President Obama to Overturn Ban on Funding International Family Planning Groups That Provide Abortion

how about providing some prevention as well, like the injection to stop you getting pregnant, iud’s the pill, the day after pill, don’t leave abortion as a last resort

HEy what about ADOPTION. It is a win win situation. Couple gets a child and birth mom is able to complete her education etal. ADOPTION is a love thing.

did Clinton, etc., do this after taking office, too?
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Yes, CIinton signed this same order.

Yes, signing the order yesterday would have been too combative. Waiting 24 hours to allow out taxes to be used to fund abortions worldwide is perfectly reasonable. I applaud President Obama’s foresight in this. By waiting one more day, he has ensured that anti-abortion advocates will support him 100%.

Thank you President Obama for keeping the government away from my wombat.

TrueBlue – the ONLY opposition I have to this is ABORTION (the MURDER of children). There is no other word for obortion except murder. This murdered child could have been a great scientist, a great author, a great painter, etc. etc. Abortion is murder no matter how you try to play it.

I’m impressed. Bush is such an idiot that his first act in office – THE VERY FIRST ONE – Was to cut funding to clinics who mentioned anything other than Abstinence. Not even condom distribution was okay. How many people around the world suffered HIV and other infections due to lack of education under that tyrannical dictator?

abortion is horrible i agree…..i made very sure by me behaviors that i never found myself in the position of an unwanted pregnancy BUT for all those up in arms about those who do need to be able to have an abortion: are you offering any way to help support a child saved from being aborted ? do you not realize that forcing an an ill equipped parent to raise a child for 18 years is no small task ? or is it just the fetus you care so passionately for but not the child ? anyone offering up free medical care for the child free diapers free day care ? no that’s right i didn’t think so

Wonderful, not only will the number of innocent lives killed every year increase-but I have the comfort of knowing I’M PAYING FOR IT! A very sad day indeed.

You should call it what it is .When a doctor practically carves out your stomach ,and calls it a tummy tuck.This goes the same as the ones calling murder ,family planing.If they were really planing a family they wouldn’t ,Catie bar the door and we will worry about the consequences later when they are pleasing themselves.
What if we found a island somewhere that was inhabited by very small (4oz to 5 lb) people .They were living off their environment and growing up to be very small productive members of their society.If we went in and stomped them we most likely would be tried for genocide.

There are alternatives to abortion that and their are many pro-life organizations that help women. Pro-life folks have put their money where their mouth is. The pain and guilt of abortion haunt many women for the rest of their lives, but thankfully there are better alternatives available for those who seek it.

Whether your pro choice, or pro life, the fact is that our taxes should not be going for this. I would rather have it paying our nat’l debt, or to food banks…anything except paying for foreigner to get abortions!

Soooo…I thought we were going to stop all the wasteful spending? But we are going to fund foreign abortions? And you guys worship at this guy’s alter?

Gee…we are broke in this county, but hey we can now start to give money for this. I am not talking the family planning or abortion as those are two different things not one in the same. I am purely talking…we have small resources right now and we are going to do this…..

Well Done Mr. President. Sanity makes a comeback!
Please issue another EO that federal funding be returned to US programs that promote real sex ed too, not just abstinence! It is sad that our current teenagers that grew up in the past 8 years did not have crucial education like this, and more access to condoms and birth control.
Pro-lifers should agree on this one, if you want to reduce the amount of abortions, common sense tells us we must offer the pills and condoms.

Hey True Blue, you start family planning before conceiving. You don’t conceive and then say, I need to do family planning and abort this baby. Abortion is not family planning, dummy, it is murder of an innocent child.

People – please recogonise the difference. We already send funding to these programs overseas, just not the ones that offer abortion. Now those places (which offer family planning and abortion) can apply for aid as well.

I’m not “pro-abortion” (the term anti-choicers insist on) but no method of birth control is 100% effective, and women who simply don’t want to carry a pregnancy to term should have safe, legal options. Adoption is fine, but again, only if the woman WANTS to go through with the pregnancy.

I feel that everyone should have a choice. Now people will say you are not giving a fetus a choice. My question to those people is a fetus able survive without its host? At this time I do not know of a procedure that will allow you to take a fetus and put it in another persons body for survival. There for the only way it can survive is with the original person. I do not think we are doing anyone any good even talking about a fetus as a person unless we have the ability to have it survive on its own or by changing the person it can live off until it can survive on its own.

Look at it this way guys. I’m pro choice. For the past 8 years I’ve had to pay for something I didn’t believe in as well. See how this works?

Finally we get a president with intelligence and understanding. This is so long overdue. The right is just concerned because once we get back on track with responsible leadership there will be less idiots out there (hopefully). If this had been an option all those decades ago maybe we wouldn’t have had a moron in charge for the past eight years. For those of you who oppose it, stay out of a woman’s bedroom, bathroom, medical records, etc. It is no one’s business but a woman’s and whatever higher power she believes in – no matter what!

Actually I’ve had to pay for tons of things I didn’t believe in for the past 8 years. A huge war comes to mind as well. Where we killed children. But nobody seems to care about them.

I Have to responce to the what if they were raped .Because this sineiro keeps coming raising its ugly head.How many baby producing rapes are there annually.We are not talking about a couple of hundred abortions we are talking about THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of innocent lives lost because of the, I gotta get me some, butt shaking, at any cost nowadays sex morality and I’ll get me another abortion if I get pregnant mentality.

Abortion is MURDER! I’m leaving my Federal job so I wouldn’t have to pay taxes.

The people who run these agencies have been doing without my taxpayer dollars for 8 (count ‘em 8 years.) At a time when the government is “bailing out the economy,” our infrastructure has to be rebuilt, and all of the other necessities that we have to pay for, this seems a fiscally irresponsible use of taxpayer dollars. They’ve done without our money for this long – where is the substantiating evidence that they suddenly need it now?

NOTE , THAT ALL PRO-ABORTION BELIEVERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN “BORN”. SO WHAT’S UP WITH THAT ??

PERHAPS if mostly MEN didn’t owe approximately 70 BILLION in back child support in the US we’d have fewer abortions?

SadCitizen – Actually yes, the way to reduce the amount of abortions is to provide family planniing – which is condoms, pills, day after, etc. Which is what these places offer – they just also happen to provide access to a Dr for an abortion – not even pay for the abortion.

Save the terrorists – kill the unborn. Why is it only a “baby” when it’s wanted? I resent MY tax money being used for this! Great first week in office. NOT!

“You still have no business determining the fate of the lives of other women. That is what Pro-Choice is all about.”
WHAT????!!!!????????????
This is how evil and twisted these so-called human beings are! Does she have the right to determine the fate of the child she wants to SLAUGHTER! And it is NOT a choice! If it were, than what is the choice of the baby to live or die? And choice is a word used by these satanic souls blinded by the devil instead of what it really is, MURDER! In the end, you and your leader, the devil, LOSE!

Well…these “choose lifer’s” need to do one thing above all else…choose to mind their own business…if they’re against family planning and abortion…then it is their choice….but they have no right to interfere in the lives of others…i’m so sick of their nonsense…
Take your own advice. Pro-Lifers don’t want their money paying for other people’s choices, that is the ‘ultimate not interfering in other peoples business’ and it’s called freedom and self determination.

Tony – Yep – how did you know? The devil personally told me this in our secret conversations.
WHAT????????????
I don’t think it is me that needs help.

Thank you Mr. President.

I am always amazed how the same group that wants to save the unborn is more likely to defend the death penalty for adults. If you are pro-life as you claim, spend your energy supporting adults on death row.

I love all these murderer supporters who make up all these names to hide what is the killing of a baby. They bring all kinds of ridiculous arguments, paying for other things, etc etc. It comes down to the truth. Good vs. Evil. Right vs. wrong. Light vs. darkness. God vs. the devil. God gives you the right to choose to slaughter your own children or not. Obviously, a lot are deceived by the darkness and will use any argument to justify their evil ways. Just as the gays and their supporters do. Choose God and eternal life or the devil and eternal death but just do not keep asking why so many disasters, the economy stinks, the world seems at a crossroads etc, and wonder why. The ignorant do not see.

Mary Lou – It is not a person it is a fetus, one that is not capable to surviving on its own.
It is not a disease, but women can still die during childbirth. If a women is forced to have the baby when she wanted an abortion and then dies in the process, can the other party then be charged with murder?

Heh. Reading this stuff … same old screams, same old lies. … A recent story had researchers asking family planning protesters the question “If abortion was illegal, how much prison time should be given to women who have one?” Few of them had an answer. They’d never thought about it in that way.

Tony, The bible speaks on poverty (which lends to more abortions I might add) over 2000 times. How many verses on abortion? Oldest abortion? 500 BC. A feel good law won’t stop them anyway. If you think that the only reason the US is currently doing badly is abortion? Using your theory it seems to me that you are missing MANY sins taking place in the US. MANY.

Here’s another thought Tony. Isn’t it just as much a sin to turn your back on your child by not paying child support as say the other woman that chose to abort? So, wouldn’t you say men area equally as sinful here? I see no difference. But then again, I was taught all sins are equal. I don’t cherry pick.

I am a medical doctor who has been working for around a year for Save The Children, US on a project in Pakistan called FALAH (Family Advancement for Life and Health). This is a USAID funded project and several NGOs as well as Health and Population Department are consortium partners in this project. This project basically aims to decrease population rate by introducing birth spacing as a health care intervention. The New Mexico Policy which has obviously been followed has been considered a serious hindrance in the success of the project. Because on the whole the population is very poor. Whether it is the public or the healthcare staff, all of them would be satisfied if given some kind of compensation. By overturning this law, I think a smooth way to the success of our project, as well as other similar projects around the globe has been paved.
Every passing day, I become a more staunch fan of Mr. Obama. And I am optimistic about his promise to steer the US out of the debacle it is today in.

I miss George Bush already. When is the revolution? Heck, the Founding Fathers revolted over taxes on tea. Surely forcing us to pay taxes to murder innocent human beings is worth a revolt.

It amazes me how those against abortion are not as proactive in there own right. How many of you have signed up to adopt a kid who is without parents? Or a child who’s mother is contemplating abortion! Where are your efforts to take on that responsibility personally?

Is it me, or do we now have a group of people convinced that due to abortion it is the single reason the US will now fall from grace?

If you can look at this story, and this ultrasound picture of a baby in the womb, and still deny that it is a life and it is ok to go in and pour in a solution that burns the baby, or to go in and tear its head and limbs off and suck it out with a vacuum and throw in the garbage as if it was nothing more than trash, and still try and pass off all these insane arguments for it when it comes down to either kill it or not, then God help you and this barbaric, immoral society. One woman who saw these pictures who was going to kill her baby said:
“She looked at them individually again and she said, ‘I can’t abort this baby.’ ” Bobbie said. “She said, ‘I was thinking about aborting this baby. I thought it was just a tissue. And, look at this.’ She was pointing to the fingers and the eyes.”
Then, the woman began to cry and the print shop fell silent. In this unpredicted, uncontrolled, unbelievable encounter, a frightened pregnant woman saw the truth about abortion and the truth about life. And, without any type of a sermon being uttered.”
As Bible says, there will come a time when what is considered right is wrong and vice versa. Boy is that ever true today. Peace and have a nice week-end!

Tony. The largest group of poor in the US? Single moms.

Pamela – We should revolt over innocent lives lost? There is a certain war going on I am thinking of….hum, your buddy George started that one. How I wish we had enough courage as a nation to revolt against him sooner.

how about abstinence! or how about thinking about your consequences before you act! it is not the unborn childs fault that their mother is irresponsible. birth control is not that expensive and using abstinece is FREE. and to MG–who are you to say what an unborn child can or cannot become? it seems funny that people can always afford what luxuries and vices they want to indulge in. sorry you think having children is a burden. there are plenty of people who can afford to take those burdens of your hands. these are all God’s children and he does not make mistakes. we make the mistakes by the choices we make.

Has anybody noticed that all these pro-abortion believers have been “allowed” to be “BORN”!! What’s UP with that ?? It “IS” definitely our business when an “injustice” is committed against our fellow human beings , IN THIS CASE THE PRE-BORN / the THIRD PARTIES’ introduced into a couples private relationship . It is no longer the couples “life” – alone !! It’s that forming babies’ “life” that must be protected !

For a President who chose to to include God in his speech he sure is in a hurry to allow people to dump inconvient babies. That is following the word of God? I see this as another example of speaking one thing and doing another. This is easy leadership. Its easy to say yes. Its much harder to say no. Obama so far as said yes to all the things that his faith should have said no to. Its harder to choose life because then you have to figure out how to deal with the life you said yes to. Its hard but its the right thing to do.
So we have another jelley spined President.. Oh well.

Human Rights – VERY well said.

IM NOT A MURDERER, HAVE YOU EVER HAD AN ABORTION? WELL I HAVE & ITS NOT THE HAPPIEST THING TO WITNESS & HAVE DONE, SO SHUT UP PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO CLUE!
I WAS 15 YRS OLD & GOT PREGNANT THE FIRST TIME I HAD SEX! SURE, I WISH I KNEW WHAT I KNOW NOW, BUT THINGS DONT TURN OUT THAT WAY, WHEN YOUR A TEENAGER!
IT WAS AN AWFUL EXPIERENCE, BUT IF I HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, I WOULD DO IT AGAIN!
THE FATHER WOULDNT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CHILD THEN OR NOW!
I WAS ON BIRTHCONTROL AFTER THAT FOR ALMOST 28 YRS, WHICH WAS LATER FOUND OUT THAT IT WASNT THE BEST THING TO DO EITHER. I HAD MY FIRST CHILD AT AGE 18 YRS & RAISED HER ALL BY MYSELF, WHICH WAS A VERY HARD THING TO DO, WITH NO HELP! I AM NOT COMPLAINING, BUT I DID THE BEST I COULD WITH MORALS & VALUES! I HAD MY SECOND CHILD AT AGE 28 YRS, I WAM & STILL MARRIED & FOUND IT EASIER TO HAVE A FATHER INVOLVED IN OUR SONS LIFE! SITUATIONS ARISE & WOMAN HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM & THEY DO! NOT EVERYONE IS AN AWFUL PERSON, BECAUSE THEY CHOOSE TO HAVE A CHOICE IN THIER LIFE!
WHAT ABOUT THE MEN THAT NEVER PAY CHILD SUPPORT, LIKE MY DAUGHTERS FATHER? HE HAS NEVER PAID A DIME & NEVER WILL! YELL AT HIM, HE DESERVES IT MORE!
A FETUS IS A FETUS, WHICH IS DEVELOPING & NOT YET DEVOLPED. OH MY GOSH, I WAS BAPTISED CATHOLIC, & GOD TELLS ME THAT I AM GOING TO HEAVEN, NOT HELL!
I LOVE & BELIEVE IN GOD!
IF YOU HAVE NEVER HAD AN ABORTION, THEN YOU REALLY NEED TO SHUT YOUR MOUTH, CAUSE YOU REALLY DONT KNOW HOW IT FEELS OR WHAT ITS LIKE!
QUIT BEETING UP & CALLING NEWS PEOPLE NAMES CAUSE THEY ARE REPORTING THE NEWS!
NON EDUCATED & EDUCATED PEOPLE SAY VERY STUPID THINGS, BUT WE ALL HAVE OPIONIONS, NOW DONT WE!

The people who oppose abortion show great concern for a fetus (that is not yet a child!!) but little or no concern for the real undernourished and starving children in this world. They seem to want to add to the numbers of starving, dying children.

I would like to remind all of you guys highly against this that any woman doing invitro has several abortions at a time. You might want to hurry up to get that procedure outlawed.

Susan, I don’t beleive that “abortion is the single reason why the US is falling from Grace”. I beleive it is a HUGE reason because GOD created that baby and with him the women could have it and take care of it I did! But no it’s not the only reason a few others would be… homosexuality, murder, idols, adultery, etc. the list goes on and on. But we can only fight one battle at a time!!

Stop crying because you lost the election 3-1! At least have the courage to admit you want President Obama to fail as Rush Limbaugh does. Now there’s a winner!

THIS IA AMERICA, LAND OF CHOICE!

No Stacie – Again, the bible mentions poverty over 2000 times. OBVIOUSLY it’s the huge message? Yes that one is never at the top of the heap here? Again, poverty means more abortion. Now, are you guys serious about lowering the number or just on a soapbox? It appears to be a soapbox.

be responsible of what we do,that is a solution to the problem, we just have to be more realistic and contraceptive pill/condom abd ABSTAIN are available option so it won’t go beyond abortion which i am sure is very painful emotionally and physically…more so psychologically….

Scientifically and empirically a human person is a human being at fertilization. We all began that way. The only difference between you and an embryo is size, level of development, environment and dependency. It’s discrimination of the worst kind because these little ones (fetus means little one in Latin) are completely vulnerable and should be protected by their mothers, fathers and the society around them. What kind of hope is it to tell a woman that she has to kill her own child to get on with her own life? It’s no hope at all and no change. So we will be the hope and we will be the change, those of us who love life.

I’m pro-choice… you have the CHOICE to have sex in the first place so you DON’T get pregnant when you don’t want to so you don’t NEED to have an abortion (and in cases other than rape it works 100%! What a concept!) Family planning does NOT include abortion – family planning happens BEFORE intercourse and conception – so it should not be used in that context in this article. I don’t personally agree with contraception but it’s a much better alternative than abortion. Go ahead and use my tax dollars to fund that, but PLEASE do not let MY tax dollars be used to kill innocent children, regardless of whether you think it’s your “right” to do what you want with “your” (but also the unborn child’s) body. This is disgusting.

We don’t have enough food to feed our families, but the President will lift federal funding (our tax dollars) to support killing kids in other countries? Someone please explain!!!

Barbara, please learn a little about politics before your decide you know something.
The “present” vote is in effect a “no” vote, but it is a “no” vote that sends a message. The “present” vote is used by lawmakers in situations where they agree with a bill in spirit, however the current version of the bill is not good enough to vote “yes;” either it is too expensive, it is inadequately planned or funded, or it has riders or earmarks attached that are entirely inappropriate.
A “present” vote is taking a stand. In fact the “present” vote says more than if the Senator had just voted “no.”

is this the HOPE for america?

We don’t have enough food to feed our families, but the President will lift federal funding (our tax dollars) to support killing kids in other countries? Someone please explain!!!

I didn’t vote for Obama but this IS the right move. People need to be free to make ALL of their choices. I am a Goldwater Conservative that believes the government needs to have as little as possible role in American’s lives (Fiscally and within their own bodies).
All of these people who try to force a woman to have some kid she does not want (and would probably resent if she did) need to back off. There are enough children already in this world that they could be trying to support through adoption and other programs. Instead they ignore these unwanted kids that WERE brought into the world, and focus on trying to bring MORE unwanted children into the world.
I support Obama on this & hope that I get to keep saying this in the future.

So then “Joe” I take it that you are a vegetarian?

Day after pill.
No one knows if conception happened.
Also if it did no one knows if the body would flush it out or accept it naturally anyway.
This way the pro-choice people can accuse the pro-lifers of trying to play God if they don’t approve of this method. Only God knows if the conception happened or if it would have attached to the wall. Not the pro-lifers.

Look people…first of all….ABORTION IS NOT MURDER. In case you people haven’t noticed….. lately more and more women are actually committing murder agaisnt their newborn babies because of all these Pro-Life jerks standing outside the womens clinics talking them out or the abortions that they want. I feel that all women…in every country…should have access to information regarding abortion…..then THEY should be able to make the choice….not some fool with a picket sign screaming bible verses.

Living large, you’re just factually wrong, and no, you don’t get to make up your own just to suit your argument. If you’re going to make pronouncements about science, at least take the time to learn some. Take a course in embryology, or least read a text on it.
For starters, not all of us began life as an embryo (see my post below). Also note that lack of a functioning brain is ample reason in all states to terminate all life support, because without a brain THERE IS NO PERSON. Also note that by your argument, the molecules in the food your parents ate is different from you only in its “size, level of development, environment and dependency.”

Last time I checked…it takes a male sperm and a female egg to make a baby. If men do not want the responsibility of taking care of a child, maybe they should reconsider engaging in intercourse.

Abortions actually declined in the US under Clinton. The began to go up under Bush.

I’ve never understood calling the killing of a being that is non-sentient, non-feeling, non-thinking, non-emotional, etc, murder.
It may be a human in the sense of having human genes, but it is not yet a human or person in the sense of having the qualities that we cherish in humans (which I listed above). A baby, OTOH, does have these qualities, and that’s the difference between killing a baby and killing an embryo.

Joe, just a brief explanation. Countries such as Africa have pandemics from Aids to Ebola, and extreme poverty. Now, if a woman becomes pregnant, (which I agree shouldn’t have happened to begin with), and is poverty stricken, ill, her life is in danger if she delivers, and/or this baby will not survive if born for more that a couple years due to malnutrition, then as a member of the human race we need to help. Unless, you are willing to give up some of your income to feed and take care of the child.

Its time that we work together to reduce unwanted preganices and STD’s through proper education of birth control, abstinence and other family plannint methods.
having a child is very personal family decision that does not need government involved in making for them. This has been one of the GOP’s biggest contradictions in their policies and platforms.

I have studied embryology. You can’t be serious. It’s only your desire that the embryo NOT be human that clouds your thinking. Every textbook on embryology and biology marks the beginning of life at fertilization. That’s when the DNA combine to make a unique individual and the cell begins replicating that DNA at an incredible rate. That was you, that was me. Don’t dissemble about the facts.

Hey Mike, are you feeling frustrated? Because America just keeps getting worse and worse…wanna know why? Because we are getting further and further from the TRUTH. But all this was told about in the Bible. Read it, it might interest you on how much of it is REALLY coming true.

The Pill = abortion,
How do you know the egg is going to attach to the wall?
If you can’t tell me that, then you don’t know the women is pregnant.
If you think so then God is the bigest baby killer of them all. Fertile eggs flow from women everyday naturally because the body rejects it.
Are these women baby killers?
Are all the women that miscarrie baby killers?

The issue is not whether you see abortion as right or wrong. (As far as I’m concerned, that decision lies squarely between a woman and her God.) The issue is whether or not a government, the US government or any other, has a right to pass laws regarding my reproductive organs.
Men, how would you feel about federally mandated vasectomies?
This is NOT up to the government to decide.

The Christians should adopt more children and have less of them then. Like the Christian state senator from Arkansas, Bob Duggar and his wife who had 17 kids. Yes, the world is over populated and children are starving, so why add 17 more kids when you could have save 17 from abortion instead.

Jaylah, well said! Great analogy!!

Abortion is murder. This guy named Peter posted he wanted to celebrate an abortion his girlfriend is having. Either this is bs or he is too evil and low IQed to know any better. Sad. Wow. Someday after he is dead, he will see his own son or daughter that he had murdered.

1-Human:Why can’t you do your own research. Do a websearch. Planned Parenthood has publicly indicated as such. And as far as a “present” vote means taking a stand, that is nonsense like most of the things you have been posting

I don’t want my money going oversees for something like this!
Majority, over 90%, of abortions are not from health and rape anyway…

You can argue this til the cows come home…truth is gov should neither fund nor interfere with this very personal matter…PERIOD.

Susan said; “Jesus was far more tolerant to so many of you.”
Check your bible Jesus: is not tolerant at all! Christianity=AWFUL!
Matthew 10:34-36;”Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.” (Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other)
Luke 19:22-27; “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.” In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn’t sow. The parable ends with the words: “bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me.”

Stop spending my money fool in the wrong places!

Susan, I don’t know how many times it’s mentioned. And I totally agree that it is between the women and God, and she will have to answer to God at the pearly gates of Heaven. Just as I will for my sins. But I still have to take a stance against it, because I don’t think it’s right and it’s against my beliefs. And yes poverty is a huge issue that God cares DEEPLY about, but I’m not sure how that applies here. By the way to everyone reading this…I am NOT casting judgement if you have had an abortion, God Loves you anyway!!! My mother had an abortion at 17, she is now allmost 60 and it still haunts her in her dreams. She now longs to meet that baby in Heaven.

I feel it is a womens choice but at the same time do not feel that the tax payers should have to put up money for this plus to get to the point the woman who originally was part of roe verse wade wanted it to be reversed . also we have a new president get off the band wagon and put up with it quit blaming bush for everything remember blame should also be placed on our congressmen and our senators now I would be in favor of them not being allowed to give themselves raises and for them to start paying into social security.

All of you, pro-choice dudes, should thank your mothers for NOT looking at you as just fetuses and inconvenience in life. It’s because of their appreciation for HUMAN LIFE, you still exist today!

Let us not put our own thoughts of right and wrong above GOD.To do good and to save life rather than do evil or to destroy life. Light and darkness cannot be equal.Abortion Kills and this is darkness. Post

CHANGE????
Looks like Obama is just doing the same thing all the last presidents did since Regan. Real change would be to stand up and say “I THINK THIS MONEY CAN BE BETTER SPENT ON OUR OWN CITIZENS”

Effective family planning reduces the number of abortions and saves lives. The Global Gag Rule created a culture of fear among family planning organizations receiving U.S. funding, a chilling effect that went far beyond the letter of this misguided rule. I am reminded of the story of the African woman who was bleeding to death from a botched abortion and was turned away by a family planning clinic afraid that even directing her to life saving medical care would be a violation of the rule and cause them to be defunded. She likely died within a mile of the clinic. They were wrong, of course. The rule wasn’t intended to prohibit that sort of help, but they were paralyzed by fear. Unfortunately, the thread of comments here underscores why this issue is so difficult – the anti-abortion absolutists won’t bring themselves to admit that family planning reduces the need for abortion. We might disagree on the issue of abortion, but we should all be able to agree that reducing unwanted pregnancies will reduce abortions. And make no mistake, this rule was never about directly funding abortions with U.S. international assistance – that is prohibited with or without this rule – it’s about hurting the organizations that provide abortions or even mention abortion as an option even if 90% of their work is counseling on child spacing, birth control methods and positive prenatal and postnatal nutrition and behavior. Learn the facts before just default to your hackneyed talking points.

After reading a lot of these comments, I feel like I am in church. Anytime there is a story that has the word abortion in it, people go crazy on both sides.

I am neither for nor against abortion. I consider the issue a private matter left to the woman and her conscience. But, one thing I find puzzling is why the baby in the womb never cries. Only when the baby comes out of the womb before it utters that shrill, loud cry. Does aytbody have an answer?

One woman facing the prospect of a child she can’t support or abortion is an individual who must make that difficult choice and suffer the memory and any lingering doubts for a lifetime afterwards.
A population in which a large number of teen pregnancies and other unintended pregnancies happen and in which back-alley abortions could occur is a public health issue, for which leaders must provide social services for a diversity of circumstances. Public leaders cannot prevent these abortions of desperation, so even if they disapprove of them, it is their obligation to allow safe abortions and counseling for alternatives to protect the health of these women, who are often teenagers, poor women, and women in other dire circumstances. Simply to ban abortion ignores the reality of what will happen to large numbers of people. Prohibition ignored the reality that people will drink alcohol, so it was better to make it legal and regulate it.
There is a difference between individual moral choice versus the responsibilities of leaders to the public health of a whole population.

Stacie – Poverty is one of the biggest reasons there are so many abortions. Most middle class and up choose to have their babies. So it’s huge. Basically many women get if they “choose” to have that baby they’ll likely join the ranks of the poor for years (as everybody demonizes all entitlement?). So it affects it. Combine that with a lackluster attempt to get men to pony up what they owe? It all fuels it. BTW, I can’t name a soul that would not say “Sure, let’s see if we can get these numbers way down.”

Obama says the US will not torture?? What do you think woman that have abortions are doing to those poor help less babies……TORTURE!!!!

I also do not appreciate people bashing my Lord Jesus Christ- You people are so good at picking out pieces of scripture to try and make a point, however it just goes to show how ignorant you are. The Bible is a book, not a collection of catch phrases! You have to read the whole thing to really understand what has been said. Jesus did not mean that everyone is to hate their family members, what He was trying to get across is that to truly be a child of God then you may have to turn against any evil being purported by a loved one.
He also said to love one another – so we never hate anyone-even murderers, we may hate their actions but not the pperson.

thank God. As a tax payer I am stuck paying for Bush’s war, I’m stuck paying for his programs that push abstinence only, which i do NOT support, not only do I think it’s not effective, it has been proven to INCREASE teen pregnancy rates, so really, shut up already about not wanting your taxes to go to clinics that provides abortions. It’s has been economic blackmail to say we’ll ONLY help you pay for birthcontrol if you dont perform abortiosn. It is not money TO pay for abortoins, it is money going to clinics that also PROVIDE abortions. IT was a way to financially try to eliminate access to abortions. I’m surprise such a ruling wasn’t illegal. One thing (the funding) had nothing to do with the other (abortions)

Thanks Obama…first 2 orders of business are as follows 1) Make possible terrorists lives a little easier and 2) Make sure our money is going to aid in promoting abortion overseas. Sounds like he has personal agendas before public ones. Way to go Obama!!! I bet next he will sign on a provision to have “Obama Day”!! Most people claim Christians are self rightous…this guy is #1 in his world. I’m moving to the moon.

Obama is endorsing a RACIST policy advocated by his handlers here. USA should not be advocating abortion for nonwhite children in third world countries under the disguise that it is “humane” to do so. How disgusting that American taxpayers are funding such practices under Obama!!

Friends: A human life begins from the very moment conception takes place. This fact cannot be disputed. Therefore the conclusion of the whole matter is abortion is murder and the shedding of innocent blood. The cries of the unborn go unheard.
Solution > stop living promiscuous lives in fornication and adultery because 98% of abortions take place with unwed women.Man & women want the sweetness but dont want to face the consequences.

Stacie, What you call “convenience” I call “walking in another man’s shoes” and I refuse to go there in judgement. You have been a pleasure to debate this with, and it’s amazing how two sides can differ and have a good conversation without calling names if they try! :)

If a woman chooses to abort the baby in her womb, she will face the emotional and possibly physical consequences of that decision on her own. I don’t think she should go to prison for her decision (unless it is a late term abortion), but I do wish fewer woman made that decision. What really concerns me is that we are in the middle of an economic melt down in this country and our president wants to send money to foreign countries to fund these acts? That is irresponsible in the extreme.

Mr. President, are you killing your own race? Posted by: GK_1970 | Jan 23, 2009 11:06:16 AM
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GK, you’re going to have to be a bit more specific here. Since P-BO is half white and half black, which race are you asking him if he’s killing?

what667, the reason babies don’t cry in utero is because they are receiving all life sustaining functions through the mother, via the placenta.
Prior to the delivery of the baby, its lungs contain no air. No air in the lungs means no air to expel from the mouth…which makes it physicially impossible to cry.

LOL, Michelle, send that woman to prison, but you go right on believing that you’re pro-choice if it makes you feel special.

IT’S A “HUMAN”- ZYGOTE/FETUS/EMBRYO NOT A VEGETABLE OR MINERAL !!! WHAT WERE WE ALL IN THE “BEGINNING” OF OUR LIVES – HUMAN – ZYGOTES/EMBRYOS/FETUSES & up to 9 mos.in Utero ?? NICE that our parent’s decided to give us “former HUMAN – zygotes/fetuses”/”embryos’& up to 9 mos. in Utero – that GIFT of being born. Thank God ??? THAT you were born so that you could defend the RIGHT of future human zygotes/ fetuses/embryos’& up to 9 mos. in- Utero – to be destroyed ?? Aren’t we fortunate to have your “COMPASIONATE” mentality towards the pre-born beings ?? Women dying from pregnancy is not a “common” reality . Pregnancy is a “natural” biological condition otherwise you wouldn’t be here to argue the killing of living “human” zygotes/fetuses / embryos & up to 9 mos. in – Utero. Don’t think we are being unconcerned about problem pregnancies. Hence our skilled dedicated OB /GYN medical doctors’ practices’ and moral medical decisions with rare but “extremely” difficult pregnancies . Quote some stastistics concerning a “hypothetical” case of a woman dying after being “forced” to carry her baby (fetus/embryo) to full term ! Don’t just create an “imagined” situation which would give surgical- abortion some sort of justification. I’m positive a doctor would allow such a choice and not FORCE any woman to carry her pregnancy to full term IF his professional opinion was to terminate the pregnancy to protect the life of the mother. BUT there have been many cases where women have not died – going against the doctors professional advice and the outcome was good for both mom and baby. There are also cases where the mother has decided to carry the baby to full term knowing positively she will die but willing to give her life up for the child. it

Obamas is just like every democratic president before him…thought he was going to be “different.” A President for “everyone.” This does set the tone of what is to come. It is sad that abortion is used as a form of everyday contraception. If it was your “choice” to have sex, why does the baby pay? There are consequences to your actions. Think ahead before you spread!!!! Sorry, just angers me when people are reckless and take a cowards way out…step up to the plate and be responsible…for your own self-worth and for the baby that you decided wasn’t worthy enough to see the light of day.

I have seen a number of deliveries in my life and believe me it is the most beautiful sight one could see as that new life emerges. How could one even think of destroying this life, this great gift. We do need to offer assistance to women who cannot afford to support a child or give an opportunity for a family to adopt one of these little ones. We do not have the right to take a human life.

What do all you “pro-lifers” do once these babies are born that you so passionately protect in utero. Are you volunteering in countries where these unwanted babies are born into horrid conditions? What about here in the US, do you support programs that help teenage moms or social services to help poverty stricken, abused kids? If not, until you have walked a mile in someone else’s shoes, keep your religion and opinions to yourself or get active and help those “fetuses” once they are here!!!!

This is not an increase in money being spent. It is simply changing the rules on money already spent or promised. Which they have done for years and will continue to do.

Call it what it is……Almost everything is underdeveloped before it becomes what it is intended to be. Whether you are Christian or not, you have to think that things don’t happen by chance. You said only a small part of a long sequence oof events that have to happen for this “underdeveloped human” to get to the stage where they are being terminated. Plus, isn’t an “underdeveloped human” still a human? Is a kid with down sydrome an “underdeveloped human”? Is kid born with no legs not human because they are “underdeveloped”? My two children were born early with undeveloped lungs…are you telling me they aren’t human because they didn’t reach full human status? At what point is a human a human to you? Heartbeat? There is a heartbeat at 3 weeks.

I will listen to the voices that oppose a woman’s right to control her own body when those same voices adopt all unwanted children and work for more funding for the abandoned and abused.

I don’t think anyone should go to prison for having an abortion- they will have to deal with the consequences someday anyways.

“NICE that our parent’s decided to give us “former HUMAN – zygotes/fetuses”/”embryos’& up to 9 mos. in Utero – that GIFT of being born”……actually, had I never been born, i’d never know. Had my brain never matured to cognizance, i’d never be aware of any of this. To me, my mom came first. it was her life first. Had she chosen not to develope me, well, she gets to choose that. Would i Think that woudl be Ok? How can i not? She doesn’t owe me anything. It was her life first. She owes me no more than all those eggs she never developed who will die with her, or die each month she never developed them. Do they cry that thye were never developed? They know no better. They have no cognizance. they are just part of her body. Why do act as though thank GOD you were born?? why? If you weren’t born, you’d never know. Life for everyone else would go on just fine. They’d never miss you because they never knew you. It would be a shame my kids would not exist, they are wonderful people. But because i had my kids does nto mean my wife and i are obligated to keep developing every egg she has every month. Those potential kids die every month. She has thousands of eggs. Two will live. That’s it. Tough cookies for the rest. I dont see that as much different to tell you the truth. drama. it’s all drama. you people dont even think logically about this stuff. eggs are alive. sperm are alive. I actually feel a little bad we kill them. You say life ‘begins’. Oh shut up. it does not. Development does.

I am with Dano,
Put up or shut up pro-lifers.
If you not helping the unwanted kids that are here, then you should not be advocating getting more of them.

One of my biggest problems with the so-called “pro-lifers” out there is that they continue to show — by their actions — that they believe life begins at conception, AND ENDS AT DELIVERY.
They scream in protest at using tax dollars to fund abortions, but they also scream in protest at tax dollars spent on programs to help support the resulting children. They think Medicaid is too expensive. They look down their noses at the food stamp program. They shop at BabyGap, not Goodwill, thank you very much.
This country already HAS thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of children just waiting (and desperately hoping) for homes. But they aren’t BABIES, you see. They’re children. Toddlers or grade-schoolers or teen-agers. Nobody wants to adopt them, everybody wants a newborn.
So I thing you could make an honest suggestion that pro-lifers actually just don’t want to lose their baby black market. If they manage to get the government to pass laws against abortion, it allows them to continue the increased newborn production. If those newborns are born crack-addicted, or with birth defects, and don’t get snapped up in their first couple of months, and end up living out their childhoods being passed from one foster home to the next, they are willing to turn a totally blind eye to that.
The fact of the matter is that there are FAR more babies born in this world than there are homes for those babies.

USA should not advocate abortion for NONWHITES in third world countries. This is simply wrong. Period.

Mary Lou, you are discussing pregnancy in a developed country. It doesn’t work that way for women in the Third World where pregancy can just as often mean death or chronic health problems as it can mean a new baby.

…..”.Almost everything is underdeveloped before it becomes what it is intended to be.”…UNDEVELOPED. The sperm and eggs are undeveloped as well. Undeveloped as in, you look at it, someone asks you “what is it?” and you can’t answer. You can’t even indentify what it is. THAT is undeveloped. A human embryo, a chicken embryo and a frog embryo are all put in front of you. Which one is human???? you will only be correct 33% of the time. put a frog, a chicken and a human baby in front of you, ask you, which one is the human, you will correct 100% of the time.

Susan, just what the heck does race of pregnancies have to do with this discussion? If this discussion was related to a comparison of out of wed pregnancies, then maybe your comment would have been warranted. After 8 years of expanded racial, social, and economic divisions created in this country, I think it is time to bury the BS and start thinking on point for once.
Now to the subject of this article: While I am opposed to abortion, I support a person’s right to choose it if it is in their and the unborn child’s best interest. And not knowing everyone’s situation we can not say what is or is not in their best interest. So, if a family planning organization can prevent such situations by providing education and contraceptives (even if they are not 100%), then we should financially support them. It is the right thing to do and so much is at stake.

“When women,as they often do spontaneously abort in the first few weeks-nobody holds a funeral. or investigation.”
Again…do not be ignorant. There is a HUGE difference in a woman’s body naturally rejecting a fertilized egg versus a woman who chooses to reject her fertilized egg. I am not taking a stand as to whether abortion is right or wrong here…I have my views and that is that, but that comment is just grasping straws. No need for it.

There is no question that minorities get more abortions in the USA than whites. Also now we want to export it to other poor countries and advocate it for nonwhites. Colonialism in disguise and Obama is falling for it. This is wrong.

*Fight to outlaw the largest source of abortions first, the pill and IUDs!*— one flaw… they are not the same as abortion… the pill and iuds prevent an egg, a cell, from attaching to the wall.. where as abortion destroyes the fertalized egg, a cell.

The pill = abortion, how can you tell if the egg is going to attach to the wall?
You are assuming it will as you say life begins at conception.
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——-one flaw… they are not the same as abortion… the pill prevents an egg, a cell, from attaching to the wall.. where as abortion destroyes the fertalized egg, a cell.

I don’t think she should go to prison for her decision (unless it is a late term abortion)
I don’t think anyone should go to prison for having an abortion
Which is it, Michelle: prison or no prison for late term abortions?

I am very disappointed in President Obama. I feel that we as a country have bigger issues to fix than having our tax payer dollars fund abortion. Abortion is MURDER and for all you people on here who try to say it isn’t well you are simple wrong. All of you oppose the war in IRAQ and the deaths associated with the war need to look at the numbers of lives lost daily to abortion. In one day abortion kills more babies than the amount of lives lost in Iraq. This by no means diminishes the lives lost in Iraq however to kill over 4,000 babies A DAY! IN THIS COUNTRY! Is APPAULING and reckless!!! You want choice???? THEN TRY Abstinence or protection! Two choices that PRO-choice supporters fail to PUSH or mention.

ThePill Equals – You should add invitro as “mass abortion” as well? They fertalize several eggs, implant them, and most often none take.

It’s pretty much plain and simple in my mind. What my wife does with her body is between her and her doctor and is NONE OF THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS.

I intended to support him a 100 percent, but this one I can’t do. It’s one thing to support a woman’s choice but it’s entirely another to expect us to finance abortions in another country. I am very disappointed in his decision.

Here’s how I see it:
Until both the heart and brain start functioning together in an unborn child, the child is nothing more than a part of the mother’s body.
If there is a God, the soul is almost definitely thrust into the unborn child upon the first firing of brain cells and cardiac muscles.
I’m of a scientific nature, but this seems to me the best compromise. In other words, any abortions after both the brain and heart work may be better off banned, but any abortions prior to this point are fine, including the pill (which isn’t actually an abortion. It’s forcing the body rejecting the embryo, which is perfectly fine since the human body does that all the time).

A person that is going to have a hart attack actually attached to the wall.
What your saying is you don’t know if the egg is going to attach. Since you don’t know then how can you call the person a murderer.
I firing squad had several guns and one bullet so we don’t know who actualy fired the fatel shot. Are all the shooters killers. What if the person had a hart attack before the shots where fired. You just don’t know.
That is called reasonable doubt. I our system of laws you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a murder was committed.

Wow, some of these comments are really outrageous.
Family planning is never foolproof. There is at least a 3% failure rate for all birth control methods. I know 5 responsible women who had abortions after birth control failed. So to say all women who get abortions are irresponsible is not accurate. A 3 % failure rate is a lot of unplanned pregnancies.
I firmly believe having a child should be a choice entered into after careful consideration. Only an individual can judge their personal energy, health, finances, etc. There are some people who can have six children and do a wonderful job raising them, others can only handle one child and do a good job. There are some teen moms who do a good job, others are too immature and neglect their children.
Bottom line, this is a very personal choice. Very few women are flippant about it as some here have suggested.
And I don’t buy the argument that abortions being legal results in less children. Teens that have an abortion end up marrying and having kids later. College girls who have an abortion end up marrying and having kids later.
When women all over the world were questioned about how many children they wanted, whether poor or rich the average was 2 to 3 children. The birth rate doesn’t change in countries where birth control is available.
The important thing is to make birth control and abortions safe, affordable and legal so when a woman is ready emotionally, financially and hopefully with a willing dad for the child, she is able to have one.
It takes a tremendous amount of energy, love, money and time to grow a child into a responsible human being. Unless you have a child you have no idea of the commitment necessary. Having a child is a responsibility that should not be dictated by the government but should be a choice gladly made. Glad parents = glad children and then adults.

Anonymous here ya go! As you can see many abortions occur after these dates. Many people do not even realize they are pregnant until after these dates. Abortion is Murder.
Day 22: heart begins to beat with the child’s own blood, often a different type than the mothers’.
Week 6: Brain waves are detectable; mouth and lips are present; fingernails are forming.

What do you mean it’s part of the woman’s body until the heart beats and the brain functions? The embryo has its own unique DNA, distinct from the mother’s.
Even the most radical pro-choice scientist acknowledges that those cells are alive uniquely. (They’ll argue on other grounds that abortion is permissible.)

ThePill_Equals_Abortion wrote “The pill is a chemical attack on fetus, same as poisoning.” Well Doctor, that was an amazing disertation on the Birth Control Pill. But let me enlighten you, “Doctor.”
Birth control pills contain a combination of estrogen and progesterone to prevent ovulation – the release of an egg for fertilization. Hence no egg (ovulation), nothing to fertilize. It also thickens the mucus (that’s vaginal lining in laymen’s terms)making it difficult for sperm to to enter the uterus. That debunks your theory of abortion as “life begins at conception” saying. Possibly you are thinking of the so-called “morning after pill?” But then, me thinks you are a ultral-liberal and probably either have alot of kids or you abstained from sex. Or maybe you just an ill-informed male!!

How about ADOPTION over abortion? You pro-choicers act like every baby that isn’t aborted will end up on the streets. First off, not every mother that would have an abortion now since it is legal now, would necessarily dump their kid if abortion was illegal. They may decide after the birth, that they want to keep it. Then there is also a long waiting list for adoptive parents currently. My brother and his wife are adopting internationally because of the waiting list in this country for adoption. I have a friend had to wait 3 years to adopt! So all you pro-choicers can go stick it with your pathetic arguments regarding these “unwanted” children.

Susan:
Wow. I’ve been reading your posts and couldn’t agree with you more. You’re not going to win in trying to reason with the religious right, but pointing out the inherent sexism in the abortion debate is extremely important.
We must have been separated at birth.

If abortion is indeed a sin (which many question) then the sin falls on the one who caused the problem…the man who caused the pregnancy in the first place…and not the woman. Pregnancies in the world too often fall on the poor who have no intelligent access to knowledge of prevention. The US ends up forced to feed excessive populations who live lives of suffering anyhow and survive only to see their own children endure the same sort of suffering. Why would an intelligent God agree to such stupidity? An aborted soul can undoubtedly be born another time in another place.

Typical. This administration will bend over backwards to make terrorists feel right at home while using MY tax money to kill unborn children. This country is seriously lacking in morals. A baby is a gift, it is a life that grows inside you and it has a heart that beats long before it takes its first breath. How can anyone consider it anything other than murder? When I got pregnant with my son, I was actually asked if I was going to keep it. It! I’m married and this person actually asked me if I was considering an abortion because I was recently promoted. I felt sick then – I feel sick now.

texas outlaw:
A person that is going to have a hart attack actually attached to the wall.
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Agreed. Should be protected under the law.
What your saying is you don’t know if the egg is going to attach. Since you don’t know then how can you call the person a murderer.
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So you would let someone who shot a person having a heart attack go go because there is a reasonable ‘doubt’ he would have survived the attack? I hope not!
I firing squad had several guns and one bullet so we don’t know who actualy fired the fatel shot. Are all the shooters killers. What if the person had a hart attack before the shots where fired. You just don’t know.
That is called reasonable doubt. I our system of laws you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a murder was committed.
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I see. You’re arguing that if someone intentionally give a man that is having a heart attack a drug that induces a fatal heart attack, it can’t be proved anyone killed him.
Sounds like pretty shaky legal ground to me. Then again, I’m no lawyer. On the other hand, I think you would agree the act should be illegal. No?

Taxpayer dollars should NOT be used to fund abortions.
If this is the route society wishes to take, then at the same time the abortion is done the doctor should also neuter the irresponsible woman to save future taxpayer dollars!

Gosh, Obama. You’re humanity’s BFF for waiting a day to rescind this act.
I’ll admit it stings a little less than rescinding it on March for Life day. But most see through the politically savvy popularity stunt. We’re bracing ourselves for your administration.

TrueBlue…..U.S. tax dollars used for Abortions for women in other countries could hardly be called “family planning”.

If it wasn’t enough that we’ve “freely” self-induced the death of nearly 50,000,000 of our own children in this nation since 1973, now we’re going to reinstate a policy that makes us accomplices to the rest of the world. We will never be a great nation, until we stop harming the smallest, unseen among us. Freedom and dignity for all human life, now.

RJ…. yes, you have the right to an abortion, but WE as TAXPAYERS should not have to pay for it. You play, you pay!!

Anonymous,lets conduct an experiment with your “science”.We will have a male and female human, mate.Then you can get some ghost busters to watch the womans belly and tell us all when the baby has a soul.Your science argument is weak, very weak. Go back to school.

When a woman wants a child, it’s a “baby.” When she doesn’t, it’s a “fetus.” Deception is the devil’s energy.

LoveThemBoth (Freedom and dignity for all human life, now.) Does that also hold true to our American Soldiers sent to Die for a war based on lies (Iraq)?
U.S. Confirmed Deaths
Reported Deaths: 4230
Confirmed Deaths: 4227
Pending Confirmation: 3
This does not include the Soldiers killed because of Halliburton’s Spin off company KBR shoddy work.
A congressional report released yesterday blames faulty electrical work by contractor KBR for the deaths of at least 16 American troops in Iraq:

Do any of your pro-lifers actually know how to read???
“the “Mexico City policy,” which prohibits nongovernmental organizations that receive international family planning assistance through the U.S. Agency for International Development from providing or actively promoting abortion as a method of family planning in other countries.”
It says that these agencies ALREADY RECEIVE MONEY FROM THE UNITED STATES. It says that what Obama is doing is lifting a ban so the agencies will be allowed to tell people that abortion is ALSO and option.
It does not say that the money they receive is used for or will be used for paying for abortions OR that any more money will be provided than is ALREADY sent to them.
Please people, quit showing the world just how ignorant you really are.

bo wrote “RJ…. yes, you have the right to an abortion, but WE as TAXPAYERS should not have to pay for it. You play, you pay!!”
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bo, I agree 100%!
If a woman wants to use an abortion as an after-thought contraceptive then she (and daddy) should be flipping the bill.
I like how all these pro-baby killers bring up rape example when debating abortion. What is the actual number of abortions done as a result of a rape in comparison to a drunken night of partying by an irresponsible woman? I’d imagine about 1 for every 10,000.

Reflect08…
Simply put, a human being has all the DNA that is UNIQUELY theirs at the moment of conception. The very stuff that is their IDENTITY as a physical human being. Regardless of the discussion of soul, HUMAN LIFE is there. To discriminate against the personhood of that human being due to development is tragic. Every unique human life has inherent dignity and value from conception that requires protection under the law. What is so difficult about loving mother, father and child?

Quit playing the unsubstantiated race card. I don’t care about obama’s skin color….it could be orange for all I care. I think he is off to a shaky start. He coddles terrorists and kills innocent unborn children. I think his judgment is poor and his actions reprehensible. Period!

Nabe, MD:
ThePill_Equals_Abortion wrote “The pill is a chemical attack on fetus, same as poisoning.” Well Doctor, that was an amazing disertation on the Birth Control Pill. But let me enlighten you, “Doctor.”
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I do not claim to be a doctor.
Birth control pills contain a combination of estrogen and progesterone to prevent ovulation – the release of an egg for fertilization. Hence no egg (ovulation), nothing to fertilize.
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If this was all the pill did, I would not consider it an abortion.
It also thickens the mucus (that’s vaginal lining in laymen’s terms)making it difficult for sperm to to enter the uterus.
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Again, no problem. Preventing fertilization is not abortion.
That debunks your theory of abortion as “life begins at conception” saying.
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Possibly you are thinking of the so-called “morning after pill?”
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There is a third function of the estrogen/progesterone cocktail. It makes the lining of the uterus ‘less receptive to implantation’. This is where I have a problem with the pill and IUDs. A fertilized egg (human life) is actively being prevented from attaching to area it needs to survive.
But then, me thinks you are a ultral-liberal and probably either have alot of kids or you abstained from sex. Or maybe you just an ill-informed male!!
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Ultra-liberal?? Don’t think so. Kids? Three. Ill-informed? Perhaps.
How about you?

1-Human….it says PROVIDING. as well as actively Promoting abortion. Please read the story.

It’s funny how all you “Right To Lifers” change your tune when it comes to the death penalty. Is it because you think that an unborn baby is an :innocent” life and a convicted criminal is not? Who the hell are you to judge? It’s either pro-abortion/pro-death penalty, or pro-life/anti-death penalty. Make your choice.

Just the fact you don’t know the egg is going to attach to the wall is reasonable doubt. You can’t say if it is or isn’t, that sounds like doubt to me. If I flip a coin, can you tell me if it is going to land on heads or tales every time. That is what your saying to these women who decide what pill to put into their own body.

For all you pro-abortion people out there…what if you’re parents decided to abort you?? Why don’t you think of that before judging us anti-abortion folks?? To think that if he signs this, our taxpaying money is going to be funding abortions!! Close your legs or wear protection if you don’t want to bring up an innocent baby into this world and take its life away!!

So instead it’s OK to spend “taxpayers money” to the tune of $1 BILLION over the past 8 years for abstinence-only programs? According to health officials who testified before Congress in April 2008, these programs “had NO positive effect on high school students, and may be a factor in the high rates of sexually-transmitted disease in teens.”

I have an idea. How bout you guys that are so anti abortion start opening your homes tomorrow to unwed mother’s and helping them out?

texas outlaw:
Just the fact you don’t know the egg is going to attach to the wall is reasonable doubt. You can’t say if it is or isn’t, that sounds like doubt to me. If I flip a coin, can you tell me if it is going to land on heads or tales every time. That is what your saying to these women who decide what pill to put into their own body.
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Putting the pill into their body is ‘fixing’ the toss. It’s no longer up to ‘chance’ (or God some would say). This is not a neutral action in terms of the fertized egg. It is an intention effort to make sure the coin comes up ‘tails’ 99% of the time.

Susan. Here’s an idea. Since you are a bleeding heart lib, why don’t you open your home? How about that?

Well, surely they know how babies are made, don’t they? I can’t imagine a woman that can’t feed the kids she has, and watches them starving to death, doesn’t have the sense or integrity to PREVENT have any more, even if it means keeping her legs together.Posted by: anonymous2 | Jan 23, 2009 12:20:12 PM
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Oh, now THAT’s a good idea! Then her husband can divorce her and marry a woman that WILL “open her legs.” Now we have a single mother with 5 hungry children, no bread-winner in the house at all, and he’s off making more babies with another woman!
That surely solves the whole problem right there. Your wisdom astounds me.

So now abortion gets a bailout.
The government now owns our banks, owns our mortgages and owns our auto industry. Why stop here? Let’s just let the government pay for everything. Let them take over the media, the farms, the hospitals, the retail stores and restaurants, the computer makers, the oil companies, the video game makers…. every bite you eat, every game you play, every show you watch, every mile you drive, every child you have will be government financed, owned and operated.
In fact, let’s make it easy on everyone. Just have our paychecks diverted directly to the government, and they will dole out the goods and services you require, as needed. Resistance is futile, they will get your money one way or another. You have no choice in the matter. But the upside is that you will be covered with sweet, sweet government nectar throughout your entire, utopia-filled life. Fist-bumper-in-Chief Obama, Blinky Pelosi, Dingy Harry and their Clown Congress have got it all figured out. Everyone will benefit. Everyone will be happy. You will have no money and no rights, but you won’t need them – they will take care of everything.
Relax, everyone. The shuck and jive minstrel show has got your back.

No I am not God, I never said I know if the egg will attach to the wall. I said I dont’t know. Your the ones acting like you know wheather or not it will.
Only God knows, not you. So stop the persecution like you know.

prm: I vote for L – level of development. The food eaten by a man and a woman is clearly less developed than a person that later develops from the molecules in that food.
I say that we can disperse that food without committing murder precisely because it is less developed.
Do you disagree?

Susan. Your 100% correct. Men have no say. There we agree.

disgusted:
“For all you pro-abortion people out there…what if you’re parents decided to abort you??”
I wouldn’t have cared. Because at the time of a legal abortion, I wouldn’t have had the ability to care – or to feel, or to think anything. And so really *I* didn’t exist yet. The qualities that make me who I am didn’t form yet. True, I wouldn’t exist now if my mother had an abortion, but I also wouldn’t exist if she didn’t have sex at the time she did, or if she killed the egg, but no one would consider not having sex or killing an egg “murder”.

Jaylah, I posed that question to draw attention to the fact that some people have no clue of what they are talking about when the issue of abortion is raised. You have answered the question partly, but I am not so sure if you are aware of the reason why you gave that explanation—which, by the way, I think is plausible. Here is a clue that might help you: Supposing you are traveling to another country to reside in a house that is specifically built for you; but, while on your way, you are told that the house that was built for you has been destroyed, what would you do?

War is looming between Obama and the Vatican.
Obama’s pro-abortion will soon get the attention of the Pope. Stalin once dismissed the pope: “How many divisions does he have?”
…The answer: More than he needs. I might add. It’s bigger than the U.S. Army.
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Oh no, the Pope! Now there’s a BIG DEAL. What is he, who has never been married or, as far as we know, fathered a child, going to do? Send the Swiss Guard, or the Tenth Panzer Division to attack the U.S.?
The Pope is one of the major problems, but let me say that many, many Catholics do not follow his bombastic pontifications and imprecations. It is one of the saddest things to note that while the Catholic Church encourages its members to have large families, it does precious little to alleviate the poverty into which these “souls” are born, wanted or not, loved or not. Just how much of the treasure of St. Peter’s in Rome, and other Catholic treasure houses, has been put to use feeding, clothing and otherwise caring for their suffering millions? And some see the Pope as some kind of avenging “hero”???
Please, most of my family is Catholic; some have used the “rhythm method” (better know as “Vatican roulette”) only to discover that it doesn’t work, while others have had abortions, and others have (gasp!) indulged in sex for the pure pleasure of it, using contraceptives, with no intention of providing the Pope with more “souls”.
I would laugh at your post if it wasn’t so sad and pathetic.

I have the answer to the abortion issue. I oppose abortion and did not vote for Barack Obama, He is however my president now and I respect that America voted for him. I believe we need to put the issue of abortion to a vote once and for all. It is such a heated issue with so many, I don’t think we can let the ruling of the supreme court decide. We should put it to a national vote and then everyone will be able to decide.

well, we can either pay for their abortions now, or pay for their welfare later. whats the difference? …and PLEASE stop talking about god. its so ridiculous. god has nothing to do with conception, sex does. which reminds me, im definitely looking forward to obama reinstating sexual education since clearly we forget that storks dont bring babies!

I personally am against abortion. If it is rule out all together, we run the risk of many doing back alley, in home abortions as in the past.

mojo – And I can see your point and respect your feelings. However, as a man perhaps you could being a movement in “man world” that shames men to pony up more and tune into the children that are born? Or if it doesn’t personally affect you you’re not interested? Largest group of poor in the US are single moms. This clearly means men aren’t taking care of things? Proud of your sex in this?

barrack, just imagined in a short time before your daugher is born, someone goes into michele and start the process of killing your baby.
If you can live with that, then you’re exactly the person we thought you are.

Susan. No. A man that will not provide for his family, is not a man.

I was raped and don’t give a rats ass what you think about my abortion. When you’ve walked a mile in mile shoes than your opinion will count until then you know what to do.

It all comes down to choice doesn’t it? I for one do not believe abortion is the answer to reducing poverty, nor do I believe abortion is acceptable in God’s eyes. In the bible God gave all people a choice to make their own decisions, abortion is a sin, murder is a sin, lying is a sin, ect…. I also believe when we make bad choices, we pay consequences. I do therefor have a problem having use of my taxes to pay for them. I do not have an answer as to how we can rectify this delimma (my spelling is horrible). I am so happy that God is loving and forgiving. I guess what I wanted to say here is it all comes down to choice, we could encourage the best solution and then step back and let the women make her choice.

lmk: “well, we can either pay for their abortions now, or pay for their welfare later. whats the difference?”
Or, they can PAY FOR the abortions THEMSELVES, or WORK and EARN their OWN MONEY later.
Why do you automatically assume that the hard-working taxpayer is automatically responsible for EVERYONE ELSE’S welfare? You Libs crack me up. The little brat hasn’t even been BORN yet, and already you’ve got him on the welfare rolls.
Here’s the solution:
-Make abortion legal, but the person having the abortion is financially responsible for it.
-Eliminate welfare and make people actually EARN their own living.
-Prisoners and/or their familises should have to pay for their prison sentences – - rent, food, etc.
-Make capital punishment legal, and make the criminal and/or his family finance his execution – NOT the taxpayer.
Tough solutions? Well, we live in tough times. TOUGH.

mojo – Then GET MAD? See, the thing is this argument is still entirely too sexist? You guys still view it as a testosterone sporting event and then say women should close the legs? All the while you don’t argue for equal pay, nor get angry that so many are deserted and left with all of this responsibility? THAT is what most angers me about this argument. I do clearly understand though, how those of you that feel it’s wrong hate your tax money paying for it. Tho at the same time most that say this yell about entitlement as well. We can’t win here?

goodusername
You’re missing the point…everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the fact of the matter is that it’s MURDER to kill an unborn child. I’m glad your parents didn’t decide or think of aborting you.. In my eyes..abortion=murder

I never got an abortion, but I almost did. From a disfunctional overly strict home, starved for affection or caring of any kind, I was very attractive and sure enough boys were on me constantly, showering me with love, love?? what’s that??? never heard of it uttered to me at home! I was 18, soon over my head with a domineering boyfriend afraid i was pregnant. I was 100% sure I would abort if I was. I wasn’t. Here I am, 25 years later, that boy friends turned out to be a total loser, has been arrested for beating his wife, can’t keep a job. I however, finished college, earned a good degree, have two kids of my own with a WONDERFUL husband whom i met in school, after I grew up, grew beyond my poor town, my poor upbringing and my lousy home. what if I had that abortion? Would I regret it? dear God no! I would be saying Thank GOD! I am not forever entangled with the loser, my husband would not have never looked twice at some uneducated single mother, I would never have him, I would never have my kids. I would have never gotton my degree. My whole life would be have been a train wreck. I read this, and I remember where I was in life, and I understand why girls do it. My luck gave me my second chance, but if some girl needs to do what she has to do for HER to survive past a bad time, then she gets that call. selfish people. walk a mile in someone’s shoes. YOu dont care for poor girls trying to get out of poverty, who have never been said a kind word in their life, manipulated by overbearing boys, who cares about them! Cry for some bunch of cells that has no capacity for thought or feeling or pain. yeah, that makes sense. I think you’re all just holier than thou conceited idiots. Dont flatter yourselves. You’re not saving anyone, you’re actually actively trying to hurt girls. You’re not saviors. Your oppressors.

Susan. I’ll take your advice. However, my two brothers, who divorced, took care of their ex & their kids up until the kids turned 18. My brothers are still doing for their kids now, but not for their ex-wives. I am single, never married.

Wow! Was his mind on this the whole time! Not even three days into his presidency and he does this?! This doesn’t make any sense at all. I would think that the economy should have his full attention. Oh well..don’t blame me..I voted for McCain!!!!!!!!

as far as i’m concerned:
yes, unplanned babies happen,
yes, rape and incest happens,
it’s still a human being who has been conceived through no fault of their own. they all deserve a chance at life. you did, i did. how many answers to world problems have been thrown away in garbage cans? if people would get back to family life, alot of this would end. men, be the fathers and husbands you should be, women, be the mothers and wives you should be. Love each other, take care of each other and be there for each other.
yes, i know that we have to work, but as i get older, i have found that “stuff” doesn’t matter.
when i was first married with 3 small children, my life was simple and happy. then we got into the swing of materialism. then i got seriously sick and almost died. guess what matters? my family. thats what it took for me to see that. I hope for you to see that.

President Obama,
I believe that the right to human life supersedes that of a woman’s reproductive rights. I am fiercely against you using my money (tax dollars) to contribute to such immoral actions as the elimination of human lives. You must certainly know that all babies begin with the union of egg and sperm. There is no other human being who has the right to willfully terminate that innocent life.

“the fact of the matter is that it’s MURDER to kill an unborn child. I’m glad your parents didn’t decide or think of aborting you.. In my eyes..abortion=murder”… the problem with you people is that you use emmotional conjecture as fact. Sperm and eggs are just as alive as a fertlized egg is, yet removing an egg from your body is perfectly legal. Killing sperm is perfectly legal. In fact, since slavery had been outlawed, it is not legal in this country for one person to try to force another person to do manual labor with their body against their will. When sperm and egg meet, it starts DEVELOPMENT. Put a frog, chicken and human embryo on a table in front ofyou and ask, which is the human, you will correct only 33% of the time. PUt a frog, chicken and a baby on a table, how often do you think you’ll hit which one is the baby? You equate a baby with an embryo and that is just incorrect. All drama aside, you literally could not identify the human. The human has NOT BEEN DEVELOPED YET> It does nto exist. Just like when you 8 years old, your children you will have later in life, they dont exist yet. They are not. The question is, should you, or anyone, be allowed to force to develope and birth a human against their will. Is any women obligated to develope every embryo? how about every egg? Eggs die every month. Is contraception murder too? Catholics say it is. These are religious questions. Conjecture. theory. Is stopping development the same as killing? Logically, I woudl say one has to ‘be’ in order to be killed, the definition of ‘be’ would be, to a logical person ,that the beign has selfawareness. Seeing that an embryo has no selfawareness, i’d say, it doesn’t even know it is, it has no sensation of pain, or even thought, then I’d say you cannto call stopping it’s development murder. but that’s me, and hey, dont let logic get in teh way of a good drama rant.

i do not want my tax dollers spent for someone who is exercising there legal right to end another human beings life. if President Obama won’t protect the smallest of Americans, what makes you think he’ll protect the rest of us?

fizzy – I still don’t get why in 2009 we don’t have a pill men can take. Well, yes I do get it. They don’t want the responsibility either. They should come up with one. And then deny insurance coverage for years to pay for it.

One last thought. TV programs like FOX’s “Two and a Half Men” only serve to exacerbate the situation by ridiculing the idea of sexual responsibility. To my mind, the sooner that program, and some others on other channels, goes off the air, the better.

pretty soon your going to be hunting for rice to feed yourself ,when the dollar is a fire starter.you will blame some of the 29 year olds on wallstreet driving the sports cars or the FED but The same God that’s been sending the hurricanes ,tornados and fires,not to mention totally disproved global warming to MN residents, will be the cause…you could dig up all the presidents and it won’t help!

People r so ignorant…Although I dnt agree with abortion..I think it shouls be upto the women..who r we to judge..ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE..All I have to say is i support my wonderful president and he whos never sin throw the first stone…
“I didnt think so”…..

“I am fiercely against you using my money (tax dollars) to contribute to such immoral actions as the elimination of human lives”. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but your tax dollars also go to fight wars where, get this, innocent children are being killed daily.

STOP TALKING ABOUT GOD!!!!!!!!!! WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TAXES!!!!!!!!!!

Here’s a possible solution:
Since we as tax payers get to elect on our w-4′s our tax qualifications, why not add a separate box to check to specify ProLife or ProChoice. Box #1 for ProLifers and Box #2 for ProChoice. If you do not believe in abortions, then check Box #1 for ProLife, then nothing gets taken out of your paycheck and your taxes ARE NOT used to fund abortions. If you believe in abortions, then check Box #2 for ProChoice, and funds WILL be taken from your paycheck and your taxes will be used to SUPPORT the abortions you are in support of.

so why put parents in jail for the murder of thier children? whats the difference? a couple of weeks? why, they aren’t developed yet. they just have their fingers and toes, but hey, what the hell, i don’t want to take care of it. what is wrong wtih you pro choicers? all it boils down to is convienence and money

I can never understand how someone can be pro-murder. How can any sane, rational person possibly think it’s OK to kill a baby just because they don’t want it or it’s an inconvenience or whatever. Life is always precious. To destroy innocent young life for selfish reasons is particularly heinous. Rationalize all you want, it’s just wrong.

susie….
I LOVE MY GOD. MY LORD AND MASTER!!!!! I LOVE GOD!!!!!
THERE HOW IS THAT FOR TALKING ABOUT gOD?

PRO Choice = You the Person make the Choice. Either to have an Abortion or not.
Pro Life = FORCES thier view on others no matter what. (Dictatorship)
Look what happened to Kids now a days since goverment stepped into our households and said you can not discipline your children or CPS will take them away. Government taught our children to disrespect authority, blackmail thier parents.
These same Pro-lifers sit on thier high horse and want to enforce thier will on others, all a while spouting how they hate the welfare system.
No body has a right to tell you what to do to your body, unless they are paying your way.
I do not believe in Abortion, but I will not tell someone they have to follow my view for IT is thier CHOICE!!!!!

Once again, everyone will have different beliefs, views, opinions about this topic. But, the fact of the matter is that to MAKE Taxpayers fund Abortion is downright inconceivable!
P.S Life begins at Conception
Abortion is still Murder doesn’t matter which way you look at it.

to uscitizen -
so whats the deal? us pro lifers have to be “forced” to pay for what we don’t belive in. where’s my “choice”

Ok Susan..sterilize the lot of them. No more silly than my tax dollars going for abortions!

marie – Your choice is the same place my choice was with the Iraq war I was against from the beginning. Along with many other things I don’t agree with either.

God blessed everyone (even those who do not believe in Him) with life. Everyone has been granted natural life from a natural conception to a natural death. Human beings have abused life by killing each other: killing of spouses, parents killing their children (ex. Caylee Anthony), 9/11 Tragedy, lynchings of african americans, killings at high schools,colleges, and places of employment, just to name a few. All these killings are illegal, immoral, unjust, and disrespectful to the gift of life. How can abortion (genocide of innocent babies) be “ok” and remain legal?
Roe vs. Wade has only lasted for 36 years. Humanity has been on this earth a whole lot longer and has survived. Norma (Jane Roe) has NEVER had an abortion, but has three beautiful children. She was a young woman who was confused and pregnant with her 2nd child. Her name was used to legalize abortion. Her video can be seen on VirtueMedia.org under Ad Portfolio–Television–Norma(Jane Roe). Norma is a Pro-Life supporter.
Chastity is the only way to live until one marries and that does not involve abortion. Many people are chaste. If boys/men and girls/women are not ready to have a child, then they should not be having sex!! Educate your children!! No sex=No pregnancy. Contraception is also a form of abortion. It does not allow the Natural Conception of the baby to happen. Natural Family Planning is FREE and a natural way of planning your family size without abortion, nor contraception.
Adoption is the only way if the the birth parents are unable to raise the baby or if there was a rape. There are so many couples living in this world who cannot have babies and who would love to raise these babies. My parents were one of these couples. They adopted me and my sister. Now my husband and I have two beautiful sons that God blessed us with.
Think about the problems with social security. There are a lot of senior citizens and not enough of working people in our society to contribute to social securtiy. Most of our seniors grew up with many siblings (6+)in their families. Every generation since, there has been a dramatic decrease in family size (2 children or less). That is not enough people to work in order to support social security. Abortion and Contraception have contributed to our problems. Contraception has side effects. Look it up on the internet. You even hear the side effects listed on the TV commercials. Abortion and Contraception goes against Natural Life.
Today Dr. Alveda King, niece of Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., and supporters will be leaving 1400 roses and praying at the White House to represent the 1400 African American children aborted daily. Dr. King is the daughter of the late slain civil rights activist Rev. A. D. King and Naomi Barber King. She is a Civil Rights Activist and Pro-Life Warrior. (kingforAmerica.com) Her whole family were and still are pro-lifers. That is MLK,Sr. and his wife; MLK, Jr.,and his wife; A.D. King and his wife.

Marie commented….>i do not want my tax dollers spent for someone who is exercising there legal right to end another human beings life…..Marie, My tax dollars have gone to a war that I didn’t want that has ended several human lives… But,,, for the 7 years… there my tax dollars went along with with many other tax dollars…and is it just American lives or any human life…Cuz… then our tax dollars also have for years gone to other countries in the shape of weapons that again kill human life….
if you and people like you care so much about human life and helpless human life then why are there still so many children even here in American that are unwanted and suffer physical and sexual abuse.
No child should be born to a parent who does not want them…

That is right! God said ‘thou shall not kill’. So right-wingers: How does this relate to starting a mismanaged war in Iraq that killed thousands and thousands of civilians, -men, women and children?

Katwoman – There’s something equally just as “wrong” with mass steralization?? Kind of a slippery slope. I didn’t say I had all the answers. I just said they’re not remotely on our level. Actually I’m a firm believer that poverty is where you will trace back a whole boatload of problems. So, we need to teach them how to feed themselves, etc. Tho they have rogue governments that abuse them and keep them impoverished.

In our country, we fortunately have, as part of our Constitution, the right to live and raise our families as we see fit within the realm of the law. I am sick of zealots trying to make everybody else live a zealots life style. Did you not learn anything from the Salem Witch Hunt fiasco? If your beliefs don’t permit you to have an abortion, then don’t do it. Don’t break all kinds of other commandments to control other people. What are those acts that have broken many commandments? Well let’s see. Anti-abortionist have: meddled in others affairs, judged their brother, committed murder, destroyed property, gotten involved in political affairs (separation between church and state), etc, etc. Mind your own business. Just make sure you are acceptable before your God. Leave everyone else alone to stand before him themselves. You zealots may be surprised to find who makes God’s ‘Good List’. God bless Obama for seeing this.

‘If this is the route society wishes to take, then at the same time the abortion is done the doctor should also neuter the irresponsible woman to save future taxpayer dollars!’
TampaGuy, you are hilarious!
I’ve got a better idea though – let’s neuter the men instead. After all there’d be no pregnancy to worry about without their valuable contribution.
I’d be really interested to know how many of the pro-life posters are men. In my opinion, they don’t have the right to a say in the debate. Let the people who have to carry the babies to term and live with the consequences be the ones to make the decision over whether or not abortion should be allowed. I have a feeling the ruling would be pretty decisive.

one person cannot take care of all the unwanted, but many of us together could.
but you won’t. it gets left up to a small group of, what did they call us? “dogooders”. the missions, people who help there. where are you people? anyone out there at least trying to end some of this? if you are not trying, then you have no right to complain.

I just don’t think I (my choice) should be required to pay for something that I don’t believe in.

If Obama’s mother decided to have an abortion 47 years ago, we wouldn’t have this discussion. Too bad she wasn’t successful in teaching him her belief system.

mary, I think your comment brings up a very valid point. I am glad life worked out well for you after your rocky start.
Of the two girls I knew in high school who kept their babies without the support of the father, they never married. They didn’t go on to college but were forced to get low-paying jobs. And the point you made that your husband would never have looked twice at an unwed uneducated mother as dating material, is unfortunately the attitude of most men. When I tried to introduce my single men friends to my unmarried friend with a baby, they were interested in meeting her until they found out there was a child. Most men want a long romantic period and to be the focus of the relationship and that just isn’t going to happen with a child.
Those who think teens should have children are showing they don’t care about the teens life at all. Or the children she would have had if she had a chance to marry.

marie, my tax dollars are paying to kill innocents in other countries thanks to GW’s war in Iraq. Not of my choice. Hey Ideal flash here, if you do not like how your tax dollars are being spend by the USA why not move out. PRO-LIFER’S kill Doctors and anyone in the area when the bombs blow up. Or they shoot a Doctor has he is having dinner with his family right in front of his or her kids. So people of PRO-Choice, the PRO-LIFER’s are do as I say not as I do.

To Kell… You think your 1 year old can’t live without you? Seriously? If you died today…that baby wouldn’t be cared for by a foster family or the government? You really think that your baby will be left to starve? And you think this country is backwards because of abortions…I say to you if you aren’t intelligent enough to know how our system works…maybe it’s you who shouldn’t have any more kids. If you don’t want an abortion….then don’t have one. I don’t believe that life begins at conception. You are forcing your beliefs on me. I’m not forcing my beliefs on you to have an abortion…so why should you be able to do that to me?

I have been reading what you all are saying but whether you believe in God or not, one day YOU will meet God and all he will see is the blood dripping off your hands from the sins of abortion. Whether you had one or not, if you voted for anyone that is pro-choice/pro abortion you will have helped in the killing of the innocent children. If so many of you are for abortion it is amazing that any of you had kids of your own.
We are going to bring down on us the JUSTICE of God for the sins of abortion and the babies being butchered are crying out to God.

logic301 tell that to the women and young girls that are raped. What they asked for it?

does “god” exist in third world countries or just in your middle-class suburban homes? you people talking about god have no clue about the real world. you hide behind god because youre all weak. youve probably never even left the country. get real… go out and see whats really out there. i did. its mind-blowing how people really suffer.

I see all these comments about wasting tax dollars on abortions… WAKE UP PEOPLE. It’s a lot less to have the government pay for an abortion that it is to care for that child after it’s born. Most or at least a large percentage of people who have abortions are underage, single, already on welfare or all three. Adding additional children to the mix only adds to the burden of tax payers. A teenage kid that doesn’t have an abortion is far more likely not to finish HS much less go on to college. Which means she’ll make even less. That means less taxes generated from her income. Regardless of your position on abortion…using the argument that it’s costing us tax dollars to fund this is an invalid one…

logic301,
you think that baby that is born at 25 weeks ( yes abortions are done that late) can not live? My nephew was born at 28 weeks premature and is a healthy 6 year old now!

marie-
at least we have the knowledge that He is a just and merciful God

With a president who does not know when life begins because “It is above my pay grade”, so he says, what do you expect? Just look at the videos with his speeches addressing the “Planned Parenthood” orgs around the country and the promises he made to them. This is just another assault on family values. I repeat this is NOT the most pressing issue in our country? However, Hussein is running true to form….he wants to be all things to all people, so come 2012, he would have covered all constituencies………….it’s more of the fraudulent politics that got him elected. Open your eyes people, stop gulping down the koolaid.

@USCITIZEN_04: Abortion should never be a solution! In the worst instances, “raped mothers” should give birth and give up their babies for adoption.
We, as a society, should provide them with the maximum support! Who knows, maybe during the 9 months period, they will learn to love their children and want to keep their babies! Let’s give mothers and children a chance to love each other!

Chuck S: Maybe YOU should wake up! There are hundreds of thousands of American couples who are waiting YEARS to adopt a baby. If we encouraged women to give their baby up for adoption instead of just the “convenient solution” to their problems, everyone would win. The government wouldn’t have to pay for anything, as most of these couples are willing to pay the birth expenses and all legal expenses for the birth-mother. If I were you, I’d thank God your mother was pro-life. I was born to a teenage mother who married my father, and they have been happily married for more than 30 years and I had an idyllic childhood! Everyone at the time encouraged my mother to have an abortion. I, and my parents, thank God every day she didn’t make THAT “choice”!

Hmm, My body my choice! Simple as that! BTW: For you christians and pro-lifers who think you shouldn’t have to pay taxes that support a womans right to choose. I made the choice not to have any kids, I haven’t had an abortion but I have used birth control, and condoms that my sister told me about so I wouldn’t! I was educated and made smart decisions! You idiots don’t want them to know how to prevent early pregnancy but you also don’t want them to have abortions, yet seeing a 15 year old in church on Sunday is despicable and worthy of your harsh words and staring eyes! Also, nine times out of ten it is your daughters that are too ashamed and scared to go home and tell mommy and daddy of the bundle of joy arriving and it is your daughters who seek abortions for fear you will find out! It is the daughters of every single one of you who used to seek back alley abortions and DIE from infection because mommy would die if she found out and daddy would kill her if she even told him she’d had sex! GET REAL PEOPLE! GET REAL! I pay taxes that help your brats go to school! (Why am I being punished for you being breeding machines!) I pay taxes that help your daughters get WIC and Welfare when you kick them out!

Joe M.
Most people believe in God, so should that mean the rest of the people should have too because the majority does.
Many laws are made to protect the minority.

There sure is much mis-informaiton on this post. First, the BC Pill does not ALWAYS prevent ovulation. No pill is 100% effective at preventing ovulation. Therefore, an egg and sperm can unite and form a human being when a woman is on the Pill. The fetus will probably not live since the Pill also may prevent implantation. That is why the Pill is an abortifacient. For those who beleive life begins at conception, then using the Pill presents a problem. Yes, I do have a doctorate degree. You can also look up the information on the AMA or FDC websites too.

Mallory, I am so sorry to hear of your sad experience. When those pro-life people didn’t leave you alone even when you told them your baby wasn’t alive is one of the stupidest, cruel things I’ve ever heard.
I don’t know if this will help you but most women have a few miscarriages, because their babies died. I felt so lost after mine. I hope you can have a child because you truly want one.
To me, blaming God for our triumphs or our tragedies is wrong. There is so much in life that is random like accidents, genetic defects, even why we fall in love. My belief is He doesn’t control each and every little thing but is there for each of us if we ask for guidance and strength.
Your point about a pregnant woman not taking care of herself if she doesn’t want the baby resulting in damaged children is another point that is ignored by the pro-life people. Just a few alcoholic drinks can severely damage the brain of a fetus, not to mention taking drugs. Having a child should be a choice, not made lightly, but one made joyously with the energy, finances and love to do the job well.
I wish you well Mallory. And if children are in your future, whether yours biologically or if you foster care and then adopt, I hope you enjoy the experience. And if children of your own don’t happen, remember how much a loving adult matters to every child, whether a relative or neighbors. Some of my favorite memories are of my aunt reading her encyclopedias together. And a neighbor lady who taught me to grow flowers after I admired hers.

Chuck S – I disagree with 1:53:07 PM comment. My opinion is that making abortion the cheapest and easiest option means a person does not have to take responsibility for their actions. As I stated earlier, I don’t want to ban all abortions, but I do want to make it more difficult and expensive. There is very few excuses for becoming pregnant accidently repeatedly in a country with all the birth control that is available.

Robin, just because someone is against abortion doesn’t mean that their views are strictly from a religious viewpoint. Abortion is murder plain and simple. Support it all you want!! obviously you have some sort of “dark” issue with religion. You don’t have to base all prolife individuals on being religious maybe some people just have a conscience.

Anyone who disagrees with President Obama overturning this ban must realize that lecturing poor, uneducated women in other countries about abstinence does not prevent abortions. The concept is NOT to promote abortions, but provide education, health care and access to birth control. For example, in Zambia, the nation’s leading family planning organization lost 24% of its funding because of the Bush era gag rule and it had to reduce education programs, clinic-based health services and community outreach to poor rural areas. The Zambia program was not able to send much-needed contraceptive supplies to smaller NGOs and government health centers. Desperate women faced with an unwanted pregnancy turn to dangerous unsafe local abortions.

Ok, I hear all the pro-lifers and Obama haters yacking about their ideals here.
What do you suggest. We do nothing for these people? Your all talking about how merceful your God is, but want to critisize the people that are trying to do something about this totally screwed up situation.

Here’s food for thought!
Remember the Roman Empire? Remember how it went down? It was the corrupt politics of Herrod and his cronies. Their great love for their power and their riches.
When they heard of the birth of a new King they panicked and the decision was made to destroy the infant.When they didn’t succeed by trying to use the wisemen who saw through the evil of their plan, they took matters into their own hands. Remember the slaughter of the innocents? All the children in the land under 2 were destroyed in an attempt to muder the infant.
Remember what happened next?? God was so sick of the evil they perpeturated He withdrew His grace and allowed their enemies to take them down.The Roman Empire ceased to exist because of the innocent ones.
WAKE UP AMERICA!!! The parents of this world are killing their own children not even Rome did that.
Now what do you think we deserve? How long do YOU think it will be until our JUST PUNISHMENT comes.

Chuck S: Glad the only thing you found to argue with in my post was the numbers! According to the Census Bureau (www.census.gov) the US Population as of December 1, 2008 was estimated at 305,313,980, (more than 300 million, not 3 million) not including the US Armed Forces stationed outside the US. So, if it is 200,000 couples that is really 0.06%. . . .Not even close to the point, but nice try! The fact of the matter is, no matter how many couples are waiting, if there were more babies to adopt, it wouldn’t take YEARS (the only other option is to adopt internationally). AND it would still save taxpayer money!

Ralph, your statement about it is because President Obama is black is just plain “bs”. Obviously he was elected and guess what, he was black then too! The problem with his selection for his administration is it looks a lot like President Clinton’s….hmmmmm change yeah right! However I wish the new President the best I just wish he would stop with the decisions that really don’t need to be addressed such as this topic we are all responding to and the gays in the military. I believe there are more pressing matters.

Well I must return to work. But before I leave just want all of you to know, believers and unbelievers, that I will be praying for you and may God have mercy on your souls! Not trying to be high and mighty just concerned for others. God bless!

Mr. Obama, You, Michelle AND THE PRO ABORT FANATICS ON HERE can foot the bills for these abortions. DO NOT tax me. I am not willing to pay for the slaughter of innocent babies. Give up your caviar and fancy dresses, Michelle, ms. pro-choic first lady..YOU PAY FOR PRO-ABORTION IDEAS.

I wasn’t always a pro-life guy. I had listened to, and grew up the whole pro-choice thing. It wasn’t until I got older that I really thought things through. But here is my analysis.
I believe it is morally wrong and reprehensible. But it does not mean I want the government to regulate it. I believe the government should stay completely out of it. Some the pro-life crowd will disagree with me but that’s just the way I see it. It’s a cancer that has crept into our society and it can’t be fixed by government. It must be fixed by society. However, our society is also unwilling. But it is even worse that the government would support or promote abortion.
We can’t keep looking to government to fix things. We have to fix things ourselves. The government shouldn’t choose sides in a morality debate, its unethical. But activism on both sides has forced it. The best thing for both sides is to force the government out of it and bring morality back where it belongs, the family. Different families can choose their moral structures and pass it on to their kids.

obama claims we are in an “era of responsibility” well, let those who irresponsibly conceived babies pay for the destruction of said babies from their own pockets. Leave my tax dollar alone, obama.

Planned Parenthood is a money-grubbing, profit-grabbing disgrace. They promoted GIFT CERTIFICATES FOR ABORTIONS as appropriate Christmas presents. These people are deranged!!!! Why should my taxes go to help this sick corporation spread baby killing throught the entire world–and profit from the blood of innocents? obama goofed.

PRO Choice = You the Person make the Choice. Either to have an Abortion or not.
Pro Life = FORCES thier view on others no matter what. (Dictatorship)They kill doctors and others near by – Proven
These same Pro-lifers sit on thier high horse and want to enforce thier will on others, all a while spouting how they hate the welfare system.
No body has a right to tell you what to do to your body, unless they are paying your way.
I do not believe in Abortion, but I will not tell someone they have to follow my view for IT is thier CHOICE!!!!!

Angelo, to add to your comment; Planned parenthood also is found in many of the poor neighborhoods which are predominantly minority….hmmm sounds like population control for minorities….pretty fishy.

Kathleen:
President Obama,
I believe that the right to human life supersedes that of a woman’s reproductive rights. I am fiercely against you using my money (tax dollars) to contribute to such immoral actions as the elimination of human lives. You must certainly know that all babies begin with the union of egg and sperm. There is no other human being who has the right to willfully terminate that innocent life.
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Can I assume you are also as fiercely against the use of your tax dollars to support the use of the pill and IUD? The ‘other’ abortion methods.

Well, Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was an avowed eugenicist. She thought certain types of people were human weeds and should be exterminated.

cal chi you are naive…the profits PP seeks is in aborting these women’s children, not in helping bring them safely to birth. That’s why they want our tax dollars….big profits in abortions.

@Chucks S: You’ve itroduced yorself as a pro-choice father of 3… So tell us how do you decide which child deserves to live and which doesn’t? What is your criteria?

obama’s mom, I hear, was a single mom abandoned by obama’s dad. she could have sought out the “humane” abortion solution, but she chose life.

Well Angelo, my pocketbook for one!

LoveAlways:
There sure is much mis-informaiton on this post. First, the BC Pill does not ALWAYS prevent ovulation. …
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Thanks you! Finally someone else that has thought this issue all the way through to it’s inevitable, ethical, conclusion!

obama has done great things thus far: freed the bloodthirsty, hate America terrorists– and set the stage for international, tax funded free abortion executions. great guy. thanks, slobbering liberal media and starstruck obama voters. can’t wait to see what destructive acts he brings to light next week. yep, proud to be an American this week. Oh, how I miss President George W. Bush.

Ralph I never claimed to be religious on my prolife stance. I just believe killing babies is WRONG and basically an easy way out for an uneducated female who can’t make “good choices”. I can’t stand how “smart” people condone dumb choices which are made because of irresponsibility. You pro-choice people need to look at your choices prior to getting pregnant! Pretty dumb if you ask me.

Logic301-
God and Bible probably has a multitude of meaning to our leader. Thank goodness we now have a leader who realizes that State and Church should be separate and can be a believer and yet support the rights of everyone in our country by not forcing Christians to get abortions but making them available for those who choose to have them.

The Catholic Church, worldwide, does an excellent job at helping with adoption services, pre-natal care, care after the baby is born (including clothes and living quarters), and education about parenting. Please turn to the Catholic Church with your spiritual needs and for Christian truth.
Posted by: LoveAlways
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If that is the case, then why are there so many South American “street urchins” in gangs, preying on tourists or combing through garbage dumps?
Why then does a Christian “Save the Children” type service run those heart-wrenching commercials showing poverty-stricken children wandering barefoot down “streets” littered with garbage and with a sewage stream running down the middle, as some kindly, white-haired gentleman, kneeling next to a cute little girl explains how for as little as 85 cents a day, one can “provide” for a child like this, who will write letters of progress, with pictures, to you, etc. Sorry, but I don’t believe you.
To my mind, when it comes to children, it is better to turn off the faucet than to drown in the resultant flood, and most of the world is drowning in the flood. Of course, the Pope, by means of an Edict, could help stem the flow, but no, no, no. I realize his concerns are not of this world, but surely those of the suffering children are. Better, to my mind, for them not to have been born at all, than to live in squalor and poverty, with little or no hope for the future. And before you jump all over me, I am not speaking of ABORTION, but rather of CONTRACEPTION. However, to most of you, there seems to be no difference. OK, so then YOU take the responsibility for this terrible burden on the earth and its very limited resources, and do something about it, like today. The President is doing so, and I am glad to support him in this measure, although I did not vote for him.
By the way, there is no Christian “truth”, nor is there a Muslim “truth”, nor a Jewish “truth”, nor a Hindu “truth”, nor a Buddhist “truth”, or any other religious “truth”. That is all hogwash and deadly dogma. The only truth there is, is that revealed in the study of nature and validated by duplicatable experimentation.

Mother-when god actually does something then maybe people will pay attention to those words…

In this world, birth control and planned parenting makes sense.

“The only truth there is, is that revealed in the study of nature and validated by duplicatable experimentation.”
Isn’t that the basis of religion? Worshiping nature or science is a form of religion as well. Nature is an uncontrollable force that dictates your current state. By learning the laws of nature you can adjust your life to conform. How is that different than any other religion?
It is also important to separate the message from the words when it comes to religious texts. They are just guides to life, not literal life translations (in my belief anyway)

USCITIZEN_04 I understand your statement however the percentage of rapes resulting in pregnancies are not what is dispute. That is definitely a horrible situation. I am referencing abortions which are used as a form of birth control. Pro-choice means being smart BEFORE you get pregnant. Abortion is murder pretty simple.

Angelo & Others – Please educate yourselves on the role of Planned Parenthood. I used their services while in college because I didn’t have insurance. They provided me with pap smears and breast exams and the birth control pill at nearly free of charge. (condoms also available) This is basic health coverage that all women deserve but that not all can afford. In third world countries they also provide clean tools and advice for home births, which saves many lives.
Just because they also can assist in abortions as a last resort, does not mean that they do not provide a needed service and save many lives.

I did not vote for President Obama, however I had made the decision to support him as our President out of my love and respect for The United States of America. I am very disappointed in him and his decision to repeal the law regarding abortion. It is a sad day in America when the unborn are not protected to the fullest extent possible.

Access to international family‐planning services is one of the most effective means of reducing the need for abortion. Most women everywhere, even in developing countries, don’t believe abortions are the best way to plan the number and spacing of their kids. Families need help. That’s what overturning this ban is about. There is no conspiracy theory, no eugenics at work when it comes to providing women education and health care.

Ok Robin, fair enough but I still feel abortion is murder and should be the last choice or not a choice. But the real problem is that abortion is the EASIEST choice not the best choice or the right choice (at least from the baby’s perspective). I am sure the baby would like the “choice” to live. Anyway, I have to go….

Kim:
Was your post meant to be facetious? Nothing you posted is true whatsoever. Fully developed by 8 wks? If that were true, we’d be born at that point. And over 90% of abortions are performed by the 12th week. Less than 0.01% of abortions are performed after the 24th weeks. And the stories floating around about Michelangelo and Beethoven are urban myths. And capitalizing TRUTH doesn’t change the truth.

ABC is over-the-top with a picture of a fetus superimposed on the President. Shame on you.

Hilary Fyfe, head of Zambia’s ‘Family Life Movement’ opposed abortion. But Fyfe said the Gag Rule killed women, “just as if they are pointing a gun and shooting.” Her organization lost approximately $30,000 in US funding for simply TALKING to adolescents and young adults that unsafe and potentially fatal abortions are one possible consequence of unprotected sex and unwanted pregnancies. To retain Federal funding, grantees had to certify that they would comply with the rule barring ANY discussion of abortion. The Gag Rule was a myopic law pandering to right wing Christian voters and promoting a lie that their “tax dollars” were killing millions of babies. In reality, it promoted dangerous back-street abortions when organizations could not reach poor, desperate women with education and birth control.

It’s amazing how everyone is saying, poor Obama – look what he’s walking in to and has to fix. Yet he chooses some of his first tasks as president to make sure that abortion can happen much easier.
Well, I hope that people who voted for him eventually see the mistake they’ve made,and how it will affect our country. You’ll get change, alright, but it’s not the kind of change we’re looking for. At least President Bush respected life. And I don’t want to hear that the war wasn’t respecting life. The men and women who fight for our country make the conscious choice to do so. Aborted babies don’t have that choice. I know I’ll never refer to Obama as president

Louisianalady misinformed again. The bill that Bush passed would not teach anything other than abstinence. So we all know kids will not listen to us, so this bill did not inform people of the different choices for them to prevent pregnancies. I rather prevent then to abort, but Bush’s bill did not.

Okay, so I’m a little confused here. I know these two things aren’t the same at all, but how is it that ‘we the people’ are saying we don’t want the GOVERNMENT telling us whether or not we are allowed to kill a living human fetus inside a person when we just roll over and don’t say squat when the GOVERNMENT passes laws banning adults from being allowed to kill themselves with cigarettes in bars? Why is THIS not as big of an issues as ABORTION? I mean, c’mon, I should have the right to do these things if I want to, right? Furthermore, why is pot illegal? Or rather, if laws are being passed to ‘protect’ us, why is alcohol legal? It kills tons of folks each year from alcohol poison and alcohol-related accidents. Not to mention the violence perpetrated by intoxicated individuals. When is GOVERNMENT crossing the line? and why isn’t the SAME line being drawn for EVERY right that ‘we the people’ SHOULD have?
If the GOVERNMENT is going to regulate what we should and shouldn’t be allowed to do, then let’s let them do that COMPLETELY to make things fair for everyone. Dictate how many Big Macs I can have each year. Or how much coffee. How much I am allowed to drive. Sleep. Watch TV.
If, on the other hand, the GOVERNMENT is NOT going to regulate what we should and shouldn’t be allowed to do, then let’s not let them regulate ANYTHING to make things fair for everyone. Sure, have an abortion. Have 1000 Big Macs a day. Do cocaine. As long as you are doing it only to yourself, you should be allowed to do anything you want. Not until it starts to impact others should it become an issue (such as drunk driving, or drunk wife beating, or shooting guns in town, or blowing up candy stores because they contain sugar and you are an Atkins fanatic, or whatever).
Now, the only tricky part to this latter statement is the part about ONLY affecting yourself. The entire argument against abortion is that is affects the mother AND the fetus. Thus the impasse we see today.

In Romania, due to decades of indoctrination by Soviet administrations, women had an average of 2.2 abortions. This is barbaric. They were left uneducated and suspicious about other viable birth control options, but family planning NCOs that signed the Bush-era Global Gag rule were not allowed to work with abortion providers. This meant NCOs were unable to reach these women who chose multiple abortions in the absence of education about other forms of birth control. President Obama is doing the right thing by overturning the misdirected Global Gag rule. Let the light of education and compassion shine upon us all.

We voted for a democratic pres and dems are prochoice. And abortion is legal whether you like it or not. So why are all your repubs acting so surpised that Obama did this.

@Robin: You have said that: “State and Church should be separate”, so why did Obama chose to recite “…so help me God” at the inauguration? If Obama publicly acknowledges God’s presence, shouldn’t he respect God’s commandments also? What a hypocrisy!
Deeds speak lauder than words!

Why do so many people insist on repeating that killing an early fetus or embryo is the same as killing a baby?
A baby is a thinking, feeling, emotional, human being.
An embryo or early fetus (when virtually all abortions are performed) has none of those qualities, and it is those qualites that we cherish in humans.
The only thing human about an embryo is its DNA – but it’s not the DNA that we cherish in people.
Very very few people who are pro-choice believe that 3rd trimester abortions should be legal (except when the mother’s life is at stake) precisely because by that point it has developed the qualities that we cherish in humans.

So Barbara, how many children have you adopted to help out.

imamomlee, I have been through that same situation. I got pregnant when I was 16 and soon after finding out the doctor told me that some hormone numbers were not increasing as they should have; my baby was dying. And the doc wanted to schedule surgery to have it removed. Even though I was 16 I WANTED that baby, when I left there I cried out to God for help. I decided to wait on surgery, they continued to run blood work and miraculously my numbers suddenly quadrupled. But I don’t think when you are told that the baby is NOT viable and you have it removed that it considered abortion; your NOT killing it it’s already dead.

Mavsreader : Absolutely! But under the Bush plan, if abortion was even mentioned, then neither it nor anything else was supported or funded. Just like cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Yeah Obama helps the economy by spending my tax dollars abroad on abortions.
How can anyone compare the murder of 50 million innocent babies to causalities of war. It’s a weak try at deflecting the issue.
No person is born pro-abortion you have to be talked into it.
Abortion is the civil rights issue of our time and will eventually go the way of slavery. Turning abortion into a religious issue is another way of changing the subject. It’s civil rights issue. Abortion is not a right its the violation of an innocent baby’s right to life.
Please finish the sentence… “I support a woman’s right to choose…to kill her baby”.
Don’t get defensive just try to really think about what we are doing here…

No matter what the mother is going to abort the child…the doctors just throw the aborted baby out…why not give the aborted baby a use…let the lack of their life save another…give them a chance to serve a purpose

Abortion is murder plain and simple. It is never an option and partial birth abortions are barbaric, they wouldn’t let us do that to dog, much less want to do this to a human baby. Wake up people, and our military people know when they sign up that they always have a chance at going to war. Yes, it’s ugly put this is the facts.

It’s ridiculous to argue that the only ones who bear responsibility for the deaths in a war are the soldiers themselves. Isn’t that the whole point of supporting the troops even if we all don’t agree on why they are there? Everyone is responsible so don’t try and wash your hands of it.

Ok we all have lived with this one for so long now. And we all know there are two strong sides to this issue. On one side, women’s rights to her own person, on the other side, an additional person carried by a person.
I just wanted to write this one right, but, to no avail, this one is a mired complex entanglement that seems more enjoyed to leave it complex, or two sided, or multisided, as it is to compare it to the want of establishments of a Nation over Holy Lands, as is, the Isreal – Palestine conflict !!!!!!
Are we going to fight forever, or are we going to finally figure these things out, that is Justice, Truth, and Right??
Lets see, a Womans right to Choice, well, yhea, your choice is not taken away from you, A womans right to choice has never been violated, it has always been there. All women have the power of choice, as anyone has a power of choice, consequences of choice can be more victimization, or it can be accountable of choice. A woman, and a man have the power to choose not to create life in the first place, with Religious retribution as consequences. However, in todays current times, the choice of birth control in the first place, is in fact the choice that needs to be awarded, It seems religious dogma of birth control as a sin, and premarital sex as a sin, seems overwhelming controlling in a society that is idealistically founded on the intentions of Freedom for all man kind. In reality, no religion, no person, no law, no government, no company, no anything, has invaded your choice. Of course, there are re-actions, and justifications of recourse, and laws, and punishments, according to your choice, yet you still have choice.
So choose before conception.
Now, lets say, we all are of the right cause, and the good cause, and the do whats right cause, and we all choose, establish, police, and succeed in promoting and protecting every human life, and every living creatures life, and we all walk around with halos over our heads, knowing we are pro life, religiously correct, and angels walking on this earth, and we, the conservative right, who as no problem with rule by force, which means at times, the rational of the only politics that is good politics is strong might and military backing consequences, is peace assured through superior fire power, but, we the conservative right still have a problem with killing a potential life.
Ok, what ever that was….????
OK, well you just can’t rational the expiration of a potential new born on the way cause you got fears and you go into thinking of yourself only????
Rape?? Well whats the verdict on that one?? Its still a life??? Criminally conceived?? Still worth the death penalty for an innocent of guilt by association???
Life or Death?? Life or Death of the Mother or Life or Death of the child???
Gods right to choose life or death of human beings? I guess its always been idealized that man does not have the right to take a life of another man, but if so said person should take the life of another so said person, then it is only just to take the life of Murders, however, if the implantation of death for the cause of Nation Building, and or Nation Protection, then death by man upon man, is accepted by some, and also, rejected and repulsed by some, no agreement there, never will be either.
Really the only true answer is valuing life, honoring life, promoting life, letting life flourish and allowed to live, however, life isn’t always pretty and beautiful, its also volcanic, destructive, and absolute ending. And its beautiful, loving, relaxing, peaceful, its all and everything, and its not nothing.
The right thing is to take responsibility for your actions and work through the hardships to a better place than was yesterday.
However, too many people in too many places? Battle, fight, kill, destroy, curse, Flame, reprimand, mandate, rule, judge, justify, cause,
Case in point,…..The Internet…..too much, too little information very fast, and too many people on it, talking to too may people they don’t even know.
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Hey! That’s an advancement in society! AAA religion, was it for a more peaceful world, or was it for more control over the masses???
What is the answer???
Live and let live, equilibrium will take place, because its always been hear, beyond the scope and control of man, and deregulate a whole lot more, and keep it a lot more simplified and try your hardest to work from what is good in life.
No right Answer.
So stop trying to be right.

Unreal. Here is the man who suppose to care so much about life; ending torture and making sure we let the criminals from “Gitmo” and yet, he can not wait to overturn any reasonable limitations on abortion. Unreal! He has effectively shot the first shot in the war concerning life issues. All Christians, Jews, and Muslims unnite. I say let the battles begin.

President Bush’s ban on funding for family planning groups who didn’t tow his moral code was meant to punish to those who didn’t subscribe to Bush’s “Christian Talaban” ideology.
Seeing as how abortion is legal in the United States, the Presidents message was: If you want taxpayer money you have to subscribe to my moral code.
I’m sure Bush would have loved to deny federal education funds, medicare benefits,food stamps and tax deductions to people whose views on abortion differed from his.

Though I am on the side of life in these debates, I must say I don’t fear Obama’s stance on abortion so much as his utter disregard for the right of religious liberty. That disregard is evident in his support for FOCA and for public funding of abortions. Obama seems to care little for anyone’s conscience but his own. An attitude of this kind, backed by enormous power, is a recipe for the dissolution of a people. God helps us all.

All people, the world over, will benefit by the wise and compassionate decision to allow full access to knowledge and methodology regarding the decision to have a child.

First off, I’m christian. I study the bible. I’m an intelligent human being. Where does the bible equate a fetus in the 1st trimester to a baby (without completely taking things out of context)?
Secondly, the Global Gag Rule actually is thought to raise the amount of abortions. The clinics which loose funding also provide contraceptives and usually a number of services other than abortions (like prenatal care). When these clinics shut down from lack of funding, or do not have enough contraceptives to hand out… more women become pregnant. And then since the clinics are closed or underfunded, the women are left with less options for prenatal care or an abortion. If she chooses to keep the child she has less access to prenatal care! How horrible. And if she does get an abortion you can bet it isn’t as safe as it could be for her. So actually, this is causing less children to be conceived, and therefore, aborted.
Also, on a little bit of a side note, it takes funding away for condoms going to Africa. If you really care about babies, what about all the (postpartum) babies effected by AIDs in Africa?
On top of that this legislation got its nick name for a reason. It pulls funding from any NGO which even talks about the option of abortion. Freedom of speech is this country’s 1st Amendment, where as abortion is legal in every state (not to mention in all the countries which are affected by this). If this law were aimed at contributions to US NGOs it would be shot down for being unconstitutional in a second. How hypocritical.
Any one who is truly pro-life should want there to be less abortions, and therefore oppose the Mexico City Policy. I think the only good argument against for the Mexico City Policy is that US taxpayers simply dont want to pay for abortions in other countries. In which case it should be rewritten to reflect only that.

I have always believed in rights for women. I believe everyone considering an abortion, should look in the mirror and thank God or whoever you believe in, that your mother chose life. No one has the right to take the life of a child, born or unborn. You can fool yourself but the simple truth is the process of life begins at conception. A child unborn or born cannot survive unless nurtured. Again no human being has the right to take the life of a child.

Folks think they are holier than thou
And tell biblical stories of how
Cells are a person
And abortion is worse than
What any of their commandments allow.

This message is to Rick Limmer and all those who think like him. It has nothing to do with being holier than thou, but has everything to do with protecting all humankind, born or unborn.

There once were some cells in a dish
That a lab tech stirred up with a swish
“Protect humankind”
Screamed some people inclined
To genuflecting at symbols of fish.

BRAVO for Barack Obama!

Kilgore – I know what reality is, and it does surprise me – that people can’t identify what murder is, and that’s abortion! Plain and simple, no excuses or rationalization, it’s MURDER. Knowledge might surprise you.
Jan – yours is the exact attitude that got Obama elected. At least I know the blood of millions of babies on my hands. Can you say the same??

John wrote “Engage in slogans and terms like ‘fetus’ all you wish.”
The word “fetus” has been around for 600 years. The term “pre-born” isn’t even found in most dictionaries .

Euphemisms, not sure what your point is with the etymology lesson in how long a word has been around but let me clarify. My point is you can call it anything you like, “fetus”, “embryo” or “chocolate pudding”. The fact is, he/she is a unique life with their own unique DNA which science has proved. If it wasn’t, there would be no need to run down to the clinic and have his/her live ended. Look you and I where both in the same state at the start of our lives, then we were newborns, toddlers, young children, adolescents etc. Life is a constant path of growth. Take a look at these pictures of 1st trimester babies. They have the same 10 fingers and toes we have.
I honestly believe if more people saw this stuff, hearts would be changed…

The truth comes out now, people like Tensai think Obama is god. Frightening… BTW, God can create life and take it you cannot…

We are living in a culture of death:
“For all my friends who voted for Obama can you really look God in the face and say; Father based on your word, I voted for Obama even though I know he will continue the genocidal practice of partial birth abortion. He might have to nominate three or four Supreme Court justices, and I am sure he will be nominating liberal judges who will be making laws that are against you. I also know he will continue to push for homosexual rights, even though you destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this. I know I can look the other way because of the economy.
I could not see Jesus agreeing with many of Obama’s positions. Finally I have two questions for all my liberal friends.
Since we know someone’s value system has to be placed on the nation,
1. Whose value system should be placed on the nation?
2. Who should determine that this is the right value system for the nation?”
Blessings,
Huntley

Lu – The American people have already decided on the “value system”. It is to be a liberal, democratic system and one based more on a philsophy of secular humanism, but without rejecting those with religious beliefs. That is why we the American people chose Obama to be our President. We don’t want or need eight more years of Religious Right Republican stupidity, incompetence, corruption, greed and Christian Evangelical fundamentalism destroying our constitution and our country.

Fortunately, GOD is on the side of those that believe life is HIS gift to mankind. Good luck to the rest of you atheists.

Lacie – Where in the American Constitution which is the founding document of our legal status as a nation does it mention the words – Christian, or Jesus, or Bible, or even God. Not a single instance! America is founded on a secular constitution not a religious one. That is ultimately what makes America a great country.

Tensai, Sorry didn’t see your comment. Actually it does say in the year of our Lord (who is Jesus).It is debatable whether our Founding Fathers were Christian. Some turn around things they said to make it sound like they weren’t, I beleive most of them were. Also, Notice our Pledge (One nation under God) and the money you use (In God we Trust). If America will ever be GREAT again we HAVE to return to a CHRISTIAN nation. God Bless!!

“Fortunately, GOD is on the side of those that believe life is HIS gift to mankind. Good luck to the rest of you atheists.”
Franklin, why does God give us gifts like Timothy McVeigh? And, if we come up with a receipt, can we return Osama Bin Laden for a full refund? Or are lives born into non-Christian faiths not “our” God’s problem?

Look, I’m sure a lot of you would like to see pro-choice people as heartless child-hating murderers, but that’s just not the case. We’re pragmatists, who recognize that the best way to combat this problem is through legal means and channeling funding in the most effective ways. All the data backs this up. Abortion is very, very sad and nobody wants it to happen (though calling it things like “genocide” is utterly unhelpful). Forcing young girls to use a coat hanger in a back alley somewhere, all too often resulting in the death of both the mother and the fetus, is even sadder. Abortion didn’t suddenly start happening when it was made legal; it’s been going on for thousands of years. It was made legal in the US at the urging of doctors who saw far too often how its criminalization was hurting girls and women. At the 1994 Cairo Convention legal abortion was recognized as crucial to achieving human rights for women. When abortion is illegal, wealthy women are able to get abortions safely, while poor women are not. Also, abortions are far fewer in countries with legal abortion – check out how many abortions happen in Chile, even though it is a heavily Christian nation where abortion is illegal – 200,000 a year, twice as many as in Canada even though they have half the population. So, if you want to actually prevent abortion instead of moaning that it’s “murder”, keeping it legal and letting USAID and UNFPA do their thing is the way to go.

Tensai, does this sound familiar? “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” Note the word “Creator”. Also note the progression, “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness”. You cannot pursue happiness nor have liberty if you have no life. Every other human right and issue depends on the right to life. Sadly the fact that people even debate the topic of abortion just shows how far our society has disintegrated.

Why thanks Senior – appreciate it!

To jgn:
This is one of my earlier posts:
Ok anti-abortion people, how about this deal: We outlaw abortion but then you have to help cough up all the money to make sure that all unwanted children have a good free education, full medical coverage, free shelter or foster parents if needed, and all other necessities until they reach adulthood.
My bet is that this deal will never be taken. Right-wingers may be ‘pro-life’, but they are ‘pro-checkbook’ even more.
If you want to help pay to raise the next 50 million children I will.

Atheism IS a religion. It has become the pulpit from which Christian-bashing has reached new heights. Wasn’t in Seattle recently that atheists felt so compelled to their “religion” that they placed some godless credo in the state house?

I support President Obama’s plan to overturn the ban on funding for international family planning groups. While I know President Obama is opposed to abortion, I appreciate that fact that he doesn’t feel our government should take away personal freedoms for individuals, such as a woman’s right to choose.

Skip, you are making progress, at least you are calling them children, and yes I would be happy to have my tax dollars and more go to help raise these children rather than kill them. I would be willing to give everything I have including my life to end abortion. I never said I was a right winger or left winger I just feel terrible about these children…

Stacie,
Franklin said that life is God’s gift to *mankind*, therefore Timothy McVeigh and Osama Bin Laden are God’s gift to you and me. I don’t want them, thank you. And what about those folks who were born into other faiths? Did the Christian God create them too?

All you pro-lifers keep the faith… the pro-aborts are aborting themselves into extinction and we pro-lifers will get this turned around some day.

Jake Tapper, why don’t you report more on what the International Funding is for such as education, counseling on all birth control and access to it? These women are not “for” abotions in third world countries because of their culture.
Also, what about how many women who choose to have an abortion are dying from trying to have one and those that are seiously injured from trying to have one without medical assistance? Good family planning consists of placing a child in a home that is loving, where there is financial capability and a lack of an environment where there has been rape, incest, abuse, or too young of a mother having a child.
Let’s put some of this energy against a personal being about to make personal choices toward helping those born where there is great suffering such as Darfur and Zimbabwe – there is no purified drinking water and people are starving and suffering from contaminated food, water – dying long, torturous deaths.

ppl, that doesn’t make a lick of sense because while people will probably always murder each other, there’s no way to make murder safer. But yes, now that you mention it I don’t have a problem with making certain things legal like prostitution, so that you can regulate condom use and make the general population safer, and needle exchange programs for injection drug users. The first one is a bit of a gray area for me, but with abortion it’s a no-brainer. Laws are to protect people, no? So if you have a policy or law that is in fact harming your people, you might want to think about changing that, yes? Making abortion illegal = increasing abortion rates + unacceptable morbidity and mortality of women. How is that a good policy? Please, enlighten me.

Kilgore Trout, your first sentence makes my point, you cannot make murder safe. Abortion is murder by dismemberment. You mathematical equation is a little off. To think that if abortion in this country were illegal we would have more then 50 million dead babies is intellectually dishonest. Yes laws are made to protect people and we need a law to protect the unborn people of this country. It comes down to either you don’t believe these are people or you have not thought about it enough.

Just asking, God did not make McVeigh or OBL into the murderers that they became. Just as God did force anyone to eat the forbidden apple. You do remember that one, don’t you?

“Francine, I read the story of the atheist sign in Seattle. It didn’t say they did anything wrong.”
And I never said they did anything wrong. Atheism is a religion protected by the first amendment, just like any other.
“What other acts do you believe they committed?”
You can’t be serious. Like filing lawsuits to get rid of voluntary prayer? Like filing lawsuits to dictate what songs can be sung? Like prohibiting graduates from uttering anything about God? Like suing the Boy Scouts? It’s a long list, and it amazes me that you, an atheist, don’t realize these things.

“What data can you show to back up your points?”
The most authoritative one there is: God’s.

All can be saved by the grace of God. It’s not appropriate to assume that God punishes everyone who makes a “desperate” choice. One would guess, however, it would be logical to conclude that God doesn’t look too favorably on those that would condone such actions…

I would think that He also would not look favorably on those who condone policies that add to the suffering of poor women who may not have any alternatives, or who make that difficult choice to be able to keep on feeding the children that she already has.

“So the 66% of the world that is non-Christian is going to Hell?”
Did someone say that? I thought the topic was abortion, funding, and such. I really don’t know of any true religions that promote abortions, but hey, I’m always willing to learn new stuff. I would also assert up-front that any cult (including atheism) that promotes abortions would probably fall into your 66%.

Ooops! Sorry for butting into your conversation, just asking. I apologize.
(However, I didn’t read Stace’s post the same way you did, but you could be correct in yours).

Just asking and simon, did you really think you would go to heaven if you don’t even beleive in such a place?

“did you really think you would go to heaven if you don’t even beleive in such a place?”
Forget Heaven for a moment. I’m more concerned about a God who would take an innocent person, who He created, a person who lived a good and moral life, and throw him into eternal hellfire just because that person was never exposed to Christianity. Is that really what you’re saying, Stacie?

I recommend researching the effects of this policy before deciding what is the humanitarian thing for our government to do. I found a very informative article written by the BBC two years after Bush instituted this “gag rule”. I’ll quote parts of it:
[...Hundreds of women's health organizations in the poorest nations of the world - places where maternal mortality and infant death are high - faced a tough choice. Either sign the gag rule and be silenced on abortion, or refuse and lose millions of dollars in US aid. Most refused to sign. As a result, thousands of family planning clinics across the developing world have closed their doors, making access to vital contraceptives hard to come by. ...
I travelled to Ethiopia - a country where abortion is illegal but where a recent study at Addis Ababa hospital found half of all female deaths there were caused by botched back-street abortions. ...
Molu is living with nine children in one room. She has been told one more baby will kill her. But the clinic that gives her the pill for free is shutting. There is no other clinic. Molu says if she gets pregnant again, she will carry out her own abortion with wire. "Either way I will die," she says with chilling fatality. ...]

“T”. It is too late! We selected a wrong “guy” to run our great nation.

I have a question for the pro-choice people. You are living in the USA. Hopefully you are familiar with something called the constitution,and even though I know Obama is trying to change it, here is a direct quote from it. “right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”. I’ve searched everywhere, and no where in that constitution does it say you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, “unless you are an unborn child”. Those who think that all pro-life people are also for the death penalty, you’re wrong. Even murderers have the right to life according to the constitution. So, why deny that to the unborn, even if they are “unwanted”? Tensai – The majority of Americans voted for Obama because they look at him as their “messiah”. How sad is that. We shall see what change we get. Personally, I think we’ve been “short changed”. If he’s not impeached by then, we’ll get him out of there in 4 years and stand a chance for survival

Me too, Rose. I’ve searched everywhere, and nowhere in the constitution does it say you have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, “unless you are a brainless, featureless microscopic ball of cells.” Our founding fathers should have been far more specific!

Francine: You’re upset that atheists don’t want their children to have to do things like pray to Jesus in school or profess a belief in God to participate in the Boy Scouts. How would you feel if your child had to pray to Allah in school or profess a belief in Buddha to be a Scout? I suspect you might do what you could to have such requirements removed. It’s not an “assault on Christianity” … it’s more like trying to ensure freedom of religion.

Kilgore Trout. Yes I’ve seen these stats before but found out later that they are incorrect. Here is a quote from Dr Bernard Nathanson one of the founders of NARAL who testified before the Supreme Court in ’73′s Row vs Wade.
“We aroused
enough sympathy to sell our program of permissive abortion by fabricating the number of
illegal abortions done annually in the U.S. The actual figure was approaching 100,000 but
the figure we gave to the media repeatedly was 1,000,000.”
It’s obvious you’ve put some thought into this, but lets not muddy the water with side issues like statistics anyway we always need to get back to the basic scientific fact that these unborn are human beings. The ultimate in innocence… We need to constantly keep this in mind, lest we get too used to this tragedy.

Dr. Bernard Nathanson is quite a character. He’s responsible for the anti-abortion propaganda film “The Silent Scream.” Here are some of the false or inaccurate claims that he’s made:
The 12-week fetus experiences pain.
The 12-week fetus makes purposeful movements.
A fetus is indistinguishable from any of the rest of us.
Fetal head at 12 weeks requires the use of “crushing instruments” for extraction.
“Brain waves have existed for six weeks” in the 12-week fetus.
Many women who have an abortion suffer severe and lasting psychological damage.
There were 100,000 illegal abortions annually in the US in 1963.
The crime syndicate is heavily involved in the abortion industry.
To see what a panel of experts had to say about Nathanson’s claims, Google the article “Facts speak louder than The Silent Scream.” They also address statistics regarding the number of illegal abortions.

Come on now, ppl. Some of the claims made by Nathanson are so utterly false that ANY medical source can be used to refute them.
And the medical experts did not work for Planned Parenthood. Here are their credentials as clearly stated in the article:
Sally Faith Dorfman, MD
Assistant Professor, Albert Einstein College of Medicine,
Assistant Clinical Professor, Mount Sinai
Hart Peterson, MD
Chief of Pediatric Neurology, New York Hospital,
Clinical Professor of Neurology in Pediatrics, Cornell University Medical Center
William Rashbaum, MD
Assistant Clinical Professor, Albert Einstein College of Medicine
Seymour L. Romney, MD
Professor, Ob/Gyn, Director, Gynecological Cancer Research, and former Chairman, Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Albert Einstein College of Medicine
Allan Rosenfield, MD
Professor, Ob/Gyn and Public Health, Acting Chairman, Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology Director, Center for Population and Family Health, College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University
Herbert G. Vaughan, Jr. MD
Professor of Neuroscience, Neurology and Pediatrics, Director, Rose F. Kennedy Center for Research in Mental Retardation and Human Development, Albert Einstein College of Medicine
Ming-Neng Yeh, MD
Associate Clinical Professor, Dept. of Ob/Gyn Ultrasound Laboratory, Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center.

Say What?. The issue isn’t whether they have degrees, the issue is they are hand picked opinions that fall in line with what Planned Parenthood wants. Not to mention the fact that this panel’s opinions are 24 years old and science has proven a lot since then for the cause of life. Look, we can both come up with “stats” and “medical experts” backing our arguments, such are statistics and opinions. It’s a waist of time and draw away from the real issue. I always hear the arguments about how the baby can’t feel pain, they do not have conscience thought or movement, etc. etc. To which I say “So what…” It’s still a human life at a particular stage of life just like we all are at.
People for abortion always divert the argument away from the fact that we are talking about innocent unborn babies.

its wrong, and makes me sick. I’ve seen an 12 week old fetus delivered because of miscarriage, and to me it looks like a baby. Killing your child because you don’t want the child is wrong and many people out there who can’t have children, why can’t we work on education here and make adoption the choice ..

So Pro Life supporters Pick and choose who is to die, if you are pro life it should be for all life and my question was valid. I beleive in Choice and I do not think Abortion is the answer to everything, but then again that is my choice. I do beleive in the death penalty BTW. And I also recall they ( Pro Life supporters) Have caused the death i.e.killed a few doctors and anyone else that was close to the doctor, all under the Pro Life umbrella.

Say What? Apparently you didn’t read the entire thread. Nathanson came up as a reply to another post claiming questionable statistics that’s the only reason. Nathanson was simple saying how he and the other NARAL founders fudged the stats to convince the Supreme Court.
Embryo, Fetus, Infant, young child, Adolescent all different stages of a human being.

ppl but what about the rape victim mental health? Maybe sometime down the line she wants the child back, even if that means stealing the child back. Mental health is such a touchy subject. But people will force thier own beleifs, wants and needs on to others. I wish the Abortion issue was taken care of at the start, with the Man. If men did not have the tool that got a woman or girl in trouble there would be no problem.

what about the inocent person attacked and left for dead, thier voice should not be heard? For all you know they would have the child and put it up for adoption. You think Pro-Choice means pro abortion, which it does not. Besides the point this bill band all aide for preventing pregnancy just because the facility performed abortions. This means no protection for the woman or girl. You know safe sex and all that, prevent the spread of sexual transmitting disease and pregnancy. Would you rather prevent then destroy? I know I would, Bush did not see it that way he just wanted people not to have sex forced or not, and anyone knew that was not going to work.

You know the ironic thing is, is that since contraception became globally acceptable unplanned pregnancies have skyrocketed. So it didn’t work, enter abortion the end all form of “contraception”. But that’s off the subject…
As for what if you could only choose one? Boy do I wish that where the only reason people had for desiring abortion. Abortion would be nonexistent. To answer the question because I know your sitting on the edge of your seat waiting :) Saving the mothers life is the first concern. If by trying to treat the mother the
pre-born baby dies, it is tragic, but intentional killing of the baby is never necessary.
Say What? I can google for stats upon stats and copy and paste them but its a waist of time and draws away from the real issue. I’d still say “so what…” That’s my point I don’t want to go off on a Nathanson debate but it is also ironic that his judgment was perfect when he brought his stats before the Supreme Court and then when he saw the truth his judgment was questionable. Very convenient.
We are talking about killing babies. Sorry to be redundant but it need to be repeated forever…
Again Embryo, Fetus, 8 weeks, Infant, young child, Adolescent all different stages of a human being just like we all are at.

ppl, you can repeat and repeat forever, but not everyone agrees that as soon as egg gets fertilized, you get Instant Person.
And Nathanson’s judgment became questionable when he put together a litany of lies called The Silent Scream.

If we could just get ride of all the noise and distractions and sit and think about it and ask what is the magical point where life begins? What would we come up with? At conception science has proven the he/she is a unique life with their own unique DNA. If life does not begin at conception, when does it begin and why?

If we are unclear of when life begins, and many in science are convinced it’s at conception, then we must, must, must error on the side on caution. If we are knocking down a skyscraper and we are not sure all the people are out of the building, do we make sure it is evacuated first before destroying it? Of course we do…
It is more like “we don’t know when life begins and frankly we don’t care.
We are going to do what we want.” That is an honest assessment.
I am convinced that in the future humankind will look back at this time and say “what were they thinking?”, just as we look back at slavery today the same way.

I wish the Abortion issue was taken care of at the start, with the Man. If men did not have the tool that got a woman or girl in trouble there would be no problem. So lets take care of the man, and stop putting it all on the woman.

Yes, ppl. That clump of living cells, if left to continue multiplying would EVENTUALLY develop into a person. Women don’t give birth to dogs, frogs or amoebas, after all. The problem is you absolutely, positively believe that removing those cells is murder, while I most absolutely, positively do not.

There are no nonhuman cells in a human zygote, human blastocyst, human embryo, human fetus, human child, or human adult. Yet by your definition, ppl, every one of these is a person, and equally so. And why would you suddenly bring prepubescent children into the picture? Obviously infants and children are developed to the point of being people. We had been discussing when living cells become a person. But if you want to be a wise guy, hey, be my guest.
There is virtually no chance that I will ever consider zygotes, blastocysts and early embryos to be people. And there’s no current scientific evidence to convince me that early stage fetuses are people either. By the way, I’ve been following this stuff since the days of Roe v Wade.
Here’s hoping that YOU’LL keep an open mind and realize that you might just be mistaken about this murder business, especially with scientific advances. Better not scratch that itch; you might murder some skin cells which could potentially be used someday to clone a human being.

Mary Lou,
See the comment posted by: goodusername | Jan 23, 2009 12:39:59 PM, which sums it up pretty well.

Abortion is never for goodness sake. The point of all abortion laws basically is convenience, money and political power. Murder is everyone’s business especially the baby’s.

Pro-Choice = a person choose the path they take, be it have and keep the baby, have the baby and adopt the baby out, or terminate the pregnancy. I agree Abortion is not the answer to birth control. But not one of you people has to carry it or support it when the child is born.
Pro-life = we are going to beat you, shoot you, or blow you up unless you agree with me.
Sperm Bank – potential Babies are thorn away.
Petri dishes with human embryo contaminated – potential Babies are thorn away.

Why is it you pro-aborts are concern about everybody but innocent babies?
ppl said is correctly:
we can never seem to focus on the true issue that these are innocent babies in the cross hairs. It’s always change the subject, re-divert the debate.

Why is it you anti-aborts are convinced that even a microscopic ball of cells is an innocent baby? I dare you to coochy-coo tickle a formless zygote or blastocyst under the chin.

“You wouldn’t know this because the pro-abortion media will not report it.”
So which poll do you choose to trust, Frank? One commissioned by CATHOLICS! LOL
Let’s look at some other polls to see what percentages think abortions should be legal all or most of the time.
NBC: 49% with 4% unsure
ABC: 54% with 3% unsure
Pew: 54% with 5% unsure
Quinnipiac: 57% with 5% unsure
LA Times/Bloomberg: 44% with 6% unsure
AP/Ipsos: 51% with 6% unsure

Now there’s some “unbiased” polls… Crack me up. BTW Your precious LA Times just conducted a poll and 54% say we should not fund abortions while only 37% said we should, which is really the point I’m making related to this article. Still haven’t answered the question why force you values on us? Let us put our taxes where we believe. No we couldn’t have that, that would be to fair.

A few points for Frank.
The Catholic faith is against contraception, let alone abortion. Why would you think they would be an unbiased source for a poll on the subject?
It was you who answered the question “why do you think a ball of cells is a baby?” with “Because it is a baby.” Isn’t that rather unconstructive?
Pro-lifers don’t just complain about funding. Their main focus is on making abortion illegal.
A 90-year-old man has his human blueprint and is on his journey towards natural death. By your definition, an old man is a baby.

Rose, Say What? is not that dumb, he/she is just pretending to be to avoid the question about funding and forcing there values on us. Don’t hold your breath waiting for an answer to explain the unfairness of it because there is none. That’s why I asked the question because it illustrates the way they try to project on us what they do, imposing there values. Just look for more of the same avoidance and diversion tactics. It’s all they got cause it’s tough to defend against common sense. It shouldn’t have taken this long to answer if there was consistency to their beliefs…

Frank, that bit about “forcing there [sic] values on us” goes both ways. Those of us who feel the Mexico City policy harmed the people of developing countries and lowered world opinion of the US have long endured someone else forcing values on us. Fact is, the United States has obligations in the world of international law to provide funding for international development. And yes, family planning is an important component of that. Successful family planning, without the restrictions of the Mexico City policy, reduce the prevalence of abortions. Whether you like it or not, our taxpayer money goes toward that. When we meet our obligations toward foreign aid, our standing in the world is greatly enhanced and abortion rates drop. Yay! That’s a good thing! Isn’t that what we should be working toward?
Also – and I’m impressed this debate is still going on, I thought it died a week ago – just so you know, in the eyes of the law, an embryo in the first trimester is not considered to have reached full “personhood”, because it is not considered to be viable outside the mother’s womb (a nice way of saying that it is basically a parasite at that point, living off the mother’s resources and threatening to hurt or kill her during the course of the pregnancy). So, yes, it is morally difficult to choose between the mother and the unborn child (I’ve argued earlier here that legally protecting the unborn child over the mother would result in the demise of both, but that’s beside the point) – but the law sides with the mother until the fetus is considered to be viable on its own. Having an abortion (in the medical arena, that is) carries much less risk than carrying the baby to term, so therefore abortion must be legal. That’s not my personal moral view, but it is the view of the law that we live under. Like it or not.
But if you want to condemn women in developing countries to swallowing battery acid or puncturing their internal organs with wire, be my guest.

Well said ‘say what’! At the end of the day, no-one can ‘make’ s woman carry an unwanted pregnancy if they really don’t want to. Doesn’t any of the Gods people believe in cause miscarriages! Are we saying that is murder too? Abortion is legal and everyone needs to deal with that fact.

Kilgore Trout, my point was that the LA Times did a poll stating the majority of people do not want tax dollars going to funding abortion especially during this financial time. It was a purely political move on Obama’s part and he proved his is not really interested in “change” and in responsible spending in Washington.
I agree with you that we have responsibility to the rest of the world which is why we should not act irresponsibly. I disagree with you that this money cuts down on abortions and I don’t want to play statistics tag with you. The more you encourage contraception the more people have intercourse and the more unplanned pregnancies there are thus the more abortions there are as the final contraception. I know this is very unpopular but why not teach abstinence in these developing countries it works 100% of the time.
I understand it’s the “law” but just because something is the law does not mean it’s right. History has proven that.
I will never understand the argument of allowing the killing of unborn babies because if we don’t allow it people will do it anyway and they may hurt themselves doing it illegally. If these poor desperate woman had funds to help them have these babies then everyone wins except of course those who feel “choice” is a badge of honor.
BTW Say What? I never mentioned religion, just another diversion tactic of yours…

Frank, you brought religion into the picture with your Knights of Columbus poll. Nice picture of the Pope on their home page.
Besides, it takes a lot of faith to believe a ball of microscopic cells is the same thing as a baby.

But Frank, it’s not like now that the Mexico City policy is overturned we will suddenly start throwing billions of dollars to pay for all the world’s abortions. I believe someone earlier called this an “abortion bailout.” Not at all – it simply means that, out of the pool of money that is budgeted by Congress and allotted to foreign aid, our donors can provide funding to any NGO that they want. As was discussed earlier, some very excellent NGO’s had to shut down under the Mexico City policy because they felt that being unable to mention abortion in their counseling of young girls was very dangerous (especially being unable to counsel against the dangers of having an unafe/illegal abortion). So yes, each fiscal year Congress figures out a budget and yes, the financial crisis is taken into account. I believe some funding for HIV/AIDS has already been pushed back because of it, so I find it highly unlikely there will suddenly be a huge spending spree on international family planning.
“I disagree with you that this money cuts down on abortions and I don’t want to play statistics tag with you. The more you encourage contraception the more people have intercourse and the more unplanned pregnancies there are thus the more abortions there are as the final contraception. I know this is very unpopular but why not teach abstinence in these developing countries it works 100% of the time.”
I’m sorry, that is just patently false. Every bit of it. It would be wonderful if the world worked that way, but it doesn’t. More people have sex if they’re told that condoms exist? No. There is absolutely no evidence that abstinence and be faithful teaching works even 1% of the time in the absence of contraception counseling, and it only makes us look like a hypocritical nation when we try to demand that family planning agencies in other countries teach that way if they want money from us. I can give you numerous stats and charts if you like, from many diverse and reputable sources such as the World Health Organization, done by very excellent epidemiologists. You may find some quack here and there to back up your side of the argument, but the vast majority agree that increased access to contraceptives lowers the abortion rate, which is lowest in North America and especially Western Europe. Both of these regions have legal abortion and excellent access to contraceptives. Many governments are recognizing this and easing their abortion laws, even in places like Ethiopia and Pakistan. Romania tried to criminalize it for awhile, but quickly reversed that when they realized what it was doing.
I’ve spent some time working on the ground in women’s health care in the Horn of Africa, so I’ve seen with my own eyes what kind of suffering women can endure and how naive it is to think that this will get better with abstinence teaching. Just to highlight how different the circumstances there are for women, infibulation is widely practiced in that part of Africa – this is an extreme form of female genital cutting that is often done to women as a ritual rite of passage or even during early childhood. Basically, everything gets sewn up, if you know what I mean. This can cause severe trauma to the woman when she has sex for the first time, and other problems obviously. I don’t want to be culturally insensitive, but this practice does have its roots in a culture of male domination, as a method of controlling whether a woman has sex or not. Do you think that in this environment, that a health worker at a family planning clinic will do a bit of good telling a woman to just not have sex? That decision is very often not up to her. The only thing that might help her not wind up with 9 kids is if she can be offered something like birth control pills, which she can take without her husband’s knowing if needed. Anyway. Yeah, abortion’s bad, but it makes me sadder that people in this country would want to deny women and girls who live under conditions like that any kind of health care that we have at our disposal here.

Ok no, it will not be a spending spree, nor will it be any more money than we’re already paying for international development. It will likely be less than what we have been spending on foreign aid – the Kaiser network just had an article today about the US and many other countries delaying or cutting their assistance to the Global Fund, for instance. I get that you’re uncomfortable with the idea of “funding abortions” (I put that in quotes because most of this money does not directly fund abortions, especially in countries where it’s illegal – they can’t do that). But if I had my way, well, I wouldn’t pay taxes at all. I’m sure the LA Times could churn out a poll in no time that would show that most Americans support my feeling on that one. But I can’t stop paying taxes just because I don’t like it. Likewise, we can’t (or shouldn’t) stop meeting our foreign aid requirements. And, one major goal of international assistance is reducing maternal mortality, as outlined in the millennium development goals, and you can’t reduce maternal mortality very effectively until you address the issue of unsafe abortion. Maternal deaths negatively impact child health and economic development, etc. I would be tempted to tell you at this juncture that unsafe abortion causes up to 40% of all maternal mortality cases in some countries, but since you prefer newspaper polls to actual data, I’ll refrain.
And while we’re on the subject of stats – yes, it’s a common phrase that you can do anything with stats, and true at times, but it’s a matter of knowing how to interpret things and seeing through the common tricks that people do to manipulate their data. I’m not an epidemiologist or biostatistician, but I do have enough background in both subjects to be able to interpret raw data, and what the WHO is putting out on this matter has been solid, and if anything, the problem is underestimated (case reporting being tricky in things like this that involve something illegal or clandestine).
Anyway, we do agree that abortion is bad and education is one piece of the puzzle in fixing it. And cleaning up cultural problems is great too, but the problem is in actually doing that. If you know how to make an entire population not have sex, or only have sex with one partner, I’d love to hear about it. We could have fixed this years ago and stopped HIV with a wave of our hands. There was a really fascinating article in the New Yorker awhile back – I think it was called “Red Sex, Blue Sex” if you want to google it – that discussed how common sex and pregnancy are among evangelical teenagers. Yeah, the New Yorker is part of the liberal, pro-abortion establishment and all that, but it does criticize the behaviors of the children of social liberals too. The main point was that whether kids received abstinence only education or comprehensive sex ed, the average age of sexual debut was the same – around 16. The difference between them was that social liberals’ children may wind up having more partners and delaying marriage, so there might be more STI’s in that bunch. But teen pregnancy was much more common in the abstinence-only, evangelical crowd, because they were less likely to use or carry condoms, thinking it’s morally wrong to buy them. So – there’s a gap between sexual attitudes and actual practices, and people do have sex. Most of us, actually. That’s the difference between your example of jumping out of a plane sans parachute and using contraception. Skydiving is a fringe activity, sought out by thrill-seekers. Sex is one of the most normal activities that nearly everybody does at some point, and thus how we educate our kids about it should be handled carefully. That New Yorker article mentioned something about the “abstinence plus” movement – encouraging kids to delay sex, but also giving them the information they need about how to protect themselves.

Frank, you wrote, “It is considered a fetus at week 3 and is beginning development of the brain, spinal cord, and heart.”
Wrong, Frank. It is called an embryo until after the 8th week.
Then you wrote, “Your argument about the ‘ball of cells’ is mute because no surgical abortions occur until after the 6th week of gestation.”
My point is neither “mute” nor moot. In fact, my point has nothing to do with the timing of abortions. I have been talking about the pro-life stance that at the moment of conception, you get Instant Person.

The Pro – Life Stance – ” at the moment of conception THERE EXISTS living “human” cells albeit “LIFE” ; not vegetable or mineral LIFE !!! If left to nature these cells develop into a fully – developed baby !!HUMAN – Conception – cells are just the earliest stage of “LIFE” ! And if a “second” party decides to “destroy” those human cells they have “denied” the Right – to- LIFE , LIBERTY AND THE PERSUIT OF HAPPINESS since these early developing human cells cannot decide to continue developing for themselves. Does anybody have the answer to the question about – a “DOUBLE HOMICIDE” charge when a pregnant woman and her unborn “baby” are killed during an outside attack ??

I’m no lawyer either, but I believe it has to do with the fact that those cells that eventually become a person are considered to be part of the mother’s body, especially in early pregnancy. So the mother can decide to do what she wants with her own body, but somebody who wishes to harm her or her unborn child against her will does not have that right. There have also been cases where paramedics have been investigated for violating their scope of practice by performing an emergency caesarian on a dead full-term pregnant woman to save her unborn baby, so it would seem that the welfare of the fetus does not necessarily trump that of even a dead mother. But again, the true reasoning behind the legality of abortion is driven by epidemiological studies, and is to prevent it from becoming an underground practice performed by unskilled abortionists that leads to high maternal mortality. Women need to have the right to health care protected, and since abortion can be done very safely in a medical setting but is extremely dangerous outside of that setting (and often results in more late-term abortions), it is important to preserve this right.

So is abortion wrong? Is abortion right?
Let’s be honest here shall we?…The endless amounts of energy spent debating this issue has proven ineffective time and time again. What’s really at stake here is your ego. It makes you feel superior and useful to protest abortion and those who support it, but how’s that worked out for ya??
You may find it more efficient and rewarding using all of your “passionate issue energy” to visit an inner city school or donate your time with underprivileged teens. Or how about this….. pretend you’re a sexually abused and pregnant 13 yr old minority with a mother who works two jobs, a dad that isn’t around, and a society who sees no further than the political games of voter-exploitation at your expense.
I’m confident that if you stepped outside of your fairytale and exercised compassion, rather than pointless condemnation, your chances of saving a precious life may just improve.

“This abortion issue will not go away until the consciences of every individual “understands” why it is wron !”
Folks think they are holier than thou
And tell biblical stories of how
Cells are a person
And abortion is worse than
What any of their commandments allow.

Pro-lifers make up terminology
Like “pre-born” for human cytology.
It’s their sheer desperation
That a cellular formation
Have a soul, not just basic biology.