A Sarcastic John McCain Tweets Top 10 Porkiest Projects
"Tmr I am gonna tweet the TOP TEN PORKIEST PROJECTS in the Omnibus Spending bill the Congress is about to pass," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., wrote on his Twitter page yesterday.
And today he did.
They are:
"#10. $1.7M "for a honey bee factory" in Weslaco, TX
"#9. $475,000 to build a parking garage in Provo City, Utah
"#8. $200,000 "tattoo removal violence outreach program to could help gang members or others shed visible signs of their past" REALLY?
"#7. $300,000 for the Montana World Trade Center – enough said
"#6. $1 million for mormon cricket control in Utah – is that the species of cricket or a game played by the brits?
"#5. $650,000 for beaver management in North Carolina and Mississippi"
McCain had tweeted a question about how one manages a beaver, but he deleted it after the comment provoked a twizzard.
"#4. $2.1 million for the Center for Grape Genetics in New York – quick peel me a grape.
"#3. $332,000 for the design and construction of a school sidewalk in Franklin, Texas – not enough $ for schools in the stimulus?
"#2. $2 million ‘for the promotion of astronomy’ in Hawaii – because nothing says new jobs for average Americans like investing in astronomy"
And 30 minutes ago, Mr. McCain finally offered the big payoff:
"#1. $1.7 million for pig odor research in Iowa"
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“#10. $1.7M “for a honey bee factory” in Weslaco, TX”
Not sure if McCain is aware of this but there’s been a massive die off of honey bees and they are vital to our food production thru pollination.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 27, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
i find it funny how Republicans voted for some of the porkiest bill their constiuients put forth when Republicans had power, and NEVER uttered a word but when they are not in control, they want to point out everything Democrates propose in the bill. I agree like all Americans, we should “cut the fat” everywhere but please dont try to play the American people like idiots and have us believe that Republicans never passed ridiuculous spending bills. All I want is for SOMEONE with really integrity to me the truth and come up with a logical solutions…is there anyone out there???
Posted by: angel | February 27, 2009, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
The “honey bee factory” in Weslaco is actually a major research foundation for bees. Anyone who’s not been living in a cave is aware that bees face extinction globally, and anyone with a little bit of scientific literacy, can see the importance of bee pollination in plant and crop growth. The 2 million astronomy promotion probably pertains to an observatory. Hawaii’s isolated location would make it a good site for astronomical research. Belittling science along with advancing creationism are obviously two distinct traits of Republicans.
It’s fine that McCain would like to repair his reputation as being technologically illiterate, but then, neither he nor Jake should be disparaging projects without having any background information on them. This also reads like a recycling of a Jonathan Karl report last week. Good Night.
Posted by: kat the real one | February 27, 2009, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
“Not sure if McCain is aware of this but there’s been a massive die off of honey bees and they are vital to our food production thru pollination.
”
Mr. McCain is aware of it..
and that’s why he didn’t object to Bee reseach.
But one factory in one town is PORK
Posted by: Realilty | February 27, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
I agree with Ryan C on the honey bees, but most of McCains other items are valid, and maybe even the honey bees, depending on if this is the appropriate way to solve that problem funding a single factory in a specific state.
I would really like the Congress to show some leadership and deal with the serious issues of job creation. They need to swear off these types of parochial projects, until the economy seriously approves and we start reducing the deficit. I know this may be a while, but the approval rating of Congress is low for a reason.
Posted by: Mary OK | February 27, 2009, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
And apparently the good senator hasn’t driven through Iowa in late August to take in the wonderful aroma of the hog lots.
Posted by: S B | February 27, 2009, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
“This also reads like a recycling of a Jonathan Karl report last week.”
It is.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 27, 2009, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
“I agree with Ryan C on the honey bees, but most of McCains other items are valid, and maybe even the honey bees, depending on if this is the appropriate way to solve that problem funding a single factory in a specific state. ”
Each one should be looked at for its merits.
I applaud McCain for holding up his promise of pointing out pork but I don’t think sarcastic tweets help.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 27, 2009, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
“Mr. McCain is aware of it..
and that’s why he didn’t object to Bee reseach.”
So he puts in in a sarcastic tweet?
“But one factory in one town is PORK”
You prefer there be handful of bee research centers scattered across the US?
As kat mentioned that city is the location of a major bee research firm.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 27, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
I applaud McCain for holding up his promise of pointing out pork but I don’t think sarcastic tweets help.
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What, pray tell, is sarcastic about the following tweet:
#10. $1.7M “for a honey bee factory” in Weslaco, TX
That is the entire tweet from his twitter page.
Posted by: MayBee | February 27, 2009, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
McCain’s better than Hannity at this juncture. Hannity lied about the mice and railway and the republicans fell for it hook, line and sinker. I think that the police guarding rich people’s homes and neighborhoods is a porky project. Let’s take that out, k?
Posted by: Common Sense | February 27, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
What, pray tell, is sarcastic about the following tweet:”
Granted text sarcasm is hard to pick up but when something is put in quotes it usually denotes sarcasm.
As in $1.7M for a quote unquote bee factory.
Not always of course but when I said sarcastic tweets I was referring to the body of tweets rather than that one specific when referring to tone. Jake apparently agree as that is how he titled the article.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 27, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
Gee, I’m wondering if those helicopters that
he was criticizing as excessive spending a few days ago were manufacture in HIS State, would be up there protesting it? Hmmm. If you say “probably”, maybe
that is why there are no major manufacturers in
the State of Arizona.
Posted by: spacerook1 | February 27, 2009, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
McCain is an idiot! 4 of the 5 so called pork items in the bill are for “Red States” Republican states that voted for the moron. Did any of you notice that? Stupid old man!
Posted by: roxanne | February 27, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
My fellow democrats, like Obama answered his call to duty, this is your call. Please donate your intelligence and intellect to help society’s charitable cause. The comments on this right-wing losers blog is all the proof you should need to determine how dire the situation is.
We have pacified the regulars by giving them an ‘A’ in sarcasm (Rush 101). However, for ethical reasons, we cannot simply ‘pass’ them into society as they have failed the most critical class (Human 300).
We really need to help them succeed. Much patience is required, but please do your civic duty. Please help pull your misguided republican brethren up out of the gutter.
Thank you in advance. :-)
Posted by: Common Sense | February 27, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
Apparently there must not be any pork heading to his state. Perhaps if he denouced the spending heading to his home state then maybe I’d listen to him.
However AZ is amongst the top for foreclosures….perhaps we should cut off the funds for his state and see how happy he is.
Also note the lastest report from the government (2005) shows that Arizona recieves more in Fed spending than Arizona pays in taxes. Pretty socialistic huh?
Posted by: GM from MN | February 27, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
Stuff like what was mentioned above makes me want a third party so badly. Remember that the Republicans spent lots of money on stupid pork projects too. If their party wasn’t led by loons like Huckabee, Jindal, and Palin, maybe the more electable Republicans could use earmarks as a campaign issue to try and revive their party. Just don’t criticize stuff that is necessary-like volcano monitoring. That would be my advice.
Posted by: Clinton Democrat | February 27, 2009, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
At least now we know that McCain reads ABCNews.com. He must of copy and pasted his remarks from the article by Jonathan Karl last week. I thought the article was stupid then and I do now.
Posted by: dave | February 27, 2009, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
#.5. $169,300 annually for John McCain to engage in little more than non-productive snark?
Posted by: gm | February 27, 2009, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Here’s a little bit about honey bees that should justify it being in the bill “Honeybee colonies are dying or disappearing in record numbers, with potentially devastating effects on agriculture and food supplies. What is causing the dramatic decline of honeybee populations in the U.S. and elsewhere, and what is being done to solve the problem?”
Posted by: SamTyler1973 | February 27, 2009, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
“bee research” is a pork project of Cornyn and Hutchison (republicans). still pork does put people to work. i would like to research bees. we do really need them.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 27, 2009, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
SamTyler1973 – While saving the honeybees is an honorable thing, it is NOT stimulative to the economy. All of the items NOT directly related to creating jobs in a timely, targeted manner should NOT have been in the bill. Therefore, it is PORK.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 27, 2009, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
If it looks like a rose and it smells like a rose then a prudent person would call it a rose, but if you have to justify why you voted for Obama then they are well thought out projects!!
ROFLMAO
Keep up the good work Mr McCain
Posted by: whathappened08 | February 27, 2009, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
maybe Senator McCain should just go to work for Limbaugh? “pray tell” is a registered trademark of the pseudo-erudite pilonidal cyst know as the Rush Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 27, 2009, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
have you read what happens to us when there are no bees? be careful of what you call “pork” because it may affect your life.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 27, 2009, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
If you recall during the presidential campaign, McCain attempted to point out ‘pork’ in Illinois, specifically $2M for a public observatory. As typical, it was a half truth, as the total project was something approaching $7M with local private funding along with local government funding. So once again, McCain fails to do his homework and fires biased accusations across the media airwaves. Shame on you once again. Look at all the facts, not just the ones that suit your case/agenda.
Posted by: Robert Dent | February 27, 2009, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
While everyone focuses on the honey bee project, the big picture is, as usual, getting lost.
How, exactly, do any of these project stimulate the economy? The money will be handed over to a state or local government or a business or some other organization and those entities will decide what to do with the money.
As we have seen with the TARP funds, the government handouts are not being used to benefit more than a few.
Why should we expect the handouts in the so-called stimulus bill to be handled any better?
Government handouts are engraved invitations to corruption and those invitations are invariably accepted.
Posted by: MizFW | February 27, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
the cost of bee related foodstuffs will raise over 500%. if they all die off we are in trouble. check out google scholar or just google.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 27, 2009, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
The Senator certainly has a bright future ahead of him in vaudeville.
Posted by: Danny | February 27, 2009, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Dow down 26% since Messiah elected.
The investors know…
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | February 27, 2009, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
However AZ is amongst the top for foreclosures….perhaps we should cut off the funds for his state and see how happy he is
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Arizona is one of the top 5 states in NUMBERS of forclosures. However the top 5 states in terms of DOLLARS are Californis, Florida, New York, New Jersey and Illinois.
Posted by: mad | February 27, 2009, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
How did McCain do that when he doesn’t know how to use a computer?…lol
Posted by: Jwench | February 27, 2009, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Seems to me that if there is any real danger of bees dying off, and if their dying off would be really catastrophic, the likes of Donald Trump, Boone Pickens et al. would be rushing in to capitalize on saving them. The fact that the federal government is rushing in to save them–if that is what it thinks it is doing (and who knows?)–is not reassuring.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | February 27, 2009, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Then add to it the wetlands money for Pelosi mouse, the not ready technology for maglev railroad from Nevada to LA for Reid, plus numerous other pork laden items. The Dems believe it doesn’t matter where you spend the money as long as it is spent. Obama promissed us infrastructure improvements on railroad, bridges and roads. We got 9% of that in the stimulus package. We got money for social programs and to push the Democrat agenda. We have Democrat chairman Rangel, Dodd, Frank, Murtha with ethics violations still in their positions and protected by Pelsoi and Reid. We have Obama and his Treasury Sect who everytime they open their mouth the stock market drops. Obama want your 401k/IRA to be worthless so you;ll have to depend on the govt and social programs will be more popular. Obama spreads doom and goom to push his spending bills. Obama is the worst President we have had since Carter. The US will be in deeper trouble with his budget proposals. This is worse than anyone could have imagined with Democrat control of Congress and the Presidency.
Posted by: jschmdit | February 27, 2009, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
If McCain is against something then it must have some worth and should be done.
Posted by: Jwench | February 27, 2009, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
“How, exactly, do any of these project stimulate the economy?”
This is the budget bill not the stimulus.
Please try and keep up.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 27, 2009, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
“Then add to it the wetlands money for Pelosi mouse,”
A BS talking point made up out of thin air.
” from Nevada to LA for Reid, plus numerous other pork laden items”
Also a made up talking point.
“But I have to take issue with this?
the not ready technology for maglev railroad”
I realize right wingers are only concerned with technological innovations like the step gate on a pickup but high speed maglev trains have been in use for 2 decades.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 27, 2009, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
Boy! They’re getting pretty desperate if that all they can come up with.
All of those together amount to about 14/10,000th of a percent of the total bill.
Posted by: rgkcpa | February 27, 2009, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
$10.5 million of pork in a $750 million appropriations bill… that’s 1.4% pork, not bad, not bad at all.
Posted by: robert speckert | February 27, 2009, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Krugman, New York Times:
And even if fundamental health care reform brings costs under control, I at least find it hard to see how the federal government can meet its long-term obligations without some tax increases on the middle class. Whatever politicians may say now, there’s probably a value-added tax in our future.
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Krugman doesn’t say how far into the future taxes have to rise on the middle class.
But he does see a VAT in our future.
Posted by: mad | February 27, 2009, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
Sen. McCranky “tweets” with sarcasm? How else. He does everything with sarcasm.
Posted by: B. Bear | February 27, 2009, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm
ryan- then tell me why Murtha has put money in the busget every year for a maglev from Pittsbugh to Phiilly and it is still not built. So how fast can that railroad be built to do any good for the stimulus. It is not shovel ready. The welands money will save the mouse around San Fran hence it’s Pelosi mouse. The stimulus was full of pork funding for social program which will not result in many jobs. Obama holds the record of more money spent in 1 month in office. Ridiculous.
Posted by: jschmidt | February 27, 2009, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
I heard it through the grapevine that was saved by the bees that all the ‘pork’ added to the bill(s) were the contribution of the repubs. Is that true? If so, the republicans should be ashamed of themselves — again.
Posted by: Common Sense | February 27, 2009, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
Obama is the BEST president this country has ever had!!
Posted by: Johnny | February 27, 2009, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
This was actually a routine appropriations bill from last fall, not something Obama came up with. If Grampa Simpson was so concerned about the “pork” why didn’t he do his job and participate in the appropriations process? Oh yeah, he was too busy getting his butt kicked by Obama.
More than 40% of these “earmarks” are from Republican lawmakers. Now the right wing is turning on each other to demonstrate who’s the most fiscally responsible. They must have been sleeping while W spent money like a drunken sailor and turned a budget surplus into a record defecit.
Posted by: Jet City Atheist | February 27, 2009, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
This was actually a routine appropriations bill from last fall, not something Obama came up with. If Grampa Simpson was so concerned about the “pork” why didn’t he do his job and participate in the appropriations process? Oh yeah, he was too busy getting his butt kicked by Obama.
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What a failure Obama must be if his supporters have to blame a bill passed under his presidency,is blamed on the former president.
And hypocrisy of all hypocrisies – the president himself who swore off earmarks (after signing a stimulus bill that was nothing but) has his own earmark in the bill.
Obama, like his supporters, is a joke.
Posted by: Plumber | February 27, 2009, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
Well that was a grammatical travesty. Sorry about that.
Posted by: Plumber | February 27, 2009, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
Would be interesting for some to tweet the porks over the last eight years for the Republicans. They would certainly exceed ten notes and sewn together, got sufficient music for a symphony.
To go further, if the supply contracts to Iraq war are no pig squeaks, then there must be enough beef for the cows to moo to the moon … so the cocks would crow … to the distant sun.
Posted by: Wilson C. Wy Tiu | February 27, 2009, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
McCain would like us to believe the reason he never used computers, and didn’t know how to use them during the campaign, was due to war injuries. Now we see him twittering? OH PLEASE….this guy is trying to be cool now by learning a new trick. Are we supposed to be impressed?
Posted by: LifesAJourney | February 27, 2009, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
Obama lied and the earmarks didn;’t die.
Posted by: jschmidt | February 27, 2009, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
Bush looks like a tightwad compared to Obama’s massive spending; increasing the deficit by so much in one short month. Other countries are becoming aware of this reckless behavior and asking Hillary to guarantee their investments before they give anymore money.
Posted by: whathappened08 | February 27, 2009, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
John McCain is getting crankier by the day. I believe it would be better for his health if he would just retire.
Several of these “earmarks” at least show to have very legitimat reasons for federal funding.
When McCain has not heard of the Colony Collapse Disorder in beehives for honeybees in the last couple of years – and its implications for agriculture and foodprices – he has no business being a senator.
When he has no idea what b e a ver management entails – to prevent them from flooding areas that are inhabited by humans or which are valuable for industries or agriculture – he has no business being a senator.
Tattoo removal for former gangmembers who want to better their lifes but have difficulty finding jobs because of their offensive tattoos is bad? When McCain does not understand this, he has no business being a senator.
I would advice McCain to google “Mormon Cricket Control in Utah’s West Desert” to just check what the problems are. This is another example where it’s usually better to keep your mouth shut when you don’t know what you are talking about. Doesn’t McCain have a staff that could have prevented him from sticking his foot in his mouth?
Same goes for pig odor. McCain has never been to Idaho? Has never spent a nice summer evening in the outdoors in the neighborhood of a mega hogfactory, or having to close his windows in the summer because the stench is unbearable? How that hogfactory deminishes the value of your house or makes life unbearable at times?
Sidewalks for a school is bad? Doesn’t McCain want to provide a safe way for students to walk to and from school. I’d like to see the reason for this request before judging this is “bad pork”. How many kids have had (fatal) accidents near that school?
Montana is not allowed to increase international trade through public-private partnerships, business networking, and student education? How is this bad?
I could go on and on but this is a totally ridiculous list from a man who has lost his bearings.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 27, 2009, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
LifesAJourney- maybe you should read about McCain before mouthing off about him. The twittering uses a phone keypad, Quite different from typing with any speed from a keyboard. Plus having your hands in a position over a keypad for any period of time could be difficult considering the torture he had gone through. The man can’t lift his arms over his head. You guys are aweful. My suggestion is to have someone tie you up with your hands behind your back and string it up so your arms are are almost pulled out their sockets. Then stay that way for 3 days. See how well you work a keyboard.
Posted by: jschmidt | February 27, 2009, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Every penny the government spends is good, because it goes to somebody.
And in these near-catastrophic times, we must do what the fear monger Bush never asked us to do. We must all share the sacrifice of watching the “rich” pay for whatever sounds like a semi-beneficial plan.
Posted by: MayBee | February 27, 2009, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Hmmm…this is the guy who wanted to fight 4 wars. Iraq, iran, russia and afghanistan. I bet that would have cost alot more than investing in America and would have wreaked alot more havoc.
Posted by: kellamd | February 27, 2009, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Yeah – definitely let’s not fund science of any kind, and darn those kids for not wanting to slog through the mud and/or dust to get into their school! Let’s stay filled with hate, shall we? Obama’s ideas are all stupid. Let’s just think Republican. I think it’s funny that McCain can Twitter, but can’t email….
Posted by: sevresblue | February 27, 2009, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
Mr. Obama tells us to sacrifice, but he goes out and spend trillions.
Posted by: young_voter | February 27, 2009, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
It always seems as if Repubs seize upon something that sounds a little off without even thinking about how it could be beneficial. Jindal bad mouthing volcano monitoring was just plain stupid since, well you know, his state just was under a natural disaster and a volcano is about to erupt in Alaska (Mt. Redoubt almost crashed a plane last time it erupted in 1980 since they didnt get warning.) The dieoff of honeybees is a big problem for many farmers, I know a few who actually pay to have a beekeeper bring hives to their crops for a period of time to pollinate their trees or plants. Although I do believe McCain may have a point with the tatoo removal, parking garage, and Mont. world trade center. Those all seem a little silly…course two of those are in republican dominated states so maybe again…not thinking.
Posted by: Ordermonger | February 27, 2009, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
sevresblue said “Yeah – definitely let’s not fund science of any kind, and darn those kids for not wanting to slog through the mud and/or dust to get into their school!” These should be funded privately, not publicly.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 27, 2009, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Why is it assumed that these so-called “earmarks” are automatically “pork”? Aren’t our Senators and Representatives elected to represent their constituents and try to better their district or state?
For example, if an elected official negotiates a freeway offramp using federal funds that end up increasing tourism (and therefore jobs) in an economically troubled area that he or she represents, is that pork? They’re doing what we elected them to do.
These so-called “earmarks” are such a tiny percentage of the appropriations bill, are they really worth these shrill squeals of moral outrage? Wouldn’t you want your elected representative to do his or her best to improve where you live?
The fact is, many conservatives are confused by modern technology and distrustful of science, so they don’t understand why things like bee research or astronomical observatories are vital to our understanding of the world. Much easier to make snarky comments and unwittingly reveal their ignorance.
Posted by: Jet City Atheist | February 27, 2009, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
Now I’m beginning to worry $1.7 million for bees isn’t nearly enough.
Posted by: MayBee | February 27, 2009, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
ellsbells930,
How do you fund it privately? This is a serious real question. How do you get businesses to fund research, build sidewalks for a public school, or other such products if it does not immediately improve their bottom line numbers? Government has funded almost all basic research for decades in this country. Computers and the internet were started by government then handed to private companies to develop into products. Medical research is almost all government started then coopted by private business later. Government funded science and projects have always been part of the biggest innovations in our country.
Posted by: Ordermonger | February 27, 2009, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
You can think research on honeybees is very important and still agree with Senator McCain that this earmark is a bad idea. I do– let me explain why:
The main objection to earmarks is that they bypass the normal vetting process of the Congress. The merits of particular program are not debated. If the Texas A&M bee research program is a worthy project, and I have no way to know if it is or isn’t but am willing to concede it may well be extremely useful, then why not fund it through regular channels, rather than slip it into a bill as an earmark? maybe the country needs a honey bee factory, but earmarking a honey bee factory means either a) that the money is being channeled to a specific proposed factory, not to the group that presents the best bid for building a honey bee factory or b} that the government funding of the honey bee factory is written in such a way that only one honey bee factory in the country qualifies for that funding (kinda like the demonstration power plant in Illinois that will benefit from the stimulus funding).
In other words, this is not a case where the Department of Agriculture proposed increased funding for honey bee research and awarded 1.7 million to Texas A&M (or whoever it is) to build a honey bee factory in Weslaco. This is a case where a Congressperson– probably one from Texas, no duh– put wording into an appropriations bill so that this particularly honey bee factory gets funded. Do we know how much the government is already spending on honey bee research this year? Do we know if the honey bee factory in Weslaco is redundant or essential, wildly overprices or quite reasonable? Using an earmark for funding says none of that matters, just delivering goodies for the constituents matters.
Yes, honey bees are vital to our food production. So I figure the government is already funding plenty of honey bee research. In fact, the Texas A&M Agriresearch center in Weslaco is already doing research on honey bees, as well as lots of other agriculture-related stuff. So the money will fund an expansion of their work, but I am not sure (and research on the web does not turn up– if someone else finds out, please share) what a bee “factory” would be. Speaking as an academic, I would just say that if Texas A&M wants to expand their honeybee research, they can write a grant and get funding just like everybody else. getting a legislator to drop in an earmark is not playing on a level field. I’m tired of it, and I’m surprised that you guys are more interested in taking potshots at Senator McCain than in addressing the issue of controlling spending. We need transparency and accountability, and earmarks afford us neither.
Posted by: moderate | February 27, 2009, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Moderate,
I will concede that you have an excellent point in your post. That is a very valid concern which I thinks makes having a transparent government all the more important to make sure that money is spent wisely. Some congressmen may very well be abusing this earmarks, however some may be also putting considerable thought into projects that are needed and beneficial to their constituients. Tough to tell at times so a level headed approach should help all involved.
Posted by: Ordermonger | February 27, 2009, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
I believe that the reaction to Senator McCain and other Repubs that talk about earmarks is do in large part to how much they overreact to earmarks. To have heard McCain talk during the election at times earmarks were the single worst thing facing this country, when in fact they are maybe 3-4% of the total budget during a time of two wars and an economic crisis. The mountain out of molehills saying applies. Are earmarks a problem…yes definitely and I agree with the post from Moderate on them. But at the same time there should be some perspective.
Posted by: Ordermonger | February 27, 2009, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
CNBC today: OBAMA declares WAR on small investors
Obama is going to wipe out the middle class and make them dependent on Gov. This guy is dangerous spreading the wealth around..no he is giving it to his LOW INCOME BROS
Posted by: "doh" bama | February 27, 2009, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
Too little too late John!
I just watched the movie “Doctor Zhivago” followed by a movie on the Declaration of Independence.
Interesting that these two movies should play back to back as Obama is bringing America to her knees by manipulating and capturing the imagination of so many sheep with his obfuscating rhetoric designed to fog facts and lasso converts! :(
It is criminal to stifle creativity, vision, ingenuity, the ability to think, write and speak freely with an agenda that first angers and then corrals people into cages of adoring apathy.
Posted by: aware2u | February 27, 2009, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
It all sounds good to me. Certainly better than wasting a trillion dollars on a needless and endless war that has left so many killed or injured. Now there’s your stupidity!
Posted by: Corkit | February 27, 2009, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
It all sounds good to me when I compare it against a trillion dollar war that is never going to end, but leave many dead and seriously injured. But hey, let’s not be trivial. There should be a study on why Republicans stink–politically speaking that is.
Posted by: Corkit | February 27, 2009, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
Jet City, I consider myself a moderate, but as a card-carrying Republican, I know my share of conservatives. And, to be fair, I am a fiscal conservative myself. And I am sick and tired of conservatives being stereotyped as ignorant, anti-science, anti-knowledge, backward creatures.
You wrote, “The fact is, many conservatives are confused by modern technology and distrustful of science, so they don’t understand why things like bee research or astronomical observatories are vital to our understanding of the world. Much easier to make snarky comments and unwittingly reveal their ignorance.” There are plenty of snarky comments flying in all directions, seems to me. And I am not “Confused” or “distrustful” of research. I understand bee research just fine, thanks all the same, and being opposed to spending 1.7 million in a no-bid, non-competitive process to expand the Texas A&M Agriresearch Center in Weslaco, TX is not the same as being opposed to bee research. The school will be researching bees with or without the new “factory,” whatever that might be.
Funding is available for agricultural research, much of it coming from the federal government. However, that funding is usually awarded through a process that is designed to judge the merits of a specific proposal. That is a better way to fund the vital honeybee research than earmarks.
Posted by: moderate | February 27, 2009, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
Government, Republican or Democrat/Progressive, can’t legislate healing for the human heart. Science or technology…cant’t seal the deal either.
Think about it – Pray about it!
Posted by: aware2u | February 27, 2009, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
What a sore loser, he’s been a senator how long? Come on get real – tell him to watch 60 Minutes, they have a at least 2 segments on how the bees are disappearing and how important they are to food chain. Typical
Posted by: Lynn | February 27, 2009, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
couple of thoughts here: first, mccain learning to twitter is not going to help with the youth vote… second, 10.5 million, in a package of 787 BILLION, is .000013% of the total bill. not saying that we ought waste money, but i can see how each of the projects listed would either put people to work, help others to find work, and allow others to be able to keep their jobs. if mccain is going to complain about pork in the bill, he ought to at least pick projects that use a minimum of one-tenth of the bill, rather than thirteen-millionths of it…
Posted by: antijake | February 27, 2009, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Willem, Senator McCain is not saying that sidewalks near schools is bad. He is saying an earmark to provide these particular sidewalks is bad. Surely you noticed that the funding for said sidewalks is 332,000 dollars. How many miles of sidewalks are involved, I’d love to know? That amount of funding seems pretty excessive, imho, and is doubtless the reason McCain included it in the list. Say there is a need for 10 miles of sidewalk– even if you put sidewalks on both sides of the street, you can cover blocks and blocks in all directions from a school with 10 miles of sidewalk. This proposal would mean the sidewalks cost over 30,000 dollars a mile. I’m skeptical.
I’m sure McCain would join me in applauding young people who want to turn their life around in ways that require the removal of gang tattoos. I applaud them, but I do not think it is the role of the government to pay for the removal of those tattoos.
I could go on, as you say, but why bother? Senator McCain has not lost his bearings– he is being consistent with his long-standing principals. He is against earmarks, “pork,” wasteful government spending, etc. He is for limited government. McCain’s list is ridiculous, but I mean that differently than you do.
Posted by: moderate | February 27, 2009, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Hey Johnny! Sit down and shut up! You were beat by a land slide! Who cares what you think? You admitted to not having a clue on how to fix the economy. Now you do? LOL Get real!
Posted by: paul | February 27, 2009, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Paul Wall, you were incorrect when you wrote, “bee research” is a pork project of Cornyn and Hutchison (republicans). still pork does put people to work.” Actually, this particular pork was added by Tim Johnson from the Senate and two Texas Congressmen, Ruben Jinojosa and Chet Edwards. All three, in this case, are Democrats. It is correct, however, that Republicans also use and abuse earmarks and should be ashamed. McCain calls them out on it, just as he does the Democrats. This is not a R vs. D issue, this is a “responsible management of resources” issue.
Personally, I’d like to hear more about a similar earmark added by Steny Hoyer to the agriculture appropriations for a facility for “foundry sand by-products utilization” to the tune of 638,000 dollars. Please don’t tell me our agricultural foundation is being threatened by underutilization of the byproducts of foundry sand.
Both earmarks, by the way, are marked as being for “agricultural research facilties,” to be used for “salaries and expenses.” And the HoneyBee Factory is listed as a lab. Think McCain got carried away there.
Posted by: moderate | February 27, 2009, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
I like the bee funding.
Posted by: rightbehind | February 27, 2009, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
thank you McCain
Posted by: bae | February 27, 2009, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
All of the items NOT directly related to creating jobs in a timely, targeted manner should NOT have been in the bill. Therefore, it is PORK.
Posted by: ellsbells930
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When you don’t know what you are talking about, it’s usually better to say nothing.
this is not the Stimulus bill, this is the Omnibus Spending bill.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 27, 2009, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
“#2. $2 million ‘for the promotion of astronomy’ in Hawaii —————
Well it was in the stars that got Obama elected…
Posted by: JT | February 27, 2009, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
wow, those pigs in Ohio are lucky…
money for Pig odor..what are they going to spend it on?
glide air freshner for each pig pen?
maybe the suggestion would be, umm, it is a pig farm, move away!
Posted by: jaj | February 27, 2009, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Jet City Atheist said “The fact is, many conservatives are confused by modern technology and distrustful of science, ” I don’t usually make personal comment, but I’m making an exception in this case… this is one of the most stupid comments I’ve ever seen posted. If conservatives are so confused by modern technology, then why are there so many of them on the internet posting? And an opinion is not fact. So your statement is illogical from the first phrase.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 27, 2009, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
While most of the spending should be open to fair criticism I must agree with the others who have defended the bee project. This has the most potential for dire consequences to our agribusiness if ignored and vividly demonstrates McCain’s typical right-wing ignorance of such matters.
Posted by: Skip | February 27, 2009, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm
moderate: google “Utilization of spent foundry sand in controlled low-strength materials and concrete”
It’s an environmental issue
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 27, 2009, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Willem van Oranje -When you don’t know what you are talking about, it’s usually better to say nothing.” Excuse me. I got confused because this administration has been spending money like we actually have it. It doesn’t change the fact that it is mostly unnecessary spending and is pork. The government is involved in too many things that they have no business being involved in.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 27, 2009, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
ellsbells930:”If conservatives are so confused by modern technology, then why are there so many of them on the internet posting? ”
Because somewhere along the way some librul teacher spent a lot of time teaching them how to?
By the way, the internet was invented, incubated, installed, grown and turned into a major job engine growing the economy for a decade by… the government borrowing money to spend (ARPAnet). Just another bit of reality it seems conservatives don’t know about.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 27, 2009, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
i dont see a problem with the Bee funding.. honey is good. we depend on bees to make honey. things we can live and depend on are good.
but Pig odor?
conservative fiscal rocks! they are not backward, racists, closedminded people that the left like for many people to believe.
Posted by: jaj | February 27, 2009, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
You want to talk government waste, then let’s talk about McCain’s salary.
Posted by: JR | February 27, 2009, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
ellsbells930: ” And an opinion is not fact.”
“It doesn’t change the fact that it is mostly unnecessary spending and is pork. ”
Seeing as how pork is NOT defined, it is entirely a matter of opinion. I am laughing out loud at how you just berated someone for using a common phrase that taken literally couched his opinion as fact, and then turn right around and do it yourself. Perfect.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 27, 2009, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm
Willem, Thanks for the google suggestion. I figured it was environmental– and I still think this is a colossal waste of taxpayers’ money. Hoyer is steering money to a pet project in his home state. The world will keep on spinning without those funds, that’s for sure.
Oh, and I was intrigued during my quick research into our honeybee friends to find that PETA is up in arms about the exploitation of ‘factory farmed honeybees.’ They seem to advocate leaving pollination up to the vagaries of nature, letting wild bees do the heavy lifting.
Posted by: moderate | February 27, 2009, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
think about it… the government has filled out a loan to buy a house from the american people… the government does not have money and depend on the american people’s tax to make the monthly mortage..
so now what happens when the american people 1) don’t have jobs to pay the goverment taxes 2) start a protest to not pay the gov’t anymore (sort of like the current mortage criss). how does the gov’t come up with the money to make the monthly payment??
don’t borrow more than what you can afford.
Posted by: jaj | February 27, 2009, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
jaj: “but Pig odor? ”
It is a source of major lawsuits across the agricultural states and an indisputable quality of life issues. As a classic case of protection of the commons, it is certainly an appropriate area for government funding. I don’t know about this particular work – it could be boondoggle research – but if it’s reasonable science, I can see justification for it.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 27, 2009, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Ordermonger – as soon as public funding dried up, private funding would occur naturally for worthwhile projects. Ever hear of organizations like the American Cancer Society? How about pharmaceutical companies? And I’m not sure why the government would continue to fund medical research, since it will all be deemed to expensive per the stimulus bill. That seems to me to be a waste of money to fund medical research, when it will never be used.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 27, 2009, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
JR-yes, lets suspend immediately all gov;t raises.. i mean after all gov;t is imposing a salary cap on CEOS. in the spirit of socialism, let’s cap all salaries above 100,000.00
Posted by: jaj | February 27, 2009, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
jhw539 said “It is a source of major lawsuits across the agricultural states and an indisputable quality of life issues. ”
Hey – if the pig farm was there before you moved in, then perhaps you shouldn’t have bought next to a pig farm. (Not saying that you, jhw539, lives next to a pig farm)
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 27, 2009, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Just want to point out that $10.5 million of $787 billion is not 1.4% or .000013%, it is 0.0013%. At least we can all toss around the right percentage now.
Posted by: P | February 27, 2009, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
jhw539 – Is this spending absolutely necessary? No. Therefore, it is pork. The only funding that the FEDERAL government is required to do is for defending this country – period. There isn’t anything else that couldn’t be accomplished another way. The honey bees need protected, then let the honey bee lovers raise the money for it. People don’t like the smell of a pig farm, then don’t live next to one.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 27, 2009, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
jhw539 – if the pig farms are new, then the people living in the area should have done something about it before hand. Their local government should have enacted statutes prior to the farms starting and make the farmers pay for any odor abatement. It’s not my place to pay for it.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 27, 2009, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
It doesn’t change the fact that it is mostly unnecessary spending and is pork.
Posted by: ellsbells930
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Name one.
The things I have seen sofar aren’t porkbarrel spending in the traditional sense. The things that have been called “pork” here or elsewhere are all for causes with a clearly defined purpose in reseach, science, prevention, and can easily be defended for why it would be necessary to fund them.
They’re not vanity projects like the “Bridge to Nowhere” in Alaska, which would greatly benefit Stevens’s donors wallets, but would be of real use only for 50 Alaskans.
Remember that “earmarks” don’t have any impact on the size of the budget. Earmarks is money that is ALREADY budgetted for a particular Department. The only thing Congress does is attach a small “earmark” to that Budget which says: “from this budget, you will spent this amount on that specific projects”
Without earmarks, the entire budget would be spent by bureaucrats. With earmarks, a small amount of it will be directed by elected officials, who can be held accountable by voters.
I don’t have a big issue with earmarks when they are directed to worthy projects which benefits all of us: directly or indirectly. I only have issues with earmarks that are vanity projects, or earmarks that benefit a poltician’s donors. In both cases: name them and shame them.
It’s not earmarks that are the problem, it’s people who use them for their own benefit.
And earmarks are literally peanuts in the larger budget. Especially in the last Omnibus Spending Bill, and in this one.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 27, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
I guess I don’t get it about the pig farms, because I live in an agricultural area & we live with manure smell at various times of the year. Big deal. It’s natural and the price for living in such an area. People need to buck up & not be such wimps.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 27, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
Willem van Oranje – well, there’s a list of ten above. None of that should be paid for with our federal tax dollars.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 27, 2009, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm
I would like to point out that these pig ‘farms’ are not like farms that most people are familiar with. It would be better to call them pig factories. They are huge and the giant waste collection pools associated with them are so toxic that when they leak it kills everything on the ground and in the water.
Posted by: Skip | February 27, 2009, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
ellsbells930:” if the pig farms are new, then the people living in the area should have done something about it before hand. ”
What, so the orchard owner who sees more profit in pigs loses the right to use his land as he sees fit?
“Is this spending absolutely necessary? No. Therefore, it is pork. The only funding that the FEDERAL government is required to do is for defending this country – period.”
So that is your personal definition.
The invention and construction of the internet, the greatest job engine in a generation, is by your definition = pork.
Universal education (widely credited for the US’s post war economic boom) by your definition = pork.
Interstate highway system = pork.
Management of the salmon fisheries = pork.
Enforcement of food standards to, for example, keep salmonella out of peanut butter = pork.
The patent system = pork.
I understand you position, but I think it is stupid and shortsighted. Probably why those who share it have been pummeled at the polls lately (can’t wait until the last of the Bush senators have to stand for election in 2010!).
Posted by: jhw539 | February 27, 2009, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
ellsbells930:”None of that should be paid for with our federal tax dollars. ”
If you were in charge, the internet would never have been invented.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 27, 2009, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
It’s doubtful that Mr. McCain is awar that there is a looning disaster for our country, with the unexplained shortage, and death toll in the honeybee population in our country. Something had better do some reasearch and developement on them before we are unable to pollenate our food items, and eventually have a disaster on our hands in producing our food needs. I would say that McCain is better at drinking beerk, or counting his houses, than he is at knowing anything about sush that horse sense is a part of. He is really not very good at counting his own houses, come to think of it. There may be some port in this bill, but the Republicans have had a hog farm in the past totals of the previous bills that flew out the window of our national bankroll. How about the gift contract in Iraq ? Would that be pork loin, or pigs feet.??
Posted by: 73toms | February 27, 2009, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
It was very disappointing, on ABC Evening News Feb. 26, to note that amidst the extensive coverage given the Omnibus bill, not one word was said about the earmarks that were added. I thought one of Obama’s promises was that he would not sign bills containing earmarks. So much for consistency… and journalistic integrity. Charles Gibson, I trusted you and am very disappointed.
Posted by: Keith | February 27, 2009, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
Skip-I would like to point out that these pig ‘farms’ are not like farms that most people are familiar with. It would be better to call them pig factories. They are huge and the giant waste collection pools associated with them are so toxic that when they leak it kills everything on the ground and in the water.
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you know what is really tasty, roasted pig. my favorite is PA amish style pulled pork.
you know whaqt else is toxic? human waste from people living in the city.
you know the recent Austrilia fire that killed 200 people. you know those people were pi**ed because the envirnmentalist/Greenies said that the people could not cut down the bushes around their home. need to preserve the envirnment, something like that, well 200 people died.
point is, we will always have pig farm, smell and waste comes with it. we should not have to spend money to study the smell.
Posted by: jaj | February 27, 2009, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
I guarantee you McSame is having someone do it for him, likely his daughter, they guy is dumb as a fence post.
Posted by: CC | February 27, 2009, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
jhw539, thanks for calling me ignorant (because I made a poor estimate of the cost of sidewalk construction) and revealing a true lack of class.
You cite statistics for Durham, NC for the price of sidewalks (900K per mile) and suggest that it would be more (double, you said) in a “built-up city.” I don’t think we need to worry about that in Franklin, Texas, the site of the proposed sidewalks McCain complained of. Franklin is a small town on Highway 79, 35 miles from College Station, that had a population of 1470 in the 2000 (pre-Rahm) census. It is the county seat of a county of 16,000. It has an independent school system comprised of three schools– a high school, middle school, and an elementary school. The high school serves around 300-350 students. They passed a bond issue in 2007 to spend 17 million on school improvements over a 3 year period, which included not only renovations to the buildings but such things as buses and furniture.
My point? I do not think the amount of sidewalk to be constructed is very large. I do not think sidewalk construction would cost as much there as it apparently does in Durham. And I do not see why the town cannot pay for the sidewalks out of their own funds.
If that is ignorance on my part, then I’ll take comfort in the old adage, “ignorance is bliss.” *G*
Posted by: moderate | February 27, 2009, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
Wait, let’s think this through… if we don’t fund the honeybee factory, and we just let all the little buggers die (no pun intended), this could ultimately create millions of jobs! Each bee visits close to 1000 blooms each day. Think how many minimum wage laborers it will take to replace that natural.. but necessary function. I’m sure it won’t take a college grad, but hey, it beats being the greeter at Wally World.
Posted by: sledge | February 27, 2009, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
JHW-
ellsbells930:”None of that should be paid for with our federal tax dollars. ”
If you were in charge, the internet would never have been invented.
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you seriously need to come up with another argument about the internet thing. conservatives, wait for it, uses iinternet. seriously, grow up. it is just an old left over belief of the lefties that the righties don’t use internet..
internet has nothing to do with politics.
Posted by: jaj | February 27, 2009, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
“you know whaqt else is toxic? human waste from people living in the city.”
Most cities have massive sewage treatment plants to handle human waste.
Posted by: Skip | February 27, 2009, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
Wow 10 million! A whole 10 million, top 10 Wow!
LOL how much is the GOP spending to keep their staff even though their numbers are way down. How much pork is there in the budget from the GOP? Why is that the Obama Admin must write the budget for 2009, when we are almost half way through that year?
As far as the Honey bee, we are aware that the bees are dying out from some sort of disease that is not understood, and threaten agriculture in America.
Reporters on the other hand is too ignorant to understand. Just trying to make a buck aren’t we?
Posted by: Thinking | February 27, 2009, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
jaj:”you seriously need to come up with another argument about the internet thing. conservatives, wait for it, uses iinternet. seriously, grow up. it is just an old left over belief of the lefties that the righties don’t use internet..
internet has nothing to do with politics. ”
Please read my posts. I was responding to ellsbells930′s direct assertion that any government funding other than defense was pork, unnecessary, and should not be done.
The internet was invented and the initial structure installed by government funding. Unnecessary, pork government funding. Unnecessary, pork government funding that led to a massive jobs explosion and the greatest creation of wealth in a generation. If you do not see how that is a relevant counterpoint to both ells’s explicit comment and recent conservative claims then that reflects more on your basic critical thinking skills than mine.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 27, 2009, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
moderate:”jhw539, thanks for calling me ignorant (because I made a poor estimate of the cost of sidewalk construction) and revealing a true lack of class. ”
I did not grow up in the “no such thing as a stupid question, precious snowflake” self-esteem era, so don’t expect an apology. You were basing your opinion off of assumptions that were off by greater than a factor of twenty. And when that is pointed out, it doesn’t change your conclusion one whit. You just change your reasoning. Clearly, your conclusions are not a product of reasoning but the opposite way around, so what is the point of arguing?
Posted by: jhw539 | February 27, 2009, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
Willem van Oranje – well, there’s a list of ten above. None of that should be paid for with our federal tax dollars.
Posted by: ellsbells930
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See my post below where I have commented on 7 on his list. All of them seem perfectly legitimate and worthy causes: just listing them as “pork” is not enough. McCain – and you – should make it obvious to the rest why it is pork.
Your definition of what a government should pay for borders on anarchism though. Why only for defence, but not for protecting personal health of Americans? Or industrial health? I don’t think a factory owner is particular pleased when he finds his factory flooded because b-e-a-vers built a dam and caused a nice pool. Nor do I think homeowners will be particularly pleased with that.
Addressing these kinds of problems is usually more (cost)effective when managed on a larger scale.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 27, 2009, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Ryan, I am not sure if you realize a honey bee factory is not the actual honey bees…its basically a processing plant for honey.
Posted by: PresGov | February 27, 2009, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
It seems Obama is coming out for something that everyone will hate, and the funny thing is that he is so out of touch with such a huge ego, I don’t think he even understands this.
Posted by: PresGov | February 27, 2009, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
All of these are local issues being paid for by national funds. If they were really good projects the local governments would have made them a priority, but they didn’t. So we know right off that there is something wrong with these projects. (Too expensive, low payback, bad idea, or something)
Making specific decisions in far of Washington D.C. doesn’t make a lot of sense. I wish Congress would just turn the budget money over to the local governments (city/county preferably) and let the people who actually know what’s going on make the decisions.
Posted by: JS | February 27, 2009, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
Pedestrian injuries are the 3rd leading cause of unintentional injury-related death among children.
Posted by: Thinking | February 27, 2009, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
Will Obama please ‘splain to me if these are simply wasteful government spending projects allocated by legislators for pet projects, or if they are “earmarks” ’cause I’m sorta having a hard time telling the difference.
Posted by: Bridget | February 27, 2009, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
Jhw, trust me, it never occurred to me to entertain the notion that you might apologize. And, as my students could tell you (thank goodness you are not in one of my classes), I am not of the “there are no stupid questions” mindset myself. I do, however, try to remember my manners.
Anyway, I have noticed in the past that you tend to wear down those who disagree with you. I don’t want you to think you have worn me down, but this will have to be my closing response, since I’m up past my bedtime. *G* You say that my admittedly off-the-cuff, uninformed cost estimate was off by “greater than a factor of 20,” but, as often happens, you exaggerate. As I pointed out, the town in question is a small one where construction costs would not be comparable to Durham, NC. So I did some research on the web and came up with a more appropriate comparison. It seems that Janesville, Wisconsin paid 124,000 per mile of sidewalk in 2007. So my estimate of 30,000 a mile was off by a factor of 3 or 4, not 20. So, yes, they could only afford a little more than 2.5 miles of sidewalk for that money, but that sounds like plenty of sidewalk to me. Let the town pay for it and don’t ask the federal government, and its taxpayers, to do so. (Or apply for some of the stimulus money for infrastructure)
Posted by: moderate | February 27, 2009, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
And all the pork he listed are from red states put in by mostly republican senators…
Posted by: james | February 27, 2009, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
JS:”Making specific decisions in far of Washington D.C. doesn’t make a lot of sense. ”
At the house level it makes a fair bit of sense. House reps serve fewer people than the mayor of Memphis, TN and live in their districts.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 27, 2009, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
And all the pork he listed are from red states put in by mostly republican senators…
Posted by: james | February 27, 2009, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
“they guy is dumb as a fence post.”
Glass houses, throw rocks etc.
Posted by: Bridget | February 28, 2009, 12:00 am 12:00 am
hypocrisy at its best..
Posted by: james | February 28, 2009, 12:01 am 12:01 am
“you know whaqt else is toxic? human waste from people living in the city.”
Posted by: jaj
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5,000 hogs produce the same amount of manure as a city of 100,000 humans.
Big Sky Farms wanted to built a Hog Factory in Cassia County with 595,000 hogs. That would have potentially produced manure equivalent to the population of 11,900,000 people.
For reverence, wikipedia says the entire state of Ohio had a population of 11,485,910. Pennsylvania had a population of 12,448,279.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 28, 2009, 12:01 am 12:01 am
“I would like to point out that these pig ‘farms’ are not like farms that most people are familiar with. ”
Well, I’m familiar with them. They stink. A lot. Where’s my 1.7 million?
Posted by: Bridget | February 28, 2009, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Bridget:”Well, I’m familiar with them. They stink. A lot. Where’s my 1.7 million?”
Tell us how to make them not stink and still produce the same levels of pork yield per pound of feed for less than a 5% increase in capital costs and the money’s yours.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 28, 2009, 12:05 am 12:05 am
“Big Sky Farms wanted to built a Hog Factory in Cassia County with 595,000 hogs. That would have potentially produced manure equivalent to the population of 11,900,000 people. ”
You do realize that this is a renewable energy source, don’t you?
Posted by: Bridget | February 28, 2009, 12:06 am 12:06 am
“Tell us how to make them not stink and still produce the same levels of pork yield per pound of feed for less than a 5% increase in capital costs and the money’s yours.”
Well, yours apparently don’t stink, so why don’t you collect the 1.7 mil?
Posted by: Bridget | February 28, 2009, 12:08 am 12:08 am
“All of these are local issues being paid for by national funds. If they were really good projects the local governments would have made them a priority, but they didn’t.”
Only the sidewalk and the parking garage can be considered of local significance only, the other 8 have significance for the entire state, or several states, or the entire country.
With regard to the parking garage, are we sure it is only of “local” significance, or would it benefit a community which also has a lot of federal building with lots of federal workers in it? Can somebody check?
Sidewalk? Maybe the local community has gone bankrupt because of the crisis? And the absence of the sidewalk has become a real health hazard for the students? I’d like to know more before decrying something as “pork”.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 28, 2009, 12:11 am 12:11 am
Will Obama please ‘splain to me if these are simply wasteful government spending projects allocated by legislators for pet projects, or if they are “earmarks” ’cause I’m sorta having a hard time telling the difference.
****************************************Actually it is Congress who writes the budget. If you have a problem with it ask them. Start with the GOP.
TX GOP
Utah GOP
MIss. GOP
TX again GOP
MOnT GOP
5 out of ten seems pretty even to me.
Posted by: Thinking | February 28, 2009, 12:12 am 12:12 am
Bridget:”"Tell us how to make them not stink and still produce the same levels of pork yield per pound of feed for less than a 5% increase in capital costs and the money’s yours.”
Well, yours apparently don’t stink, so why don’t you collect the 1.7 mil?”
? What? I don’t have a hog farm. And I don’t see how that addresses the issue that the money was earmarked to help find a solution not just state the obvious as you did.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 28, 2009, 12:14 am 12:14 am
USDA has a Honeybee research facility in Weslaco, TX. I am sure that if one could find a copy of this budget we would find that McCain is being less than honest when he calls it a factory.
Jake doesn’t tend to look these things up though before he gets all snarky about it.
Posted by: Thinking | February 28, 2009, 12:17 am 12:17 am
“the issue that the money was earmarked”
Shhhhhh, Obama promised there wouldn’t be any of those, remember?
Posted by: Bridget | February 28, 2009, 12:29 am 12:29 am
Jake doesn’t tend to look these things up though before he gets all snarky about it.
Posted by: Thinking
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It’s not the first time we have to do a – or this – journalist’s job.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 28, 2009, 12:31 am 12:31 am
“the issue that the money was earmarked”
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There is not a single statement in this post that tells us any of this is an earmark.
Posted by: Thinking | February 28, 2009, 12:33 am 12:33 am
$332,000 for the design and construction of a school sidewalk in Franklin, Texas – not enough $ for schools in the stimulus?
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No infact there isn’t enough for schools anywhere. You know for people who have been educated by the public, you are certainly against it. I konw you got yours right Jake?
Posted by: Thinking | February 28, 2009, 12:36 am 12:36 am
And again, the mentality of the GOP can be reduced to “I don’t care what happens to everyone else as long as I get mine!”
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 28, 2009, 12:38 am 12:38 am
“Actually it is Congress who writes the budget.”
Actually, it was Congress who wrote the stimulus package which likewise full of wasteful government spending projects allocated by legislators for pet projects, and which Obama solemnly assured me were not earmarks.
So like I said, I’m having a hard time telling the difference.
Posted by: Bridget | February 28, 2009, 12:42 am 12:42 am
I mean, if it walks like and earmark and quacks like an earmark…..
Posted by: Bridget | February 28, 2009, 12:44 am 12:44 am
“There is not a single statement in this post that tells us any of this is an earmark.”
If it walks like an earmark and quacks like an earmark it’s a……….whatever The One says it is, of course.
Posted by: Bridget | February 28, 2009, 12:46 am 12:46 am
If it walks like an earmark and quacks like an earmark
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And when it doesn’t walk like an earmark and quacks like an earmark? What then?
You just keep repeating what Rush and Fox and the GOP tells you to repeat?
All of you have not made one attempt to prove that these are earmarks or attempted to make clear that it is wasteful spending. You just keep blathering the same silly stuff over and over again.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 28, 2009, 12:59 am 12:59 am
Politico:
White House aides told Jewish leaders on a conference call today that the United States will boycott the United Nations’ World Conference on Racism over hostility to Israel in draft documents prepared for the April conference.
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I fully support the president in this continuation of the Bush administration policy regarding this matter.
Posted by: mad | February 28, 2009, 1:04 am 1:04 am
I thought JOHN MCCAIN couldn’t use a computer!
Posted by: EYESURGERY | February 28, 2009, 1:11 am 1:11 am
I applaud Senator McCain’s fervor but what I want to see NO, NOT ONE EARMARK PROJECT. Are Earmarks similar to PAY BACK FOR SUPPORT TO BE ELECTED TO AN OFFICE? Kind of like a BRIBE? We need new laws that mandate all bills be available to citizens prior to vote so we can inform our elected officials how we want them to vote. I am for limited time in office to 2 years, for all offices to include President. This way we wean out all the morons we elect before they cause too much damage.
Posted by: Deborah | February 28, 2009, 1:18 am 1:18 am
Ya know, I’m not going to feel sorry for the House or the Senate. They have nobody to blame for these “earmarks” in this Stimulus bill. They passed it without even reading it. As important as this was, you’d think they could have collectively gone to the president and asked for a couple of days so they could read it. None of them deserve to be in office.
Posted by: tad | February 28, 2009, 1:28 am 1:28 am
Term limits aare a good thing, but the way Obamais going “all in” as Dan Balz puts it, he may know he wont get re-elected regardless, I think VP Biden knows the same and is having fun in office… imagine that!
Posted by: JG | February 28, 2009, 1:29 am 1:29 am
tad
yea this is worse than the Repubs adding things to bills in the deasd of night! I have said from the primaries on that the Obama is President Bush in a mirror!
Posted by: JG | February 28, 2009, 1:32 am 1:32 am
It’s not the stimulus bill. Reading is not that difficult, you can do it too!
Government has helped you with that and we all paid for it. At least we could expect SOMETHING back, don’t we?
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 28, 2009, 1:56 am 1:56 am
I am for limited time in office to 2 years, for all offices to include President. This way we wean out all the morons we elect before they cause too much damage.
Posted by: Deborah
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That would be the quickest way to have unelected people write every bill in Congress: stafmembers, bureaucrats, and lobbyists.
Posted by: Willem van Oranje | February 28, 2009, 1:59 am 1:59 am
One person’s “pork” is another’s vital infrastructure, job creation, or crime reduction project. The devil is in the details – but for many of these, they sound like projects where a little money will create a huge return on our investment.
Take tattoo removal, for instance. Young boy, growing up in crappy neighborhood, is forced to join a gang to avoid being the target of the gang. Gang tattoos are applied, he’s a criminal and a problem for us – an expensive problem for us, costing us money in police, jail, and crime.
A few years later – boy isn’t so young anymore, wants out of the gang life. So long as he has those tattoos, he’s unemployable, and everyone figures he’s in the gang – he’s very likely to backslide back into criminal ways just because he has no other option. Remove the tattoos, and we’ve got a law abiding taxpayer, possibly. Leave them on, and we’ve got a criminal burden to the system.
One man’s pork – another man’s chance at an honest living and life.
Posted by: SusanHelit | February 28, 2009, 3:13 am 3:13 am
I do not agree with choices 1 through 9, but if we go on without the honeybees then there will be no food. The honeybees do the pollinating of the plants that produce our food. We need the honeybees.
Posted by: mom | February 28, 2009, 6:19 am 6:19 am
This from John “our economy is fine” McCain? Can you say n-o c-r-e-d-i-b-i-l-i-t-y.
Posted by: BeesKnees | February 28, 2009, 6:51 am 6:51 am
40 percent of the ear marks built in to the package just past were Republican ear marks and special interest. They tear on the Dem ear marks but do not mention their own.
Posted by: CAW | February 28, 2009, 7:20 am 7:20 am
Just as I thought he used his war injury during the campaign to his advantage. Or they miraculously healed enough that now he can type to use a computer. As the wife of a Vietnam vet and the daughter of a World War II vet, this is quite insulting!!!!!
Posted by: Dali | February 28, 2009, 7:37 am 7:37 am
Someone should tell McCain that he lost the election in 2008!! It makes everyone happy when they see him bungling around because they say to themselves ‘ this was the alternative ‘ not that the winner isn’t living up to every one of his shortcomings. There is no fool like an old fool.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | February 28, 2009, 7:57 am 7:57 am
I voted for Obama. But I think what McCain is doing – is right. Get rid of the pork! Put people back to work with USEFUL PROJECTS (roads etc.) – I don’t care about how to peel a grape.
Posted by: kathy bryant | February 28, 2009, 8:02 am 8:02 am
One congressman’s pork is another congressman’s pet project. If McCain was serious he would ensure his Republican colleagues pulled all of their pet projects out of the bill and then demand Democrats do the same. Instead McCain does what he always does and grandstands in front of cameras. He really is an ineffective Senator since he yields no power in either party. He would have been an equally ineffective president.
Posted by: indy_voter | February 28, 2009, 8:21 am 8:21 am
“All of you have not made one attempt to prove that these are earmarks or attempted to make clear that it is wasteful spending”
That’s because we can read Jake’s post and draw our own conclusions.
Posted by: Bridget | February 28, 2009, 8:42 am 8:42 am
$2 million ‘for the promotion of astronomy’ in Hawaii – because nothing says new jobs for average Americans like investing in astronomy”
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Man has studied the stars from the beginning of time. Not only is there a huge industry built around armature astronomy, there ios also a large industry built out of the out flow from Astronomy. The prime example is the space program and what it has delivered, everything from new materials, microchips, communications, to medical Industries that employ millions of people.
These things and complaints are fine, but to take McCains view without getting any information is absurd. I trust mcCains word like anyother Politician. Just like no 10 I doubt it has anything to do with a Honeybee Factory, whatever that is, but everything to do with the USDA Honeybee research facilities at Weslaco, TX.
Posted by: Thinking | February 28, 2009, 8:43 am 8:43 am
Hear is how one report puts it:
And one watchdog group said the bill provided nearly $8 billion for more than 8,500 pet projects favored by lawmakers, including $1.7 million for a honey bee laboratory
Now it is it a Factory or is it a Laboratory? Is it for badly needed research into the the reason that the Honey bee is dying out accross the world, that agricultrure needs, or is is it some fluff building of a factory.
Typical BS form some grandstanding loser from the GOP.
Posted by: Thinking | February 28, 2009, 8:55 am 8:55 am
What’s wrong with pork? If you are talking about the kind of meat, it is in fact white meat.
As to congressional projects, if your congressman or senator do not bring these projects to your district, I’d advise you to vote ‘em out. If they do bring money back from Washington, you are truly blessed by having an effective law maker(s). It’s your money, if you and your comgressman and senators don’t like it and don’t want to spend it, someone else will be happily to help, like the Smartest Clueless PB0, earmarking 1 cool mil as soon as he became the freshman senator from Illinois to reward his wife’s employer for raising her salary by 150% after he was elected.
We have now one useless Senator who herself did not even know how in the world he bumped into the position as a senator, and a congressman got into congress the same ways PB0 got nominated. We did get rid of the other repblican useless Senator, but still fighting with the Commedian turned talk show host for the last spot. They bring back nothing and we get no parks, no dog-cloning las, no pig farms built.
Posted by: kat | February 28, 2009, 8:56 am 8:56 am
The honeybees do the pollinating of the plants that produce our food. We need the honeybees.
Posted by: mom | Feb 28, 2009 6:19:46 AM
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mom, we cats recommend that you moms make more babies and send them to the fields, pollinating plants for food.
Posted by: cats | February 28, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am
What is one man’s pork…is another man’s necessitie. It seems that this pork is from GOP strongholds, which he failed to name the Senator or Rep. from those areas. He said he would call them out and name Names. Shut Up, McBush already. You’re part of the problem, 25 years and what have you done, but ran unsuccessful for President. You are angry, and the anger is not about “pork” sir.
Posted by: sngeorgia | February 28, 2009, 9:21 am 9:21 am
There is a difference between establishing a honey bee farm as opposed to seeking the cause of the dying bee population. The latter would have been a worthwhile cause.
The money was supposed to create jobs and improve the economy. the proof that it is going to do that will be a reversal of the growing unemployment.
Congressmen will use pork as a means to get re-elected.
BTW, the dems wrote the stimulus bill, not the republicans.
Posted by: Fran | February 28, 2009, 9:32 am 9:32 am
CAW,you suggested that, “40 percent of the ear marks built in to the package just past were Republican ear marks and special interest. They tear on the Dem ear marks but do not mention their own.” I follow Senator McCain in railing against all earmarks, regardless of the party of the person making the request. McCain did NOT single out democrat’s earmarks– he has always, as here, spoken out against all earmarks. When I complained about the earmarks on the list, I did not know what party the requests came from. I know the honey bee center is a democratic earmark but I frankly do not know or care who asked for the sidewalk or other earmarks. Could be republicans, for all I know. That does not make the earmark any more acceptable.
Posted by: m | February 28, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Willem, I’m surprised at you. You wrote, “All of you have not made one attempt to prove that these are earmarks or attempted to make clear that it is wasteful spending. You just keep blathering the same silly stuff over and over again,” which must mean that you have not been reading the posts to which you keep responding. ALL of us? Not so. You can find a list of earmarks at the Taxpayers for Common Sense website or read the bill at the appropriations website. They ARE undeniably earmarks, by the definition of the OMB. I defined earmarks in a post down the screen somewhere and won’t repeat it here.
An earmark does not necessarily have to be wasteful spending. What is often wasteful is the way it is steered to a particular project that may not be the best way to spend that money for that goal. Example– the honey bee lab. It is not wasteful to study honey bees– but is it wasteful to build this particular lab? I do not know but it is very possible. Let Texas A &M and/or the USDA go through normal channels to get it. Put it in the budget as a line item, justify it, fund it. What if the research can be done at a lab in California or Georgia that already exists? What if the research this lab will do is redundant? What if…..? Someone directs the funding to this particular project through an earmark and we do not have the opportunity to determine if this is a waste or a wise use of taxpayer dollars.
And to several other posters singing a similar tune to the tune of earlier posters from last night– opposing an earmark is not the same as opposing legitimate funding of a similar project. We want oversight, we want transparency, we want the federal government to spend its money wisely and not to fund items that should be funded at another level (like local sidewalks) or through another mechanism (like government research grants that are peer-reviewed and competitively awarded).
Posted by: moderate | February 28, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Willem van Oranje I don’t think a factory owner is particular pleased when he finds his factory flooded because b-e-a-vers built a dam and caused a nice pool. Nor do I think homeowners will be particularly pleased with that.” Then perhaps they shouldn’t build a factory or homes where ‘b-e-a-vers’ build dams. Wow-such a simple solution!
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 28, 2009, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Actually – the President needs line-item veto power. That way, we could really see if Obama means it when he says ‘no pork’. I have always thought the President should have that power, no matter who the President is. Congress basically holds big bills hostage by putting in things that they know the President would never agree to in order to get the thing passed. Maybe we could have Congress arrested for extortion (just a passing thought).
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 28, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
This is just dismaying.
Spending was too high under Bush. When he had a Republican Congress, spending was too high and they got voted out office.
Then came a Democratic Congress, and spending was too high. So people voted for a guy who promised to cut the budget.
And now spending is at record levels- trillions of dollars in just a few weeks- and I see people here justifying everything.
I’m beginning to suspect people didn’t really want a change in spending levels in Washington.
Posted by: MayBee | February 28, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am
ellsbells930 – he could very easily veto this whole bill. It wouldn’t take long for Congress to rewrite it without the earmarks and bring it back to him.
He could remind them of the catastrophe we’re headed for, and the sacrifice they need to share in. That should motivate them.
Posted by: MayBee | February 28, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Let Texas A &M and/or the USDA go through normal channels to get it . . . .
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Referring to the Kika de La Graza Subtropical Agricultural Center as a “honey bee factory” was not only a pejorative, but deliberately misleading. It has been around since 1931, and its research areas” are an integral part of the National Research Programs at over 100 locations for the USDA, Agricultural Esearch Service in all 50 states, and several foreign countries.” Texas A&M is a component of the center along with the USDA. The center also works in conjunction with the EPA on food safety compliance, and it’s my understanding it’s been researching diseases of the honeybee colonies for years.
Posted by: kat the real one | February 28, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Kika de La Graza
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Typo: Kika de la Garza Tropical Research Center. You can find more about it on ars usda gov It’s too bad that some politicians and journalists (no, I’m not referring to Jake) won’t do just a little fact checking.
Posted by: kat the real one | February 28, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Kat the Real One, thanks for the info further identifying the honeybee lab in question. That simply proves my point. The earmark provides money for salaries and expenses at the lab. Folks around here are acting as if there would not be honeybee research if not for this earmark. That’s simply not true. As you say, the lab has been in existence and doing research for a long while. All its funding in the past has not come from earmarks, but through regular channels. If more is necessary, they can obtain it through regular means. Using an earmark is not appropriate.
The president has made clear his distaste for earmarks (but will he live up to his pledge to veto bills that contain them? I predict he’ll sign this bill, saying the earmarks were placed there prior to his inauguration and he’ll try to keep them out of future bills instead). yet so many of his fans here jump to defend them. Odd. Methinks that if it were Mr. Obama who put out this top ten list (he has, after all, vowed to shame anyone who wastes stimulus funds, so shaming those who waste or misappropriate other government money would not be a stretch), it would have gotten a much different reception.
Posted by: moderate | February 28, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
What, besides the Iraq war, are some of the spending/pork/earmark things from the past 8 years that you all didn’t like? How do they compare to this list?
Posted by: MayBee | February 28, 2009, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Hahahahaha !!!
McCain is a Damn JOKE
Those Top 10 Pork Chops are what .011% of Obama’s Stimulus and that will be Weeded out, thanks Johnny Boy !!
Everything Obama does is a Hidden Agenda….
Everything Bush Jr. did was Transparent and on the Up and Up…
The Straight and Narrow….
Just like Bush’s “This Economy is about to Crater… The Economy is about to tank Out”
Ha !!
Bailed out the Damn Banks and Wall Street and Let the Bankers and Wall Street Executives to Run Wild with the Billions given.
Republican Talking Points: Big Government, get out of the Way and Let the Market Grow….
Go Bankrupt and get Bailed out by the [[Tax Payers]] you Notice that the Republican Party, Never Complain about this Dump on the Tax Payers Next Generation, but You Hear the Republican Pundits Trash Obama, for Dumping this DEBT on the Nation’s Next Generation, because Bush is a Republican and [[Corporate Welfare]] is Acceptable and Dumping such DEBT on the Next Generation is [[Acceptable]] and this “Free Enterprise” Bull-Spit isJustified.
Republicans Creed: Corporate Welfare is Jusifiable and Generational DEBT based on Wall Street & U.S. Bank Bail Outs at the Tax Payers Expense…is ACCEPTABLE
Then these Same So Called Republicans Scream and Moan Over [[Bank Nationalization]]
THE HYPOCRITES !!
Hell, the American Auto Industry should be [[Nationalized]] as well.
Posted by: O. | February 28, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
MayBee – But they won’t rewrite the bill, they will attempt to get the votes to override the veto or use the threat of the government shutting down to force him to sign it. That is the way Congress works. A line-item veto is needed.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 28, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
O…Two words…Anger Manaagement.
Posted by: Parallax View | February 28, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
That school sidewalk is an interesting one… Franklin is the county seat of Robertson County… which is in the congressional district of Jeb Hensarling. I wonder if anyone (like, say, a JOURNALIST) has bothered to ask why Nancy Pelosi is packing the stimulus bill with pork for Jeb Hensarling? Maybe some intrepid reporter (say, someone on the Capitol beat) should ask Jeb just how that got in there…
Posted by: Demesne Lord | February 28, 2009, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
The Republican Party, Socialism Scare Tactic 101, when all else has Failed..
George W.Bush and his then Majority Republican Senate & Congress Passed the Dreaded
[[Patriot Act]]
Which has taken Away…
All American Citizens Rights to Privacy, under Terrorism !!
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George Bush’s …
[2001 One Trillion Dollar Stimulus] that was Passed by his then Majority Republican Senate & Congress.
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George W. Bush, in his 8 Years as President of the USA..
[[Never Vetoed Any Spending Bills that came Across his Desk]]
I SAID NEVER !!
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Oh No, You Won’t call Good Ole Boy George a [[Communist-Marxist]] Huh
George W. Bush put this Country in DEBT to [[Communist-Socialist China]] to the Tune of [[20 Billion per Month]] to Finance our 2 Middle East Wars, with [[Interest]]
Allowed American Corporations to..
[[Dump American Workers]] for …
Cheap [[Communist-Socialist China & Viet Nam]]
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George W. Bush, then Rewarded Corporate America for their Treasonist Behavior, with Tax Breaks and Various other Incentives to Dump America’s Factories and it’s American Factory Workers.
George W. Bush Buys Hugo Chavez’s Oil and You call President Barack H. Obama a Communist-Marxist…
I guess if President Obama was the Corporate Color and hailed from the Southern Bred State of Texas, he would be a [[Great Patriot]] Huh…
Truth: Some of You, should just say You Hate President Obama, because of his Race…
Jeeesh !!
Posted by: O. | February 28, 2009, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
Wow. McCain finally learned how to use a computer? Guess his POW injuries weren’t so bad after all.
Has anybody told him he’s irrelevant?
Posted by: Carolinagirl | February 28, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
So, with some of these arguments I’m reading here I take it that the Libs love the current government spending, but hate the Republicans’ government spending (which was far less at any rate). Yep, really makes sense. I guess also that the 60% Dem earmarks are all good and the 40% Republican earmarks are all bad?
Kind of like now how the war in Afghanistan is all righteous because The One wants to pour more troops in there? Guess it’s like how JFK got us into Vietnam, Johnson increased the number of troops, but Nixon who eventually pulled them out was a ‘pig’ (according to John Lennon at least) and endured the greatest anti-war demonstrations during his presidency?
Personally, I believe each Congressman should get X dollars for earmarks every fiscal year, and when it’s gone, no more. Anything more than that must go through channels and be voted upon by Congress and hopefully be judged to be in the interest of the American people.
The main reason these people exist is to manage America’s Federal monies.
For the record, I dare so most of us Republicans/Conservatives were not and are not happy with the way our Republican congressmen have been wasting our money.
I can’t see how the Democratic congressmen care about what you Lefties think about this any more than most of the Republican congressman apparently care what we think about it.
Posted by: RR GOP | March 1, 2009, 1:20 am 1:20 am
To RR GOP–
Well, you see, the difference between Democratic spending and Republican spending is that the Democrats will tell you during the campaign that they will do it while the Republicans tell you that they won’t (and then do it anyway).
No one really cares if the spending is by a Democrat or a Republican, nor if it is for a Democratic district or a Republican one. That isn’t the point. The point is that Jeb Hensarling (and all the other Republicans) is DISHONEST about it! Hensarling campaigns against big government spending, he goes on television complaining about big government spending, he votes against the bill… but he has stuffed it with projects that benefit his district!
Do Democrats spend more than you would like? Sure. But at least they told you up-front that they were going to do it. Hensarling and his ilk are lying through their teeth about it. And you keep voting for them! Why will you vote for a Republican who spends and lies to your face about it, but you won’t vote for a Democrat who spends and is honest with you about his spending priorities? Really, what is up with that?
Posted by: Demesne Lord | March 1, 2009, 2:33 am 2:33 am
The Mack is Baaaa ummm no.
Posted by: Omentum | March 1, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
The media is a JOKE, I mean isnt it disgusting, how quickly Obamas racist church, terrorist friends, 830K to ACORN, sealed birth certificate, TAX FRAUD for Treasury Secretary, and his broken pledges of transparency, and open government all seem to go unchallenged after one stinking news cycle.
This resident of our country is pushing nothing but snake oil, while president Pelosi (clueless as they come), and vice president Reid (complete utter moron) are raping, and robbing america blind.
They are screwing up this country to the point of no return, and they are doing it on purpose. Can you say “one world socialist goverment?
Posted by: Badger | March 1, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
he media is a JOKE, I mean isnt it disgusting, how quickly Obamas racist church, terrorist friends, 830K to ACORN, sealed birth certificate, TAX FRAUD for Treasury Secretary, and his broken pledges of transparency, and open government all seem to go unchallenged after one stinking news cycle.
This resident of our country is pushing nothing but snake oil, while president Pelosi (clueless as they come), and vice president Reid (complete utter moron) are raping, and robbing america blind.
They are screwing up this country to the point of no return, and they are doing it on purpose. Can you say “one world socialist goverment?
Posted by: Badger | Mar 1, 2009 10:19:14 AM
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Gotta point the finger somewhere
How about point the finger at a party that is severely inept and drastically out of touch with America. I don’t need the media and obviously neither does the majority of Americans to see how dismal the GOP is and how we needed a CLEAN break from the decades of a do-nothing government.
Barack Obama has came in with unprecedented BOLD determination TO CHANGE AMERICA.
That regurgitated drivel that you mentioned was well documented by all news outlets even your coveted Fixed News. America made a decision that drivel was not going to take our eyes off the true need for this country and we DID SO. It’s a shame that you are not one of those people.
Screwing up the country you say????? You must have just awaken from a eight year sleep have you?
Does the name George W. Bush ring a bell? One who is being argued to be the worst president in American history.
So Badger, it is you desire, please continue to fester in yesterday’s news or you can get a clue and Join America
Posted by: Omentum | March 1, 2009, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Kat the Real One, thanks for the info further identifying the honeybee lab in question. That simply proves my point. The earmark provides money for salaries and expenses at the lab. Folks around here are acting as if there would not be honeybee research if not for this earmark. That’s simply not true. As you say, the lab has been in existence and doing research for a long while. All its funding in the past has not come from earmarks, but through regular channels. If more is necessary, they can obtain it through regular means. Using an earmark is not appropriate.
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No, the folks around here were not acting as if there would be no research if not for the earmark. The argument being made clearly had to do with the Weslaco research center, deliberately misstated as a honey bee farm, having scientific and research merits. The thread of argument was obviously about how programs on the list with merit are dismissed and marginalized, not on earmarks per se– something which certainly weren’t absent from the Bush administration, any more than wasteful spending was.
It’s also worth noting again hat the list bears an uncanny resemblance to the one from Feb. 23 in an earlier report on the ABC website. It’s not coincidental that 5 out of 10 of the earmarks on the McCain list were found on the previous report, with the Weslaco lab being tagged as a “honey bee farm,” which it clearly isn’t. That’s an especially high ratio when you consider that there were hundreds of earmaks on the Omnibus bill.
Posted by: kat the real one | March 1, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am
News Flash !!
The American Dollar has No Value…Period
The Dollar is Not Backed by Gold…
Thank The FED and President Woodrow Wilson’s….
Federal Reserve Act of [[1913]] for that Bad Read.
The FED’s Money is Created out of the AIR and therefore, It DeValues the The Dollar…
The More Dollars the FED Prints, the More they Devalue the Currency.
If the USA Dollar was Still Backed by [[Gold]] This Country and it’s Currency would be in far Greater Shape…
Because [[Gold]] has Risen Greatly.
No Sir….
This Country and its [[Hollow Currency]] has been in Recession, long Before President Obama, it just begining to come to LIGHT…
There were More Republican Presidents in the Last 20 Or More Years
Republican: 2 Terms Nixon, 1 Terms Ford, 2 Terms Reagan, 1 Term Bush Sr, 2 Terms Bush Jr.
President: 1 Term Carter, 2 Term Clinton & Obama
None of these Presidents did Anything regarding Getting Our Currency Back to the [[Gold Standard]]
None of them, but Look who was in Power the Longest….Republicans
Now their Followers are trying to Spread, Fear, Hate, Dread & Hopelessness…
Because it is the ONLY CARD they have left to PLAY
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Ron Paul is the only Politician, to Address this matter of [[Gold]] being the Standard of the US Dollar, once More.
Posted by: O. | March 1, 2009, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
It is not surprise to me that those questioning the budget and supporting the McCain Tweetmobile are expecting things to be put to right in just over a month. Really folks, it took 8 years (count them) to get in this mess. A little research such that put forth by Willem van Oranje reminds us that there is sometime more to an issue that appears on the surface. I personally would feel a little foolish if I were McCain. Doesn’t he do his homework before he votes? Evidently not.
Posted by: b | March 1, 2009, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
kat,tro:when you consider that there were hundreds of earmaks on the Omnibus bill
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Just highlighting this important point
Posted by: Maybee | March 2, 2009, 1:28 am 1:28 am
kat,tro:when you consider that there were hundreds of earmaks on the Omnibus bill
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Just highlighting this important point
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Actually, I was being inaccurate about hundreds; it’s 8,750 earmarks and they’re from last year. So it’s all the more amazing that 5 out of 10 on McCain’s Twitter list were identical to an earlier ABC report, down to the exactly misworded, “honey bee factory.”
Posted by: kat the real one | March 2, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Such wasteful spending , How can the government get away with this? Don’t forget to join the santelli tea party.
Posted by: Bill Toranzo | March 2, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am
You People are making a Hurricane out of a out of a [[Very Light Rain Cloud]]
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Billions in Earmarks contained in the $410 Billion Omnibus spending bill — and campaign pledges to “Slash Earmarks by more than Half” — the President would sign the bill.
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Taxpayers for Common Sense says the Bill contains [[8,570]] Earmarks at a Cost of [[$7.7 Billion]].
An estimated 60% of the Earmarks are from [[Democrats]], while [[Republicans]] requested the remaining 40%.
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Note: Wow Such Wasteful Earmark Spending…
Out of 410 Billion Dollars…
Only 7.7 Billion Dollars of Wasteful Earmarks…
Oh The Shame!!
Please…
You People act as if, Earmarks are 70% of the Omnibus Package…
I’m Not Impressed at all or Shocked at all.
From the Reaction
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I was Expecting the Omnibus to be at Least 25-30% laden with Earmarks !!
7.7 Billion from a 410 Billion Dollar Package..Please
Posted by: O. | March 2, 2009, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
To O. here we go again with you bringing race into the equation.
Just say it as you see it, you hate rep earmarks but with dem earmarks in the billions your ok with. Hope your job is secure.
Posted by: Lizzie | March 2, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Have all of these politicians forgotten who they work for? Who pays the check, Who works our buts off? I can’t believe what is happening. Put your personal ideas and personal goals aside and do what is right for this country and the tax payers who have kept all of you in a job.
Posted by: Ind. Bus. Owner | March 4, 2009, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Mr. Obama won’t veto it because he loves the idea of more taxpayer money being spent on ridiculous nonsense. He thinks it will stimulate the economy. His failure to take action at a time when the country is bankrupt shows just how little Washington politicians think of taxpayer money. To them it is something to be played with, just like monopoly money. They absolutely no concern for the taxpayer and the money we give Washington to run this country. Both parties for decades have spent our money on garbage that really did not need to be spend by Washington. If the local people really needed it, they would find some way to pay for these pork projects. Why should someone in Iowa pay for some fruit fly research in New Jersey? Washington is out of touch with the citizens. But we deserve what we get.We keep re electing the same people expecting them to change their ways. That is like expecting a fireman trying to put out a fire with a squirt gun and failing every time. Yet, when he goes to his next fire, he does it again. Why are we so stupid to expect anything better than what we keep sending to the corrupt halls of Washington. God help us.
Posted by: tom | March 4, 2009, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
Read some damn science before you criticize these projects.
Please realize the total costs of all these projects is less than one tenth the wealth of the rich twit who’s twittering.
Several of these projects have the potential to save several times their cost. Pennywise, pound foolish.
Posted by: Snig | March 10, 2009, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
Fruit flies are one of the most common species used for genetic research, including research to cure autism. Saying that money is being “wasted” on “fruit fly research” is like saying money that we spent to build Humvee armor was wasted on “steel refinement”.
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