Sacre Bleu! Le Monde Publishes Never-Before-Seen 1996 Interview With Obamas About Their Marriage
"Ma priorité est de ramener les valeurs publiques ou collectives au centre du débat," said President-elect Barack Obama in an interview running in today’s Le Monde newspaper.
Mr. Obama was not speaking in French; his words had been translated.
And in fact he hadn’t uttered them in more than 12 years.
The French newspaper Le Monde on Saturday took the Obama team by surprise by publishing an interview with Barack and Michelle Obama from 1996 in which the two spoke at length about their marriage, only four years after they were wed, and two years before their oldest daughter Malia was born.
Many themes will not surprise those who know or follow the Obamas.
Sitting down to talk about their future the same year Obama eventually ended up running for state senate (and winning), his wife Michelle in the interview expresses reservations about whether a life in politics is what they want.
And while her husband is less uncertain of his calling, he wonders aloud about his ability to maintain a balance between private and public life. He also sounds out some notes about restoring civility in discourse to public life and the notion that we’re all in this together, themes that have stayed with him throughout his career up through this week.
The interview, entitled "An Intimate Conversation with Michelle and Barack Obama," was conducted for a book about American marriages and was never published before today. The story was noticed in Le Monde by Tom McCarthy at the ABC News desk and translated from the French by Maeva Bambuck and Jean Fievet in ABC News’ London bureau. (When assessing the precise accuracy of the quotes below, keep in mind they have now been translated from English to French to English.)
"If You Look Deep Into Her Eyes, There’s a Certain Vulnerability"
President-elect Obama, who turned 35 that year, describes growing up with a single mother and absent father, and says, "I think that in a certain way, I’ve tried all my life to fabricate a family through stories, memories, friends or ideas. Michelle’s family life was different, very stable with two parents, a stay-at-home mom, a brother, a dog, that kind of thing. They’ve lived in the same house all their lives. And I think that in a certain way we complement each other, we represent two common models of family life in this country. One very stable and strong, another that frees itself from the constraint of a traditional family, travels, separates, is very mobile."
"A part of me was wondering what a strong, reassuring family life would look like," he says, "while Michelle in a way, wanted to break from that model. In a way only, because she’s very attached to family values, but I think she sometimes sees in me a more adventurous way of life, more exotic, and in that respect, we’re complementary."
Describing Michelle as "alluring" and with "a strong personality," the future President says, "if you look deep into her eyes, there’s a certain vulnerability. In any case, I see it even if most don’t realize it: she goes through life tall, beautiful, confident, very able…There’s a part of her that is fragile, young, sometimes scared, and I think these are contradictions that attracted me to her. And she makes me very happy. She is very familiar to me and so I can be myself around her, she knows me well, I completely trust her, but at the same time in certain respects she remains a mystery to me."
"Sometimes, when we’re lying together," he says, "I look at her and I feel dizzy with the realization that here is another distinct person from me, who has memories, origins, thoughts, feelings that are different from my own. That tension between familiarity and mystery meshes something strong between us. Even if one builds a life together based on trust, attentiveness and mutual support, I think that’s it’s important that a partner continues to surprise."
"I Was Thinking, ‘He’s Probably an Idiot, Whatever’"
"It was strange, that excitement over this first-year student," then-32-year-old Michelle Obama recalls when describing the buzz about a new summer associate at the law firm Sidley and Austin. "So smart, so good-looking, so intelligent, everyone was talking about Barack. I’m more of the skeptical kind, I was thinking, ‘Yeah, he’s probably an idiot, whatever.’"
Why was she skeptical? "Because I always thought that when lawyers rave about someone, they always neglect the relational qualities," Michelle says, "so I told myself, ‘He might be brilliant, but he’s probably very ordinary.’ And then on the first day, he showed up late. He was late because it’d been raining! And then he walked into the office and we got along right away because he was charming and very good-looking, at least I found him good-looking. I think we were attracted to one another because we didn’t take ourselves too seriously, like some others did. He liked my dry humor and my sarcastic comments. I thought he was a good man, interesting, and I was fascinated by his personal story, so different from mine."
The first lady-in-waiting clearly liked the fact that he was different and perhaps even a bit exotic.
"It’s not every day that a girl from the South Side of Chicago meets someone who speaks Indonesian, who has traveled and has seen many fascinating things," she says. "It gave him a rather rare dimension in my higher middle-class work environment. Usually, these people are all cast from the same mold, but he came from elsewhere. He had a high level of conversation, while still remaining an average guy. He had an impressive curriculum, but was very down to earth and liked playing basketball. That’s what I found attractive in him. Our relationship was first a friendship. It took off from there."
"There’s a strong possibility Barack will pursue a career in politics"
Asked how she envisions her future with her husband, Michelle says, "there’s a strong possibility that Barack will pursue a career in politics, although it’s not very clear yet. It’s an interesting challenge, the Illinois senate, although we’ve had disagreements on that topic. Once you’re involved in politics, your life becomes public and the people who scrutinize it are not always well-intentioned. I’m rather secretive and I like to surround myself with people I care about and who’s loyalty I trust."
"When you start in politics, you have to confide in all sorts of people," she continues. "We may go in that direction, even though I also want to have children, travel, and spend time with my family and friends. It’s not certain that we will succeed. But we’re going to be very busy with a number of different things, and it’s going to be interesting to see what life has to offer to us. We’re ready to take on that adventure for various reasons, for instance, for the opportunities it can open to us."
Her husband was clearly leading her down the path.
"Barack helped my overcome my shyness, take on risks, and try a less traditional path, just to see how it would go, because that’s how he was raised," she says."I’m the more traditional in the couple and he’s the more audacious. I’m more cautious. I think it shows in photographs. He’s more extroverted, more expansive, me I’m more ‘let’s wait and see how things present themselves and how it can benefit us.’"
Mr. Obama seems more sure that he will, in fact, enter politics.
"What concerns me the most are children and the way they are treated," he says about why he will pursue a career in public office. "As an African-American, I am very concerned about children from poor neighborhoods, the problems they deal with, the total lack of a stable environment to enable them to grow and develop. It depends a lot on the economy, the opportunities they are given, their own selves and their parents. It also depends on values, for instance on the kind of family values that get talked about a lot, especially by politicians."
He continues, saying, "values don’t just belong to individuals, they are also collective. Children are exposed to the values around them, and if they come to believe that the lives of their parents and their community cannot be rewarded, if their schools and homes are crumbling, how ca
n they come to believe in their own values when they don’t have any to begin with? My priority is to return social values to public debate, because we are all one big family, transcending racial or class differences. We have obligations and responsibilities towards one another."
He says, "perhaps that’s where the private and public spheres meet, when it comes to couples, relationships, families or tribes. What’s important is empathy, an understanding of shared responsibilities, the ability to put yourself in other people’s shoes. That’s why my marriage to Michelle is vibrant, because we are able to imagine the hopes, the pains, the personal battles of other people, and the challenge for everyone is to transfer that ability (for empathy) from the family sphere to the public sphere."
"The Issue Will Be Finding a Balance Between Public Life and Private Life"
Describing his father, Mr. Obama said "he studied economy in the United States, at the University of Hawaii and at Harvard. He wanted to contribute to development of Kenya but in the end, he was disappointed, he found himself implicated in political rivalries and the government blacklisted him because he’d protested against nepotism and tribalism. He had a bitter life and died young. Michelle’s father also had to overcome challenges and was stricken by multiple sclerosis. He too died young, but I think he had a steadier and more established life."
Speaking of his mother’s death just months before, Mr. Obama says, "she was only 53 years old. And when you have a small family, where every relative is very close to you…it was a difficult time for me. I have a sister on my mother’s side, she is half Indonesian like my mother’s second husband, and I also have brothers and sisters on the Kenyan side. They are very scattered, some live in Germany, others in Kenya, some here in the U.S."
Mr. Obama says that for him and his wife, "kids are an important priority. We really look forward to having them. I think that the issue will be finding a balance between public life and private life, which will mean finding a balance between my temperament that leans towards risk-taking and ambition, and Michelle’s instinct for stability, family and strong values. The way we go about dealing with these issues will be crucial."
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oh la la c’est la vie.
barack and michelle are like a fairy tale. most beautiful marriages are like fairy tales but they do exit behind the 50% divorse rates.
Posted by: pmb | January 10, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Interesting to see how he discussed his values when running for office was just a future goal. He seems to have stayed awfully consistent. Here’s hoping he has the skill (and the Congress) to improve our country.
Posted by: jhw539 | January 10, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
I’d say there were a few French embellishments with the translations from English. It made for some droll reading overall.
Posted by: kat | January 10, 2009, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
jake, actually google can do automatic translation of the Le monde website for you. i did it and the dialogue is clearer.
just google “le monde” and click translate this page on the right of the link in google.
oh la la. done.
Posted by: pmb | January 10, 2009, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
ENOUGH Already !
Posted by: Doug Russ | January 10, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Hmmmmm!
Posted by: anonymous | January 10, 2009, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
if you hate that barack is gonna be 44, go to the gym and get some persepective instead of pounding blogs with incoherent ramblings about unrelated nonsense.
really. when bush won i took up designing with flowers as a hobby. in no time i was a pro and democrats had won again.
american politics is not static so there’s no need to be spending all your time with vicious attacks and emotional stupidity on a blog where 99.99999% of human beings will not care about.
seriously, republicans look really bad when you read blogs.
Posted by: pmb | January 10, 2009, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Look, Obama is a smart guy. He’s right for the times…just as Bush was then…we all need to start being a little more complimentary
Posted by: Steve | January 10, 2009, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
The use of the word “fabricate” is clearly an overly literal translation from the French, where the word does not have the pejorative overtones it has in English.
Definitely a rush-job on the translation; I guess speed trumps accuracy when you’re trying to get a scoop.
Posted by: Jay Reeder | January 10, 2009, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
surprising how consistent they’ve stayed over the years. Merde, le monde est chanceux! (Dang, Le Monde is lucky). Getting an interview so far back?!!! oh la la…
Posted by: lupercal | January 10, 2009, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
Why does everyone assume that individuals who disagree with the medias love affair with the Obama’s is a Republican? I’m not and I can’t stand the one sided reporting we are currently enduring for the past 18 months when it comes to Obama. Go to any supermarket checkout lane and look at every other cover story about the Obama’s. Enough already. He isn’t even President yet and I’m already sick of how much we hear and see about this guy and his family. It is really bordering on ridiculous. Do you every remember the media falling all over itself for any other person before? Surely not a politician. They are setting the Obama’s up for the big fall once all the smoke and mirrors clear. The media has attacked the past two presidents with a vigor but they let the President elect get away with murder. What does that tell you? Wait for the other shoe to fall.
Posted by: Please | January 10, 2009, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
Please – When I get tired of hearing about a certain story or person ad nauseam, I turn the TV off and I certainly wouldn’t go on-line to read about it more and then complain about it.
Posted by: Seriously? | January 10, 2009, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
How do you know that this interview is even TRUE? That french newspaper couldve made the whole thing up. Unless this interview is on videotape, I dont believe anything in it. Why would anyone interview Barack and Michelle about marriage before he even considered running for office?
Posted by: vamon | January 10, 2009, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Wow. What a fabulous article.
Posted by: Independant Woman | January 10, 2009, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Thanks for an interesting look at their earlier years.
Posted by: DW | January 10, 2009, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
interesting story , i think bits and pieces of stories by people who knew them can help many put together what they really are. but so far they are what the american dream is all about.
Posted by: angela | January 10, 2009, 8:34 pm 8:34 pm
some much of this blog reads very sarcastic and bitter. i loved this read. bush and his cronies DESTROYED our country and it’s reputation throughout the world. and conservatives are beating up on Obama. Why shouldn’t the press be in love with him? he’s SMART, INTERESTING, EXHIBITS TRUE FAMILY VALUES, IS NOT AN ALCOHOLIC, LOVES HIS WIFE, DOESN’T CHEAT, IS TRYING, TRYING, to heal the damage done over the past 8 years. Guess what??? the media attacked bush for a reason. not because he was competent and wanted the best for our country. if the media loves obama it’s because he and his family are like a breath of fresh air.
Posted by: do | January 10, 2009, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
[The use of the word "fabricate" is clearly an overly literal translation from the French, where the word does not have the pejorative overtones it has in English.]
You might need/want to rethink your word ‘clearly’ here; after reading Jack Cashill’s deconstruction of Obama’s ‘Dreams. . .’ Cashill not alone in this assesment and he makes an excellent case. It would appear by time-line of this interview; that Obama’s book may have just taken on a life; or was about to.
All to say; do not think there was any license taken with the word ‘fabricate’; it is an honest word; but it does imply ‘Will’; and perhaps too much for comfort. But whether a ‘willful’ rendition and/or a semi- concious creation with willingly borrowed elements; Obama is clearly telling a truth when he offers. . .”I think that in a certain way, I’ve tried all my life to fabricate a family through stories, memories, friends or ideas.”
Think Obama has been an ‘empty-suit walking’, in search of an authentic owner; and that ‘big/solid and real’, Michelle, helped Obama find his ‘form’.
(Of course, many American’s; including myself; still see only an ‘empy suit walking’; but that is another discussion. )
Posted by: Catherine T. | January 10, 2009, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
this was a good find for a boring saturday afternoon in snowy manhattan.
Posted by: pmb | January 10, 2009, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
What some Obamaphiles can’t seem to understand is that it is DANGEROUS to have our media not look at candidates and serving politicians with a cynical critical eye. If they become followers instead of reporters we lose the valuable protections of a free media. They become instead a propaganda arm. This is how freedoms are lost and bad policies are produced. Without fear of media exposing them, politicians, ALL of them, are capable of just about anything.
Posted by: bruno T | January 10, 2009, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
I always wonder about those who insist on reading stories about people they don’t like and then complain about them.
If you don’t like Obama then, don’t read the article! duuuhhh!
Thank you Jake for reprinting this article. It is fun to read about an interview from Le Monde because I both supported Obama and am half french.
I bet they knew about him from his profiles when he became the first AA president of the Harvard Law Review and tracked him down.
I look forward to having a brilliant president who can actually speak clearly and inspiring.
Big change from the inarticulate and bumbling failure in the white house now. The guy who uses fear to control his ‘base’ for his own personal agenda.
Posted by: vwcat | January 10, 2009, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
Is this French Article even real?
Posted by: Janet | January 10, 2009, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Those who from youth are true to the Natural Laws governing human behavior ARE going to live consistent themes throughout their lives.
Those who are confused about life ARE going to live inconsistent lives.
Between his pedigree, some dam fine values instilled during his youth, and his own family, Barack Obama lives a life of confidence, intelligence, good will and self-assuredness.
Posted by: Patriot | January 10, 2009, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
What kind of family values did the Obamas impart to their daughters as they all sat together for years while they listened to Rev Wright’s sermons?
Actions speak louder than words…
Enough with the revisionist tales…
Posted by: Bess | January 10, 2009, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Great article about the Obamas.
Posted by: Lynne | January 10, 2009, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Which of President Elect Obama’s Kenyan family members (that he refers to during this interview) live in the USA and what states do they live in?
Posted by: Bess | January 10, 2009, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
Catherine T: as a fluent French and English speaker, I stand by my assertion that “fabricate a family” is CLEARLY a sloppy translation of the phrase “fabriquer une famille” used in the original French article. A more correct word, in this context, would have been “make.”
If you want to smear Obama’s character, knock yourself out. But do not smear my translation :)
Posted by: Jay Reeder | January 10, 2009, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
The thing that keeps surprising me is that whatever you read something that Barack Obama says, whether it be this article, his books, his website, his campaign, his message is always consistent. He at least deserves some credit for that.
Posted by: Steve | January 10, 2009, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
Steve, you wrote:
“The thing that keeps surprising me is that whatever you read something that Barack Obama says, whether it be this article, his books, his website, his campaign, his message is always consistent. He at least deserves some credit for that.”
Should’nt we be comparing his words with his ACTIONS- not merely his other words… Major disconnect there…sorry to say.
Posted by: bess | January 10, 2009, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Interesting that this would show up NOW–? What a joke.
Why would Obama have attracted attention of the French (Socialists) at that time?
Posted by: sara in va | January 10, 2009, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
wow… some of these comments are so hateful and envious! haters, keep on hatin’, ’cause president obama is the best thing to happen to this country in a loooooooooooooooong time!
Posted by: obama supporter | January 10, 2009, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
ZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…………
Posted by: nomoregore | January 10, 2009, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
Why would anyone, especially a foreign newspaper, interview a no name civil rights attorney from Illinois? Also he did not run for senate and win until 2004. This article sounds like one fat fabrication.
Posted by: Joe Milkman | January 10, 2009, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
After reading the comments below that are rude and angry. I wonder why people who do not like the Obama’s come to articles and read them.
Obama is a politician, Yes. We did not think anything more. But he is also a politician that is one of a hand full that has not cheated on his wife, remarried or killed anyone.
Get over it. Give him a chance.
Posted by: Laura Hubka | January 10, 2009, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Hey Laura H–
Your comments could be made about President Bush. I didn’t see any on the Left give him a chance.
Sounds like Obama lovers will take their medicine for the next 4 years.
Posted by: Double Standard | January 10, 2009, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
Please is right! The media is so slanted toward the Obama machine and the Kennedy’s and the Clinton’s. It makes you sick! Sarah Palin was actually kicked, stomped and drug throught the mud; but when Caroline Kennedy was picked for Hillary’s seat, no outrage at all! You liberals make me laugh. Al Franken!!?? Blageovich is right! All the seats in our government are for sale to the highest bidder and the media are in the liberals own pocket!
Posted by: Fed up | January 10, 2009, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
“Sometimes, when we’re lying together,” he says, “I feel dizzy with the realization..blah blah blah…”
Come on people – nobody talks like this. EVER. Totally scripted, a farce.
(If he does talk like this, no wonder he scares our troops.)
Posted by: sara in va | January 10, 2009, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
This is gorgeous. I have not been a big fan of theirs though I am happy that a Democrat won the WH. This interview makes me like them as people and it feels good to do so. Thanks.
Posted by: Cookie M | January 10, 2009, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
“Come on people – nobody talks like this. EVER.”
Well, that may be true but remember this interview was first translated from English into French and then from French back into English. So, while the gist is probably correct, the actual words used may be a little garbled from the original.
Posted by: Lisa | January 10, 2009, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
What a nice read
Posted by: Mrs. Daniel | January 10, 2009, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Ah! If only those attacking the Obamas could ready French, their own life will be different.
Some of these reactions are not surprising at all. They go likethis:
- Is this article real?
- Where do Barack brothers and sisters live?
- The French are socialist.
- …
If that’s all you deeply think of and come up with, then we are still in trouble in America even after Bush.
Try this in French at Jake’s link.
Change is on the way.
Cheers!
Posted by: Sir | January 10, 2009, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Exactly! Who are your state senators just off the top of your head?
Posted by: JoeMilkman | January 10, 2009, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
LOL. Many people are angry because they’ve NEVER seen a genunine political couple like this before. Where’s Cindy McCain now?
Posted by: Sallie | January 10, 2009, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Dear Sallie: I cannot even imagine why you’d feel the need to insult Cindy McCain in commenting on this article.
Posted by: Lily | January 10, 2009, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
I’m a little skeptical about an out of the blue, never been seen article from 1996 about the Obamas. What would make Le Monde write about them in 1996? They were unknowns politically then.
I’m not buying it.
Posted by: ummm..question please | January 10, 2009, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
It was a good story. Thank you for translating it. I love to read about our next President.
Posted by: goldiekins | January 10, 2009, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
I think there’s a reason this article from Le Monde has never before been seen before today. It’s a made up interview written by Le Monde, and released today. I seriously doubt there was an interview with the Obama’s in 1996.
Posted by: I'm Skeptical | January 10, 2009, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Mais sacre-bleu. Michelle et Barak c’est une jolie histoire entre deux amoureux qui se sont retrouves par hasard et ayant formes un couple formidable et de haut calibre. Merci Jaque.
Posted by: BKMC | January 10, 2009, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Good Lord, didn’t anyone bother to read about the man before you voted against him?
Obama was written about on the front page of the NY Times in 1990 because he was elected the 1st black president of the Harvard Law Review. As a result he was asked to write a book by a major publisher. This interview is one of many he conducted after the book was published. He wasn’t famous but he was hardly unknown. There are interviews published from the period. Look them up if you know how to use “the Google.”
As for Joe the milkman – he ran for STATE Senator that year. And won. That means he was in the Illinois Senate.
Posted by: whatever | January 10, 2009, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
The purpose of the comment portion of this page is to express your like, dislike, indifference, skepticism, etc. of the article. Many here do just that, but occasionally there comes along some who do not understand that concept and feel compelled to attack the readers of the article.
Posted by: Joe Milkman | January 10, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
sometimes obama can say the most beautiful things, and most of the time, as in this case it’s when he’s talking about his wife. Beautiful sentiment expressed there where he talks about their differences in upbringing balance their relationship out. He’s looking for adventure, she’s the stable one. He grounds himself by clinging to his family even after he’s indulged his risky tendencies and ambitions he wants to come back home to his family where there’s calm, peace and stability. They have accepted the differences between each other and learned they can compliment each in their family arrangement despite those differences.
As I’ve said before, Michelle is the foundation O has built his successful career on. Don’t think it’s not true , look at his words and you’ll see that it is. Those who don’t like her fail to see as he does, that she provides the steadiness he needs. She brings him down to earth and he needs somebody to do that.
He loves her.
Posted by: nanao | January 10, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Dear Fed Up (who posted at 10:10)
Caroline Kennedy has not been picked for Sen Clinton’s Senate seat. Two things:
1) Senator Clinton has not yet resigned, therefore the seat is not vacant. Further, as of right now it looks as tho’ the possibility of Caroline Kennedy being appointed is not that good. Here’s a tip – read/listen and comprehend – don’t jump to conclusions.
2) You are so eager to trash the “liberal” or “left” that you conveniently either leave out the facts or just make them up.
3) Sarah Palin is not a victim. The press was not unfair to her. It is not Katie Couric’s fault or any other journalist’s fault that Ms. Palin could not answer simple questions that other politicians have. What internet bloggers wrote and disseminated about her is sad and unfortunate. But if memory serves Ms. Palin had absolutely no problem spreading lies and innuendo about Barack Obama during the campaign-many of which came from bloggers-almost to the point of inciting ugly incidents. This is getting tiresome. There was an election and John McCain and Sarah Palin lost. It is not the media’s fault, it is not Tina Fey’s fault, it is not the “left’s” fault; it is because the majority of the American people made the determination that they did not want these two people in power. The end. Let’s all move on.
Posted by: Liz | January 10, 2009, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
To TruthBTold
Thank you!!! I wish I had said that! Nicely said.
Posted by: Liz | January 10, 2009, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
BKMC, Merci de vos mots aimables et poétiques
Posted by: TruthBtold | January 10, 2009, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
To ummm question please- The article was about MARRIAGE in AMERICA, not politics.
Posted by: AKAChip | January 10, 2009, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
those of you that are so (strangely) astonished by this article have clearly never read anything about the Obamas. This is totally consistent with every other interview they have done as a couple. Haters – Obama could come out with a heartfelt prayer and patriotic poem and you’d still find a way to insult him. At least those of us that dislike Bush have just cause!
Posted by: allie08 | January 10, 2009, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
What a crock of horse manure. Anyone who believes a word of this is delusional.
Posted by: connemara | January 10, 2009, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Seriously AKA-
The article could have been written about the Obamas’ love for toy poodles. Who cares? I am still skeptical that this never before been seen article just happens to show up.
Call me cynical about believing anything written by news organizations today.
Posted by: ummm..question please | January 10, 2009, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
I am not that big of an Obama fan, but I don’t get it what’s wrong with the article? Why are people upset by it? Michelle is one of the reasons I like Obama.
Posted by: rachel | January 10, 2009, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
Im french so my english is not perfect… Le monde explains the origin of the interview. It is not an interview made by le monde in 1996, but by mariana cook, a photograph, for a book about couples and marriages in america. The publisher, chronicle books, decided not to keep that interview in the final book because the couple was “too normal” and prefered another black couple more exotic…
Posted by: Kultissim | January 10, 2009, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
The Barack-Michelle-MSM menage-a-trois shows no sign of cooling off anytime soon…
Posted by: tjp | January 10, 2009, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
TO ALL IDIOTS WHO CLAIM THE INTERVIEW WAS FABRICATED.
The interview was conducted by a journalist in the U.S. in ’96, and she was running a series of interviews about “American couples”. Of course the Obamas weren’t interesting at all to any French journalist at that time. Le Monde just discovered the interview now, something no American media managed to do in 12 years. Le Monde is a leading newspaper in France, and deserves the very good reputation it has. Maybe it’s because they report actual facts that annoys you?
The interview was of course made in English. Le Monde found it and translated it to French. Then ABC News translated it back to English. As simple as that. That’s why what you see here is not colloquial language.
Posted by: Steve | January 10, 2009, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
Mr. Obama has lied many times before. Is this article a lie or is it Mr. Obama who is lying?
Posted by: young_voter | January 10, 2009, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
The Obama’s are a tale of what is possible in our country. People here are speaking about ‘fabricate’ as if it is something terrible. If you desire something that doesn’t fit the traditional mold of something, of course you will fabricate in order to justify and be confident of your own existence. As for the people that are complaining about the Obamas, good. It takes a lot nowadays to put your emotions aside, critically think about what the “otherside” has to offer, and synthesize that information for whatever agenda you have. Instead there are those that have heightened Obama to a deity. Obama will make a great president, but no president should go without harsh scrutiny. Thats what they sign up for.
Posted by: Jonny | January 10, 2009, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
I think this was a beautiful article and I think of all the wars, hate, and misery going on in this world, and I wonder how many of you, who are making these distasteful and nasty remarks, really mean them. Are you unhappy or something? or why do you do this? You evidently are premature or not doing your research. It is pretty hard to look into Obama’s eyes and Michelle’s eyes (who is beautiful and wonderful, by the way)and not see the honesty and intelligence there. They have 2 pretty and happy little girls that are living proof of a happy family life. Yes, we can!
Posted by: Kate | January 10, 2009, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
Gee-I’m willing to give Obama the same respect that was given to Pres. Bush. Did I catch any soppy “interviews” about the great marriage and family values of George and Laura? Definitely not in Le Monde or the NYT. BTW George and Laura have a great marriage and it has been a bit more tested. We will see how this one lasts. Given Obama’s lack of a father in the home, a whacky mom with all her communist friends, the statistics are against him. This interview just sounds too slick and edited…just like Obama himself.
Posted by: Anne | January 10, 2009, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm
It is just another fluff piece about B.Obama. There never seems to be an article which actually examines him and his accomplishments or the many inconsistencies in his history. It could be that there is not much to the man other than just journalistic fluff that people want to hear. We have a country full of people who are very self-indulgent. We eat too much, we drink too much, we take too many medications while we play our video games or watch fluff television. We, as a country, have a hard time looking at reality and voted in an illusion.
Posted by: Linda | January 10, 2009, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
To all the doubters out there:
Obama is the man..even Spiderman thinks so.
How’s that for fluff?
Posted by: Spidey Prez | January 10, 2009, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
who cares ?
Nancy and RR were a fairy tale, not the Obamas.
Laura and GB truely love each other
Barbara and GB love one another
NO SEX SCANDALS IN A REPUBLICAN MARRIAGE.
Posted by: BABS | January 10, 2009, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
Want to know about Barack ? Read his first book.
Posted by: pb | January 11, 2009, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Enough of fairy tales. Doesn’t anyone notice the media sweetheart is gonna bury us in taxes?
Who do you think is gonna pay for all the corporate bailouts? Not only Congress screwed us with the banks bailouts, but Obama now wants to bailout anybody who asks for money. It’s despicable.
Posted by: Mauricio Villablanca | January 11, 2009, 12:06 am 12:06 am
hate.hate.hate.
Beautiful and eloquent. You wish you loved your sig other as much as yourself.
Posted by: jrd | January 11, 2009, 12:06 am 12:06 am
NO SEX SCANDALS IN A REPUBLICAN MARRIAGE.
_________________________
Babs – I hope I can get to sleep as I have been just LMAO at your post. OMG! Are you serious? Do any of these names ring a bell?
Mark Foley, John Hathaway, Newt Gingrich, Rudy Giuliani, Jack Ryan, Donald Lukens, Philip Giordano
Bob Packwood, Larry Craig, Bob Livingston, Jim West, and on and on and on and on………
Posted by: Paige | January 11, 2009, 12:22 am 12:22 am
This is not a fabrication, just look at the language, This is how they talk. Barack and Michelle always sound so in tune with each other’s emotions and it is very insightful. They speak very poetically about each other all the time, this should strike as no surprise. If you hate the Obamas you must be cold hearted because they are good, genuine people doing the best they can. GO PRES-Elect Obama!
Posted by: Dreamer | January 11, 2009, 12:26 am 12:26 am
For Paige:
Nice list, figure there are a few more.
I’ll trade all of those for a Lewinsky…You will still owe me..
Posted by: John G. | January 11, 2009, 12:26 am 12:26 am
For Willem van Oranje:
Again, Lewinsky anyone? You still owe me..
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 12:29 am 12:29 am
God… this is so fake. All of these comments sound like the same people who watch Oprah.
Eww
Posted by: jrcusa | January 11, 2009, 12:30 am 12:30 am
Barack Obama has been very consistent throughout his entire career in politics, he always had that same consist mission, to bring about progress that will affect the people’s lives in a positive way. He always had the heart of a public servant. GOBAMA!
Posted by: Dreamer | January 11, 2009, 12:31 am 12:31 am
So much unnecessary hate from the ‘right wingers’. It’s good to remind yourself these haters are extremists, and that most Americans are fairly decent people.
Posted by: pefros | January 11, 2009, 12:31 am 12:31 am
For Pefros:
Lewinsky……….Lewinsky…..
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 12:37 am 12:37 am
John G -
I owe you nothing. You must not be aware of some of the despicable acts some of these guys have done as some involve a fall from Republican grace due to their involvement with children………
They make the Lewinksy scandal look trivial.
Posted by: Paige | January 11, 2009, 12:37 am 12:37 am
God… this is so fake. All of these comments sound like the same people who watch Oprah.
______________________________
How would you know?
Posted by: Paige | January 11, 2009, 12:39 am 12:39 am
It’s amazing to see how many stupid comments from the so called “internet news readers”. This is just an article from a magazine about the president-elect 12 years ago. It allows us to see into Mr. Obama’s thinking at the time when national politic was not even in his plan. How can you read an article like this and make hateful comments is beyond me. And if you think he planned all of these to run for POTUS today, then he is so smart and you are lucky to have such a smart person as your president.
Posted by: Lancedal | January 11, 2009, 12:40 am 12:40 am
I forgot what site I was on until I started reading the comments.
Geez, you people are full of hate.
Posted by: Sabreen60 | January 11, 2009, 12:40 am 12:40 am
For Paige:
Please, the Lewinsky affair is the single most embarrassing act a sitting US President has made. It even trumps Nixon. It more than anything, made our leaders mortal in the eyes of the world and therefore our country weaker. Clinton should have been tossed out on his ear. Any of his subordinates would have been.
Lewinsky…Lewinsky….
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 12:42 am 12:42 am
Yes even back then he had desires to run for office. Thats why he became a community organizer. And in his 10 years of elected office what has he done? I would like to see one journalistic effort at compiling the Obama record over his 10 years in office. What has he done? Has he balanced a budget and negotatiated a 40 Billion Dollar Pipeline like Sarah Palin?? Just what has he done? Has he CHANGED anything in Chicago??
Posted by: Dennis D | January 11, 2009, 12:42 am 12:42 am
This article is consistant with every interview Barack and Michelle has ever given, in response to questions when asked about their marriage, their families and michelle hesitation to them entering the realm of politics. My, Lord what is the big deal if the interview took place yesterday or back in the 90,s. There have been books, interviews on CNN, CBS, ABC and so on, and so on. This article rings true to every thing they have said over the last two years. WHERE HAVE YOU CRITICS BEEN?
Posted by: NoBlinders | January 11, 2009, 12:49 am 12:49 am
At the end of the day…..
This is just another piece of fluff written by the MSM.
Meaningless really.
Best regards,
Spidey Prez
Posted by: Spidey Prez | January 11, 2009, 12:55 am 12:55 am
People express their views and thoughts and if its not inline with your thinking its hate? Are we not to question our politicians? Have we grown so politically inept as a population as a whole that if we question we are hating?
For those that say the Repubs are hateful on blogs….take a trip over to Moveon.org and the other Lib blogs and tell me who is spewing pure adulterated hate.
Its on both sides. Not just the one that you happen to not associate with. Open your eyes, check your sources and actually use a percentage of that thing between your ears before you ramble on about hate.
Posted by: CommonSense | January 11, 2009, 1:02 am 1:02 am
John G:
“It more than anything, made our leaders mortal in the eyes of the world and therefore our country weaker.”
ROTFLMAO. On the Contrary!
It made Clinton extremely POPULAR in the eyes of the world. The world wished Dubya had had more sex (marital or extra-marital) so he wouldn’t have felt so insecure about his masculinity.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | January 11, 2009, 1:04 am 1:04 am
Michelle is beautiful, and they are a family to admire.
Posted by: Jay | January 11, 2009, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Reading about the Obamas is like reading
a love novel. I feel all fuzzy and warm,
I think we all want to love and be loved
deeply…it’s the way God made us. If we
Keep our hearts open, it’ll surely come!
Posted by: crazielikafox | January 11, 2009, 1:13 am 1:13 am
While Barry may be a nice guy and a good family dude, he is still a socialist. He should stay out of government.
Posted by: Sherrick | January 11, 2009, 1:18 am 1:18 am
They sound like a nice couple to me. Period.
Posted by: David | January 11, 2009, 1:32 am 1:32 am
Obama is a fabrication. This interview is so fake just like everything else. They hardly lived together.
Posted by: Peace Train | January 11, 2009, 1:33 am 1:33 am
There is a small mistranslation: “… he [Barack Obama Sr.] found himself implicated in political rivalries …” should rather have been “… he found himself involved in political rivalries …”
Posted by: jmc | January 11, 2009, 1:33 am 1:33 am
Interesting. Strong Family Values. Good People. Since this interview was from so long ago, nice to see they have stayed on course. Still care about people. Still trying to make a difference.
Posted by: sus | January 11, 2009, 1:50 am 1:50 am
“I think that in a certain way, I’ve tried all my life to fabricate a family through stories, memories, friends or ideas. ”
I was curious about the word ‘fabricate’. Seeing as how so much has been made about B.O.’s birth certificate, I found it an unusual word choice, so I found the interview on Le Monde’s site. “…j’ai toute ma vie essayé de me fabriquer une famille…”
Although ‘fabriquer’ can certainly be translated literally as ‘fabricate’, in this case I think ‘create’ would have been a better choice. I mean, really, do you think a person is going to actually say “I’ve tried all my life to fabricate a family”?
Posted by: arturo | January 11, 2009, 1:50 am 1:50 am
I’m not surprised by anything in this article, and yes, I’m sure Obama had rehearsed everything he said many times.
The question I have is why Anyone interviewed Barack Obama in 1996, for a bbook about married couples. It wasn’t by accident, and it wasn’t without intent. That’s the year he ran for State Senate, right?
Was a supporter intending to help Obama?
Posted by: RPhillips | January 11, 2009, 1:56 am 1:56 am
When I was a child I use to be scared to go to bed because I beleived that ugly monsters came out late at night, guess what,it’s true…just look at some of the comments on here! Maybe if we turn on the positive lights they will disappear and go away forever!!!!!
Posted by: crazielikafox | January 11, 2009, 2:01 am 2:01 am
Michelle Obama is a refined, highly educated and BEAUTIFUL woman. Barack is luck to have her as a partner.
Posted by: laura condon | January 11, 2009, 2:12 am 2:12 am
For those that don’t understand why the media would be interested in Obama prior to him running for office, you don’t seem to grasp the prestige of being the first African American to become the President of the Harvard Law Review. The amount of press that he received due to that accomplishment was astounding. He also had numerous high paying job offers upon graduating from law school but went back to Chicago. So yes, this interview is real.
Posted by: KarenT | January 11, 2009, 2:21 am 2:21 am
Steve:
I’m sorry you are so compelled to call others “IDIOT” because they smell a fake.
What we are lead to believe (by Le Monde) is that sometime in early 1996 (because of the election cycle) that someone chose the Obama couple for an interview about MARRIAGE!! If that much is true, we must now ask ourselves if the Obamas used this opportunity to PLAY UP THEIR RELATIONSHIP for her tape-recorder, hoping to be included in her book or article, OR DID THEY PLAY IT STRAIGHT? [Hint: Two Harvard trained lawyers, considering a future in politics, would NEVER let ANY opportunity go to waste.]
HE WAS GOING TO RUN FOR OFFICE AND HE WANTED ATTENTION; she wanted him to win; what do you think they did?
Sorry Steve, but I have worked for scores of pols over the years (both R and D) and they have one thing in common; THE URGE TO BE LOVED!! AND THE URGE TO GET GOOD PRESS!!
WE KNOW that a free-lance agent purported to do this interview; NOT a Le Monde reporter.
WE KNOW that Le Monde was offered this piece as “legit” and took it and published it. [Most papers are in financial trouble; why would anyone turn this piece down (fake or real; puffed or actual)?]
WE DO NOT KNOW if the writer “doctored it” since 1996.
WE DO NOT KNOW if the interview was even done in 1996.
WE DO NOT KNOW if the writer lied to Le Monde to get her piece published.
WE DO KNOW that the easiest (and cheapest) way to get something into an American paper is to FIRST PUBLISH IT BY THE FOREIGN PRESS!!!
Look, ANY AMERICAN “HUSBAND” who ADMITS to getting “dizzy” when in bed with his wife, HAS GOT SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE (cause that is not a “normal” admission for a man FROM CHICAGO who is going to run for office).
Please, Steve, don’t play us ALL for stupid. Some of us can think past a set up job meant to fool!!
Posted by: stgeorgeschapel | January 11, 2009, 2:48 am 2:48 am
It seems to drive some people crazy that a random interview taken before Obama held elected office shows him to be so consistent to his values to this day. More such material will emerge.
The main right wing attack on Obama was that his character was unknown. Every day, something comes out that shows that he’s always been who he says he is. I watched another interview with someone who knew him at Occidental when he was even younger.
Posted by: Axl | January 11, 2009, 2:57 am 2:57 am
It’s always interesting that all those who for eight years had nothing but savage venom and hatred for a sitting president — AND his family and anyone and anyting associated with him! — now have all of a sudden found their righteous, sanctimonious conscience, questioning why so much “hate” for the coming president — now that it is their president!
Priceless! The bald hypocricy of lefties.
Posted by: fish story | January 11, 2009, 3:19 am 3:19 am
Fascinating insight into the minds of our 44th President and the First Lady. Translating from English to French and now back to English may have led to some minor translating errors that need tweaking. It’ll be a very proud day for our family when we take our beautiful bi-racial adopted son to the inauguration ceremony to witness a momentous, historic event. Obama’s place in history will closely follow the Presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, The Greatest President of the 20th Century.
May God Bless, Guide, and Protect President Obama always. I for one can NOW proudly say WITH GREAT PRIDE that I am an American.
Posted by: Luis Font | January 11, 2009, 4:39 am 4:39 am
I have heard Michelle in many interviews mention her first thought when she heard about Barack Obama (that is, before she meet him personally).
When somebody at the work place told her that the new guy’s name was “Barack Obama”…. her first reaction was “I am sure he is weird”.
“weird” was the word she used many times to describe that event.
I guess the “idiot” part on this article was just a case of lost in translation.
Maybe ABC should retrieve the original english interview, instead of double translations.
Posted by: samron | January 11, 2009, 4:41 am 4:41 am
some people talk about family values all the while intruding and spotlighting other peoples relationships and families. other live family values and do so without imposing some mandate on how familes should work. ive never doubted bush’s love for laura or bush 1 to barbara and definitely dont doubt baracks love for michelle. anne coulter chirps about liberals destroying the nuclear family yet we have millions of liberals who love and support each other without hesitation
Posted by: Allamr18 | January 11, 2009, 4:54 am 4:54 am
What a beautiful interview. What a lovely couple. Thanks for publishing this (finally!)
Posted by: ACS | January 11, 2009, 5:11 am 5:11 am
Responding to BABS (above): NO SEX SCANDALS IN A REPUBLICAN MARRIAGE
“Nancy and RR were a fairy tale…”
Studio starlet Nancy slept her way down to RR, at the time a B-flick actor whom Jane Wyman dumped.
“Laura and GB truely love each other”
Based on what evidence?
“Barbara and GB love one another”
I assume you mean GHWB (or else we’re talking incest). 41 may love his wife but it doesn’t mean he didn’t cheat on her with MT and CJ.
Posted by: tc10025 | January 11, 2009, 5:24 am 5:24 am
It’s too bad that even when objective, or pro-Obama people commenting here, have actual information to answer the Obama-hater’s accusations, the haters still repeat the same suspicions. The haters, if they have any intention of providing any valid criticisms of Obama, will need to stop being so paranoid, and figure out something substantive to tell us, and especially not insist on things that aren’t true when the same web page that contains their off-base suspicions, has the actual answers to them.
And yes, most of the so-called “criticisms” on this page, do amount to hate, not criticism, since most of the criticisms here are so off the wall, that anyone who holds them can’t be thinking clearly. As already explained by non-haters commenting here:
- the interview really did take place in 1996;
- it wasn’t published at the time since it wasn’t originally intended to be published in the newspapers–it was part of a series of interviews for a book on marriage, and the author decided the Obamas were “too normal” for the purposes of the book;
- the Obamas were interviewed because Barack was a public figure after becoming the first black person to be elected president of the Harvard Law Review (some people may not remember that, but I do, as do many other people);
- Barack really does talk like that–I’ve seen him use almost exactly the same phrases in interviews during the past year, so he’s consistent. You can poke fun at his waxing poetic about his wife, but to say nobody talks like that, shows you’ve run into a narrower range of people in your life, than you think. Even if the Obamas were trying to sell themselves in 1996, due to Barack’s desire to enter politics, it’s doubtful if it was self-promotion to any unusual degree. If the Obamas had a relationship dramatically different from what they’ve described ever since 1996, we would have heard about it by now–you can be sure plenty of anti-Obamaites have been trying to dig up that dirt, but we haven’t heard any of it–instead, just complaints like “nobody talks like that”.
The fluff I see here, is in the pointless criticisms here directed against Obama. These aren’t insightful criticisms–they’re just meant to incite. Anti-Bush commentators can get even more strident, but we’ve had good reason to (re-read the newspapers for the past eight years to be reminded why).
The reason there’s been so much criticism of Bush over the past eight years, is because of the things we’ve seen him do, and not do, which have ravaged the US and parts of the rest of the world. Those actions deserved the criticisms he got. He’s usually credited with just about only one thing: he “kept us safe” from another attack after 9/11. Well, he didn’t do a very good job about preventing 9/11 itself, even when he was handed many intelligence reports between his inauguration in January 2001, and Sept 10, warning him of an impending attack, along with enough details to have prevented the attack. He and Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc. just brushed these reports aside, then later lied about whether they’d ever read them. Then they later lied about why the US should attack Iraq. And so on. Some valid basis for criticism there, I’d say–more basis than for weird ideas like those expressed here believing this interview is fake, even after it’s been proven it wasn’t fake, etc.
With Bush, we didn’t just set up a “nice guy” and throw rocks at him because he’s a Republican. There were reasons for the criticisms of Bush. Obama isn’t even in office yet, and some people think he should be vilified just because Bush was? Bush earned it. There’s much less material about Obama to attack, and so we see people grasping at straws to “get” him early on. If you keep that up, you’re going to be spinning your wheels and stripping your gears for the next four to eight years, for no good reason. I wouldn’t waste so much of my one life doing that.
Posted by: John Sawyer | January 11, 2009, 5:53 am 5:53 am
It is pitiful to read of the worship by the VITRIOLIC AND HATEFUL LIBERALS now that their president is going to rule.
Now the hypocrites are lecturing Real Americans because we dare to not worship the false obama. For you see, the Real Americans have brains and are led by fraud obama.
Fraud obama says Americans must suffer – it aint gonna happen with me – after 8 years of LIBERAL VITRIOL AND HATE about a real president that kept liberals safe and secure – I not suffering or sharing or helping or anything else that the fraud spouts about
VITRIOLIC AND HATEFUL LIBERALS – good luck with your president. you are going to need it to overcome all your hypocrisy from the last 8 years.
Posted by: Jack Kennedy | January 11, 2009, 7:09 am 7:09 am
Gee..just what did those children learn while they attended Rev Wrights hate -filled church all those years. The Obamas should have shown more concern for their children than to subject them to the likes of Wright, Ayers, Rezko, Farrkham etc etc etc . I’ll bet the Obamas even tell their children to be wary of who they associate with— advice that Obama should have taken himself many many years ago. WE can see through all the fluff and the MSNBC hero worship so lets stop with these ridiculous cutesy cutesy stories already. They met, they married… he hung out with gays ….etc.. whatever….
Posted by: jimbo | January 11, 2009, 7:12 am 7:12 am
In a nutshell: give Obama a chance to show what he can do, before you tell us what he’s already done before he’s had a chance to do it. People making predictions about Obama sound a lot like Nostradamus, or the current “Armageddon Week” on the History Channel.
Posted by: John Sawyer | January 11, 2009, 7:50 am 7:50 am
pure crap
Posted by: fidel33134 | January 11, 2009, 8:04 am 8:04 am
My, there are many childish posts on this blog against President-elect Obama. Most of these use poor english and less than nice words. Such language and hate-filled emotion takes away from anything you may say that is useful. It is a psychological exercize and it is clear that dialog isn’t the intent. Furthermore, since most of the “names” given for the posts are mispelled, this looks rather rushed and suspect.
If you people who write these types of posts want to influence anyone toward your ideas (versus against them), just write with some type of real argument and present your case.
Posted by: lucy2008 | January 11, 2009, 8:24 am 8:24 am
I blog occasionally….. especially when an intelligent discussion is going on. I must say, for the most part, I agree with the blogger who called much of this dicussion unadulterated fecal material….especially the right wing conspiracy nuts. What an empty life you have. Get up and do something positive for this country instead of just whining out your delusions.
Posted by: prohb | January 11, 2009, 8:27 am 8:27 am
I am so proud and relieved to FINALLY have a President I don’t have to feel ashamed of! How refreshing to have a President that can string together a coherent thought and a full sentence. How wonderful it is to have someone that is SMART and actually CARES about ALL Americans, not just certain ones. I cried tears of relief and joy the night they called the election for Barack and I will cry like a baby when he takes the oath of office – America has suffered enough, it’s time to start pulling together as ONE. Great article. Thanks ABC!
Posted by: career fed | January 11, 2009, 8:30 am 8:30 am
How much will America have to endure before the media love affair with the Empty Suit wears off?
What do we, as a country, have to endure?
Will we survive?
Posted by: James | January 11, 2009, 8:33 am 8:33 am
Karen: Your knee-jerk response missed key points (hence, you are arguing circular; while telling your fellow posters that they are all stupid). So, let’s try to address your argument (by comparing it to actual events, which prove it to be problematic).
There WAS NO INTERVIEW BY ANY NEWSPAPER! Le Monde merely published something independent that came “over the transom.”
His appointment to lead the Harvard Law Review was hardly an “accomplishment” since he was a compromise candidate, and the selection was not personal (hence, no “accomplishments” were involved). Please do not say that being unknown and not part of any group is now listed as “accomplishments” to Leftists! That would make the uni-bomber our finest citizen.
There are 80 editors of the HLR at any time (so anyone who wants to participate is able to have a turn). Two sides were locked in a bitter battle and endless feud that was getting in the way of real work, so Obama agreed to serve as a “compromise” candidate (unknown to both sides). [He never wrote a single article for his entire term; he was just a "figure-head" who "won" something by doing nothing!] Obama was like a compromise mayor who is selected from two sets of feuding council members.
Being the first “black” in any position is both inevitable and common place. Your claim of an “astounding amount of press” is complete nonsense, which can easily be refuted by examining the LACK of press. If you think there was anything “astounding” about a black man being appointed to be the central character at an institution as LIBERAL as Harvard, as recently as 1996, the question should have been “what took them so long?” Blacks were popping up as “first black whatever” for decades; (and even centuries); the first black US Senator was a Republican gentleman in Mississippi in 1870; this was 126 years later!!!
FACT: BARACK AND MICHELLE OBAMA WERE NOT INTERVIEWED BY LE MONDE!! So, you argument that it was “natural” for them to be interested in him is NONSENSE (since it never happened!!). Can you understand that? It never happened! There was no newspaper interview! None! Nada! Zilch. [Would you argue that your mother deserved top prize for her pie – if there were no contest? Would you argue that your brother deserved to be selected as pitcher – if there were no team? YOU ARE SAYING THAT OBAMA DESERVED THE INTERVIEW – EXCEPT THERE WAS NO INTERVIEW!!] It would not matter if BO was the first black man on the moon since Le Monde NEVER SENT A REPORTER TO INTERVIEW HIM!! You are arguing that there were valid reasons to interview him because of the HLR thing, BUT THERE WAS NEVER AN INTERVIEW!
As to the “job offers;” do you have any idea how inane that sounds? Show me a Harvard Law School graduate who will turn down fabulous job offers to return to a city they only spent a short time in! Lawyers (especially those going into politics) are NEVER idealistic; they are pragmatic! They go where they can cut the best deal!
Your notion about the first black man to head the Harvard Law Review neglects the fact that this is 8 years after the fact. During the 70s and 80s the concept of “first black” was celebrated so often that it was losing its punch by 1996.
This so-called interview, that was “conveniently” never published, reeks of someone pulling a stupid trick on the French; in order to “humanize” our newest comic book character. [Sadly the person who wrote out this phony “interview” does not understand that putting in “bedroom scenes” only serves to mock the notion of a happy Obama marriage; the writer does not have the class to understand the notions of reverence and sanctity. They are so cynical that they prefer to cheapen that which is holy than to hold dear that which is sacred. The fact that some words are consistent does not indicate consistency; only a cheap mock-up. The fact that something is like something else does not prove that it is authentic; only that it might have been copied from a common source (like the Internet).
Posted by: stgeorgeschapel | January 11, 2009, 8:43 am 8:43 am
America will survive Obama. We’re a creative, determined, and entrepreneurial people who reject the caste system of Old Europe. However, America will not emerge unscathed. FDR exploited the opportunity of a financial crisis to create programs on which a large number of Americans are dependent today. This dependency has created a reliable flow of votes to the Democrat party. I suspect Obama’s legacy will be the same. Unfortunately, it will take us one or more steps closer to an Old Europe system which means a harder road for achieving the American dream.
Posted by: John Galt | January 11, 2009, 8:47 am 8:47 am
Wow. Quite a lot of ignorant, hateful people on this site. A lot of people who get their news from Fox and Rush. Sad that they get so riled up about people who are actually decent and honest. Could it have anything to do with race or just fear of socialism?
The Obamas have told this story many times. Made up? Why? What foolishness. But I won’t waste my time talking to people who have no hope or faith. People who are so fearful that they can’t stand others who actually live by the values that they themselves profess but don’t follow. People who can’t trust or see anyone as honest and concerned for their country because they vote for those who ARE dishonest. So of course they can’t trust anyone else.
Self hatred is an awful thing. Love is the answer.
Posted by: WR | January 11, 2009, 8:53 am 8:53 am
“I knew when I first laid eyes upon him that he would become President and spend a trillion dollars even before taking office. I also believed they would make gold coins with his picture upon them, because, well, he is just so extraordinary. Children would rightfully sing his praises, even before his dog had a chance to stain the carpet of the Lincoln Bedroom.”
Michelle Barack Barama
Posted by: johnsreport | January 11, 2009, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Nice article. And for all of you who just ‘hate’ for the sake of it, I’d like to say FANTASTIC !!!! We will have a POTUS with intelligence and style, with a wonderful wife and family ! What we’ve been thru for the past 8 years has been pure HELL. . .and without a doubt, it will be unfamiliar to many of you to actually have people in jobs who are QUALIFIED TO DO THEM !
It has been a nightmare. . .government should work FOR PEOPLE, not AGAINST them.. . .and the countdown to have the Bush-Cheney crime families out of DC, is on !!!! Actually, they should be arrested for crimes against Humanity, and for shredding the Constitution of the UNited States, and sent to Gitmo !!!!!
Posted by: BJ | January 11, 2009, 9:02 am 9:02 am
Obama speaks Indonesian. Bush speaks near-fluent Spanish.
Did Bush get any credit for being the first Spanish-speaking President in US history?
No. Instead we get adulations and adorement for an Indonesian speaking President.
Take a guess which language ability is more useful for a President of the United States of America?
Posted by: ericdondero | January 11, 2009, 9:12 am 9:12 am
Why would a US Citizen refuse to provide a certified copy of his/her Birth Certificate?
You and I have to present one in order to even get a Driver’s License.
Posted by: jesty | January 11, 2009, 9:15 am 9:15 am
Why do they keep removing my comments that I think Michelle Nobama is not attractive. They dress her up nicely and do a lot with makeup which makes her presentable but she kind of looks like a man. Just saying.
I think the article is a bit of fluff. I doubt seriously that these are the original words. There is a great deal you can do between the translations.
Nice article for the Obama homers!
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 9:15 am 9:15 am
I became an Obama supporter after reading his book, “Dreams From My Father.” The book brings out his incredible, consistent honesty.
I would usually side with the Republicans, but the Republican Party has lost touch – hijacked by the religious right, with its archaic myths straight from the zodiac, including Sarah Palin.
Obama is always consistent in his honesty and sincerity. Perhaps naive. Only naiveté can explain his appointment of Hillary Clinton as secretary of state; Hillary Clinton once fired for being a dishonest, unethical lawyer and a liar.
Posted by: Nzoia | January 11, 2009, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Looking at them now…there is an admiration and an intimacy that we see. Most people are not used to seeing a positive, intelligent, and accomplished African-American couple that were married BEFORE they had children. Perceptions through the media have made sure of that (except for the Cosby Show).
I don’t know if the article is authentic or not. I suspect it will be revealed whether this is true. But I will tell you what I see. When they are together, you can see that they love each other. They way they hold each other and smile. It IS authentic.
We have a new president and first family and we should pray for their success and protection for the good of our country and our world.
Posted by: Hayes | January 11, 2009, 9:27 am 9:27 am
Why are Nobama’s lips blue? Does anyone know. Did he quit smoking yet? My ten and eight year old daughters can’t understand why someone who is supposed to be so perfect and enlightened would set such a bad example for our children.
I am sure you lefties have some lame excuse that you will justify this. Just like you did the International embarrassment to the US caused by the Lewinsky affair. I doubt Nobama will be able to keep it in his pants very long. I hear he has a lot of cute male staffers. It is going to be very tempting for him.
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am
This ” article” is just another fabrication in the Obama machine.
Posted by: lj | January 11, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
A Puff Piece… Without documentation to prove that this interview actually took place and was not fabricated, it is highly suspect to be just that, Puleeze, years before he even ran for political office, WHY would a French paper interview a Mr. Obama and his wife???
Of course it feeds into the Baba Wawa mentality – just the pleasantries, never mind the facts.
Posted by: Harry Miller | January 11, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Why would a US Citizen refuse to provide a certified copy of his/her Birth Certificate?
You and I have to present one in order to even get a Driver’s License.
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@ John G, EXACTLY! So don’t you think for Obama to come as far as he has in politics and obtaining the highest office in the land…that he’s a freakin US citizen? To travel he has to have a passport….to have a passport you have to submit your birth certificate. Don’t you think that his origin, his ethics, his policies have already been vetted and verified? What is your point exactly?
Posted by: Throws Sunshine In Air | January 11, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Johnsreport:
When you say, “..decent and honest people”, I’m assuming you’re referring to the Obamas. …and you’re calling his naysayers ignorant? He’s the president of the most powerful country in the world – to think that one can retain those qualities on the path to that office is unbelievably naïve. That’s not a criticism or Obama (who rose through Chicago politics, I might add) or any other president, but a reality. I suspect you have gotten your information from all networks other than Fox, of whom are all the mouthpiece of the left.
Hate comes from both sides of the aisle and blogs like this are like two opposing groups demonstrating for an opposing position and yelling at each other from across the street. Kudos for the nice intentions, but if you want to step in and appear to take a moderate position, at least say something that leaves you with some credibility.
Posted by: Jeff Allen | January 11, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am
John G,
If you had taken any time to find out about Barack Obama — listened to what he has to say, read his books, read his platform — you would know he is a centrist. I would concede that he is a slightly-to-the-left centrist; however, he is also a pragmatist, so he will stay in the centre.
His once-in-our-lifetime leadership skills, winning personality and distaste for partisan bickering gives him the best chance of any president in our lifetime to actually make a difference.
Posted by: Nzoia | January 11, 2009, 9:35 am 9:35 am
For TSIA:
Just like a Lefty, didn’t answer the question, just attacked Bush and his children. Aren’t children and other family off limits.
Like if I was to say how ugly Michelle Obama (looks like a man) and the youngest daughter (looks like a linebacker) are, would there be outrage. The oldest daughter is not bad looking, looks like she could become a model unless she transforms to look more like her mom.
Now whould there be outrage about all of that?
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am
What you liberals have to understand is that having
a different political philosophy than yours does not
make one a criminal. There’s not one shred of any
evidence to prove that the Bush Administration did
anything to step on our rights or shred the constit-
tution. President Bush did what he had to do to pro
tect this country and the only ones who have to fear
are the ones who want to do damage to ths country.
Aside from the usual liberal and media talking points
where’s the proof of Bush’s wrongdoing? If the Dems
or the media had anything at all they would have had his head, and everyone knows it. Obama is
an elitest who will step on anyone to get what he
wants….watch and see.
Posted by: John | January 11, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Nzoia:
I hear what you are saying and I did review his platform. My problem was that it does not match what he has done in the past (which is very little) and where it is consistent I mostly disagree.
Like I said earlier, a 1 term President. He won’t be judged fairly, the press will make sure of that, but the halo will be gone very soon. Look at how many of his campaign promises he has backed out of (that will have to wait) and he hasn’t even take office yet. Please…
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am
lucy 2008,
Before lecturing someone on misspelled words, you should look up how to spell misspelled. Just sayin’…
Posted by: Sue | January 11, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am
It is constantly a shock to see how many really unintelligent people there are in this country. Unless these idiots are millionaires, they had better pray that Obama is 100 percent smarter than George W and that he brings all of his smarts to getting us out of that ditch Bush-Cheney drove us into.
This 1996 interview shows the Obamas to be consistent in their public statements about their values that we have heard throughout the 2008 campaig
All the whining about Obama and not a word about that Republican disaster that is the Bush Administration and that incompetent corrupt group bringing this country to its knees. The inability to be truthful about the problem this country now faces supports the idea that these naysayer whiners could care less about this country and only about their empty bankrupt political egos. One now understands why these people supported Bush -Cheney..they are members of the same same know-nothing unaccomplished self-serving do-nothing group!
Posted by: anghiari | January 11, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Like I said earlier, a 1 term President. He won’t be judged fairly, the press will make sure of that, but the halo will be gone very soon. Look at how many of his campaign promises he has backed out of (that will have to wait) and he hasn’t even take office yet. Please…
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Obviously you have no idea of the damage that Bush has done to this country in 8 years. Bush and his people have pushed this country into the worst financial crisis since the depression. He’s runned this country into the ground (surprise surprise). Obama has to clean up bush’s mess before he can accomplish his own campaign promises.
Just like a Lefty, didn’t answer the question, just attacked Bush and his children. Aren’t children and other family off limits.
Like if I was to say how ugly Michelle Obama (looks like a man) and the youngest daughter (looks like a linebacker) are, would there be outrage. The oldest daughter is not bad looking, looks like she could become a model unless she transforms to look more like her mom.
Now whould there be outrage about all of that?
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You are correct…family and children are off limits. However, the difference between your comments and mine is that I only stated the facts. It’s been documented that the bush girls have gone out drinking acted a fool. It’s been on front pages. Now I personally don’t think Michelle Obama is gorgeous…but I’m not sleeping with her. I do think that she is a highly intelligent woman who takes motherhood and family very seriously. As far as your comments attacking the Obama children that’s just you being a hateful repug with nothing intelligent to say…as usual.
There’s not one shred of any
evidence to prove that the Bush Administration did
anything to step on our rights or shred the constit-
tution. President Bush did what he had to do to pro
tect this country and the only ones who have to fear
are the ones who want to do damage to ths country
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Ohh…ok then you must not be one of those people who are getting laid off and your house foreclosed on. Bush protected his interest. Bush failed to protect americans from this financial crisis. He failed to tell us the truth about his true intensions in Iraq. Saddaam Hussein (sp?) had not a damn thing to do with 9/11. Al Queda is stronger than ever. Osama is still on the lose. What ever happened to the hunt for Osama? Chaney has his pipelines set so he and his family will always be rich. Bush was about big business and providing tax breaks to these corporations that did nothing for the american people.
“Obama is an elitist, he is a socialist, he is a marxist”….come on..you really want to say “he’s black”.
*whispers in all the haters ears* “Your new president for the next 8 years is a black man….get over it”
Posted by: Throws Sunshine In Air | January 11, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am
For Anghiari (angry):
Why are people unintelligent if they disagree with you. I would bet that Bush and Cheney both are more educated and have higher IQs than 99% of you lefty homers. Most of you are fakes that just hate your lives so you jump on this bandwagon. If you really gave a crap about this county you would be outraged at what the folks around the world are trying to do to us. Thank God Bush has kept us safe and taken the war to them instead of fighting it here. The only folks that have anything to worry about are the ones trying to hide something. Viva la Bush!
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am
I think TSIA is Michelle Obama. Sure fits the angry Black woman role.
Obama is my brother, he is white you know.
Does he get job prefereence by claiming only his black lineage? Why doesn’t he revel in his whiteness?
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Bush did get credit for speaking Spanish and for attracting an unprecedentedly high level of Latino voters for a GOP presidential candidate. Unfortunately, his party undermined all that he achieved by its angry rejection of his immigration reform package and by turning immigration and homeland security issues into a license to villainize Latinos in the U.S.
Posted by: word2thewyz | January 11, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am
I think TSIA is Michelle Obama. Sure fits the angry Black woman role.
Obama is my brother, he is white you know.
Does he get job prefereence by claiming only his black lineage? Why doesn’t he revel in his whiteness?
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you think I fit the angry black woman role? Hmmm very very amusing. Do tell…what are the characteristics of an angry black woman? Michelle is highly intelligent with the degrees to back it up, she’s a nuturing mother who puts her family first. If that is the characteristic of being an angry black woman….well then we should all be angry black women.
And obama always reveals both sides of him. lol he was raised by his mother’s family. In his book he talks about his mother’s family. He suspended his campaign for a few days to visit with his ailing white grandmother…
He never hides who he is…and acknowledges both. Where are you getting your information from?
Posted by: Throws Sunshine In Air | January 11, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Set aside your political bias for a moment and think (I know it’s very hard for some of you).
Obama wants a $775B stimulus, and this will supposedly (and hopefully, but no guarantee) create 3.5 million jobs over the next 2 years. Well, if you do the math, if you just gave the money equally to 3.5 million people over 2 years, that would be over $110,000 per person per year. Ya think that will “create” 3.5 million jobs? If they did absolutely nothing, they would be well paid, indeed.
Then what happens after 2 years? Another $775B dollars to keep that 3.5 million employed? If you don’t think more debt is a problem, think for a moment what happens when 90% of every tax dollar the government collects goes to service the interest on the debt. We are spending ourselves into financial oblivion. That’s the future we have to look forward to as a nation.
Good luck all you bailout and spend-us-out-of-this-crisis people. That is the future you will create for all Americans. Looks like the end of capitalism and the beginning of ________. You can fill in the blank (socialism, communism, etc.), but that is the “change” you can believe in.
Someone in government (and the Press) obviously needs a beginners course in Economics 101. It’s unfathomable how we can go on in this direction, unless it is part of a planned economic failure to dissolve America as we know it.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!
Posted by: Just Think.... | January 11, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am
How revealing is our response to this article.
From extreme right (How dare the Obamas claim to to have a successful marriage!Liars!) to the extreme left (Aha! We always knew Obamas have love and respect for each other)
Across the spectrum, Americans REALLY value a good marriage.
Posted by: karen | January 11, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am
I just LOVE them dearly.
And how beautiful to see one more time that they really are consistent in what they say.
Thanks God that Barack won the Presidency. They both will do a lot of good not only to America but to the world at large.
Posted by: TruthWins | January 11, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am
I feel sad for America today.
Barack Obama and all of the good will in the world are not going to make America a better place.
It would (should) be Americans who would (can) make America a better place. Only, we (speaking in general terms is not appropriately argumentative, I concede, but for the sake of the seemingly single-digit IQs perpetrating themselves as presenters of valid opinions, herein, I will allow myself this incongruity of style) have devolved into a society of name-calling, self-entitled, union ideologues =, and uneducable sheep who have coming down the pike a national debt so insurmountable as to be ruinous for just about everyone alive today (there are still some insular wealthy in this country) and even those yet unborn.
From where do you think all of this ‘stimulus money’ originates, out of thin air? Wake-up. It’s YOUR tax dollars! In fact, it’s tax dollars on income you haven’t even earned yet!
That most of you are still ‘discussing’ Michelle Obama’s physical appearance, Barack’s oh-so-horrible smoking habit, or which president is fluent in which language only serves to prove my posit: you (we) are going to get what you (we) deserve: a future of indebtedness, a continuing decline in civility and, very likely, the disappearance of the last vestiges of any hope for a better tomorrow. In short, you (we) suck at being team players.
People, the “Change We Can Believe In” (again, more bad grammar) is SUPPOSED to be US (not ‘U.S.’), the American people. No one man, Democrat, Republican, black, white, Harvard-educated or otherwise is going to be able to reverse the trend of the past 40+ years (yes, ‘it’, the decline of Western Civilization, started with OUR government frivolously wasting OUR treasure with imperialistic forays into Southeast Asia).
America, the onus is on US (not U.S.) to come together to do whatever it takes to _fix_ America. Responsibility starts at home. There is NO SUCH THING as a free ride. Your government is not supposed to support you, it is supposed to protect you, so that you can support yourself.
Go on, keep drinking the Kool-Aid, Democrat, Republican, or otherwise. The bottom line is this: Wake up every morning and do what is right and just with the intent of laying down your head down every night with some earned self-respect.
Good luck, America!
Posted by: G | January 11, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
I just LOVE them dearly.
And how beautiful to see one more time that they really are consistent in what they say.
Thanks God that Barack won the Presidency. They both will do a lot of good not only to America but to the world at large.
Posted by: TruthWinsReally | January 11, 2009, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Nothing in this article surprises me, as I’ve been following the Obama’s (via books, news articles, etc.) for quite some time. Any skeptics should at least take the time to read his books or even one of the many biographies about his life (or Michelle’s) that are out there. This is nothing new or spectacular. The themes he speaks about in this interview are the same themes he’s spoken out about over the course of his entire life, at least from the college level onward. I mean jeez, people. I thought I was pretty cynical about politics but some of you guys are just completely jaded. Call me naive but I sincerely love this country and would like to see Obama succeed. I wish more Americans felt the same way.
Posted by: Hmmm_Interesting | January 11, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
I guess anyone not celebrating the phony (whose grandiose visions of his “father” — the one he saw about 4 TIMES while growing up) — only prove the theory that neglected children often create the illusion that the offending parent “really does love me” in order to protect themselves from the reality that that parent is a worthless piece of garbage!! barack seems to have convinced himself of exactly this in the “exalting” of his “father”.
Barack’s care maintenance of that illusion is hand-in-glove with his insistence that we believe the illusion that he’s now trying to feed us — that he’s some sort of “special” being who will “save us”….We don’t need to be “saved” from anything other than barack’s delusions, and that will take divine intervention to remedy!!
Posted by: chisco | January 11, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Did they talk about their hate mongering preacher and how they would take their children to a church that practices hatred for the the USA.
Posted by: susan | January 11, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
I just LOVE them dearly.
And how beautiful to see one more time that they really are consistent in what they say.
Thanks God that Barack won the Presidency. They both will do a lot of good not only to America but to the world at large.
Posted by: TruthWinsReally | January 11, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Nice article. Nothing too new. As an American, I truly hope he succeeds, I am more than willing to back him. However one thing is always missing when he talks about inner city kids, and that is personal responsibility. No one should be having babies without an education and a job. Period.
Posted by: Jenny | January 11, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
“Why doesn’t he revel in his whiteness?”
could it be because when he looks in the mirror he sees a black man?
Posted by: mrsK | January 11, 2009, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
I Love this couple….they have a beautiful family. They are not perfect but they are real and doing their best to have a good life, and to make contribute positively to our great country.
For the haters: get over it and get a decent life of your own.
Posted by: Independent | January 11, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Does it strike anyone as odd or coincidental that the Obamas are interviewed in a major world newspaper before he ever took public office? The connections this guy must have! And exactly how long has he been running for President?
Posted by: Bob | January 11, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
For all the whining on here regarding the Obama’s I say to you “Nanananana there is nothing you can do now! Lie, distort and rant and it will do no good!”
Your President is Barack H. Obama and will be for the next 4 years…you can say that no he isn’t YOUR President, while intelligent people will try to disassociate with you based on your lunacy, but he is. Nothing you can do about it now….and if he is able to carry through and help this country? He will gain another 4 years.
George Bush had this country for 8 years and for 6 of them he had a majority in the House and Senate. He inherited a country that had NO DEBT, thanks Bill Clinton, and now look at us! and you want to whine about Obama???? Tell me…do you ever deal in reality?
Posted by: Brian | January 11, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
“Never-Before-Seen”…just like his birth certificate.
Posted by: chico | January 11, 2009, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
[Catherine T: as a fluent French and English speaker, I stand by my assertion that "fabricate a family" is CLEARLY a sloppy translation of the phrase "fabriquer une famille" used in the original French article. A more correct word, in this context, would have been "make." If you want to smear Obama's character, knock yourself out. But do not smear my translation :)]
Thanks for the suggestion ;-); but think you protest too much here. No where, did I ‘smear’ Obama’s character; at least, I do give him fair measure of ‘benefit of the doubt’ as to his motivations; and would suggest again, given your analytical language proclivities and talents, that you go here and read the linquistic analysis done per Obama’s ‘Dreams From My Father’. As to the translation ‘fabricate’ it is a judgment call; and perhaps in Obama’s case; a ‘Freudian call’ on behalf of Obama and/or perhaps the Translator himself (and as well).
WhatEVER the case; am betting that Obama himself, used the word ‘fabricate’.
The ‘gist’ of what begins here:
[Fortunately, five different sets of researchers have taken the challenge to test the hypothesis that Ayers was heavily involved in the writing of "Dreams." And although there are admitted limits to this emerging science, the consensus among these researchers is noteworthy.
I am aware of a fifth stylometric analysis, soon to be released, this one from a British scholar of international repute, but here are some quick summaries from the first four. The authors' contact information could be made available on deep background for serious news sources.
"Using the chi-square statistic," observes one professor, "Obama's and Ayers's books were indistinguishable, while Obama's book was easily distinguishable from books by other authors." ] and more to the analysis at link. . .
Posted by: Catherine T. | January 11, 2009, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Posted by: Brian | Jan 11, 2009 1:13:17 PM
Hate to burst the little bit of bubble you have,..but,..Barry’s administration is the most corrupt EVER and he’s not even sworn in yet!..lol…NOTHING good will come from this man, when you have more lies then truths on your foundation, it’s going to be a shaky ride. Wait and see. Barry has to many people to pay back for his election win to worry about America, EVERY chance he’s had to work for the “good” of Americans he’s turned his back on, he’s not going to stop now, but then I’m sure the media (as they have said they would) will try and make Americans think other wise. The first person who paid his way, that he ticks off will “anonymously” release his birth certificate then what?
Posted by: Chico | January 11, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
John Sawyer: You said “I suggest you do real research first before you comment on them. Research doesn’t involve reading only websites that support your views. And remember politics is not a sports contest (not if it’s done right), so you don’t have to automatically side with “your side”. You might even want to register as an independent, and watch what happens to your mindset, if you have what it takes to run the risk of becoming “different” from the group you currently side with..”
You have no idea where Republicans get their information, but you list where Dems get their information and then ASSUME that is how Republicans also get their information. However, you are incorrect.
I have NEVER seen a Democrat register as an Independent or do actual research! I do see them read hateful blogs and then repeat them. I have seen them repeat lies about Sarah Palin while denying the truth about Obama.
Example of Democrat lies: “Palin is so stupid; she can see Russia from her house and thinks that’s foreign policy.”
TRUTH: THAT WAS A LINE MADE UP BY TINA FEY yet the Democrats repeat it over and over again and SAY that Sarah said it.
Example of an Obama quote that Democrats refuse to address: “I think we’ve visited all 57 States (or maybe we have one or two to go).”
TRUTH: THIS OBAMA QUOTE IS DENIED OR EXCUSED BY DEMOCRAT POSTERS.
Example of Democrat lies: “Palin is unqualified; she has no experience.”
TRUTH: PALIN HAS HER YEARS AS MAYOR AND GOVERNOR THAT COUNT TOWARD EXECUTIVE EXPERIENCE SINCE THOSE ARE EXECUTIVE POSITIONS.
Example of Democrat lies: “Obama is far more experienced than Palin.”
TRUTH: OBAMA HAS NOT SERVED ONE DAY IN AN EXECUTIVE POSITION AND ALMOST NONE IN LEGISLATIVE (WHICH GIVES ZERO TO TH PRESIDENCY). WHEN HE WAS IN THE STATE LEGISLATURE, HE VOTED “PRESENT” 137 TIMES. WHEN HE WAS IN THE US SENATE, HE DID NOT WRITE A SINGLE PIECE OF LEGISLATION. Therefore, Obama has zero executive experience and almost no legislative experience since he rarely attended either legislative position and he has never had a day of executive experience.
Example of Democrat disconnect from truth: Obama said “Sarah Palin is a little bit new to the scene.
TRUTH: Obama was first sworn into public office in January of 1997. Palin was first sworn into public office in 1992. THAT MEANS THAT SHE HAS BEEN “IN THE SCENE” FOR 5 YEARS LONGER THAN OBAMA! (Does he know how to do basic math?)
Example of Democrat lies: “Palin can’t even open her mouth without a teleprompter.”
TRUTH: The ONLY time that Palin used a teleprompter was at the Convention (when everyone else does) and when hers broke she was able to follow her speech without it. However, Obama used his teleprompter often (not just at the convention which is normal for obvious reasons) but even at a RODEO in Grand Junction, Colorado. He been fluffing his lines for a week and his handlers insisted on him using them, even at a RODEO, but WHY did they transfer his “usage” over to Sarah? What was the point of that, if it wasn’t to be cruel beyond words? [Examples: If your kid wets the bed and uses a diaper, is it FAIR to make up a story to the world that IT’S HIS BEST FRIEND WHO USES THE DIAPER??? If YOU are a bad money manager and have to borrow from your parents, is it HONEST to make up a story to the world that it’s your BROTHER who has to borrow? If your wife insists on a BOTOX injection, is it HONEST to make up a story about YOUR BOSS’S WIFE using BOTOX? THAT’S WHAT THE DEMOCRATS DID TO PALIN! Obama was hauling that contraption all over the country for HIS usage, yet the Dems were posting THOUSANDS OF POSTS saying that Palin was using it! PALIN USED IT ONE TIME (BUT IT BROKE); OBAMA DEPENDED ON IT COUNTLESS TIMES ACROSS THE COUNTRY. It is just plain MEAN AND LIES TO SAY THAT SHE CAN’T SPEAK WITHOUT IT. (Most pols HATE THEM, but Obama seems to depend on his!) The question remains, WHY did the Obama handlers transfer his usage to her? We all know (we saw the pictures) that it was Obama who depended on teleprompters? WHY did they tell their legions to keep repeating the lies about Palin using a teleprompter when it was clear that she NEVER used them, while Obama was relying on them?
Example of Democrat lies: Biden said, “When the stock market crashed, Roosevelt went on TV and told the people exactly what was going on.”
TRUTH: When the stock market crashed, Hoover was president, not Roosevelt, and there were no TVs in the homes of Americans. This was a patently RIDICULOUS LIE all the way around, yet the Democrats ignore Biden’s stupidity (or ignorance).
Example of Barack Obama not knowing about America (he was not raised here): When Obama was talking about sending out tax bills, he put his hand over his chest (like having a heart attack) and said, “I’m comin’ Weezie.” HOW COULD A BLACK MAN, WITH A WIFE AND CHILDREN, WHO LIVES IN CHICAGO, MIX UP LOUISE JEFFERSON AND ELIZABETH SANFORD? Good grief, the Jeffersons were set in Chicago. My blue-eyed nieces and nephews don’t get them confused; how can BO?
Examples of Democrat ignorance. When asked about the state of Kentucky, OBAMA SAID THAT KENTUCY WAS CLOSER TO ARKANSAS THAN ILLINOIS!!!
TRUTH: How could Obama not know that Kentucky BORDERS Illinois? He was in the State legislature, for Pete’s sake! How could he not know which states border his? Oh, that’s right, he voted “present” 137 times, so he didn’t exactly knock himself out studying bills, did he? Oh, that’s right, he was running for president back then, wasn’t he; so why bother learning your job when it’s the job two steps up that you want.
Posted by: stgeorgeschapel | January 11, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
BOB: BARACK AND MICHELLE OBAMA WERE NOT INTERVIEWED BY LE MONDE!!!!
Why can you not figure this out! It has been explained MANY TIMES!
This “interview” CAME OVER THE TRANSOM AND LE MONDE PUBLISHED IT.
IT WAS NEVER PUBLISHED IN 1996.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME EVER SEEN.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN YESTERDAY!!!!
Please, do not discount the obvious; do not look for conspiracy. REALITY IS BAD ENOUGH!!
He has got people (LIKE YOU) believing that he said this is 1996!!!
Do you not understand that this is “most probably” part of his post campaign huggy–kissy campaign to make folks believe he is not cold as ice and calculating as heck and that she is not six-feet of BATTLE-AXE!!!
Posted by: stgeorgeschapel | January 11, 2009, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Thank you stgeorgeschapel for the clarification. And you are correct, this 12 year old interview was just reprinted in Le Monde. This whole story is much more mundane that I originally thought. My apologies for any confusion my previous comment may have caused.
Posted by: Bob | January 11, 2009, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
[To Steve (and all) re response/Catherine T.] . . .once again, I ‘failed’ the link per the following excerpt:
“. . .Fortunately, five different sets of researchers have taken the challenge to test the hypothesis that Ayers was heavily involved in the writing of “Dreams.” And although there are admitted limits to this emerging science, the consensus among these researchers is noteworthy.
I am aware of a fifth stylometric analysis, soon to be released, this one from a British scholar of international repute, but here are some quick summaries from the first four. The authors’ contact information could be made available on deep background for serious news sources.
“Using the chi-square statistic,” observes one professor, “Obama’s and Ayers’s books were indistinguishable, while Obama’s book was easily distinguishable from books by other authors.”
Fortunately, five different sets of researchers have taken the challenge to test the hypothesis that Ayers was heavily involved in the writing of “Dreams.” And although there are admitted limits to this emerging science, the consensus among these researchers is noteworthy.
I am aware of a fifth stylometric analysis, soon to be released, this one from a British scholar of international repute, but here are some quick summaries from the first four. The authors’ contact information could be made available on deep background for serious news sources.
“Using the chi-square statistic,” observes one professor, “Obama’s and Ayers’s books were indistinguishable, while Obama’s book was easily distinguishable from books by other authors.” (cont.)
Posted by: Catherine T. | January 11, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
“Nice article. Nothing too new. As an American, I truly hope he succeeds, I am more than willing to back him. However one thing is always missing when he talks about inner city kids, and that is personal responsibility. No one should be having babies without an education and a job. Period.”
The above is an example of even the most benign comments injecting an untruth into the mix and that is that BO has not talked about personal responsibility – when in fact he has numerous times and his whole life is an example of personal responsibiliy. Why is this? Simply because people have deep seated psychological biases that don’t allow them to see things unless it’s through the spectrum of race. Fear of others is such a huge unconscious motivator that it actually creates a psuedo reality – I bet the person that wrote the above really believes that Obama does not respresent personal responsibility in any way and even if he or she were given millions of pieces of evidence to back it up they would still find a way to make it not real to them because what is most important to to continue to hold on to those biases because doing so creates differentiation and allows people a sense of safety in that “they” are different so “they” are bad or deserve the worst. Par for the course.
Posted by: AleNice article. Nothing too new. | January 11, 2009, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
As a foreigner reading the comments posted here, I just couldn’t understand the hate that persist against the Obamas. It gives me a very negative picture of America.
Posted by: maxd | January 11, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
In my book Obama is a constitutional scholar. That alone should get us to the right track. The real problem is that it may take more than he can deliver to sort out the financial mess. After all he promises more money. Any comments on what money is? Ussualy represents the exchange value of production and without intrinsic value money is nothing but a promise which has to be accepted on trust. Any takers?
Posted by: Titus | January 11, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Unfortunately, there are a lot of ugly Americans and it isn’t fun living amongst them, let me tell you. Luckily, they are the minority in this country. Over half of Americans do not think like them. Just as Germany carries the shame of the The Third Reich, America carries the shame of George W. Bush and the Republicans who put him in power and are complicit with his crimes against humanity. Please do not judge all Americans because of these despicable excuses for humanity.
Posted by: Madlyb | January 11, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
It’s so easy to forget that people in public life are so human. That if you met these people in real life, on mutual ground, how different they really are compare to how we conceive them. I didn’t vote for Obama and it’s easy for me to say grr he sucks but would I do that to his face? No.
Maybe I’m just naive but I’ve never met some one I truly hate however much I disliked them. People are people.
Posted by: Mason | January 11, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
Stgeorgeschapel:
“The Jeffersons” were set in Manhattan, as a spinoff of “All in the Family” where George and Louise were originally Queens neighbors of Archie and Edith Bunker. So, you are the one that is confused.
Also, Both George Jefferson and Fred Sanford had sons named Lionel. Perhaps the President Elect is simply not great at impressions of other characters? George Jefferson would certainly have been hit with high taxes, being that he was a successful businessman who had personal responsibility and afforded a better life, employed many others, and even took less-fortunate folks under his wing and gave them a chance to work.
Story in point: the case of Marcus Garvey Henderson:
“Marcus Garvey Henderson (Ernest Harden Jr.) is George’s employee at Jefferson Cleaners. Marcus appears in the 1977-78 season (during the fourth season), and apparently, Marcus grew up in a rough neighborhood. Louise hired him to work at George’s store, but on the very first day on the job, he stole an expensive jacket. Bentley told Louise about the incident, and she and George confronted him. He admitted he stole it, but lashed out at the two about him never receiving a proper life. George retaliates by telling him he is a lucky guy to have a job, and that should he pursue a life as a swindler and altogether a ghetto person, he would end up in jail or the graveyard. Marcus then proceeds to become a better person.
When Marcus confesses his father died at a young age, Louise insists George on taking Marcus to a camp-out to give him a good, father-and-son relationship. Marcus tells George the bad times he had, and George admits his father died when he was ten years old. Marcus breaks down into tears, but both of them deservingly have a good time together. Marcus’s final appearance was in the season 6 episode “Joltin’ George”.
So, let’s not rip on someone until your facts are straight.
BTW, I voted for the other guy, but will pull in rank behind my commander in chief.
Posted by: The Taisho | January 11, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
looks like a good start for a young couple. if i had read this article before the election i may have voted for him.
Posted by: r netteland | January 11, 2009, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
I am very excited to have this intelligent, well-educated, patriotic couple in the White House. I have heard that Mr. Obama’s IQ is extememly high, and I am sure Mrs. Obama’s is also. It will also be sweet to see their children playing on the lawn with their new puppy. I am sure that he has exception advisors who are every bit as intelligent as he is, and together, there will be wonderful new policies that will benefit every American. It is so uplifting and heart-warming to hear the lovely compliments from my fellow Americans who are proud to support our President Elect.
Posted by: thoughtfulvoter | January 11, 2009, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Wow. Get a life, people. Is it so hard to believe that two people can be intelligent, reflective, and truly love each other?
To the rest of the world: Even many Americans who voted McCain actually do respect Obama and his historic presidency — his positive ratings are off the chart.
Posted by: lauren | January 11, 2009, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
I am shocked and completely weirded out by the posts on this blog. Perhaps it is my naivete, but this man has not even taken office yet and people are expecting the world to come apart at the seams. Honestly, this was just an article about marriage. Go post your economic stimulus garb on an economic post.
We get one shot on the blue marble and kudos to anyone, including Bush, who thinks they can do whatever they can to make it better. For the record, I voted for Obama and despise Bush policies.
Not one of the people on the posts here could do better and I am certain you could do worse.
I wish people laughed more and were more thoughtful about the people around them, and considered that at the end of every day, we are just people, that is it, fallible and goofy.
Posted by: Melinda | January 11, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
yeah, yeah, whatever…
Everyone in the media is in total love with him. Everything, anything he does is news however ordinary the event may be. The press is just ga-ga over him and her for that matter.
But one day, one day the pendulum will swing the other way. And the pendulum always swings the other way. When that day comes everyone will see the emperor has no clothes; he is human, has short comings, can be blind sided, tells lies, becomes confused at times, forgets.
What will the fawning press have to report then?
Let me guess.
The press will say they were deluded, misled, believed the “story,” believed the hype,forgot to question, to do background research, etc., etc. Oh, yes, and the press will say it was lied to. Of course. How can the press be in error.
Each day that passes we get another day closer to that point.
Posted by: a bystander | January 11, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
this was posted by Brian… “George Bush had this country for 8 years and for 6 of them he had a majority in the House and Senate. He inherited a country that had NO DEBT, thanks Bill Clinton, and now look at us! and you want to whine about Obama????
Ok, well many of us who believe in fiscal conservatism are really not happy with the Bush record here. It is true that the national debt which was around 6 trillion if I am not mistaken has almost doubled to around 11 trillion.
Bush did not govern as a fiscal conservative and, in fact, never vetoed any of the bloated budgets that were sent to him.
Having said that,I am always amazed when I hear these democrat supporters parrot the line that America had NO DEBT under Clinton.
People repeat this nonsense because they hear someone on the news saying that Clinton balanced the budget and they don’t understand the difference between the budget(yearly) DEFICIT and the national DEBT.
Well, Brian,it is sad to routinely run into this level of ignorance but I have heard it so often that I will take to time to explain it to you and anyone else who might read this.
The balanced budgets that Clinton had were indeed a good thing (and they happened after 1994 with a Republican congress) but that has nothing to do with the national DEBT.
It simply means that for a couple of years the government took in more money (that particular year) than it spent.
The national DEBT has never been even remotely close to being zero. Like I said before, I believe it was around 6 trillion when Bush took office.
The DEBT is the sum total of all the money that the government owes.
I has run up into an astronomical amount largely as a result of entitlement spending which continues to grow. These entitlement programs were mostly created during the 40 years of democrat control of Congress.
So PLEASE stop saying that the country was debt free under Clinton and you will be much closer to “dealing in reality”.
Posted by: reality bites | January 11, 2009, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Obviously in the previous post It was supposed to read ” It has” not “I has” lol
Posted by: reality bites | January 11, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
Abc is following the typical liberal bias censorship – you cant even copy the liberal vitriol with a change of bush name to obama and get them to leave in posted.
in other works, the liberals will not allow LIBERAL VITRIOL AND HATE to be regurgitated against obama – is this abc admitting the LIBERAL VITRIOL AND HATE is juvenile and not reasonable to use, especially about their god – obama
I especially luv the liberals defending the corrupt obama radical
Posted by: Jack Kennedy | January 11, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
I see the great obama is calling for me to suffer because a lot of citizens voted him in office – this is his great idea for fixing the country – not very good start for the liberals president.
I am not paying for the liberals bad choice of president – suffering for the welfare queens, global warming fraud, nanny state, gun control, censorship doctrine, impeach bush and on and on and on.
I am not giving or suffering for the fool’s coming grab at power
LIBERALS – KEEP UP THE DEFENSE OF YOUR RADICAL PREZ ELECT.
Posted by: Real American | January 11, 2009, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
thoughtfulvoter said – I am very excited to have this intelligent, well-educated, patriotic couple in the White House. I have heard that Mr. Obama’s IQ is extememly high, and I am sure Mrs. Obama’s is also. It is so uplifting and heart-warming to hear the lovely compliments from my fellow Americans who are proud to support our President Elect.
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
GOOD THOUGHTS SHEEPLE – RADICAL PREZ ELECT IS GOING TO NEED ALL THESE KINDS OF SHEEP HE CAN GET
Posted by: ANDY & BARNEY | January 11, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Who was writing the book? How were the Obamas selected for the book? How did Le Monde get a copy of the interview?
Jake- are you sure it took the Obama camp by surprise?
Posted by: MayBee | January 11, 2009, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
>”He liked my dry humor and my >sarcastic comments”…
Great, now we got a first lady with real “class” – she thinks sarcastic comments are uptown.
She’s going to be real “gracious” as a first lady (gag me with a spoon!)!
Posted by: Yewbee | January 11, 2009, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
They Pull at your Heart Strings before pulling on your Purse Strings !
Even Lovely People can be Crooks !
Posted by: Doug Rose | January 11, 2009, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
The only honeymoon that counts is about to begin. And, as in any marriage, when money goes out the door…
Posted by: GJ Tryon | January 11, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
From a wholly non-political nature, sounds like these are very nice people and very much in love.
Why I differ from the fanatics is, why is Le Monde interviewing a junior senator from Illinois? Seriously, what did Obama do to warrant Frances largest newspaper interviewing him about his private life?
And then how do you get from this point in 1996 to determining 8 years later that the Free World cannot live without your guidance? He still hadn’t really accomplished anything but charming people in the media and getting elected in a blue state. At what point do we separate the popularity and celebrity worship but actual ideas, accomplishments, records or reality?
Not like it matters anymore since the next four years at least are going to be more Le Monde-esque stories about how incredible the Obamas are compared to every human being who has ever lived before them. (When they call Michelle a fashion icon, you know it’s the KoolAid talking).
Enjoy your Bamelot liberals. But all the worlds problems are your fault now because we had to take the blame for everything in the last 8 years.
Bush has done more than any President in history to assist his successor whether anybody on the other side ever notices or appreciates it or not. Obama has been either voting for, signing off on or directly instigating every major economic idea in the last 12 months so there is no ‘Bush’ economic after next week. It will be the Pelosi/Reid/Obama economy so get ready to be treated like a Republican.
Posted by: bpjam | January 11, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
I voted for McCain in this past election and Reagan, Bush41, Clinton and Bush43 before that. However, you right wingnuts need to get a grip.
This article was written 12 years ago, before anyone knew who he or Michelle were. I actually find the guy engaging and hope he does a helluva job because we ALL need him to.
Posted by: DHall | January 11, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Just one other thought, why is America wonderful if it elects a liberal or a guy who is half-black but America was horrible and filled with fascists when it voted from a guy from Texas?
Obama is going to continue 90% of Bush policies simply because they were the right thing to do. But suddenly they can become ‘brilliant ideas’ instead of the policy of ‘American Nazis’ as some have posted here.
Remember kids, the first one to use a Nazi analogy loses. So, sorry losers. You won an election (again, congrats) but you’ve yet to create an intellectual change in America. And the media outlets you need to survive area all dying off. George Soros will be paying for everything else you have left.
Hope you guys don’t have to disagree with him on anything or you are screwed!
Posted by: bpjam | January 11, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
I voted for McCain. I defend GWBush. I am a conservative Republican.
I watch Fox TV channel. I listen to Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, Michael Savage, Laura Ingraham, Mark Levine. My favorites on TV are Brit Hume, Chris Wallace, Barnes, Charles Krauthammer, Ann Coulter, Tammy Bruce.
As you can see, I am a conservative through and through. I was probably one of the last to ditch Richard Nixon.
But I find this interview of Barack and Michelle 12 years ago very fascinating. I hope Barack turns out to be the public image we are getting about him. This reassures me more that perhaps we, the American People are getting what we truly deserve.
And its about time. For we are a great nation!
Posted by: Angelicus | January 11, 2009, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Le nauseating… Le boring…. Le idiotic…. LE PHONY.
Posted by: BlofeldBuildings | January 11, 2009, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Clearing things up for bpjam:
- Liberals and progressives don’t think America is “more” wonderful now that Obama is in office. We are just certain that Obama is going to do a better job than GWB did. And how could Obama not? Even Bush Sr. did a better than GWB!
- Obama is going to continue Bush’s policies that worked, and stop the ones that didn’t. Even if your count of 90% is accurate – those 10% of other Bush policies have bankrupted our nation, damaged our educational system, skyrocketed medicare costs for no reason, and on and on and on.
- I see your “George Soros”, and I raise you “Roger Ailes” and “Richard Mellon Scaife”.
Intellectual change for America requires everyone to participate. That includes you.
Posted by: jim | January 11, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
I would LOOOOOVE to see this interview, and not just read the transcript. I find it EXCEEDINGLY hard to believe that the interview sounded this way when every other word out of his mouth – when not on teleprompter – is “uh” or “well.” It’s like listening to Caroline Kennedy say “you know” ten thousand times. They always clean up her speech in transcripts, too.
Posted by: Samantha K | January 11, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
It never ceases to amaze me how hate filled,self centered, greedy and paranoid the right wing has become. Only they know the answers. Everyone else is at best lying, stupid, lazy, or corrupt.
No matter what they say, they wish the new president nothing but ill will. They are desparate for him to fail.
Just ask them, their ideas were good, but Bush screwed up. America is crazy not to elect someone who would try their ideas again.
How dumb do they think the rest of us are?
Posted by: Chuck | January 11, 2009, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
I couldn’t disagree more with president elect Obama on several issues that preclude affinity. I pray for him and his family based on the scripture and hence the good of the nation.
Posted by: Eric Drexil Holland | January 11, 2009, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
The Taisho:
You are correct, of course! How could I have been so dumb?
I was picturing the apartment, and the balcony, and when you so correctly set me straight, I realized that I had morphed George and Louise’s apartment into Bob and Emily’s second apartment.
[For some reason, I always thought that while Archie and Edith had a very “traditional” Queens house, the apartment that was designed for the Jeffersons just didn’t look like New York. Unless it was supposed to be upper west side a little bit! But I digress!
However, I will correct you on one other matter! Their sons were not both named Lionel!
Lionel was the Jefferson son, but Sanford’s son was named LAMONT! At least, that is the part that Demond Wilson played. Unless there was another son that I didn’t know about???
At any rate, you are right; I am wrong!
Mea culpa! Mea maxima culpa!
Posted by: stgeorgeschapel | January 11, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Totto meet Eric!
Eric meet Totto!
Good luck; name one of the kid’s after me!
Posted by: stgeorgeschapel | January 11, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Stgeorges…
That’s right, Lamont was Fred’s son.
Thanks for setting it straight!
Posted by: The Taisho | January 11, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Wow, the Right Wingers lie in wait seeking out articles to develop retroactive conspiracy fantasies! You guys need to grow up and get a life. Give Obama the same courtesy the vast majority of people gave the worst President in history for his first 2 years including complete support after 911. This is the same kind of time where all of our leaders need our support as well as accountability. Your arrogant ignorance is showing; we’ve had enough of that for a few more decades.
Posted by: Geoffg | January 11, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Angelicus:
Nope! Not buying it! You are NOT a conservative (I know, you tried to play one on TV, but it didn’t work, now did it!)
And, I NEVER gave up on Richard Nixon. I have yet to have any Leftist explain to me what Nixon did that was worthy of impeachment.
You are trying to make the folks here THINK that you are a big bad conservative but are “intrigued” with this “golden couple.”
Well, guess what! This article was probably written last week as a ploy (ham-handed because the Obamas are thick) and it is really rather vulgar. (I would have thought that ANY conservative worth her/his salt would get stuck on its vulgarity).
Your “golden couple” are really brass and brassy (or, as I affectionately call them: Jug-head and Battle-Axe.
Posted by: stgeorgeschapel | January 11, 2009, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
BlofeldBuildings is right, the last thing we need is smart person as President.
What were we thinking? We could have elected McCain. Look at all of the successful businesses he has run. And he must be in touch with the average guy, who also owns so many houses he can’t remember quite how many.
Or better yet look a how many successful business Dubya had run, before he became president.
As far as public service. Why surely sitting around at a national guard base while everyone else your age without connections is off fighting is more public service, than helping the poor people. We just need a smart person to figure out how, and none of them can be trusted.
Ive started and continue to run what I believe to be a successful small business, and I don’t find Mr. Obama out of touch at all.
Posted by: Chuck | January 11, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
You know, I wish so much that Obama is really the Prince Charming that he seems to be. He and Michelle definitely seem in love, and like an awesome pair. Their daughters are precious. ~ But, I see so many problems. He was mentored by a Communist, in Hawaii, during his formative years. He disagrees with our Constitution, probably the most pristine document in 500 years. He willingly, with open eyes, went to a “church” which preached hatred of America. He has been known to not even show respect for the Pledge of Allegiance. His wife is rarely proud of America. (How will our military respect him?) He openly campaigned for a relative in Africa, a total thug. His wife makes comments about “whiteys”. Also she willingly, knowingly wore a dress at his acceptance speech which reminded thousands of people of a black widow spider, a possible throw-back to an ancient African custom; what is with THAT? (google that) ~ These are too many “dots” to ignore. They connect to a straight line. What ARE this man’s values??????? ~~~ I think so many people have been charmed that he is black and charismatic, and obviously brilliant. I wish a black man had been voted President, but, a black man who had a record of loving and serving America. And yes, sorry if it bugs you, but I think we should live lined-up with the Bible (ie, abortion, marriage), because who are we to reinvent God? (if you don’t agree with Christianity, I respectfully ask you to read the first part of C.S. Lewis’s “Mere Christianity”. A quick synopsis: Jesus
Christ is a lunatic, a liar, or who He claimed to be.) And, therefore, I believe His book should be our guide, in personal life, and in government. It had a huge influence on our forefathers, and transforms lives when followed today…..
Posted by: Amazed18 | January 11, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
“jim….baby…. We don’t need “intellectual change”, as you call it.”
1. First, it’s “intellectual change” as *bpjsam* called it. When (s)he said,
“You won an election (again, congrats) but you’ve yet to create an intellectual change in America.”
My point: Obama can’t change the tone by himself alone. If conservatives think the tone is too partisan – well, conservatives can actually reduce their part of it.
You know, that actual “personal responsibility” thing.
2. Agreed – we don’t need yet another ivy-league, elitist.
GWB was and IS a true ivy-league elitist. Born to political power, with a golden spoon in his mouth. As was John Sidney McCain the 3rd.
But Obama, like him or not, is a man who has raised himself by his own bootstraps. He knows what it’s like to be black; he knows what it’s like to be white. He knows what it’s like to be poor, middle class, and wealthy – because he has personally gone through all of these things.
It is a valid argument that Obama lacks executive experience. Nevertheless, when looked at the actual experience some have had – for example GWB, who ran every business his father handed to him straight into the ground – clearly voters felt his other qualities outweighed this.
If you don’t like the outcome, well – this what results from the blind conservative support of an utter disaster like GWB. Thanks to unflinching conservative support no matter what, GWB has been able to do such an awful, terrible, no-good job that people will turn to Obama in order to reverse course.
3. “Already his “ideas” are nothing more than the tried-and-failed New Deal of the 30′s…”
You mean, the ones that actually pulled us out of the Great Depression? Right.
I know conservatives are comforted by THINKING the New Deal made things worse.
The overwhelming majority of non-partisan economist experts disagree with you, and are backed up by facts and logic. I think I’ll side with them.
“…and the Great Society of the ’60′s.”
Utter nonsense.
Please show these “ideas” of Obama’s that reflects the Great Society proposals, and NOT the New Deal.
“…And he’s going to enact them with all the same rogues gallery of dunces from the Clinton years of the ’90′s.”
You mean the ones that gave us 8 continued years of peace and prosperity? Yeah, wow, that’s terrible.
Please look at reality as it is, in terms of facts, even if it pains you ideologically.
4. “If he had some radical new ideas, I might listen to him.”
All it takes to get us out of our mess is ideas that *work* and are executed *well*. Neither of which the GWB administration made happen.
5. “If he had clear plans about national security and international relations, I would sleep easy at night.”
I think he does. But fine – DON’T sleep easy. Please criticize the Obama administration with logic and facts, at every single possible juncture.
Don’t go easy on him, like so many did GWB – because that’s led us to our current extremely troubled situation, that GWB is now exiting in denial and laying on Obama’s shoulders to solve.
Please remember:
- whose watch the economy fell apart on
- which administration ignored years of warnings about the housing market, and the intertwining of mortgage and investment,
- which administration ignored the costs of invading Iraq
- which administration blew the surplus and sunk us into debt
- which administration didn’t once veto a spending bill
- which administration ignored the dangers of reckless deficit spending on the unnecessary invasion and occupation of Iraq
6. “63 million voters for “Change” are about to get what they deserve. ”
The whole nation is.
Just like the whole nation suffered under GWB, while less than half voted for him the first time and barely half the second.
And it’s your nation too. So get it together. Don’t just hate Obama because your guy lost. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, do the right thing – criticize Obama with LOGIC and FACTS. Not ahistorical wishful thinking.
Posted by: jim | January 11, 2009, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
To Barney and Andy~
I’ve tried to post two comments today. I can’t find the first one, so in this one I said something different. This one is complimentary. The other was a bit off-the wall. I am really not a “sheeple.” Quite the opposite, in fact. I was checking the moderation on this site.
Posted by: thoughtfulvoter | January 11, 2009, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
Geoffg:
Unfortunately, your argument does not hold water! Why? Because it is easy-peasy to go back and see what President Bush was called, and how he was portrayed, FROM THE DAY OF THE ELECTION IN 2000 forward! There was NO HONEYMOON for President Bush! He was HATED WITH VENOM FROM DAY ONE!!!
Do you not remember the disgusting interview with the Golden Girls and Rue McClanahan was HAVING A COW OVER PRESIDENT BUSH’S GRADES IN COLLEGE???
She said that “America deserves better than a C student for President.” She sputtered and called my president a “disgrace” for his low grades, and that he should NEVER have been elected.
Well, now, if I could have given her a piece of MY mind, I would have told her that:
George W. Bush is dyslexic and it is difficult for him to read and learn.
That he came from a FAMOUS Republican family and that professors have been known to hold that against a student (yeah, I know that they deny it, but some of us have PROOF in their carelessness and we are sure).
IN COMPARISON:
AL GORE HAD NO LEARNING DIFFICULTIES AND HE CAME FROM A FAMOUS DEMOCRAT FAMILY THAT THE PROFESSORS WOULD APPRECIATE.
YET, with George W. Bush’s problems and Al Gore’s lack of problems;
GEORGE W. BUSH HAD HIGHER GRADES THAN AL GORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What does that mean? Well, maybe not much, but it sure means that President Bush knows how to apply himself and to stay focused and his eye on the prize.
AND, Ms. McClanahan should be on her KNEES APOLOGIZING FOR HER NASTY MOUTH!!! With ZERO information, she was certain that Al Gore was “smarter” than George Bush, based on their grades. Well, if that’s her standard then she should be forced to admit that Al Gore would have been a worse president than George Bush. But, of course, being a Hollywood elite snot, she never will. She was HATEFUL TO HIM BASED ON A FALSE STANDARD!!!
I remember what Barbra Streisand said. I remember the VILE HATRED of the DU crowd. I remember President Bush PORTRAYED AS A MONKEY!!!! DO YOU THINK THERE WILL BE ONE EXAMPLE OF THAT TOWARD OBAMA??????????????HMMMMM???????
You are DREAMING IF YOU THINK THAT PRESIDENT BUSH HAD A DAY, A WEEK, OR AN HOUR OF RESPECT. HE DID NOT!!!! It was like Hillary had opened her bag of ugly tricks and let everyone have copies of her favorite insults!
(I am convinced we will not have a chance of being civil again as long as Hillary is anywhere in the mix. And, she is still very much “in the mix” so this will not end.
Posted by: stgeorgeschapel | January 11, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
LOL at the guy who said the “liberal media” that liberals need to survive are dying off. Our liberal media is right here on the Internet, and it’s growing stronger every day.
Posted by: skylights | January 11, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
Chuck,
O.K., I get it. You don’t like George Bush or John McCain. I could remind you that George Bush ran an oil company, served in the Texas National Guard and was governor of Texas. I could also remind you that John McCain has been a senator for 26 years with alot of legislation written and passed, served his country for 20 years before that, fought in Vietnam, was a prisoner of war for 5 years and came out of it with permanent injuries. Even Sarah Palin has run a business, been a mayor, is the governor of Alaska, has served on the Energy Commission Board, is in command of the Alaska National Guard, has fought and won against political corruption in her state, has introduced sweeping reforms, and enjoys an 80% approval rate – higher than any other governor in the country. But I know that all of this means nothing to you.
The facts remain – Obama has no military experience, no executive experience, has never run a company – has never WORKED for a company – therefore does not understand how business operates. I understand he’s a brilliant lawyer, can read a speech like nobody’s business, and is a wonderful community organizer. That’s all wonderful, but how does that translate into presidential skills? I’m talking real, everyday, make-a-definitive-decision PRESIDENTIAL skills? Decisions that affect citizens lives, safety and well-being? It DOESN’T.
But he has a giggly wonderful marriage, two adorable little girls and a NEW PUPPY! Those qualities will all come in handy in the coming months when scandal after scandal will continue to be revealed regarding his crooked, shady Chicago politics past, but again, HOW DOES THIS TRANSLATE INTO DAY-TO-DAY DECISION-MAKING FOR THIS COUNTRY?!?
Please explain.
Posted by: BlofeldBuildings | January 11, 2009, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Just wondering why Le Monde was interviewing a state senator? Why would their audience be interested in an Illinois state senator??? Don’t understand why they interviewed him in the first place.
Posted by: stephanie | January 11, 2009, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
“Just wondering why Le Monde was interviewing a state senator? Why would their audience be interested in an Illinois state senator???”
I’ll field this one, stephanie.
It’s because they DIDN’T interview a state senator. They fabricated an interview about a President-Elect.
It’s so clear to see. This interview is a sham. Think I’m wrong? Then please explain the SHAM that the media has become. Please explain how the media offered NOTHING on Obama’s past, all through the two years of his presidential campaign. Nothing but hearts and flowers and warm fuzzy speeches. Anything that was controversial or even questionable about Obama was downplayed and/or completely submerged.
The media duped us and lied to us.
Why wouldn’t Le Monde, a left-wing French newspaper, fabricate an “interview” with the Obamas? Why wouldn’t the Obama team – and Obama himself – go along with it?
Posted by: BlofeldBuildings | January 11, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Who cares about this drivel???
Posted by: NoOne | January 11, 2009, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
The real question would be why would a French newspaper be so interested in a couple that wasn’t even in politics yet? This interview sounds like something that would be done AFTER Obama became president. How would this newspaper even know about Obama?? This is the REAL story here. Not the drivel about how they met, etc, etc.
Posted by: Jack | January 11, 2009, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
BlofeldBuildings:
You know nothing about me at all. I was a huge McCain supporter until the Republican Party force him to become a Bush clone. You are right about Bush of course, I think he was a horrible President. His service in the National Guard was a way to stay out of Vietnam.
As for executive experience. Ronald Regan had no executive experience, and was a successful President. Bill Clinton had no executive experience and was a successful President. George Bush had what some may call executive experience and was a total failure.
The CEOs of Lehman Brothers, Citibank, Wachovia, GM, Ford, Chrysler and numerous other institutions now requiring bail out to survive have ton’s of executive experience, but thank god they were not running the country.
During WWI, an WWII our Presidents had no significant military experience, but they mobilized the country, and won those wars.
Lincoln had neither executive nor military experience, was a Lawyer, and despite all of those detriments pulled us through the Civil War.
Franklin Roosevelt had neither executive nor military experience and was a Lawyer; yet he successfully defeated the Nazis and brought us through the Great Depression.
The job of a President is to inspire, lead, set the administrations agenda, be the primary reflection of our national character to the world, identify the people who can get things done, and make big decisions. He is not a manager.
Posted by: Chuck | January 11, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
BlofeldBuildings:
You know nothing about me at all. I was a huge McCain supporter until the Republican Party force him to become a Bush clone. You are right about Bush of course, I think he was a horrible President. His service in the National Guard was a way to stay out of Vietnam.
As for executive experience. Ronald Regan had no executive experience, and was a successful President. Bill Clinton had no executive experience and was a successful President. George Bush had what some may call executive experience and was a total failure.
The CEOs of Lehman Brothers, Citibank, Wachovia, GM, Ford, Chrysler and numerous other institutions now requiring bail out to survive have ton’s of executive experience, but thank god they were not running the country.
During WWI, an WWII our Presidents had no significant military experience, but they mobilized the country, and won those wars.
Lincoln had neither executive nor military experience, was a Lawyer, and despite all of those detriments pulled us through the Civil War.
Franklin Roosevelt had neither executive nor military experience and was a Lawyer; yet he successfully defeated the Nazis and brought us through the Great Depression.
The job of a President is to inspire, lead, set the administrations agenda, be the primary reflection of our national character to the world, identify the people who can get things done, and make big decisions. He is not a manager.
Posted by: Chuck | January 11, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
I can’t believe people on the ABC News website are moaning about the “liberal media”. ABC’s habitual stance is farther to the right than a good 75 percent of the American people (those of us who are looking forward to seeing subject-verb agreement return to the White House).
Posted by: Quadrivium | January 11, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Quadrivium:
Executive experience refers to both public sector and private sector executive experience. Both Reagan and Clinton had significant experience as Governors (aka chief executives) of their respective states. Obama has NO executive experience, private or public.
Posted by: Incitatus | January 11, 2009, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
Sorry, Quadrivium, I meant Chuck.
Posted by: Incitatus | January 11, 2009, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
The negative comments are funny.
Why do some people refuse to believe anything good about the Obamas?
These wonderful judges of character probably invested with Bernie Madoff as well!!!
Posted by: Lynn | January 11, 2009, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
They explain why they were interviewing him in the article. It was for a French book on the lives of American couples. It was one of the interviews rejected for the book, but the editor noticed it when he was going through the files.
Posted by: okrly | January 11, 2009, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
TO: jim | Jan 11, 2009 5:24:15 PM
Quite a few salient points; however, you (and other libs) forget that the “prosperity” under Clinton was generally due to a “bubble” in value-less internet companies – the economy was going down in his last year in office, remember? And “peace”? What peace? Kosovo, the Mid-east, to name just two – nothing has changed in the last thousand years – there is a Jihad and Islam is attempting to take over the world. After all, they beat the Russians in Afghanistan (with our help of course -read “Charlie Wilson’s War”, forget the lousy movie version)and get a look at what is going on in today’s world. At least George Bush had the guts to see through the “politically correct” bs and try to stop the Islamis, before it is too late!
Posted by: John | January 11, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Thank you, Incitatus, for enlightening Chuck on what executive experience means. Executive experience means not only that you understand the economy and how business functions, it also shows that you have managerial skills can organize, understand budgets, plan strategically, and be able to understand and delegate duties to the qualified team below you. It is absolutely necessary, now more than ever, to have executive experience – whether private or public – when coming into the White House. And you are correct – Obama has none – public or private. His choices for his cabinet and his plans for the economy make this glaringly evident. Both John McCain and Sarah Palin made a dynamite team and would have been experts at this, but it’s all water under the bridge now.
Posted by: BlofeldBuildings | January 11, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
Jim claims obummer knows what it means to be poor. LOL If thats so why is he so lax in donating to charity? Here’s a man with millions who claims he cares and what does he do to help? He puts out a email asking his supporters for more money to spend on partys for him this month. This after spending thousands on a vacation in Hawaii Oh yeah he cares you poor shlubs he really really cares….hahahaha you’ve been suckered again.
Posted by: obummer fan | January 11, 2009, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Ok, Incitatus while I doubt Reagan’s or Clinton’s governorships had anything to do with their success as a President, we will substitute Presidents who had neither public nor private executive experience here are a few.
Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Lincoln, F. Roosevelt, Truman
Posted by: Chuck | January 11, 2009, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Wow, the venom and outright hatred posted here by some is simply stunning.
Bess, you’re worried about the values the Obamas have imparted on their girls? You can’t be serious? You mean the A students; the bright, gentle and kind, well mannered and respectful of their elders, Malia and Sasha? And your question regarding Obama’s KENYAN relatives who may be living here in the U.S. FYI, there are none, except for one great-aunt who attended his U.S. Senate swearing in who may be in the process of applying for permanent residency status. Have a problem with that? Or are you thinking more along the line of “terror cells!!!”
And to the other poster who claims Obama hasn’t spoken to, or on the topic of, personal responsibility. That comment alone exemplifies the sheer ignorance those who oppose Obama embrace. Not only has he on numerous times, countless times, spoken out loudly and clearly and w/o equivocation on this very topic; in churches,(of many faiths) at townhalls,(all through the campaign) as well as having written on this topic in his books; in fact he was criticized wildly by some in the black community, by pastors, pols etc., for doing so! Guess you missed the whole “caught on a live mic” on cable news comment made by Jesse Jackson, outraged at Obama for speaking to the need for young black men to take personal responsibility…??? Where have you people been, living under a rock?
Posted by: sandra | January 11, 2009, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
I still feel our economy has been manipulated in the last year and a half by George Soro’s look up 2007 miami book fair c-span listen to the video.
He know the only way he could get Obama on his mantle was economy economy. Because he tried so hard with his millions to get first Gore than Kerry, He was determined not to fail this time.
Posted by: Dee Smith | January 11, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Chuck,
Please. Franklin Roosevelt sold this country down the river. He was outright hostile toward business, and his New Deal prolonged the Depression a good seven years longer than it should have lasted. My mother lived through it and to this day talks about his outrageous, damaging policies and programs, most of which we’re STILL DEALING WITH today.
Harry Truman was a mixed bag. Some view his presidency as a great thing, many others do not. He dropped the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, ending WWII once and for all. I happen to think that was a good thing, but I can’t understand why you Libs would stand for that.
The other presidents you listed may have been very good presidents, but they are from at least 140 years ago. The country and the world was vastly different then, with different problems and challenges. I’ve no doubt they could have been very good presidents without executive experience. My point is that, with the world today, executive experience is an absolute must if you want the office of the president. Obama has NONE. Sarah Palin has it in spades. So did George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. In my estimation, any of the three of them, as well as Sarah Palin, are more qualified to be president than Barack Obama.
Obama’s lack of executive experience, coupled with his eyebrow-raising economic policies, his flimsy resume, dubious past and misguided cabinet picks make for a very dicey presidency. In any event, we’ll have a different president in January, 2013.
Posted by: BlofeldBuildings | January 11, 2009, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Chuck Said:
“Ok, Incitatus while I doubt Reagan’s or Clinton’s governorships had anything to do with their success as a President, we will substitute Presidents who had neither public nor private executive experience here are a few.
Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Lincoln, F. Roosevelt, Truman”
Sorry Chuck, try again (could you be more clueless):
Washington – Commander-In-Chief of the Continental Army.
Jefferson – Governor of Virginia and Secretaty of State (executive experience)
Adams was Vice-President for 8 years before service as President.
Madison – Secretary of State for 8 years, author of the Bill of Rights, and co-author of the Constitution
Lincoln – Captain of the Illinois Militia, ran a store in New Salem
Roosevelt – Governor of New York
Truman – Officer – WWI, Vice President (shortly, to be sure, and honest citiques of his Presidency state that he was a HORRIBLE President in his first term, much better in his second term after gaining more executive experience)
So, now how does Obama stack up to your self-selected list executive-experience-wise?
Posted by: Merrick | January 11, 2009, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
Barack Hussein Obama is simply the greatest president this so-called country has ever had. I can’t believe how much change he brought to not only our so-called country, but also to the so-called world. His honesty, charm, good looks, wit, fresh breath, shoe size, stick it to the rich philosophy, and trillion dollar spending plan sets him high above any other so-called president that this so-called country has ever, or could ever, have!
See you… I need to go put another bumper sticker on my car!
Posted by: johnsreport | January 11, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
G
I concur with the words you are bloviatingly penning on this site, both political parties are in some way invariably involved with this current state of affairs and are inextricably linked with the obvious obfuscation of personal responsibility, to which this country is suffering. The considerable uneducated masses, which take part in writing on these sites could never even begin to comprehend the chasms of intellectual differences between us and them.
Interpretation:
What you seem to be saying makes sense, but please, cut the condescension and put down the thesaurus.
Posted by: Obnoxious | January 11, 2009, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm
It looks like we somehow managed to let a genuinely decent and capable man slip into high office. Go figure!
Posted by: Aaron Levitt | January 11, 2009, 8:20 pm 8:20 pm
as far as Bush is concerned, the last two years of his adm. was dominated by pelosi reid , liberal congress which completely destroyed the economy and helped bring the Usurper obama the presidency.
OBama is a usuper, he refuses to show his birth certificate. he is not a natural borne citizen, as required by the US constitution, he may not even be a US Citizen. To millions of AMericans he will not be a real president, and he will be take to court until he admits that he lied to America , stole billions of dollars to finance his campagin, and he will be replaced by a legit candidate. Until then every thing he signs will be null and void.
He’s not my president, sorry, he is a fake and charlatan.
Posted by: da verg | January 11, 2009, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
the Obamanuts will believe anything.
Posted by: Silly Sally | January 11, 2009, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
I CANT WAIT TILL OBAMA GETS IN OFFICE I WILL GET FREE HEALTH CARE .FREE MONEY TO GO TO SCHOOL PLUS MY MORGAGE WILL BE PAID, TAX CREDITS EVEN THOUGH I DONT PAY TAXES PLUS I DONT WORK THANK GOD FOR THE RICH OBAMA WILL GET THEM TO PAY FOR EVERY THING WHAT A COUNTRY ONLY IN AMERICA
Posted by: CACHETERO | January 11, 2009, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
The Obama fans really know little about him don’t they? President 0 has done exactly 0 at anything he has done. Lets be straight here he is the affirmative action president, it makes the guilty white liberals happy nothing more. Of course they will be the ones who suffer when one of our cities goes boom.
Posted by: cccc | January 11, 2009, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm
da verg,
Great comment. I could not have stated it any better. Obama IS a usuper. Check out the arc of his career. He didn’t so much advance to the next position as he was propelled. Propelled by dubious means, and by shady people. Chicago political machine – need I say more? He may be Harvard-educated, but he is not THAT smart. Not smart enough to breeze through the Illinois senate, the U.S. senate and now, suddenly, the White House. He has had LOTS of help along the way. He owes lots of favors to lots of people.
You are absolutely correct when you say everything this Pretend-President signs is null and void. He bent the Constitution to get into office (or shall I say others bent it for him), and who knows how many thousands – if not millions – of votes were actually ACORN fraudulent? We’ll never know because liberal courts, the media and ACORN itself have swept it all under the rug.
George W. Bush had his faults. He made mistakes along the way and didn’t always make the right decision. But at least he had experience, and he stuck to his beliefs from day One. Agree with him or not, his policies and his stance today are pretty much the same as they were 8 years ago. Obama has not kept the flimsy promises he made 8 WEEKS ago. I guess that’s what’s meant by “Change”. Changing your mind to fit whichever way the wind blows. Or when somebody else needs to be paid off.
“Change” and “Hope” make nice campaign slogans, but now that reality is setting in and he’s about to take office, what do they mean? “Change”…to what? From what? It all looks like politics as usual to me, with all the same, leftover Clinton goons to boot. And now he wants more of my money. For what? “Hope”? Yippee. That’s Change we can believe in. Not.
Posted by: BlofeldBuildings | January 11, 2009, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
How do you translate “ummmm” and “ah” into French?
Posted by: Sam | January 11, 2009, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
[The negative comments are funny. Why do some people refuse to believe anything good about the Obamas? These wonderful judges of character probably invested with Bernie Madoff as well!!!] Think you will find that so far; of those who are ‘public’; would bet that most of of Liberal persuasion as was Madoff himself – and his enablers, for that matter. As for refusing to believe anything good about the Obamas; that is an unforgiving stretch. . .many of know he does not beat his dog; (oh, that’s right; he does not have one yet. OK, seriously. . .NO ONE is all bad; and most of us do not dislike Obama at a ‘personal level’ but we do resent him ‘politically’ and there is nothing wrong in that. For those who have ‘eyes’ and ‘cannot see’; truth IS simply an inconvenince; and it appears a major inconvenence to all who sing in ‘messianic voice’, Obama’s praises.
Posted by: Catherine T. | January 11, 2009, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
How do you translate “ummmm” and “ah” into French?
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I think “mmmmm” and “ah!”
Le jour parait! Day is breaking! There is cause for some optimism with this next four year.
Posted by: Madame Kat | January 11, 2009, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
Another typo: This next four year cycle.
Posted by: kat | January 11, 2009, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
I think it’s odd that that he refers to his sister as “My sister on my mother’s side…” As far as I know, she’s the only sister he’s actually grown up with and really knows as a sibling-in fact, the only sibling he really has (that he knows of..) I don’t know, somehow Michelle comes out of this interview sounding much more sincere and honest than the ONE…he sounds totally contrived to me in this interview, and he still does. all these years later.
Posted by: Annie | January 11, 2009, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
Interesting to see the anti-Obama types scratching around for any little bit of dirt on Obama – and coming up with so very little.
Propagandists.
And most of the propaganda is pitiful: name calling, sound-bite catch phrases and worse – some of it simple hate designed to fabricate bogus conflict.
I wish the ‘right wing’ on here would carry itself with a little more dignity and maturity.
Posted by: pefros | January 11, 2009, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
What a couple of phonies.
Posted by: slinkybender | January 11, 2009, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
G and Obnoxious
You both really are.
Obama is a 1 term President, if he makes it that far. The back room deals will catch up with him. Once the Halo is gone, the lemmings that put him in office will awaken and realize what they have done. Never again will White Liberal Guilt put such a Marxist in office again.
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
What a great man. The pain we will suffer in the next four years will be worth it in the long run just as Jimmy Carter’s term was the lesson we needed to learn to force a return to reality.
Posted by: Joe | January 11, 2009, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Well put Joe. Unfortunate but true.
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
John G – thank you for illustrating my point.
“Interesting to see the anti-Obama types scratching around for any little bit of dirt on Obama – and coming up with so very little.
Propagandists.
And most of the propaganda is pitiful: name calling, sound-bite catch phrases and worse – some of it simple hate designed to fabricate bogus conflict.
I wish the ‘right wing’ on here would carry itself with a little more dignity and maturity.”
Posted by: pefros | January 11, 2009, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
As he said before, and he made perfectly clear “I think that the issue will be finding a balance between public life and private life, which will mean finding a balance between my temperament that leans towards risk-taking and ambition” and the oh so many promises I can’t keep. In French, of course.
Posted by: flopez | January 11, 2009, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
So Pefros, you are admitting the White Liberal Guilt. Your man is at best a good soundbite. Look at how much he has already backed away from and he has not even spent one day in office. I am sure all of you and the press will give him a pass on that. Tha problem is that the folks that are really hurting are going to wake up and realize his promises were empty. He will not be able to do all he blindly promised even if he wanted to. It was all just hype and talk. You’ll see.
Posted by: John G | January 11, 2009, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
“Fear and Hate smell a little like Hope and Change. BS is BS. Even in French.”
Posted by: flopez
Actually flopez, hate and hope are different. If you really don’t understand the difference, I would suggest turning off the tee vee, and picking up a couple books. Start with Mein Kampf. Then read the Audacity of Hope. I’m certain that will help you understand.
J’espere.
Posted by: Hayduke | January 11, 2009, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
“you are admitting the White Liberal Guilt” – no substantiation on this at all from John G; simply saying it does not make it true.
“Look at how much he has already backed away from and he has not even spent one day in office.” – again, no substantiation provided by John G; simply saying it does not make it true.
“It was all just hype and talk.” – again, no substantiation provided by John G; simply saying it does not make it true.
So John G. absolutely nothing of substance in your post is what I see. Just a desire to badmouth and denigrate Obama.
Posted by: pefros | January 11, 2009, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Seam to be a delightfully middle class couple.
Posted by: alwanderer | January 11, 2009, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
pmb…
After 8 years of vile trash that the conservatives of this country have had to put up with from the left. Up to and including traitorous acts during a time of war.
I find it hysterical that you obviously want us all to pack it in and just get on the bandwagon now that the teleprompter messiah has been elected by a bunch of halfwits that couldn’t name their congressman or their Senators if they were hanging over a pit of hungry sharks.
Get ready for 4 years of the opposition giving what we have taken for the last 8. Give no quarter and expose this lightweight for what he is Jimmy Carter Redux.
Posted by: Son of Liberty | January 11, 2009, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
Thanks again for illustrating my point Son of Liberty.
Your criticism was all name calling and insults – nothing more.
This is the level the ‘right wing’ continues to stoop to – makes me wonder who the real “a bunch of halfwits (sic)” actually are . . .
Please, for the sake of your country, find something constructive to do.
Posted by: pefros | January 11, 2009, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
You can try and suppress debate with your name calling and race baiting I’m sorry disappoint you we aren’t going to shut up.
It does however speak volumes about how you see people through racially tinged glasses.
The teleprompter messiah has a compliant congress for two years and nobody to blame when he calls in “present”. Sure the media will run interference for him and his true believers will try and play the race card at any challenge grounded in ideology.
In the end it will be a 4 and out proposition.
Posted by: Son of Liberty | January 11, 2009, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
I have found something it’s called participating as a member of the voice of opposition.
If you don’t like it I suggest you get some pads and a helmet cause it’s going to be a rough 4 years.
Posted by: Son of Liberty | January 11, 2009, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
“I want to be realistic here, not everything that we talked about during the campaign are we going to be able to do on the pace we had hoped,” Obama said in an interview on ABC’s “This Week” program broadcast this morning. “Everybody’s going to have to give.”
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable statement to make to me; especially given the virtually unprecedented – and astonishingly rapid – financial collapse witnessed at the end of the Bush administration.
The key concept here is not that his campaign promises are being scraped, but that they will not proceed ‘on the pace we had hoped.’
Prejudiced means basically pre-judging, I think that’s what goes on here.
Posted by: pefros | January 11, 2009, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
As a Reagan conservative I will accept Obama as my president in a few days. The peaceful transition of power between opposing parties has set this nation apart from almost all others since Jefferson succeeded Adams and I pray (literally) for a spirit of peace and unity across our country as we continue to practice our form of democracy. The lack of strong conservative leadership at the national level does not change the fact that we are still a very conservative nation that will continue to curb the efforts of liberals to yank us hard left. Clinton failed at such efforts while succeeding with moderate-conservative policies. Already Obama is veering well to the right of his campaign rhetoric. Be vigilant but fear not.
Posted by: JDD | January 12, 2009, 12:08 am 12:08 am
We’ll see about the skill, I didn’t vote for him, don’t like the direction he’s headed and have not much in the way of confidence in him. However seeing that for the next 4 years I don’t have any choice, I’ll hope for the best. As far as the Congress that is to help him, it is not only the same Democratically controlled Congress that helped dig this hole we are in (even though they deny that they had anything to do with it) it is now more Democratically controlled then ever.
Posted by: Triple A | January 12, 2009, 12:09 am 12:09 am
Triple A, you’re partially right about the Democratic Congress – they held a majority 2007, 2008 however . … Republicans held the Presidency and Congress before that.
Here’s how the Republicans ran the government when they had control of Presidency and the Congress.
$421 Billion OVER BUDGET (2002)
$555 Billion OVER BUDGET (2003)
$596 Billion OVER BUDGET (2004)
$554 Billion OVER BUDGET (2005)
$574 Billion OVER BUDGET (2006)
Posted by: pefros | January 12, 2009, 12:20 am 12:20 am
Not sure why every one, well at least his supporters, are surprised that he is backpeddleing on his ideas and promises. He did this many times throughout his campaign, media and and the Left never called him out on it. It took the guts of Joe the plummer to call him out and we see what the media and the Left did to him.
Let’s see how did the promises go…
Oh only the evil rich will have to pay extra with their $500 thousand plus income
Well you know those guys earning $250 thousand really don’t deserve the money they earn either so they’ll have to pay
Ok bottom line, the people that make $150 thousand have to much money to so I guess they’ll have to pay to…
You know what, I believe everybody has to lose some skin…tell you what, you give me all your money and I’ll decide what you deserve…
and people just kept on believing….
Posted by: Triple A | January 12, 2009, 12:21 am 12:21 am
Barak has done more for this country than George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Jesus combined. He is the greatest man of all time, even greater than Superman. If only I could shake his hand once, i would die happy.
Posted by: Sara | January 12, 2009, 12:24 am 12:24 am
Not sure this comment was properly posted . ..
Triple A, you’re partially right about the Democratic Congress – they held a majority 2007, 2008 however . … Republicans held the Presidency and Congress before that.
Here’s how the Republicans ran the government when they had control of Presidency and the Congress.
$421 Billion OVER BUDGET (2002)
$555 Billion OVER BUDGET (2003)
$596 Billion OVER BUDGET (2004)
$554 Billion OVER BUDGET (2005)
$574 Billion OVER BUDGET (2006)
Posted by: pefros | January 12, 2009, 12:29 am 12:29 am
Pefros, absolutly… there is no doubt that for the past 8 years our country in my opinion has moved to far to the right and needs to adjust to center or just right of center but Obama Left is not the answer. I in all honesty (and this hurts a little :-) was listening to Mrs. Clinton till BHO came along. When it came to BHO, I was turned off instantly by his mentors (and that is plural not just one). I was brought up that your are and become who you hang with… and that is so true.
Posted by: Triple A | January 12, 2009, 12:30 am 12:30 am
Le VOMIT.
Posted by: Margaux | January 12, 2009, 12:32 am 12:32 am
Current indications are that Obama’s hubris may trump his significant skills but we’ll have to wait and see. I too hope for his success – just not at realizing his Marxist world view. Hopefully his presidency will serve as a primer on Marxism for the American voter since most of us completely missed the connection between Obama’s campaign rhetoric and the Communist Manifesto. We badly need to understand that this world view has become the foundational ideology of my
former party (dem). My “yellow dog democrat” grandfather (who helped LBJ get into state gov’t) would die all over again if he saw what has become of his party. I expect he would call them all communist and want to run them out of gov’t.
Posted by: JDD | January 12, 2009, 12:39 am 12:39 am
To “obummer fan” – I could care less how much Obama does or does not donate to the poor. All he has to do is clean up the mess the “compassionate conservative” GWB inflicted on America and the world, and that will be just fine with me.
Posted by: jim b | January 12, 2009, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Gee JDD- You sound like kind of an erudite version of of a Sarah Palin fan yelling. “Socialist!” at a rally.
Posted by: kat | January 12, 2009, 1:14 am 1:14 am
And to John:
1. “…you (and other libs) forget that the “prosperity” under Clinton was generally due to a “bubble” in value-less internet companies – the economy was going down in his last year in office, remember?”
No, you and other conservatives like to avoid realizing Clinton was actually a very effective President. He pursued the opposite of trickle-down economics, by lowering taxes on the poor and middle-class while increasing spending for programs to benefit the poor and middle-class.
Yes, a bubble was created, and it popped in the Bush administration. But had Bush maintained Clinton’s policies, we would have recovered quicker and more strongly, and not gotten completely behind the eightball just in time for the housing crisis > stock crisis > financial crisis > worst recession since Great Depression.
8 years of good management has good effects. 8 years of bad (or no) management has bad effects. Simple cause and effect.
2. “And “peace”? What peace? Kosovo, the Mid-east, to name just two – nothing has changed in the last thousand years -”
How many US soldiers died in Kosovo?
NOT ONE. SINGLE. US SOLDIER.
Oh, and the world approved of our intervention and it increased our bonds with our allies.
And yes, Clinton didn’t resolve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. But he did resolve the Ireland/Britain conflict – which no other US president was able to do before him.
3. “…there is a Jihad and Islam is attempting to take over the world. ”
OK. So, when Bush let Al Qaeda run free by shifting our resources to could invade Iraq – the one country in the Middle East which WAS NOT Islamic fundamentalist – that was a good idea?
Think things through.
Really.
Posted by: jim b | January 12, 2009, 1:18 am 1:18 am
And to “Sara”:
“Barak has done more for this country than George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Jesus combined. He is the greatest man of all time, even greater than Superman. If only I could shake his hand once, i would die happy.”
Well, Mrs. Palin, what would your husband think, if he only knew?
Posted by: jim b | January 12, 2009, 1:20 am 1:20 am
JDD- Upon reading your posting for a second time, I’ve come to the conclusion it’s a cross betweeen a joke and fiction.
Posted by: kat | January 12, 2009, 1:25 am 1:25 am
Before we go wishing for too much change it might be good to note that people continue to come here from all around the world for the opportunity to advance themselves by their own hard work because no other country offers such opportunity as we do. The (highly paid) people I work with are mostly from other countries (India, Kenya, Belgium, Poland, China) and they don’t understand why we seem to be heading for increased socialism when they came here to escape it. And, yes, the guy from Belgium left Europe to escape the inevitable financial ruin of socialism in western Europe. Now he faces it here. All these coworkers hold advanced degrees, speak 2-4 languages, and think we are stupid because we are bringing financial ruin upon ourselves by thinking it is government’s responsibility to guarantee a standard of living when it is only supposed to preserve our freedom to achieve it for ourselves. Obama = Hope? Don’t think so.
Posted by: JDD | January 12, 2009, 1:28 am 1:28 am
Sara wrote:
“Barak has done more for this country than George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Jesus combined. He is the greatest man of all time, even greater than Superman. If only I could shake his hand once, i would die happy.”
Superman, dear heart, is a fictional character.
Posted by: GM | January 12, 2009, 1:32 am 1:32 am
Say what? Socialism in China? The inevitable financial ruin of socialism in Western Europe? Are you a card carrying member of the Lyndon Rouge or John Birch Society?
Posted by: kat | January 12, 2009, 1:38 am 1:38 am
GM – Sarah or whoever was clearly kidding. I thought it was a guy trolling myself.
Posted by: kat | January 12, 2009, 1:40 am 1:40 am
Like I said, some of us have something to say. I guess that somewhere between a joke and fiction lies the stated view of Obama: that we live in a society with a restrictive class structure brought about by capitalism where the moral role of gov’t is to break down said class structure through the use of increasingly progressive taxation to achieve a redistribution of wealth among the lower classes such that any “elite” class ceases to exist, along with its abuses of the lesser classes. So, Kat, in the words of Marx and Engels, we are in a stage 3 society where the bourgois take advantage of the proletariat for selfish gain and Obama wants to move us to stage 4 where the gov’t takes control of the economy to weaken the bourgois class for the sake of leveling the society into a classless communist utopia (stage 5)through the use of tools such as progressive taxation (1 of 10 points in the Manifesto) to serve redistributionism. Obama has actually spoken and written extensively on the failure of our Constitution to address “redistributionism”. Actually, I read the Constitution to speak directly against the concept when establishing personal right of property. If Obama continues to veer to the right he may do well enough. If he follows his campaign rhetoric he will not.
Posted by: JDD | January 12, 2009, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Okie dokie. Goodnight.
Posted by: kat | January 12, 2009, 2:05 am 2:05 am
BTW, “erudite”?
Really? Thanks! It’s the best label you’ve used all evening.
Posted by: JDD | January 12, 2009, 2:09 am 2:09 am
The bottom line is – Obama is our chief executive for the next fou years and America’s future is in his hands. The majority of Americanh citizens support him and the minority can only cackle and whine while their noise is consigned to the dust bin of history.
Posted by: TJ | January 12, 2009, 4:47 am 4:47 am
i think that obama will perform his job as potus without too much difficulty. the road will not be easy, but the challenge can be met. the way i see it is that those who are sceptical of the (proprosed) bail-out, is that if you are not effected by money woes; the status quo is fine with you and your representatives in congress. should you have to stand in the un-employment line and wonder where the next meal,or house and carpayment are coming from you might have a different outlook. like the potus stated, if you can show something better. share it. all ideas are on the table. no one was squeamish when billions were lost and mishandled in iraq as i recall. give the plan a chance. besides have many of you where so willing to trust madoff without a second thought. buckle up wensocki!!! buckle up. you can win if you only buckle up!!!!!!!!
Posted by: myrtle | January 12, 2009, 4:57 am 4:57 am
Osamas Socialism/Communism has failed in every country it has been tried. Not sometimes but everytime. Only the ignorant and opiate afflicted media brainwashed citizens cannot see the disaster looming if this Empty Suit actually manages to fulfill his massive giveaways.
It is said that ignoranhce is bliss and nowhere is that more evident then on this forum. The absolutely inane and ridiculous comments made by those on the left paint a strak picture of people that haven;’t the first clue about how an successful economy funvctions but instead actually seem to bel;ieve that the government can somehow hand out enough money to the lazy do nothings at the expense of the productive members of society so all will be equal and happy.
Uneducated is to mild a term to use to describe these people. Here is a quote that perhaps they will understand even though they will blindly ignore it because they believe THIS TIME it will be different.
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A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage.”
Tytler
Posted by: Joseph | January 12, 2009, 6:35 am 6:35 am
Ya kmnow folks? I’m not at all sure this article is real. The messiah was totally and completely unknown in 1996. Why on earth would LeMonde write an article about him?
I believe this is pure propaganda intended to reinforce the Empty Suits image and bolster him in the only way the left can since he is of no substance and was elected purely on media hype. This is only more of the same.
Posted by: Joseph | January 12, 2009, 6:40 am 6:40 am
For those folks who have questioned why the Obamas were interviewed back in 1996, this quote from the article explains it.
‘the interview, entitled “An Intimate Conversation with Michelle and Barack Obama,” was conducted for a book about American marriages and was never published before today.’
It is surprising how much information you can learn if you actually read the entire article.
Posted by: Lydia | January 12, 2009, 8:12 am 8:12 am
Hope and Change? Maybe “Bait and Switch!”
Posted by: NoBama Momma | January 12, 2009, 8:53 am 8:53 am
“OBama is a usuper, he refuses to show his birth certificate. he is not a natural borne citizen, as required by the US constitution, he may not even be a US Citizen. To millions of AMericans he will not be a real president, and he will be take to court until he admits that he lied to America , stole billions of dollars to finance his campagin, and he will be replaced by a legit candidate. Until then every thing he signs will be null and void.
He’s not my president, sorry, he is a fake and charlatan.”
I couldn’t agree more
Posted by: jack | January 12, 2009, 8:59 am 8:59 am
Amazing how the far right is so disconnected to the rest of the country.
Stop watching Fox News & listening to Rush and face the facts. Hew will be the best president in years. Beats the heck out of W.
Posted by: Doris Taylor | January 12, 2009, 9:15 am 9:15 am
HE WILL NEVER BE MY PRESIDENT!
Posted by: chris | January 12, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Obamas latest change:
Backing off his promises. Looks like I wasted my vote. He is just like everyong else. I thought he was different. It is going to be the same old thing. It is not like the economy was any different back in September when he made his promises.
His words yesterday:
Jan. 11 (Bloomberg) — President-elect Barack Obama said reviving the U.S. economy will require scaling back on his campaign promises and personal sacrifice from all Americans.
“I want to be realistic here, not everything that we talked about during the campaign are we going to be able to do on the pace we had hoped,” Obama said in an interview on ABC’s “This Week” program broadcast this morning. “Everybody’s going to have to give.”
I am so disappointed..
Posted by: John G | January 12, 2009, 9:30 am 9:30 am
He hasn’t even taken office yet and he is backing off of his promises. Sounds like he didn’t know what he was talking about back in September and October when he made all of his promises. The economy is the same as it was back then. I am so disappointed.
Posted by: John G | January 12, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am
Conservatives of America that for some reason hate your new president: do an exercise of conscience and patriotism and think hard on what you want for your country: do you want him to fail? Meaning your country to fail? You can be opposition but be sure to be a useful one. Pounding the guy with predictions based on your hate will do no good to your country. Wait and see. Be tolerant, be fair. And never wish your president to fail. This is your country. We can’t move forward if so many are stuck in bitterness. Everything coming from your mouth is criticism. Make a honest effort to find at least something you can tolerate and maybe even find good. We can’t make it without union.
Posted by: Clair | January 12, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Nice fluff piece, but
. who is the un-named author of this unpublished book?
. out of all the married couples in America, why were the Obamas selected for the book?
. can’t ABC get hold of the original interview in English?
Posted by: Ed | January 12, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Wow!
Hate, hate, hate.
How about we START by trying to have some semblence of decency and respect when speaking to each other.
Amazingly enough; that seems to benefit healthy debate more than insulting each other does.
Astonishing!
C’mon! Let’s try it! :)
Posted by: Mrs. Jude Bourff | January 12, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am
The republican party is almost dead and some of the negative posts here represent some last gasps of the dying beast. I hope the republicans finish themselves off by running Jeb Bush and Sarah Palin in 2012.
Posted by: Tom | January 12, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Excellent interview and one that should be published more widely. Both gave sincere depth about their vision for family, community and country which transcend limited sound bites that the public usually receives from public figures.
Posted by: Pam | January 12, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Asked for the last 8 years:
Liberals of America that for some reason hate your new president: do an exercise of conscience and patriotism and think hard on what you want for your country: do you want him to fail? Meaning your country to fail? You can be opposition but be sure to be a useful one. Pounding the guy with predictions based on your hate will do no good to your country. Wait and see. Be tolerant, be fair. And never wish your president to fail. This is your country. We can’t move forward if so many are stuck in bitterness. Everything coming from your mouth is criticism. Make a honest effort to find at least something you can tolerate and maybe even find good. We can’t make it without union.
Posted by: Hillimon | January 12, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Alway try to view from both sides before posting.
Posted by: Hillimon | January 12, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Hate him hope he falls on his face and I can kick some dirt in it.
Posted by: Mark | January 12, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!! Just like him.
Posted by: Mark | January 12, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Obama hasn’t a clue what to do as President.
Most of Obama’s appointments are Clinton has beens or Bush carry-overs.
Obama is backtracking on the promises he made to the looney left who voted for him.
All those people who voted for him believing Obama is going to change Washington are in for a rude surprise; Obama is the product of the corrupt Chicago political machine and graft is the only way he has experience in politics.
I just hope Obama has enough sense to know to step aside in 2012 and let Hillary do it right.
Posted by: Charles | January 12, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Hilliman, I’ll do better than that. I’ll treat Obama that same way you and your party treated Bush when he first came into office.
Let me recall what the Dims called Bush: Stupid, no gravitas, idiot, etc.
Hilliman, do these words sound familiar?
Posted by: Dadoo | January 12, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am
Barack Hussien Obama is a fraud. Enough said.
Posted by: Jilly | January 12, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
(yaaaaaawwwwnnnnn) I cannot believe I will not get the past ten minutes back in my life
Posted by: Jeffrey | January 12, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am
puff piece,
Posted by: nmh | January 12, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am
JDD – You’re a little hyperbolic, as usual, but then we agree somewhat on something.
Posted by: kat | January 12, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Enough already!
Posted by: anonymous | January 12, 2009, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Clair, the premise of your comment “do you want him to fail? Meaning your country to fail?” is wrong.
If he succeeds at imposing the Socialism he seems to be planning, this great country of ours is certain to fail. Our economy will be fixed by the people themselves, not the government.
This Conservative holds no hate for anyone. Barack Obama seems like a nice guy, and I would concede that he may have good intentions, but he is just wrong. He has no clue of how to actually fix this economy. Government stepping even more into the problem will not fix it. Government isn’t the country and government didn’t make this country as great as it is. “We The People” did, and it is “We The People” who will fix it.
Posted by: Mark | January 12, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
The article reveals the continuity in Obama’s philosophical outlook, which connects his personal life experiences and beliefs with his approach toward public policy and where and how he intends to lead this country. His calm, thoughtful attitude and willingness to accept divergent viewpoints are marks of both conventional intelligence as well as that more elusive variation of intelligence that we call wisdom. Those who hate Obama or hope for his fall will not only be disappointed, but will one day admit that they were wrong to loath him, and the conversion of these individuals from bigots and racists to reluctant admirers will be one of the by products of his tenure, and will continue that evolution toward a more perfect union.
Posted by: Trevor | January 12, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
I was thinking he was an idoit too!
Posted by: MikeC | January 12, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Dadoo-
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I took Clair’s comment and removed CONSERVATIVES and replaced it with LIBERALS, to show the irony of what what not given to BUSH, when he enter office, by some people and continued for “8 years”. Sorry for the confusion…
Posted by: Hillimon | January 12, 2009, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
That was the most boring interview I have ever read. No wonder it was never published. If it were published, newspapers would have been in trouble back in 1996. By not publishing this interview the delayed the inevitable by a decade or so.
You know how the Germans love David Hasselhof? Well the press loves Obama.
Posted by: John w | January 12, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Puff piece. Just like BHO!
Posted by: Ned Schnittt | January 12, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
Let me get this straight, the dems and libs think the time is now over for any name calling about the president, but it was ok for the last eight years!
Forgive me if I do not take you seriously!
Oh and please don’t try to play the race card (anymore).
Posted by: myze | January 12, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
If there was ever rich material for SNL, this is it. I love things that are translated from English to French and back to English. They are never quite the same! If Barack Obama literally told an interviewer that Michelle was “alluring” (ooh la la) or that his father “studied economy,” I would be extremely surprised. I wish you had shared more of the lines in the translated French version. Too funny.
Posted by: Fairfax Voter | January 12, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
“President-elect Obama, who turned 35 that year, describes growing up with a single mother and absent father,”
Interesting that He was already peddling this baloney, and not letting the little woman know he was bound for “politics”. IF Obama’s mother’s bigamous marriage counts for married, she wasn’t “single” for long, and little Brock was with his typical white granny during that time.
Not only IS He full of it, this boring interview suggests He’s ALWAYS been full of it.
Posted by: Belle Starr | January 12, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Michael Bechloss, the ‘respected’ presidential historian. Bechloss said of Obama, and I quote, “his (Obama’s) IQ is off the charts”.
No. It isn’t. If it’s really in the 130′s, as reported somewhere, that’d make him medium-smart. He didn’t have a rep as “brilliant” or any of that while he was at Harvard — QUITE the reverse — where He wouldn’t have been admitted but for pull.
Suburban public high schools are FULL, literally, of people smarter than The One.
Posted by: Belle Starr | January 12, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Just to make a factual correction of Belle Star. I don’t know if Obama’s IQ has ever been recorded or reported, but assuming it is in the 130s, that would place him somewhere in the 95th percentile of the distribution of IQ scores. Although this does not place him in genius territory, it would also be inaccurate to say that high schools are full of people who score this well.
Posted by: psychometrician | January 12, 2009, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Well Congratulations USA! We just got ourselves a President off of an Infomercial….. and we all know how well the tummysizer and the magic bullet worked!
I am tired of having Obama crammed down my throat already!
If your not… feel free to switch to HIS television channel and you can “on Demand” any of his speeches, this might be a good idea, so you can start looking for the promises that he is already saying he WON’T keep!
NOTICE the talk of LOYALTY and TRUST…. hmmm… and that he admits making up stories of his family!
I am a hell of a marketing person and If I had realized that the US presidency was for sale and I could advertise to suckers and get elected…shoot, I’d of RUN too!
Praying for America. May GOD HELP US!
Posted by: Juan | January 12, 2009, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Why would Le Monde interview the Obamas in 1996????? This is a set up.
Posted by: ovamarabbit | January 12, 2009, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
” … 130s, that would place him somewhere in the 95th percentile of the distribution of IQ scores. Although this does not place him in genius territory, it would also be inaccurate to say that high schools are full of people who score this well.”
What I said was that SUBURBAN high schools are full of people who score in the 130s.
Brock wasn’t considered anything special, “intelligence”-wise, by His Harvard peers … he was reinvented as “brilliant” as part of the selling of this “post-partisan” pig in a poke as a Democrat.
That some of the people RUNNING Him for “election” are indeed very bright — if value-free where it counts — isn’t in contention.
Posted by: Belle Starr | January 12, 2009, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
The article, finally, admits that Obama, formerly known as Barry Soetoro, speaks fluent Indonesian. What it doesn’t mention if he was legally adopted by his step-father and/or did he have an Indonesian passport? Also did he legally change his name back to Barack Hussein Obama after he moved to Hawaii from Indonesia. Lots of questions other there.
Posted by: Al | January 12, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
“He is not even a natural born U.S. citizen (his grandmother said she was there for his birth in Kenya).”
Presumably Rahm Emanuel’s Kenya trip was/(is?) to help granny … forget. Or whatever.
How many of Brock’s old classmates and extended family will suffer sudden disappearances and/or disabling conditions?
Posted by: Belle Starr | January 12, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
LMAO!! :O Why would the French interview them inspite they had not done anything yet?? Why not interview Joe Blow and his new wife? This thing is a joke. Mark my words: “YOU WILL BE MISSING ‘W’ in about a year and half”….He is that unqualified.
Posted by: A. Adams | January 12, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Sounds like a load of “merde de taureau” to me!
Posted by: g rider | January 12, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
A board full of mixed nuts. The GOP will stay in the wilderness because they can’t get on with their lives. Instead they resort to name calling, good luck with that and see you in 2010.
Posted by: Monarchland | January 12, 2009, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
I didn’t vote for him but I want him to be a success. That said, I think the article is a fake. If it wasn’t how is it that the admiring media didn’t find it during the campaign?
BTW, some of the things he says make me believe even more that there a few gay genes in Barach. Strtaight guys are never that mushy…ever!
Posted by: Bruce Tominello | January 12, 2009, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
I didn’t vote for him but I want him to be a success. That said, I think the article is a fake. If it wasn’t how is it that the admiring media didn’t find it during the campaign?
BTW, some of the things he says make me believe even more that there a few gay genes in Barach. Strtaight guys are never that mushy…ever!
Posted by: Bruce Tominello | January 12, 2009, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
His memoir, Dreams From My Father had been published in 1995. Perhaps he got on the radar through a publicist trying to promote his book and the French journalist thought his story was interesting.
And to the loathsome person who claimed we’ll be missing W–fat chance. The only way that would happen is if Hitler were to somehow be resurrected and become president.
Posted by: Kacee | January 12, 2009, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
We the People,
That is what we are. I am a Libertarian. I personally am not surprised that he says he will “scale back” on his campaign promises and nor should you be. The fact now is he will be our President and now we must move forward with resolving issues in our Economy. Blame for the economy does not lie with the “Evil Rich” or George Bush. The problem is IN FACT with our government. The government allowed this bubble to burst with the housing industry knowing that by allowing lax regulations for lending and instituting government controlled companies (MAC, Fannie Mae) to secure those loans with money that did not exist caused this to occur (see Community Reinvestment Act). Now, government wants to make more programs to do whatever they want them to do and this will only get worse. Ecenomy is stimulated by the people, not by the government. We need smaller government control of our lives. We need John Q. Taxpayer to stand up and take the reigns of responsibility again and quit pandering to the government for handouts.
I am a taxpayer and do not want the government to tell me how to live, how to spend, or even take more money from me in the name of “fairness”. what is fair when the lazy bum does not want to work but get a portion of our hard earned money while they live on welfare driving their nice car, watching the news from the biased media on their nice flat screen TV?
Government does not create jobs, it creates dependence on government, only independent businesses create independent jobs. go to your nearest mall and see how many shop spots are closed because of the fiasco created by the government. Those businesses are the ones that create jobs. This is not some revelation, this has been a fact for over well over 150 years.
time to step up to the plate slackers and take charge of your own life and bring our country back to where we should and need to be. Or, you can be a bum and let the government take care of you. If that is the case, please move to some other country that lives that way so you all can whine like the incompetent, immature children the government believes you to be.
Posted by: Mike | January 12, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
It is astonishing how much energy people can waste on hate, envy and pettiness. Reading these comments has been mind-numbing. But what is clear is that people make a sport of projecting all their crap unto others, especially when they can gather agreement from other bitter, angry people.
For example, a few clearly stated facts are overlooked in the zeal to either attack or defend.
First is that this is not a “puff piece”; it’s an interview (apparently by invitation) that “was conducted for a book about American marriages and was never published before today” and it took place “the same year Obama eventually ended up running for state senate”.
So this notion that he was just making stuff up for the sake of his political career isn’t even logical.
Besides, liars eventually slip up. The man is not, and has never, made up his personal history.
It is depressing that there are so many pathetic losers who create stories in their head for the sake of having something to complain about. Like, how could he possibly have been a Presidential candidate without an American birth certificate? Jesus!
Posted by: labelladonna | January 12, 2009, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Good grief! It only takes is a simple story about the Obamas to elicit an hysterical regurgitation of bile from the right-wing Obama haters and conspiracy theorists.
Posted by: Tim Cleaveland | January 12, 2009, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Correcting people’s incorrect statements. Why do I do it? It’s both fun, and I feel a need.
To Tytler, who said:
“O[b]amas Socialism/Communism has failed in every country it has been tried. Not sometimes but everytime.”
1. you spelled “Obama” as “Osama”. Fixed it for you. Similar mistakes such as this, may be why Osama Bin Laden is still running free after killing 3000+ US citizens. Please get it together.
2. Obama’s “socialism” includes ONLY policies that have been done in the US – AND WORKED. By getting us out of the Great Depression, and Bush 41′s depression of the early 1990′s.
So are you calling America a failed state?? How DARE you? Why do you hate America, huh?! Huh?!?
Posted by: jim b | January 12, 2009, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Belle Starr: the urban/suburban IQ gap isn’t quite that large. A generous estimate may be one that people in the suburbs are standard deviation above the national mean, which would put him at or near the 90th percentile.
Posted by: psychometrician | January 12, 2009, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Corrections for Mike:
“Blame for the economy does not lie with the “Evil Rich” or George Bush. The problem is IN FACT with our government.”
Oh! Right.
And who was running that government for the past 8 years?
Why it was George W. Bush, and his neocon buddies.
And this attempt to pin our current troubles on lax regulations for mortgages, is laughable. That may have been spark – but it’s not the gasoline splashed around the ammo dump. That was allowing mortgage companies to package and SELL those bad mortgages for trading and investment – and then allowing other companies to create and sell investment based on THAT.
Which the Bush Administration and the GOP was continuously warned about – and which they continued to just let happen.
Now that investment and between-bank borrowing based on mortgage packaging was made possible by the repeal of the Glass-Steagal act – which happened under Clinton in 1996, and was approved by both parties. So Democrats are by no means innnocent. But to try and blame this solely on government itself, rather than those *incompetently running* government for the 8 years, doesn’t hold water.
Get it right, will you? These facts are out there.
Posted by: jim | January 12, 2009, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Correction for Juan, who said:
“Well Congratulations USA! We just got ourselves a President off of an Infomercial…..”
You’re a bit late, Juan. That happened in 2000. Remember, the President who had a Crawford “ranch” as a backdrop, so people could watch him “clear brush” and feel like he was “jsut regular folks”? Remember, the magical playtime “ranch” with no animals or farming, that he’s selling now that he doesn’t need a backdrop anymore?
Posted by: jim | January 12, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
And corrections for Myze, who said:
“Let me get this straight, the dems and libs think the time is now over for any name calling about the president, but it was ok for the last eight years!”
Myze, take it straight from me: please feel free to call Obama every name in the book, if he ever does anything CLOSE to:
- ignoring reports about an incoming terrorist attack for 9 months, doing NOTHING, and demoting people like Richard Clarke from meetings for NO GIVEN REASON
- lazily letting someone who murders 3000+ American civilians go free, because Obama really wants to invade a nearby country for no clear reason
- ignore the advice of and evidence of seasoned experts, because Obama wants to invade Iraq
- ending the careers of respected and decorated Generals, for giving the public the true figures of what an Iraq invasion will cost
- lying to Obama’s own party about the cost of a Medicare bill – and *threatening to fire* others if they tell the truth
etc. etc.
The problem is, *you* didn’t *listen* to the liberals and progressives, when we TOLD YOU what a disaster Bush was being.
Clinton handed Bush a perfectly working country – and Bush basically broke it, like a rich kid breaks a toy the day after Christmas, yawns, and goes out to his yacht.
Posted by: jim | January 12, 2009, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Apparently the Obama haters and/or those who are terrified of boogeyman socialism are spending all their time on the Internet.
Check out the president-elect’s approval rating, highest of any PE in transition since polling began. At 82% it says the vast majority are pleased, hopeful, or at least willing to give the guy a chance.
So who are you people?
Posted by: francesca | January 12, 2009, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Jim,
I have nothing against libs and dems personally, but you have attacked me for putting the blame where it belongs, the government as a whole. I do not understand where you come from on that as obviously you did not even read what I had put earlier. The government as a whole is at fault and I was merely telling other ppl to drop this mess and lets get on with the real issues, fixinf this mess.
I have nothing against Obama personally. I did not vote for GW, I agree he could have done something about this issue but he did not, I also believe that both parties could have done something about this in Congress, but did not, this is why I blame the government. Who do you blame?
I could go on a rant like you are but what will that solve?
Posted by: Mike | January 12, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
And, “da verg” and “jack” – my God. Come on!!!
“OBama is a usuper, he refuses to show his birth certificate.”
This is 100% NOT TRUE. This is a 100% LIE. Slander, libel, factually disproven, by independent non-partisan sources, and confirmed by the Hawaii Department of Health.
!!!!!
Do I need to be more clear?
To repeat: Obama IS a natural born US citizen. He WAS born in Hawaii. He HAS shown his birth certificate, which HAS been viewed and examined in person, and which HAS been confirmed as 100% legit, genuine, real article.
Furthermore, Obama has shown all the information he can show – his Hawaii state-issued birth certificate. AND The Hawaii Department of Health has confirmed that Obama DOES NOT HAVE and CAN NOT GET his hospital-issued (“long-form”) birth certificate. Hawaii DOES NOT RELEASE originals OR copies of the hospital-issued birth certificate. They don’t even have a process in place to do this. They will ONLY do this in cases involving land disputes – and even then, WILL NOT release copies of this long-form to the public.
Clear?
If only one bit of nonsense I correct day actually sticks, let it be this.
Please do not take my word for it. Read here:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Please criticize Obama. If more people criticized George W. Bush, our country would be in a better place. I only ask that you criticize him in terms of his POLICIES – and not this tin-foil black-helicopter crapola.
Your country needs better of you.
Posted by: jim | January 12, 2009, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
And, lastly for now, to Bruce Tomarello:
“…I think the article is a fake. If it wasn’t how is it that the admiring media didn’t find it during the campaign?”
Because it was never before published, you see. Which it says in the intro.
Basically, Le Monde interviewed them, and as Obama wasn’t famous yet they just stuffed it in a back bin without using it. Then, looking for stuff to fill the current issue, they searched through their archives and found it.
If they had found it earlier, I’m sure Le Monde would have run it earlier too.
Posted by: jim | January 12, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
To John G:
If I can help you pack to leave the United States of america, let me know
Posted by: Mike Monrow | January 12, 2009, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
I’m a “right-winger”. I will give Obama the chance that Bush never received. Remember when Bush’s Motorcade was on the way TO the inauguration? Remember that it was pelted with snowballs? Keep in mind that this was before Bush made a single decision as president BECAUSE HE WAS NOT EVEN SWORN IN YET! So don’t give me any crap about how people hate Bush because of his policies. I hope Obama does well because I love America more than I dislike Obama.
Also, to those that blame everything on Bush… Please try to remember that the economy was great, literally the best in history from 2002 to 2006. What happened in 2006? That’s when the Democrats took over Congress. Remember from your middle school government classes that the congress controls the purse strings, and therefor the economy. Just look at recent history to see that Clinton’s economy took off when Newt became Speaker and tanked when he went out. The economy was great when Delay was Speaker but has now tanked thanks to Pelosi. Numbers don’t lie.
Posted by: ArcherB | January 12, 2009, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
And to Dadoo – yes, PLEASE criticize Obama in terms of his policies, promises, actions and results.
If more people had engaged in logical and fact-based criticism of George W. Bush, especially in his first 6 years in office, this country and the world would be in a better place.
Posted by: jim | January 12, 2009, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Mike,
I apologize for perhaps being overly harsh. I just have heard so many excuses made for George W. Bush’s terrible management, in particular. I think he’s a worse problem than either party; I think the GOP enabled him to do worse than another better President would have done in his stead.
And I also think that blaming the mortgage mess for our current issues is inaccurate, and tends to imply the poor are to blame – when it is the supposed stock-market wizards who took a potentially bad situation and made it go nuclear.
But if what you are saying is that both parties are to blame *besides* Bush, that I can definitely agree with.
Posted by: jim | January 12, 2009, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
And some nice corrections for Archer B, who said:
“Also, to those that blame everything on Bush… Please try to remember that the economy was great, literally the best in history from 2002 to 2006.”
Huh?
Uh, no.
- going from a surplus to the 3rd largest national debt in US history;
- 5 straight years of decline in incomes for the poor and middle class, whereas before there was only ONE (1) year of this decline, during World War 2
- and the dollar: a shocking %37 decrease from 2000 to 2006 (and worse from there)
…I mean really.
“Just look at recent history to see that Clinton’s economy took off when Newt became Speaker and tanked when he went out.”
Nope. You see, Clinton pursued policies that were the ***direct opposite*** of the GOP’s and Gingrich’s. For example, Clinton wanted to keep paying off the debt whereas Gingrich wanted immediate tax cuts for the wealthy; and Clinton went so far as to shut down the government to get his way.
Clinton won in spite of Gingrich, and handed Bush a record surplus – the first President in many decades to achieve this. Bush then blew it.
That’s factual history. Please look it up.
“Numbers don’t lie.”
No, they don’t. But you can lie *with* numbers, if you pretend there’s different causes.
Posted by: jim | January 12, 2009, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
A respectful response to Jim:
If you look at the Clinton economic timeline, it would appear that Clinton inherited a recession and turned it around into one of the best economic eras in American history. This would be completely accurate, except for the fact that it is not the President that controls the economy. Congress writes the budget, congress appropriates the funds, congress decides where to spend the money and what to spend it on. All the president does is sign the budget, just like any other law.
So to say that the economy during Clinton’s presidency is a direct result of the Clinton presidency is unfortunately a common misunderstanding of how the US gov’t works. The President’s power lies in his control of the military, foreign affairs, political party and setting the broad agenda that congress can either follow or ignore.
If you look at a graph showing the increase and decrease of the GDP by year, you will find that it coincides with changes of who controls congress. As for the problems you listed, these are either not the area the federal government has an effect or simply are not a problem. Sure, incomes fell in areas like California and Michigan. But in Texas, Florida, Colorado and other states, the exact opposite happened under the same president. These are more a result of local governments’ ability to spur local economies where people live. Since the GDP rose during this time, it shows that there were more winners than losers. More people were working (less than 4% unemployment) and more people were making money nationwide. So saying that poor and mid-class made less money ignores that fact that the numbers of poor and mid-class decreased during this time. As for the falling dollar, it’s not a problem. It does not cause inflation. What it does do is make American products more competitive around the world since these products are “cheaper” in foreign currencies while making foreign products more expensive stateside.
Posted by: ArcherB | January 13, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am
pmb said; seriously, republicans look really bad when you read blogs.
I guess you never go to HuffPo’s site, or Daily Kos , eh ?
Welp, either way, good luck with your new President for we shall be watching and will give all the respect to Obama that was given to Bush, cause come next week everything that happens will be on B. Hussien Obama’s shoulders and voting PRESENT won’t be an option.
Posted by: Ratt | January 13, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
A respectful response to Archer:
“…it is not the President that controls the economy. Congress writes the budget, congress appropriates the funds, congress decides where to spend the money and what to spend it on. All the president does is sign the budget, just like any other law.”
And when the Congress tried to send President Clinton a budget that included tax cuts for the wealthy, President Clinton vetoed that budget. And he refused to budge, until Congress accepted what Clinton wanted – those tax revenues to go towards paying down the budget deficit instead.
And so we ended up with a budget surplus – because Clinton defied and resisted Newt Gingrich and his Congress.
Also, from his bully pulpit and as head of the Executive Branch, Bill Clinton pushed for and instituted a range of programs and incentives to improve the lot of the poor and middle-class. Thus giving them more jobs, and more money to spend.
This is the exact opposite of trickle-down economics – and it works. It works by common sense. When the wealthy get more money, who’s to say they’ll spend it? They may save it – they may invest it overseas. But when the poor and middle class get money, they’re more likely to spend it – because they *have to*.
“If you look at a graph showing the increase and decrease of the GDP by year, you will find that it coincides with changes of who controls congress.”
I’d love to see that graph, please post a link to it.
“As for the problems you listed, these are either not the area the federal government has an effect or simply are not a problem.”
Sure – if it’s a party that doesn’t believe in the power of Federal government.
“Since the GDP rose during this time, it shows that there were more winners than losers.”
Sure – if you define winners as “wealthy”, and losers as “everyone else”.
But that has nothing to do with the health of the nation. Or, the economy – since the bulk of our economy depends on purchasing power, and since the poor and the middle class spend more of their money because they have to.
Therefore less money for the poor and middle class is not only hard for them individually, but hard for everyone – because it means less money is being spent in the economy, even though more money is technically available.
“So saying that poor and mid-class made less money ignores that fact that the numbers of poor and mid-class decreased during this time.”
Love to see that graph or a link to it, too.
“As for the falling dollar, it’s not a problem.”
Really?
China owning us because they’re propping up our dollar, that’s not a problem to you? You don’t think our lower dollar value negatively impacts our trade, investment, or long-term health at all?
I disagree very heartily. Their can be silver linings to it – but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a very dark cloud.
Posted by: jim | January 13, 2009, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
And GDP is a poor measure of a nation’s health. Especially as the sole measure.
As a metaphor, consider a very village with a yearly GDP of $110,000. One villager makes $100,000, and the ten other villagers make $1000 each.
Now let’s say the one wealthy villager doubles his income one year, from $100,000 to $200,000. And in the same year, the 10 other villagers only make half their previous income, for $500 each.
The village’s GDP went from $110,000 to $205,000! So what are the other ten villagers complaining about?
You see what I’m saying?
If you even want to look at using GDP as a useful sole measure of an economy’s health for the whole nation, you have to at least use it as a mean. And not just as a lump sum.
Posted by: jim | January 13, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Let’s hope that life in the White House doesn’t adversely affect what appears to be a beautiful relationship. Common sense tells us that their marriage has been and will be tested by the campaign and the victory.
Posted by: Dorothea Nauls | January 13, 2009, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
If the Obamas need a babysitter/nanny I’m available.
Posted by: Dorothea Nauls | January 13, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
‘Winning’ his 1996 race is a euphemism for ‘getting all his opponents knocked off the ballot so he could ‘run’ unopposed.’ He could not have won a vote against the incumbent “beloved elder stateswoman” Alice Palmer, so he made a vote impossible. Just as he could not win a vote against Hillary Clinton, so he maneuvered in the back rooms of Florida and Michigan and Denver to prevent her votes from being counted. (And Hillary still ‘won’ the exit polls; 9.5 million of McCain’s voters preferred Hillary.)
Ref “Showing his bare knuckles” in a Chicago Tribune profile.
Posted by: fsteele | January 14, 2009, 7:49 am 7:49 am
tsk tsk. what we could have know prior to voting for him IF he’d only been vetted to any extent.
Posted by: POTP | January 14, 2009, 8:26 am 8:26 am
Obama was famous for being famous even before he was famous. We have been set up by Brazile, Dean, the DNC and the media. God help the world.
Posted by: Honora | January 14, 2009, 8:46 am 8:46 am
I think this is a genuine article, but I have to wonder: Why would a FRENCH magazine do an article on AMERICAN marriages?
Posted by: kjj | January 14, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
“‘Winning’ his 1996 race is a euphemism for ‘getting all his opponents knocked off the ballot so he could ‘run’ unopposed.’” Ditto. I agree with fsteele.
Locally, I’ve uncovered evidence of possible caucus fraud by Obama supporters in Iowa. If more people would talk, it would be easier to prove, but I know that caucus fraud by the Obama campaign in Texas has been documented.
No more caucuses!! Too easy to defraud the voters. Undemocratic, too. How many people can show up for three or four hours on a particular night to represent their candidate? It’s harder for the poor and working classes.
Posted by: Maria Houser Conzemius | January 16, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Ya know what Ratt?
Get your facts straight — Obama only voted “present” in the Illinois Senate. That doesn’t just mean “hey, I’m here” — it means that he either had a conflict of interest, or thought that the bill was a good idea but had major reservations about voting “yes” for it because there was a flaw.
Posted by: Am | January 22, 2009, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
More garbage from the left..You people are so far to the left you can’t stop going in circles..Wake up and realize that all AMERICANS are not stupid enough to believe you because you say its true..This guy is a disaster for AMERICA and the world but your noses are so far up his butt you can’t understans that..GOD BLESS AMERICA !!
Posted by: raymond | January 7, 2012, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm