A Big ($787 Billion) W for O

It’s truely sad that not one of our elected officials that voted for this bill can say they read it well enough to KNOW what it contains.

Whether it works, of course, remains to be seen
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Well if it doesn’t work it is for sure the GOP wouldn’t have worked.
We will just have to see how the GOP spins failure and how the Dems spin success.
I for one sure do believe it won’t hurt.

@ emjay
Are you waiting for Dr. Obama to pull out his “scalpel” as promised during the election?
Surely you have realized by now that The One is master of rhetoric and empty promises.

$3.1 T Deficit = Republican’s plan to give to Corpo to set up shop in Asia.
36 Republicans voted for this plan.

Isnt it great how the bill passed and though we are heading into the ‘second great depression’ and hundreds of millions of jobs may be lost only a mere fraction of the porky bill is going to ‘unemployment insurance’ and the rest to STD research, govt building repairs (where toilet seats and hammers cost $200 ea) and green infra (which is y2k in disguise) the study of global warming (which we all know is Al Gores pet project and not true). Shouldnt maybe even HALF the $797 billion go towards Unemployment if so many people are going to lose jobs and the current govt is doing nothing to bring them back from overseas (we wouldnt want to take away Indian peoples jobs they stole from us would we)?

Jake don’t be afraid, keep asking the tough questions.
Amid the furor over controversies regarding Cabinet-nominee tax problems and the seismic battle over a nearly trillion-dollar economic rescue bill, Obama made a little-noticed appointment that is now generating intrigue.
Shauna Daly, a 29-year-old Democratic operative, was named last month to the new job of White House counsel research director. Though she is inside one of the most powerful legal offices in the land, Miss Daly holds no law degree and doesn’t list any legal training on her resume.

We need to think more extensively about how the profits of all of our businesses in the U S can inflict hardship on our consumers

hmmmm, well, he is our president and doing the best he can, time will tell of course – then again, is there anyone in congress or senate that has paid their taxes? are all these representatives owned by lobbiests? is Ogden for family or porn? How does a train from LA to Vegas stimulate the economy? how does new uniforms for TSA stimulate the economy?

When I pull out my wallet to put gas in my car – I am not a Democrat or Republican. I guess with $400 I will be able to buy a lot of Kool Aid!

The most massive legislative spending bill in human history and there was no time for the overwhelming majority of elected officials to read it???
Are we to trust them because they’re from the government and they’re here to help us????????????
Forgive me if I have a strong shot of whiskey while I watch the Kool Aid flowing.

My God. Obviously “truth” isn’t a precondition to post on this site. All of these backassward lying rants from the right just don’t seem to stop. Here’s a fact for you. It took the USA 225 years to accumulate a $5 trillion debt. It took a Republican president and a Republican led Congress 6 years to double it. And those same 6 years saw one of the largest increases in the size of the federal government ever. What did we get for our money during those 6 years? Universally available healthcare? No, we still have a system where we pay more than any other industrialized nation on Earth while 1 in 7 Americans has no coverage at all and we aren’t even in the top 30 countries in terms of life expectancy. Improved infrastructure? No. Improved educational opportunities? Well we got mandates but no funding to actually put them into place so the money didn’t go here either. Did we move towards sustainability and decreasing our funding of terrorists and regimes that fund and proclaim anti-democratic practices? Certainly not. well the surely the middle class is better off after those 6 years? Actually when inflation is tken into account, the average middle class worker makes LESS than they did in 1999. Republicans: Does your hypocrisy know no bounds?

bdaman: “Shauna Daly, a 29-year-old Democratic operative, was named last month to the new job of White House counsel research director”
Note that her job is “research director”. You don’t need to have a law degree or legal training for that, just managament skills and experience. And she has that in vast amounts.

bdaman: ‘He backed legislation to close the mythical “gun show loophole”’
So, when it is just a “mythical” loophole, no problem to close it then, is it? After all, it won’t change a thing, even according to you.

bdaman still pushing that birth certificate nonsense?

Obama says that this Bill is not perfect. Well if I was an employer and he was an employee of mine. I would fire him for incompentance.

“spend these precious dollars with unprecedented accountability, responsibility, and transparency.
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I’ll believe this transparency and accountability promise when any of his other transparency promises are met.
48 hours to read a bill before a vote- no
5 days posted on the internet – nope
Transparency about tax cheating nominees- no
Transparency about his people’s interactions with Blago – nope
Transparency about waivers for lobbyists in administration – no
Good explanation of new TARP plans – no
Thorough explanation of what’s in this bill- nope
Labor Secretary transparency about her positions – none

Congrats Prez Obama!
Now the loser Repubs can step back and mutter “someday I’ll say I told you so” to themselves all they want.
G.O.P. = R.I.P.
Onward Real America!

It is a shame that this bill was pushed through in such a hurry. I will go back to Tarp one where 78 billion was overpayed to the banks. I think everyone agreed that money had to be spent but when these bills have figures scatched out with new ones scratched in you know it was done hastily and perhaps recklessly. It looks like they could have made different parts of the bill, priorities lets call them, that needed immediate attention, passed that legislation, and went on to the next. Perhaps that would have weeded out some of the nonsense.
This morning I read an article that stated our debt, with all the unfunded mandates( north of 66 trillion), equals the entire GDP of the world.
Someday folks we’ll have to pay the piper.

“Those who don’t remember history…” F.D.R. tried massive spending to bring us out of the Depression, it didn’t work then and it won’t work now.

This will not look like a win for the Democrats or Obama in 2010 and 2012. The Democrats own this plan – it passed with no Republican support. They own the debt that the plan will add to our nation. The Democrats own the coming crisis when foreign investors pull their money out of our economy because inflation has made those investments worthless. The Democrats also own the coming wave of inflation that will wipe out the middle class and the savings of those nearing retirement.
The Democrats have just handed the Republicans the White House and congress by passing a wasteful economic plan that will destroy the remaining areas of strength in our economy.

“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.” – Ben Franklin
Here we go, New Deal part deux straight ahead! This bill is an unqualified disaster and will grind whatever is left of the markets to a screeching halt. If you can buy gold over the weekend, do it!
No one, and I mean no one believes we can spend our way out of this mess. The solution lies with buying toxic assets so banks can clear their balance sheets and start lending again, but because of our current culture of class warfare and sticking it to the rich whenever it’s convenient, that won’t happen. It’s 1933 all over again. Wage controls and protectionism will only make a Japanese-style 20 year malaise a certainty. Way to go, Dems. You own this one. You’ve done more to help the dysfunctional Republican party than they could possibly do for themselves!
The solution isn’t more government, it’s good government, and the two are mutually exclusive.

What happened to Obama’s campaign promise to take a red pen to all earmarks in spending bills? He should have taken the time to review each line item instead of just setting goals and letting the Dems lard up this bill. I trust he will do this in the future.

Ok all you kool aide drinkers. What is going to happen when President Obama ask for money at the end of the year saying that this $787B was not enough. Get it through your small brains. This package was nothing but PORK for Nancy Polesi and her cronies that have been waiting for over 8 years to get their favorite PORK passed The President did not even write this legislation he simply allowed the Democrats to do it for him. That is not a leader that is someone to lazy to do what he was hired to do.

Obama has reneged on his promise of transparency. Obama has beguiled most of the American public, he will destroy them economically. Why would any one push such a financially damaging bill through without the politicans reading it? Already Obama has said he does not know if the bill will work. One thing for sure ALL Americans (except the politicians) are going to be much poorer and have a lower standard of living.

Repub president bush WITHOUT 2000 election majority vote.
*9-11 terror attack
*iraq war = 1 trillion a year
*afgan war = 1 trillion a year
You people have some nerve, give Presdent Obama your prayers and support and stop being bitter. He has to fix the MESS PRESIDENT BUSH & THE GANG MADE.
God Bless and protect President Obama!!!

During the last eight years the Bush administartion spent nearly a trillion dollars on the war in I raq. At the same time Bush ignored America’s infra-structure and the American people. The Republicans used talking points like” we are building schools in Iraq and improving Iraq’s electrical grid”. America’s resources were poured out in the desert.
Our infra-structure has continued to deteriorate. We are at the mercy of big oil, as evidenced by the inflated $4 per gallon oil this past summer, our schools are lacking, rural communities need broadband internet, and highways and bridges need repair. A bridge in Minnesota simply fell down
causing death and destruction.
Bush left America broke and an economy in free fall. One of Bin Laden’s stated goals is to engage America into never-ending wars and conflicts. His goal is to drain America’s resources and wound our economy. Bush was stupid enough to accommodate Bin Laden as we struggle with our economy.
Finally, we have a government that is attempting to do something for the American people.
It’s long overdue

After 4 years in the New Deal, Roosevelt won 60.8% of the vote and carried every state except Maine and Vermont. The New Deal Democrats won even larger majorities in Congress. Americans who lived in those days certainly knew what FDR and the Dems had accomplished.
FDR brought unemployment down from 24.9 to 14.3 in just 4 years (or 20.6 to 9.1 when another measure is used). It’s the economy, stupid.

They didnt read the bill and passed it anyway. That alone is grounds enough for firing all of them. Most are lawyers and would tell you to NEVER sign a contract you havent read.
President Obama and this Congress: We don’t trust you and you have completely failed us. You have made an enemy this day. I will fight against you and everything you do until you are thrown out of office. Just as Bush betrayed us, so have you.

ED R. In 2005 a now voted out of office Republican brought to the countries attention that Freddie and Fannie was a train wreck waiting to happen. He was rebuffed by Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, a Mr. Meeks from New york…all made him look foolish saying that there were no problems, in fact praising Mr. Raines for his management. Mr. Raines of course overstated the earnings, reaped a 90 plus million pay check and now lives nicely in several homes.
I will agree that Bush sopent money, too much money, the war aside and the majority of that spending was on social programs (medicare drugs) education (no child left behind) and homeland security (you do remember 911) and of course the natural disasters.
Take off the blinders and you’ll see that there is plenty of blame to share.

“Universally available healthcare? No, we still have a system where we pay more than any other industrialized nation on Earth while 1 in 7 Americans has no coverage at all and we aren’t even in the top 30 countries in terms of life expectancy.”
Poverty — a state soon to be the fate of many now clinging to “middle class” positions — is apt to be a terminal diagnosis: the life expectancy of those who fall into the clutches of “public health” is likely to be lessened by unwittingly guinea-pigging dubious pharmaceuticals, becoming addicted to — or dead of “pneumonia” from — the corporate-profit-generating substitution of pharmaceutical “pain” or “depression” treatment for actual medical care for the poor and near-poor.

Hypocrisy:
1. The GOP doubled the federal deficit from $5 trillion to $10 trillion while a majority in congress and left us with a failing economy!
2. If the majority Democrats spend another trillion, it will save us all and fix the economy because it was spent by Democrats!
Little lambs don’t be fooled. Ignore party affiliation and start to seek the truth.

I see that a number of individuals in their postings would rather have a total economic collapse in the country than any success for he stimulus bill. Ironically, this same group of people, who nurse their bitterness here and wish ill for the US, are among he biggest flag waivers. My advice to the little ones is to throw away the bottles that succor their misery, and become a little literate on the stimulus bill and basic economics.

They are right about greed and self indulgence being the major cause of this cess pool economy we”re suffering through. BUT THE SAME GREED AND SELF INDULGENCE HAS BEEN GOING ON IN THE GOVERNMENT AS WELL!!!NO ONE has been doing their jobs! The FCC has allowed endless trash to be imputed into the American mind for the sake of money! the FDA has been feeding Americans with trash medication that will cover up a condition (not get rid of it) and that will eventually hurt another part of the body, to where you would have to take another ”medication” or even cause death!!! They have also allowed companies to put pestisides and preservatives, etc… into the food that will cause disease or even eventually kill you! WE LIVE IN A SICK, NARCISSTIC, MONEY HUNGRY, GREEDY SOCIETY!!! Come on people, its probably everyone”s fault because of this degraded and sick mind set that most of us have come into. We”ve become like a bunch of animals, and eventually, we”re going to pay a bigger price than we already have. This is just the beginning; and America”s ”superhero” Barack Obama is not going to be able to pull it out! We”re already seeing signs of that developing! The whole thing is completely out of control! God help us all!

Get Real do you know what really started it. On sept 15 2008 an electronic run on the banks in the tune of 500 mil in two hours was the beginning of a financial terror attack google it

All that money and homeless veterans are lingering in sick and nasty shelters, mandatory 100% Absolute Sobriety for life forced 12-Step Religion Meetings, never-ending “How do you feel?” group therapy, handfuls of mind frying meds not even approved for Fido or Fluffy, and after going through all of those insane programs, STILL HOMELESS and ready to blow their brains out or hang themselves.

FDR needed world war II to make his government spending programs work. Obama will also need a war to give the appearance that his deficit spending is working. Look for war with China or Russia or maybe a civil war (several states have recently strengthened their state sovereignty laws) to be used a convenient excuse for the failure of big government. Obama wants to destroy America so he can remake it in his socialist image. We live in very dangerous times, much like Germany in the 1920′s.

The economy was much, MUCH worse ’79-’80 and Reagan didn’t need to spend anywhere near this much.
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And that’s because the Feds had the instrument of the Interest Rate at their disposal. Obama hasn’t anymore.
It was Paul Volcker who got us out of the Stagflation of the 70s. He did this by raising the interest rates to extreme heigths to lower inflation. He caused the recession of the early 80s ON PURPOSE. After Volcker had broken the beast of inflation, he lowered interest rates dramatically in a couple of months and both these shocks (raising and lowering it dramatically) caused the US economy to jumpstart again.

Many of you say Bush spent this much, Bush did that. Well Obama was supposed to FIX all of Bush’s mistakes, Not make them worse. In less than a month Obama has spent 3 trillion dollars. I cringe to think what that figure will be after one year. his welfare bill is an insult to working Americans.!!! Obama you can keep my $13 dollars.!!

HopelesslyDevoted:”The fact that no one could have possibly read the bill before voting on it is shameful. ”
Where is this simplistic lie coming from? The conference committee bill, as is typical, consisted of minor edits to the Senate and House bills – a trivial amount of new text. Any representative who did not read the source bills in the week+ they were available and then review the few dozen pages of edits (highlighted, sticky noted, and with an interpretation sheet if their staff is half decent) is incompetent.
I do not think it is unreasonable that be expected to have read the material and kept up on the debate over the course of the three weeks – it is their full time job. Claiming they were unable to read it is blatantly exposing a shocking level of incompetence.

Some of you seem to focus only on the economic aspects of policy, but you cant forget that it is also driven by politics. True, the spending of the New Deal sought to help the economy as a whole, but remember at the time there was no macroeconomic theory as such, as Kaynes didn’t really develop it until 1936.
The main purpose of the New Deal was to deal with the social problems of unemployment and hunger, and not necessarily out of altruistic impulses. The fact is that had they done nothing, a socialist revolution in the US would not have just been possible, but likely.
Thats why the New Deal was a jobs program. Obama’s plan doesn’t really bear much relationship to the NEw Deal.

worker man:”"unprecedented accountability, responsibility, and transparency.”
Do you BHO groupies not remember him saying these same empty words during his campaign?”
Yes, and so far his Whitehouse has met it. Note that he said unprecedented, not perfect. Most of the Presidents supporters live in the real world where there are shades of grey, not in zero tolerance, with us or against us, Republicanland.

Skip the labels democrat or republican, its the same silliness of being a bronco fan or raiders fan. Bipartisan,partisan who gives a whoot – if out of xxx number of legislators most agree or disagree is the point – if they ignore the activities of the SEC, Maydoff, bankers, credit default swaps, subprime mortgages then their label means nothing – their accountability means everything – if you have ever been in war, you will realize race, religion, sex and rank mean nothing – life and protection mean everything. Corruption flourishes in our government regardless of labels. As John Paul II said, ‘America will self destruct based upon its counterfeit freedoms’ and ‘America, ‘the culture of death’.

Bushie did drive up the national debt. He ran 2 wars .
However, the legislative branch controls the purse strings, not the executive branch.
In 2006 when Pelosi , Ried and the gang took over, the economy was booming and the Iraq war sucking.
Since then we have won the Iraq war and the economy has tanked into the ground.
The exact opposite of what the democratic led congress could have hoped for.

The republican law makers are tittering on the brink irrelevance.

The President’s success would have been even sweeter if he’d held to his transparency and review commitment.
Who knows, he might have known, before it passed, what was in it as well!
Maybe he’ll get time to read it himself over the weekend. I hope someone does.

Osama Bin Laden is waking up in his Palm Beach, Florida estate compound (next door to Rush’s) wondering what he’ll get the US Congress to vote for next.

Oh those Drama Queen Republicans! What a bunch of Whiney cry Babies they have become Since President Obama Has been Elected. and the Democrats kicked their sorry #### In the Election,Well congrats to you President Obama lets get to Work! lets get America rolling Again, Ignore the Drama Queens their Just Mad Because our Tax dollars are not going to the Wealthy of the Wealthiest, or our Tax dollars Are not going to Iraq,Ignore them like Half the Country has they will Slither away like the Snakes they are! CONGRATULATIONS PRESIDENT OBAMA!

Stop all the silly comments about which party controlled the congress or white house. You all know perfectly that the congress and the white house are controlled by money, thats the only party that counts.

FDR needed world war II to make his government spending programs work.
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No he didn’t. WWII – which also consisted of even far higher massive Government SPENDING – was helpful to start decades of prosperity.
There were a lot of people who complained about the growing National Debt in the 30s as well: “think about our children and grandchildren!”, they yelled, when the National Debt grew to 120% of the GDP.
The children and grandchildren however lived the most prosperous times in history, even with that massive Debt. It took them ca 30 years to bring the ration back to the level of before the Depression, and they did it without breaking any sweat.

Jake, will you please ask Pres. Obama about this broken promise?:
Read: Broken Obama Campaign Promise Will Kill American Jobs (American Small Business League)
We own a small business and we are pretty sick and tired of government doing everything they can to support the mega-corporations (who line their pockets and fill their campaign coffers) while the small businessman is expected to bail everyone out, including our competition.

What a bunch of Whiney cry Babies they have become Since President Obama Has been Elected. and the Democrats kicked their sorry #### . . . .
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WAAAAAAHH!! EEEEHHH!! Their whines and cries around here are too much for me. So bye-bye, little ones. Take it easy on the vitriol that you keep spitting up.

BDAMN
Do you live in Reality?

“The passage of the $787 billion stimulus bill yesterday…..is a big victory for President Obama.”
Please. This stealfromus package represents a victory for Nancy Pelosi, not President Obama. Obama didn’t even READ the thing.
Why can nobody see he is just an empty-suited, puppet-on-a-string face for the Democratic weasels underneath him? Like a ventriloquist’s dummy, he’s propped up, given a teleprompter and told what to say. I’m surprised he hasn’t drooled water all over his suit.
But I WILL agree with this article when it says the Democrats own this bill. You better believe the Democrats own it – - lock, stock and BARREL. This thing is a DISASTER of wasteful government spending, pork programs and gimme-gimme freebies, none of which will create any wealth, spur economic growth, encourage investment or manufacture goods and services of any tangibility.
This country is sinking, and sinking fast. We might have avoided a catastrophe if a responsible, experienced, conservative person had been elected in November. A severe recession would have run its course, and we would have been on the road to recovery by late ’09. With this DOPE in office and the idiot Congress and Senate behind him, America has sealed its fate. We’re heading into a depression, people, no two ways about it. And beyond that? I shudder to think.
Remember – - the Mayan calendar stops at 2012……

angie–You are a liberal.
Blame your own bad behavior on someone who is also behaving badly.
“Typical” as the President says.

I wasn’t aware the government was supposed to “run the economy.”
I thought business was supposed to be free of government.
This is still the United Sated of America, right? Not the way liberals think nowadays.
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“worker man”
Remember where they get their marching orders from, it becomes all to clear. Barney Franks just said the CEO pay should be regulated by the Government, that is NOT Socialism. It’s what Adolf endorsed under Facsism. Wow it’s staring to sound like 1939 again….in Berlin.

I’m embarassed to hear our president continually evoke JFK, Lincoln, or MLK to scent his questionable policies with a whiff of credibility. Mr. Obama, there’s a huge difference in HAVING character and BEING a character. Make no mistake, this stimulus will fail, not because of political infighting or the public’s lack of faith, but because multi-trillion dollar deficit spending is the cause, not the solution, of our present disaster.

angie–If I were a liberal, I would seek talk therapy, group hugs and a session with Cesar to figure out why my dog bit me.
When the conservative in me tells me to no longer trust that dog.
See the difference?

It is a big gamble and high risk of tax payer money and one can hope that it is used for the intended purpose and achives the goals

A win for President Pelosi–Obama didn’t have anything to do with it except for campaigning.
Everyone knows Obama has a history of poor judgement. He’s just there to make history and look pretty.
All the big decisions are made by Pelosi/Reid.

Before being layed-off, so many people had such worthless jobs, you really think with all the unemployment extensions they are going to want to apply for more of the same? They will dry those unemployment funds up in no time!

Listening to all the Republican blowhards up here whining is music to my ears.

Where can people apply for the 3 million jobs that this bill created? lol
I guess that Caterpillar laid off employees can now go back to work. Obama said that if the stimulus passed they would get their jobs back. Right?

What got us into this mess was a) the Republican Party diverting or allowing to be diverted huge deficit $ into the pockets of the likes of Halliburton, Enron, Blackwater, and Big Banks that failed in their fiduciary duties. What will get us out is funding small businesses, where human capital is combined with financial capital to create real jobs. We are funding the many this time, that is what is different. When you plant many seeds many trees will grow.

West Coast Whats the Change With President Obama? I recall you really didnt like him.
Workerman the Difference with Obamas Spending and Bush Spending
Bush-spent all of our Money In The war in Iraq and Afghanistan
Obama-Wants to Invest Money into AMERICA! And the Future for America

People, don’t be fooled with all the “Job Training” that is included in the Stimulus Bill. The Employment Department’s definition of “Job Training” is supervised resume classes, “Life Skills” masqueraded as job training, Anger Management classes for when you realize you ain’t getting any REAL training, “How to get the most bang from you food stamp budget” classes, and finally, sorting clothes at Goodwill because anyone without a job is labeled mentally ill & alcoholic/addicted!

people can’t pay their debts now so Obama wants to ” get credit flowing”. He must be on drugs. There is no way to fix a debt problem with more debt. All this does is burden my kids with a debt they have to pay back. I view Obama and the Congress as criminals.

Congressional Democrats vote for a bill they have not even read? How insane is that? It is time to get them out Congress in 2010 and stop this stupidity.

Obama rolled over and gave Pelosi the go ahead to write the bill. Turning this over to that nut case Pelosi is beyond belief.

“People, don’t be fooled with all the “Job Training” that is included in the Stimulus Bill. The Employment Department’s definition of “Job Training” is supervised resume classes, “Life Skills” masqueraded as job training, Anger Management classes for when you realize you ain’t getting any REAL training, “How to get the most bang from you food stamp budget” classes, and finally, sorting clothes at Goodwill because anyone without a job is labeled mentally ill & alcoholic/addicted!”
A very nice piece of writing, and all — alas! — true. It will be a re-run of Clinton’s ruinous “welfare reform” (that functionally orphaned zillions of underclass children, with the results we see today in the cities and beyond, while serving up labor for … sub-subsistence corporate slave positions).
The French Revolution doesn’t look so bad from here … these people will never LEARN anything, never shut up, and never share power.
It’s not “bipartisanship” (both ideological flavors of rich people joining in boozy agreement to hype the barely-centrist “Obama” machine) that’s needed, but extending policy beyond the prep-school class — NO member of which has the foggiest idea, when it comes to poverty, “jobs”, housing, or any of that, whereof he/she speaks.

Mad Money. That’s what this comes down to. Obama is a Mad Man with a Liberal agenda and his policies of Trillions of dollars to be printed is purely Mad. It has never, Ever, worked in History to bring back a sustainable economy. Mad Money, Mad President!

How does 6 Billion for ACORN, 20 Billion to see how we can stop treating our elderly, or 20 million for a mouse in San franciso be called stimulus?
The latter maybe if they move the rats from NY to SF to helped there rodent problem!! (or just move the libs from Congress there same thing)
The CBO stated this plan will hurt the economy more, so why dont they listen to their own Congressional Budget Office!!

It is a little too late to argue about it now.
The Dems won, and the GOP lost, now we get to see what happens.

This travesty of a stimulus plan is not a Democrat or Republican issue. It is going to affect every living American and generations to come. There is too little stimulus, the tax cuts are useless and the pork (i.e. Reid’s light rail from Disneyland to Las Vegas or Pelosi’s San Francisco add-ons) are shameful. Put the stimulus into projects that will stimulate. Job training, infrastructure, new technology, etc…not reparations to Filipino WWII vets who don’t live here. Maybe they deserve something, but not in an emergency stimulus bill.

It is time to admit that Obama was the worst mistake in Us electorate history. 11% of this bill is infrastructure construction, the rest is a miserable tax break of $13.00 and then PORK. The rest is pork which will not do anything but support the re-election campaigns of Democrats. This is the worst rape of the American taxpayer in history.

You can’t eliminate income taxes; the Federal Reserve has dibs on that; not a chance in H*LL. You fools OWE the PRIVATE Federal Reserve thanks to YOUR Dedicated Public Servants voting to make you pay and pay and pay, your children to pay and pay and pay, your grandchildren pay and pay and pay, your great…

Jake,
Keep up the professionalism. Everytime I stumble upon a story that seems to be “balanced” and presents both sides, your name as often as not is on the by-line. I suspect you lean left, but it is obvious that you cover the story first. Kudos to you. You are the only reason I watch ABC News.

It is time to admit that Obama was the worst mistake in Us electorate history. 11% of this bill is infrastructure construction, the rest is a miserable tax break of $13.00 and then PORK. The rest is pork which will not do anything but support the re-election campaigns of Democrats. This is the worst rape of the American taxpayer in history.
Posted by: brian | Feb 14, 2009 1:20:39 PM
Did you also throw a hissy fit when Bush passed that stimulus bill, which had NO oversight? What did you want Obama to do? Sit by and do nothing?

Did any of these clowns read the bill???
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Republican House Minority Leader Boehner stated on the Floor yesterday none of the Republicans had read the bill.

“How could they sign this bill without reading it? It’s crazy.”
It is exactly “crazy”. Having them booze it up in the White House every Wednesday is crazy. But presumably, none of these high-flying phonies wants his/her plane to blow up, and besides … being rich is waaay more fun than not.
What’s needed is to overthrow these suckers, before they discover a pressing need for a draft for Afghanistan-Pakistan-etc.
If lawyers can do that — presumably along the lines of taxation-without-representation by a phantom Congress put in place by the corporations that profit from the Porkulus — without getting hung up in court for years, it’ll be great.
If not, presumably “our” leaders face a no-taxes-for-YOU situation in April … how will they bail out California THEN? … if not a revolution from the non-taxpaying-poor these poufs pretend don’t even exist.

This country is sinking, and sinking fast.
We might have avoided a catastrophe if a responsible, experienced, conservative person with ideas and real solutions for reform had been elected in November (McCain/Palin, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney….)
A severe recession would have run its course as per usual, but government reform, tax cuts, spending cuts and delivering power to the AMERICAN PEOPLE (all the things McCain/Palin, Ron Paul and Mitt Romney spoke about) would have put this country on the road to recovery by late ’09.
But no. Instead, we’re straddled with THIS DOPE in office, and with the crooked cabinet, the idiot Congress and the partisan Senate behind him, America has sealed its fate. We’re heading into a depression, people, no two ways about it. THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY’RE DOING.
Depression will lead very desperate people to do desperate things. The last time the world was in a depression, there were no nuclear weapons.
Iran, Russia, North Korea… they’ve already been laughing at Obama and rattling their sabres.
What’s going to happen? I shudder to think.
Remember – - the Mayan calendar stops at 2012……

Remember – - the Mayan calendar stops at 2012……
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Well, that’s all the more reason to spend like crazy. No more worries about “the children”.

There is a reason why Pres. Obama did not get cooperation from across the aisle – He didn’t have any experience in doing so. Claiming to have reached across the aisle during his campaign and actually having some experience in doing so are two concepts that the media and voters of this country didn’t call to account.
Same goes for this stimulus package and his leadership. There are no details or plans that articulate how he will create jobs through this bill. Saying that it will and having a plan that tells how it will be done are two distinct concepts – one is mere rhetoric (what has been seen so far) and the other is based on intellectual thought demonstrating its implementation. If Pres. Obama would demonstrate his intellect, then all of the citizens of this country would be willing to buy into it. Without a plan articulating the details that tell us how such spending will actually create long-term, sustainable jobs, all of the President’s eloquence in oration is only talk with no substance.
The media has elected this administration and now the media owes this country the facts about how this administration will be held to account instead of allowing more empty rhetoric. If the media would use the same efforts it used to discredit the Bush administration to seek out the facts of the Obama administration, the citizens of this country may get some results. Until that happens, there will only be more eloquence and empty promises ahead.
Stay tuned.

Obama keeps saying: Transparency, Accountability, Change, and a whole lot of other words that are put together nicely. However, we have seen broken promises – cabinet appointments that conveniently side step his ethics protocol, a promise to post this legislation for 48 hrs before voting, tax cuts that help all citizens and small businesses (where are they?!), and most importantly – NO EARMARKS!. Well surprise, there are a lot of earmarks spearheaded by Pelosi and the Democrats.
It is cash flow that the American people need. Incentives for first time home buyers and car purchases are wrong – people are cash strapped, unemployed, struggling to pay bills, some are bankrupt, and have poor credit scores from foreclosures – the last thing people can do is buy cars and homes!!
Also, how about eliminate the tax on unemployment income. This is critical cash flow when people need it most to pay bills, mortgages, and food- RIGHT NOW – and yet this is treated as regular income?!
I could go on and on…but when Obama says this legislation will immediately help those in trouble now – i don’t think so.

My answer although you weren’t addressing me.
Yes, I was wicked RIPPED that Bush went along with the BI-Partisan TARP gimmic. I’m still ticked off ot those who supported it. As were EVERY conservative I know.
2nd Question: YES, the CBO said it would be better to let the markets take care of themselves. The HOUSING bubble created by Democrats CAUSED this. The economy would recover in about a year (according to the LEFTist CBO) if left alone. You can read the reports at their website. Try reading.
Posted by: Ed. A | Feb 14, 2009 1:33:59 PM
Thank you for a reasonable answer, unlike the majority of the poster’s on here. I don’t see where doing nothing is going to straighten this mess out. Both parties in some way or another are to blame. Not one of us knows what effect this will have. Until we do, we need to quit arguing.

“By the way only 16% of the package will be spent by the time obama is halfway through his term.”
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It’s actually 74% but Republicans have never been very good with facts and numbers and reality, but we knew that already. That’s why we voted them out of Congress and the WH

This Independent says:
Arrogant, narcissistic, over-reaching, obfuscating Obama. The world is enjoying a belly-laugh watching the novice play at being King!
You can’t believe a word Obama says. You must look for the agenda behind the words! :(

This is 100% the Obama recession now. When this insane pork package is signed, people are going to understand just what an incredible mistake was made in electing Obama. He is doing nothing but trying to buy votes to keep he and his criminal Democrat associates in Congress in office. Obama is now making Bush look good and I thought Buish was an idiot.

Is it just me or does it seem the Republican side is much more interested in hammering the Democrats than working for what’s best for the country? Look at the way they make their members back off if they dare think independently.This country will not survive with this nonsense…I’m right, your wrong…what childishness. We have people in serious trouble and need MATURE leaders who will WORK TOGETHER.

Stick a sock in it Jwench.
You are too much of a hack to realize just who controlled congress the last two years. You are really pathetic.
We sent that message. I see that I probably shouldn’t have. It gave you hacks too much power and now you are completly abusing it.
Posted by: Heidi | Feb 14, 2009 1:43:38 PM
Who was in charge before that? Do you remember? This is exactly why you morons lost the election. People are sick and tired of the GOP’s nonsense. IF you idiots had the answers, then why are we in this mess to begin with. It didn’t happen in the last two flippin’ years!
Did Rushie use the hack word as your talking point for today?

So move to Alaska or Texas
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Hey I resent that! I’ve lived in TX for over 30 years, been trying to make it a Democrat strong hold, it takes time we don’t need those guys here.
Things are changing

So move to Alaska or Texas
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Hey I resent that! I’ve lived in TX for over 30 years, been trying to make it a Democrat strong hold, it takes time we don’t need those guys here.
Things are changing
Posted by: Thinking | Feb 14, 2009 1:54:47 PM
Well if the GOP keeps up the nonsense it will be a Democrat stronghold. Sorry if I offended (there are some normal people in TX).

We might have avoided a catastrophe if a responsible, experienced, conservative person with ideas and real solutions for reform had been elected in November (McCain/Palin, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney….)
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You mean 2000 ?

“How much easier it is never to get in than to get yourself out…. In their beginnings it is we who guide affairs and hold them in our power; but so often once they are set in motion, it is they which guide us and sweep us along.” ~~Montaigne

So move to Alaska or Texas
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Hey I resent that! I’ve lived in TX for over 30 years, been trying to make it a Democrat strong hold, it takes time we don’t need those guys here.
Things are changing
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Ditto! Texas is turning Blue….

It confuses me to see such desperation displayed by our “leaders”. I would like to see confidence and leadership which is positive. We live in a great nation with good people, with good education, a good infrastructure and a positive future but all we hear from Washington is the negative. If you want to lift the country out of its “negativity”, then you have to talk positive. Be like Reagan, not like Carter. Challenge the American people and they will respond. There is too much “me” and not enough “us” going around. If Washington wants my support, then get us off our oil addiction and let’s have a massive dedication to developing an alternative energy supply and distribution system. That will put people to work and have long term benefits a lot quicker than $200 Million for Planned Parenthood.

Bill, you need to rest your case!! the stimulus will make jobs in several sectors, what’s a matter you don’t think building a wax museum is a job! Even if that one is true which as we know fox news lies to it’s stupid base alot and they buy it every time. I think there is a time for a sore loser to give it up but you are not so forward thinking and I guess the so called christians will spend all thier time under everybody else’s sheets worried about a woman’s right to chose and whether somebody is homosexual and if so how do we ruin them and take thier rights away. Well, this seems to be the agenda with the right and now they can add thier outrage that a black man is in the WHITE house, I love it!

Billions to ACORN in order to sign up goldfish and Disney characters.
Money well spent considering ACORN is so
unbiased and nonpartisan.

Kitty, so the alaskans are protecting food? not true at all they sell permits for rich fool hunters who are bored but like to kill animals which they must fly over in the wilderness,to shoot to protect deer and moose or caribou? I think maybe these people need an introduction the the grocery store!

Anybody with a brain left might want to wonder why there’s no “stimulus” for those whose work doesn’t involve payroll deductions … the zillion-member underclass that’s MOST in need of housing, health care, remedial medical care, etc. — the wage-workers among which are apt to be casual labor for the very poufs who are, as in the case of Geithner, presently running the world.
FOOD STAMPS?? Obama’s fake “food stamps” gambit about his corporate mom — who made it onto the corporate gravy train courtesy of Geithner’s father — notwithstanding, uh none of these hot-house hustlers is aware, probably, just WHAT a pain it is to convert Food Stamps into, say, the paper products without which life beyond the edge is apt to descend into total squalor.
Are the poor to pass on toilet paper, in favor of poison peanut butter the FDA can’t trouble its bureaucratic self to prevent?
It is all horse-puckey, mes amis. Whether Pelosi, Reid or Dear Leader Himself has the HIGHEST horse-puckey quotient remains to be seen. So far, it’s about a three-way toss-up.

Liz: black man is in the WHITE house, I love it!……….. Thats all this is to anyone. Forget the US I just want my president to be black. This way of thinking is the reason there is racism. You people who cant stop talking about how much you love your black president are the reason there is racism in the US today. Lets FORGET about skin color and work on the UNITED STATES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Bill | Feb 14, 2009 2:16:07 PM
D’oh what the heck do you think they are trying to do you twit? The democrats are working on it, how about the GOP? Think they can play nice in the sandbox for a change?

Change has come to America, all right – pennies, maybe a dime, perhaps a nickel or two.
Thanks Princess Pelosi and BO. Great job.

He is no history.

Economics 101:
Don’t sign ANYTHING until you’ve read it!!!!
Duh
Sooooooo these are the people who intend to ‘shepherd’ the country thru this…uummm….’recovery’….
[for their pet projects]
In another place….and another time…this would be toooo funny….
But as I watch my country being ‘gutted’ laughing is not an option…….

But as I watch my country being ‘gutted’ laughing is not an option…….
Posted by: J Moore | Feb 14, 2009 2:25:44 PM
Bush did the gutting, Obama is doing the suturing. Obama has been in office barely 3 weeks and he’s destroyed the country already. I find that an amusing take on things.

BlofeldBuildings: “Ronald Reagan is STILL my president.”
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So Bush and Reagan BOTH left us this mess?

bignkeng:
“if they did not read it why did they say it is all full with wastful spending.”
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LOL, nice catch.

Bill it seems to me a Black man in the white house is your problem, it brings up alot if ire in some of you,but not me,I did not really give a rip this past election I was going to do all in my power to help get those lying stealing rebublicans out of their offices and I will do the same next time,until we get some truly conservative republicans with good ideas I want them to just go away. I initially wanted Hillary but had decided if Barack won I would support him fully and I do. He won on donations from all us us not money from the government like McCain. he won and they did’nt, at last something for which we can be thankful. A man of brilliance and vision. We can only hope he came before it was to late.

It is about time Obama goes to work. Instead of giving speeches every day he should be racking his brain on how to fix this economy instead of trying to boost his ratings. This stupid welfare bill is not going to be the answer. He is ALL TALK and people are going to figure that out. To bad it is too late.

Well, the usual tax and spend procedures are now in place for the great Messiah, and his two side kicks, Nancy and Harry. Put down your remote control, and hold on to your wallets, if you work. The great free ride has begun. The political payoffs will be perpetual for the next two years at least! Once again, I am no longer proud to be American. Hey, this statement worked for Messiah’s wife, why can’t we say it now?
Posted by: Shermani | Feb 14, 2009 2:38:04 PM
First of all she never said she wasn’t proud of America. IF you would have heard and read the whole quote you would know that. But Republicans don’t read (evidence in the stimulus bill). Secondly, all the Republicans know how to say is tax cuts. It’s obvious this ‘trickle down” nonsense doesn’t work. IF you don’t like America do the rest of us a favor and find somewhere you do. I love her no matter what.

jwench,Palin is a lying stealing idiot to, that is why McCain chose her, he was able to recognize someone who was like minded. She needs to go back to high school and take some lessons on history and child care, The only good thing about her was that she sealed the deal for us women on the left, no way no how McCain/Palin. It is easy to see why you all like her, to many kids, a hunter of animals she does not need for food and a complete lack of education.

Jake – what do you think of Washington Post’s paean to Obama’s glory this morning
” 24 days into his presidency, Barack Obama recorded last night a legislative achievement of the sort that few of his predecessors achieved at any point in their tenure. …In size and scope, there is almost nothing in history to rival the economic stimulus legislation that Obama shepherded through Congress in just over three weeks.”
Achievement – usually involves exertion and excellence, dilegence and discipline. So were any of these shown by Obama and his Dem Congress?
Shepherd – a guiding hand, knows and cares for all his sheep. Except some of us got the back of his hand already!!!
It don’t take anything at all to tell the majority of your own party to spend whatever you like – just keep it under a trillion and throw in some tax rebates for effect.

disgusted says:
“Is it just me or does it seem the Republican side is much more interested in hammering the Democrats than working for what’s best for the country? Look at the way they make their members back off if they dare think independently.This country will not survive with this nonsense…I’m right, your wrong…what childishness.”
I seem to recall your Messiah say something a couple weeks back:
“I won.”
Childish, no?

Posted by: BlofeldBuildings | Feb 14, 2009 2:48:31 PM
Doen’t really read the posts, do you?

Whatever my political leaning and uncertain feelings toward the new administration..I sincerely hope that this will help anyone suffering from the economic downturn.

1percenter I agree lets all try and do the best we can with what we have so we can preserve the best possible scenario for our kids and grandkids. We are all responsible for this mess,I have tried to live within my means and we have lived a simple life and pay our bills and try to save for our old age, well we need to start over now and only 10 yrs left to retire. But, we must preserve our nation and any one who is not with us is against us, we are at that point in history.Put down your guns,your fear and your hate and let’s get busy!

Whatever my political leaning and uncertain feelings toward the new administration..I sincerely hope that this will help anyone suffering from the economic downturn.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | Feb 14, 2009 2:58:19 PM
I agree. Give him a chance to try and make things better. There are some people worse off than all of us. Those are the people I hope this helps.

Mexico, here we come! Now, you are going to see an exodus of people going BACK to Mexico because of this outrageous stimulus plan

I don’t drink kool aid, or hate or fear or anything not worth paying for, I am sick of politicians but this is the system we live in and I think it is better to make lemonade out of lemons instead of watching them rot, I choose to hope for change in this President and move forward. he has not been in office long enough to judge his work and I like to allow folks time to adjust to a new job,especially when it was given to them already destroyed!

Well you all carry on and fight the good fight of trying to work out the philosophical differences in the left and right. I do know that we are all Americans and proud of it and we will perservere no matter what comes our way! I must go outdoors now and help my husband finish our new greenhouse. Blessings to all on either side…

End the H1B visa program and the economy will take back the BILLIONS of dollars stolen. I do not know why ABC news is the only major news station that doesn’t discuss the economic problems caused by H1Bs. It is political news on the table.
The bailout for banks has attached a provision to prevent hiring of H1Bs using TARP money. Why can’t ABC talk about things pertinent to Americans?

THANK YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA FOR FIGHTING FOR WHAT IS RIGHT, AND WATCHING OVER THE COUNTRY.

We voted Obama into office because Americans wanted a change. We didn’t vote Obama into office to pander to the Republicans’ bad ideas. There was absolutely no reason for the stimulus bill to include any tax cuts in order to please Republicans. With our nation in crisis, eventually 2 or 3 Republicans would have come to their senses and voted for the bill. Obama is so wrong to feel that he must include Republicans in anything.
Republicans have to first prove that they have something worthwhile to offer. The tax cut part of the bill is more of the same that brought us the Bush years and debacles. Shame on Obama for not standing firm for the values and principles he was voted into office to accomplish. Obama stood back and let the House and Senate duke it out, Obama never was leading them by saying “I’ll sign a bill with this and this in it, but not that.” Obama, you ran as a DEMOCRAT, so now live up to the Democratic Party ideals that you spoke about.

Well I guess the bad news is all over the place. Little obama gets his stimulus package. By the way only 16% of the package will be spent by the time obama is halfway through his term. So much for his QUICK JOLT to the economy. Hey here is a good idea that money should go to the people. I did a little math, nothing fancy and defiantly not exact but you get the idea. Oh the math is sooooooooo complicated too. JK. I took the $787 billion and divided that by 300 million which is about how many people are citizens of the US. That equals $2623.33 for every citizen of the US. Now lets cut out those that DON’T PAY TAXES. By the way many of those people that don’t pay taxes live in the huge cities and those cities just so happened to vote for obama. Is this a conwinkydink, I think NOT!!!!!! HEY OBAMA GIVE THE MONEY TO THE TAX PAYERS AND WATCH THE ECONOMY STIMULATE. What will all these people by with there hundreds of thousand of dollars. OH probably cars, houses, pay of debts, and put much of it in the bank. TALK ABOUT A STIMULUS PACKAGE!!!!!!!!! Pretty sure the things I listed are what is wrong with the economy. OH YEAH OUR GOVERNMENT IS A REPUBLIC SO THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD STAY THE HECK AWAY FROM OUR BUSINESSES ANYWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BY THE WAY THE STIMULUS PACKAGE WILL HELP BUILD A WAX MUSEUM IN THE MIDDLE OF FREAKING NO WHERE AND THAT WILL REQUIRE MONEY TO KEEP GOING, GOOD THINKING!!!!!! Now I am not wanting this money though. In fact the government needs to stay the heck out of our lives but THERE ARE BETTER WAYS OF SPENDING $787 BILLION.

There could be no better investment in America than to invest in America becoming energy independent! We need to utilize everything in out power to reduce our dependence on foreign oil including using our own natural resources. Create cheap clean energy, new badly needed green jobs, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. The high cost of fuel this past year seriously damaged our economy and society. The cost of fuel effects every facet of consumer goods from production to shipping costs. After a brief reprieve gas is inching back up. OPEC will continue to cut production until they achieve their desired 80-100. per barrel. If all gasoline cars, trucks, and SUV’s instead had plug-in electric drive trains, the amount of electricity needed to replace gasoline is about equal to the estimated wind energy potential of the state of North Dakota. There is a really good new book out by Jeff Wilson called The Manhattan Project of 2009 Energy Independence Now.

This is the exact same conversation we had when President Clinton’s economic plan rescued us from the Reagan Recession of 1991.
(I call it the Reagan Recession because in fairness to GHW Bush, Bush42 called this theory of “Trickle Down Economics” [i.e., Reagonomics] by the nickname “VOODOO Economics” — but he unfortunately inherited Reaganomics in 1988.)
Clinton’s plan passed with zero Republicans in 1993, who all predicted very loudly that it would fail.
Then they spent the next ten years running on the peace and prosperity of the Clinton years.
Republicans have no idea how to actually run a fair economy or a democratic government.
However, the problem they have in 2009 after 8 years of utter incompetency is, they’ve finally been stripped naked by the American voters.
Good riddance to the Rush Republicans’ idea of “small government.”
The majority of Americans voted for and now support the Democrats’ contrasting idea of “smart government.”
OBAMA BARELY WON AND YOU THINK THE WHOLE COUNTRY VOTED FOR HIM! 52% TO 48%… HE CAN EASILY BE THROWN OUT IN 4 YEARS SO BE
CAREFUL WITH YOUR IGNORANCE!!!

“There was absolutely no reason for the stimulus bill to include any tax cuts in order to please Republicans.”
He RAN as a “Democrat”, but is NOT a Democrat: He’s the semi-dark horse of the ELITE right wing (who DO believe in gay everything, and abortion, and are “good on the environment”) whose other most repellent spokesman is … John Kerry.
If the “middle class” is in trouble, then STOP taxing them. START taxing the rich, and cut out Social Security payments to those with other retirement income (as FDR and the Congress of the time intended).
It’s not as though this is actually COMplicated.

What we have learned from the last eight years is to listen to what a Republican has to say and then do the exact opposite and success will come.

Transparency? Why wasn’t the bill available for 48 hours before the House voted? Oh, it was an emergency? Then why will President Obama wait another 72 hours until Monday evening to sign the bill.
Transparency II. Still think it was an emergency and was only posted on the Internet less than 12 hours before the House voted on the bill. Okay, then was it posted in a PDF format that was not text word-searchable?

We have, Borrow from Chinese and Spend Conservatives lecturing Tax and Spend Liberals. Sure, build schools Iraq not in good old USA. It is amazing that the people who voted for George Bush still got audacity to say a lot. Science took a back seat last eight years, if Obama can’t rivers this trend this country is heading for decline. Those who fear the government can move to Ethiopia, Uganda or Rwanda where the government barely exists. I am sure that they will excel l over there.

Obama’s on a roll and I congratulate him for it! Next, we need to end the H1B program that sucks BILLIONS of dollars on a cummulative bases out of the U.S. economy. The H1B program is rife with scams and fraud — similar to an Indian mafia.
See Business Week Article:
Visa Fraud Sparks Arrests Nationwide
An ongoing federal probe into H-1B visa fraud leads to 11 arrests and the indictment of IT services firm Vision Systems Group
By Moira Herbst
The firm allegedly used fraudulent documents to bring H-1B visa workers into the U.S. The government is seeking the forfeiture of $7.4 million from Vision Systems that was gained through the alleged offenses.

They spent more time whining about how big the document was than working together with the ‘other’ side to get it done with joint ownership.
Posted by: Ed
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Hear, hear.
I would like to ad one thing: “They spent more time whining, especially when there was a camera around”.

debt destroyed the economy and more debt is not the answer. people can’t make payments and Obama wants to loosen credit? He is on drugs. Obama is the biggest mistake ever elected by the voters in history. His actions in creating massive debt on my children is criminal.

@David Chen:
No offense, but your proposals are not based in reality. A ‘tax reprieve’? Well, where do you set the limit? Why shouldn’t the reprieve be for the people who pay the most already? Something like this would never pass Congress.
Refinancing mortgages is fine, but there is a reason why some people are better credit risks than others. Simply lowering the rates does nothing for many who bought too much home with too little money.
It would be really swell if other governments didn’t manipulate their currencies and the whole world could hold hands and sing ‘we are the world’ together. Rather than waiting for this to happen, we’ve got to implement something now. It will be amazing if the world can agree on doing something about our melting planet (and surprise surprise, it’s mostly got to come from India and China if it’s going to work).

The stock market has lost 2,000 pts since Obama was elected.
He just increased our federal obligation/debt load to more than the gross domestic product of all the world combined.
We’re talking unmitigated disaster.
Even the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said his stimulus won’t work and will put America on uneven economic footing. As though we aren’t already there.

Bill: “Well I guess the bad news is all over the place. Little obama gets his stimulus package. By the way only 16% of the package will be spent by the time obama is halfway through his term.”
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You have posted this screed now six or seven times and it still is a lie. It’s 74.2%.
CBO director Douglas Elmendorf:
“CBO estimates that enacting the conference agreement for H.R. 1 would increase federal budget deficits by $185 billion over the remaining months of fiscal year 2009, by $399 billion in 2010, by $134 billion in 2011, and by $787 billion over the 2009-2019 period.”
584 Billion in FY09 and FY10 is 74.2% of 787 Billion.
Do the math.

Those Congressional Democrats sure have made sure that their buddies at Fannie/Freddie Mac were taken care of.
I’ll never forget Barney Frank and other Dems saying that Fannie/Freddie were sound and there weren’t any problems. Idiots.

FDR’s spending did not end the depression, WWII did. Obama’s spending will not end this economic crisis either. You can’t spend your way out of debt, you can only cut costs and increase revenue. This plan does neither. It increases spending and does nothing to increase our country’s ability to “make money”.

you know what is sad and frustrating.
there are good honest people who pay taxes, pay their bills on time, have a family (or not) to support, a nd we are the one that will be made to suffer from this stimulus bill.. congress and the president expects us to be “patriotic” and accept tax increase to pay for their pet projects.
i am hearing that there is a possibility interest rates are going to go up, so it is like a slap in the face to people who pay their bills on time every month.
the news lied to us, they assured us that Obama is not an extreme leftist, and yet he is running so fast to the left that it is hard to keep up. the news is now spinning Gregg’s Withdrawal from commerce as a “oh it’s a nothing job anyways, what is the big deal” it is a big deal.
why is the media mum on the 2,000 point drop in the market?? when it went up by 100pts a few days ago they said “see stock is happy w/democrats stimulus plan” but they stayed mum when it dropped 300 pts when Giethner proposed an empty plan. the market has declined steadily since Obama has been elected. they ignore the obvious and tell us to ignore it to. like ignoring the elephant in the room.
it is amazing how many people swallow it hook, link and sinker because they are so afraid to admit that they had voted in a guy with zero experience. wall street has no confidence in obama, mainstreet is wary of Obama ( good example, caterpillar employees).
for the first time in a long time we are all hving to feel insecure because Obama is lifting sanctions on all thse dangerous countries that want to kill us, building nukes and just want to destroy us.

America will NEVER pay back this debt.
We cannot even afford to pay the interest …
How then?

Common Sense -
There is just no way you or Obama can deny that smart people on Wall Street, economists, analysts, investors, etc. are dismayed at Obama’s plans.
Heck, the stock market reflects that if you don’t want to read the articles or actually take time to watch CNBC.

Thank You President Obama for doing your best to help our country!
Good Bless You!

Patrick Henry – you’re right about the debt.
Our ratings is going to be lowered, economists believe, and then borrowing and our debt becomes MUCH more expensive.
Some countries are thinking about not investing with us anymore or funding our debt.
We’ve lost 3 generations of wealth. And Barney Frank still won’t admit he as wrong when he said that Fannie/Freddie were sound. And that’s who Obama is listening to now which is really infuriating.

No sara in Texas,
thank you president Obama for not listening to the american people and for making us more weaker now.
oh and why does he need a vacation, that makes it 2 time since he was elected and don’t forget the day he fled the white out because he needed a break. so 2 vacations, a break from the white house.. and he’s only been in office almost a month.

Peach: “second highest corporate tax structure”
Wrong. The *effective* US corporate tax rate (that is, after all the deductions and loopholes and incentives) is one of the lowest in the industrial world. The U.S has the greatest number of corporate tax loopholes of any OECD member

Thank you President Obama for spending our children’s children’s money on waste fraud and abuse. You will be adequately rewarded.
And for your next act, bankrupt us all, and we can live like your brother — Wouldn’t it be a lot easier to just give your brother $20 a year?

You’re wrong, Williams. You’ve fallen for the idiotic leftist liberal line that can’t be backed up by fact.
Even during the debates McCain repeatedly said we needed to make sure American corporations no longer moved overseas and the best way to do that was to stop making them pay the second highest corporate tax in the world.
Obama never corrected him. You have to ask why this supposedly brilliant man didn’t correct McCain. I’ll tell you why. Because McCain was right and you are wrong. Period.

Willem: Good point. I’m a tax professional with decades of international experience. Other countries tax structures are different, such as having a second business tax system on top of the income tax system. The US has overall the lowest tax structure I’ve experienced anywhere unless except for the Channel Islands, Bahamas or Caymans.

I know BO is proud of himself.
This win is important to preserve his image.
Like showing off his pecs, giving a speech in Berlin, huge roaring crowds,
fainting women, photo-ops…
It’s all about him and what makes him look good.
You can bet when Obama signs this bill it will be a huge celebration, fireworks and a parade. Images…

Lets just all stop working sit around and do nothing like our congress has done the past 2 years and live off the government pay no taxes and see how they like that stimulus…That way they don’t get a pay check either….If they can do why can’t the American people.

Common Sense – Obama is for the people? Sure, that’s why he just saddled them with generations of debt that we can’t pay back. Keep drinking the kool aid.

Peach: I don’t care who let the foxes into the henhouse – they need to get out!
REDUCE CREDIT CARD RATES.
Why should the banks that we’re bailing out be allowed to continue loansharking Americans?
20% interest rates?
30%?
And you wonder why consumer confidence is in the crapper?

Here are two things you don’t often hear mentioned in the same sentence: Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and a lower corporate tax rate. But it appears the Illinois senator is at least considering such a measure.

Reed – You just said a mouthful.
I’ve said for years that Congress makes laws that they don’t have to live under.
I want to know if they’re going to have their medical records put online, like the rest of us will be forced to do.
Will they let the federal health czar tell THEIR doctors how much care they can receive as they get older?

rwrsok – you may wish to read the paragraph from Forbes magazine I quoted below.
Obama is/was considering lowering the corporate tax rate. You know, the one you say is so low already. snort

Gosh, in that Forbes article I can see that even Rangel wants to lower the corporate tax rate!!!!
So much for the folks here pretending that American corporations already pay one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the world.

Sadly Obama said that this kind of out of control spending “is just a start”. He’s going to ask for approx. $1.5-2.0 TRILLION in TARP money.
It will go to bail out all his corporate buddies and enrich their coffers. At our expense.

Peach: Are you a tax professional?? Do you have any hands-on experience with taxation in both the US and foreign countries?

And among being a tax professional I’m a former CEO who retired at 45. Couldn’t stand being at home while the kids were at school so I started my own practice. Forbes magazine: Not long ago they stated Oklahoma City was the most recession-proof city in the US. People here took that to heart. At present we are having layoffs everywhere and real estate that is not selling.

Bill,
“…as long as we are NOT giving $4b to ACRORN – an organization which both encouraged subprime/junk lending and openly committed voter fraud…I’m ok with this.”
ACORN committed no fraud. ACORN is extremely instrumental in forcing the banks to modify the bad loans the banks made for quick profits. You’re fighting against the wrong enemy if you don’t see that. Listening to ABC News-sponsored Right Wing Fringe Radio is not considered research, btw.

The Puppet’s now downgraded The Porkulus — supposedly an “emergency” measure without which the dam would bust and cannibals roam the halls of Congress, which would rehire the unemployed Caterpillar worker and BLAblabla — to … get ready, kids:
“a major milestone on our road to recovery”
“Major” milestone?? Milestones ARE milestones, hence the name.
What an insufferable crock of self-congratulatory flim-flam.
Meanwhile, a US drone raid on Pakistan has killed thirty-some people, and in A’stan, “President Karzai told al-Jazeera television that there was “crisis” between Washington and Kabul with tension over civilian casualties, arrests and raids.”
No self-serving statements on THESE matters, however, seem to be issuing from the Chicago White House. Go figure.

YES WE CAN!!! tHE aMERICAN PEOPLE FinallY Got OuR BailOut

M.Smith: From where do you get that $65.5 trillion dollar number?

Lawrence: If we had not kept our head in the sand and developed alternative energy years ago America would have retained much more of its capital, not to mention not have funded people like Chavez, the Saudis, etc. to the extent they’ve enjoyed. Special interest groups have convinced the majority of America anything green is bad which is just plain dumb. Gasoline is America’s heroin.

ellsbells930: I’ve lived with, worked with and known many people from countries with national medical care systems. None of them were willing to give up that benefit. I’m lucky, we have medical insurance and my wife is an RN. My mother-in-law died as a result of not being able to afford healthcare, as did one of my best friends. ‘Best’ medical care means nothing if you can’t access it.

rwrsok,
“Forbes magazine: Not long ago they stated Oklahoma City was the most recession-proof city in the US. People here took that to heart. At present we are having layoffs everywhere and real estate that is not selling.”
Your state’s University utilizes more H1Bs than most other universities. H1Bs tend to target successful cities that pay low wages. They also target cities that have had problems with terrorism in the past since they can “improve” previous attacks.

Well said Karen. Jim Inhofe, one of our Oklahoma senators, was re-elected in November on a platform of no earmarks, no pork, etc. Once elected he announced he would be in Washington to bring the money back to Oklahoma. You can bet ol’ Jim who would never vote for the package certainly will not be one to not rake in Oklahoma’s portion of the funds.

someone the other day explained it really good about nationalized health care.
it would be easy to have all of our information on computer (would make it easy for doctor to take a quick look at all the tests i had done). suppose i have an MRI (thank god federal goverment finally approved this scan, even tho i had been waiting for it like 6 months), i was told i had a tumor growing in my brain and i needed major surgery, again i have to wait for federal gov’t approval and for brain specalist to be available. federal gov’t sends a letter to my family 6 months after my death to congratulate me that they have finally approved this surgery and that i can call from a pre-approved list of 4 doctors within a 50 mile radius. wow, you are right, i amsooo for nationalizing healthcare!

Denver-
i am pretty sure that congress voted bi-partisally for approving the Iraq war. i mean year after year they keep approving budget for this war, so i would say that their judgement is pretty weak too. and if Leahy wants an investigation into Bush administration he’ll need to investiage Pelosi, reid, frank, cuz they were pretty much in the know on what was going on. they even said that the president does not need congress approval on certain things. and just on time, court had said that the warrantless wiretrapping was legal just right before Obama is president, paving the way for him to listen in on us just like Bush. so really both side wants it and lvoe it, the only difference is one is incapable of knowing when to keep their mouth shut. take for example Dianne Fienstein just leaked important info regarding drone planes in pakistan, and she ws the one that leaked info on the night stalker when she was mayor. i would prefer to keep democrats out of national security issues, they don’t have the stomach to fight wars so they should stay out of issues like that.

Frontline ran an episode on national healthcare a few months back. Even the UK’s most vocal critic, an English newspaper reporter, admitted only elective surgeries were put on a wait list. When we start to think in healthcare costs in terms of percentage of GDP, then we may find national healthcare is not more expensive than our insurance-based system. It would eliminate your employer’s ability to manipulate your career based on healthcare.

Peach,
“Common Sense – Obama is for the people? Sure, that’s why he just saddled them with generations of debt that we can’t pay back. Keep drinking the kool aid.”
I see you didn’t take my advice and go read something — anything.
Obama didn’t saddle us with debt. Your master CEOs who hired H1Bs and laid off Americans did. How much energy did you expend on making sure to defend the CEO bonuses that displaced your neighbors? Hey wait… Are you from India?

rwrsok -
I’ve been saving articles on national healthcare to my favorites for 10 years. It’s not correct that only elective surgery is wait listed.
The wait for a broken hip can reach 6 months in Canada, for crying out loud.

GW Bush was too arrogant to be a good president. He reminded of that line from Little Big Man when Custer said ‘we don’t change a Custer decision’ just before Little Bighorn. Lets not elect such a person of low intelligence again as George, including Palin.

My question is, why did Obama feel he had to abolish Clintons Welfare Reform that worked so well. We Democrats worked hard for that and now Obama throws it away- why? Billions and Billions were saved.

jaj: Like I said, once we start to consider healthcare costs in the realm of percentage of GDP, then we can get some real answers. To me you advocate not providing healthcare to children. And we are calling ourselves Christians? Looks like the love of money overrides Christ-like compassion.

the stimulus bill willpay for the start of nationalizing healthcare, the democrats have been trying to do this for years and had been vetoed (thanks Bush!)
Daschle even wrote a book saying that to nationalize healthcare you will have to word it differently and sneak it in bills.
and by the way, wasnt it hypocritcal of NYT to call on Dashcle for cheating on taxes but they were mum on Geithner and his was a far more worse offense than dashcle!

The episode is Frontline: Sick Around The World. Its available on Netflix. If you watch it you will see the interview with the UK’s most vocal newspaper critic of national health.

jaj – thanks for injecting actual facts into the discussion instead of someone who is lying about how “wonderful” nationalized healthcare is in the UK.
Even their own papers admit — it’s a broken system.

You better hope that Helen Jones Kelly is not in charge of your Medical records. She was the Obama supporter and keeper of Public records who released private information to the media on that Joe the Plumber guy. Better hope you dont cross Obama and his central database of Information.

rwrsok – how much are you paid to make ridiculous statements like that?
Countries with nationalized healthcare are forced to tax their citizens at a burdensome rate. Now you’re suggesting that because the government-run healthcare isn’t really very good then people should spend MORE money and go outside the system?
What kind of insanity is that? People in the UK and Canada can’t afford to go outside the system unless they’re rich.
Our education system is broken. It’s apparent on this very page.

lauriann – you’re right.
Can you imagine just how much bribery will be going on with federal employees? And hacking.
Big bucks will be paid to see just how much Joe Biden spent for his hair plugs, for example.
Although my guess is that Legislators will exempt themselves from this lousy, rationed care system.

I need to clarify my position: I am not saying national healthcare systems are perfect or are without their critics. I am saying our healthcare system does not provide everyone healthcare, that our system serves Fortune 500 companies’ interests and we are probably under a false impression our healthcare system is more cost-effective than it really is. We can do better.

This stimulus package includes a provision that limits care to seniors that the government thinks is to expensive. Medicare will be deny payment of some treatments to seniors. Now we have the government telling doctors who they can treat and who should die. This is outrageous !!! Way to go Obama!!

rwrok – yeah – we can do better. But it’s not with the UK system which is broken and which the spending bill is based on.

Yes, CW. Wait until Democratic voters start seeing their parents denied Alzheimers medication or catarac surgery or hip replacement surgery. They’ll be so sorry they voted for this poseur.

But what am I saying – Obama has hired so many tax cheats and lobbyists to his administration that he doesn’t care that it didn’t make sense his own party had not read the bill.
It was somewhat excusable that Republicans didn’t read it. They knew the gist of it and knew they were going to vote against it.
But Democrats who knew they were voting for it didn’t know half of what they were voting for. It was a riot watching Democrats in Congress interviewed and admitting they knew virtually nothing about what was in the bill. Nothing.
This is not representative government. It’s like the Mafia running the country.

common sense- please go do more research. the daily beast, which is a liberal paper, did an article on this and they said that Giethner was far more offensive because he only paid half of his taxes when he was being vetted for the treasury sec. position.
plus when he was working for IMF, he signed (that means he knew what he was signing)a paper stating that he would have to pay back SS and medicare taxes then he proceeded to collect that very money from IMF thgat was meant to pay taxes and pocketed it himself, again that means he knowly collected money that he was not supposed to keep and spent it for himself.

Tax cheats are not party specific. We should take this opportunity to audit all Congressmen, Senators, cabinet member (including the Bush cabinet members) and maybe even the Supreme Court justices.

CommonSense: I agree re GM, etc. When they made those remarks I instantly thought: Jeez, so the Japanese workers don’t get healthcare? Obviously they do and that healthcare is funded through their employers in one form or another.

Peach, Obama is not proposing a Beveridge type of healthcare systems, he’s advocating a Bismarckian type.
Second, stories about how others think their own “healthcare systems” are broke is nothing new. Every country in the world is struggling to get the best care for the lowest cost possible.
Except the US of course. Here we try to get the worst care possible for the highest cost. There is not ONE country in the world that wants to emumlate our system. Not one.

Rwrsok-
‘Tax cheats are not party specific’
and yet it has been popping up on the democrat side more and more lately. it is like a “no for me but yes for you” kind of mentallity.
personally i think we need to even congress out. no more majority (liable to fall into corruption). now with a dmeocrat majority, their frauds are beinbg exposed. it will be the other way around when it is arepubilican majority. we have been told for soo long that it is always the republcians who are tax cheat and racists and yet they are being exposed more and more as racist and tax cheat. the media is doing a bang up job of covering it but they can’t keep doing it to long.

hhp258, did you know that you have been lied to? And that you are in turn spreading lies around?

The Democrats are in the spotlight due to the cabinet selection process. No one went out on a general audit exercise across party lines and found the headliners of late. I do taxes, and believe me Republicans are just as likely to cheat as anyone.

Billiebob-
you forgot to add, all law abiding citizens who pay taxes.
i can see Pelosi screeching that only tax paying americans canget the stimulus.

A trillion dollars down the drain.
Its a sad day and they are calling this a victory. I wonder how long before Turbo Tax Timmy takes the fall for this plan.

Dashcle had too many other flags in his background that he and the Democrats didn’t want addressed. He made over $5M the past two years doing lobbyist work for a DC law form without registering as a lobbyist and from giving speeches and consulting with medical insurance companies around the country. Also, he was a big influence in the “corn-only” ethanol laws in this country that prohibit us from using sugar for ethanol and force us to use the corn, a process that costs more than it saves in using ethanol instead of petroleum based products.

Common Sense,
Americans need to wake up. George Bush messed everything up and nobody said anything to him, we all watched him lead the country into corruption. Obama inherited all these mess. All we need to do is to stop the hate comments and support and wish President Obama the best.

Taxcheats: In reality the only group with a low rate of cheating on their taxes are those whose income is reported on forms W-2.

Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Baltimore – for years, years and years have been the trash heaps of America – run by whom? – DEMOCRATS FOR YEARS, YEARS AND YEARS. AND NOW THOSE GREAT ACHIEVERS HAVE BEEN TRANSFERRED TO WASHINGTION VIA OBAMA. WONDERFUL!!

I’m just glad Judd Gregg got out while the getting was good. This Obama administration is quickly becoming a Boat Anchor on the United States.

just a quick comment about limits on executive compensation particularly related to banks that receive bail out money. the comment was made that a “brain drain” would occur once executive pay is capped.
am i not mistaken in that assuming these investment geniuses at the banks are way over compensated in the first place? isn’t it their policies and decision making abilities that have lost untold millions on behalf of their shareholders and thereby affecting innocent people? isn’t it a paradox that we want to reward failure by paying people more for performing worse?? most people lose their jobs with this kind of performance. long live american greed. it is reported that they’ve already have found ways around the limits and the bill isn’t even signed into law yet. it’s sad.

rwrsok:
Are you saying that you ask your
clients what their political persuasion
is when you do their taxes?
How exactly do you know when you’re doing the taxes of a Republican or Democrat? Your post is ridiculous!

“This is NOT a VICTORY for President
Obama by any stretch of the imagination.”
Well, more than twice as many Democrats voted AGAINST Porkulus as Republicans voted FOR Him.
And Senator Kennedy didn’t bother to pull off another resurrection to participate, so Obama had to content Himself with quoting JFK.

How is $8billion dollars on high speed rail line between Disneyland and Las Vegas going to stimulate the economy? The Democrats own this bill and when it fails will have to suffer the consequences. Right? Wrong. They’ll just blame Bush, and everyone else for their failures (as usual). Reaganfan…and others who posted here that agree with him/her…you couldn’t be more on it. This bill is filled with Pork and does absolutely nothing to stimulate the economy. All it does is boost Obama’s ego. but then again, that’s just my opinion.

rightsideofmymind – OUTSTANDING POST – THANK YOU!!!

manitu:
More proof that President Obama has
the liberal media in his hip pocket.

I fully expect to find out next week that Obama has nominated yet another tax cheat to his cabinet.
Americans should demand a tax audit of the administration officials and then all of Congress.
It’s time we stop letting them pass laws that they get to bypass.

Victoria Evans-Tettey – Facts Please!!! not opinions!!
The current mess is fully on the backs of Libs!!

Jake, your headline is right. This was a win for O.
And a loss for America.

rwrsok – I know two people who a year & a half ago both were having severe gall bladder attacks. One lives in the U.S. and one in England. Guess which one has her’s out in under a week & which one had to wait 9 months to have her’s out? Don’t tell me that European healthcare is better. I used to work with a woman from England whose brother broke his leg. It took weeks for it to be set properly. He was told it was because he didn’t have to stand for work, so it didn’t matter if he had to use a cane for the rest of his life. Yeah – European healthcare is soooo much better

Gosh, we were told it was crucial that the spending bill get passed ASAP.
So then what did Obama do when it passed? He went on a 3 day vacation. And still hasn’t signed it.
So if it was an emergency, why hasn’t he signed it and is vacationing instead?

Headlines in some papers today (no kidding):
Obama to hold fiscal responsibility summit.
ROFL
Posted by: Peach | Feb 15, 2009 7:32:56 AM
I don’t know why you find that amusing. He wasn’t the one who created this mess. As far as your other post. He said he would wait 5 days so that the public could read the bill. So what if he took a weekend away from Washington. It doesn’t mean he still isn’t working.

Jwench -
Actually, Obama promised he would post non-emergency bill on the WH web site for review and comment.
Is the bill on the WH web site?
Bambi didn’t create this mess you say? Hello? He was in Congress for 2 years and he and his fellow democrats ignored warnings about Fannie/Freddie Mac for several years.
In fact, Barney Frank said in 2007 and again in early ’08 that Fannie and Freddie were fiscally sound.
Gosh, I just love that Congress constantly whines about being a “co-equal branch of government” but then when things go sour they disavow any responsibility.

Ahem. Jwench -
Apparently you haven’t heard how many economists have said that doing nothing would be better.
The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (filled with Democrats, by the way) have said the spending package will hurt the US economy.
Did you know that the Democrat controlled Congress has a 9% approval rating which is the lowest in our nation’s history? So apparently I’m not the only one “without anything good to say”. At least about Congress.
Maybe Obama should buy a clue that the market has tanked 2,000 pts since he was elected and dial it back a bit.
He constantly whines that irresponsible spending got us where we are. And then goes out and spends nearly a trillion dollars and says he’s going to ask for another 2 trillion. Glad that’s all making sense to you.

Jwench -
Actually, Obama promised he would post non-emergency bill on the WH web site for review and comment.
Is the bill on the WH web site?
Bambi didn’t create this mess you say? Hello? He was in Congress for 2 years and he and his fellow democrats ignored warnings about Fannie/Freddie Mac for several years.
In fact, Barney Frank said in 2007 and again in early ’08 that Fannie and Freddie were fiscally sound.
Gosh, I just love that Congress constantly whines about being a “co-equal branch of government” but then when things go sour they disavow any responsibility.
Posted by: Peach | Feb 15, 2009 7:51:50 AM
This mess wasn’t just created in the last 2 years. Both parties had a hand in it, so to blame just the Democrats is stupid.
If the GOP was as fiscally responsible as they wish us to believe there were 6 years previous to that, they could have done something as well.
Getting into an unjust war didn’t help either. I guess that one is Obama’s fault too. Look how much money has been thrown into something that should have never taken place. Now that we are there, yes we do have to support the troops so that they can do the best job they can and stay safe.

And that’s an entirely separate issue about the warn and something I disagree with you entirely about how “unjust” it was.
After 9/11 I told my husband we had to go into Iraq and I fully support that war. But let’s stick to the topic at hand – fiscal responsibility.
And you seem to be ignoring my central position several posts down -
Obama whines for weeks that the spending bill was a national emergency.
If waiting 4 days to do something so he can go on vacation is how he plans to handle national emergencies, we’re in for a long 4 years.

Jwench,
Your post was completely non-responsive. It would be entirely too easy to watch libs post on sites like this and respond to posts with:
“I get so tired of seeing the CNN talking points”.
But that’s lazy thinking and posting. But if it’s all you’ve got, it’s all you’ve got.

Posted by: Peach | Feb 15, 2009 8:45:26 AM
Maybe you should learn to read. He also said he would give the public 5 days to look over it. IF you can’t do the research to find the bill, then that’s your fault. If you are really that interested go find it, I did.
If these GOP congressmen/women voted no to the bill, then they being the ethical elite should not take ANY money from it. I thank the other poster further down who brought that up. You can’t say no then turn around and put your hand out.
I could sit here and argue back and forth all day, but what for? Obviously you have it in your head that no matter what Obama does it isn’t right. I hope if this works you come back and post your comments. I would really love to see your response.
As for GWB I gave him the benefit of the doubt many times during his Presidency, although I didn’t vote for him either time. I was against going to war with Iraq from the beginning because it had nothing to do with 9/11. I have my own thoughts of why we actually went there.
It’s obvious people thought he was not on the right track by his approval ratings. Do you want more of the same? I certainly don’t. That’s exactly what we will get if we keep listening to the party of NO. If we wanted more of the same we would have elected John McCain and Caribou Barbie.
Have a nice day!

Would have been nice if he had given the Republicans “5 days to read it” before holding a vote on it.
Transparency? – Just another broken promise.
Jwench – ROFLMAO … at you.

This so called stimulus plan is a bad idea. The economy has and will go down. If left alone, it will heal itself, and come back up. Trying to throw good money after bad, has never been a good idea. People need to accept some responsibility for their own situations. Stop throwing away money on things you don’t need. Get rid of those cursed credit cards. Be frugal with your spending. If your job is gone, retrain for something else, or start some kind of small business of your own. If you can’t make 50,000.00 a year anymore, so what ? Make do with 25 or 30 thousand, millions do and many with even less. The Gov’t can’t, and shouldn’t be your constant caretaker. And lastly, stop driving so much, you don’t have to constantly running. Stay home more, and for Gods sake, save your money ! As there may vey well come a time, when the Gov’t either can’t, or won’t bail you out. What then ? Save now, while you still can, and stop trying to live beyond your means.