Prez-Elect Makes New Pitch, Promises on Job Creation — Including 600,000 New Government Employees

This is a good start.
JOBS is going to be KEY to create in 2009.

Yea! Just what we need…more government suits telling us what we can and can not do! This is great…and the infrastructure projects should keep illegal immigration alive since these are considered “non skilled” jobs. I guess this is what Socialism is all about…keep people dumb and working for the government. When I am President, I guarantee you the government will be cut by 40% and those people now working in the government can go learn and teach history, math and science to kids and tell them the failed experiment of Constitutional Socialism was a failed idea. Wake up America, time to strap on your boots and kick these people out of OUR government

600,000 New Government Employees???
Yes this will really help out the private sector. TAXATION of the private industry and working people to support all 600,000 New Government jobs.

he changed his background again???
BTW, how can he create 2 million jobs without corporate tax rate???

The last thing we need is an additional 600,000 federal government employees. The most expensive part of any business is the employee. Government IS HUGE business. Hire an additional 600,000 and you create a massive continuing expense. We need to be cutting in most departments. How about a top down review of every government agency and a mandatroy reduction of 10 percent in spending accross the board?

The sad thing is the Democrats in congress are in a position to approve this trillion dollar waste without debate. They will also approve another trillion dollar for the Democratic governors who can’t manage their own finances. The US automakers will be back in Washington in January to ask for another 100-200 billion; again, who believes the Democrats in congress will say no. The steel industry is also looking for several hundred billion dollars. Heck, there is even talk that the newspapers and other media are going to ask for a bailout now that the party they supported in the election is in power. Add all of this up and you get to well over 2.5 TRILLION dollars. Not one Democrat has raised a concern at these staggering numbers.
An out of control Democratic congress will be the biggest danger to Mr. Obama. He has shown no interest in stopping any of this. The Republicans will not have the votes to stop it.
This truly is a sad day for America as David has stated previously. Do we no longer care what kind of country we will leave our children?

Roberto in Oregon,
Your comments are truly frightening. How can anyone fail to understand that government jobs are paid for by our taxes. Government jobs do not create any real wealth. These jobs will be paid for by higher taxes on citizens, which will reduce spending. These jobs will also be paid for by higher taxes and fees on businesses. This too will have a corrosive affect on business – the real wealth creation engine. If government jobs could create wealth then communism would be the greatest economic system available. It is not, communism and socialism bring stagnation and rob people of their freedoms.
Governments do not create wealth.

The alternative to government jobs is privatization with tax dollars going into such companies as KBR and Blackwater.

Kat, if all you have to offer is Democratic party talking points then you add no value. Both parties need to be held accountable.
We need leadership from both parties to end the cycle of overspending and ineffective government.

James- I wasn’t offering a Democratic talking point, just a couple of examples of privatizing government services. Of course we need effective leadership from both sides on the economic challenges we face. And hopefully, the Republicans won’t attempt to undermine a badly needed stimulus plan by evoking stereotypical points like government should be sized down.

kat – I believe government does need to be sized down. Spending needs to be greatly reduced. Check out the national debt if you don’t believe me. No more silly wars would help too. Go to the GAO website and look at what is going to happen in about 2030 when Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security dwarf our GDP. You think it is bad now, just wait.

DAVE: “Kat, The left tends to feel money spent by the government is Holy, Good and other similar terms while money paid to or earned by corporations is Evil, Sinful etc.”
Creating a false strawman as a way of ignoring legitimate debate is not useful in finding a solution. Remember that many of Obama’s strongest supporters – from Warren Buffet to Larry Page – know a thing or two about earning billions in the private sector AND still support a “left” government.
The government can do some things very well, better than the private sector has ever proven capable of – universal education (and vouchers would still be a government program), common defense, common infrastructure, business law (enforcement of contracts a fundamental requirement for a capitalist society), etc.
Many on the ‘left’ simply want government to achieve it’s core requirements competently and feel that respect for competence and science has been sorely lacking in the past few years.
I would like to get past meaningless bumperstickers like “downsize government” and start to talk specifics. What program, exactly, do you want to eliminate or privatize? Beneath the talking points, lets find what we agree on first, cut it (I’d love to see the TSA farce gutted), and then get to arguing over our actual differences.

Doing a little investigating instead of jumping to conclusions is often quite helpful.
Then you would know “new government employees” means: “a lot of the government jobs would be state and local workers whom the plan saves from layoffs.” per Obama aides. e.g. police, fire, etc.

Paige- so “new government jobs” means old government jobs?

Kat – ok, agreed. Need arguments from both sides. I believe that the market forces will be dominate no matter what the government tries to do, but it will be interesting to watch nonetheless.

richard said “There are still high paying jobs on certain job sites”
Absolutely right. Here in Texas we see a steady stream of people moving in to escape the mess in California, which improves our economy. We have no state income tax and our state government does not overreach with misguided social programs to the point of damaging our economy. We also have state leadership that sees the value in fostering a healthy business environment through low taxes. If your state economy is in trouble and your state government has destroyed the business climate in your state you still have a choice. Moving might not be the first option to consider but it is there if there simply is no other options.
All I ask if you do come to Texas is that you leave the failed notion of government as the solution behind. Bring your work ethic with you and you will see that your success in Texas will not be punished. Sorry for the plug for my state but I am truly proud of where we are as a state. There are other states that have similar success stories and they too represent an opportunity for anyone who is struggling to provide for their families.
Wish y’all the best – wherever that pursuit takes you.

PEOPLE!!!!
START CLEANING OUT THE OLD HOUSE AND SENATE TO MAKE WAY FOR THE NEW GENERATION OF POLITICIANS THAT IS FOR THE PEOPLE!!!!!!
NEW VISION, YOUNGER IDEAS!!!!

Paige:Aides to Obama elaborated even further that they thought the 80% figure for the private sector would end up being higher.
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I would suggest it is Obama’s presentation that is poor, if aides have to come around and explain that “creating new jobs” actually means counting old jobs.

I believe sisterdearest09 has drunk the kool aide. Do you not realize what the huge deficits that Obama is talking about will do to the “PEOPLE!!!”. He is talking about a TRILLION!!! dollars for a stimulus plan. Another TRILLION!!! dollars is being requested by the Democratic governors who have failed to act fiscally responsible. The US automakers will be back in Washington to ask for another 200-300 BILLION!!! dollars. The steel industry is also asking for another TRILLION!!! dollars. And to add insult to injury, the media is asking for several hundred BILLION!!! dollars to help them limp along for another few months. It is very likely that the congress that you are so excited about today will approve all of these.
This spending will bring waves of inflation that will hurt senior citizens living on fixed income. It will also hurt people searching for jobs because businesses will refuse to take the risk of hiring new employees when they know that money the government is about to spend will translate into higher taxes for them.
If Obama does not stop this madness YOU will be hurt.

Paige:These types of addresses are usually general with follow-up by good reporters for specifics. That is lacking here.
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“These types of addresses”? It is a self-produced PR spot for the man waiting to take office. He wants to make it sound like he is really going to do something- like create 3 million new jobs– 600,000 of which would be new government jobs.
A good reporter pokes holes in a politician’s PR-based promises. That’s what Jake Tapper did.

Thank heavens we have someone intelligent at the helm. For all those commenting here who voted for Bush–we saw how your guy worked out so please be quiet.

600,000 new GOVERNMENT jobs??? is this for real?? this IDIOT wants to add 600,000 new government jobs???? wow, i guess all you mindless liberals were right: THIS IS CHANGE.

What you’re not used to is honesty and openness.
Bush and the Republicans came in promising smaller government and ended up setting RECORD levels of overspending for basically 8 years straight. They were HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of dollars over budget EVERY year
Bush and the Republicans also grossly increased the size of government, while having promised exactly the opposite.
Obama is being open and out front about what he intends to do in terms of spending. He was open and out front about what he intended to do during the election.
These are extraordinary circumstances the previous government’s term has left things in.
I’m willing to bet Obama does a much better job than Bush and the Republicans – we all know the great financial health the Republicans restored to the government and the country. At least some of the money will get to regular Americans, not just the elite buddies of the Republicans.

PEOPLE ACROSS AMERICA NEED TO STAND UP AND TAKE BACK OUR GOVERNMENT!!!!!!
WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE!!!!
GET RID OF THE REPUBLICAN AND DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!!!
THEY HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING FOR THE PEOPLE BUT PREACHED HATE AND RACISM!!!!!
ENOUGH!!!!

The Gubbamint can’t even run its own house. You think this sits well with the 3/4 of America that can balance its check book? New “G” jobs? Does that come with biscuits and gravy? This set of elected officals should be impeached and new people elected because this group doesn’t know jack about running a government for the people. They think they know it all and we are stupid peons with our heads in the sand. Lets quit the political sides bickering and join together and take back our Nation before these Bozos give us away for their own profit!!

600,000 new government jobs doesn’t sound like too much especially if they start with filling in needed posts. The Border Guards have been requesting more people for years. The EPA as well as the FDA can’t do the required number of inspections because they lack manpower. Just think about it for a minute. And then take into account each state’s manpower needs for bridge inspectors, repairers, or their health inspectors or health care workers. It would add up pretty quickly.
As to whether this will help the economy, I think it would. 3 million more jobs doesn’t just create more taxpayers but the money they spend in their communities creates a ripple effect. That combined with Obama’s plan to lessen taxes for working people will expand this ripple effect even more. It is the opposite of the failed ‘trickle down’ theory, which gave short term gains to the rich and helped the economy spiral down. ‘Trickle up’ works much more efficiently and for the long haul.

good talk, he was being kind and a politician. we all know how we got here.
we were bushed, we were told to shut up, like it or be called unpatriotic.
we were bushed.
Hey bushed,
Obama is using THE SAME VAGUE TACTICS evry president uses. Keep your Obama worship to yourself.

Rachel – LMAO – Putting the Presidential address on video is a tremendous improvement as few people listen to the Presidential Radio Address anymore. This gives people access via computer video and other means.
It’s great for all Americans no matter if the President is a Republican or Democrat.
It’s really sad when you can’t even give Obama credit for bringing the weekly radio address into the 21st Century.

Government employees add NOTHING to the economy except the additional taxes required to pay their salaries. They produce NOTHING. What are they thinking????

Maybe all employees should be government employees. That seemed to work well for the Soviet Union. Who is advising him on this matter…Bill Ayers?

Everyone needs to start thinking and stop feeling – no part of government can ‘create’ anything without first ‘taking’ from someone else i.e. tax dollars – the only way to improve our economy is to REDUCE the size of government and go back to the FREE MARKET principles that built this country, the greatest ever on earth!

Legalize drugs, prostitution and gambling. tax the hell of that. Problem solved.

Throwing money at the problem will not solve the problem. The term “infrastructure”, when used in a stimulus bill, means boondoggle or pork. It also means nicer landscaping for government buildings.
Government stimulus bills are based on the idea that feeding new money into the economy will increase demand, and thus production. But where does government get this money? Congress doesn’t have its own stash. Every dollar it injects into the economy must first be taxed or borrowed out of the economy. No new spending power is created. It’s merely redistributed.
Economic growth can be accomplished only by making American workers more productive. The best measure of a policy’s impact on economic growth is through productivity rates. Lower marginal tax rates encourage working, saving and investment, all of which increase productivity. Reforming — rather than merely throwing money at — education and infrastructure will raise future productivity.

It’s funny how everything started going REAL bad when the Dems took over the House and Senate. Research Barney Frank regarding Fannie and Freddie regulations. All the names have (D)’s behind them.
Lets do the Math:
Bailouts for Banks: 750 Billion
New stimulus package: 750 Billion
infastructure: 1 Trillion
states bailout: 1 Trillion
Government budget: 650 billion
Total spending: 4.15 trillion!!!!
Where does this money come from?????????
Next will healthcare
51% of Americans are just plain STUPID!!!

Seems there are more immediate issues, namely that BHO is not yet President Elect (WHY NO MEDIA COVERAGE OF THIS?) –
MESSAGE TO EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS:
When counting the electoral votes, either Congress finds by 1/8/09 that Obama — not being an Article II “natural born citizen” (father Kenyan/British, not American, citizen) — fails to qualify as President whereupon Biden becomes the full fledged President under 3 USC 19 (free to pick his own VP such as Hillary) or thereafter defers to the Supreme Court to enjoin Obama’s inauguration with Biden becoming only Acting President under the 20th Amendment until a new President is duly determined.
The preferable choice, at least for the Democrats, would seem obvious.

BILL, you are right, if BHO were to become President, as not being qualified under Article II of the Constitution, he would be an unconstitutional usurper/imposter as Pres, and would need all those new federal domestic military police to keep his coup d’etat in power.

600,000 Stasi

Hmmm–600,000 new gvt jobs = 1,200,000 new Democrat voters in 2010–2012. Obama and the Dems must be feeling the coming backlash already. Next time, they may not be able to launder all the tens of millions of dollars of illegal foreign and domestic campaign donations that helped the scumbag media get Obama elected.

The government does not CREATE jobs in the true sense of the word. Only the private sector can do this. The government can aid the private sector with smart laws. Unfortunately, as Mr. Reid and Ms. Pelosi have clearly demonstrated, Washington is bereft of the ability to make smart laws. As Mr. Dodd and Mr. Frank have shown, the Washington patricians are only out for themselves and to hell with the rest of us plebeians.

600,000 new unionized govt. jobs,think of all the union dues donated to the dems, sounds just like the bail out of UAW, keep them dues units coming,the dems have an uninterupted flow of political donations. When they vote in card check off there will be even more dues coming in.Anyone out there who think this will benefit workers never belonged to a union!!

Consider also that those new government employees will probably be unionized, so not only will the American People pay for the salary and healthcare of 600,00 civil servants, we will also pay for their pension plans and other union demands. That is working out swell in California!

I admire the fact that he was willing to give this address from his Marxist Ivory tower office. That’s a bold move.

Everybody cuts spending in hard times. How about the government cutting spending? With them it’s always more.

from what I can see by reading the comments — the biggest ever-lovin’ idiots are:
JJ, BILL, c.moore and paige. Good god, people…get a life and get over it.
I totally agree with pennsylvaniavoter
“PEOPLE!!!!
START CLEANING OUT THE OLD HOUSE AND SENATE TO MAKE WAY FOR THE NEW GENERATION OF POLITICIANS THAT IS FOR THE PEOPLE!!!!!!
NEW VISION, YOUNGER IDEAS!!!!”

Do not worry, so long as taxes are up, and there are no incentives to the rich, the rich will hold onto their money and not invest it. No business venture, no employment. Oh, BTW, if you think the gov’t is going to hire everybody, and everybody will be employed, and taxing the rich will solve everything by taking away the opportunity of the American Dream, you are in for something else.
It will leave a lot of people sleeping hungry and stealing.

Roll out the printing presses and change the cut from $100 to $1000 bills – also invest your money in wheelbarrow manufacuerers because you’ll need one for each member of the family when they go shopping with bundled greenbacks.

Hey I know. Why don’t we just change the flag. Maybe red with a hammer and sickle, it’s not being used anymore.

Increasing the budget ( creating greater tax burden on the people ) by creating make-work jobs for the semi-employable is hardly adding to the productivity of the people. This bailout requires more than a symbolic thimble.
The Democrats need to take another look at the Preamble to the Constitution.. it is We The People not We The Government that is the first cause of this country.

PEOPLE need to wake up and figure out who this man really is. Why didn’t he ever show his legal birth certificate? All we get is silence from him and he has hired 3 law firms to fight the over 20 lawsuits that continue to grow. If he were really qualified he would have coughed a real one up by now to prove he is eligible to serve. Well guess what? He ISN’t!
Join the grassfire group if you can, we are growing in numbers and are organizing a conservative front.

I just cannot believe we elected someone that has no clue what they are doing. I just don’t get it!!!

Who is John Gault?

how about this? no new laws being signed in until all the current laws are enforced?
once that is done, then maybe we could tackle things like swiss and cayman island bank accounts hiding assets.
after that, how about we get together with the fed, all the banks they bailed out, freddie/fannie, and such, and tell them either they say exactly how much do they actually owe in these derivatives, or they go into the general population of the local jails with no protection from the other prisoners until they do disclose everything? and if they aren’t disclosed within say 120 days in jail, then all derivative papers are considered null and void?

And the buyers’ remorse starts in 3-2-1…

Once my main man gits in I’s gonna finully git ma raparashuns that yuse whities be owin us. We be ownin dis here cuntry.

the chickens are coming home to roost….. The rabid masses of bush haters elected this guy…… Thanks a lot for getting us into this new and exciting mess. Who are you all going to blame now??????

There is enough money sitting on the sidelines that all Obama has to do is to lower (and keep them there!) the taxes on capital gains. I have a bunch of money, but I don’t intend to invest it in anything that will be heavily taxed by the incompetent government.

The last thing we need is to add govt. jobs! 600k? What the heck is he thinking! Hey Obama! It’s called a deficit!

Dave on the Lake! Absolutely brilliant! Unfortunately, a waste or your time writing it and my time reading it. This insanity will continue until the people revolt because they are starving to death or China and/or Russia attack and end it for all life on the planet. I luckily am in my sixties and will probably die of old age before either happens but it’s coming just as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow. It’s already over for the United States the socialists have control of education and each year that goes by brings forth a dumber group of lambs. Obama is going to get his global warming crap passed in Congress and then they will be able to tax you for heavy breathing. They have already demonized the corporations that feed us and the morons look upon big business as the enemy and government as the solution. To use a soon to be illegal phrase “GOD HELP US ALL!”

Hmm… Wonder if this is that internal security force Obama spoke of?

Ted, I can only hope that the left wing media network nerds will some day wake up, see that they helped elect Alfred E. Newman President, and bite themselves in their own rear ends. However, this is about as likely as a red and green polka dotted snow storm.
Rush Limbaugh was right again.

Holy Cow! THAT’S THE ANSWER!!! Just spend more money, create new jobs, create new subsidies, cut more taxes, provide more services, wage more wars, elect more polititians for longer terms, legalize drugs, legalize prostitution, legalize everything, spend, spend spend, spend, and it ALL gets better! Finally, a President that knows what he is doing……

You know I’m kidding right?!?

600,000 more mouths to feed…
Dear god, I can’t afford the mouths I paying for already. Just what will this new army do? Will the be used to insure I “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”. or will they be employed as bankers?
Americans, how long will you play the fool?

Is the government to big to fail ?

We dont need 600,000 new government employees nearly as badly as we need the 10 trillion American dollars now resting in off-shore banks all over the world. The have been driven away by our tax policies. The FAIRTAX would bring it all back, along with millions of new REAL jobs from companies all over the world.
One survey of the CEOs of the top 500 corporations showed that, if the FAIRTAX were passed, about 65% would open a facility here ASAP. The other 35% said they would move their world headquarters to the USA immediately. And that is JUST the 500 companies that were interviewed. There would be THOUSANDS of companies to come here with MILLIONS of new high paying jobs in the USA. You would have to HIDE to not have a good job. We would need more new citizens to fill the demand for jobs.
Tax policy is the single most powerful tool in building (or destroying) jobs and real abundance.
Take some time and look at how Ireland has turned themselves around for a small example. FAIRTAX would be MUCH larger than that.
I ask all who read this to not believe what you have heard about the FAIRTAX, but instead get educated on the topic. ( “The FAIRTAX BOOK”.)
Or, go to Bermuda, Belize, Switzerland or any other offshore haven and look at all the banks full of American dollars. And do some research about how many American companies operate out of foreign offices because of more favorable tax laws there.
Of course there are many other benefits to the FAIRTAX, but when talk turns to how to repair our failing economy, it is a mistake to leave The FAIRTAX out of the discussion.
With over 20 million invested in research, The FAIRTAX is the MOST RESEARCHED BILL ever introduced to Congress.
It is the real, and perhaps the only, way out of the problems we face in this country. With 55 Trillion in un-funded debts, we must GET REAL very soon and implement this solution or we will become extinct like the old USSR.
The FAIRTAX. I hated it when I first heard about it.
Then I got myself educated. I hope you do too.
or “The FairTax Book” by Boortz and Linder.

Wow, its a sitcom. Bottom line, the next four years are going to be a really poorly written Reality Show.
Smoke and mirrors, thats what we’ll get.

600,000 are to run on gerbil wheels to generate electricity. Great energy plan!

All people who are interested in doing something to support what is left of our Democratic Republic by supporting our Constitution AS IT IS WRITTEN need to join the grassfire resistance network. We are organizing on line to take peaceful action.

WHILE THE USA IS DIVIDED, WHO OWNS THE FEDERAL RESERVE.
WHY DID OBAMA HIRE THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION, OOPS THERE GOES BILL RICHARDSON,

For twelve years you’ve been asking “Who is John Galt?” This is John Galt speaking. I’m the man who’s taken away your victims and thus destroyed your world. You’ve heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis and that Man’s sins are destroying the world. But your chief virtue has been sacrifice, and you’ve demanded more sacrifices at every disaster. You’ve sacrificed justice to mercy and happiness to duty. So why should you be afraid of the world around you?
Your world is only the product of your sacrifices. While you were dragging the men who made your happiness possible to your sacrificial altars, I beat you to it. I reached them first and told them about the game you were playing and where it would take them. I explained the consequences of your ‘brother-love’ morality, which they had been too innocently generous to understand. You won’t find them now, when you need them more than ever.
We’re on strike against your creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. If you want to know how I made them quit, I told them exactly what I’m telling you tonight. I taught them the morality of Reason — that it was right to pursue one’s own happiness as one’s principal goal in life. I don’t consider the pleasure of others my goal in life, nor do I consider my pleasure the goal of anyone else’s life.

oh what a beautiful day! lol Very tongue in cheek he says. Obama’s not a socialist they say! You’re correct. He’s a full fledged Marxist and he’s probably not even a citizen. But hey…. American’s are smart arent’ they? Oh…. Jan 20th will be such a sad day.
There is good news today though. Bill Richardson stepped down because he got caught with his hands in the cookie jar!
Maybe more good news will flow from Blago at some point too!

Beabout, the 600,000+ national police force would be used to keep the Obama coup d’etat in power, by supressing (jailing, killing, etc.) those who would favor keeping our constituion.
This is no joke. We’re on the verge of losing our constitutional republic to a usurper. (Watch out for the double-deck shackle equipped FEMA prison trains and new FEMA concentration camps. This is no joke either.)

I’m with you Ted……scarey

Excellent Mr. Tapper for once in noting the 600,000 Soviet style work force added to police the public in keeping tabs on all the Obama voters just like Penny Pritzker kept tabs on all Obama voters in finance to when they opened emails.
If one adds the $1 trillion the socialists in Pelosi and Reid with the Marxist in Obama for select union payoffs along with internet and construction kickbacks, this is pure Hugo Chavez. I’m surprised Prime Minister Obama has not offered a confiscation of oil wealth funds to be given away to his voters.
Mr. Obama fully intends with Pelosi to bribe the public to get him past his first 90 days. I doubt though Pat Robertson heard it correctly from God that America is going to willingly embrace a deeper socialism.
I do hope that Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Greens and whoever else work together as the people in leadership positions are not doing what you sent them to DC for. Everyone needs to step back and stop following Mr. Obama or Mr. Bush and stop the trend of this socialist state and implement a production society where all people will be rewarded greatly for their work.
Happy New Year

600,000 MORE ON TAXPAYERS DOLE..TO TAKE MORE (FROM NOW YOUR GRANDCHILDREN’S TAX RESPONSIBILITY) FROM YOU TO CONTROL MORE OF YOU SO YOU CAN HAVE LESS.
AND MEDIA IS SO HELPFUL TO GOV’T.

and where do I apply?

Why wont people place the blame for the financial crisis where it belongs:
1) Initially Bill Clinton for lowering mortgage requirements.
2) Everyone in Congress (Democrat and Republican) for allowing this to continue.
When looking at the numbers in the 90s they decided that lending practices were discriminatory (minorities, statistically, have lower credit scores) so they made it easier to get loans. Unintended consequence — Burst of lending to people who could not afford it. After the floodgates were opened race/income was no longer an issue, everyone could get loans with inadequate income.
All of the weird packaging that the investment banks did was secondary. If there hadn’t been all these bad loans in the first place, there would never have been a market need/want/desire for questionable packaging.
In the last 9 years, Congress has done nothing. Greenspan did nothing. Anyone with half a brain knows that after a period of extreme leveraging you eventually have deleveraging.
I will say that it appears that more Democrats in oversight roles took more money then their Republican equivalents (Obama is #2 all time recipient of Fannie/Freddie funds having only been in office a couple of years behind people in office decades). That doesn’t excuse the Republicans because they still got nothing done when they were in control.
Whats the difference between Democrats and Republicans. I really cant say in a public forum without getting banned.

First how can he give or make any kind of decisions? Has he been elected by the people yes he has .. Has he provided his documents to prove he can remain in the office to which he presumes is his? NO!
There is still no answer to that question. How can he spend over 800,000.00 dollars of we the taxpayers money to prevent the truth from being told ? He is not a Natural BORN citizen.
Natural born: Born in the USA from parents who are both US citizens in the following way: either (a) naturalized citizens, or (b) native born citizens, or (c) natural born citizens. Acquire US citizenship by birth.
WHY do not any of you BIG MOUTHED news people talk about that on your next report where OBAMA is the topic …
Because if you hand over the oval office to a man who is a “FRAUD” we the people will surly stand against this action.
This country was built on one small piece of paper, called the CONSTITUTION and that paper has worked for us the “people” for over 200 years.
This country’s men & women have have been Disenfranchised by lies told to the public from news persons on your channel. Start telling the TRUTH to AMERICAN, BEFORE, ITS TO LATE …
Also if you persons are reading this comment join GRASSFIRE.COM for the reall news and truth about AMERICA.
CandyO

How pitiful is it that three new Senators will be Al Franken, Caroline Kennedy and a school system bureaucrat from Colorado? We are sinking lower and lower.

Typical Obama voter using the “racist” card. I have heard that so many times, it does not mean anything to me anymore.

Bring on Balkanization!

There is plenty for the government to do to make everyday life in America better. For example, how about refurbishing and maintaining schools? Or, fixing roads? Repair of broken and outdated water pipes, etc.
Then… with all that money people will make working on these projects, my guess is they will pay their mortgages, rent, buy food, etc.
I am all for that.

puppetmaster = person with hand up someones a$$

That’s right, and guess who gave Bush the surplus, the Republican Congress, they are the ones that balanced the budget.

I LOVE THE PEOPLE WHO SAY CRITICIZING THIS NEW CLOWN FOR A PRESIDENT IS BEING RACIST
NO, MY FRIENDS IT’S CALLED KNOWING YOUR ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND.
THIS GUY DOESN’T HAVE A CLUE HOW TO RUN A COUNTRY
HE IS A COMMUNITY ORGANIZER! BUT YOU GUYS WOULDN’T KNOW THAT
ALL YOU HEARD WAS “WELFARE FOR EVERYONE”

600,000 in the National Civilian Security Force.

Karvictho, Who do you think will pay for all of those projects and salaries? Fool.

Isn’t the puppet master Rick Moranis? Oh, sorry, he was the Keymaster…..

Olga said: “Typical Obama voter using the ‘racist’ card. I have heard that so many times, it does not mean anything to me anymore.”

3 points..
I’m getting too old to kneel. Wasn’t it Al Franken that was accusing Bush of stealing the election in Florida? Now as we stink lower into socialism, who’s gonna pay for these 600,000 new government jobs?

Ahh, so we continue to see the politics of “shuck and jive”…
You sensed it was coming and low and behold, “thar she blows!”.
Hold on to your chairs and remember, four years will go by fairly quickly providing the Republicans keep this guy in check…then we’ll get some real leadership in there.
Heaven help us!

The media got him elected, so, don’t expect them to talk about what is going on. Their hate for Bush has produced a socialist in the White house. And to correct one post, the educational level of the folks who voted for Obama was far lower than McCain… and personally, I wasn’t a fan of McCain all that much.

Yo, Appanage.
I didn’t lose one dime until Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid took over the Congress.
The economy was FINE until then. Live with it.
To those of you calling people who don’t worship Obama racists, you’re gonna eat your words; he is our first affirmative action present-dent; when he’s done, people will be screaming for equal treatment of ALL people, not just blacks.
Empty suit, that’s all he is.

Boy oh boy!!!
Here it comes……
The Messiah’s first plan, and it’s a DOOZY!!! Spent yet MORE taxpayer money on more GOVERNMENT jobs, we DO NOT need./
This is ONLY to boost his “unemployment rating” right off the bat so it looks like he’s getting something done, besides spending taxpayer money.
Hell, ANY moron can do that, Bush did it.

He better make those bogus Obama coins legal tender. He’s going to need them.

The American Nation State is toast.

BHO is NOT President yet; he’s not even President-Elect yet.
MESSAGE TO EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS:
When counting the electoral votes, either Congress finds by 1/8/09 that Obama — not being an Article II “natural born citizen” (father Kenyan/British, not American, citizen) — fails to qualify as President whereupon Biden becomes the full fledged President under 3 USC 19 (free to pick his own VP such as Hillary) or thereafter defers to the Supreme Court to enjoin Obama’s inauguration with Biden becoming only Acting President under the 20th Amendment until a new President is duly determined.
The preferable choice, at least for the Democrats, would seem obvious.

Sounds like Hugo Obama.
Why not nationalize everything?

Appanage, I just don’t understand why some people use that when they debate others. I wish people that use that could somehow use their brain to think of something of substance to debate about, like what is your argument for all of these List of Obama’s Broken Promises:
I promise to use federal campaign funds………………………………Broken
I will change Washington with new faces……………………………..Broken
I will not hire lobbyists, hires lobbyist Daschle……………………..Broken
I will be bi-partisan. Hires highly partisan Emanual………………Broken
I will eliminate Bush tax cuts…………………………………………….Breaking
I will get US troops out of Iraq in 16 month………………………..Breaking
I will dump Patriot Act wire tapping………………………………….Breaking
I will eliminate tax breaks for wealthy………………………………..Breaking
Also, Obama told voters during the presidential election that he wanted to work with both sides of the abortion debate to reduce the number of abortions. Yet, he picked a top staffer for one of the biggest pro-abortion groups to become his communications director.
What is your argument for Bill Richardson “pay-to-play” Investigation? Are you just going to keep calling everyone “racist”?

Bush didn’t make this mess, and it dwarfs Iraq.
Find us a single Republican who swore there was nothing wrong at Fannie and Freddie.
One.
Find one Democrat who, between 1999 and 2007, wanted reform of Fannie and Freddie.
Dodd wanted more DEregulation as recently as August 2007.

Short the market with alacrity. I missed out 15K > 8K. I sure am not missing out 8K > 5K.
Rob

Marianne – For gosh sakes, get over it. Florida is OVER you lame excuse for an American. If any of you libs had even tried to give GWB a chance, as we conservatives will do for Obama, this country would be in alot better shape internationally than it is today. I am soooo sick of you whiners. How long will you continue to invoke the GWB name as your excuse for anything that goes wrong. God I’m so sick of you people.

Before his first term is up, Obama will have ratings lower than Bush.
Everyone who voted for him and promoted him including the left wing media will be slapping their own foreheads.
Obama is an impressive speaker and an attractive black man, but that about all. I think his suit is empty but his closet if full of crooks.
We will find out pretty soon.
And hey, all you Americans, Enjoy your 600,000 new pains in the butt.
John West,
(a Canadian who tries really hard to love America)

America has been destroyed by the courts, greed, power, corruption and more corruption. Politicians buying votes by promising moon and stars. Giving away free this and that to everybody (except for normal people). More of the same will result in more destruction. More destruction will result in more of the same. America hasn’t had an ethical, honest, statesman in the whitehouse since God knows when. Certainly none in the past 100 years.

John Gault was a character from one of Ayn Rand’s plays. She was from Russia and despised socialism. I believe most liberals who know anything (academic types)like to float the idea that she was a fascist to discourage young minds from reading her. This is not true and like topics of this sort one has to read the work to decide for oneself. She warned her readers about where she thought this country was going a few years back.

Another $100,000.00 gazebo!!!
When Obama was Illinois State Senator in 2000, he promised to build a $1.1 million botanical garden to revitalize the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago. He PROMISD that construction would begin by early 2001.
It was NEVER built.
Obama did manage to give $100,000.00 in state money to build a gazebo on the site of the promosed botanical garden. he gave the $100,000.00 to a campaign donor, ths gazebo looks like it was the blue-light special from K-Mart.
Obama was a TOTAL FAILURE as a community organizer, a total failure as a State Senator, a TOTAL FAILURE as US SEnator, and will be a TOTAL FAILURE as president.

Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
– H. L. Mencken

It’s all OK. Once I lose my current job, Barack will get me a job digging ditches in his New New Deal’s New Civilian Conservation Corps.

To all who comment, especially those who
throw darts, flame other posters, get your own blog and state your wisdom there. This is why so many forums fold, because of the small minded who continue to name call and belittle. Comment on the subject at hand as an adult or say nothing. Yes, I do have my own blog where I will comment about “PEBO”.

And another thing …
As you print billions of fiat dollars backed by … well, nothing, your currency will diminish in value driving up the Canadian dollar. For that I thank you.
Our idiots in Ottawa (Canada’s national capital) are not much smarter than your idiots, but our banks and our citizens seem to be a bit smarter in that, most of us don’t buy stuff we can’t pay for and banks don’t lend money to people who can’t pay it back.
Canada will continue to prosper while you folks hover around the event horizon of your black hole economy. You get closer to be being sucked in with every new bail-out package.
If you don’t get some sanity in your leadership soon, I think you are headed for another civil war.
I think you people should have voted in Ron Paul. He is the only one who isn’t exactly like the others.

Obama comments on the economy, he commented on the Mumbai terror attacks, but he has no comment on Hamas’ terrorist attacks against Israel? Is his teleprompter broken? When is sissy Obama going to comment on Gaza? he can’t keep voting “present” forever as he did as an Illinois Senator!!!!

Marianne Thompson, wow, I cannot believe you just asked that question. Maybe you need to learn about Andrew Cuomo.

So far I’ve tried to give Obama the benefit of the doubt. Sure I’ve been harsh, but his supporters were no less harsh of the opposition.
But. This is stupid in the extreme. Adding 600,000 new employees does absolutely nothing but increase the size of peons and thralls beholden to government for their very lives. And who, do you suppose, these witless thralls will vote for next election.
This is pure Marx. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Jimmy said:
“what i will NEVER understand is why we can not put the country first and politics aside when we are in dire straits.”
Have you been on board the last eight years? “Bipartisanship” at its finest my man. As long as we do what you want you’ll play nice. Otherwise the long knives come out.

I hate to say it but, even if the agencies got the money tomorrow, the federal government’s process to HIRE federal employees takes forever, if they hire at all. And, like the bailout, there’s no effective Congressional oversight.
The FDA was called on the carpet by Congress just last year for that very thing – they’d received the money long before, but still hadn’t hired. Of course, the FDA immediately began an (outsourced) and supposedly expedited hiring effort – AND STILL DIDN’T END UP HIRING, despite receiving applications from numerous qualified employees.
The hiring process is terribly complex and convoluted – check one box wrong, and even an extremely qualified candidate is automatically eliminated. If this is going to work, the process has to be SERIOUSLY re-evaluated, although it will probably be good for felons getting out of the service who will now have hiring preference.

Not being an Obama supporter, but yet wishing him the best for all of us in the next 4 years, I had hoped that he would “cut” 600,000 government jobs. This would be while on his way to having the FBI investigate the likes of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters and the rest of those who got us all in the Freddie/Fannie debacle.

appanage … we also have a small business; 26 employees. surviving under the republicans the last 8 years has been a real challenge and that is putting it lightly.
health care costs are thru the roof. unlike the big corps we actually ‘care’ about our employees.

GREAT. Another $74 an hour “factory” workers with full bennies. Yup, we’ll be paying thru our taxes for a veddy veddy long time!

franklin: “The wheels are coming off the Obama transition. It is mired in corruption and incompetence.”

Are all these jobs going to be in Washington, D.C., California and Texas?
I like the idea of cutting payroll taxes a lot more. At least that way the benefits will be spread throughout all the states and won’t just be a boon to certain geographic areas, leaving other areas of the country to carry the economic weight.

600,000 more, may I suggest increasing the Army’s Size with that! With the world the way it is today that might be a good start on what is needed……

So our taxes will go to hire 600,000 gov’t employees who are rarely supervised, unionize themselves and then we are stuck with all their benefits and pensions. With all the talk about overpaid private company CEO’s and corruption on Wall Street – someone should look at the corruption of union leaders who destroy companies and squander millions on themselves, not there for the benefit of the workers. Workers in America should wake up and demand union leadership that is honest or opt out. Same with Congress and their perks and benefits/pensions. American workers can only be taxed so much to support these people!

when one builds a county highway or interstate bridge, is that not a government job?
are you saying that our infrastructure is sound and needs no repair?

I would like to say something, please don’t use the word “all” as in “all women whatever” or “all government workers are lazy.” Let’s start using the word “some” more.
I’m a government employee I’m also retired military. When I walk in to my workplace, I’m there for one reason, to work. I work on military aircraft engines, I give you the taxpayer and the military the very best product that I can. My co-workers also give the best. Government employees are not all lazy scum suckers.

I can’t believe everyone on here. Is the guy even sworn in yet?

Lord help us! How are we going to pay for it all? Elections have consequences, we must all bear the brunt now. The Pied Piper is coming to town and bringing with him rats that will infest every corner of Americana (freedoms, capitalism, pursuit of happiness).

This has nothing to do with hate, Jay. Everyone knows that Obama will soon be president.
The concern is that his transition team is working to develop a plan while he’s on vacation and, while the team selected by Obama might be great friends of his, really good pols and generally well-educated people, they probably don’t have nearly the economic chops to dig America out of this mess.
And with the House of Representatives and the Senate indicating they intend to virtually abdicate their oversight responsibility role in order to speedily pass whatever plan the transition team comes up with, there’s a serious concern that money that belongs to OUR GRANDCHILDREN will be misspent – as the $700 billion bailout was misspent due to Congress’ incompetence, combined, perhaps, with political and monetary influences – and, more likely, ineffectively spent.
The concern is a legitimate one, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with being “a hater.”

If Obama seeks a massive increase in the size of the federal work force, his approval ratings will dive because he will lose the American Middle. The American people, by substantial majorities, detest more government spending.
They will feel betrayed by Obama in the same way they felt Clinton had misled them on health-care, and it will hand the 2010 (and probably 2012) election to the GOP.
I await Obama’s inauguration. We’ll see if, for the first time in his public life, he can succeed at anything besides elections. Given stories like this one, if true, there is reason to be skeptical that he can.

Wacker said: “We have to work towards trying to make America more like the Cuban model, where basic human needs like health care, care for the elderly, free education for all, proper holidays and less working hours.”
You’re joking, right?

no marci, he is not. the majority here are of the opinion we are doomed before the man even tries.
instead of ad hominem attacks, ebonics imitations, and political slurs perhaps it would be much more constructive if those same individuals formulated a plan that would get us out of the mess that we are in.
i’m waiting.

ah yes, how quickly comes the socialist coup by the cabal of leftists pulling the strings of the clueless neophyte freshman senator that they used as an empty suit/votegetter to fill the chair in the Oval Office.
First came the fall of heavily Soros influenced Lehman, second the push to create a major depression by scaring the economic sector with the Paulson/Benanke October Surprise bailout (the ‘emergency’ bank/lending collapse that the Dems had been nurturing for two years). Now is the time for the lefties to complete their power grab by pushing their long-term agenda of government control as the only solution to the problems they created. Their votes in perpetuity are assured.
God help the U.S., at least the U.S. as the founders envisioned it.

Great. 600,000 more federal pigs sucking on the taxpayer teat.

Well, let’s see 600,000 new government jobs…ah, also 600,000 likely new union enrollees; ah, I also envision an average starting salary of about $35,000, plus tax payer supported benefits, including retirement…well, hell, this looks like a union payback and about $21,000,000,000 in annual tax payer supported salaries. Now, of course, this does not include potentially billons in supplies. Well, hell, why not let the private sector hire perform these tasks and when the work is finished everyone goes home. Nay, that approach makes too much sense. The American tax payer is again on the hook and the parasitic Keynesian economic policy is again in play.

Olga,
I’m with you: it is about judgment. We already know W used poor judgment in telling us the mission was accomplished while undermining General Shinseki and our troops in Iraq by underestimating the force needed and sticking to it. We already know W exhibited poor judgment in allowing Powell to get thrown under a bus while allowing Cheney to push flimsy intel on WMDs as a central raison d’etre behind the war.
Bad judgments are sometimes made. I’m not so sure that choosing a highly successful, proven guy with a completely clean record to run Commerce is bad judgment, however, but the President-elect has proven (along with the nominee) that they’re not going to let even the appearance of potential wrong obstruct the effort.
Wouldn’t it have been great to have just one person in power do the same at so many important decision points over the last 8 years that resulted in complete failure to lead?

What is the plan for Obama and Congress use government money to create job incentives? It’s best to ensure that the dollars go to companies who employ a majority of Americans, rather than those companies who have continued to outsource jobs and their company revenues offshore. Many Fortune 500 companies laid off workers in the 4th quarter, despite having available work, simply to position for Obama’s new incentives. Let’s get the jobs to the US workers without rewarding the corporate behaviors that added to the financial distress on the economy.

marianne, there is no simple answer. This problem is far too complex to solve in a sound bite.
If there was, Congress would have come up with it during the last bailout.
And frankly, Obama’s transition team isn’t going to be able to come up with a plan solve it in a few weeks, either. particularly since they are not largely experienced in federal government and do not have established histories of successful management and/or turnaround efforts.
Some of the concerns are very legitimate. Building a road is very hard physical labor that causes workers to largely become transients, living away from their families in travel trailers and motels for extended periods of time. And seasonality concerns mean that they’ll go unemployment during those periods. By its very nature, many employees in the industry are transitory workers from other countries, here both legally and not, and the money does not stay in this country.
And 600,000 more presumably permanent federal jobs is a continuing monetary obligation of extreme proportion. And again, I must ask – will those jobs be dispersed throughout the country, or targeted to certain areas like Washington, D.C., California, Illinois, Texas, and Nevada?
Investment in alternative energy alternatives must likewise help a wide variety of geographic areas (which will be looking to an equally wide variety of alternative energy solutions) and not just solar and wind or those based in California.
If you’re looking for the simplest solution and an equitable one, it’s probably the sales tax holiday (with the federal government reimbursing the states and municipalities for the revenue they will lose) or a reduction in payroll taxes for both employers and employees. Either or both of these would have either an extremely low or no implementation cost, yet have an immediate, even-handed impact throughout the nation.
Add to that tax credits for alternative energy development, health insurance and medical costs, etc., and you could have a truly FEDERAL plan with wide-ranging impact.
Is this simple enough for you?

Oh great!
600,000 more gummint bureaucrats feeding at the trough.
Who’s going to pay for this?
Answer: Us middle class Americans now on the way to being wiped out.
Cheers,
b

Well, let’s see 600,000 new government jobs…ah, also 600,000 likely new union enrollees; ah, I also envision an average starting salary of about $35,000, plus tax payer supported benefits, including retirement…well, hell, this looks like a union payback and about $21,000,000,000 in annual tax payer supported salaries. Now, of course, this does not include potentially billons in supplies. Well, hell, why not let the private sector hire and perform these tasks and when the work is finished everyone goes home. Nay, that approach makes too much sense. The American tax payer is again on the hook and the parasitic Keynesian economic policy is again in play.

Lynn: it generally takes 2 corporate employees to do what 1 small business employee does as well, since we’re keeping score. I hope we all realize who really drives this economy.
If the government wants to be in the business of creating jobs, let’s hope it sets its sights strictly on new businesses and small businesses.

For you idiot drones that voted for Obama, your tax money is going into more bureaucracy and more wasteful spending.
This bill he is proposing (because he thinks he is Roosevelt, Kennedy, Lincoln, and Jesus rolled into one) is going to be a waste.
Who do you think is going to benefit from this? Illegal aliens and The unions! We know the fabulous work they’ve done with the UAW. Also, it’s cheaper for illegals to work than an American.
So Obama could cut the crap about “American jobs.”
Let’s have more debt!! More taxes and more corruption!! Goody!!

Appanage, I will have to disagree that W used poor judgment, unless you have access to classified information, unlike the rest of us. I am proud of his decisions in the last 8 years because we are all safe. I am forever grateful for our military fighting for our Freedom and proud of their strategic ability to keep us safe.

Maybe we should let all of those who got us in this mess bail us out instead of the Government. That would mean the CEO’s who trashed their companies and walked out with millions in severence pay, and the Congressmen that enabled the bank failures (such as Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd who tool sweetheart deals from Countrywide while allowing Freddie and Fannie to go bankrupt while touting how stable they were above GOP attempts to reform those two giants several years ago which lead to the housing bubble.)
As for Obama’s attempt to spend us out of this, that has failed everywhere it has been tried. Japan tried it and has had a decade long recession.
The best plan for the auto industry, would be allow them to declare backruptcy so that they can be released from their union contracts. Ditto the steel industry. The union packages of higher wages and compensation that no one else enjoys due to the cost, need to come to an end! That is part of what has made US good uncompetitive.

600K more on the federal payroll, on top of a $1 trillion (maybe one helluva lot more) “bailout”. And we taxpayers, that is, those of us who actually work, are supposed to pay for all this? Are these people insane? This is a clear case of taxation, without representation. Hmmm…where have I heard that phrase before?

I have a government job, I work for the US Army Corps of Engineers, before that I was in the USAF. I guess I’m one of these parasites though. I would like to see everyone of you hang with me on the river and risk your life, I will be waiting. I’m qualified and have worked in private doing several different types of work all for big money…most of you are barely capable of driving your suv much less three for four different jobs that pay extremely well, But hey I’m just a lazy government parasite right…see ya in out-draft conditions this spring..wink,wink:-)

Very interesting…when the Democrats provide tax incentives to business, they are “creating private sector jobs” but when the Republicans do the same, they are giving tax breaks to the wealthy.
If Obama’s plan works and incremental revenue more than offsets increased short term debt, then we will once again have confirmation that the private sector truly does know how best to spent its own money and lift the economy.
The big question would then be, what are we to make of the Republican Party? Obama is pulling some key moves right out of McCain’s campaign and Republican doctrine. Were both candidates selling the same product?? We certainly know who wins THAT contest.
Maybe the Reagan era is still alive and its torch is being carried by a most unexpected believer! After all, Obama did say the following on January 16, 2008: “I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America, in a way that Richard Nixon did not, and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn’t much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. . . . He just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was, ‘We want clarity, we want optimism.’”

Hey Marianne Thompson – you don’t get it. You, like most, fail to see the correct path – the efficiency path. The American tax payer is already burdened with high taxes and inefficiency and we do not need 600,000 retreads, including 15 layers of bureaucratic incompetence. FYI – I wouldn’t hire you!

marianne, I also own my own business. Within the last few years, I have also been at the top level of management of an enterprise with a $60 million annual budget. I also have two degrees in fields pertinent to turnarounds, have worked as a consultant and have lectured on the subject.
You say you know what will not work and that you “would not hire 90% of the people that have responded to this sight just based on their negativity … they do not get it.”
Anyone wanting to successfully put THIS plan into action shouldn’t hire them, marianne – but that doesn’t resolve the fact that most of the plan options floated so far are … stupid.
And for you and others to blindly support an ill-conceived plan isn’t going to help either the country or Obama.
Come up with a good plan, and people will “all pull together.”
But come up with a stupid plan and you’re naturally going to get legitimate resistance from intelligent people who can see how – and why – the plan, if not modified, is going to fail.

… And not one word out of him about the middle east, except, “We only have one president at a time.”
It seems Mr. Obama wants to be in command right now on things liberals claim moral authority on (economic “justice” and health care are classics), and has to stay totally silent about the political pandora’s box of Israel and Gaza (where liberals typically have no moral authority, as most have thrown Israel under the truck for decades).
The man already reeks of doublespeak. I wonder where that magical dollar amount will finally end up where he decides to start taxing “the rich”?

For all you thinking O’ is SMART, then why did he think there were 58 states and that Japan dropped an atomic bomb on Hawaii?
Why won’t he release any college data? Because he’s an idiot, a purge Marxist at that.
Keep on believing he has any brains. Miracles happen!

I love the big mouths on the left that call the right haters when all then have done for the last eight years was to degrade and insult our President, yes OUR President. When a person becomes President, they represent all of us not just their groupies. Every time Bush was insulted over seas, the American people were insulted, not just the left. The left is so psychotic even after they got their ONE elected they still bash Bush, look how they continue to insult Palin.
Well friends, you now reap the crap you sowed.
You’ve elected a cigarette smoking, cocaine narcissistic con artist, with a ‘yes we can’ mantra, with no one having any idea what that means.
We are in for change alright, pennies, nickels and dimes.

BlofeldBuildings is absolutely correct. But these solutions don’t serve the obama agenda. He has to pay back unions and this will be through creating government jobs.

600,000 thousand permanent government jobs. Never heard that in BO’s campaign.
It’s union payback time.
BO’s is going to trash the dollar. That a tax increase for 100% of all citizens.

Just what this country needs, 600,000 more unneeded beaurocratics stoking the AFGE leftist political machine. Our government will go tits up for the same reasons G.M. and Chrysler ultimatly will. This needs to stop right now.

Basketball, Hawaiian vacations, paparazzi pec shots, and a lack of self discipline to even quit smoking? Oh, and remember, he worships every Sunday at the gym.
600,000 new jobs that will require tax dollars to fund? Blago, Richardson, Rahm all even before he steps foot in the White House?
He lacks even the mentality of appearing presidential. First, the election is done; the time for populist rhetoric is over. Quit the idealist socialist Keysenian nonsense and get the job done for our economy. Once we’re all rolling in our newfound wealth, THEN tax us to death and fund every liberal pet project.
I already see in this guy a failed presidency, and that terrifies me.
While I didn’t vote for him, the country can’t afford to have him fail.
Hillary was right – the presidency isn’t a place for on-the-job training.

600,000 do no good loafers to feed off the public trough making more than those of us that actually sell and produce the goods that are needed to keep the USA productive and an economic powerhouse in the world. I have never met a government employee that was needed or wanted except by those on the public dole in the first place. UPS/FED EX prove the USPS is un-needed and not a necessity for the government to provide even though the US Constitution names “Postal Roads” as a needed government funding necessity.
Why do I pay taxes on my 20,000 job a year to give gov employees 150K a year to do nothing?????????????????

What a dufus he is…he is going to send this nation in a downwards spiral that will take 16 years to get out of once he is thrown out of office…good riddance you fool Obama…you have no right to call yourself President and can’t wait for history to tell the tale of the most failed Presidency of Obama who knew nothing, said nothing and did nothing but take taxpayers money and throw it out the window (with all of his cronies catching it in their hats and running for the bank that is)

Is anyone surprised? Socialists think that Government, and more of it, is the answer to our woes. Hang on everybody. The sucking sound you hear is coming from your wallet. This man is gonna destroy this country.

gpm says:
Anyone wanting to successfully put THIS plan into action shouldn’t hire them, marianne – but that doesn’t resolve the fact that most of the plan options floated so far are … stupid.
And for you and others to blindly support an ill-conceived plan isn’t going to help either the country or Obama.
GPM
why do you assume blindly?
i am not sure what will work globally right now are you? but there are many steps that i agree should be taken.
job creation, we need, somehow , to pump money back into the economy. can not do that if people can’t buy. people can’t buy if they have no money. can’t get money if they do not have jobs.
availability of credit, if the banks will not loan who will be able to purchase a car or a home?
energy independence-do you want to be held hostage to those who would do us harm?
what exactly do you fell is ‘stupid?’

In reference to the new 600,000 government jobs:
“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.”
Let’s see if any of y’all can tell us the author of the quote and where it is referenced.

I didn’t even need to read this article to see what is really being stated here. You are all ididots if you think this is good for America. 600,000 NEW GOVERNMENT JOBS MEANS TAX INCREASES TO COVER PAYROLL FOR 600,000 NEW GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES. How incredibly stupid, considering Americans are already having a tough time with their take-home pay from non-government employment. What if the whole country worked for the government – who would pay the salaries then???

Hey David, that quote would be from our own Declaration of Independence.

blofeld …
our country is in trouble and the people you praise, who must have crystal balls, have predicted failure and the man has not even been sworn in.
he is not the one that created this crisis/fiasco/chaos.

O will not lead.
Q will follow events.
O is oratorical.

Let Socialism ring! More Govt jobs – that is just what we need. Hopefully, the salaries will be competitive with the greedy corporations like GM, Microsoft, and Boeing.

When will the public wake up? Government does not create jobs, business does. Adding government workers means more taxes must be raised from the citizens and businesses to pay them. Raising taxes brings unemployment and business failures.

the income tax is unconstitutional. it says in the constitution that taxes have to be a set number across the board, not depending on how much money you make. AND there is NO Law that says that you HAVE to pay taxes…

I wonder how much revenue would be gained to pay for these new GOV jobs if illegal immigrants paid taxes…hmmmmmm

We already have more than 600k people on the government payroll, but don’t do squat… it’s called welfare!
So now he wants more than 600k people working for the government? doing what? Opening up another inefficiennt bureaucracy full of red tape and incompetence?
If the democrats have it their way, they’ll just bring the 600k people in from India anyway and we’ll be in the same mess.
For the bulk of the blame look no further than congress.. and we just elected the same bull ******** all over again PLUS some new ones! That added in to a socialist president and we have a recipe for disaster… maybe not while he is president, but definately a disaster that someone else is going to get blamed for. Probably some other idiot just like Bush.

The saliant real points are these:
1. government employees vote around what… 90% Democratic as do their families. The elections where how close recently?
2. A government stimulus program again is the creature of the “Federal Reserve” which will loan the People’s future work and sell the loans back to us after inflated the currency.. there is NO CONSTITUTIONAL government as long as a NYC/International banking cartel runs the finances of the USA!
3. The more people are made dependent upon the State, the more levers our Fabian Bilderberger Group Banking friends and whores have to pull.
4. The Depression very likely started like this… Wall Street Leftist… Bankers creating an emotional space for programs that zapped American will and Liberty and that are still with us.
5. Any idiot knows that the “infrastructure crisis” is complete bull and that the use of current events including the recent “October Surprise” of the market crash was and is a lie.
6. America has been conditioned for this moment for a generation… state schools and colleges mold minds that can not think and are dependent in their core mindset deeply apologetic about their country’s unique history and ignorant about he very word Liberty and dull as hell about basic economics.
7. There is now a real chance of Civil War 11 and if so it will be fought not over making humans farm animals… but over socialism/free speech/2nd Amendment.
8. Instead of tearing down the Fed, lowering taxes drastically on business and contracting government and if investment is made by government making that in technology… as was done after James E, Carter… we now have Cuban style socialists for real… in charge!
9. Israel makes its move between Presidents! Read “Supermob” to find the connection of mobsters and Israel and unions including the teachers union.
10. The Glorious Group “Single Mothers” vote for their surrogate fathers, brothers and husbands in effect when they vote Democratic. The Marxist tenant to tear down the family and to cut woman away from men is largely now successful and look at the results of feminizing our culture. This is not a problem with woman primarily but with the gutless generation… of men… WASPs really who gave up there core political beliefs and power for leisure time and some free sex here and there. Sex and drugs is always the result of Leftist government programs because adult maturity and activities are never really possible.
11. Say goodbye to America and the promise of individual Liberty and its primary gift: Human Creativity, meaning, America leading the world may soon be over unless we all do a U turn very soon.
12. Broke. THE USA! All of the above was right before our eyes.

I want to check air preesure of county cars for 75,000 a year.

That added in to a socialist president and we have a recipe for disaster…
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Wake-up America – we are entering a new and improved Socialist phase and our Great Leader will get us there:
“Socialism starts with nationalization of the main means of production – the plants, factories, agri-business farms and everything necessary to produce what society needs. The large monopoly corporations and banks come under public ownership, that is, under the collective ownership of the entire working class and people, who have the leading role in building socialism.”

300k to dig all the holes we need, the other 300k can fill them in.

I WANT one of thoes Federal Jobs, so I can be like my Uncle. He works in the Post Office, good pay, great benifits and works 25 hours per week and gets paid a full 40 hours!!

Challenge, can anyone prove this wrong?:–
1. Constitution Article II requires USA President to be “natural born citizen”.
2. BHO’s website admits his dad was Kenyan/British, not American, citizen when BHO was born.
3. BHO is therefore not a “natural born citizen” (irrespective of Hawaiian birth or whether he may be a 14th Amendment “citizen” of USA) — as confirmed in the Senate’s own McCain qualification resolution agreed to by BHO.
4. Supreme Court has already docketed two upcoming conferences, 1/9/09 and 1/16/09 — between dates Congress counts electoral votes (1/8/09) and Presidential inauguration (1/20/09) — to address Berg Case and fashion relief on BHO’s eligibility to be President.
5. Since no facts are in dispute, Supreme Court rules on Summary Judgment to enjoin BHO’s inauguration as President.
6. Therefore, BHO is not inaugurated as President.
7. Vice President Elect Biden is inaugurated Acting President under the 20th Amendment to serve until new President is determined — the procedure for which determination to be set out by Congress and/or the Supreme Court so long as in conformance with the Constitution.

Jobs, baby, Jobs. After going back to school to get a 2-year medical degree, only to be downsized right before christmas, bring on the public jobs. The private companies offer zero security, little if any benefits, and constant worry each day about being downsized. It’s pretty sick.

Roader, I don’t know what you are talking about, but I don’t think I can afford your $50/hr to start salary, sorry. And, I don’t think you build them by hand.

Obama supporters: Thanks for nothing.

Do we need 600,000 more mailmen?
Of course we do. Companies like Fedex and UPS are cutting into their market share by doing it better and faster. If we don’t hire thousands more to compete, the Post Office will be out of business. And that means a government bailout, which means a stimulus to employ another 600,000 people.

The last thing this country needs is more government employees. What a waste of taxpayer money!! My husband works in a government job after retiring from the private sector and my son worked in a government job during college, and is now in business for himself. While both say there are good government employees, they agree that the government is extremely inefficient; therefore encouraging inefficient workers.

i hope everyone realizes the gov’t has to pay for those 600K new jobs with taxes. aside from personal taxes paid by gov’t employees, the vast majority of the revenue for the united states’ treasury comes from the jobs created in the private sector. eventually, the american businesses needs to succeed or the revenues will fall, as they are dramatically now. there is no self-licking ice cream cone.
btw, 600K jobs is probably another $60B/year.

More government employees, sounds like socialism it me.

I don’t know why I bother posting on these sites. I know I will never change any of your minds in here. The conservatives look at public jobs like it is socialism and not a public service. The Democrats–always tarred and feathered with the label of liberal–try to show their side of the matter. But, pig-heads never will listen to anything but their own species oinking loudly.

600,000 more Democrat parasites leeching off those who work for a living.

That’s right. More unaccountable government bureaucrats and laws and red tape and restrictions is going to liberate everyone and fix all, problems. As they always have in the past.
Good luck with that. I agree with the poster above warning of the imminent arrival of Directive 10-289.
Brace yourselves.

Directive 10-289: Coming soon to a government near you:
Directive 10-289
“In the name of the general welfare,” read Wesley Mouch, “to protect the people’s security, to achieve full equality and total stability, it is decreed for the duration of the national emergency that–
“Point One. All workers, wage earners and employees of any kind whatsoever shall henceforth be attached to their jobs and shall not leave nor be dismissed nor change employment, under penalty of a term in jail. The penalty shall be determined by the Unification Board, such Board to be appointed by the Bureau of Economic Planning and National Resources. All persons reaching the age of twenty-one shall report to the Unification Board, which shall assign them to where, in its opinion, their services will best serve the interests of the nation.
“Point Two. All industrial, commercial, manufacturing and business establishments of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth remain in operation, and the owners of such establishments shall not quit nor leave nor retire, nor close, sell or transfer their business, under pentalty of the nationalization of their establishment and of any and all of their property.
“Point Three. All patents and copyrights, pertaining to any devices, inventions, formulas, processes and works of any nature whatsoever, shall be turned over to the nation as a patriotic emergency gift by means of Gift Certificates to be signed voluntarily by the owners of all such patents and copyrights. The Unification Board shall then license the use of such patents and copyrights to all applicants, equally and without discrimination, for the purpose of eliminating monopolistic practices, discarding obsolete products and making the best available to the whole nation. No trademarks, brand names or copyrighted titles shall be used. Every formerly patented product shall be known by a new name and sold by all manufacturers under the same name, such name to be selected by the Unification Board. All private trademarks and brand names are hereby abolished.
“Point Four. No new devices, inventions, products, or goods of any nature whatsoever, not now on the market, shall be produced, invented, manufacturerd or sold afer the date of this directive. The Office of Patents and Copyrights is hereby suspended.
“Point Five. Every establishment, concern, corporation or person engaged in production of any nature whatsoever shall henceforth produce the same amount of goods per year as it, they or he produced during the Basic Year, no more and no less. The year to be known as the Basic or Yardstick Year is to be the year ending on the date of this directive. Over or under production shall be fined, such fines to be determined by the Unification Barod.
“Point Six. Every person of any age, sex, class or income, shall henceforth spend the same amount of money on the purchase of goods per year as he or she spent during the Basic Year, no more and no less. Over or under purchasing shall be fined, such fines to be determined by the Unification Board.
“Point Seven. All wages, prices, salaries, dividends, profits, interest rates and forms of income of any nature whatsoever, shall be frozen at their present figures, as of the date of this directive.
“Point Eight. All cases arising from and rules not specifically provided for in this directive, shall be settled and determined by the Unification Board, whose decisionswill be final.”

He sounds as smooth as bill clinton with his teleprompter,where can I sign up for my spoon to dig these ditches?

our dictator from his hotel room in chicago…I can’t wait for my first horse and carriage ride

600,000 new Democrat votes guaranteed every election. Isn’t it wonderful? How about a law prohibiting Federal Employees from voting? It’s an obvious conflict of interest that prevents our democracy from functioning in the interest of the average citizen and slants the vote to the interest of government bureaucracy and dictatorship.

Can I hurl now?

I’m sure borrowing more money will solve our problems… good plan. Print and borrow money, I do it all the time when I get in over my head. I just bowrrow my way out of debt….

This is the end of American prosperity. Just what we need 600,000 new government jobs & next year they can go on strike! Obama’s going to make so many people dependent on a government pay check that he signs that he’ll be able to seize power permanently. Once his followers are all on welfare or employed by the government (same thing) they’ll vote the Democrats in forever.

More government workers? Oh great. More people getting paid with my taxes to do nothing at their own speed.

Less, not more, government intervention and spending is the way to grow the economy. The United States of America was born as a nation of entrepeneurs, and the way to secure our future is to remain such a nation. Who is going to pay for the 600,000 new jobs? Did not the failed experiment of communism remind us that made work is not productive?

and no one has commented on the 2,400,000 jobs in the private sector because?!?!?

Prepare to be Bernie Madoffed. The money doesnt exist. The whole system is a giant pyramid scheme. We all know that we cant all go withdraw all of our cash out of the bank at once. Do you really think the government can just print money. Do you really think you can escape the lessons of history. The biggest pyramid scheme the world has ever known. I would not want to be in BO’s shoes right now. BO better have ice water running through his veins. I hope he doesnt have a nervous breakdown. Do you understand these jobs will consist of HARD labor. Do you think building roads and bridges is easy. These are going to be “shovel ready” jobs. Has BO ever worked a day of hard physical labor in his life? This country of lazy fat slobs waiting for a the government to take care of everything will never be up for the task ahead. It’s called slavery!

“We badly need programs that stimulate employment and re-regulate out of control sectors (banking, environment protection, occupational safety and health etc.) ”
Give us an example of a government program that stimulates employment.

sounds like barry is pandering for another 600000 votes for the next election. i guess this is what america has come to since 1964 and the dumbing down state!

Mr. Pucket,
I respect your ideals, but learn from Jefferson’s teachings, “A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.” Giving a government with too much power can seem like a great thing until that power works against you.
If you depend solely on the government, don’t be surprise when they dictate all your allowed to do.

“How about the military?’
The military is not a government program.

Don’t wory, be happy. Bernie Madoff is replacing Guillermo Richardson as Secretary of Commerece.

OK, let me get this straight. We don’t need 600,000 new government jobs. (In fact we could probably do with fewer than we have now.)
But we are going to have them anyway?

So let me see. We borrowed too much, spent too much. Now we are going to borrow more and spend more and thats going to fix it! Great work Barry!

I’ve got a better idea, rather than employing 600.000 new gov’t employees, that will buy new cars, houses, etc, give this money to Madoff, Trump, Haliburton’s Cheney…then they’ll trickle some of it down & give the balance to Israel. Then we can watch them pound Gaza. Oh right. We already did that. Well, elect Jeb Bush & try it again, it’s bound to stimulate the economy, sooner or later. What’s more community health care workers or teachers going to do for the bloated American economy. Really.

They have NO business accume, no sense of reality. When Congress can not run their in house restaurants without coming to the point of bankrupt – their ability at running anything else is utterly ridiculous. Congress deals in deficits – in fact they seem to thrive on it. Obama, who has NEVER had any real business experience, coming out of a corrupt Chicago now thinks he can save the country and produce all sorts of things like Houdini – out of thin air! For this country’s sake I sure hope he is productive but the jury is going to be out for a while on this one. He has appointed Richardson who is under investigation for money dealings and now has withdrawn himself and Hillary who has had in the neighborhood of $400,000 in contributions from a developer who has gotten favorable legislation through her. Really great folks there Obama!!! With those credentials I know I would have trouble getting a job much less security clearance!!!

Government deserves credit for creating programs that stimulate employment. I have no idea what those government programs are but somebody here says we need these programs badly.
If anyone knows where to find these government programs that stimulate employment, please inform the forum. These programs are badly needed. Thanks for your attention. Please continue.

Johnny2,
‘K – now how ’bout some substance. As a member of the “Drudge” group (I guess) I have put forth a couple arguments, care to counter? Or are you just averse to people actually looking upon what your buddies are trying to do?

Oh, and as an editorial note, your first line should have been in “square brackets”

jschmidt,
Don’t worry too much, the fed union (AFSME) isn’t as powerful as the UAW

Thank you for scoping out Obama’s job plan. Wonderful article on your part.

Moaning about where all this money is going to come from to,of course its going to come from all our pockets. Where do you think all the money came from to promote our illegal excuse for wars on the innocent Iraqi people and supporting the Israeli SS invasion into Palestine’s Gaza strip. it reminds me of the German slaughter in Warsaw, maybe the Palestinian Gazan’s should paint Warsaw ghetto on there walls and roofs, and perhaps the Jews may take a glancing look before they slaughter more innocent victims. The death ratio is 100 to 1. Guess what you paid for thia and eagerly support this genocide, that’s why President Bush gave the wealthy a well deserved tax break for the mess they left this country in while all the poor scabyheads paid for the war. Here is the sad truth 600,000 more jobs will be created and nobody will be killed as a result of this intellegent move by President elect Obama, and we will all pay for this. When God hears this he may consider returning to America, we live in hope.
PS, I am not posting Cuba.
Regards
Wacker.

Wacker,
thanks for your imput, now please an hero

In the market place of ideas, Truth is for sale to the highest bidder. Poor Socrates! And, poor you and me!

Let’s see… $1 trillion stimulus divided by 3 million “new” jobs
equals $333,333 per “new” job created. What a bargain!

My friends, this is reparations by another name (gov’t jobs). The latest attempt at reparations was the forced-loan scheme through Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae. This failed. Obama, Clinton and the Dems backed that scheme totally. We are paying for it. Now we will pay for the next scheme. The grievance crowd is in power and there is no end to their grievances. No matter what happens, they have political cover; they will blame all failures on Bush. The 50% of Americans who actually pay taxes will pay for all of this, not Obama. He is the great re-distributor or OUR money. The nitwits who voted for Obama will someday realize he is not the Messiah they have made him out to be, but it will be too late.

The days of using Bush and Israel as scapegoats are over!

Wants to puke already! the only thing that embarasses me more than Al Franken possibly winning in Mn is that this bafoon is out next President. Highest repesct for the office…zero respect for the man.

marianne states: “all i am saying is — let’s work together. stop the straw man and ad hominem attacks ad brainstorm. this country is great when we all come together.”
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I haven’t criticized Obama, marianne, only the proposals his transition team has floated and only because they are inefficient, largely ineffectual, and any benefit they might result in (advances in alternative energy investments, for example) will take way too long.
Nonetheless, you feel compelled to defend him personally. You mention credit availability and then you state, “What could obama have done about that?”
Your inability to separate loyalty to the man and the utter nonsense that are the proposals being posited by his transition team is what causes you to misperceive any criticisms OF THOSE PROPOSALS as “straw man and ad hominem attacks.”
As I said before, if Obama and his transition would make sensible proposals, the country would “come together” behind them.
Unfortunately, to date all of the proposals offered to date are, as I said before, simplistic, naive, ineffectual and … stupid.
The $500/$1000 tax credit for Social Security and Medicare taxes is a perfect example.
Only wage earners who have to pay $500/$1000 in INCOME taxes will benefit from the reduction (and thus have their Social Security and Medicare taxes reduced).
So, while households earning up to $200,000 will get such a benefit, wage earners who do not have an INCOME tax liability (either because they don’t make enough money or because they have a lot of children or a lot of medical bills, etc.) but are still having Social Security and Medicare taxes withheld from their pay will see no reduction – and no benefit – at all.
And if that’s not bad enough, under this little gem of a proposal the money won’t even begin to flow into the economy until January, 2010 at the earliest (when the very first tax returns for 2009 can be filed).
Stupid, stupid, stupid.
Really, cutting the amount being WITHHELD should be a no-brainer, shouldn’t it?
It’s ridiculous for you to expect people to “come together” behind such stupidity.

Vote for me, [pause and suspended smile] . . . Al Franken!
Minnesota born and brewed with Yankee pride.

Re: Does anyone else get the feeling that the lemming are marching into the sea now?
Oh when the lemmings . . . Oh when the lemings . . . When the lemmings go marching home.

Barack new job creation should consist of a large number of lawyers to defend his pals

You all should have listened to Ron Paul.
The ONLY candidate that made any sense.
We will all have to live with this “change”.
It is going to be an interesting 4 years.
That is if we make it that far.

Obama was a Below Average US Senator with a No Show Job. Why would anyone expect more from him now?

Creating government jobs is not the same as providing jobs. We’ll soon be totally dependent on the government.
These jobs will be paid for by taxpayers and the money will funnel out of the private sector into the government.
The math looks like this
+ Government
- Private sector
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= Socialism

Mikes using fuzzy math

Hey, people, let’s not quickly pull down a salvageable ship to rock bottom by jumping to wild conclusions and emotional political diatribes at someone we have yet to swear in as President. The American people did not elect him to kill the American economy and I don’t think Obama would wanted that as his legacy.

Bobby what shall we think now?

‘I don’t think Obama would wanted that as his legacy. ‘
Carter didn’t either.

Come on People – what did you expect from Barrry Obama Super Socialist (BOSS).
His entire career has been rewarded by “transferring wealth” – Alinski disciple, “community organizer”, lawyer for Rezko, Educational “board” with Ayers, State Senator, US Senator with nearly $1B in earmarks.
The Presidency is simply his next step in “wealth transfer” – this will lead him to global ventures including the UN, Global Poverty Tax…
Capitalism is dead for four years.

Obama courted government “union” workers and they responded by voting for him. Now, its payback time – Obama will give them more jobs, money, benefits, teleworking… while private sector workers get stuck with the bill.

Kit Kat,
You are a breath of fresh air given all the Neocons on this board.
Of course we need more Govt Jobs – this is what has made America great.

THINK OF IT THIS WAY:
The private sector creates jobs and pays taxes …
The government sector eats up those taxes.
C’mon people … the private sector generates PROFIT. The government sector is OVERHEAD. (An expense item, if you will) … why is that so hard to understand?

It’s already too late. Any country that spends 64.4% of every dollar on welfare programs is a socialist country.
Good by Capitalism. Hello Socialism. See you soon Communism.

If you think job losses are bad now wait until he rolls out his global warming hoax program to cut carbon emissions.
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There you guys go again.
I have an Engineer friend who says that global warming is a hoax – he has many points including:
- solar activity correlates with temperature (sunspot chart)
- CO2 lags temperature changes (ice core data)
- Earth was warmer in the Roman and Medieval period
- CO2 affect is logarithmic – doubling the current rate will have a minor impact
- Man-made C02 is only .25% of all Greenhouse gases (5% is CO02 – 5% generated by man)
…
Although Gore’s movie does not answer the mail on these “facts”, we all know the alarmists have an agenda – besides, the science is already settled.
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Defeat the Marxist/socialist I agree with. Government creates jobs they meannothing and are often a waste of time and the dwindling Secure Lock box Clinton Gore talked about having. Keep ing money safe for the American people. Well, boys you lied. Most of us will eat dog food before the year ends if we can afford it. You remember that when you look out of the windows and closed doors of government.
Thanx “Mr Bill? that little tweeking of Banking Law in your first term has created a World of misery. The NY Times neednt wring their hands over poor Cambodian brothel worker and satart worrying about what’s gonna happenhere. Your hipocracy is asstounding and your guilt should send you to public penance, but that won’t happen. You don’t see the harm you have done.

The math isn’t adding up. Obama and the Democrats want to use up to $1 TRILLION more “stimulate” the economy…and yet now they’re talking a $310 billion tax cut package…all the while (at least for 16 months until our full, immediate, and unconditional surrender in Iraq – assuming that’s not another “change” and Obama stick to his campaign promise) funding 2 wars…and add 600,000 new government employees (all whose pay comes from the yearly budget)…and still somehow manage to CUT the deficit during his first (and hopefully only!) term in office!? You can’t even balance a budget when you’re proposing more spending on less income! This is like 1st grade math! There is no logic and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Congratulations Democrats / liberals…you pulled one over on the fat, lazy, ignorant Americans. I’m sure you’ll somehow find a way to blame all the problems you’re about to cause on the Republicans…

The problem with even the current flock of government bureaucrats (let alone adding more) is that these UNELECTED paperpushers have control over the day to day lives of American citizens. And if we don’t agree with what they do or how they do it – we can’t vote them out of office, we’re stuck with them! And if you think this is trivial, wait until one of these pencil pushing geeks is the one deciding whether or not you or your loved one is going to get a life-saving treatment or drug as part of the proposed “new and improved” National Healthcare program.
Hey, you elected him…
Good luck with all of that.

The problem is not how money is moved around inside the US. The problem is all the money draining out of the US day after day, month after month, year after year going back to Nixon. The US trade deficit is about $60B a month. Of that, over $40B is oil.
Economically, only 1 thing matters for the US. Get off the oil.
Security wise it’s the same thing. Terrorists get their money from oil states. Stop buying their oil and they will starve.

It all starts local! The government especially. Why do you think so many politicians have gone corrupt? It’s the fact that no one, especially the public, isn’t really paying attention to/caring about because they have their own issues to deal with. We trust them with their title and some of them believe them when they promise something. But you have to keep an eye on them- you have to communicate with them and make sure they remember who they are they for and whose interests they are supposed to represent. There’s barely any accountability in a lot of govt jobs and believe me, there’s a major reconstruction that has to take place in order to make it right. I think/hope that Obama, as a smart man unlike a certain soon to be ex president that I would rather not mention right now, will know that and will start there and work his way up. Fix the parts that are broken and add to the parts that need it. It’s gonna take a lot of man power for that kinda work and I hope he funds it to the fullest. I know it’s hard to get fired when you work for the govt, but that’s not why I work for the govt, I work to improve it for the people it’s supposed to work for. I had the option to join a union, but chose not too because I don’t believe it’s needed- I’m satisfied with the way I’m treated at work. I do my part, everyday and when I get that paycheck, I put it right back into the local economy and don’t try to live beyond my means. The government needs to change it’s policy on firing it’s employees who violate and make questionable ethical calls because I know that’s a problem too, but there’s so many issues involved, that have been built on and made more complex over time that, the governments gonna need a whole lot of help getting it back in order. I believe Obama can at least START this process and our future citizens, activists, and politicians can build on it. It wouldn’t disappoint me that he won’t be able to make all of his campaign promises come true, but I have the feeling that at least he’s gonna try. And since we all know how slow the govt moves when actually doing something, it’s gonna take time to do. Be patient but voice your concerns and be heard as well if you think something your govt. representative is questionable.

I have the plan that will put all Americans back to work.
Obama can start a new incarnation of the CCC. There could be one in every area.
They would split into four teams that would work 3 days a week each. Two teams to dig holes (with shovels of course, that way it won’t contribute to Glowball Warming) and another two teams to fill them in.
Every city or country should be able to locate suitable areas to do this. Some farmers might even allow their land to be used, in return for a tax deduction or something.
Think of the thousands of people that could be put to work, many for the first time!
The salaries would have to be such that a family could survive on it. But it would still probably work out to be less than what they’re talking about.
It may not accomplish anything, but on the other hand, it doesn’t hurt anything either. Which is more than you can say for most government programs.

20% of 3 million is 60,000, not 600,000.
God, what kind of idiot wrote this article?

For the person who thinks 20% of 3 million is only 60,000. Dude, you need to go back and study 6 grade math. Let me help you out. 20% of 10 is 2. 20% of 100 is 20. 20% of 100,000 is 20,000. HMMMMM, that means that 60,000 is 20% of 300,000. You see my friend 20% is 1/5. Enjoy

If you want the economy to improve then:
1) get US back on the gold standard – this puts brakes on inflation
2) get rid of the Federal Reserve System – since 1913, they’ve been the problem, not the solution to our economy
3) stop governing outside the limits of the Constitution – it creates government waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption -besides it’s illegal
4) stop worrying about “infrastructure” – it’s irrelevant on the Federal level – if New
Orleans, for example, needs levees around the city, let them build it. Why should taxpayers in Dallas be forced to pay for that.
5) stop foreign aid – the US pumps billions of dollars every year into other countries to perpetuate their corruption, poverty, arms purchases, etc.
6) get us out of the UN -see comment #5…if US wants to have relations with a country then have a treaty
7) get government out of the energy arena – collectively, these incompetent fools have no educational or practical experience in oil, gas, nuclear, or coal industries. They can’t manage the economy, or even a war, so why should they be allowed to screw up the one necessary area we all depend on…energy fuels our civilization
8) stop loans and bailouts to businesses – see comment #7 – if these companies are having problems then maybe that’s what is supposed to happen – it’s business right?
9) purge the military of senior officers who can’t follow their oath – swearing to uphold the Constitution means no involving their soldiers, sailors, airmen, or marines in needless foreign “adventures” and get them killed over whichever political parties’ “war de jour” is popular…Balkans = Democrats…Iraq = Republicans…they’re both bad and too many of our military just say “yes sir” without thinking.
10) simplify the tax code – it’s unweildy and hopeless – the reading level in the US is on the 7th grade level, so a 7th grader should be able to figure out the tax system. Following 1-9 will do a lot to cut government spending, reduce waste,
and increase productivity…if I’m working Jan-Jun to pay taxes then that’s a lot of MY money I’m can’t use to purchase a car, computer, food, a TV, ot whatever… …business, buying, trading, selling is what makes an economy
11) It’s time to start a discussion on doing votes of recall on these people. By the time the next election comes up, it’ll be too late. If they screw up in the Congressional Cafeteria that’s one thing, shoving our country down the memory hole is criminal.
What a convoluted mess…thanks to Clinton, Bush, Pelosi, Reid, Feinstein, Kennedy, Schumer, Obama, Gore, this idiot Franken (and he’s not even in yet), Boxer, Waters, Jefferson, etc.,etc.

We do not need any more government employees. They don’t have to pay Social Security. This is not HOPE! This is ambushing our hope and piling on. Obama has cobwebs on the brain and finally the media and socialists are seeing it. His “new” hope leadership has produced a combination of the Clinton and Carter teams being brought back as Washington insiders. I guess you might call this hope is you are an extreme Washington insider yourself. The President elect will not create jobs we need and we certainly do not need 1 more government employee. We need less government and we need it now!

Woohoo. More than half a million new taxpayer funded jobs! I’d bet most will be related to social services.
What kind of country we are leaving are kids may not be the issue. How about, are we leaving them a country at all?

“Creating a false strawman as a way of ignoring legitimate debate is not useful in finding a solution. Remember that many of Obama’s strongest supporters – from Warren Buffet to Larry Page – know a thing or two about earning billions in the private sector AND still support a “left” government.”
Richard, do you really thing either of these two pay taxes? They know how to work around the system and have the lawers and accounts to make sure they get money back from the fed.

600,000 more government employees means a bigger constituency for Democrats. That´s how we turned Virginia blue!
Market failure? We need more government.
Government failure? We need more government.
No jobs? We will buy them for you. With your money.
The result of all this? Face it, we will never see unemployment as low as 2003-2007 again. Ever.

Debt Kills – You are Not a Team Player! (And of course you are 100% Correct. Thank you for stating it so eloquently.

Great, 600,000 more ineffectual government workers giving us all grief whenever we are FORCED to use a government service. Hundred of thousands of more “workers” that cannot be fired no matter how poorly they perform the jobs.
This is a change from ‘political as usual?’

I don’t this talk about creating jobs. I do just fine on my welfare and don’t expcets me to do anymore. I just had my 5th baby and gots my checks where it needs to be.

Obama and the Democrats will totally destroy free enterprise in America. Be prepared for bigger government, less freedoms, higher taxes, class envy, class warfare, less free enterprise, less accountability, and more ‘victimization’. Obama and his so called ‘advisors’ need to take an economics 101 class to find out that less government intrusion is the best and fastest way out of a recession. LET THE FREE MARKET SYSTEM WORK!! Hold people and businesses accountable for their actions….NO BAILOUTS!! Bankrupcy = restructuring…it does not equal a total shut down of a business. Lord help us from Obama, Pelosi, and Reid!!

I am a small manufacturer with about 100 employees. If the government would give me a tax credit against every American worker I hired, i would probably hire more as long as the credit was enough. Keep the credit open for 5 years and watch the country recover. I will not be keeping my employees if they try to unionize. Throw me in jail if they want.
Obama is an idiot. In no other country has the development of infrastructure led to an economic recovery. How much money does a road or sewer pipe give back to the government? Infrastructure does not stimulate wealth creation. Morons take some economics classes. And if you are a liberal, then you are no economist.

To blackkid:
You repeated the manta that Obama said all thru his campaign….giving tax breaks to companies that move jobs overseas. Please forgive my ignorance, but can you give me some examples of this? Can you name 5 companies that were given tax breaks to move their companies overseas?

What a train wreck!!
All this would make a good drama story, if it wern’t all real.
We are all so screwed.

It is very apparent reading over this message board, that the majority understand exactly where this country is moving —> A massive depression.
It is very disturbing that so many Obama supporters are now backpedaling and claiming that everyone is expecting to much from Obama – Well, most are expecting him to make good on his promises, which he made so liberaly during his campaign.
Many will find out, he is just a big impotent fool, with no experience that would equip him or anyone on his team to make this happen. Increasing federal employees by this degree is only trying to create further allegiance to a failing backsliding government – What is required is real change. Out with the old and in with the new. Repubs and Dems are exactly the same – following the same marching orders (Look at the campaign contributors, they are the same for both parties.)

unreal
‘How much money does a road or sewer pipe give back to the government?
this comment by you, shows a complete lack of understanding of economics on even a basic level,

So what are they going to do flip the script on the A76 process? What about all the money that was saved by outsourcing government jobs to the civilian contractor sector? The government employee if a cost burden with its medical and retirement costs.
Also if you cut all those contractor jobs just to create Government replacement jobs what is the net gain… REALLY?
Obama’s plan is the BIG DIG on a national scale. The country will surly be bankrupt after his term thats when they drop the Socialist hammer…

U S of A – Yes I did read 1984 and I believe the blatant disregard for true journalism OR the control of the press during this past election, is indicative of the path we are on.
For example, why many of Obama’s questionable associates were ignored or dropped by the pressed.
US of A, I would venture to say that you are a government employee and vested in the continuation of this out of control orgie of money printing.

none
‘For example, why many of Obama’s questionable associates were ignored or dropped by the pressed.’
such as?….. and…. your wrong…
I do not work for the government

none
‘I believe the blatant disregard for true journalism OR the control of the press during this past election, is indicative of the path we are on..’
you mean ‘true’ journalists like Rush?.. who agree with your political views….

1ifbyland2ifbysea
‘having zero experiece runnning a business ‘..
you mean like all those ‘savvy’, ‘compassionate’, ‘adult’ republicans who were running things from 2000?

none
‘Blago, Wright, Rezko, Ayers…..’
if you truly believe there has been no press coverage or investigations into the men you mentioned, you are either foolish or not sincere in your postings…….
your statement reflects a bias and total lack of current events awareness

wow, jake knows how to do percentages

Hey we let Bush be president. The only thing he did was run every company he ever ran in the ground, and dodge the draft? Oh wait he was Gov of Texas because of his name.

Perhaps we might want to consider investing money in sucessful businesses rather than unsuccessful ones.
“Billions for buggywhips!” is not a receipe for future financial success. Nor is expanding the DMV and its incompetence by adding more government employees.

There are so many stupid posts on this board it truly shows how dumb most of the O nation is. The Government is the answer to all problems and wheres my check generation. You can’t spend your way out of this mess that government created in the 1st place. This has been coming for years and anyone who tried to stop it got steamrolled mostly by people like Pelosi, Reed, Frank, Waters etc. and now you think their going to fix everything with vote buying and more spending of money we do not have. Right!!!

US of A: “amazing isn’t it, how all of America’s problems are always caused by Dem’s & Lib’s..”
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US of A,
I did not say all problems were caused by libs – I did say the following problems, however, were caused by you libs:
a) Mortgage Mess – Libs pushed risky loans that were then bundled into deriviatives – both came to a crashing halt. Libs – Obama, Frank, Dodd… – received unprecedented cash from Wall Street and Fannie (get the picture?)
b) Libs “tax and spend” solutions have created a crushing debt that our children will have to pay. The total unfunded liability is about $58T. But hey, you want to add even more social spending programs.
Yes – Libs are ruining America.

My question is, who has ever had what they would describe as a satisfactory relationship with any government service provider? (Spouses not necessarily excepted.)
Seriously. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say “geez, the folks down at the Post Office sure made my day today”. And the Post Office should be good at customer service by now, considering they have actual competition and all. But they aren’t.
So why, oh why, does the promise of making government a bigger part of our lives appeal to some people? Even people who think they want a job in government. (Have you ever heard the phrase, “oh my gosh, he went totally FedEx on that poor lady”? No. And what word do we replace “FedEx” with in that phrase to make it work?)

US of A says:
“What is required is real change. Out with the old and in with the new. Repubs and Dems are exactly the same – following the same marching orders (Look at the campaign contributors, they are the same for both parties.)”
US of A YOU HAVE IT 100% CORRECT. Wake up America and get rid of the bozos that are playing you like a fiddle.

NEOCONS,
I am getting tired of your tripe:
- So what if Liberals added social programs which today consume about 75% of the budget and has a $58T total debt. Social programs are smart – social security may provide a negative return on investment, however it is “safe” – just ask Harry Reid. Yea, I know he has a sweetheart retirement package, but he deserves it.
- So what if Obama has a radical past with Rezko, Ayers, Daley, Dhorn, Hamas advisors on his staff, ACORN and so what if he never ran anything. He gives great speeches, has a great image and shares our liberal ideals.
Get over it.

Soylent Red says…
“US of A,
I did not say all problems were caused by libs – I did say the following problems, however, were caused by you libs:
a) Mortgage Mess – Libs pushed risky loans that were then bundled into deriviatives – both came to a crashing halt. Libs – Obama, Frank, Dodd… – received unprecedented cash from Wall Street and Fannie (get the picture?)
b) Libs “tax and spend” solutions have created a crushing debt that our children will have to pay. The total unfunded liability is about $58T. But hey, you want to add even more social spending programs.
Yes – Libs are ruining America.”
Now, just “saying it” doesn’t make it so.
1. It wasn’t Frank et al who made the mortgage mess. It was leveraging and packaging by unregulated investors. No more than 25% of bad mortgages are due to the lending program to which you refer.
2. Clinton left a budget surplus and starting paying on the deficit. Bush and the Republican Congress went spending crazy, rubberstamping every pork project that came along. THEY created the nations biggest deficit….
So how in the world you can pin those things on Democrats is beyond common sense and the FACTS!
Get your mantra right if that’s all you got.

1) Cut salaries of all Senators/Representatives by 60%
2) 7% flat tax……everyone pays, dissolve IRS, sell off buildings/real estate.
3) reduce size of Fed. Gvt by 50%, Government cannot continue to grow with an ERODING tax base.
4) quit giving Billion$ of aid to other countries, take care of USA FIRST.
5) Eliminate “ALL” pork barrel projects that WASTE Million$/Billion$ of taxpayers money
6)Pay off National Debt, NOT increase it
7) Our present Government is on the road to a Monumental “MELTDOWN”…….Total collapse ! ! !
Yes……It “CAN” happen.
8) time to FIRE all the Congress reps that have been in office TOO LONG….put TERM LIMITS on them
If I have to live within my “means” ……then so should the Federal Government ! ! ! !
9) No bailouts for anyone, You got yourself/company in the mess. Get smart & figure a way out.

Kevin: Thank you! At least someone seems to understand that Republicans nowadays are virtually indistinguishable from Democrats when it comes to spending.
Folks, our economy has to grow at a rate of over 10% EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT 75 YEARS just to pay for social security and Medicare. How often does it even grow at over 5%?
This fact, however, won’t stop Democrats for clamoring for more spending and Republicans screaming for more pointless wars. Why? Because, quite frankly, they are stupid and selfish. They don’t know the first thing about economics, and they’d rather put our children and grandchildren’s future up as collateral for their reckless spending today.
A lot of stuff put forward by Republicans and Democrats sounds good and noble to people, and that’s nice. But please remember what paves the road to hell. Our economic policy will be the ruin of this nation.

Only liberals think you can reduce debt by spending more. Sorry, can’t happen! Once no one has any money then they have all the power.

Kevin said, “2. Clinton left a budget surplus and starting paying on the deficit. Bush and the Republican Congress went spending crazy, rubberstamping every pork project that came along. THEY created the nations biggest deficit….”
This is a patent load of bovine excrement! There was NEVER a surplus! In fact a simple check of the budgets for the Clinton years shows that the surpluses were “projected” not actual! Get your mantra straight before you try to change histpry with more lib BS!

My fellow Americans: do you not see the government is winning? While we bicker amongst ourselves, “it’s the GOP’s fault, it’s the Dems fault!” we take our eyes off the real problem here: Washington D.C. politicians and it is OUR FAULT! The Hill is full of lifelong politicians whose only concern is getting reelected and happily waste money that doesn’t belong to them to do so These politicians have been out of the loop so long they have no clue what it’s like to actually live in the real world, find and hold a real job, put real food on the table, plan for retirement. To me politician is just another way of saying hustlers and thieves. Until we stop pointing fingers at each other, wise up and fire these politicians and replace them with Statesmen we will continue full throttle down this road to destruction.

How long before the U.S. defaults on its debt and the dollar becomes worthless? Projections?

Step-by-step plan to fix the economy and the Country.
1) Abolish the federal reserve, allow interest rates to be market determined. Simultaneously, drop the capital gains tax on gold, and allow gold to be considered legal tender. Let the market decide whether we should be holding paper or gold as currency.
2) Lower the corporate tax rate by at least 5%, we have the 2nd highest corporate tax rate amongst all developed countries
3) Stop subsidizing corn-based ethanol. Drop protectionism and start trading with Brazil who produces sugar-based ethanol which is cheaper and more efficient.
4) Start an energy project innovation campaign which brings together current thought leaders to award individuals/teams grants for energy related research and programs.
5) Legalize and tax all plants which grow from the ground which are currently schedule I drugs. An entire new industry will be built up around this.
6) Start immediately dismantling our own nuclear weapons and give countries economic incentives for doing so.
7)Withdraw troops and close bases in countries/situations that no longer qualify as national security interests
8)Institute some sort of flat tax rather than our current federal tax system
9) Allow young workers to opt out of social security
10) Statistically evaluate all New-Deal-esque programs to see if they are effective, cut the ones that don’t make the grade
11) Cut entire government departments (Dept of Education and Energy seem like good candidates to go first)
12) Adopt a national foreign policy of non-premption unless an immediate threat is evident and specific targets can be identified
12) Become a world-leader in giving to charity in terms of % of GDP
13) Phase down troop volume in Iraq and Afghanistan immediately
14) Start following the Constitution
15) Acknowledge the fact that the War on Iraq was a mistake, some sort of apology should be given for displacing and killing (total #) over a million people
16) America needs to lose its collective ego problem; if we are the best country, the stats should prove it, and based on literacy, freedom of the press, infant mortality, life expectancy, and other measures, we are not the best.
17) The government should give an income statement to each tax payer saying what percentage of each dollar paid went to, that would raise accountability really quick.
A couple of ideas to start with …

I spent a great deal of time in 2008 as a contract employee for a firm hired to work in government offices, including VA hospitals. Holy God! There is absolutely NO OVERSIGHT of federal employees now. It was shocking to hear staff say “I get paid . . .regardless” Meaning REGARDLESS if they did their work or not. And you know what? they’re right. They have more slackers and lazy workers than the unions do. God help us all if there are 600,000 more jobs like this added.

To Flabbergasted – You’d be amazed at the lack of oversight on contractors look at the war. All studies have shown government employees to be much more efficient than outside contractors.

libber: You brought up the mortgage mess that pushed us into the economic crisis. It was indeed a “Perfect Storm.” The crisis was due to a combination of factors, all publicly reported by 2006:
- Deregulation and short-sighted policymaking — Community Reinvestment Act (1977); repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act and replaced by the Gramm-Leach Act (1999)
- Increasing consumer “survival” debt due to (1) higher cost of living, (2) stagnant salaries, (3) higher cost of college (more debt for families), and (4) higher cost of medical expenses.
- Due to higher cost of living (noted above), people removed their equity out of their homes in the form of lines of credit.
- Deregulation of credit card companies in the early ’80s (retroactive rate hikes, Universal Default, abusive fees = billions in company profits) effectively ballooning consumer debt overnight. The indebted consumer rolled this debt into home debt — a short-term fix, but far costlier move.
- The introduction of adjustable rate loans for mortgages and HELOCs. When the rate adjusts, the monthly bill can rapidly rise, as much as 25%.
- Consumers being financially ILLITERATE
(on an epic scale), setting themselves up for scams, unsound contracts, more debt
- Subprime loans that should have never been issued and would have been denied if they had been properly vetted
- Securitization of risks, the reason why lenders didn’t vet
- Appraisal fraud (same sort of fraud that caused the S&L crisis)
- Speculation and house flipping
- Failure of Congress to offset impending crisis in 2006 — not sure how much they could have done to avert the full blunt of the crisis, but inaction is unforgivable.

Posted by: gb8898 | Jan 5, 2009 10:54:51 AM:
Your post was positively brilliant.
Just one thing: I don’t fault posters who praise free market capitalism. But I do pity how our parties have duped them. Your post helps them come around to the truth of the matter.
So, when are we going to start a new party — or is that futile as well? What’s the proper course of action for thinking people?

For Goodness sake, after reading a majority of this BLOG crap, no wonder our Country and Government is so screwed up. Everyone thinks they know everything, but is really just full of Crap! And to think, this is a sample of the pool we try to create our leaders from……

LouAnn: A new party would be great. Any third party getting national attention would be amazing. I’m pretty libertarian, but I’d love to see even a Green Party candidate make a legitimate run for national office because it would mean we’d be having a legitimate exchange of ideas.
But it’s next to impossible. The two main parties have crafted legislation in nearly every state making it incredibly hard for third party candidates to get on ballots or receive any coverage by the media (which is complicit in wanting to create a two-sided tug of war).
It just illustrates the way the two parties aren’t really looking out for what’s best for the country, they’re just in it for power. It’s funny (again, not “funny ha ha” but funny in an ironic way) how Democrats and Republicans can come together in the high-minded pursuit of limiting political debate.

Posted by: gb8898 | Jan 5, 2009 11:14:02 AM:
I agree with your point about the seemingly insurmountable barriers for third-party candidates.
I did hear a report the other day, how Google is tweaking plans to create a better “feedback loop,” from voter to politician. The idea is to knit the voter back into the process.
Sounded interesting on the surface, but I think the real answer is less government (a leaner, frugal govt). Something about politics is naturally corrupting. Something about having the power to raise taxes without accountability draws a certain person to that power.
I’m very familiar with Libertarians and Cato. You mentioned the Green Party, so I assume you have the environment on your radar — at least more than most people. What’s your take on Obama’s energy policy? His plan for “green jobs” (a worker stamping out SUVs is not green, whereas a worker stamping out hybrids is green)? Do you think Obama will roll out price targets so that traditional forms of energy will become expensive so that alternative forms (solar, wind, etc.) will become more attractive?
I just don’t know how we can grow our way out of a recession without consuming energy. Increased productivity, by nature, requires more energy consumption. And the alternative forms are not yet up to the task (I’ve read the private sector reports, which are hopeful, but long-long term on the matter; I’ve run the numbers to go off the grid with solar).

Oh, and speaking of all this “free market” stuff, I just read that the EPA is thinking of levying taxes AGAINST COWS as a way to regulate greenhouse gases.
A noble enough intention, yet again, but what will be the outcome?
Small dairy farms will not be able to afford this and will be driven out of business; large corporate farms who can afford it will be empowered. Control over the food supply will be consolidated into fewer and fewer hands.
And that’s just great, right?

DC takes in about 3 trillion in taxes, fees etc (let’s call that: the federal income)
Our debt is about 10 trillion, but the more important number is what that costs us in interest. The answer? 400 billion per year, or about 1.1 Billion dollars PER DAY.
So if it costs us 400B/yr to float 10T of debt, how much could we float with our entire income of 3T? A: about 75 Trillion dollars. Or just about what we will owe for Social Security and Medicare in the coming years. So the house of cards could really collapse any day.
Unless we make some changes to delay it:
we can refi our debt (which is what the housing crash was really about
also, about the debt; to pay it off would be suicide. There would be no money left, under our system, there is NO money without debt.
We have lived with debased currency longer than anyone in history, but I have been unable to find any instance in history of fiat money doing anything but collapsing.
Or we could print our own interest free money, like it says in that quaint old document the Constitution. A few Presidents tried this approach, none of them lived to see it though. Just one of those odd curiosities of history I suppose.

Just what we need, 600,000 more people sitting around on their rear ends collecting tax payer money. The private sector can always get twice as much done with half as many employees.

What did you expect? We elected “community organizer” as president – in translation that name indicates a revolutionary marxist

And how, pray tell, is the federal government going to pay for 600,000 new jobs (along with the benefits that come with a government job) when they are already over extended to the point of near-bankruptcy? The better plan would be to lift some restrictions and lessen the tax burden on businesses so that the private sector can provide 100 percent of the new jobs – not 80 Percent.

Awesome. I can’t wait to work for the government pushing paper and telling people how to live their lives. Who needs a career anymore? We need that money for government jobs!

Create more government jobs? At a time when the U.S. Border Patrol can’t even fill the openings it currently has? When the HB1 visa worker force is at an all-time high? When the growing sector of private, for-profit prisons are taking on more and more state and federal contracts and can’t fill positions fast enough? This is just a thought, but maybe more government jobs isn’t really the answer. Could be there’s another solution staring us in the face.

Yeah, more civil servants. That’s the way to save the Republic.
What can I say – buy gold.

Who is John Galt?

Everyone that voted for Obama is a fool. Germany had a Democratic Govt. too, before Hitler.
Right now, the US Govt. basically owns the banks, soon the auto industry, and later the steel industry – all in an effort to “stabalize” the economy. Think about it – that combined with stealing the Minnisota election by “re-counting” 10 times until Franken pulled ahead tells me that soon, the Senate and Obama will declare themselves our rulers and since they own your house now – you’ll be powerless to stand up to them. The “civilian” force he proposed is just more “stormtroopers”. You wiat and see….there’ll probably be another terrorist attack to get us to assign him even more power……

John Galt was a character in one of Ayn Rand’s plays. She was Russian and hated socialism–she was not a fascist as some claim. She was an objectivist and thought reason should guide man,oops-humankind, peoplekind or dumbkind whatever you want. Liberals hate her (if they read philosophy) and I imagine modern conservatives don’t like her either (if they read philosophy).

grannybunny – We are not a Democracy, we are a Democratic Republic, and for good reason. People like you, who are obviously oblivious and probably incapable of producing or inventing anything, shouldn’t be setting policy for the rest of us. I know your type by what you posted and I’m not impressed. You are the kind of person who probably calls AAA to change out a flat tire.

THINK OF IT THIS WAY:
The private sector creates jobs and pays taxes …
The government sector eats up those taxes.
C’mon people … the private sector generates PROFIT. The government sector is OVERHEAD. (An expense item, if you will) … why is that so hard to understand?

THINK OF IT THIS WAY:
The private sector creates jobs and pays taxes …
The government sector eats up those taxes.
C’mon people … the private sector generates PROFIT. The government sector is OVERHEAD. (An expense item, if you will) … why is that so hard to understand?

Patrick the Painter,
Just a little lesson in logic for you. The public and the private sector both have thier place. I’m happy to let the private sector make my IPOD, computer, and other gadgets for my fun and conveniance. When it comes to life and death issues and things that are for the common good of society (military, schools, caring for mentally ill and eldery people for example)thats better left up to an entity that is not purely profit driven. It’s basically the way every industrialzed country does it. A good example for this is here in Massachusetts where the job of plowing the roads during snowstorms was contracted out to private companies. Well, guess what happens when you get a company that can save $5,000 by not laying down as much salt as they should or not sending out as many trucks as they should? They cut corners to save money! That makes the roads more dangerous for everyone! Oh and last time I checked government employees paid taxes on thier income also. Plus, don’t they also spend thier disposable income, thereby benefiting the whole economy and the private sector?
I’m personally a happy member of the private sector workforce, but that doesn’t mean I’m so closeminded that I can’t see that both public and private have an important place in a society.

Hiring more government employees will be more disaster, out of the 600,000 only 20% will give an honest days work. There is not any oversight, supervisors are a joke, and the brown nosing contractors that will eventually be awarded these positions are only slightly better.
Obama said in his stump speeches he was going to cut out the waste, way to go Obama!!!!

“Gov jobs do help. None of those people are unemployed collecting unemployment insurance.”
WRONG (buzzer goes off). Been to the post office lately?
http://www.federaltimes.com/index.php?S=3798464

Why is Obama cutting taxes? he should be raising all taxes to improve the economy. The economy is faltering because taxes are too low, and people are worried that the government is underfunded. With higher taxes, people will have confidence that the government is properly funded and has their backs, and this will take risks to raise their income.

For the fifty bazillionth time, the government has NO MONEY. As such, it cannot CREATE anything.
Government re-directs money–that’s it. When it “creates” jobs in the public sector, it uses private sector money. That ELIMINATES private sector jobs because there is less money to spend by the private sector.
I’ll use the Broken Window Fallacy again to explain this better (use Google if you’ve never heard of this economic rule).
If some punk throws a rock at your window and breaks it, someone will undoubtedly point out that having to repair the window can also be viewed as a “good thing” in that the window repair guy will get some money. Then he’ll spend that money at the hardware store, and the hardware store will use that money to pay employees and buy more tools to sell. Pretty cool, huh?
The person who follows this line of thinking fails to realize you–the person with the broken window–would have also been spending money on something. Maybe on new tires, maybe as an investment, maybe on… charity! Whatever.
The same rule applies to government “creating” jobs. People continually cite FDR as some kind of hero, when all he did was exacerbate the problem by sucking money out of the private sector. His policies caused the Great Depression to drag on for years, and unemployment never went down until we entered WWII.
It would be nice and simple if government could solve all our problems, but reality is seldom nice and never simple.

It makes perfect sense. Your business is going under, so what do you do? You hire 600,000 new employees that you can’t afford to pay.
This why Democrat politicians rarely have any experience with running a profitable business.

Higher Taxes equals higher risks to earn more income. This is the future for our econmony and why Obama was elected President. The founding fathers had it right when they said the citizens were not inteligent enough to elect a president therefore they compromised with the Electoral college.
Frank here is a lesson on economics. If you rasie the taxes on those who inject money into the economy they will not have the money and therefore the economy weakens. All lessons show Gov’t should have minimal influence controlling the econmoy outside of the Federal Reserve and taxing as can be seen with Fannie Mae. If the Gov’t had stayed out of the business in creating home loans for those who could not afford a home we would not be were we are today.
If I have less to spend I will not be able to take the risk to earn more as I could be in a worse situation after the fact. As was seen with the mortgage crisis in mortgages that have gone upside down and inside out.
The only safe risk is work hard and stay proud doing what is right. That is were true success is.

Some of you people call this a good start? Are you crazy! just what we need, bigger government. Now 600,000 more useless people will be sponging off of us taxpayers to get health benefits and pay that is 1000 times better than what we have (the people who pay thier salaries). I dont like calling people stupid but I cannot think of a more suiting word. Way to go all you idiots who voted this nut into office. Now we can just sit back and watch the US be destroyed from within. Thanks all u DemocRATS!

mike: The irony in excessive government spending is that it most hurts… THE POOR.
When the government does what it’s doing right now, printing money out of thin air, it dilutes the value of the dollar. Money is like any other commodity–oil, corn, metals, etc.–in that the more of it there is, the less value gets placed upon it.
If the market were suddenly flooded with millions of additional Honus Wagner baseball cards, the value of the cards would go down. Each card would be worth less. When the government floods the system with money, it decreases the spending potential of each dollar. Every dollar can now buy less. This obviously hurts the poor and middle class the most.
But no one in power says a thing about it because they think it’s better to just keep living with the illusion that we can print, borrow, and spend our way into prosperity.

Government jobs? Don’t be so quick to take offense. These new employees will become tax payers and purchasers of goods and services. Thats a good thing.

//Government jobs? Don’t be so quick to take offense. These new employees will become tax payers and purchasers of goods and services. Thats a good thing.//
Who is paying the salaries and cushy benefits of the government employers? Since the government doesn’t operate on a surplus, they have to transfer from elsewhere (transfer is a nice way of putting it, realistically it’s coercion). This simply takes it from individuals hands and puts it into the governments hands (the almighty, omniscent government knows best, remember that)!
Central planning was destroyed in “A Road to Serfdom” – we are well down that road.
Although somewhat a tangent, a relevant quote from “Civil Disobedience”…
I HEARTILY ACCEPT the motto, — “That government is best which governs least”; and I should like to see it acted up to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally amounts to this, which also I believe, — “That government is best which governs not at all”; and when men are prepared for it, that will be the kind of government which they will have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes, inexpedient. The objections which have been brought against a standing army, and they are many and weighty, and deserve to prevail, may also at last be brought against a standing government. The standing army is only an arm of the standing government. The government itself, which is only the mode which the people have chosen to execute their will, is equally liable to be abused and perverted before the people can act through it.

HEY NO ONE IS TO CRITICIZE THE GREAT OBAMA! WHATEVER MY MESSIAH SAYS IS THE LAW!!!
I DON’T CARE IF HE PROMISED HIRER TAXES FOR THE RICH, UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, MORE PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS, WORLD PEACE
IF HE CHANGED HIS MIND AND DOESN’T DO ANY OF THOSE THINGS YOU JUST KEEP YOUR BIG MOUTHS SHUT, OTHERWISE SOME PEOPLE MAY REALIZE HE IS NOT REALLY GOD’S SAVIOR

One quick point. The Wright Bros invented the airplane – privately. At the same time the US Congress funded research and construction of an aerial vehicle that did little more than crash when it departed the banks of the Potomac – publicly.

I could even put it this way…
- My most recent “public” experience was a trip to the DMV. 3 hours, 5 separate DMV “technicians”, and $80 later I recieved a sticker for my license plate about the size of a postage stamp.
- My most recent “private experience? A trip to the local supermarket where I purchased what I wanted in quantities I preferred and within a timeline acceptable to my schedule.

600,000 community organizers organizing Americans. That’s 12,000 per state. Organizers coming soon to your community to help organize your political views. Didnt this stuff go away with the fall of East Germany and Soviet Union.
It is really sad. This country is becoming a welfare state (France of North America) as so many peope want their “free” government stuff – houses, jobs, health care, retirement, education and the big kahuna “the bailout” because they darn well deserve all that free stuff. Pretty soon we will have non-citizens demanding their “free” vacations, bonuses, cars, etc. and the US government is stupid enough to give it to them….for a while.

To Adunn:
Yeah, can you image 50% of Americans want to go to a place like the DMV when they are sick and need help…help and the government is an oxymoron but that is another story.
Take a number, stand in line, wait while the receptionist closes for her 15 minute smoke break and 1 hour lunch…all to be told to go home and die because we have to ration healthcare because we can only spend 11% (or whatever the % is in Canada ) on healthcare…

Create govt. jobs and give them to your worker ants to keep them happy, well paid and well covered until the next election rolls around and you need to get out the vote for your guys. Welfare jobs for the worker ants, it’s the way the Machine works.
Good-bye Chitown, hello DC!
OBAMA, the Savior!

How will 600,000 gov employees be paid?
Borrowed money, foreign leases on our bridges and roads? Will foreigners be able to bid on American infrastructure jobs?
What about NAFTA..is he still going to renegotiate trade deals?

Brilliant. The Republicans, who have been wrong on basically every issue, now want to dictate how the Democratic President recovers from their mess? Suddenly Republicans want to control spending again after supporting year after year of record high Bush budget deficits. Suddenly they care about whether the President consults with Congress? The same Republicans who supported endless war in Iraq which is costing tens of billions each month found their “fiscal conservatism”. What a joke.
Obama has even altered his plan to include major tax cuts for both individuals and businesses, yet the Republicans will not be happy. They’ll find the one area they don’t like (more government jobs) and only focus on that. Republicans won’t offer a single idea or solution of their own.

600,000 = census population for blacks within the United States as per wikipedia

That’s all we need is more gov’t.

I can’t believe how ignorant so many of these comments are.
The Myth:
Federal workers making a thousand times as much as private industry.
The Truth:
How about 30% less. I work in federal IT contracting and the rule of thumb is expect a 30% DROP in your pay as a trade-off for the job security.
The Myth:
Don’t work as hard.
The Truth:
I’ve worked in both and I have seen lazy people in both places and hard-working people in both places.
The Myth:
We spend huge amounts on foreign aid.
Surveys have shown that people think that we spend 20% of our budget on foreign aid.
The Truth:
Less than 1% of the national budget. What’s more in the survey, people thought FIVE PERCENT would be more appropriate. So, we are spending only 20% of what people think we should be spending.
The Myth:
What do we need more federal employees for?
The Truth:
Last year, China sent 199,000 food shipments to the US, of which less than 2 percent were sampled.
The F.D.A. employs only about 1,750 food inspectors. There are so few inspectors that most domestic plants get a visit from an F.D.A. inspector only once five to 10 years, Mr. Hubbard said. Unlike meat-processing plants overseen by the Agriculture Department, foreign food-production plants are not regularly monitored by the F.D.A.

Wait a minute… let me get this straight…. Obama wants $1 trillion to bailout the economy, wants to add 600,000 government jobs and give a $310 billion tax break to the middle and lower clases, right? Where is all this money coming from? If we are spending $1 tillion to stimulate the economy then why does the government need to give 600,000 jobs to people? If taxpayers are spending $1 tillion plus the $310 billion tax break plus the salaries of 600,000 new gov’t workers (which equals around $20 billion to $50,000 billion) should puts the total at around $1 trillion, 400 billion we (taxpayers) are in the hole for. Now, can someone please explain where we’re getting this money and how is this going to stimulate the economy?

Hit the nail on the head dianeremarx! All these “plans” are designed just to make folks feel better. Just to make them feel as though action is actually taking place on their part. Obama knows he doesn’t actually have to do anything until 2011 anyway…that’s when he starts running for re-election. He’s got sufficient lead in the Congress to allow 2010 to be a throw away election. All he has to do right now is surf shirtless in Hawaii so the reporters will oooh and aaah a lot.

Hmmm, 600,000 new jobs? I wonder if someone made an “underestimation” regarding the proposed possibilities reported on in the following link? This could be nothing more than hype (or paranoia?)– but I think we might want to keep our eyes wide open…”just in case.”

dianeremarx – you made some very astute comments. Let me add that the financial geniuses in congress along with the O man are not recognizing that the intrinsic value of your dollars are at this time is approximately $.03 per dollar. Maybe a smart feller like Arnie can extrapolate the impact of the mega bucks being discussed on the current value of our money supply.

Jesse Jackson shed tears for this! CNN told me so!

Yep, everything is coming together nicely. 600,000 government jobs times an average of $60,000 per year with benefits. That’s 600,000 x 60,000. My calculator cannot handle that number nor can my aching head. Think of the retirement benefits we’ll owe them all one day. That helps make a nice Democratic voting block in any case.
Pray with me all of you the unwashed and unclean:

Some of you get it. It really is pretty simple, government creates nothing, it can only tax (I like to think of it as legal robbery) and spend.
Those of you who don’t get this are morons who need to pull your heads out and get a real education, not one shoved down your throat by some professor who spent their life obtaining tenure.

The joke is on us though. Even traditionally liberal France thinks Obama is naive while here in America the media treat him as the second coming.

Now how much of the $1 Trillion will be creamed off as payment for being elected to the many hangers on .Clyde

Who does he think he is to create more government —- Bush with the Homeland Insecurity guys???? Hey, how about a ‘car czar’? After all, it rhymes and if it don’t fit we must acquit ‘cuz we’r too legit 2 quit (turn cap sideways for this)….
Here in the U.S. of Idiots, we need some real generic platitudes. ch-ch-ch-change=change no matter how bad…..a very sick and twisted way to think…
reminds me of john lennon – love is all you need, right?
ONE MORE THING — notice the ARMIES of people who supposedly hate government intrusion on personal ‘choice’ (RvW) — yet who will line up to support MASSIVE ENTITLEMENTS (which limit choice and freedom). Somehow THAT is ok.
But we know all that we need to know about Osama, I mean Obama. I mean when Katie Couric asked him ‘what songs are in your ipod ?’ I basically understood what is happening with the Manchurian Candidate. He was totally vetted; any further questions are racist, you know. You Know All That You Need To Know.
Love is all you need,
Schmoe

I am personally ashamed of the 52% of the voters that elected the upcoming president, but will not be left out on the party though. I am unemployed and apparently as long as one supports “government saves all mentality”, then I should at least be able to get a secure job in some government created department. Thanks for destroying capitalism liberals!

Here is my list of projects:
1. Planetary Defense System against Asteroids and Comets.
PROJECT ASTROSHIELD – space based defense system (space stations, platforms in the YEAR-LONG orbits of the planets NOT around each.)
space probes with cameras to watch for moving objects.
IMPACT MITIGATION – ground based defenses, shielded windows and other measures to lessen debris impact.
PROJECT SPECIES SURVIVAL
So that human, animal and plant species will not disappear no matter which
Extinction level event occurs we (animals, humans and plants) will have a
chance to come back.
Level 1 = total destruction of the planet
Level 2 = when the surface of a planet is destroyed but underground
Cities are safe. (and hopefully the surface will be livable again).
WE WILL PUT THESE IN EARTH ORBIT, ON THE MOON, EVERY SPACE STATION (MANNED), PLATFORM (UNMANNED) AND SPACE PROBE SO THAT AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE CAN START LIFE ON EARTH AGAIN OR THE SPACE PROBES WILL CRASH AND LIFE WILL START ON OTHER PLANETS.
2. Create the the “UNITED STATES OF THE AMERICAS” north, central, south.
so that in case of a disaster requiring migration (THINK “THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW”, AN ASTEROID / COMET STRIKE ((WITH ENOUGH TIME TO MOVE)) ) PEOPLE WILL BE COMFORTABLE IN THE NEW PLACE.
2A. In the movie THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW the U.S. moved to Mexico. Mexico and Central America needs more land.
I have 2 ideas using the same basics, build a wall from the ocean floor to AT LEAST 50 feet above sea level with locks running from point A TO B.
Pump out out the water. Make seawater drinkable. build a pipeline to Africa the American Southwest Central / South America. FILL IN THIS AREA WITH EARTH CREATED BY
VERMICULTURE (EARTHWORM EAT GARBAGE AND HUMAN / ANIMAL WASTE THEIR “WASTE” IS EARTH).
WE WOULD BE PUMPING AND FILLING AT THE SAME TIME. It will be a worldwide multi-decade / century effort.
The points are:
WALL 1. CANCUN, MEXICO AND MIAMI, FLORIDA USA.
WALL 2. Virginia Beach, Virgina USA TO NATAL, BRAZIL, SOUTH AMERICA
Artificial continent walls CONNECTING / SURROUNDING:
1. great pacific garbage patch.
2. Canada – U. S. (alphabetical) to end of Aleutian Island chain (ATTU ISLAND)
3. Federated States of Micronesia
4. Indonesia AND Philippines
5. Koryak RUSSIA to Singapore

G o o g l e:
“Continental Congress 2009″
The People are finally not taking it anymore!

It does not matter if we are will soon be the UNITED STATES OF IRAN.

Wow. 600,000 new goverernment jobs by obama. That is over 60 billion dollars of our taxpayers dollars for their salaries.
I just hope the ones losing their jobs today are the fools that voted for Obama

This to Oh puhleze….My husband is a federal worker, he is a postman. Because of the job cuts, my husband is doing the work of three people on one route, that was subsequently increased in volume. They eliminated postman only to increase the salaries of the pencil-pushing managers that do vertually no work. Ask any postman, and they will say the same. The hard working, blue collar worker is being worked harder, for less money only to line the pockets of the rich corrupt beauracrats and politicians in this country. Now, it is only going to get worse. We have just seen the first steps to a socialized government in the United States. We are screwed!

Great. All America needs is 600,000 new Federal Workers who don’t do crap. Think about it; what does the average taxpayer get from all those federal workers? What services (think quality here) do we get? I think Obama should follow what he said that private sector (especially Small Business) is the back bone. We should all be tired of the Government taking care of us when they cannot even manage themselves.

Small business tax cuts, why, so small business can hire more people at minimum wage with no benefits. Great idea. So small business owners can make loads of money while paying labor minimum wage, and getting tax breaks to do it. How about some good jobs that pay decent wages for work and have decent benefits.
Any of you commenting on federal employment ever been a federal employee? I am one. I work hard. I get paid almost exactly what I made in the private sector doing the same job. Benefits are actually less. If you think it is so great go apply and get a federal job. If not stop complaining.

WOW 600,000 new gov employees? I work at a family owned small business (wood shop) & am sick of the current number of gov employees. Every year a new gov agency stops by & fines (or steals, whichever) us for not being in compliance with some new regulation. I have literally been told by a local fire marshal “don’t worry, it will ONLY cost 40k to become compliant!” We have operated for thirty years but have only been non-compliant for the last year because of massive gov over-regulation! Sadly, I believe this attitude is too common throughout gov work & have witnessed idiotic wasting first hand with while serving in the military. I also believe that the only “change” the new president wants is the change in my pocket, my sofa, wherever…

Unfortunately as you may have since discovered..
No transparency and it will be mostly government jobs since the stimilus is not a stimulus but a ‘politicians ‘wanna’ have bill.
um…the only people to call others unpatriotic was demos calling repubs that for not paying more taxes or not supporting obamaa.