Ron Paul: Obama Hiding Big Govt. Ambitions

Ron who???

I hope Obama does well, but I dissagree with his big government approach. Government is always inefficient becuause they are tradtionally not worried about their bottom line. What Obama has proposed thus far will be a disaster and prolong the economic problems. At least Obama is open to all ideas and for this I applaud him. Ron Paul’s ideas need to be considered especially given the fact he predicted so much of what is happening including the insolvency of Fannie and Freddie all he way back in 2002. His advisor Peter Schiff was ridiculed several years ago while making many dire predictions for the economy.

Ron Paul is in an alternative reality, as far as I’m concerned. I’m sick of people who moan about unfair taxes and big government, and then turn around and look for or expect the benefits and services that those government programs provide. We expanded government under Bush; we just didn’t pay for it with actual dollars. We borrowed the money to expand government and have nothing to show for it. We haven’t invested in infrastructure in at least 40 years and it shows. What other developed country would have people driving over collapsing bridges?

It will be a very very long time before I listen to another Republican on any issue.

It’s too bad you people don’t take the time and effort to actually listen to what Ron Paul says about our economic and political problems. You just listen and think in sound bites and political buzzwords.
Paul does not support giving ‘carte blanche’ to the entrenched political and money elite of both parties that have spent our nation into bankruptcy, rather he opposes our arrogant imperial ambitions that have put our republic, our prosperity, and our civil liberties at risk.
Paul and Schiff speak the truth, but it is not a pleasant truth, so you refuse to hear it.
Good luck to us all.

Never was a free market. Government intervention by the Federal Reserve caused the massive bubble we are seeing break. You guys apparently didn’t listen closely enough to what Dr. Paul was saying. Ron Paul is the best choice for the poor because he is the only one that chooses policies that will reduce inflationary pressures on the dollar. Inflation hurts the poor, and you will see in the next 5 years or so that not listening to what Ron Paul has to say is not a good idea.

mary – Ron Paul merely believes that you need to be able to pay your bills. I know you think government should provide everything, but when other countries are lending us money for us to service ourselves, something has got to give. I myself am a fiscal conservative that believes in personal responsibility. Obama promotes welfare for everyone including the business folks that have made bad decisions.

Huh: “jhw539 -Obama has already acted by endorsing the massive bailouts that most of America is against. ”
So why didn’t Dr. Paul discuss that? Could it be because every respected economist agrees with Obama? While Mr Paul’s fundamental philosophy has never once been successfully implemented in a free (women or significant minorities not artificially repressed) first world nation? The libertarian philosophy Dr. Paul expounds is like communism: Sounds great, but a proven disaster every time it has ever been implemented.

jhw539 – Say what? All the economist including Bernanke and Paulson, et al said the economy was strong a month before it all came crashing down. So don’t believe everything you hear. The rest of your statement is so silly, I don’t even know what to respond with!

jhw539 – The USA pre-1913. You should watch IOUSA to get an idea of what’s going on. Dr. Paul espouses the principles that made us great. Now we are a bunch of obese, want it now, whiners. Cheers.

Huh: “jhw539 – The USA pre-1913.”
So before women had the right to vote, during a period where signing up to fight in a war was considered a cushy job for most, and in an era where the term “Robber Baron” was revived and made uniquely American.

Huh: I am looking for an example of Dr. Paul’s economical philosophy applied to a modern state. That is, one with a mobile and fully productive workforce and a majority middle class. I have never had one offered. The US a century ago was fundamentally different to economic situation compared to today. Dr Paul’s libertarian philosophy is radical and entirely untested.

jhw539 – Again I disagree. The founding fathers believed in the documents they crafted which were very libertarian. The US did fine for a long time. Back then people produced as much as they consumed for the most part. This goes along with the idea of personal and fiscal responsibility. All nations that overextend themselves falter. This happens especially when a country becomes more socialistic or militaristic. We now exhibit a militaristic profligacy that is extremely damaging reputation-wise and economically. We also are moving away from capitalism to a system where government promises to take care of us and bailout those that make mistakes. The not so obvious problem with this of course is inflation and lost purchasing power. I don’t consider the tenants of libertarianism radical at all. In fact I would say that the leftism that we are now seeing in political discourse is much more radical.

jhw539
Ron Paul is correct on many things. I hope Obama does well and makes the right choices. Obamarocks and Mark V are also seeing the light.

Huh: ” I don’t consider the tenants of libertarianism radical at all.”
You are proposing a system of (non)governance that is used by no modern first world nation, anywhere. That is the definition of radical.

jhw539 – Ya, and all systems have their problems. Our system used to be much more libertarian. Libertarian does not equal non-governance. I don’t know to what extreme you are taking the term. Ron Paul does not advocate a complete absence of government. In fact he says the government’s responsible for security, enforcement of laws, but not all of the things that government is involved in currently. Libertarians do not believe the government should be providing services that we can’t pay for or will never be able to pay for. Pretty radical, eh?

Funny how the real cause of the problem, the Federal Reserve Bank (aka Banking Cartel) are not mentioned in the banters here.
What we have is the continued finger pointing at the public policy makers put in power by the very Cartel members that just received billions, if not trillions of Notes to advance the taxation via inflation policies of the last 100 years.
After Jackson killed the last central bank, we had thirty plus years of growth in our country.
But I guess the na-sayers just never actually read any history books.
Peace out,
DanielC

Huh/Mark V/Ben Straub,
You might as well be talking into a stiff breeze. Unfortunately, people who don’t have a clue about who Dr. Paul is and what he stands for just want to hold court and call him a radical anarchist who believes in an “anything-goes” society will not be persuaded to think otherwise.
They will ignore the fact that he was against the Iraq War from the very beginning, seeing it as an unconstitutional overreach of America power in a situation where we were not directly threatened.
They will ignore the fact that he opposed the Patriot Act, the FISA Amendments Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the suspension of habeas corpus at Guantanamo Bay because he believed them to conflict with the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution. (You know, that document that BOTH parties want to pretend doesn’t exist.)
They will ignore the fact that he is AGAINST government largesse directed toward large corporations, calling them (correctly I might add) anti-competitive and an undue governmental interference in the free market.
They will ignore the fact that he is against the seizure of private property in the name of “eminent domain” to fatten the coffers of city budgets and private developers.
And, finally, they will ignore the fact that he believes that the federal government should be responsible for only those things enumated in the Constitution – no more, and no less. (Just imagine, if this were the case, there would be NO NEED for an income tax of any kind! Just imagine what this would save taxpayers, and how much more we could do with the money that would be available for us to save and invest.)
But, let them blather on and on blindly without a clue of the man and what he stands for. They are, after all, speaking off the media template, just like good little sheeple.

Steve – Good to hear common sense. People like jhw539 are not to be taken too seriously.

Where was Ron Paul when his own Party President and legislative Republicans were spending like a drunk sailor. He would have a bit more credibility if he had blabbed back then and every day of the drunken spending of his own party’s administration.

I’d love to respond to polysci student, omentum, and thinking but will demur and instead just say ditto ditto ditto to Steve, and to Huh…carry on!
To the ill informed check out campaign for liberty dot com or read the manifesto by Paul. Let us hear back from you once you open your minds and hear the truth.

Boy i’m trying my hardest to be polite, but the stupidity of the first several comments is breathtaking.
Let me see if I can get this right, Poly Sci Student: Obama, who thinks the bailouts are totally rad, has brought about a “beautiful surge of personal accountibility”?? Hahaha, so he’s going to tax my family and I who’ve invested responsibly with our own money which we EARN, so as to give literally trillions of it to investment banks, insurance agencies and people who bought houses they could not afford. That increases personal accountability?? Haha!
Also Mr. Poly Sci, I find your second comment deeply troubling. Why do I need bigger government and some demagogue politician to “rebuild” my community? It’s the responsibility of myself and my fellow FREE citizens to engage in voluntary effort to maintain our way of life and environment through our own voluntary associations.
Could it be that you are not personally interested in doing any of this work “rebuilding”? Could it be that you prefer the president to set up huge new bureaucracies to tax the productive citizenry and then provide mediocre service so as to mitigate the awful feeling you have about your layabout fellow citizens??
Sir, i mean no offense by any of this, but i am amazed at deeply Panglossian worldview of so many of my credulous peers.

Those that criticize Ron Paul have probably not been to his website and studied his platform. Conversely, I have been to Obama’s website and read his policies and those who believe in him will get exactly what they deserve.
H L Mencken once said: Democracy is the idea that the common man knows what he wants and deserves to get it good and hard.

sorry Steve!!!!! Got the posts mixed up. Mari you’re an idiot.

To Ben Straub
You have a big misunderstanding of Ron Paul. You are under the impression that Ron Paul feels that the republican party believes in small government and capitalism. This isn’t how he feels at all. He understands like all Austrian economists and true libertarians like Murray Rothbard that we have not had real capitalism in this country for 100 years. The problem we are now facing was caused by the federal reserve artificially lowering interest rates and the government getting involved in every aspect of our economy. Trust me we have plenty of laws and regulations on the books. That system doesn’t work because governments can’t run anything. Never in the history of man have they been able to. Only freedom leads to prosperity. The more control the government has over mans lives the worse the plight of man. History has shown this time and again.

jhw539
For a current example, we would look to Switzerland. For a historical example, we would look to Sweden before WWII.

“While Mr Paul’s fundamental philosophy has never once been successfully implemented in a free (women or significant minorities not artificially repressed) first world nation? The libertarian philosophy Dr. Paul expounds is like communism: Sounds great, but a proven disaster every time it has ever been implemented.”
I have a word for you to look up “CLUELESS” You are absolutely 180 degrees wrong.
Have you ever heard of a little country called.. I dunno.. the United States of America.

I USED to think Ron Paul was a “COOK” durng the Primaries…he was so different from the Dems & Gop…….then a few months ago I found out about the ONE GUY who Correctly predicted the collapse Peter Schiff (see you tube “Peter Schiff was Right”).
I was AMAZED the somebody was so RIGHT when 90% of the economist told him he was WRONG.
Then I was AMAZED by the fact Schiff was Ron Paul’s economic advisor…
Maybe Ron Paul is NOT A COOK…???
I check out his campaign for liberty dot com and ACTUALLY read about his philosophies & policies.
It changed me 180 DEGREES on Paul….
He wants to end our EMPRIRE building and return that money to the people and have a gov’t that has SOUND money principles that will not SELF CREATE BOOMS & BUST cycles
****The BOOMS and BUST were not created by business but BY the GOV’t by creating LOW interest rates which created TOO MUCH EASY MONEY thus giving private enterprise TOO MUCH MONEY and it was predictably squandered”
It would be like sending sending a light dinking bar patron (1 beer guy) (beer=easy credit) into a bar and the bartender (FED Reserve)telling the patron that the beer was almost free and everybody should be drinking atleast 10 beers or more……
Result…..
Patron (busniss & consumer) get drunk have fun and then crash….and puke…AIG, INDY MAC etc….
SOLTION: Do not allow the FED to provide FREE BEER ever again. Tie the money to GOLD and then you can’t give it away. This equals the patron (business & consumer) to do everything iin moderation and have a steady economy
JUST take the time to read about PAUL you may be surprised….

People are so quick to jump the gun and point at Ron Paul as a right-wing kook, but they forget he spends just as much time (if not more) criticizing Republicans as he does Democrats. Some of you would do well to read up on the man. You’d be surprised by how much you agree with him but don’t know it. He’s a Republican in the Thomas Jefferson sense of the word; he’s as far from a George W. Bush Republican as one can get.
The stuff Mr. Paul talks about is considered complete common sense in any other area of life except, apparently, when it comes to the almighty government.
The government is supposedly the exception to every economic rule, to every warning against concentration of power, to every instinctive feeling of self-preservation each of us possesses. In this alternative universe, the government can spend its way out of bankruptcy. In this alternative universe, people entrust their money and very existence to faceless bureaucrats who live thousands of miles away.
Would we actually consider this rational in our daily lives? Would we try to get out of debt by borrowing and spending? Would we entrust our money and well-being to a guy three blocks over so he can determine what kind of healthcare we should have, what kind of medicine we should ingest? Would we let him accost and spy on everyone in our neighborhood in the name of “safety and security?”
People hate Ron Paul and people like him because they want to be taken care of. And there is nothing wrong with that. Everyone wants life to be safe and simple. But the problem is, government can NEVER do a better job of taking care of you than you can do yourself.
And this is the heart of Mr. Paul’s message: independence. Freedom to make your way in life so long as you don’t infringe upon the rights of others. I fail to see how such an idea is out there, yet many people view it as such. And the way these folks casually dismiss liberty as a fringe concept is sad and, frankly, alarming.
These are not the thoughts of a people wishing to remain free.

Hello fellow Ron Paul patriots! I clicked over from the C4L site and read all the way down to the bottom and then realized… where did all the Obama supporters go? Hmm… Here is a great site to check out.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Wait, where did the Obama love-fest go? I guess charisma only carries so far.

Hate it when I fumble my words…
The STRONG majority of the political establishment party supporters(backed by the media) only know what they here on tv and can only spew soundbites with no real substance behind it.

I was like many Obama supporters before Ron Paul, that is, having a vague and unsupported idea that there were problems, but I only had the Media to educate me at the time. Once I had some friends tell me they supported Ron Paul, I started doing some research of my own, at first I was shocked, and later, when I continued doing more research, I began to see the truth and cut through all the Bull****. If you do the research, looking into his active defense of the constitution and criticism of those against the constitution (CHECK OUT HIS SPEECHES AND VOTING RECORD ON CONGRESS WEBSITE), and read his books and those he suggests, it is near impossible not to see the light and truth behind it all, and realize the horrible policies and actions our government takes. The only way I can imagine not being able to understand, is if it is so dangerous as to inflict upon you the life threatening feeling of your way of life, your orientations, and your current knowledge being lies, that you will repress the truth in order to avoid the anxieties that naturally follow from this process. It is quite unpleasant at first, but it is necessary in order to attain happiness and grow as an individual “In the name of Life.”
“At least two requirements are involved in the formation of a genuine conviction: adequate information and the knowledge that one’s decision has an effect. Opinions formed by the powerless onlooker do not express his or her conviction, but are a game, analogous to expressing a preference for one brand of cigarette over another. For these reasons the opinions expressed in polls and in elections constitute the worst, rather than the best, level of human judgment…Without information, deliberation, and the power to make one’s decision effective, democratically expressed opinion is hardly more than the applause at a sports event. ” – Erich Fromm
“All this does not mean that advertising and political propaganda overtly stress the individual’s insignificance. Quite the contrary; they flatter the individual by making him appear important, and by pretending that they appeal to his critical judgment, to his sense of discrimination. But these pretenses are essentially a method to dull the individual’s suspicions and to help him fool himself as to the individual character of his decision.” – Erich Fromm
“Ask an average newspaper reader what he thinks about a certain political question. He will give you as “his” opinion a more or less exact account of what he has read, and yet–and this is the essential point–he believes that what he is saying is the result of his own thinking.” – Erich Fromm

Obama Zombies don’t understand anything Ron Paul says. They want just want to hear someone promise “change” and make believe that Obama can fix everything.
Ron was warning everyone about WAR about and the ECONOMY LONG BEFORE OBAMA!!!

Ron Paul trying to destroy personal accountability? How ridiculous of an idea! It’s OBAMA who’s trying to do that by promising that the government will do everything for everybody, magically enough, at no cost to ANYBODY!
“Get on board”? What a scary notion: Don’t think; let The Leader tell us what to do; obey without question.
It’s a crime that people like this have the same 1 vote as responsible Americans.

Amazing at the brainless comments on this article.
Ron Paul does not represent the Republican big-governmenters.
Ron Paul does not represent “W” in any way.
Ron Paul represents FREEDOM of owning your own life, liberty, and property.
Did the idiots who posted these posts ever read one article about RP? Watch him speak? Take out the ear buds and turn off “American Idol”? Attend anything but a gov’t indoctrination camp/public school?
No wonder America’s down the tubes. Sheeple can’t think for themselves and are too lazy and brainless to think even if they could.

Whoever said that we tried smaller government under Bush is extremely mistaken. Bush grew it faster in terms of size, scope and power than any president prior.
Whoever said that Paul wants to only shrink government for the poor is also mistaken. On numerous occasions, he has made it clear that he wants go after government for the rich first, including the military industrial complex, the bailouts, the corporate-government partnerships, big business subsidies, the overseas empire as well as a variety of other things.
He proposes that if things like Medicare and Social Security were to be removed, it should be done at a gentle pace, if at all.
“Perhaps if Ron Paul didn’t scream the same rally call that got us deregulated into the poor house Obama would actually take the aging “Jughead” seriously.”
Utter and complete nonsense. There are more laws on the books than ever before. But me saying this presumes that you even know what deregulation is, which I have my doubts about.

What kind of persona can claim deregulation and free markets put us in our current financial situation? Oh that’s right, someone who doesn’t know what those ideas actually stand for. What nonsensical drivel.

I think it is important to communicate Ron Paul’s ideas without resorting to name-calling.
Concerning whether a “modern” state can be libertarian: it was under a more limited government and the gold standard that the world invented railroads, the automobile, electricity, radio, television, airplanes, refrigeration…
What makes liberty and freedom incompatible with our modern world?

To everyone stumped by jhw530 when he says that a libertarian society has never been tried before and insists that it is like Communism in this respect.
He is right in that we have always been ruled by governments. He is wrong that free markets do not work.
Think of a market regulated and controlled by the government. In other words, a socialized markets. The more government intervention, the worse the market. The shining example is health care. In this socialized market, health care quality goes down every year while cost goes up.
Now think of a purely unregulated market, one unblemished by government. The best example is computer technology. The government has not (yet) begun taxing nor regulating the internet nor the computer. The result: astounding progress. Quality improves by leaps and bounds every month. This technology once was cost-prohibitive but now is so cheap that almost everyone owns one. The poorest in society can even gain access to a computer at an internet cafe.
Free markets (aka freedom, aka liberty, aka the libertarian philosophy) exist all around us. In the words of Lew Rockwell, “The government keeps trying to pave the world, but private enterprise keeps growing up through the cracks.”

Where’d all the Obama supporters go?>>
They went to the ministry of love to learn more about big brother.

Ron Paul was right about the economy and right about Obama’s address and intentions. Is the writing not on the wall for all you Obamite believers? He campaigned on ending the war – now he wants to send over 30,000 more troops and won’t think of a withdrawal for years to come. He campaigned on change but where is the change when he appointed the same old policy makers from the prior regimes? He talks about doing service but plans on implementing conscripted youth service that sounds very similar to the brown-shirts. He is all for a new national bank, as if we need another bank that knows how to handle our money better than we do. Take a closer look at what he does compared to what he promised in order to gain your support. You will be very disappointed in the next 4 years.

What astounds me most about the comments here are the intellectual titans who know so much about economics and government regulation as to disagree with Dr. Paul by asserting that what happened with the sub-prime mortage lending was “deregulation”, when the fact is that GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS compelled banks to loan to people who were not credit worthy (with an alleged guarantee by the government if the loans went belly up). To call that “deregulation” shows just how totally ignorant people truly are of basic economics and government meddling in markets. No one in their right mind who was concerned about seeing a return on their in vestment would loan money to someone who couldn’t pay it back unless there was a gun to their head. That gun was called U.S. GOVERNMENT REGULATION.

Those accusing Dr. Paul of being for bailouts, subsidies, or government advantages for the Rich have obviously never listened to anything he has ever said. What was that old saying about “staying silent and being thought a fool, or opening your mouth and removing all doubt”?
Those accusing Dr. Paul of an excess of love for the rich obviously don’t know Dr. Paul’s past, or, for that matter, how the Bear Sterns, et. al got that way — government rent seeking. As long as you hug the State and adore its power to reward, don’t be surprised by the results.

Ron Paul was right about the economy and right about Obama’s address and intentions. Is the writing not on the wall for all you Obamite believers? He campaigned on ending the war – now he wants to send over 30,000 more troops and won’t think of a withdrawal for years to come. He campaigned on change but where is the change when he appointed the same old policy makers from the prior regimes? He talks about doing service but plans on implementing conscripted youth service that sounds very similar to the brown-shirts. He is all for a new national bank, as if we need another bank that knows how to handle our money better than we do. Take a closer look at what he does compared to what he promised in order to gain your support. You will be very disappointed in the next 4 years.

Abe Lincoln would not have voted for Obama. Dr. Paul is right, as usual. Example? Obama’s solution to the economic turmoil is what? Print Money (ie, more government) which hurts the middle class and poor by devaluing the purchasing power of their money. Inflation is never good.

mary: Indeed, what other developed country would have people driving over collapsing bridges? Let’s see… Portugal, maybe?
Perhaps England?
Maybe Germany,
New Zealand,
India,
Canada,
China, or Australia?
That silly question aside, do you realize that the entire last 75 years of government expansion was not paid for in “actual dollars”, but with borrowed “money”?
Also, I’m curious, since you are “sick of people who moan about unfair taxes and big government, and then turn around and lookf or or expect the benefits and services that those government programs provide” (who exactly are you referring to, by the way?), how do you feel about those of us who speak against the evils of government, taxes, theft, slavery, and the like, and wanting nothing to do with any “benefits” or “services” from government programs? Perhaps with some education you will join us. I wish the best to you.
dl: Yes, Ron Paul’s ideas can indeed surmount of the problems of the last 40 years, in which there was no free market in sight. And yes, we would be “far far far behind” in terms of slavery, were our government to shrink.
And to all those comparing Ron Paul to the Republican establishment: your comments are simply absurd. Review the political events of the last year and a half and you will see how they think of him, and he of they.

Here’s CHANGE you can believe in!
Obama advisor Robert Reich recommends that white males should be excluded from receiving benefits via Obama’s stimulus package:
“I am concerned, as I’m sure many of you are, that these jobs not simply go to high-skilled people who are already professionals or to white male construction workers. … I have nothing against white male construction workers. I’m just saying that there are a lot of other people who have needs as well. … Criteria can be set so that the money does go to others, the long term unemployed minorities, women, people who are not necessarily construction workers or high-skilled professionals.”
Talk about AUDACITY….

Dr. Paul is absolutely right. To all the people who believe the economy is “deregulated” I guess 78,000 pages of economic regulations enforced by 100 federal agencies is free market capitalism; it’s time to be realistic.
The free market begin to disappear in this country in 1890 with the passage of the Sherman AntiTrust Act and was crushed after 1913 with the creation of the Fed/IRS.
This entire depression that’s unfolding is due to suppressing the money rate of interest below the natural rate by inflating and expanding bank credit. Now guess who “sets” the price of capital (interest rates); the Fed, the government. Guess who is responsible for destroying 95% of the dollar’s purchasing power since 1913 – the Fed, the government. Guess who steals over 1/3 of your income each year – the government (not counting currency depreciation, regulatory costs, and higher prices due to tariffs and government backed cartelization).
Every crisis has been preceded by a boom induced by an increase in the quantity of money and credit which the government manipulates because people like you are too ignorant to understand the effects of inflation. It’s easy for the government to destroy the savings and wealth of people by inflating as a recourse to get around raising taxes when you clowns think as time goes on prices are supposed to rise and every so often every intelligent entrepreneur makes terrible decisions and the economy tanks just because it happens; of course it’s not due to the market being distorted in such a way as to blur the discernment of what is profitable and what is not.
If the fascist economic policies of Bush/Obama worked Zimbabwe would be the wealthiest nation on earth. I hate to forewarn you but wealth comes from productivity; not a printing press. Paying people to pave roads and screw in energy efficient light bulbs is not going to restore an equilibrium production-consumption ratio and permit real growth to occur.

QUOTE: Where was Ron Paul when his own Party President and legislative Republicans were spending like a drunk sailor. He would have a bit more credibility if he had blabbed back then and every day of the drunken spending of his own party’s administration. –Mari
Mari, if you would do a little research first, you would know that Ron Paul has consistently for 20 years been fighting government spending, most especially within his own party. His voting record is impeccable. Review the Congressional Record for the last two decades and anytime you see a vote of the the entire House “Yes” vs. 1 “No,” the “No” vote was always Ron Paul. So, please, know what you are talking about before you make snide comments.

Boo you Ron Paul. I love Obama, I want to have his baby. Don’t talk about him like that. He will save us all, he promised us change.

Sorry guys/gals, I had to have a little fun. I have to admit it was getting a little boring with all of us Libertarians in here. obamas supporters are a no show when they have no answers.

Maybe they’re busy reading Hazlit :)

Dr. Ron Paul has intelligence, integrity, and the rare ability – especially in politics – to speak plainly and honestly.
The current hero-worship of Obama could only be founded in the belief that government can create prosperity. Study history. It can’t.

How to say this without being offensive? …but… The howling abyss of ignorance demonstrated by many of these comments is terrifying.
Yes, OK, Obama is a nice man, nice family, seems to mean well, but he is a
green politician who will be walked all over (by the Military/Industrial complex and AIPAC) as an Age of Government Control and Destruction of our lives like nothing we have ever seen is ushered in. And over half the people on this blog will cheer it on. ((shudder)).
To understand the housing debacle, (if you don’t already) which started in the
early 90s, look up the Edward Pinto
interview on MarketNeutral. 15 minute
reading time.
To understand that we are not now,
nor have we been for many decades
a “free market economy”, read “The
Revolution: A Manifesto”. Maybe
an hour to read?
To read what REAL antiwar sentiment and
human values are, read “A Foreign
Policy of Freedom”. Another hour or
two.
These are short books, and clearly about half the kind folks on this
blog really need the information. Spend some time in your life to continue the noble process of self-enlightment. Please. It’s not about “agreeing”, it’s about “being aware.”
As for the rest of us — stock up
on basic needs and primary assets, and brace for impact. It’s going to be a doozy.
Good luck to one and all.

Take the early support from David Rockefeller, George Soros and Zbigniew Brzezinski away from BHO and he’d still be an unknown ‘Community Organizer’ in Chi-town. No real accomplishments other than (right said support) getting elected and giving a damn fine speech now and again.

Ron Paul does not require “ALL’ to agree with him or “get on board”. Ron Paul advocates personal liberty of all to pursue our own plans/desires, the return to real money in return for our labor and a drastic reduction in tax slavery. Ron Paul understands it is not “jobs” we need but economy liberty and opportunity. Those pea brains who won’t listen to him because he is a Republican (that is the only way he can get media exposure) reveal their own pathetic lack of discernment/bankrupt leftist ideology.

People need to stand on the opposite side of the government in order to see it clearly and offer criticisms when needed. Obama basically urged people to stand alongside the government so no one can see the mistakes they are making.

Liberal Logic:
Obama is good.
Bush is bad.
Ron Paul criticizes Obama.
George Bush is a republican.
Ron Paul is a republican.
Therefore:
Ron Paul = Bush
despite the fact Ron Paul agreed with basically zero of bush’s policies, criticizing obama and being a republican is enough to make liberals say “He’s crazy” and push aside anything rational he has to say.
I mean, after all.. we’ve never had a libertarian society!
except:
Celtic Ireland, the Icelandic Commonwealth, Albemarle, Rhode Island in the 1600′s, the Quakers in Pennsylvania, the American “Wild” West (which had a lower crime rate than the “civilized” east)
But no, there are no examples of quasi-libertarian societies in history! But wait I forgot, those were the dark ages! Doesn’t count! (Don’t ask them to cite an example of a state-run economy that has prospered, that would just be rude)

“Individuals voluntarily create governments and consent to subject themselves to said lawful government so that the government may protect their life, liberty and property.”
That is the propaganda we have been breast fed since childhood. The US Constitution was a coup d’tat performed by the richest, most politically powerful men in the country in order to create a strong central authority that could tax, issue debt in the name of said tax payers and create a standing army to intimidate said taxpayers (Whiskey Rebellion, etc.). The common man had no say and was only considered to imply consent because he didn’t move away from his home and family. What about all the people born here since then, do you still consider that consent? Voting does imply consent which is why if you really want change then voting is counterproductive.
The Constitution hasn’t been taken seriously by any member of the Federal Government in 100 years except Ron Paul. I hate to tell you people, but when Ron Paul is gone there isn’t another to take his place. But that doesn’t matter either. Ron Paul isn’t really radical because he still supports the state and its deeply flawed Constitution. Working within the system only supports the system. Take his philosophy of small government to its logical conclusion: individual sovereignty. I know that is hard to come to as a lot of programming must be overcome to reach this eminently logical position.
The US Empire is bankrupt and can not last another decade. Get involved in secession movements to move toward smaller, more local political units. Have a real Revolution by letting the US Federal Government go the way of the USSR Federal Government: into history. Is your goal liberty and freedom or political power?

I thank all the Ron Paul supporters who have inserted fact and intellectual honesty to this discussion. It is a shame that none of the Obama supporters came back to learn what is so needed.
Ron Paul is a kook, huh? All he is espousing is the basic tenets set forth by our founding fathers and all the people who died in the Revolutionary War.
Has anyone ever heard the phrase: give me liberty or give me death? That was not a campaign slogan, it was the very essence of what we fought for in establishing this country. Why is asking for liberty now, considered kooky?
The very idea that seeking liberty is nutty, is very very scary. What are all you people reading? How anti-American can you get?
I know it is not easy for people to grasp these concepts, I used to be a NY democrat myself. (although I never read any politics and knew nothing about the actual party.)
Here is what I learned that changed my mind: The government doesn’t have any money.
That simple.
I always thought the fight was over where the money should be spent. It never even occurred to me that the questions should be: Should the money be spent.
Think back to second grade. Hopefully by then you learned that stealing was wrong. Well, for any socialists that happen to be reading down this far:
Every penny the government spends it must, by definition, steal from the people. It has no money of its own. All funds come from the hard work of the citizens.
Now, tell me that you think that it is moral for the government to steal trillions of dollars from the people.
The poor are hurt the worst because every penny taken from then is a greater portion of their entire wealth. So, all government programs – that must steal from the people to exist- end up hurting the poor the most.
So, all you Obamaistas (they are the ones that are calling for more government and so they should get the Communist implication in their name) are you really for hurting the poor and destroying the middle class? If not, then you need to examine your premises and conclusions about basic economics.
The government does not have a money tree. When it prints money, it makes every dollar in your pocket worth less. Imagine you own a rare baseball card. It is worth a lot of money. Then you find out that the company decided to print a few more million of that card. Your card would drop in value. Same thing with dollars. The fewer there are, the more they are worth. When the gov’t prints a ton more, the dollars go down in value and you have just been taxed.
In truth, Obama, the first black President is calling for more slavery of the American people. Ironic, huh?
(It is slavery when you are forced to give your earned dollars to the gov’t against your will.)
Peace out to all the liberty lovers out there. Let us restore this country to its once great roots! (Minus the part about women and blacks not being equal).

RE: Ron Paul is in an alternative reality, as far as I’m concerned. I’m sick of people who moan about unfair taxes and big government, and then turn around and look for or expect the benefits and services that those government programs provide.
If I renounce those services, will you remove the gun from the table, and let me live in peace to keep, dissipate, or donate my wealth as I see fit? Will you allow me to realize the dream and sing in the words of that old negro gospel “free at last, free at last, thank G-d almighty, free at last”?
I thought not.
You have my prayer for youis that you do not get all the government you wish for.

This infidelity is unacceptable. We must all join with one another. We must all be united. There must be no detractors. Assimilation to the new movement of hope in which America now believes must be mandatory. Those who disagree should leave or be punished accordingly.

Obama voted for the bailout along with McCain.
He placed a NY Federal Reserve flunkie as Treasury Secretary.
Obama has made no effort to criticize Bernanke.
More bank failues are due this year and Obama already planned to bail out the wealthy.
Where Ron Paul critics fail is when they try to unfaily associate him with Republican policies because they have a very shallow understanding of economics, and an even worse grasp on what actually goes on in Congress.
Obama is another pawn of the wealthy. Ron Paul isn’t “corporate” by virtue of supporting the free market. So stop tossing out buzzwords and idiot guilty-by-association tactics. The Dems are reaching a Rovian low in doing this intellectualy dishonest smearing…
Ron Paul on opposing banking deregulation 10 years ago:
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec99/cr110899-glb.htm

Judging by the people that Obama appointed to his Cabinet, it’s clear that he is no different from Bush. They represent Obama’s agenda of corporate bailouts, inflating the dollar, war-mongering interventionism, domestic spying, detaining people without charging them, PATRIOT Act
legislation, crackdowns on gun ownership rights, more concentration of power within the Presidency, more illegal immigration, etc.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Those denigrating Dr. Paul are only revealing their own massive ignorance.
He doesn’t advocate policies “for rich people”.
Honest money benefits everyone, but the poor most of all. If a poor man keeps a savings account for his family’s security, he actually LOSES value in it every year because of our inflationary policies!
Ask yourself this simple question: Were rich folks starving in the streets in 1936?
Will rich folks be starving in the streets when (not “IF”) the big fall comes for our financial system.
Dishonest money and government expansion will destroy this country. We fully deserve what we’re going to get.

Ron Paul’s supporters, STOP writting essay here. Obamaons simply don’t have that attention span.
Use rhetoric. Simple slogan that they can understand.

None of you seem to understand that the ENTIRE cause of the financial breakdown was printing money to cover waste.

The next time I read a blog, I hope that it doesnt disappoint me as much as this one. I imply, I do know it was my choice to learn, but I really thought youd have something interesting to say. All I hear is a bunch of whining about one thing that you possibly can fix if you happen to werent too busy in search of attention.