Obama Has Votes Now to Pass Stimulus Plan
During his economic speech today titled "The Need for Urgent Action on an American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan" President-elect Barack Obama urged congress three times to pass an economic stimulus package without delay.
He’s been just as adamant with bipartisan Congressional leaders on the need to act quickly.
What we saw today was the President-elect essentially giving a State of the Union-type of address on the economy — even before he is officially President-elect.
It’s all because the economic crisis facing the nation is so unprecedented.
If he is successful, he will have passed probably the largest piece of legislation of his presidency in his first 30 days.
We’ve never seen anything like this before.
He’s going to run into a fair amount of skepticism in Congress on this stimulus package.
But he’s also done a fair amount of work to get buy-in from both Democrats and Republicans.
About 40 percent of this package will be tax cuts — which has gone a long way to soften some Republican opposition.
They might be opposed to many other parts of the plan such as some of the spending proposals.
Democrats and Republicans that I talk to on Capitol Hill say that Obama certainly has the votes he needs in the House and likely already has 60 votes in the Senate.
But his goal is to get it up to 80 Senate votes . . . to have complete buy-in from both parties.
–George Stephanopoulos
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I heard it is a clean package… no ear marks… no pork… they probably will not pass it tell it is loaded down. Not his fault, it is just Washington as normal. Good luck Obama my prayers are with you. I hope you CAN pull it off for the good of America.
Posted by: becky (the real one) | January 8, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
I’d almost forgotten what it was like to have an intelligent, capable leader as president. What a relief.
Posted by: hopesprings52 | January 8, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
I reckon he would get more than 60 votes but not sure about 80!
If Obama’s favourability ratings which is 80% remains, then GOP senators would not want to be seen to be a clog in the wheel of progress.
Posted by: Ro | January 8, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
The Republicans should run away from this. It will not bring a stronger economy and will in fact have the reverse affect because it will increase our debt by nearly a Trillion dollars. Our long term debt is the primary reason for the great uncertainty that exist about our economy.
Let the Democrats pass it on their own so they will receive all the blame when it fails. The Republicans should submit a competing proposal that cuts government to offset the costs of their plan and provide incentives for business and research.
Posted by: James | January 8, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
What good does it do to go into further debt to throw money away to people that is SO worthless, you can’t even buy anything with it? Where is the outrage? Remember the Bush tax cuts? What the hell about this? If the state governments are in debt and selling off state resources, WHY are we giving out a 500 check that can’t even cover debt, let alone two weeks worth of food? But no, since the Democrats are doing it, Suddenly, it’s just fine! Hypocrisy! Here’s a solution, abolish the income tax and keep your own money! Nah, we can’t do that, the government has to waste it or give it out to their cronies 1st. And then we’ll give you ten cents on the dollar and call it a “Stimulus pacakge!” Pathetic!
Posted by: please! | January 8, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Good grief, a package this large needs to have some careful thought and examination. God help us all if this is passed immediately, without either.
Posted by: beth | January 8, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
So stop the snow job PEBO! :(
Posted by: aware2u | January 8, 2009, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
Please!, you are right. We are going to try to spend our way out of a problem that was caused by spending too much money. In the last year the fed has pumped nearly 7 Trillion dollars into our economy. Has this improved anything? Now, Obama comes along and concludes that spending a few more trillion will do the trick. He simply is out of his league and has no understanding of what the economy is broadcasting very clearly; we have too much debt. We are on the verge of bankruptcy and just like a private citizen with credit card debt, we cannot fix this by borrowing even more money.
Obama will be as hated as George Bush if he continues this approach.
Posted by: James | January 8, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
And stop the fear-mongering PEBO! :(
Posted by: aware2u | January 8, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
James: You remind me of my good friend Herbert Hoover.
Posted by: FDR | January 8, 2009, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
Beth,
You know .. its amazing.. your asking for gods help, before Obama is already President. Get over the election already. You might want to give hime a chance, because .. if it wasnt the last 8 years off irrespnsibility.. maybe we would not be praying to god for the failures of bush. And don’t just blame congress.. because dems came in power just the last 2 years…
When the GOP had majorities at every level in 2001.. and your ideas were put to use.. it became clear that repubs couldn’t govern and your favorite line “government is the problem” laissez-faire policies have been rejected and have been a failure. We had a surplus when clinton was in office.. and it took the last 8 years of a GOP president to put us in this enormous debt.
Government can’t solve all problems.. but it has a role to play.. to make sure there is not economic injustice.. and only the priveleged few are making it aka.. Coroporate CEO’s like they have under President Bush.
Posted by: O! | January 8, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
I noticed last Friday that George said that the market was going up because people were excited about Barak Obama. Now that it has fallen again I haven’t heard him say that it is because they are depressed about Barak Obama.
Posted by: andrea | January 8, 2009, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
yah, beth and james.. are praying for god’s help.. thank god .. your President aka hoover is out of office. Maybe everyone will get a fair shake now.. and not just CEO’s..
Posted by: O! | January 8, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
The whole point is to generate JOBS to keep FOOD on most Americans tables and a roof over our heads. Plus our highways, bridges and schools are a mess and are in need of desperate overhaul. So we kill to birds with one stone. It is more than Bush or any other Repug has done for us this past 8 years.
Posted by: becky (the real one) | January 8, 2009, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Uhh Obama.Exactly what has been going on in dc all these years besides Government spending? Good gosh man, you just blew through nearly a billion getting elected. Here is an idea, why not give us minions who still have jobs a break on taxes and ss payments, say one week a month for 6 months or a year and we can buy some stuff we need, pay our paymenst on time and the local governments raking in that sales tax could then go out and pave a road or build a bridge or two. And if you could ease back on business taxes a bit who knows there may be some Mom and Pop outfit ever so close to discovering a new cheap non polluting energy source or cure for cancer, you know like Edison or Ford. Of course we could just change and allow the Governemt to get bigger and allow 80 cents of every dollar be spend for admin cost and government employee salaries and benefits instead of the 70 cents per dollar spent doing it now. This will ensure a good block of voters from Government sectors next election and you’ll be able to keep them busy handing out biscuits and soup to the rest of us. And you might be able to get elected without spending so much money in 2012.
Posted by: david | January 8, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
It took 8 years for this President Bushie to take a surplus and put us in this enormous debt.. and i just hope the GOP doesn’t think that Obama can solve everything in one day..
Americans know it will take time.. but they are willing to give him time as evidence by his 70% plus approval rating.
Posted by: O! | January 8, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
James, there are times, such as now, when the economy requires Defibrillation. Back in the 1990s other countries faced their own economic crises – first Mexico, then Asia, then the collapse of Russia. After studying the messes, Nouriel Roubini (economics professor at NYU) found a common thread. These countries spent far more than they made and financed debt by borrowing from abroad + poorly regulated banks borrowed excessively and spent recklessly. Sound familiar?
According to Roubini, we are in deep. Check out Roubini’s blog at http://www.rgemonitor.com. – Today he agrees the US needs radical policies to prevent this recession from turning into a systemic meltdown and a decade long global economic Depression. Roubini says the US federal government must immediately spend on infrastructure; he also recommends increased unemployment benefits and targeted tax rebates. Times are achangin’ – google “Keynesian Economics”.
Posted by: idahogirl | January 8, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
David,
Your GOP hero, President Bush is the one who has put us in this debt. Not Obama. It is your president.. who increased the size of government.. Not Clinton or Obama.
GOP likes to claim smaller govt.. is good.. but it was your President.. who showed no fiscal responsibility.. i trust a Democratic president to be more fiscally responsible..
We will have to go in a little more debt.. to stimulate the economy.. or we will have double digit employment.. if we dont do anything. But hey… “On your own party” the GOp has turned into doesnt realize this..
Posted by: O! | January 8, 2009, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
I think a better way to save the economy is to give America a 6 Month Tax Holiday!
Oh, I forget, the only people that will benefit from this are the people that WORK and draw a paycheck. The Special Interests and Low Life “LONG TERM” WellFair people don’t get anything. This would not go along with the “Spread The Wealth” crap.
The Government has proven over and over it does not know how to spend our money. So, GIVE IT BACK TO US WHO EARN IT and let US decide where to spend it!
Posted by: ajax | January 8, 2009, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
It is your president.. who increased the size of government.. Not Clinton or Obama.–O!
“Your President”, huh? So you don’t mind the 56,000,000 people do not consider BHO as OUR President?
Posted by: i just love him soooo much | January 8, 2009, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
ajax–Problem being, that Democrats think the masses are stupid peons.
Considering PEBO was able to manipulate the election, I would say they are right.
Posted by: i just love him soooo much | January 8, 2009, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
It’s amazing how the democratic congress of Nancy and Harry WROTE THE LAW that handed 750 billion or 8 TRILLION over to the wall street fannie and freddie HACKS and then told us they have NO IDEA what it is spent on.
I guess DEMOCRATS will someday have to come to the realization that their party, the rulers of DC as the congressional majority that can override any potus veto at the drop of a hat, handed TRILLIONS to their “hated corporate ceo’s” who have been flying them around on the JETS they whined about coming to DC (for their public deception and liefest points).
Dems, you are the dimmest useful idiot dummies the world has ever seen.
I suppose the USA will crash and burn until the insane led by the nose drooling braindead populace picks up the Constitution and realizes the CONGRESS spends their tax dollars, writes the laws on EXACTLY HOW IT WILL BE SPENT, and the rest of the government merely implements that legal demand and law the CONGRESS wrote up and passed.
Stupid Americans, as you all wail toward the white house, capitol hill is pumping your backside full of hot lead and you haven’t clue one.
Congratulations, you are truly idiots.
Posted by: Slickico | January 8, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
idahogirl, keynesian economics is the basis of the crisis we are in today. Keynes advocated government intervention and supported the New Deal, which remains a primary cause of the irresponsible government we have today. Both parties have followed his failed philosophies. They should be dumped once and for all. If we want to change our government we need new ideas. We cannot spend our way out of an over spending problem.
Posted by: james | January 8, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Republicans need to never, never, never, touch for this, let the demobrats have it. Then they can take the fall like the republicans do everytime they are pushed to going along with the demobrats, because this one like all the others is going to fail misserably and at OUR (WORKING CLASS) EXPENSE ! Things keep going like they are and I say we should all stay home and let Obaba take care of us. I’m tire of working and paying taxes to bail out all these morons, especially when I hear where they live, what they drive, and all their retreats they go to. It’s time for all the bid wigs to not be living so high on the hog and join us regular folks !!!!!
Posted by: countrygirl_74 | January 8, 2009, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
$775 billion: Expected cost of the economic stimulus plan.
$1.2 trillion: Projected federal deficit for 2009
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
Political priorities by the numbers. Read more about it on the Borgen Project website (borgenproject.org)
Posted by: Alenka | January 8, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
If you are going to put down welfare people at least spell it right your freaking ingrate loser. dumb ajax very dumb.
Posted by: FreshMeatz | January 8, 2009, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
“I heard it is a clean package… no ear marks… no pork… they probably will not pass it tell it is loaded down. Not his fault, it is just Washington as normal. Good luck Obama my prayers are with you. I hope you CAN pull it off for the good of America.
———————————–
becky (the real one),
To Becky & All you liberals who can only seem to look at the world with partisan eyes!
This crisis was cause by screwups on both sides. Some of you need to grow a pair and learn how deal with the truth of that.
As far as the bill, if it is a clean bill before it enters the congressional debate, then this becomes Obama’s first true test of his leadership.
If that thing come out the other end with the usual earmarks, pork, etc…,
Then all you Obamabots beter run for the hills. It will be the proof that Reid & Pelosi are really running the country and Obama is just a flashy puppet.
Posted by: Mike_C | January 8, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Apparently, no one remembers that all the spending on FDR’s New Deal did not end the depression. The economy was in the same, or worse shape after years of the New Deal.
World War II ended the depression. The New Deal only left us a lot more government and a lot of public debt.
Evidently our so-called leaders expect to do exactly the same thing and get different results. I so no reason for history not to repeat itself with this stupendous boondoggle of a “stimulus packeage.”
Posted by: MizFW | January 8, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
you lierals are a bunch of as@@hats
Posted by: jimbo | January 8, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
@FreshMeatz,
If you were from my part of the Country, you would know what WellFair meant. NOTICE the way I spelled it! I did it on purpose.
Evidently what I said must have touched a nerve. Are you one??? Are you living off the rest of our backs??? Don’t want to work, but think you should get money from the rest of us that do??
Are you one of those that think this:
“Well”, I think it is just “Fair” that the Government should look after me.
Posted by: ajax | January 8, 2009, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
MizFw,
You dont think these liberals will let history get in their way do ya?
Posted by: Mike_C | January 8, 2009, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
your socialized rhetoric will give you no brownie points here.
Posted by: FreshMeatz | January 8, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Trust me, you won’t hear no “socialized rhetoric” from me.
Posted by: ajax | January 8, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Dear O or is it zero?, Yes Bush did spend money with medicare for the aged and on education but lets rememeber he also spent oodles on homeland security which if I am not mistaken added thousands upon thousands to the Govermnet payrolls. So we had all this spending, government spending, and the economy, in part from the reckless lending from 2 goverment guaranteed lenders, effectively torched the economy. We can spend money on bridges and roads and other government projects get a measley small return from each dollar and once these things are built we can let those who built them go back on forth on them because they will be among a few getting paid. We the consumers and producers drive business and employment and as far as I know Governemt does not create wealth but, as a necessary evil, consumes it.
Posted by: david | January 8, 2009, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
The Borgen Project has some good info on the cost of addressing global poverty.
$30 billion: Annual shortfall to end world hunger.
$550 billion: U.S. Defense budget
Posted by: Abel Tsegga | January 8, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
I love him sooo much..
You know the reason i said “your president”.. cuz that is exactly what he was.. he never cared about the people who never voted for him.. he and his GOP senators would hammer their agenda through bare majorities. as long as they had 50+1 votes in the senate.. is what he cared about..
ANd believe me.. if you actually give him a chance.. and not have a closed mind.. hw will be everyones presidents..
This stimulus plan will get atleast 60 votes.. if not more.. because this is a nneed for our country.
David.. thankyou for admitting.. Bush was the one who increased spending.. and for the person who said Reid and Pelosi asked for the 800 billion dollar bailout.. umm check the facts.. it was Bush’s whitehouse who increased spending trying to makeup for his 8 years of zero regulation on these companies…
Obama is forced to clean the mess Bush has created.. there are no good solutions.. just bad or worse..
Posted by: O! | January 8, 2009, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
wow , country girl… you had mr. country Georgie Bush.. in the white house.. really cared about the regular folk huh.. when he asked for the 800 billion dollar bailout from congress..
He sure did really care about the regular folk.. when he continue to give tax breaks for the wealthy.. and little or nothing to average folks like you.
Wake up from the sleep.. and see that good ol Texan created this mess, he had a surplus .. and now this country into debt.. he took us to war .. where we are spending billions to fight the invisible terrorists in Iraq… when we got attacked by people in Afghanistan..
Next stop.. Iran huh.. how about north korea while we are at it.?
Posted by: Bushism | January 8, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
MzFW – OK, let’s first address the myth that the New Deal “delayed economic recovery”. Back in 1995 a survey of economic historians asked whether “government policies of the New Deal served to lengthen and deepen the Great Depression.” In economics departments, 27% agreed, 22% agreed ‘with provisos’ (unknown what these were) and 51% disagreed. In history departments, only 27% agreed and 73% disagreed. So enough blathering about how The New Deal “ONLY left us a lot more government and a lot of public debt.”
Posted by: LetUsLeaf | January 8, 2009, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
MizFW – OK, next let’s address how spending is designed to help. Obama’s stimulus package is meant to start a cascade of events where the total increase in economic activity will be more than the original stimulus plan. Sure unemployment remained high throughout the New Deal years, but it was lower than before the programs were implemented. Keynesians argue that vastly more money should have been spent by the government to provide a cascade into the economy.
Afterall, as you pointed out, it was massive SPENDING that doubled the GNP during WWII and reduced unemployment from 14% in 1940 to less than 2% in 1943.
Posted by: LetUsLeaf | January 8, 2009, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
Hoover was so busy trying not to throw to much money at the economy, until it failed miserably.
It took FDR to come in any do it right.
We had 8yrs of Bush not paying attention to what was going on in this country, now we need another humongous amount of money thrown at the economy to right the problem.
Thank goodness for PR BHO!!
I can just imagine what McCain would have done for the economy…continue to deregulate while not throwing enough money after the problem.
We’d be just another 3rd world country by now.
Posted by: Dusty | January 9, 2009, 12:01 am 12:01 am
Dear President-Elect Obama:
What are you oing to do about the
people who are getting a Linkcard and getting too fat and lazy to go back to work. And also about the people who work very little in their lives now trying to collect SSI. This program
created for former workers.
Posted by: geri davenport | January 9, 2009, 12:23 am 12:23 am
The stimulus package is great for the working middle class but it’s not so great for the elderly and the disabled on social security and the low income minimum wage workers. They are left out of any stimulus tax rebate because most of them don’t have enough income to have to pay any income tax after their deductions. The stimulus package might help some of the low income minimum wage workers to find better jobs but the package, as it stands, will do nothing to help the elderly and the disabled. The stimulus package needs to be rewitten to include ALL Americans with incomes less than $200,000!
Posted by: Sooner | January 9, 2009, 5:09 am 5:09 am
This stimulus package is being RUSHED for a vote just like the other bailouts.Democrats, like Pelosi told that without those bailouts we would be in a recession. They didn’t work. The Bush administration stimulus package didn’t work. WHY are we doing the same thing again.??? These bills will come due and the TAXPAYERS will have to pay them for years to come. Change????LOL
Posted by: CW | January 9, 2009, 6:37 am 6:37 am
Barack Obama, are your supposed “tax cuts”
actually raiding Social Security?
Posted by: Michelle | January 9, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Barack Obama, are your supposed “tax cuts”
actually raiding Social Security?
Posted by: Michelle | January 9, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
President Elect Obama will add to that deficit blindly. Congress is blinded to reality; they are not protecting us. Barack Obama is a lover of Harry Potter (witchcraft – sorcery) books. There is no godly guidance to those who love witchcraft. There seems to be a connection here and I do not expect this presidency to stand. He is spending too much money to avoid showing his full birth certificate. If he is born in Kenya as a relative and an ambassador have reportedly said, Barack Obama in not eligible to be presedent. Other cracks in the promise are showing up. “The devil is a liar and the father of lies.” He will make big promises, but when people of God stand against him, he cannot deliver his promises.
The massive bailout began in the one half billion dollar range and now could go to 1 trillion dollars. God is against debt. He promised a change in Washington; now he is trying to guarantee government jobs and is increasing government positions. Barack Obama is not in control; nothing has changed. Groups of unions, etc. are marching, pushing the economic stimulus plan. There is no text, no details to the stimulus package, just a dollar amount. The Democrats are trying to push it through quickly and enslave us further, even without adequate review.
What is Obama supporting and does he even know? The House is ready to fast track that plan. That fits in with Harry Potter’s new movie, “Half-Blood Prince” where there is a spell or potion that makes people blindly infatuated. Was that one of the four Harry Potter (witchcraft-sorcery) books Senator Obama read to his young daughters? There certainly seems to be a spell out there; things do not make sense.
God rejected King Saul from being king for going against His ways and going after witchcraft; we will see how this works out. (The spell does get broken.)
Science and technology used since the great depression to solve that financial crisis have created a nation and world that is dangerous, stressful and expensive. It has caused world problems of pollution, global warming, energy crisis, reoccurring financial crises, war, immigration, disease and the high cost of health care (soon to add health insurance costs for millions that cannot afford it), poverty, inequality, crime, child and elder care needs, and social security inadequacies, etc.
We are ready for real change; and the way is prepared. The goal in life is not employment; the goal is a retirement lifestyle, a garden paradise we create with fresh food around us and true freedom and independence. That solves the world problems we created by ignoring God’s wisdom, pollution, global warming, energy crisis, disease, war, immigration, poverty, inequality, crime and social security inadequacies. It is easy, fair, beautiful, sustainable through the ages and inexpensive. The way is prepared, even with a better financial system; it doesn’t run out of money or put us in debt.
Posted by: Marie Devine | January 9, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
“you lierals are a bunch of as@@hats”
I know you are, but what am I?
Posted by: Silky | January 9, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
We are still going the wrong way. Science and technology used since the great depression to solve that financial crisis have created a nation and world that is dangerous, stressful and expensive. It has caused world problems of pollution, global warming, energy crisis, reoccurring financial crises, war, immigration, disease and the high cost of health care (soon to add health insurance costs for millions that cannot afford it), poverty, inequality, crime, child and elder care needs, and social security inadequacies, etc.
We are ready for real change; and the way is prepared. The goal in life is not employment; the goal is a retirement lifestyle, a garden paradise we create with fresh food around us and true freedom and independence. That solves the world problems we created by ignoring God’s wisdom.
Posted by: Marie Devine | January 9, 2009, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Saturday, January 10, 2009
Was Obama eligible to give a Speech? Like he did Thursday? I was just wondering, because he hadn’t been sworn in yet.
Posted by: Terry Marvin | January 10, 2009, 8:29 am 8:29 am
Hey George, Why dont you ask the question of Obama,
Why has Obama (Mr Transparency) sealed his vault birth certificate,College admissions records, and Pakistani passport?
What kind of journalist are you George? A bought and paid for one, evidently.
Hey George,,Your messiah is a liah.
Posted by: Badger1 | January 11, 2009, 7:29 am 7:29 am
The only income my household has is spouses pension from retirement. We are not old enough to apply for Soc. Sec. yet.
How is the simulusgoing to effect our pension?
Posted by: Donna | January 11, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
I have a suggestion. Why not remove the “comments” section from news articles. They don’t offer new information, they’re depressing and they’re often written by people who don’t have a clue about the subject under discussion.
Just news, Please.
Posted by: IVoteforNews | January 12, 2009, 1:36 am 1:36 am
“Why has Obama (Mr Transparency) sealed his vault birth certificate,College admissions records, and Pakistani passport?”
What does it matter? Who cares? None of your business. All of the above are perfectly acceptable responses.
Posted by: Silky | January 13, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
It’s amazing how much the media has pumped up this guy for doing absolutely nothing and has succeeded to Bash the pres. of the United States for the past 8 years. I am ashamed to be a part of such a party. After all the mess we are in is directly linked to the Clinton Administration, Barney Frank, and Christopher Dodd…I’m surprised Obama didnt ask one of them to join his administration! What changes is he talking about???? It’s the same ol BS!
Posted by: demturnedrepduetomedia | January 14, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
The standards have been set soooo low for Obama it’s sickening, just look at pre-election interviews. They set the standards so low he cannot fail. If he does well, the dems will do what they love to do most…..Blame Bush..lol…..It’s really becoming laughable now. The democratic party is a mess,and the youth who voted Hussain Obama in will learn a huge lesson hopefully. I hope he proves me wrong as I set out to give him a chance however his choices so far points to the same ol thing. Keeep the crooks in power…..Obama is just a puppet on a string.
Posted by: demturnedrepublicanduetomedia | January 14, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am
hopesprings52: “I’d almost forgotten what it was like to have an intelligent, capable leader as president. What a relief.”
How is that koolaid tasting?
Posted by: teo | January 15, 2009, 12:17 am 12:17 am