Obama Ally Introduces Bill to Cap Salaries of CEOS from TARP-Receiving Companies
At the Senate today, Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., introduced legislation to cap the salaries of executives from companies that received federal bailout funds. The limit applies to salary, bonuses and stock options, and is set at the amount of money earned by the president of the United States: $400,000.
“Going forward, if you want taxpayers to help you survive, if you want the people at your financial institution to have a job tomorrow, then you’re going to have to limit everyone’s pay at your company to the same salary that the president of the United States makes,” said McCaskill, a co-chair of President Obama’s campaign. “Now once they’re off the public dole, once the taxpayers aren’t footing the bill, then it’s not as much our business what they get paid. But right now they’re on the hook to us. And they owe us something other than a fancy waste basket and $50 million jet.”
McCaskill was responding to news — first reported in The New York Times — that Wall Street executives in 2008 paid themselves $18.4 billion in bonuses — the sixth largest such raking in recorded history, according to the New York State Comptroller’s office, despite the financial sector’s abysmal year.
You can read McCaskill’s bill — the Cap Executive Officer Pay Act of 2009 — HERE.
Asked about McCaskill’s move today, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said he didn’t want to "get ahead of what the team and the president will decide to make part of the next round" of funds allocated under the Troubled Asset Relief Program funds. That said, Gibbs added that "it is very safe to assume that, when a plan is outlined for financial stability, that it will include and address executive compensation and bonuses."
President Obama found the news about the Wall Street bonuses "outrageous," Gibbs said. "I think many of you have covered him. I’ve seen him upset at times. He doesn’t really get fired-up upset. He’s more like that disappointed parent, you know, that doesn’t embarrass you in the mall, but you feel like you’ve let somebody down. So I think yesterday, when you see something like that from the president, I think you can understand that that was from his gut and that was real. Nobody begrudges people that are successful and make money. Somebody who’s running a very successful company that’s making its shareholders money and serving the American people responsibly, nobody would begrudge that happening. But when the sixth-largest year of bonuses fails in any appreciable way to match the huge losses, I think ‘outrageous’ is probably just the beginning of words one might be able to intone, particularly if we’re on TV."
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I don’t understand how companies can collapse yet pay out some of the highest bonuses in their respective histories?
Doesn’t that point to a fundamental flaw in our compensation of this line of work?
Posted by: Ryan C | January 30, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
What is this story missing?
Oh yeah, is this a complement or alternative to the bill that passed the house to retroactively take away those bonuses?
It would be nice to know something about the context, so we know if Dodd, who yesterday was parroting Obama’s criticism of CEOs, is actually going to do something about it or if he’s ducking the issue.
Posted by: Flash Override | January 30, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
Obama Ally Introduces Bill to Cap Salaries of CEOS from TARP-Receiving Companies
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Jake, shameful headline. She has a name and a title that she earned through election. Don’t be so dismissive.
Posted by: Question | January 30, 2009, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
So … according to McCaskill, anyone who is in debt to someone, loses all their rights and the person/company they owe money to can dictate to them what they can and cannot do. Isn’t this like Communism?? Send her back to Missouri, she is ridiculous!!
Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | January 30, 2009, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
I think alot of this posturing and dancing around is meant to take our eye off the prize. We need to make these folks do what they say they will do if we give them money. Right now if you said the CEO could only have say $200,000 a year with no bonus, they would find a way to add more; like have the company pay all the persons housing costs or kids tution or the wife clothes bill, its just like the tax code. You make it one way and all these smart guys figure a way to get a credit or a write-off or someway to not do what was ment. I deeply distrust all on Wall Street and banking they are from the same clothe and all can’t help being the slime balls they are.And the GOP wants it to stay this way they are bound and determined to not have change and to keep the fat cats in power. The people in Washington say one thing and do another, and I think soem want to have the rich only get out of this mess alive.
Posted by: Bonnie Kimberly | January 30, 2009, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
As Obama moves us closer to the failed policies of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR).
When is Obama going to ban religion and open up a concentration camp.
Posted by: henry | January 30, 2009, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
Guess this means that the CONGRESS should give back the pay raise they got this year for thier failures
Posted by: Vet1973 | January 30, 2009, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Vet1973… Guess this means that the CONGRESS should give back the pay raise they got this year for thier failures
Good point. Especially people that run for office while holding an elected office already.
Posted by: jet | January 30, 2009, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
Yeah… NY will love this…. since NYC gets a big percentage of its TAX income from these obscene salaries and bonuses
Posted by: Vet1973 | January 30, 2009, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Seems to me like the companies who gave out big bonuses did not care for their businesses.. They surely got a bonus too. While I am glad someone is out to put a cap on these “idiots” A freeze on wages and in some cases people who get big salaries should take automatic cuts for the good of their company also..But I don’t see congress members saying they will take a cut nor any of the others on capital hill..Something is wrong with a system where so many in the USA make only $5,000-$10,000 a year and others make hundreds of thousands a year.
Posted by: AnnD52 | January 30, 2009, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Go Claire, I voted for you, and I have known your family for years. Good, solid people. The only thing that might be better is to reduce their income for being so negligent at their jobs. They sure don’t deserve their regular salary, but certainly not any increase.
Posted by: 73toms | January 30, 2009, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
It’s hilarious to see how fast people spin on a dime; the SAME crew that spent the past 5 months blasting bailouts is sanctimoniously up-in-arms now about some accountability?
Posted by: Reality Check | January 30, 2009, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
So … according to McCaskill, anyone who is in debt to someone, loses all their rights and the person/company they owe money to can dictate to them what they can and cannot do. Isn’t this like Communism?? Send her back to Missouri, she is ridiculous!!
Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | Jan 30, 2009 5:46:02 PM
If it is OUR money footing the bill to bail them out, then by all means they should cap these salaries and bonuses. Don’t you find it appalling that we bailed these companies out and they are still giving these outrageous bonuses?
Posted by: Jwench | January 30, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Um if you are owned by the government, ie they loaned you money to save you then they can dictate your salary.
And those whole socialism/communism commnets got old once TARP was created in 2008. Now if we only did the smart thing and take our shares of “our” companies and all vote them out at the next shareholders meeting.
Posted by: ashleyskee | January 30, 2009, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
So really, these huge bonuses were paid with OUR bailout tax dollars after the CEO’s lied about profits to begin with? Wouldn’t that make us–the U.S. public who will get stuck with the tax burden on this debt– into stockholders who can then turn around and fire these CEO’s with a proxy vote?
Posted by: Lemm E. addom | January 30, 2009, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
jet | Jan 30, 2009 6:07:52 P………I was think the same thing (congress can give back their raise)!
Posted by: deanbob | January 30, 2009, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
Nice political grandstanding…..she is so tough….. hehehehehe
Posted by: Vet1973 | January 30, 2009, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
Stay focused my fellow Americans. These people are robbers and criminals. Our Congress is aiding and abetting. We the people should rise together as a nation, hire the best attorney we can find and file suit against the criminals to obtain a just settlement paid back to every working taxpayer. Our Congress should be brought to justice for aiding and abetting. Maybe a littel jail time for the white collar criminals might do them a little good. It infuriates me to demand a local ATM robber get thrown in prison for his crime, while these white collar criminals continue to get off scott free. Limit their pay? That is nonsense. A good corporation will reward good management. They managed our stolen money quite well. It was criminal what they did and they should be charged for the crime.
Posted by: clancy49 | January 30, 2009, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
Sen. Claire McCaskill is initiating a bold step to stop anyone who has taken bail out money from the tax payers from looting their companies. The last 8 years the self promoting CEOs and executives have created a bubble and mismanaged savings and investments of main street Americans and now it is time to stop the gravy train and ensure accountability otherwise they will have once again made off with millions in bonuses. In case of Ford, I think the CEO saw this coming and decided not to take a bail out for now and maybe empty the company’s treasury first and then beg Washington for funds.
Posted by: gjkotw01 | January 30, 2009, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
I heard this suggestion last night on NPR. Both economists suggested normally they wouldn’t a president touching executive compensation, but since this they received bailout money both thought it was the responsible thing to do.
They knew there would be some cries of “the best brains are leaving” and were okay with that. They thought temporarily limiting executive bonuses/salaries a prudent step. Both were okay with mid-level managers taking over. Limiting pay might begin to address the bank culture, which has been on the decline for a decade at least, maybe more.
Good point Question, perhaps Obama foe/Gibb’s confrontationalist will change it? Next time.
Posted by: Mavsreader | January 30, 2009, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
It only makes sense – if a ‘bailout’ is required to shore up the banks and loans industry and that is public money being used – then it shouldn’t be used to pay ridiculous salaries in the millions of dollars per year range. Should it?
Posted by: pefros | January 30, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
i live in ny. 40% of the taxes are paid by 1% of the population. if this sort of nonsense passes you will have to raise taxes on 60% of the population.
these politicians are complete morons who don’t understand business. how else could they be trillions of dollars in debt.
Posted by: criminsakes | January 30, 2009, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Hey, Jake,
How about having Brian Ross publish the total bonuses paid by company so we can all stop doing business with them!
These Wall Street guys are so out of touch. They see $18.9 in bonuses as their entitlement program, not as actual pay for performance as it should be.
For $18.9 billion, we could rehire 189,000 New Yorkers at $100K each.
Posted by: dennis | January 30, 2009, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
A beggar has no choice. The CEO’s must agree to our terms as the tax payers when they come looking for handout. They cannot be receivng these huge corporate welfare checks and continue living their outrageous, lavish lifestyles. Most of us are strapping.
Posted by: what667 | January 30, 2009, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
“i live in ny. 40% of the taxes are paid by 1% of the population. if this sort of nonsense passes you will have to raise taxes on 60% of the population.”
Let me get this straight.
Right wingers are upset with the concept of TARP money but fine with it going to pay bonuses?
Posted by: Ryan C | January 30, 2009, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
Cheney said no one was smart enough to see the financial crisis coming-that admission confirms what many of us suspected about GW and his cronies. Moreover, GW would still be sitting around with a glossed over empty stare not knowing what to do as the ‘sucker went down’. He was shocked to hear gas was nearing $4 a gallon. He and Paulson threw $350 billion in the air then ran. No controls, no idea whatsoever where it went. The Dems may have some screwy notions but at least they will tighten the screws and go after people cheating American citizens. They may do so good they’ll control Congress for the next 20 years.
Posted by: Brandon | January 30, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
My hat is off to the senator from the state that gave us President Harry S Truman. Too bad the CEOs in question don’t seem to understand where the buck stops or they wouldn’t have showered themselves with such outlandish bonuses.
Yes, I think it is perfectly appropriate to place restrictions on a company that seeks loans from the public. The Board of Directors for these companies can’t be counted on to set the compensation for these CEOs. In most cases it is a matter of the foxes guarding the foxes guarding the hen house with the shareholders being the ones fricasseed.
Frankly, the CEOs of companies who come seeking loans should do the honorable thing and resign. The CEO of a company for which I worked often said if he couldn’t succeed, his successor would. Maybe his attitude explains why the company remained so successful.
Posted by: Richard | January 30, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Now since the government has given banks, car companies, etc money…that gives them the right to tell there employees how much they can get paid???? I thought Obama was not a socialist…or a communist!!! Watch out people, when you get your national health care and the government nationalizes everything don’t start crying that they have to much control. The only change I am seeing is our personal freedom and liberty slowly dwindling away to government control.
Posted by: Sean | January 30, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Let it be known within shouting distance that her statements and her bill were not done without the approval of the President. Everyone is so afraid that they are beginning to accept everything comeing out of Washington(either party)without the specifics of what is being claimed. Shame on all of us. Is this the lame duck information they will be feeding us about the various stimulus and recovery packages.
Posted by: William | January 30, 2009, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
“Cheney said no one was smart enough to see the financial crisis coming-that admission confirms what many of us suspected about GW and his cronies.”
Which contradicts the whole Bush and the Republicans tried to fix this bu the Democrats would not let them BS talking point.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 30, 2009, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
I want to see someone or a team appointed to approve each and every check these banks write. All bonus money should be earned through the performance of the individual. It doesn’t look like they deserve anything except a pink slip. If I don’t see a cut in salaries the elimination of bonuses for these guys, I’ll be witholding my tax money this year.
Posted by: AmericanPie | January 30, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
And the head idiot said that “now is not the time to make a profit”, what a complete idiot. Isn’t the goal of any business to make a profit all of the time? As has been said before on this thread the idiots in DC have no understanding of business because they have NEVER been in a position where they had to make payroll or a profit to have a business which could sustain itself. God they will totally ruin this country in the next four years. Welcome to the Union of Socialist States of America!
Posted by: Bruce | January 30, 2009, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
“As has been said before on this thread the idiots in DC have no understanding of business because they have NEVER been in a position where they had to make payroll or a profit to have a business which could sustain itself.”
Because “real” business man lie about losses and overleverage themselves on risky ventures then when said ventures collapse they seek a government bailout.
Hey for that kind of swindle they deserve their billions in bonuses!
God the right wing makes me sick with what the justify.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 30, 2009, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
Sen. Claire McCaskill complains about the bonuses given away. What about the 1 TRILLION she and Obama want to give/throw away(most of it anyway)?
Posted by: deanbob | January 30, 2009, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
“no – i’m not a right winger – and i’m against both. big government is not the answer. which is what started this. barney frank and the agenda to expand loaning money to people who can’t afford to pay it back – followed by people who lent it (forced to) by the government.”
Claims of non partisanship ring quite hollow when followed by right wing economic dogma and snipes at 1 party.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 30, 2009, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
Posted by: Ryan C | Jan 30, 2009 6:51:33 PM……….It is not only inaccurate, but unfair to say (ALL) “”real” business man lie about losses and overleverage themselves on risky ventures then when said ventures collapse they seek a government bailout.
” . When are FRANK and Dodd and Chucky going to give back the bonuses they got from Fannie and Freddie?
Posted by: deanbob | January 30, 2009, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
vET193 wrote: “Guess this means that the CONGRESS should give back the pay raise they got this year for thier failures”
… you have a point there! Where are the Congress and the Senate taking responsibility? They gave themselves raises while the economy tanked and they did nothing to stop it!!
Posted by: Cassandra Washington | January 30, 2009, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
“i live in ny. 40% of the taxes are paid by 1% of the population. if this sort of nonsense passes you will have to raise taxes on 60% of the population.
these politicians are complete morons who don’t understand business. how else could they be trillions of dollars in debt.”
So let me get this straight, a country of 300M should subsidize the whole state of Ny’s economy because that’s just the way it’s always been done, yeah that’s why people are mad.
And seriously I am finding the argument that’s just the way it’s done really really old and done.
Posted by: ashleyskee | January 30, 2009, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
“It is not only inaccurate, but unfair to say (ALL) “”real” business man lie about losses and overleverage themselves on risky ventures then when said ventures collapse they seek a government bailout.”
That’s why real is in quotations there genius.
It was sarcasm.
Real businessmen don’t rip off their investors and their government then cry when their bonuses are limited.
But apparently right winger hate TARP money unless its going to pay off bonuses. Must be some bizarro ayn rand catch 22.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 30, 2009, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
ashley -
no – on the contrary – the top 1% of ny taxpayers pay 40% of the taxes. which means – they are subsidizing the the 50% who pay nothing. business as usual is only half he country pays income taxes.
Posted by: criminisakes | January 30, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Where was this idea when the vote was being made as to whether they would lend the money in the first place? Are we trying to close the proverbial doors after the horses have escaped and run with reckless abandonment? As for you who are crying wolf over the thought of this being socialism or communism, answer me this. If this was a loan you were making (sound familiar yet?…cuz it’s your money folks!)to say, a child or other relative, would it not upset you if the money you loaned went to something along the lines of a big screen tv or something stupid like a hotel suite with dancing girls? YES Damn right it would. Where does this particular situation differ? I like the responsibility that is attached to the loans and the way it may persuade the weak to go away. Obviously a majority of those who have benefited from these loans this far are exactly that… WEAK. Let the weak ones wither and be bought out. Serves them right after the CEO’s, CFO’s COO’s schlepped their unearned bonuses into a big bank account, which BTW is probably not even being banked in the USA (for personal protection) and thus makes this situation that much less palatable. What an ugly, ugly situation. Go get ‘em boys and girls. Go get ‘em.
Posted by: Yeah, sure... OK!!! - NOT | January 30, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Good. Their salaries should be capped, at least. The simple fact is that if the company is tanking, they aren’t doing the job they are so supposedly expert at doing.
Posted by: jamesx | January 30, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
WOW we are all so damn intelligent that we know the answers . yup were all politicians here i guess . bottom line is things have to change one way or the other . so we cry about Obama being elected , we cry about Bush . we cry about socialism . bonuses . the blue hair on the fat old lady on the corner. so does no one have any super duper intelligent idea’s on how to actually be heard and listened to about these concernes ? or do we sit here and throw silly comments back and forth on how the country needs to be ran !
Posted by: future_road_worker | January 30, 2009, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
There’d be no BAILOUTs if the LIBs had voted according to their constitents wishes. Now they want more. Hopefully, they’ll listen to voer 250 economists who say: “To improve the economy, policymakers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth.”
Posted by: deanbob | January 30, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
criminisakes
which is why I believe in consumption tax so everyone can pay as they go, no loopholes, no not paying because you don’t feel like it. No IRS, see smaller gov’t too.
Posted by: ashleyskee | January 30, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
I’d like to see Obama do something he promised he’d do – Go thru each bill line by line and cut out the pork.
Posted by: deanbob | January 30, 2009, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
ashley -
agree.
Posted by: criminysakes | January 30, 2009, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
“Hopefully, they’ll listen to voer 250 economists who says”
Bush listened to the CATO institute and we see where that got us.
Posted by: Ryan C | January 30, 2009, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
These rabid jackals should be tried in Federal Court,and repay every dollar they’ve STOLEN.I’m sure obtaining grants and loans under false pretenses,and lying to Congress is still a crime? The 750 Billion given to them by Bush in Sept.08 was regarded as a “Going Away Present”. The common citizen would be buried under the nearest prison,and these “Princes of Wall Street” deserves the same,if not worse.
Posted by: Sharon W | January 30, 2009, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
“which is why I believe in consumption tax so everyone can pay as they go, no loopholes, no not paying because you don’t feel like it. No IRS, see smaller gov’t too.”
You want to turn businesses into the county’s sole tax collector?
Are you insane?
Posted by: Ryan C | January 30, 2009, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
That should read country not county
Posted by: Ryan C | January 30, 2009, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
We could get our money back and then some. Most aren’t going to like this– we nationalize the banks. Right now these same banks are not loaning out money they are hoarding money. This is bad. The execs use the TARP money for bonuses and salary even though these same execs caused much of our troubles. If WE own the banks we can start loaning money and fire these execs. We collect a portion of the profits for X number of years and when WE have been PAID BACK PLUS INTEREST we privatize and get out of the banking business. Please don’t give me the line that the Gov. is incompetent and the private sector always does things better. We now know that large parts of the private sector are at the least incompetent and at the worst CRIMINAL!
Posted by: Lee | January 30, 2009, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Businesses are already collecting sales taxes for the states.?
Posted by: deanbob | January 30, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
I totally agree with this bill and I believe that it is necessary. Of course the point of any business is to make a profit but if your business is about to fail and you come to the government for a financial injection does not warrant the CEO’s a bonus for getting a handout from the government. Let’s look at this issue on a micro level. You are the project manager for a very important program within your company. You go to your boss and ask your boss for an increase in your budget because you had some cost overruns (No matter the cause) and it is way behind shedule. Then you turn around and give yourself a bonus with the same money you supposed to be using or could be using to get your project back on track. What do you think YOUR boss would say to you. I don’t think it would be GREAT JOB! It would be more “YOUR FIRED!!”
Should these CEO’s receive the benefit of the doubt. I don’t think so. THEY ARE FIRED!!
Give the job to someone within their company who is hungry for the position and have ideas to carry the company into to the future and grow the business with the 400,000 LIMITS.
Hell let me run GM for 400,000 a year. I have some ideas of how to invest the money to develop better car designs, engine technology and bring it to market. Then when my company is back on track and I paid the government back the money we owe. You better believe I want 10 million a year and a 20 million dollar bonus for all of the hard work to turn the company around.
I think it is quite reasonable and if they don’t agree those CEO’s have a choices: accept government agreements, step aside let someone else do their jobs or don’t accept and go at it on your own.
Posted by: Will5ight4u | January 30, 2009, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
Hey you loud mouthed congress woman I agree with you but what about capping the IDIOT Congress Representatives pay. What the heck have they done for us???
Posted by: Karl | January 30, 2009, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
We had the chance in November to remove those Congress people who ignored 89 of the voters and voted YES on the BAILOUT. I voted against those who voted yes.
Posted by: deanbob | January 30, 2009, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Why would anyone want to reward a CEO for failing to do his job and keeping his company from needing Government assistance? DUH!!
Posted by: Stan Still | January 30, 2009, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
these politicians are complete morons who don’t understand business. how else could they be trillions of dollars in debt. Posted by: criminsakes | Jan 30, 2009 6:36:37 PM ***** Although I generally agree with your premise that politicians are morons, that has nothing to do with whether or not those who have great power due to great wealth are ALSO MORONS. If not, how else did their companies fail to the point of needing government bailout?
Posted by: tiredgirlie | January 30, 2009, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
BTW, the argument that outrageous compensation packages are “required” just cannot hold water anymore. The strongest argument for obscene compensation was that it was needed to keep the best talent. Obviously, if your company requires tax dollars to stay afloat, it couldn’t hurt to have the geniuses responsible for your company’s woes work for a competitor, now could it?
Posted by: tiredgirlie | January 30, 2009, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
It sounds like a few stockholder lawsuits are in order. Let’s start with the incompetent Boards of Directors, who basically have been getting paid for nothing. Then, let’s recover some of the money paid to the senior staff at failing companies. Let’s not forget any former CEOs who are now “consultants”, like Ed Zander, formerly of Motorola, who is getting paid too much for too little. Get some money back AND a little jail time for fraud would get some clearer compensation policies that would truly pay only for positive performance, not the phony goals that ensure rich payouts for executives of publicly traded companies in decline.
Posted by: DadR | January 30, 2009, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
These CEOs are working for us (as tax payers) and we should be able to decide how much they receive in salary. The old theory that if they don’t get compensated they’ll go some where else is fine-let them go and see if they can get it. In the meantime they should be rewarded by what they earn – not what they think they’re worth.
Posted by: Terry | January 30, 2009, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
BRAVO MCCASKILL!…B R A V O !!!!
THESE OBNOXIOUS CEO’S ARE CROOKS WITH FANCY TITLES. IS THE AMERICAN DREAM TO STEAL FROM THE POOR AND GIVE TO THE CROOKED RICH? I THINK NOT!…SHAME ON THESE BOZOS.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!…THEY WILL KILL THE USA IF WE LET THEM.
JOESOSA
Posted by: Joe Sosa | January 30, 2009, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
Girlie – agree also. There are morons in business. But that doesn’t mean you give the fed authority to wipe out the entire system.
Posted by: criminysakes | January 30, 2009, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
There are corrupt business people. But capitalism shouldn’t be replaced by government, socialism, or redistribution of wealth. There are plenty of currupt politicians – maybe the private sector should run chicago for example.
Posted by: criminysakes | January 30, 2009, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
YES!!! FINALLY!!!! If a company makes a profit….the CEO deserves a bonus! If the company fails….they deserve to be paid but NO BONUS!!!!!! This is how small business’ work…this is how big business should work. A bonus is for GOOD work.
Posted by: Lisa Maxwell | January 30, 2009, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
Girlie – agree also. There are morons in business. But that doesn’t mean you give the fed authority to wipe out the entire system. Posted by: criminysakes
*******
Criminy – Hey, hyperbole’s fun, but this is serious. There’s nothing in this suggestion which would “wipe out the entire system.” If you think her idea’s not so great, fine. You think because it’s a private business the compensation decisions need to remain within the business structure? How can that be squared with them taking such HUGE cash infusions from taxpayers?
Posted by: tiredgirlie | January 30, 2009, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
*** ORIGINAL RESPONSE ***
There are corrupt business people. But capitalism shouldn’t be replaced by government, socialism, or redistribution of wealth. There are plenty of currupt politicians – maybe the private sector should run chicago for example.
*** MY RESPONSE ****
OHHH HEELLL NAAAWWW!!! Chicago would be rubble if this current situation could be used as a indicator for how the private sector would govern. Have you lost your marbles?…
Anyway, I don’t anyone in America wants a socialist or communistic style government. If I provide value to the company, quality and a high producer. I want to be paid the big bucks. Those who don’t perform well should be done away with like the dinosaur.
That’s why I say the big 3 should have failed and someone should encourage google and Microsoft to make cars. Well GOOGLE anyway.. Microsoft cars would require alot of repairs after the initial purchase. Ha!!! LMAO…
Just playing I like Microsoft’s OS because it evolves just like UNIX but in a different path and method.
Posted by: Will5ight4u | January 30, 2009, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
I’m equally upset with House of Representatives stimulus package. All that pork added is equally as outrageous to me. Shame on Congress and Wall Street. I feel as an American citizen that I have been had.
Posted by: Susan Grambley | January 30, 2009, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
But capitalism shouldn’t be replaced by government, socialism, or redistribution of wealth. Posted by: criminysakes
**********
What kind of capitalism has the captains of industry turn to taxpayers for cash? If anything, it’s Wall Street that’s been begging for capitalism to be “replaced.”
Posted by: tiredgirlie | January 30, 2009, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
But capitalism shouldn’t be replaced by government, socialism, or redistribution of wealth. Posted by: criminysakes
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What kind of capitalism has the captains of industry turn to taxpayers for cash? If anything, it’s Wall Street that’s been begging for capitalism to be “replaced.”
*** WILL5IGHT’S RESPONSE ***
Tellem Girlie!!!! Ha!!
Down with wall Street!!
Up with Main Street!!!
Down with Wall Street!!
Up with Main Street!!!
Down with Wall Street!!
(Repeating Chant in Protest)
Posted by: Will5ight4u | January 30, 2009, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
The idea of capping compensation as a prerequisite for Federal assistance sounds good on paper, but will fail miserably. The executives will refuse the bailout money, collect their guaranteed salaries and bonuses, and let the company fail and take the employees with it. The unemployees can then vent all they want about crooked bosses but it won’t change the fact that their jobs are gone. Also, why should the salaries be arbitrarily capped at what the President of the United States makes? The jurisdiction of the President ends at the US border. Corporations and their executives operate worldwide and in some ways affect people more than any government does.
Posted by: Publius | January 30, 2009, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Serious Note!!
There has been some disturbing reports increasing about the number of murder-suicides being committed. To those who have lost your jobs.
I know this is easy to say but hard to do but
“DONT GIVE UP!! and DON’T GIVE IN TO DESPAIR!!” There is a way out. “Just believe!!”
Posted by: Will5ight4u | January 30, 2009, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
**** ORIGINAL POST ****
The idea of capping compensation as a prerequisite for Federal assistance sounds good on paper, but will fail miserably. The executives will refuse the bailout money, collect their guaranteed salaries and bonuses, and let the company fail and take the employees with it. The unemployees can then vent all they want about crooked bosses but it won’t change the fact that their jobs are gone. Also, why should the salaries be arbitrarily capped at what the President of the United States makes? The jurisdiction of the President ends at the US border. Corporations and their executives operate worldwide and in some ways affect people more than any government does.
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Then what is the role of the Board of Directors if they allow that to happen; especially, for the investments made by their stockholders? They should fire the CEO and get someone within the organization they feel have the capability and tenacity to turn the company around.
Posted by: Will5ight4u | January 30, 2009, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
Yes yes yes yes. By all means do it. All CEOS ought to be capped like in Japan. only so many times their lowest salary or average blue collar salary. there is zero restraint amongst the paid off boards so mandate it.
Posted by: richard warren | January 30, 2009, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
BTW…
Current CEO’s are not the only smart individuals in this country. Board of Directors need to get off their lazy bums and do their jobs by finding the talent with the capability and tenacity to turn their company around.
Posted by: Will5ight4u | January 30, 2009, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
They should freeze under performing CEO’s, CFO, and etc. at $400,000 or even less. If their company is in the red something went wrong and not right to warrant bonuses. As long as they are taking taxpayer money they need to be under taxpayer rules and regulations for the “use” of our money. Banks do it to us, they are no better than us to be put under the same “guidelines to getting the money paid back to the lender.”
Posted by: Pati | January 30, 2009, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
Pfft. CEO’s? At least they provide jobs. How about capping Congress’ pay to $1 per year until they actually do the people’s work instead of enriching themselves at our expense? Oh, and Pelosi can fly commercial instead of her cushy Gulfstream. We all need to sacrifice, Nancy! Let’s start with you.
Posted by: Carl | January 30, 2009, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm
try this board of directors pay high wages for hourly people lower and freeze wages for ceo,s and watch your profits soar.
Posted by: T | January 30, 2009, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
As a Republican, I actually agree with Obama on this one. The only concern I have is that the CEO’s of these companies won’t stay long and there’s no guarantee that a good one will take that job at such a “low” salary. This may force these companies to go under.
Posted by: BT | January 30, 2009, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Now, here’s an idea whose time has come! Since the financial industry failures begged for and received taxpayer money (when they should have been left to fail and received no bonus as a consequence)they have become, among other things, government contractors subject to wage ceilings imposed by the government. I don’t know of any other government contract that allows such as exorbitant salary as the $ 400,000 alluded to by the senator from Missouri, but it certainly is a step in the right direction. However, for the government to allow these failed financial institutions to continue to operate, they should issue arrest warrants for their capture and deny them their freedom until they return their illegal bonus money to the United States Treasury.
Posted by: John Locke | January 30, 2009, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Cap salaries for all executives..and while we are at it. Limit the number of kids that welfare moms can have. Why not, the rest of us who are not on welfare HAVE TO, or HAD TO limit the size of our family…
Posted by: AEW | January 30, 2009, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
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Cap salaries for all executives..and while we are at it. Limit the number of kids that welfare moms can have. Why not, the rest of us who are not on welfare HAVE TO, or HAD TO limit the size of our family…
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Can one individual or the government be allowed to dictate who has the right to bare or amount of children and who does not. Is this not the United States of America and not China.
America need to unleash its innovative and explorative spirits to deal with these current situations.
Lets be like the Bald Eagle. Let’s spread our wings and fly toward new horizons with courage in our hearts and faith as the wind that will carry us into a brighter tomorrow.
Posted by: Will5ight4u | January 30, 2009, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
This is fantastic! This will be the last time Wall Street will ask for the tax payer’s help! Bring on the restrictions and see corporate America fleeing from Washington!
Posted by: Nathan | January 30, 2009, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Way to go Senator McCaskill!
Apparently these CEOs are so disconnected from what’s really going on with the rest of the country… Almost like it really doesn’t concern them.
For all their apparent wealth, they seem to lack enough good common sense.
Posted by: braith morgan | January 30, 2009, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Legislator who haven;t done a bit of hard work in their lives shouldn’t be telling people who run major corporations how to do their job. Granted you can’t take govt funds and then pay out bonuses for a job well done. But the board of directors are the ones that set compensation. Some of these legislators should try to solve business problems. So by setting an artifical limit, some institutions may not take the money from the govt. Sure some of these execs have an entitlement attitude very similar to our legislators. But when your business is not doing well, you don’t get a bonus. That was the problem.
Posted by: jschmidt | January 30, 2009, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
carl – great post. Maybe Obama can donate some the money he raised for the election to the cause. Maybe all the candidates can do that. Hey we all have to give something. Pelosi flying coach between 2 heavy people- that’s some picture.
Posted by: jschmidt | January 30, 2009, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
Capping CEO salaries is communism. If you commies want this sort of crap why are you going after CEOs? Why not start with Hollywood? Also after your new Treasury Secretary pays his back-taxes you need to get him to donate his $500K bonus to Greater Socialism.
Posted by: Jon Samuel | January 30, 2009, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
Obama also said today that ‘This is not the right time for Profits’. How clueless is this guy?
Posted by: Alexandra | January 30, 2009, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Here is what is in the STIMULUS PACKAGE, which looks more like Spending. Spending and nothing but Spending. Can you spell HYPERINFLATION?
$1 billion for Amtrak, which hasn’t earned a profit in four decades.
$2 billion to help subsidize child care.
$400 million for research into global warming.
$2.4 billion for projects to demonstrate how carbon greenhouse gas can be safely removed from the atmosphere.
$650 million for coupons to help consumers convert their TV sets from analog to digital, part of the digital TV conversion.
$600 million to buy a new fleet of cars for federal employees and government departments.
$75 million to fund programs to help people quit smoking.
$21 million to re-sod the National Mall, which suffered heavy use during the Inauguration.
$2.25 billion for national parks. This item has sparked calls for an investigation, because the chief lobbyist of the National Parks Association is the son of Rep. David R. Obey, D-Wisc. The $2.25 billion is about equal to the National Park Service’s entire annual budget. The Washington Times reports it is a threefold increase over what was originally proposed for parks in the stimulus bill. Obey is chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.
$335 million for treatment and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts. $4.19 billion to stave off foreclosures via the Neighborhood Stabilization Program. The bill allows nonprofits to compete with cities and states for $3.44 billion of the money, which means a substantial amount of it will be captured by ACORN, the controversial activist group currently under federal investigation for vote fraud. Another $750 million would be exclusively reserved for nonprofits such as ACORN meaning cities and states are barred from receiving that money. Sen. David Vitter, R-La., charges the money could appear to be a “payoff” for the partisan political activities community groups in the last election cycle.
$44 million to renovate the headquarters building of the Agriculture Department.
$32 billion for a “smart electricity grid to minimize waste.
$87 billion of Medicaid funds, to aid states.
$53.4 billion for science facilities, high speed Internet, and miscellaneous energy and environmental programs.
$13 billion to repair and weatherize public housing, help the homeless, repair foreclosed homes.
$20 billion for quicker depreciation and write-offs for equipment.
$10.3 billion for tax credits to help families defray the cost of college tuition.
$20 billion over five years for an expanded food stamp program.
Republican leaders say the stimulus package will add 32 new government programs at a cost of $136 billion. They object that many of the programs, once established, are likely to continue indefinitely.
Most media outlets are reporting the cost of the package at $819 billion. As Newsmax revealed yesterday, however, the Congressional Budget Office calculates that the interest on the debt generated by the bill’s spending will cost another $347.1 billion, making the total cost approximately $1.17 trillion.
Posted by: STIMULUS PACAGE THAT WILL NOT CREATE JOBS | January 30, 2009, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
I hate that billions are being paid to executives of failing companies. The same companies that are laying off thousands to help pay those bonuses. ———————————— I’ve said for years that our values system is screwed up when atheletes, movies stars, singers, writers and artists among others are paid millions while teachers, firemen and policemen have to beg for a 1-2% raise. And now they are being laid off or having their hours cut. —————————————— That said, I don’t think there is a way to write a law to fix the situation. In a free society, even with govt. investment, I just don’t see how you can write a law that is able to cover the situation. ———————————– I don’t honestly think that anyone is really serious about passing such a law. This is a warning shot. A way of warning companies that they are walking a fine line and thumbing their nose at decency is the wrong tack to take if they want our help.
Posted by: OB-Wan222 | January 30, 2009, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
The capping of salaries and bonuses on companies that RECEIVE TARP MONEY is *NOT* communism you FOOLS. These caps are temporary requirements on companies that are getting billions of PUBLIC funds because their idiot management teams were too STUPID and GREEDY to keep the companies profitable and instead leveraged themselves 40-1 into the hole.
And to the person who is worried about “hyperinflation”. Study some economics, for just 10 minutes. The US is on the verge of a DEFLATIONARY spiral and it needs HYPERINFLATION to ensure the economy doesn’t implode.
Posted by: Eric | January 30, 2009, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
All of these folks being laid off have families. And they can rake in big bonuses.
Is this America? Is this Patriotism?
If the CEO’s could not see this coming? Do they deserve six/seven/even digit bonuses?
And the Republican’s feel that this is OK. Folks can loose their house but wall street must be insulated with layers and layers of bailout money so what…. fat cats can get their bonuses.
Sickening
The statue of liberty just threw her torch in the hudson.
Posted by: Omentum | January 30, 2009, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
Obama announces the closing of GITMO with no plan to deal with the terrorists. He announces restriction on hiring of lobbyists, then promptly hires 2, he hires a treasury secretary who cheated on his taxes for 4 years, then he announces support for unionization when every unionized business has moved overseas from cars, electronics goods, steel manufacturing, and shipbuilding. No he wants a pork loaded “bail-out ” bill which does nothing for employment but does a great job of financing welfare. Basically , Obama is a complete and utter screw-up.
Posted by: Brian | January 30, 2009, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
If you cap the bonuses of everyone at these companies, they will lose all of their talent (researchers, analysts, traders, portfolio managers, etc) and the firm will completely fail.
Why keep prolonging the inevitable, put the banks out of their misery and let’s get on with it already.
Is the end game to draw this situation out as long and painful as possible, because that’s how it’s starting to appear.
Posted by: Baywatch | January 30, 2009, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
The crooks on wall street should be in handcuffs and orange jumpsuits along with most of our elected officials who were greased.
Posted by: James Villa | January 30, 2009, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
Hell keep the politicians and their regulation out of it, thats what got us into it when Clinton revised the rules on home loans. “Want favorable government approval when you want to make a company decision, make loans to folks who really can’t afford them”, then have Fannie and Freddie buy the troubled loans, repackacge them with good loans and sell them to wall street. It was a ticking time bomb and Frank and Dodd kept saying that there was nothing wrong even when oversight group waas questioning the actions. Who made money? Obama was #2 and his buddy Franklin Raines cooked the books to make sure that he got a huge bonus. Government can’t even run Social Security and Medicare (theyv’e only had decades to try). Just let the banks decide if you qualify for a loan or not, it worked until the rules were changed during Clinton’s turn at the helm.
Posted by: Bruce | January 30, 2009, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
Why is this being considered now? There was NEVER any doubt in anyones mind what would happen. Isn’t this like reducing the Titanics speed AFTER we hit the iceberg. I swear, I could go to any cemetery and find people making better decisions than our leaders; AND THEIR DEAD!!! God needs to step in. We need a real leader for a change. I vote for me. Asleep, I make better decisions.
Posted by: Roy Savary | January 30, 2009, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
One way would be to have term limits, at least we will get rid of the career politicians who have never worked for a real wage a day in their life and thus have no idea as to how to run a business. The term for the President was set several years ago at 2 terms (8 years). I think that a Senator should also be 2 terms (12 years) and Representatives should be 3 terms (6 years). This will keep new fresh minds in congress instead of what we have now which is in a rut so deep that they cannot see the world around them.
Posted by: Bruce | January 30, 2009, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Hurrah for Senator McCaskill!! Just think, the waste basket, drapes and a few other knicknacks might have paid off my mortgage. CEO’s who allow failure of their company should be embarassed to collect a check at all, and accepting one with more than 6 digits should be considered obscene. Don’t they have a conscience? It sure isn’t evident if you spend $28,000 on drapes and $19,000 on a wastebasket while children are going to school hungry. This is so unAmerican and to have the Republicans in the Senate actually stand up for these creeps is just so…well, it is just so “George Bush-like”.
Posted by: Gorgegirl4 | January 30, 2009, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Bruce posted: “One way would be to have term limits, at least we will get rid of the career politicians who have never worked for a real wage a day in their life and thus have no idea as to how to run a business.”
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Bruce, this is NOT about term limits. CEO’s are not a public servant, but if they are accepting bailout from the American people, we should be able to require certain conditions.
We have term limits – they are called ELECTIONS. In case you didn’t notice the past couple elections, some representatives of the people had forgotten they actually represented the people and not BIG BUSINESS and they were ousted. THAT is term limits.
Posted by: Gorgegirl4 | January 30, 2009, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
I think this is a great decision and I’m proud that we have a president that is finally doing something about the greedy and disgusting CEO’s. I work for a small company that gross’s over 20 million a year, only has 25 employees, and everyone is paid under 40 grand annually. The people that run these businesses are taken advantage of and mistreated, and I’m happy to finally see some justice.
Posted by: Shawna | January 30, 2009, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Which one of Obama’s recent picks got a $5,000,000.00 “severance ” package??? Hmmmmmmmmm……I guess the salary cap only applies to certain people.
Posted by: socialism101 | January 30, 2009, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
Baywatch posted: “If you cap the bonuses of everyone at these companies, they will lose all of their talent (researchers, analysts, traders, portfolio managers, etc) and the firm will completely fail.”
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Something tells me that there is lots of talent out there willing to take less than $83 million a year and would have more personal integrity than to order his office redone for $1 Million while receiving bailout money because of his mismanagement of the company..
Posted by: Gorgegirl4 | January 30, 2009, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
New York would not hurt tax wise if the CEO were not paid their bonuses those bonuses should go to the hard working people that have enabled them to receive them.. their employees… they pay more taxes then the CEO,S and certainly do not have airplanes that take them out of the country so they can spend their money on lavish trips and homes all over the world.. get real this is a good idea to make CEO,S work for their money just like the rest of us ..who live here and pay high taxes
Posted by: champion1 | January 30, 2009, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
As to baywatchs comment all I have to say is if they were so talented why are they now bankrupt and stealing my money to give themselves pay rasies and continue to further damage there companies and then just probibly leave which is there plan at the end of all this im sure. The american people should be outraged and if they werent such lazy sheep should be taking control of there government like the founding fathers intended. They wanted the government in the hands of the people not the hands of rich and powerful CEOs
Posted by: getsmart | January 31, 2009, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Hey Gorgegirl how about 150 million for Obamas inaugaration? to me its no different both very out of line.
Posted by: James Villa | January 31, 2009, 12:07 am 12:07 am
Gorgegirl4 – The politicians are a large part of the problem, if they kept their fingers out of it the system will correct itself. It was their medling with the Community Reinvestment Act on Clinton’s watch which started it all. Some how they thought that the constitution said that every one had to have a house instead of that everyone had the right to work hard and if they had enough money they could buy a house. Some of the firms would have gone under but in the end we would be better off. There is not a person in charge in DC who could pour p**s out of a bottle even if the directions were written on the bottom of the boot.
Posted by: Bruce | January 31, 2009, 12:35 am 12:35 am
James your right thats a lot of money yes. But its not like they spent it on luxuries for him. That money when to a lot of different things that they had to have because of how many people were there. Like more police and not just security there but surrounding areas. Extra EMS just in case things like that add up and you have to spend the money on that stuff because not to would be putsing people at risk.
Posted by: getsmart | January 31, 2009, 12:42 am 12:42 am
Sen. Claire McCaskill has made government accountability the focus of her Senate goals. She has only been a senator since 2007.
Shortly after her election, she publicly spoke out against earmarks and refused to ask for any earmarks. The initial response was attacks by Republican Senator Kit Bond and Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-MO) for not doing what was best for Missouri. Cleaver – everyone does it. The media picked up on the story. After her interviews with major media, the Congressional attacks against Claire stopped. Her statements resulted in a major emphasis on earmarks.
On the senate floor, Claire noted that a bill included a Nancy Pelosi earmark for salmon. Many people thought the move was career damaging, but it was not.
Claire took considerable heat from Emily’s List for supporting Obama rather than Hillary Clinton.
She had a long and successful career in Missouri. She was the State Auditor for many years. She was also the first woman Prosecuting Attorney in Jackson County (Kansas City).
Claire will also speak out when she does not agree with Obama. From what I read, it is not certain that Obama knew about her bill in advance.
A few days ago she made a non-committal answer about the Stimulus Bill. She has one of the highest records for voting against her party.
Posted by: Julie | January 31, 2009, 12:44 am 12:44 am
1. John Thain remodelled his office, two conference rooms, and the receptionist area – $1.2mm in NY for the remodel of a company that handled (at the time) $3 TRILLION in assets is nothing. Oh, and that was in 2007 – before anyone even know what TARP was.
2. Wall St. firms pay their salaried employees fairly low wages; for instance, my salary is $45,000. I received about a $10,000 (of which 40% was taken in taxes) bonus for measureable goals and settings. I achieved goals set by the company for me, therefore I was compensated for it. I work in wealth management, the only part of any firm that was profitable. Why should my channel and coworkers be penalized for investment bankers mistakes?
3. Regarding leaving for more money elsewhere? If I hadn’t gotten my bonus, I would have most likely gone to an independant firm for more money up front with bonus potential. However, the benefits wouldn’t be as good because it’s a small firm.
4. If you don’t truly understand how something works, look into it, figure it out, and then comment. The bonuses go to the middle class employees of the companies. The average is higher due to management bonuses, but most executives (John Thain included) DID NOT TAKE BONUSES.
I wish ABC would report facts.
Posted by: WallStPeon | January 31, 2009, 12:52 am 12:52 am
One other comment: do you want me to give my bonus back? I think not – if you think you’re paying for my bonus, fine, but that’s the least of our problems if we give an entire state $45 billion dollars for being foolish.
Posted by: WallStPeon | January 31, 2009, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Everyone that complaining about the stimulus package really ####### me off. These are the same people that praise Bush even though he gave wall street 700 billion dollars, your tax money so that they could give themselves bonuses and spa trips and then lay off thousands of people to shore up there bottom line. The money the people of the united states that the Bush swindled us out of and gave to them was suppose to save those jobs. But instead it went right into the CEOs pockets. citi group had to have 25 billion or they would go under and thousands of jobs would be lost. So they get it and use the money to pay 5 billion in bonuses to there execs and the rest to buy up other failing banks. Then then promply cut 158,000 jobs the next day. Two days later the same company told the government that if you dont give us another 25 billion we are going to sell ourselves to the saudi’s. Thats right people thats your tax dollars hard at work for you. Bush and these execs and CEO should all get the death penalty for treason.
Posted by: getsmart | January 31, 2009, 1:00 am 1:00 am
Just let the banks go out of business. Who needs them!
Posted by: so what | January 31, 2009, 1:08 am 1:08 am
Bravo, my president is on his game, and hire’s the right people for the job. Them dump repub’s get on my last nerve. They complain about evey damn thing, with the murder-suicide rate at a high due to the lost of so many jobs, the conservative or should I say them dump repub’s don’t give a crap about anyone losing there jobs. And Rush & Hannity, them sleeze bags need to shut the hell up. They are sitting on there high horse, spewing hate daily and nothing is being said about the crap they are dishing out. How in the hell do they know anything about the poor, or for that matter the middle class, shut up Rush & Hannity get off the damn air waves already…..
Posted by: wane | January 31, 2009, 1:22 am 1:22 am
“Just let the banks go out of business. Who needs them!”
The US. You. Businesses.
the AIG “spa” trip had already been paid for, again, prior to any sort of melt down.
The bailouts are all loans. The US government OWNS 35% of Bank of America stock, which means when dividends are paid, they will get dividends. They also are getting interest on a $45 billion LOAN. These are loans, it’s not money simply given. It will be paid back, eventually. The US government will make out nicely on these deals – the tax payer, not so much.
With that being said, yes, you should be angry about the waste and excesses, but you need to fully understand the situation before spouting off. I’m more concerned about the waste and excesses of congress than I am of formerly private companies.
One last thought: when you take a business loan from a bank, do you let them determine what percent of the profits you take? Hmm…I didn’t think so. Do you pay the loan payments with interst? Yes. Do you still buy yourself a Mercedes? Maybe, if business is good. Do you see my point? The government has no place in private companies, even if they have LOANED billions in taxpayer money.
Posted by: WallStPeon | January 31, 2009, 1:25 am 1:25 am
Ah yes, Wane, none of this is your fault, or the democrats, it’s ALLL the republicans and Bush’s fault. Yup. Tem and them only. Why don’t you Google Penny Pritzker and subprime mortgages? In case you don’t know who she is, she raised a lot of money for Obama. Yes, it’s ALL the Republican’s fault.
Posted by: WallStPeon | January 31, 2009, 1:26 am 1:26 am
Its about time somebody does something with these Arrogrant Corrupt over educated CEOs, Enough is Enough !!!!!!!Their outright Pathetic and an utter Disgrace to this Country, their Communities, and the Employees they should be serving !!! They set a poor Example, and so do those who sit on the Board of Directors anymore !!
Posted by: JetRanger | January 31, 2009, 2:32 am 2:32 am
It is obvious what is happening. Obama’s new govt is using this financial crisis to slide socialism under the door – meanwhile all the crackpot liberals are clap-clap-clapping their liberty away.
Posted by: Socialist Fools | January 31, 2009, 2:36 am 2:36 am
This is good! Their salaries should be capped! In fact they should be cut! Maybe their companies wouldn’t be in so much financial trouble if they didn’t pay their executives so much! The companies should also sell all of their jets and company owned limos and make their executives use commercial airlines when they travel and pay their travel expenses themselves! They should also stop paying for the luxury vacations that their executives take at their company’s expense! If they would do all of that maybe they wouldn’t have to beg the government for more money! In fact the government shouldn’t give them another penny until do all of that! I will never forget the ceo’s from GM, Ford, and Chrysler flying into Washington in company owned jets and then arriving at the capitol building in chauffer driven limos and wearing expensive tailored suits, to ask for money! That took nerve! I guess they just didn’t think anyone would notice how they got there! THEY WERE WRONG!
Posted by: James | January 31, 2009, 3:30 am 3:30 am
Obama what about the Basketball players are their bounses going to be cut? Nike gives Jamal 20 million dollars but pay’s 12 year old longduckdong $2 a day to make a jordon shoe.
Posted by: Lou | January 31, 2009, 3:36 am 3:36 am
Oh yeah, that’s it Obama and flunky’s….cap the Ceo’s salary so companies are stuck with Ceo’s as bad as Obama who know nothing.
Why not try something half way intelligent………automatic seizure of assets and jail time for corrupt Ceo’s and POLITICIANS.
Posted by: chattyway | January 31, 2009, 4:04 am 4:04 am
First of all, to the guy who said this is socialism, I disagree. This is ensuring that we, the taxpayer, get our money back and that it’s not spent on sky-high CEO salaries, private jets, bonus’, etc. I personally think that it’s a good idea to put caps on salaries when government money is being used to help the company survive this crisis. CEOs need to see the handwriting on the wall and scale back voluntarily! Laying off half your staff is not the ONLY solution to survival. Everyone has a part to play and it starts at the top. The problem is, these bozos and their accountants will certainly figure out a way to get their money out of the company all the while pretending to have a salary cap. On another note, Obama should step up to the plate and cut his own salary. Let’s face it, he doesn’t need it to pay any bills!
Posted by: JBSR | January 31, 2009, 5:48 am 5:48 am
Getsmart: I agree, the billions they had spent on bonuses,could have been utilized to save jobs but the cash was used maintain their LUXURIOUS exorbitant lifestyles while sending many hardworking Americans to the food pantries. The insidious aspect of this, in some instances, after laying off Americans, these jobs are outsourced. And to sell to the Saudis? I wasn’t aware of it-however, if so, regardless of one’s wealth, nothing will save their greedy butts from a impending terrorist attack-Status CEO or high level executive does not grant them special status (they are American pigs like the rest of us-)…if one or two Al Quaida agents are working amongst them-who knows. Just a means to generate cash short term for the next diabolical plan.
Posted by: t42 | January 31, 2009, 5:54 am 5:54 am
JBSR: Being president is most stressful job on the planet. 24/7 job-Only leader in the world ages 2 years per year in office-he’s being paid close to a $1.50 per person per year. Not a lot considering post 9/11 he’s in charge of keeping us safe.
Posted by: t42 | January 31, 2009, 6:09 am 6:09 am
If you come begging to Washington for bailout money, then this should be the cost of borrowing. Try going to a bank for a loan and see what they want for collateral, this isn’t any different.
I agree completely with this bill and it should be passed before another dollar is given to any business.
The American people deserve accountability.
Posted by: vnvet69 | January 31, 2009, 6:29 am 6:29 am
I bet that decision doesn’t bode well with Obama’s elitist buddies. I bet the “salary cap” measure expires in December 2011, just after the next election sends the messiah back to good old corrupt Chi-Town where he fits in well.
Posted by: Machod | January 31, 2009, 6:52 am 6:52 am
I Agree with Sen. Claire McCaskill
There should Tough Limits on CEO’s as well as Wall Street in general.
Obama has to Address the over 40 Million Uninsured Americans, as well as the the 400,000 or more newly Unemployed Americans, who will need Health Care, as well.
Universal Health Care was the focal point of his Campaign and the Bailout Package should include or have allocated funds for Universal Health Care.
Posted by: o. | January 31, 2009, 6:59 am 6:59 am
good idea but it should include all management including board of directors. the cap on salary should include salary, bonuses, stock options, corporate paid life insurance. it should also provisions that will not allow for future makeup of lost salaries until all bailout money is repaid to the federal government.
Posted by: Lawrence | January 31, 2009, 7:47 am 7:47 am
The simpiler solution is to freeze everyones salary with total compensation packages totaling more than 200K a year. This way all middle management as well as upper management get the message that when you company is feed from corporate welfare it is not business as usual. This should also happen at the federal and state levels. Until they balance their budgets and return to sane fiscal policy they will get no salary increases. It would make an interesting bill.
Posted by: ChicagoBob | January 31, 2009, 8:09 am 8:09 am
So you’re a CEO who wants to make $20 mil a year? Sell enough stuff to do so and never ask for a bailout (e.g., Bill Gataes). It’s just that simple. As for the overpaid athletes (which actually has driven the CEO salaries because a buch of White guys couldn’t stand the thought of a bunch of Black guys making more money than them), let the owners enter the real world (pay for their own stadiums) and those salaries will slide to more realistic levels as well.
Posted by: FrankieStage | January 31, 2009, 8:10 am 8:10 am
Added to this request All federal and state employees wages should be frozen until they balance their budgets and return to sane fiscal policy. No one in government will recieve salary increases until the budgets are reworked and balanced. Obama must lead BY example. LOL.. Like that will happen. Obama policies so far. Consumer confidence since he took office lowest in decades. Thank you Mr President you have achieved your goal of wrecking the economic engine.
Posted by: ChicagoBob | January 31, 2009, 8:13 am 8:13 am
Don’t her comments reflect the old saying “it’s like the pot calling the kettle black?”
There are more idiots in the US Congress than on Wall Street. If you need an example, take a look at that so-called stimulus package. It’s a disgrace and we’ll all be paying for it for the rest of our lives. I really thought Obama was smarter than this to allow such a garbage bill to be crafted. Hopefully the adults in the Senate will shred it to pieces and put more job creating expenditures in it.
Posted by: Dee | January 31, 2009, 8:18 am 8:18 am
so i want know where the change non taxpaying Polictian and Lobbist getting in the white House after Waiver’s Mr. Obama and his change Yea right . i guess i goe to work now to pay my taxes So Mr. Obama and trhe gangest Don’t Have To Pay there and worry about me losing my job to an illegal because there right mean more than mine the tax payer
Posted by: Shady | January 31, 2009, 8:56 am 8:56 am
This is one of the Dems that made me decide to vote for Obama. I caught her on TV while traveling through W. Ky and Mo. This lady has more brains in her little finger then the NeoCons, and definitely more cajones.
Posted by: Clint | January 31, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am
I believe that not just salaries but total compensation should be capped. I agree with some of the other posters on this board who as well say that compensation for others who have inflated salaries should also be capped. A lot of civil law is about what offends the sensibilities of the population at large. It is about time that these rediculously high salaries start offending people. There is no way anyone can tell me that a business leader, pro sports player, actor, etc is worth what they make. No one needs 20 million a year. Are any of these people more important than our military personnel? Our police force? Our educators (who put them there in the first place)? Nope. And what is sad is that most of these freaks could not care less about the average schmuck. So, yeah, let’s cap all of this out of control compensation and redistribute it so we can put a whole bunch of much more derserving people to work!
Posted by: John | January 31, 2009, 9:11 am 9:11 am
WallStreetPeon, you say you “only” make $45,000 a year working for Wall Street. To me, “only” 45,000 per year is a LOT for a “peon” (aka: entry-level position)
Wish I was like you and could make $23.44 for being a “peon” entry-level worker.
Want to trade jobs with me for just one year? See how you like living on $5.56 an hour (social security) — and that’s after I was only making $11.92 cents an hour after TWENTY-TWO years with a company.
Yeah, you got it rough dude.
Posted by: LOfromMO1 | January 31, 2009, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Shady … what?
Posted by: John | January 31, 2009, 9:13 am 9:13 am
Chattyway — At the compensation levels that CEO’s and others now enjoy, they should be flawless. Most could make a tenth of what they currently make and I would still say that their work should be flawless. The last part of your comment is right on, though: these people (not just the CEOs) have obliterated thousands upon thousands of lives. They need real jail time and real punishment for what they have done.
Posted by: John | January 31, 2009, 9:18 am 9:18 am
Francisco Cardenas, if I owed you, oh, I don’t know, let’s say 50,000 dollars, would you be alright with it if I took a 2-week vacation to Hawaii and the Bahamas and whoops, me bad, I didn’t pay you back????
And you best not dare dictate to me whether I can or cannot take vacations. None of your business.
Posted by: LOfromMO1 | January 31, 2009, 9:20 am 9:20 am
Over Reach. If the terms of the “loan” is government take over, make that “transparently” part of the deal. CEO-in-Chief needs to clean up his own house (Congress) first.
Posted by: NewCongress2010 | January 31, 2009, 9:20 am 9:20 am
Deanbob wrote: “I’d like to see Obama do something he promised he’d do – Go thru each bill line by line and cut out the pork.”
Candidate Obama did, in fact, promise to do that. Yet, apparently, no one told him that the Line Item Veto was ruled unconstitutional. The President does not have the authority to cut out pork from a bill. All he can do is try to convince the Congress to cut it out or threaten a veto of the bill.
Posted by: James Danley | January 31, 2009, 9:32 am 9:32 am
–the AIG “spa” trip had already been paid for, again, prior to any sort of melt down.
This may be the case, but the writing had already been on the wall that times were going to get very tough. Add to that AIG had been in talks with the government for some time about a loan. This makes an expenditure like this stupid. The same goes for all of those banks who gave year end bonuses totaling 16bil before asking for their handouts.
With respect to the loans, I think you may be missing the point: A healthy business should not require any kind of government loan in the first place. Distributing this kind of money, too, devalues the dollar or redirects funding from programs in the budget (take your pick). So, yep, the tax payer does have to foot this bill: TWICE. We suffer through the inevitable devaluation of the dollar and the recession that was caused by these idiots int he first place, AND we get to pay higher interest rates on revolving credit so the banks can pay their loans back.
Congress has always been a problem. You are correct about that. This can be solved by changing our system a little. Nothing every really gets done in an adversarial system. But the waste generated by the congress is nothing compared to the muck that the financial sectore got us into this time. This is literally the shot that was felt around the world.
I know you are probably young, and congrats for getting on wall street. Maybe you can set an example someday. I would caution you, however, from taking such patronizing tone with anyone, ever. Even if you know what you are talking about … and you seem to be struggling with this a little.
Posted by: John | January 31, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Democrat Franklin Raines ran Fannie Mae and collected $50 million.
Democrat Jamie Gorelick worked for Fannie Mae and took home $26 million.
Democrat Jim Johnson hauled in millions from his Fannie Mae CEO job. From Wikipedia: “A 2006 OFHEO report found that Fannie Mae had substantially under-reported Johnson’s compensation. Originally reported as $6-7 million, Johnson actually received approximately $21 million.”
Notice a pattern here?
All contributed to the cooking of Fannie Mae’s books. All were protected by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. They were all complicit in creating the subprime lending disaster, which kicked off the credit crisis.
If Obama were really “outraged” about corruption, he’d start with righting the wrongs at Fannie Mae. But he won’t because the corruption was caused by his own cronies (and even advisors in the case of Raines). So he misdirects the public and moves on to Wall Street. And the mainstream media goes along with it.
Posted by: Tony D | January 31, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Not a bad start. But it doesnt address the real problem. No business should be allowed to be so big that it will damage the economy if they fail. If that were in place then the bonus issue is moot because we would just let the business fail….
Posted by: opedanderson | January 31, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Tony D. That is outrageous. And, of course, this kind of corruption exists on both sides of the house. I wonder if there is a way to separate the good from the bad in Congress? Probably not. Perhaps we need to just start over. Get rid of them all. Reformulate our policy-making engine. Bring back the philanthropist. And jail those who violate their oath to serve the American people. The problem is that the American Congressman has changed from public servant to public despot over this years. This is just as nauseating as the overcompensation issue.
Posted by: John | January 31, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Pres. Obama voted for the bailout with no restrictions. Now lets blame the CEO’s for something so it takes away from the bigger problem. Pres. Obama also said there was a time to make a profit and now is not the time.
Posted by: Lizzie | January 31, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Pay for performance I agree, including the greased inept moron’s in the house and senate. If Bush,Pelosi,Frank,Reid and Dodd were handling the Gambino families finance’s well enough said.
Posted by: James Villa | January 31, 2009, 10:40 am 10:40 am
John wrote: “Perhaps we need to just start over. Get rid of them all.”
Actually we should impose term limits for Congress. The members of the House should be limited to 5 terms and the members of the Senate should be limited to 2 terms.
Posted by: James Danley | January 31, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am
And how about examining those bonuses that the federal and state governments pay to contractors, whether or not the contracts have been fulfilled. Those bonuses need to be investigated and capped. Interesting how the new Minnesota bridge was finished ahead of schedule when millions in bonus monies were promised for doing so. Why can’t schedules be met without dangling “carrots” in front of contractors? Greed over satisfaction in a job well done?
Posted by: judithod | January 31, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am
I say CAP the pay of congress and the president and ban all donations of any sort to them also.
Posted by: huye | January 31, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
James Dailey …. Actually we should impose term limits for Congress.
They should of done this a long time ago. So you don’t have drunken disgusting slobs like Ted Kennedy running things as a senator.
Posted by: put | January 31, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Anybody here have a home/auto loan? FYI … your mortgage is now owned by the government. You can soon expect a phone call from Senator Claire, so she can explain how you are now allowed to spend your income. After all, if it’s good for one debtor, it’s good for all. Forget about that new HDTV for the Super Bowl. She thinks those are “outrageous”.
Posted by: Obama-Voter | January 31, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
I don’t get the headline, it says that an Obama ally introduced this measure. But nowhere in the article does it say if the measure was introduced by Chavez, Castro, Kim Il Jong, Ahmadninjad, or bin Laden. Which Obama ally introduced the maesure??
Posted by: Who's on first? | January 31, 2009, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
These CEO’s aren’t eating $100 wagyu steaks like Obama.
These CEOs aren’t spending $150 million dollars on parties like Obama spent on his coronation, the most expensive in history.
these CEO’s aren’t hiring tax cheats like Obama.
Obama has no business lecturing anybody on ethics. His has been the most corrupt administration in history!
Posted by: No room to talk | January 31, 2009, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
maybe we could cap obamas pay no recovery no pay lol
Posted by: david reyes | February 1, 2009, 2:31 am 2:31 am
Is the $18 billion in bonuses from firms that have taken bailout monies or is this figure for “all” Wall Street firms, including those not involved with bailout?. Limiting salaries and bonuses of those firms that take bailout money might be appropriate, but the government should keep their nose out of firms that don’t.
Posted by: Sigmonde | February 1, 2009, 10:13 am 10:13 am
I think they should ban companies from paying their executives, or any employees, with the company’s stock. That would take away a lot of incentive for them to fudge the numbers and artificially inflate the stock prices, and it would make it clear to everybody how very much they really are making.
Posted by: Rod M | February 1, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am
“I think they should ban companies from paying their executives,..”
Who is the “they”? The government? Owners/stockholders of private sector business should always be the deciders of what executives pay, not the government. Sounds like you would like the government to own all private business, no?
Posted by: Sigmonde | February 1, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
This is a fundamentally bad idea.
On one hand, there should be consequence when companies verging on bankruptcy make outrageous payments to insiders, liquidating dividends, or take other actions that are not it the public interest.
On the other hand, draconian measures to limit executive pay will keep the talent that is needed to fix the problem out of the game.
Rather than setting a limit of $x, consider a couple things …
… use tax policy to discourge excessive compensation
… require compensation over $x to be made in stock with a minimum holding period of say 3 or 5 years so that the consequences of business decisions have played out before the cash is paid out … that would be a much more effective way to ‘recover’ compensation for irresponsible actions.
Posted by: OneObservation | February 1, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
I say we freeze the salaries of every employee in the federal, state, county, city and school systems. Once they submit a viable and realistic budget and only then, will they be allowed to have salary increases.
Even if this budget means cutting expenses, like unnecessary staff!
Posted by: YellowCobalt | February 1, 2009, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
No matter what they do, these CEOs will find a way around it.
Posted by: gotterdammerung | February 2, 2009, 7:23 am 7:23 am
Obama is a kid playing at president.
Posted by: gotterdammerung | February 2, 2009, 7:29 am 7:29 am
Let’s see… in my company, if you fail miserably, you are fired. These guys, in their million dollar offices get multimillion dollar bonuses when they run their companies into a pit and take the nation’s economy with them. Capping their salaries is a slap on the wrist. How ’bout firing the entire executive team when they have to ask for tax payer money and then make their replacements sign statements of accountability?
Posted by: DaveM | February 2, 2009, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
A few years ago Martin Olaf Sabo from my home state of Minnesota championed a bill which said that the salary of the lowest earning member and that of the highest earning member of any corporation could not be more than a certain percentage difference. (I don’t recall what that percentage was.) I thought it was a great bill, but of course it died a quick death in Congress and he retired soon after. It’s too bad that the bill never got a decent hearing or decent coverage. We might have avoided all of this.
Posted by: David G | February 2, 2009, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
These businesses become so behemoth that they “can’t” fail, for fear of dragging the economy down with them. So, they’re bailed out. Then – when their is accountability required (for being handed millions in taxpayer money), the trouble begins.
Too much mismanagement of these massive companies, and then they’re not allowed to fail. Do we really want the government being so involved with so many businesses – to the point of practically owning them and being able to dictate the terms of their existence?
These bailouts are becoming a MESS, all the way around.
Posted by: Interested08 | February 3, 2009, 7:25 am 7:25 am