President Obama: Suspend Gitmo Trials

I agree with Jackie. MSNBC most definitely should apologize for the moron Chris Matthews and the other suckups at NBC.
It sickens me how the MSM falls at Obama’s feet. You people are stupid beyond belief! He is not a superhero nor is he is a “messiah”. You think he can do no wrong and when he does, you sweep it under every rug you can find.. When in fact on his historic train ride, he likens himself to President Lincoln. That is arrogant no matter how you slice it. Obama has NO track record to back himself up. He is arrogant and self centered. Certainly and clearly positioning himself for a huge meltdown.
I am disgusted with the Obama’s and their obsession with themselves, the media’s obsession over Obama, and the fiasco in general. I have tuned out and turned you all off.

Now I see how Hitler controlled the country of Germany.
The media better cut it out or we’re heading in the wrong direction.

I believe the positive rating for the media is about 5%.

The moaning and groaning of neocons is music to my ears.

Release the Gotmo terrorists !!! I already feel so much safer with Obama at the helm. I can’t wait for him to raise MY taxes to pay for the increased dependency on government. I might vote for him for a second term – by then I’ll need the monthly government check.

They are hacks: I suppose you are excluding the following from your characterization of the media: Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, Bob Novak, Pat Buchanan, Tucker Carlson, Matt Drudge. Not a biased bone in their bodies, right?

Washington DC makes laws, they don’t abide by them. Once you get out of there you will find that we are still a still a nation that respects the law and our judicial system. We still elect our judges and expect them to preside with fairness regardless of the circumstance of a person’s birthplace. We still want the guilty punished and the innocent set free. Don’t blame the media for what we get from them, we are to blame for letting them get away with it. Demand truth and settle for no other.

thanks, oblidoodoo. Did not realize that you were the ONE who worked hard all your life.

Chris Matthews has a man crush on Obama and has stated he gets a “tingling” feeling running up his leg when Obama speaks. Matthews is pathetic and I cannot believe he is allowed to spew his leftist propaganda on the airways.

Substitute Bush for Obama and you have Headlines for the MSM.
Obama Stumbles Through Oath of Office.
Obama Stands Behind Tax Evader for Secretary of The Treasury.
Despite Conflict of Interest Obama Stands Behind Secretary of State Nomniee.
Obama Attorney General Nominee Defends Amnesty for Terrorist.

120 days for the new President and his people to look at the situation for themselves, as they are in charge now. Is that too much to ask? Really people, he’s been President for less then 24 hrs.

did none of you neocons even read the article? *no where* does it say the prisoners will be turned loose. maybe you should go back to third grade. at least *some* third graders can read.

Chas,
That is the problem that the liberals seem to miss. They do not have aplan or a method ready to go. They just want “stop the torture”.
As I have said, everyone one who thinks we have so badly mistreated these people, should be a host family for one of them for one year and be legally responsible for their actions!

“host family”…That’s funny. Oh, you’re serious? So, you don’t think waterboarding is bad treatment? Or being held, without being charged with a crime…for years? And Mike, you throw the word liberal around too much. Not everyone who may disagree with you is a liberal. Although, I do apply sun screen liberally…

To ‘they are hacks’- Bush made a very GOOD job of making himself a failure (if you consider him to be one). The media just reported as they saw it.
Chris Matthews is NOT a reporter. He is a TALKSHOW HOST who is ALLOWED to have his own opinion.
Finally, by imprisoning those men in Guantanamo Bay WITHOUT TRIAL or DUE PROCESS, Bush may have inadvertently created terrorists to those who may not have already been. You cannot have a democratic country without respecting democracy – even with respect to your enemies.
Good luck Mr. President

Shamaedene,
I love all you fools who actually think that a whole new legion of terroists are being created by how we treated these detainees.
It makes me wonder how the millions of these kinds of terrorists have been created over the past 2000-plus years.
You do realize that the fighting in this part of the world goes back well past that time dont you?

==120 days for the new President and his people to look at the situation for themselves, as they are in charge now. Is that too much to ask?==
Was it too much to ask in 2001?
== Really people, he’s been President for less then 24 hrs.==
In January, ’01, we said the same thing.
==He’s President. Get used to it!==
Our sentiments, exactly, in January ’01.
==The moaning and groaning of neocons is music to my ears.==
That’s how we felt in January, ’01, and after.

I was on the Mall yesterday. There was a chorus of boooooos everytime Bush flashed on the jumbo-trons.
There is a reason why folks. No hail and farewell for him yesterday. It was “good riddens” and don’t let the doorknob smack you in the arse on the way out.
There is a reason why folks. He was the absolute WORST president in the history of earth.
As soon as he got back to Texas he said to a welcoming crowd, he had been waiting for a long time to say six words
It is nice to be home.
For that Dubya we can surely agree.

gravy,
I accuse him of that, because he ran a campaign talking about it, and the media was blasting the adminstration for going into Iraq WITHOUT one. Hence, my friend, the idea that liberals have been running with for years now was they should have had one in place BEFORE they went in.
SOOOOOOOO…..again, Obama talked during the campaign at rally after rally after rally about going into Afghanistan and whining about that 10 billion a month we were spending there. Yet he never once mentioned how much a month he was preapred to spend in Afghanistan.
Again I say…If its fair to criticize Bush on these points, then it sure is fair to go after Obama on the same points!

It’s astonishing to me how the libs want to permit terrorists to walk the planet after what this country, and others as well, went through just over seven years ago. 9/11 is still fresh in my mind as it was one of the more catastrophic events to happen in my lifetime. Thousands died that day and some of the people responsible are being held at Gitmo. I don’t think we’re treating these people badly at all. I don’t think we’ve done enough to get more information out of them. I know we as a country are better than them but they hate us more than we can imagine and to let them live to fight another day is naive and infantile. The best I can say at this point is, get ready for another attack or two or three on American soil. Be careful when you fly… These people WILL strike again and we’ll have B. Hussein Obama to thank for it.

Mr Incredible.
You are incredible you can say….
“It’s party time! The terrorists in the world are dancin’ in the streets!”
it’s ok
But when I say how much of a dufus W was… you freak out.
you are incredible.

gravy,
Are you really that naive? Of course your not going to know how many attacks were prevented or where they were. Whatever channels that the intel came from would then be compromised.
The family analogy is to get you to think. Most of us would indeed sacrifice our lives for our family, but would you willing walk away from a person who you were absolutely certain had information that could save your family? You would not do EVERYTHING possible to save their lives?
The funny thing is most of you liberals would have cut Bush to pieces if the US had been attacked again, and you discovered we had detained people who knew the plan, but we did not “push” them to get the information.
High standing morals are great when your sititng back here, with zero responsibilty and zero knowledge of the impact of doing nothing.
By the way, ask a foot soldier from Korea or Vietnam how easy a choice it was not to shoot at women & children that were sometimes the enemy. It is not such an easy thing after you witness a 10 yr old approach you and then pull a gun and fire it. How do you know when the enemy does not wear a uniform all the time. When the enemy hides his forces and weapons in schools and hospitals. How exactly do you cope with an enemy who would willing stand in a village of innocents and fire all kinds of weapons at you, safe in the knowledge that your moral standards would prevent you from firing back?

gravy,
have you ever held a weapon & manned a post ?

No, Mike. What difference does that make? Let me guess, you have, so you know SO much more than anyone else? Is your next comment going to be disparaging about those who can’t/don’t serve in the U.S. military?

The funny thing is most of you liberals would have cut Bush to pieces if the US had been attacked again, and you discovered we had detained people who knew the plan, but we did not “push” them to get the information.
Posted by: Mike_C | Jan 21, 2009 10:05:45 AM
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Mike C,
America was attacked everytime a flag draped coffin came back from overseas.
so wake up and smell the coffee. Bush did not keep America safe. Go to one the families house and sit at the empty seat at the dinner table and ask that family how safe they are now. Ask them was it really worth it losing their loved one to see our President ducking shoes after “liberating” their country.

“Lets not forget that the current GITMO situation and Military Tribunal system has been hammered out by Congress, The Courts and the Executive over the past 7 years. Any undoing of the current system will involve all 3 branches.”
That involves more than a few word slogan. Their attention drifted off.
I for one will enjoy that fact that down that Obama is The Man that he can get dumped on for everything.
Its too cold here! Why didnt Obama do something!

Jackie
God helped us yesterday.
He sent dubya back to texas
He gave us a President with a brain and a heart.

Gitmo is a SHAM operation. Out of 1000 prisoners held at Gitmo in the last 6 years, 800 of these “worst of the worst terrorists” (in the words of that genius Rumsfeld) have been released, because the US was too embarrassed to admit that there was not even a shred of reliable evidence on these people. If you were the SHERIFF of a County and rounded up dozens of “SUSPECTS” held them 7 years, and then had to let them go because you didn’t have an ant’s fannys worth of evidence on them, you’d be fired and charged with a crime. Gitmo was established and filled with prisoners as a macho way of showing how “tough” the Bushies were on “terrorists”, a lot like how the white sheriff rounds up a passle of black folks after a crime – to show he’s on the ball. Gitmo will go down in history as a serious crime against human rights.

Omentum,
First off son, DO NOT even attempt to lecture me on military deaths. I have lost 2 cousins and 2 uncles durng my lifetime.
Second, If you were military or had ever sat down with anyone who chose the military life, you would never talk that way about it. I had a cousin in special forces, he knew exactly what he was doing. He was one of those me who not only took that call at 3AM, but willing put his life on the line for this country EVERY time that call came.
I not only sit at those tables, I visit those graves quite a few times each year. Those who came to the funerals of my relatives will tell you that until you are the one standing there with a weapon in your hand looking at anther person who wants to fire at you, you have no clue, no clue at all.
I for one thank and honor every single soldier who has served. Those whom I have had the priviledge of sitting down and talking to are amazing people with incredible conviction about the task they chose. I realize not every single soldier feels like those I have met, but I am pretty sure they will tell those of us who have not been there, that you cannot trivialize the choices they have to make.
gravy,
no I have not, but I have many family members that have. Some who are no longer here to refute people such as yourselves who down play what they do and want to think it is a simple game of black & white choices. It is not and if you get the chance to talk with someone who has had to fight in these kinds of conditions, then you might just stop and rethink your positon about all this.

“just maybe some the guys took up arms when their village was carpet bombed.”
Post a news story showing a village was ever carpet bombed.
Posted by: BertieW | Jan 21, 2009 10:31:15 AM
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http://www.chris-floyd.com/march/
You asked for it you got it.

“Gitmo has been and continues to be used as a recruiting tool by these butchers and it has created many more terrorists than are currently held there.”
Interesting, and the stats that back that statement up came from where ?

Omentum,
One bomb ….
You do understand what the term “carpet bombing” means..right?

Omentum,
One bomb ….
You do understand what the term “carpet bombing” means..right?
Posted by: Mike_C | Jan 21, 2009 10:43:34 AM
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NOTICE HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE!?!?!?!??!?
Do you really have to categorize a bomb to realize that ANY bomb can cause a man who just lost his family to rise up and fight.
WILL THE BLINDERS EVERY COME OFF YOUR BRAIN

Shamaedene,
I do not claim to have all the answers, I simply state that when you are fighting an enemy that enjoys dismembering hostages on video, and a majority of their “foot soldiers” beleive the greatest thing they can do with their own lkives is to die fo rthe cause and take as many of the “infidels” with them, you cannot approach it as if you fighting a uniformed army from a country.
Fighting terrorism is a completely different war. I am saying that we need to “torture” everyone, merely that you cannot say you will NEVER, EVER under any circumstances “torture.
There are indeed situations that would warrant it. I have used the family scenario here many times to show that under the right circumstances, you would indeed do it yourself to save your own child or spouse.
If your wife or child were taken by terrorists, and a video was released showing them, bruised and beaten, your telling me that you would NOT want the government to use EVERY means available to them to extract information from a source in order to save them ?
Omentum -> Go ask those families whose lovced ones were abducted in the middle east and beheaded on camera. Sit at their tables and ask them if they think extreme measures are sometimes justified!

Omentum -> Go ask those families whose lovced ones were abducted in the middle east and beheaded on camera. Sit at their tables and ask them if they think extreme measures are sometimes justified!
Posted by: Mike_C | Jan 21, 2009 10:53:21 AM
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Mike C
We are debating a circular questions
eye for an eye
tooth for a tooth
who took the first eye
who took the first tooth
who invaded who first
who bombed who first
who drew first blood
again the debate we are in circular but the circle begins at a singular point.
where do you see the point beginning?

This needs to be said:
Knowing, now, that Omemtum is a 22 year member of the Marines gives me immeasurable respect for him. The Marine Corps is and always has been our first line of offense/defense in any engagement. When an LZ needs to be secured, it’s the Marine’s that step up and do it. In both Afghanistan AND Iraq, when my sons were part of any kind of invasion (yes, they’ve been to both places) the Marines have led the charge.
I can assure any and all of you, as a 22 year member of the Marine Corps (which would make him either a high ranking NCO or officer. Either way, he’s leading men and women and loves every single one of them), this poster has probably witnessed more death and dying than any one person should have to realize in one lifetime.
No one, and I mean NO ONE has the right to give this poster any grief at all. He’s been on the front lines for 22 years and counting, serving his Commander in Chief, whether he agreed with them or not. That’s the role of the military, to answer the call, no matter what, because their primary function is to defend their country and their Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and domestic.
Semper Fi, Marine. I support you all the way.
***Side Note to Omemtum*** My husband is one of the primaries on the Fire Scout UAV, of which the Navy will be the first branch to use, which means the Marines will see action with it. If this UAV saves just one life, I am proud of the work my husband does. I am proud, too, that you could be one of the people he saves.

“You’ve spent your life living on the fringes of the military and have no real understanding of walking the walk”
Nancy,
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!..I DO NOT!
No one can possibly fully understand it unless they are in your shoes. I just get tired of liberals like Omentum trying to speak for military families in such general terms.
That is the point I am trying to make to all these liberal couch potatoes who seem to think its just a matter of saying we play by these rules, always and forever.
It is like getting into a boxing ring knowing your opponent will hit you below the belt, kick you & hit you when your down…all the time your going to fight by the rules of the ring.
These people think that if they were ones in that ring, they would never ever break any rules, no matter what the enemy did.
I just want to say to you and all your family members that have served, THANK YOU!!!

Nancy…Funny, you begin your non-answer by saying I don’t understand. I’ll ask you again…How will Obama undo what has been done? You say by pulling out before the job is done? What is the job, babysitting the Iraqi’s for the duration of time? The REAL,”job”, awaits us in Afganistan. While our troops have been in Iraq, the taliban, and Al Quieda have strengthened their ranks in Afganistan and Pakistan. You know Pakistan, the country with the nukes, and unstable Govt.? Now tell me, again, how I just can’t understand…

“22years Marine Corps/Navy and now presently serving awaiting that call to be loyal to the commander in cheif and carry out the orders mandated to me”
I kind of doubt it if you dont know what ‘carpet bomb’ means.

Mike C
My apologies for being a little irate but this is a very sensitive button for me.
I serve because I LOVE MY COUNTRY, MY COMMUNITY, MY FAMILY. I have taken an oath to carry out the order of the commander in chief – no matter my opinion or logic or religion or etc.
This country has issues but it is worth fighting for.
This is not a political thing. It is about seeing my children growing up in a safe country.
If Iraq struck us. I would say let their heads roll. But they didn’t sir …. they didn’t…..
The country that struck us has went under the radar for so long….. too long….. is that justice.
My loyalty to the Commander in Chief and this country is paramount here.
With chaos in the military, we would fail before we begin. That the reason why it is set up that way. But by no means are we a group of minions brainwashed to believe one thing.
We fight first and ask questions later. I have an opportunity every four years to decide who should lead me.
Success.

Omentum,
No problem…I have worked for many defense companies in my career, and do my best to provide the best technology possible for the defense of this great country.
The best words spkoen yesterday came from Colin Powell about the need for partisan politics and the need for heavy debate over the issues of the day.
It is the best thing about our country…we can have spirited debate over the issues, without fear of being killed by the government for speaking out.
Again, You have my THANKS!

“just maybe some the guys took up arms when their village was carpet bombed.”
So where is this carpet bombing? You posted stories of non-carpet bombing but claim to know the difference.
If you want us to release these guys on your say so, because MAYBE they were motivated by some carpet bombing is it too much to ask WHICH carpet bombing?

“just maybe some the guys took up arms when their village was carpet bombed.”
So where is this carpet bombing? You posted stories of non-carpet bombing but claim to know the difference.
If you want us to release these guys on your say so, because MAYBE they were motivated by some carpet bombing is it too much to ask WHICH carpet bombing?
Posted by: BertieW | Jan 21, 2009 12:17:49 PM
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ok BertieW UNCLE
Your ignorance has forced me to retract the word “carpet”
now there
but the significance of my statement still stands. way to try and take eyes of the real issue.

“but the significance of my statement still stands. way to try and take eyes of the real issue. ”
This is why I doubt that you are in the military.
Carpet bombing assumes that everything in the subject area is an acceptable target.
The distinction that I would expect someone in the military would make is for a targeted strike like Aaytha is:
- was the target invalidly cleared
- was there a mistake in weapon deployment against the wrong target
- was the intelligence that cleared the target was flawed in the first place
If you knew what happened in the Aaytha case you wouldnt say “this is an exampled of the the US military going in willy nilly blowing everything in its path up”.

“but the significance of my statement still stands. way to try and take eyes of the real issue. ”
This is why I doubt that you are in the military.
Carpet bombing assumes that everything in the subject area is an acceptable target.
The distinction that I would expect someone in the military would make is for a targeted strike like Aaytha is:
- was the target invalidly cleared
- was there a mistake in weapon deployment against the wrong target
- was the intelligence that cleared the target was flawed in the first place
If you knew what happened in the Aaytha case you wouldnt say “this is an exampled of the the US military going in willy nilly blowing everything in its path up”.
Posted by: BertieW | Jan 21, 2009 1:10:45 PM
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I serve to preserve your right to voice your opinion.
Thank me.

“I serve to preserve your right to voice your opinion. ”
Dont military guys usually say “Sir” when they are being high hat with civilians?

I say set them free ROR!
Free Khalid!
No justice no peace!
(just not near me, ok?)

I’ve been following these so-called trials and all I hear about is the torture. America is supposed to be better than that. I really don’t know if these people are guilty or innocent and I am just glad that I do not have to judge. I do not believe they are going to get a fair trial here and I’m not sure where they would get a fair trial. We just cannot let them all go though because we just don’t know what crimes they have committed. This is a very difficult situation for the new President. Let’s just see what he can come up with. I’ll be waiting for his resolution to the issue.

Well Guess What Americans have believed a lie, there is nothing unusual about that. This Obama is not african american, he is half white,raised by a white grandmother, his biological mother is white, his dad is Kenya,what ever that is. This man has many faces. I believe we are in for a ride. What do you consider african america?

What is fair and just treatment in the time of war and to the people that do the things like the people in Gitmo. I mean like how do they or would they treat a prisoner. Okay people they just cut off their heads and pull their dead bodies through the streets.I think they have received decent treatment in Gitmo.
I am just beside myself about all of this.
Obama is half white and half African. Not AfricanAmerican. To answer the question what is AfricanAmerican. To me I think of an AfricanAmerican to be some one who comes from a heritage of slavery. And Obama can not relate to that because he does not have that sort of heritage.He should have never been able to run for office much less be in office.
Hitler did have the same charm as Obama and look at what Hitler got away with. We just need to make sure our voices are heard by our senators in Washington. Keep their emails full and keep their phones ringing so our voices can be heard.
Have any of you seen the comments that Donna Brazile made to Charles Gibson about the blanket she took from the inaguration that belonged to Obama. It is on the ABC news site somewhere. I think this womana owes all the American people an apology.. God help us all. God help us and bless America..

Wow, the number of people who comment without reading an article is amazing.
Nowhere does it say Obama is releasing the prisoners at Gitmo by closing it down. Read.
Did you know according to our Defense Department that 86% of detainees at Gitmo were not arrested by our troops but by Pakistani and others when they were offered a huge bounty for suspected terrorists? Great idea for accuracy, offer poor people money to turn in anyone they didn’t like. No wonder more than 700 of the original 1000 have been released because there was no proof of crimes.
And of those 700 released how many terrorists did Bush’s policies create by unjustly imprisoning them for years and torturing them. How about their families back home, deprived of their husband’s income and protection at a very dangerous time, how would they feel after losing their innocent loved one for years to prison life?
The U.S. is supposed to stand for justice, innocent until proven guilty.
Thank goodness our current President understands this.

“Anyone who works in law enforcement knows ya’ can’t violate the law to enforce it. Someone should have told Bush and Cheney. In the process of prosecuting the “bad guys”, Bush and Cheney became criminals, too.”
Posted by: Sammy
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Lets say I got the drop on bin laden but the gun permit that I have expired yesteday.
Do I break the law to bring him to justice or let him go to committ more atrocities.
I think I’ll go with Bush and Cheney on using common sense to fight, not adhered to some law that doesn’t make sense in that situation.