Chuck Hagel on the Judd Gregg Withdrawal: ‘It Was Sloppy. It Was Awkward’
On this weeks’ ABC News Shuffle podcast: former Sen. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., the new chairman of The Atlantic Council.
You can listen to it on iTunes or HERE.
Hagel admitted that he "was a little surprised when I first learned that Judd Gregg was going to accept an appointment to the Obama Cabinet." Hagel said he admires Gregg a great deal, but also thinks of him as holding "a clear set of political principals about the role of government and governance and I never saw any daylight there — at least that I was aware of — between Obama and Judd where in fact the two of them could be together within some kind of a framework in joining of even a general philosophical approach to how we should govern over the next four years."
So he was "not surprised when I heard yesterday that, based on all the reasons Judd presented, that he just thought he couldn’t go forward and I respect that. It’s too bad both for Judd and the president that it had to be done this way. It was sloppy, it was awkward, I don’t think anyone was covered with any great deal of glory over how this was handled."
Hagel said he has spoken with both President Obama and Vice President Biden in the past few months, but he wouldn’t be specific about whether he’d been offered a Cabinet position. (He also wouldn’t tell me whom he voted for, though he brought up that his wife had endorsed Obama.)
"I’ve told President Obama and Vice President Joe Biden … I told them I would help them in any way I could," Hagel said, "and we have discussed many things but to go beyond that would break some confidentiality and that’s something I don’t want to do."
Would he consider joining the Obama administration?
"I think any American who cares enough about his or her country — if you believe you can make a contribution — would always be in a position to entertain any requests from the president of the United States. I don’t think that’s unique to me. … We’ll deal with it as it comes," he said.
Hagel is succeeding Marine Gen. Jim Jones (Ret.) as chair of the Council, which works to promote "constructive U.S. leadership and engagement in international affairs based on the central role of the Atlantic community in meeting the international challenges of the 21st century." Jones, of course, is now President Obama’s National Security Adviser.
Hagel says the U.S. has "to find some new frameworks of policy that will engage the world, put America back in a position where we are respected, where we are trusted, where we have developed, and people have confidence in our leadership and I think that’s what Obama and his team are going to have to do."
Asked why the U.S. has to beg NATO countries to help send more troops to Afghanistan — as recently happened at the Security Conference in Munich — Hagel said, "I think some of the policies and the way we’ve handled these issues over the last few years has not enhanced brining a relationship together based on cooperation and common interest. For example, the former secretary of defense… Secretary Rumsfeld went to that conference a few years ago — I was there — and that’s where he of course got into his famous ‘old Europe’ and ‘new Europe’ and really, whether was intentional or not, laid down the framework for dividing Europe, and it did not help us, it did not enhance us with our allies, and it’s those kind of things that have occurred over the years also have led to some divides here in the Atlantic alliance. But I think we have some real opportunities to put all that back together."
We also talked about Defense Secretary Gates, the Georgetown Hoyas, and other matters.
ABC News’ Huma Khan produced the podcast, with Lindsey Ellerson. My ABC News White House booth-mates Sunlen Miller and Karen Travers kicked in some help as well.
Again, you can listen to the ABC News Shuffle on iTunes or HERE.
– jpt

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Posted by: mad | February 13, 2009, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Good riddance to Gregg. He wasn’t exactly the ideal pick given he voted against Clinton’s emergency census funding in 1999, along with advocating earlier that the commerce department be abolished. Obama’s hand, extended in bipartisanship, keeps getting bit.
Posted by: kathy | February 13, 2009, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Mad – LOL. Exactly.
Maybe Gregg felt uncomfortable being in a cabinet with so many tax cheats!
Posted by: Peach | February 13, 2009, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
So telling it like it is that France was being led by elitist “progressive” oligarchy and the Germans after everything couldn’t decide which side their bread was buttered on while Eastern Europe knew the value of freedom over oppression – That’s wrong.
But Dianne Feinstein giving away the secret cover story for Pakistan – that it actually hosts the Predator drones – that’s no problem.
It’s still the New Europe that needs help from encroaching Russia and its New Europe that will help on missile defense and however else they can (Georgians, Poles etc in Iraq and Afghanistan)
Posted by: robert b | February 13, 2009, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm
“I think some of the policies and the way we’ve handled these issues over the last few years has not enhanced brining a relationship together based on cooperation and common interest”
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Oh really, so our Foreign Relations with NATO over the past few years have not been handled well?
Well, it’s a good thing none of the people in our Government responsible for Foreign Relations with NATO over the past few years are anywhere near foreign policy now.
Oh, wait….
Posted by: MayBee | February 13, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
“So telling it like it is that France was being led by elitist “progressive” oligarchy and the Germans after everything couldn’t decide which side their bread was buttered on while Eastern Europe knew the value of freedom over oppression”
This attitude is why right wingers should keep their yaps shut and exactly what Hagel was talking about.
Right wing maturity is perfectly summed up by the freedom fries episode.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 13, 2009, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
My Theory:
At the point Gregg accepted, President Obama still resembled a centrist. Since then Obama has supported the “stimulus” bill (eg, huge money grab), supported the census change (eg, huge power grab), and done lots of partisan finger-pointing. The President’s true colors are now showing.
I can see why Gregg backed out.
Posted by: Open-Mind | February 13, 2009, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
Right wing maturity is perfectly summed up by the freedom fries episode.
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True, “freedom fries” was goofy. Much like Americans sewing Canadian flags to their backpacks when they travel overseas. Two sides of the same goofy coin.
Posted by: MayBee | February 13, 2009, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Yeah “yaps shut” is very high tone version of the USUAL liberal shut down – really “The time for debate is over” is more urbane AND uses an indirect approach that makes us Neanderthals think twice if we can manage it.
Freedom fries – well yeah a little simplistic – but how about lib Chicken littles that focus solely on the sky is falling over carbon – and blow off any other data (“debate is over” again) and ignore the local devastations by China and other developing nations) of dust, pollution and desertification that go way beyond CO2. Now its not global warming but climate change which may or may not occur after the sunspot cycle of the next decade
Posted by: robert b | February 13, 2009, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Gregg put his own name up for consideration (nominated himself). Maybe he believed all the right wing taking points and in fact was hoping to work for a socialist? Maybe he really hates America and wanted to work for someone who wasn’t even born here? Maybe he really wanted us to lose in Iraq? Maybe he objected to all the tax cuts in the recovery act? Maybe he felt that Obama shouldn’t escalate the war against Afghanistan?
Why dont we try asking him?
By the way, Obama says he declined because he wants to stay in the Senate, and now we find out that he isn’t going to run for re-election.
Something smells rotten in the state of BizarroRepublicanWorld/
Posted by: Flash Override | February 13, 2009, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Come on Hagel, when as an average American have you walked among people in other countries without them knowing you were a famous politician? I have traveled abroad since the 70′s and there were some places that as an American you were accepted and others where you watched your back.
Mr Hagel needs to measure his importance by sticking his hand in a bucket of water, pulling it out and seeing how quickly the water replaces the space his hand was in.
Posted by: david | February 13, 2009, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
“True, “freedom fries” was goofy. Much like Americans sewing Canadian flags to their backpacks when they travel overseas. Two sides of the same goofy coin.”
Not really.
A guy wearing a cheese eating surrender monkey tshirt would be equivalent.
And I could care less. Freedom of speech and all that jazz.
Bob Ney (later convicted of corruption…shocker!) and Walter Jones (who has since that moment turned against the war and the Bush admin) were United States Congressman using their authority in Congress.
It was beyond stupid.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 13, 2009, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
True, “freedom fries” was goofy. Much like Americans sewing Canadian flags to their backpacks when they travel overseas. Two sides of the same goofy coin.
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They’re actually both on the same side of the coin. The travelers in Europe that were doing that after the Iraq War were disguising their nationality out of fear of the European reaction to them being American. The Freedom Fries and Americans feeling that they had to hide were both forms of xenophobia.
Posted by: kathy | February 13, 2009, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
Obama needs to move on quickly and aggresively to appoint the best people for his cabinet. the bi-partisan, extending the hand has gone too far. a loyal liberal beats a back-stabbing republican any day and work needs to be done. it’s like moving in slow motion. the pace of work in D.C. needs to pick up and any republican involvement will simply slow down and ruin Obama’s presidency.
i think we all see now that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. now let’s just get to work on the projects the president talked about during the campaign and bury any hopes of bipartisanship.
the democrats in their worst hours in 2000-2008 treated Bush with infinitely more respect (and their votes showed this) than the republicans will ever show Obama.
your were right when you said “i won,” Mr. President. times to rub their faces in it (sad to say).
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
“Now its not global warming but climate change which may or may not occur after the sunspot cycle of the next decade”
People who deny climate change fall into 3 categories:
1) Ideological hacks
2) Bought and paid for scientists.
3) The gullible.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 13, 2009, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Maybe Gregg felt uncomfortable being in a cabinet with so many tax cheats!
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Maybe it’s because he felt uncomfortable after the public exposure of his voting records and stances against the census and the commerce department.
Posted by: kathy | February 13, 2009, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Maybe it’s because he felt uncomfortable after the public exposure of his voting records and stances against the census and the commerce department.
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Like voting in favor of abolishing the agency as a member of the Budget Committee?
Posted by: Paige | February 13, 2009, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
People who deny climate change fall into 3 categories:
1) Ideological hacks (No there you go again with insults – yap, hack, wingbat whatever. I am an American with American values. I’m even college edgeukated)
2) Bought and paid for scientists.
(the old biostitute dodge. Maybe you’re thinking of tobacco companies and Thank you for smoking. But it doesnt really apply when political arranged international conferences make the news while hosts of climatologists, biologists, etc etc have plenty of doubts)
3) The gullible. (Yeah you pay your money for Gore and his incredible mansion heated by carbon credits and limos and Learjets idling outside conferences – and you talk about gullible!!!)
Posted by: robert b | February 13, 2009, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
robert b—just love the Limbaugh adjectives you use. vacuous and meaningless. get away from The Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies (a non-degree awarding institution). But Rush with his high school mis-education is more intelligent than a scientist with a PhD? take a biology or geology class at a local community college and learn for yourself.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Comparing Rush against Bill Gates, both college dropouts, or who was a better Yalie – Kerry or Bush. Not relevant to this debate.
There are academics on both sides of this debate, which is not over, and one sides proofs become more nebulous and their aims at once more nakedly political, spiritual pantheisticm and also a matter of egotistic “scientism” and the profits to be made off of alternative energy.
But to defend against their logic gaps and their own bad motives they call their opposition ignorant and hacks.
And yes you do this not only in the climate change cause but any liberal agenda going. And you’re the ones woefully ignorant of the damage caused by concentrating on your never never land instead of the real needs of people to live free and prosper in the land both home and abroad.
Posted by: robert b | February 13, 2009, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
robert b—”instead of the real needs of people to live free and prosper in the land both home and abroad.” how do live and prosper when the planet is not dying. that not all scientists agree i concede. scientists in all fields disagree. there are even holocaust deniers. i would imagine that scientists who are unconcerned and unpersuaded either have no children, or, if they do, teach them to recycle and drive fuel efficient cars. look at any big, industial city from 40 miles away on a crisp winter morning and you will literally see the oxgygen at about 20,000 feet. below that is colorful but harmful emissions.
i live in Dallas (yes that commie, liberal city). in the summer we have ozone action days—no oxygen. i am a healthy young, non-smoking man and i find myself gasping for air to get indoors like i have emphysema. people suffer. but that doesn’t matter in republican dogma.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
robert b: The current climate change theory is based on the observed data and is the best analytical model to fit it. Opposition to climate change therory has offered not alternative model that fits the observed data as closely nor that has had as great a success predicting future events. Science is about fitting the observed data and making predictions; climate change opposition appears to be about zealots denouncing a washed up VP from the 90′s.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 13, 2009, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
Still waiting for a further explanation of Gregg’s contacts with Senate Republicans throughout his nomination process. Was the Census ever discussed? I’ll bet it was…
Posted by: matt | February 13, 2009, 8:23 pm 8:23 pm
paul that’s smog local ionized O and partics and SO . I’m so cal so I Know smog
GLOBAL climate change is diff kettle of fish of too much CO2 which otherwise nontox
next! (via cell)
Posted by: robert b | February 13, 2009, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
anyhow obama deserves hagel if he’s become a old europe fan. its india and new europe and free iraq that’s the real hope to take the stands and hold them. old tired eur has elitism demographics against them
Posted by: rob b | February 13, 2009, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
I think that even Gregg was surprised at the “junk and incompetence” coming out of this administration – AND ONLY AFTER THREE WEEKS!!! Gregg got out as best he could – AND FAST!! ABC and the rest are trying to trash Gregg as they did with Palin and Joe the plumber -so what’s new?
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
robert b—i think at the ground level where people are actually “living” (dying) it’s more like carbon monoxide, nitrogen dioxide and sulfer dioxide. why does repiratory failure in its variant forms peak in the summer when you have heat, ozone and lack of oxygen. are the people in respiratory distress psychiatric cases? look at CDC and NIH data on air quality and respiratory failure.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
even though i lean left i like Palin and think how she was treated was horrible. but she was smart enough that when the campaign was over she ran like hell away from the right wing. why not trash Joe the Plummer? he lied about his profession (he was a plummer’s assistant) and was obviously a plant, and a tax cheat. Gregg is trash that should have been on the curb weeks ago except that, like Joe the plummer, he misrespresented who he was. he asked for the job and when things got tough his spine turned to jello.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Paul Well – nice rry, but just a bunch of BS!
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
robert b—i grew up in El Paso and lead was smelted at that time. pioneering studies done in that city demonstrate lead poisons children. it was seen on x-rays in the children’s joints. but they were Hispanic children and no one cared. eventually the quit smelting it and moved on to copper.
what we put in the environment is destroying it and us. go to any emergency room in summer and be suprised to find there are more people there for respiratory distress than heat exaustion.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
Arlen Spector
“When I came back to the cloak room after coming to the agreement a week ago today,” said Specter, “one of my colleagues said, ‘Arlen, I’m proud of you.’ My Republican colleague said, ‘Arlen, I’m proud of you.’ I said, ‘Are you going to vote with me?’ And he said, ‘No, I might have a primary.’ And I said, ‘Well, you know very well I’m going to have a primary.’”
Posted by: Thinking | February 13, 2009, 9:11 pm 9:11 pm
Manitu—what’s BS? did Joe the Plummer not lie? is he not a tax cheat? did Gregg not beg for the job then cut and run when things got tough? not BS, facts.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
Paul Wall – nice try, but a little heavy on the spin?
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
for robert b—”Ozone is a highly reactive form of oxygen. In the upper atmosphere, ozone forms a protective layer that shields us from the sun’s ultraviolet rays. At ground level, ozone is a harmful air pollutant and a primary constituent of urban smog. Ozone is produced when air pollutants from automobile emissions and manufacturing operations interact with sunlight. Long-term exposure to high concentrations of ozone can cause a significant reduction in lung function, inflammation of the airways, and respiratory ditress.” (from NIH)
i don’t know if four months exposure constitutes “long-term exposure” but something tells me you work indoors or on a beach.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
Paul Wall.
Problem differentiating facts from opinion? As in – Bush lied about Iraq? How can one lie about a judgement decision which was based upon faulty information (which Saddam himself admitted putting out to keep Iran off his back). Re. Gregg and Joe the plumber – lots of grey here.
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Manitu—it’s not a try or spin. just answer a) is/was Joe a plumber? b) did Gregg ask for the job?
yeah it may be spin to call one a liar and hippocrit and the other spineless but neither have qualities anyone can admire.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm
Manitu—”lots of gray there”, was he a plumber or not? did he pay his taxes? did Gregg ask for the job or not? are these guys role models for how to be good americans?
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm
and Manitu—i don’t know if Bush knew about Iraq. maybe he didn’t. the point is he didn’t care. but i don’t blame Bush, Cheney was the one throwing gas on the fire and if anyone goes down from the bush administration i hope it is Cheney.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm
Manitu— and “”junk and incompetence” coming out of this administration” is not spin, lol. like Limbaugh.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm
Paul Wall
I am behind on my taxes – does that make me a tax cheat? And Joe the plumber was a machinist or an auto mechanic?
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Manitu—”I am behind on my taxes – does that make me a tax cheat? And Joe the plumber was a machinist or an auto mechanic?” i don’t think you are a tax cheat. you didn’t come out of nowhere pretending to be someone you are not and pretending to be concerned about things as if you were another person. i’m a librarian. it doesn’t matter that i am, just that if i say i am a laawyer or a doctor or a cosmetologist i would be a liar. there are pleanty of good, honest republicans to stand behind, why Joe the Plumber? he lied.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
obama came down joes street. he was no plant but trashed in 24 hrs with gov emp help. Amer special int elite gov media and pols at work good job guys
Posted by: rob b | February 13, 2009, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Manitu, this is what i have a problem with: “I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year.” “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?”—Joe the Plumber
that was a lie. he was never a plumber and never getting ready to buy a business. he was an assistant without a plumbers license. i can fix my sink and i can hold the wrench for a plumber but that will never make me a plumber and i would never be intending to buy a $200,000 business. if i made such lies public i would expect to be exposed.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
Paul Wall
I am behind on my taxes – does that make me a tax cheat? And, was Joe the Plumber a machinist or an auto mechanic? Your logic (or rsther lack of) is a good example why liberal talk radio is a dismal failure – not much logic there either. Liberals think with their feelings and invent scenarios or colorful adjectives to support their opinions – as in the terms “Lie, illegal, criminal” – you get the idea.
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Good Riddance Gregg….spineless, partisan coward. You know you asked for consideration for that job. Out of all the Republicans why would the President just out of blue pick YOU.
Posted by: sngeorgia | February 13, 2009, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Liberals think with their feelings and invent scenarios or colorful adjectives to support their opinions – as in the terms “Lie, illegal, criminal” – you get the idea.
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Oh Please! Have you not heard from the GOP? Twice as many jobs at Half the price? My if it was that easy why did we have this recession to begin with?
It was supposed to be Jobs, Jobs, Jobs, but instead it is Spend, spend, spend. Hmmm…. how are jobs created with out money flow? Who’s lying?
Posted by: Thinking | February 13, 2009, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Business creates economic value. The government can only create conditions from which business can prosper. For ex. Ireland recently cut coorporate taxes down to around 12 percent and the place is booming. Obama’s stimulus package is a joke – trying to copy FDR -which was also a joke. HOW MANY ECONOMISTS BELIEVE THAT WE CAN SPEND OUR WAY TO ECONOMIC RECERVERY? VERY, VERY, VERY, FEW!!
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
House members receive the stimulus bill about eleven last night. It is about 1,100 pages long filled with crossed out sections and with hand written entries on sides and bottoms. Has ANY member actually read and digested the material before the vote yesterday afternoon – OF COURSE NOT!!!!! It is the costliest bill IN OUR HISTORY and no member had a chance to study it???? ARE HALF THE VOTERS IN THIS COUNTRY CLUELESS OR WHAT? THEY DESERVE OBAMA, PELOSI AND CROWD……. THE REST OF US DON’T!!
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
Business creates economic value. The government can only create conditions from which business can prosper. For ex. Ireland recently cut coorporate taxes down to around 12 percent and the place is booming.
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Hmmmmm……..
Ireland moved toward greater government control of its financial system Wednesday by bailing out its two largest lenders, while shareholders in Fortis, once the biggest bank in Belgium, derailed state-led plans to sell the nationalized business to BNP Paribas of France.
Together, the moves suggested that Europe – like the United States – was still struggling to find the right template for stabilizing its banks, one that could soothe jittery markets and an increasingly incensed public.
The Irish government, meeting Wednesday night, approved a capital injection of €3.5 billion, or $4.5 billion, each for Allied Irish Banks and Bank of Ireland, a Finance Ministry official said. Bloomberg News reported later Wednesday night that the ministry confirmed the move in an e-mail message.
That made Ireland the first European Union country to take de facto control of all of its most important banks. Last month, the government stepped in to nationalize the teetering Anglo Irish Bank, which was No.3.
Posted by: Thinking | February 13, 2009, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
Manitu—like Supertramp said “watch what you say, they’ll be calling you a liberal, a radical.” all you say is i’m not logical. i honestly do not listen to “liberal talk radio” (i wish i had those stations). and i’m not illogical:
Joe was NOT a plumber—FACT
Joe was not starting a $250,00 business–FACT. Gregg asked for the job—FACT. tell me where i made something up or am illogical.
“conservative talk shows” cannot take away the truth that Joe lied about his job and his financial plans. take responsibility. Joe is the liar, not me. because you are upset with the truth don’t be angry with me. i didn’t not invent Joe’s lies he did. even he would admit it.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Paul Wall – Obama is doing just fine trashing his presidency, he requires no help from the Rep. It’s going to be a long 4 years and maybe we will get someone who cares about the United States of America not some special intrest groups or Al Gore’s money machine global warming.
Posted by: Bob | February 13, 2009, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
We just glad that Judd Gregg came to his senses. To think that folks should migrate from one party to the other party is just not to be done.
If Mr. Hagel could have gotten to you earlier Senator Gregg, I know you would have appreciated his advice about how to resign your position gracefully. Mr. Hagel, the rest of us don’t care as long as he in our side.
Posted by: elainekramer | February 13, 2009, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
House members receive the stimulus bill about eleven last night. It is about 1,100 pages long filled with crossed out sections and with hand written entries on sides and bottoms. Has ANY member actually read and digested the material before the vote yesterday afternoon – OF COURSE NOT
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Oh sure it has about 25 lines a page with about 7 words a line, that is about 175 words a page, and they have been arguing about it for weeks. The GOP has been telling us all about for weeks now. Who you kidding? Some one had to write it, some one debated it, some one typed it. Give me a break another typical but ridiculous argument.
Posted by: Thinking | February 13, 2009, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
I don’t have no respect for Chuck Hagel.
Sen. Gregg did the right thing.
Posted by: anonymous | February 13, 2009, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
Thinking
True re. Ireland but the recession was caused by defaulting sub prime loans here and spread to global markets. It has nothing to do with how true economic value is created. Bush had his first six years with great prosperity – until the housing market crashed. Bush tried several times to warn congress with no success. I do blame Bush for not going directly to the American people instead of wasting time with the Barny Franks, who basically allowed this mess to happen.
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
Four billion for ACORN? PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP THE STIMULUS BILL!! THE ONLY THING THAT WILL STIMULATE IS MORE DEMOCRATS RECRUITING MORE DEMOCRATS TO PROMOTE MORE VOTER FRAUD!!! WHAT A WASTE!!
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
It is simply. If Republicans do not want help from the government when they get fired and support these group of neo-reprehensible maniacs….Do not get the money nor the help and pass it to someone who actually needs it.
Enough of Republicans grossness, abusive behavior and LIES.
Posted by: A; | February 13, 2009, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Gregg is reprehensible and his actions show who he really is…an anti-patriot like all republicans on Congress and the Senate.
Enough of Republicans lies and manipulations.
Posted by: A; | February 13, 2009, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Thinking
According to your figures, one page of the stimulus bill is about equal to one page of a paperback. When was the last time you read and digested an eleven hundred page paperback in a matter of a few hours? AND …… WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE MOST COSTLIEST SPENDING BILL IN AMERICAN HISTORY – NO WONDER ALL REPS AND SOME DEMS VOTED AGAINST IT!!
Posted by: Manitu | February 13, 2009, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
Bob—Obama is doing fine. he doesn’t need any republicans, i agree.
early days of all presidencies are a struggle. give the guy a chance if you can.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
According to your figures, one page of the stimulus bill is about equal to one page of a paperback. When was the last time you read and digested an eleven hundred page paperback in a matter of a few hours?
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On my last exam. Did you ever had to study for a master? Or for a career other than typing?
Posted by: A; | February 13, 2009, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
I really admire Chuck Hagel and was hoping President Obama would put him in his Cabinet. As far a Gregg what a Spineless Wimp he asked for the Job and President Obama gave it to him and he let himself be bullied By the Republicans,
Posted by: Angie | February 13, 2009, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm
Obama and the democrats had to make the hard choice, create a stimulus package and turn around a national crisis. that republicans are still talk about tax breaks for corporations who lay off, ship away jobs, or squander and pillage their corporations at the taxpayers expense and giving the wealthiest americans the most breaks are out of touch and have lost their souls.
it’s easy to be a republican and say “not one of us voted for it.” any coward would say that. they have no alternative save tax breaks, nothing to stimulate employment or capital flow. so if it works out they will say “well we didn’t vote for just because of paragaraph 9(c), 3B2, section 5, otherwise we we’re completely behind you Mr. President. if it doesn’t work: the republican standard “nanny-nanny poo-poo.
spineless invertabrates. thank God the majority of Americans voted for change of republican business as usual.
and blame (former for a reason) Sen Graham (you remember him “we’re a nation of whiners”?) for the legislation that got us here.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
You took an exam for a masters that was 1100 pages long? Which university and what program please?
Posted by: Der Kempt | February 13, 2009, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm
Der Kempt—”You took an exam for a masters that was 1100 pages long? Which university and what program please?”
a; said he or she read a book that long not a test.
READ. and what business is it of your’s where anyone is going to university. you don’t have your education posted. that’s arrogant.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 14, 2009, 12:04 am 12:04 am
Hey Manitu,
You probably still think that George Bush took Florida in 2000. The joke is on you.
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I’m stickin’ with Obama!
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | February 14, 2009, 12:12 am 12:12 am
Manitu: The final bill has only a few dozen pages worth of changes from the one published over a week ago. Any congresscritter claiming they haven’t had a chance to read it is just pandering to an ignorant base – their staff probably had interpretive sticky notes next to every highlighted change on their desk within two hours of its release. And if not, that staff should be fired.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 14, 2009, 12:17 am 12:17 am
West coast
I remember during the Campaign you use to come on here and bash President obama Hard.You sad alot of bad things about him whats the change?
Posted by: Angie | February 14, 2009, 12:35 am 12:35 am
Bdbadman
Maybe West coast Woke up and Realized that The republicans and Bush has put us in this Mess,And President Obama And the Democrats are trying to Fix it. The bill passed tonight Congratulations to the President! and for Republicans dont Need ya And To be honest We dont want ya!
Posted by: Angie | February 14, 2009, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Jake it’s obvious this administration has done the exact opposite with transperency. They said they would post and wait five days before signning anything. Now they throw the stimulus package up and within 48 hours they did an Emiril. BAM
How is it they can get 1000 plus pages on line and can’t get you 17 waivers you asked for last week.
Posted by: bdaman | February 14, 2009, 12:50 am 12:50 am
Angie the issue is not gonna go away. What do you think that just because he got sworn in thats it. Why does he not want people to see his college records, passport records, and original Vault cerificate. Don’t you think there needs to be openness and transperency. just sayin
Posted by: bdaman | February 14, 2009, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Westcoastmessenger!
So good to see you. Props to you, man.
I think things worked out great with HRC going to State. I think she’ll do great things. I’m thinking she’s a lock for 2016. The long view, man, the long view…
Posted by: Tungsten | February 14, 2009, 12:58 am 12:58 am
It is good that the bill has been passed… no doubt that the president used his poltical arm to pass the bill but somehow we are all tired of that even though it passed tonight… the point is it is borderline illegal to use campaign operatives to pass congressional legislation anywayI heard this morning that the obamabots are warn out and frustrated that the white house simply doesnt work the way they campaigned… apparently they are the kinda people to have watched John Adams the series!
Posted by: JG | February 14, 2009, 1:03 am 1:03 am
Hmmm, not sure what I did to get booted off the island, with my comments disappearing. But, whatever. It’s not my blog, after all.
First off, I think it’s interesting that all these birth certificate ranters just want some sort of magic wand to make Obama disappear. Tough luck, fellas. Crazy lefties wanted the same thing to happen with Reagan.
Second off, always great to see Westcoastmessenger. Much respect. Knows how to throw the sharp elbows when needed.
Posted by: Tungsten | February 14, 2009, 1:06 am 1:06 am
tongsten
yep HRC is in the best pole position for 2016 but she might be the vp nominee in 2012 if things look bleak for Obama then if the obamabots can bite their tongues they still think that it was they that that the president does his business for but you have to govern from the center so no skinny legged vegan ultra liberals should have the power to run the white house
Posted by: JG | February 14, 2009, 1:06 am 1:06 am
yea Tungsten and westcoast messenger and I battled the nutcases in the primaries its great that the stimulus bill passed and its great that pelosi didnt get everything she wanted which is surprising since she basically got him elected by herself
Posted by: JG | February 14, 2009, 1:10 am 1:10 am
JG,
First off, let’s consign the term “obamabots” to 2008, shall we? Sorry, it’s just tired. Frankly, HRC is better off at state than in the VP office. Far more visible, and it actually involves running something.
Second off, how great is it that the GOP just voted against the LARGEST MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT IN HISTORY. I guess they only like cutting taxes for the rich.
Posted by: Tungsten | February 14, 2009, 1:16 am 1:16 am
“I think things worked out great with HRC going to State. I think she’ll do great things. I’m thinking she’s a lock for 2016. The long view, man, the long view…”
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Tungsten, I hate to tell you but in the “long view”, in 2016, Hillary will be over McCain’s current age. You can thank your hero, Obama for that by placing her in an important but, in a position where he can control her political aspirations for years to come. After only 20 days of comrade Obama, it is easy to see the seeds of discontent growing against the socialists. Thank you Obama for taking Hillary out!
Posted by: Mihann | February 14, 2009, 1:18 am 1:18 am
Mihann:
News flash: nobody cared about McCain’s age. They hated his kooky right wing ideology and his nutcase veep selection. That, and the fact that the Republican party is in the toilet thanks to W and his crew.
Second, the whole “socialism” thing plays well with the 30% or so who think W did a great job, or the 5% nation of dittoheads. Not much traction beyond that, my friend.
Just remember: the GOP voted against the biggest middle class tax cut ever.
Posted by: Tungsten | February 14, 2009, 1:25 am 1:25 am
tungsten
Im for the President just not for campaigning after you are in the white house… and HRC would be better than Biden at state its just that some Obama supporters didnt want to see her VP at any cost and some stupid mistakes that the administration has made came while trying to appease supporters he had from the beginning thats not exactly sane
Posted by: JG | February 14, 2009, 1:26 am 1:26 am
mihann
whether your hero Rush did or did not affect the election … HRC will be president whether in 2012 or 2016 and you will deal with it or leave!
Posted by: JG | February 14, 2009, 1:28 am 1:28 am
RE: Clinton’s age: Mihann,I know math is hard for Republicans. However:
McCain was 72 in 2008. In 2016, HRC will be 69.
He was born in august 1936, she in Oct. 1947.
Posted by: Tungsten | February 14, 2009, 1:33 am 1:33 am
who gives a rats rear end about Hagel’s opinion on anything
Posted by: Sluggo | February 14, 2009, 3:28 am 3:28 am
immensely enjoyable podcast, Jake.
Posted by: tw | February 14, 2009, 7:28 am 7:28 am
David are you kidding me.
Wow, Tapper is awfully weird. It seems every single story he blogs about or reports on has to do with him somehow trying to embarass the president.
The O is embar-ass-ing himself. Other reporters are reporting like Jake because of that FACT. The only reporters not doing that are over at CNN. I bet thats the channel you watch.
Nielsen Ratings
FOXNEWS O’REILLY 3,494,000
FOXNEWS HANNITY 2,658,000
FOXNEWS BECK 2,370,000
FOXNEWS BAIER 2,305,000
FOXNEWS SHEP 2,190,000
FOXNEWS GRETA 1,847,000
CNN KING 1,761,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 1,485,000
CNN COOPER 1,286,000
CNN BLITZER 1,246,000
MSNBC MADDOW 1,240,000
Posted by: bdaman | February 14, 2009, 7:28 am 7:28 am
The “O” I like to call him that in refercence to th other Big “O”. It feels really, really good getting to that point of euphoria only for it to be short lived. Then you have to do it all over again. Maybe thats why he flew all over the country and climaxed last night with their victory on the stimulate me package. Monday can’t get here quick enough for me.
Posted by: Bdaman | February 14, 2009, 7:35 am 7:35 am
Jake any luck with those certificates yet. By the way his counsel is trying to block his records from Occidental College to be released. Jake where is the openness and transperency he promised. Don’t you believe it’s pretty simple to put an end to all of this and say here it is. I remember Bush’s first go around the media focused for a month on his military record. Jake I know you see right thru this administration. Come on man what are you waiting for.
A high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing President Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be “monetary sanctions” against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn’t qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution’s demand for a “natural born” citizen in that post.
Posted by: bdaman | February 14, 2009, 7:37 am 7:37 am
How many of you know that approximatley 20 states have introduced legislation for sovereignty under the tenth amendment.Some of those states are Washington, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Michigan, Arizona, Missouri and Montana.
Yesterday, MS State Senator Authors Bill Protecting Gun Owners During Martial Law Mississippi lawmakers have passed a bill to protect the state’s residents during martial law. On the Office of the Lieutenant Governor of Mississippi website, Phil Bryant announces the passage of SB 2036.
Do you wonder why all these states would want to do that, wonder why states are talking about martial law. It aint because The “O” and his gang are doing a good job.
Posted by: bdaman | February 14, 2009, 7:48 am 7:48 am
The strange things about these Senators, like Chuck Hagel, who truly wants the cross Cabinet job, keeps campaigning and saying that he will accept because our countries is in need. But Senator, if you truly want to help our country, staying as Senator is also a call to service.
Posted by: young_voter | February 14, 2009, 8:37 am 8:37 am
Nobody cares what Hagel (R-ESS) has to say
Posted by: Flash Override | February 14, 2009, 9:02 am 9:02 am
Hagel is nothing but a self-absorbed tool of the liberal traitors that are excreted by the Poison Ivy League. It’s truly pathetic to see him grovel for some sort of relevance and acceptance from the D.C. Mob.
Posted by: JD | February 14, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
“the U.S. has to beg NATO countries to help send more troops to Afghanistan…”
Unlike socialist countries who need to be begged, America is willing to stand up and fight for our liberty and the liberty of others.
Posted by: Sigmonde | February 14, 2009, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Bob Unruh reports that a high-powered team of Los Angeles attorneys representing Obama in his effort to keep his birth certificate, college records and passport documents concealed from the public has suggested there should be “monetary sanctions” against a lawyer whose clients have brought a complaint alleging Obama doesn’t qualify for the Oval Office under the Constitution’s demand for a “natural born” citizen in that post.
“In order to avoid the needless expense of our bringing and litigating a Motion to Quash the subpoena, I am writing to ask whether you would be willing to agree voluntarily to cancel or withdraw the subpoena…”
Woocher warned, “Please be advised, in particular, that in the event we are forced to file a motion to quash and we prevail in that motion, we will seek the full measure of monetary sanctions provided for in the Code of Civil Procedures.”
Posted by: bdaman | February 14, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am
I think Obama overestimated how much repubs hate Hillary. They actually dont.
Biden is a poor choice for VP. He seems like a talking head whom is somewhat aloof. He is also getting on in age.
In 2012 Obama will no doubt pick Hillary as his running mate I suspect.
Posted by: infoseeking | February 14, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Sorry Obama I guess Judd Gregg is just not that into you–or your radical ideas.
Neither are 57 million Americans—hopefully more in 2012.
Posted by: sammy | February 14, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Tungsten, I hate to tell you but in the “long view”, in 2016, Hillary will be over McCain’s current age. You can thank your hero, Obama for that by placing her in an important but, in a position where he can control her political aspirations for years to come. After only 20 days of comrade Obama, it is easy to see the seeds of discontent growing against the socialists. Thank you Obama for taking Hillary out!
Posted by: Mihann | Feb 14, 2009 1:18:17 AM
Did you ever stop to think that she might run in 2016 after Obama has 2 terms? They said she had no foreign policy experience, now she is Secretary of State. Therefore in 2016 they can’t bash her for not having the experience. Even at 80 Hillary would have more on the ball than McCain…lol
Posted by: Jwench | February 14, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
peach wrote:”Maybe Gregg felt uncomfortable being in a cabinet with so many tax cheats”!
Oh, I’m sure you are right on that. Gregg is much more comfortable with Jack
Abramoff and friends. That’s the reason he withdrew and isn’t running again for the senate. His relationship with Abramoff will be breaking news within next 2 weeks.
Posted by: Trent | February 14, 2009, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Ask yourself – what “laid down the framework for dividing Europe”
1) a speech
OR
2) a) real philosophical and cultural differences
b) undue cowering against internal and external jihadi threat due to demographics
c) greed and cowardice against the reviving plutocratic Russia
Good luck (Sen) Chuck on papering over the pressing needs of Europe instead of urging a renewed confrontational approach on those things that need to be confronted.
Posted by: robert b | February 14, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Obama went to Craig because he thought he could get another Dem in Senate!
But see Craig would not fit in becasue he pays his taxes!!
Obama is trying a Chavez move by making the Census Political!!
Impeach Obama NOW!!!
Posted by: spock | February 14, 2009, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
I think it’s great when Obama says “It’s my fault” re appointment failures. I wonder if he will be just as gracious when the bad guys hit us again? We didn’t have to worry about that under Bush. We sure as heck do now!!
Posted by: Manitu | February 14, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Hagel hasn’t been a Republican in years.
He should switch parties and be what
he aspires to be, a Liberal Democrat!
I don’t know who is more irrelevant,
Chuck Hagel or David Gergen! LOL!
Posted by: reaganfan | February 14, 2009, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Funny..I dont remember Jake Tapper asking ANY hardball questions of anyone in the Bush administrations. Did he just come out of a hibernation?
Just another phony who needs to be at FOX.
Posted by: Doc | February 14, 2009, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Do the Bill Ayers wannabes posting on the ‘net that the Republicans “voted against the middle class” have a copy of Porkulus? How much? What rates? Tax bracket adjustments? Are they better than the tax cuts that President Bush worked for and got?
Of course, details and facts never stand in the way of Leftist ideology.
And if they can’t find any, they’ll just make up some or run to a Liberal blog to get them and say, “See! Told ya so!”
And, even if they cut everyone’s taxes, any real Republican would still not have voted for the “stimulus package” because of all the garbage the tax cuts were wrapped up in.
Posted by: RR GOP | February 14, 2009, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Whether he asked for the job or not does not matter. The fact is he was given the job and then the Sainted One said we don;t trust so we are taking the census out of commerce. That is the fact.
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I really admire Chuck Hagel and was hoping President Obama would put him in his Cabinet. As far a Gregg what a Spineless Wimp he asked for the Job and President Obama gave it to him and he let himself be bullied By the Republicans,
Posted by: Angie | Feb 13, 2009 11:50:44 PM
Posted by: kabookey | February 14, 2009, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
Sen. Hagel is NOT a true Republican. He is
a Republican by convenience. It won’t be surprising if he ends up in the Obama cabinet. He is a democrat in Republican clothing. No wonder if he run for re-election the republicans won’t vote for him anymore. You can not fool the people all the time.
Posted by: Sabagan | February 15, 2009, 9:11 am 9:11 am