Graham on Bipartisanship: ‘The Country’s Screwed’

This is not a good start for the Obama administration. This bill is full of useless spending that has nothing to do with creating jobs. This is why people (myself included) have such a poor opinion of Congress. Senator Graham’s comment is right on.

Republicans are very much limited in their ability to think. They know only one solution: Tax cuts. WBush has cut taxe many times and for a long time and the result: Economic collapse

Bipartisanship right now should mean a shared commitment to this country and its people. All the political shows these days seem “off” somehow, not really tuned in to the pulse of the nation, to the worries and concerns of real Americans,to the palpable fear for the future, to the desire to see politicians understand these feelings and lead with confidence and maturity. Anybody with an ounce of sense realizes that any stimulus package will be a crap shoot. People just need to know that mature people are doing their best for this country and “accompanying” the American people in their difficulties.

Puhlease. WATB. DC is wired to take itself seriously. Everyone is looking at the GOP and the DC pundits and saying “CLUELESS WATBs.”

The Republican definition of bipartisanship is do it my way. They were the same way when Clinton was President on his economic proposal. Country First was and is only a phony campaign slogan.

Lindsay Graham is a gutless swine.
WHO THE H*** CARES WHAT REPUBLICANS THINK ANYWAY?
THEY DESTROYED THIS COUNTRY’S ECONOMY AND NOW THEY SUDDENLY KNOW BEST?
LINDSAY: “SCREW” YOURSELF.

Graham = LOSER!

to smut you better be pulling for graham to help get us out of this obama mess

Senator Graham didn’t think the country was “screw” when he joined ranks along party lines for the past 8 years. This man wouldn’t know bipartisanship if his life depends on it. Sooo, why is he there anyway? If he truly cared about his country and not his party, where was him in the past 8 years. Why didn’t he go to the then President to stop the jobs and housing slide? This is a game that is designed by the Republican party to discredit the President. Stop your bickering and get behind the Ameican people, sir.

WELL I CAN SEE THIS IS A DEMOCRAT LEG TINGLING GEORGE CRYING BLOG ANTOHER OBAMA KOOL-AID DRINKING PLACE SO WHEN THIS WORLD FOLDS DONT SAY THE REPUBS DIDNT WARN YOU

seem kind of funny that now the repubs are the fiscal hawks,were where they when bush was flushing the usa down the toilet with a 3 trillion dollar war in iraq let’s face it the repubs wont help put this country back on it’s feet so let them cry all they wont because 2010 is coming and they will lose more seats anyway!!!

I see the left wing nuts are thick today…. I fool and his money soon part company….. Obama planted fear into some fools and they bought it…. He will not be elected again and you’ll see Dem’s losing seats in the next round… Until then… God help us all…

Republicans persecuted Clinton for years and they just tried to do the same to Obama. Obama needs to stay strong against them, because BUSH/CHENEY AND THE REPUBLICANS SCREWED our coutnry to the point where we are in dire straights. I SAY IF BI-PARTISAN MEANS THAT REASON AND DEMOCRATS PREVAIL…THEN THANK THE LORD!!!!!!

Wasn’t the last 8 years lead by republicans who got us into this mess?
The voters have spoken, now let this plan work and get us out of this mess..

” There’s nothing about this process that’s been bipartisan.”
The FACT is that tax cuts were included in the initial bill solely to appeal to Republicans. The FACT is that taxes on the highest wage earners are not going up this year out of deference to Republicans (a source of considerable irritation to Pelosi). The FACT is that funding for reproductive healthcare was cut to appease Republicans. The FACT is that funding to renovate the National Mall – including retaining walls, paving, paths, lawn, and drainage – was pulled in response to a Republican tantrum. The FACT is that Senator Graham is lying when he said Republicans were given no say in this legislation.
Anyone have an issue with the FACTS?

Graham is right BUT this is the same joker who, with McCain, sold out the conservatives in America and yet the S.C. Republicans still support him. Sen JIM DEMINT is the true conservative in S.C. not Graham who now sees the shifting in the republican party and wants to snuggle up to the
Conservatives but we don’t trust him. McCAIN and GRAHAM should prove to the base they are true and stand on the steps of the Capital for a month in the pouring rain or sunshine and denounce the fairness doctrine of the democrats as sensorship and an afront to the men and women who have died defending the freedom of speech in the CONSTITUTION–GET it, the Constitution-ever heard of freedom liberal Bolsheviks?

WHY DIDNT MY LAST POST GET POSTED THIS IS JUST A STEPH AND OBAMA LOVE BLOG SEE YOU GUYS LATER

Would someone PLEASE tell Lindsey Graham and the rest of the do-nothing, crybaby Republicans who are WHINING like little girls cause they aren’t getting their way to PUT A PLUG IN IT? They are the reason we are in this mess in the first place! 8 years, and they did nothing to stop it. Seriously, they need to get on board with this plan or shut the hell up. There is no other reasonable alternative.

The GOP relinquished their rights to complain when they DID NOTHING during their president’s bailout plan! Where was the oversight then? Where was the consideration of the taxpayers then? Now, they have decided that this is their only way to keep from being completely marginalized while Obama spends the next four years cleaning up BUSH’S excesses and lack of leadership. Give me a break! Shut up Lindsay – you are an old GOP gasbag!

Graham’s comments show why how hard the Democrats try, the Republicans will not play ball. When the Republicans controlled Congress, it was okay to completely shut the Democrats out of any discussions and now out country is suffering for their deeds. When the Democrats reach out, they spit on the open hands because the Democrats don’t want to follow the same misguided programs of the Bush Administration. If there is any shame, it’s on the Republicans that are so narrow minded and hateful that they are unable to work with anyone who even remotely disagrees with them.

I thought his rant about the AMT was cute. I actually agree with it – this tax cut for the wealthy has no place in this bill (I don’t really need an extra couple thousand although I guess the Red Cross will appreciate it when I pass it along) – but it was included in an attempt to win Republican support. The key Senate champion of patching the AMT is REPUBLICAN Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley.

HEY TAX PAYER YOU BETTER LOOK AT REID PELOSI AND BARNEY FOR WHAT REALLY GOT US IN THIS SHAPE NOW OBAMA IS PUTTING THE DIRT ON TOP OF US

The way Obama is leading this country is creating more damage to this country in the first Month of his Presidency by pushing this Democrat-Congressional Relief Action Program. This bill is rediculuous. And it is irresponsible for our Senators and Representatives not to read it and debate it before voting on it. We complain about the Wall Street executives. Think about it.

rockychance:” McCAIN and GRAHAM should prove to the base they are true and stand on the steps of the Capital for a month in the pouring rain or sunshine and denounce the fairness doctrine of the democrats as sensorship and an afront to the men and women who have died defending ”
Yes, because what this country really needs now is Senators taking a stand against a bill that does not exist but may someday harm talk radio.

Wow – “Republicans should petition mayors and governors to reject the funds” as to put their money where their mouths are. What a concept. All taxpayers in all states will be forced to pay back the debt from this bill. Would anyone in their right mind agree to be on the hook for the debt but decline even the slightest benefit? Judging by that statement……perhaps we do need more funds for early childhood education.

If this was so important for the country, why did the Democrats use it as a vehicle for all their long-standing “porky” little agendas that have little to do with the problem at hand, craft away from open debate with the other party and then vote on it without time for any reasonable scrutiny? Then they argue that Republicans should roll over for the sake of the country. Nonsense. The no votes were the most bipartisan.

Chris Dodd,Franks and Pelosi are big time responsible for the crisis we are in.Forcing bad loans be given to people who are over extended.If you liberal people cant see the waste they want to force on the american people,they dont want to see it.I thought I would give Obama a chance….Ive seen enough and I am going to fight back!! He should have been a speach writer,not a politition.The Democratic party better work on locking out these extreme leftys or they wont have a party left.
Sicialism is not the answere.

Tell me, what power do the people have when a “messiah” comes and tells the people, “give me all the power, and I will see that you are not lost!” Do you realize how much you lose in such a statement??? Everything!

Georgie, the Democratic Operative,… did a good job promoting his President this morning….. gotta keep down playing the economy so B.O. will look good when it starts to improve……

The Middle Class are the only ones getting screwed. And our CON Gress is causing it to happen.

Christian Conservative:”Forcing bad loans be given to people who are over extended.”
Could you please cite how they did this? Last I looked “black and minority” is not exactly equivalent to “people who are over extended.”
The truth is that they did not force banks to methodically underprice risk. Or are you suggesting the Republicans allowed the banks to be nationalized years ago without a peep (there is no more fundamental corporate decision for a bank than how to price risk).

It seems to me that some, if not most, Republicans are still bitter about their lost election and are acting it out in any way they can now that Obama has taken office.
Talk about being childish…

DEAR SENATOR GRAHAM:
The county is WAITING for you and the Republican party to apologize.
Apologize for economic theories that say OUR JOBS ARE BETTER OFF OVERSEAS.
Apologize for appointing regulators that LOOKED THE OTHER WAY with regard to mortgage backed securities.
Apologize for spending an estimated THREE TRILLION DOLLARS — once you include the medical costs of taking care of returning soldiers with amputations, brain injuries etc — of the Iraqi war.
Apologize for NOMINATING AND VOUCHING FOR the catastrophically terrible President Bush.
*** ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE PATH TO REDEMPTION ***

Bush/Cheney Republicans are the WMD of our nations economic, ethical and military power. They spent the last 8 years running our country into the ground. Mr.Graham has a hugely partisan and narrowly-focused ideological record – his unpatriotic view – three weeks into the tenure of his new president – is no surprise.

I sense the Republican Party is already positioning itself for the 2012 run on the White House. To support anything proposed by Obama and the Democratic leadership would lesson those chances, especially if it is successful. It is now in the Republican’s best interest to see the economy continue to fail. Sen. Graham would be wise to reflect on the results of the last two major elections. The people of our country are paying attention even more so now, and they don’t have a favorable opinion of the ‘Grand Ole Party’. Don’t be an obstructionist Sen. Graham. Time to look up ‘bi-partisanship’ and put your efforts into contributing to the solution, not finding fault with those that are trying to solve the problem.

I hardly think a Republican is the one to be complaining about a lack of bipartisanship! The Reps controlled both the executive and legislative branches for six full years and ran the country into the ground.
Need I mention they also spent money like drunken sailors on furlough – doubling our national debt? They spent on making war and bleeding the middle class to death to line the pockets of the super rich and the capitalists.
Now the middle class is broke and we are asked to save the very people who stole from us.

I’m thinking that America has grown completely used to the 700 pound gorilla in the room and it is and has been the main problem. I’m not sure at this point if this is possible but the BEST AND QUICKEST WAY to restore the economy (it may strike a blow to the environmental movement) IS TO SUBSIDIZE GAS PRICES. DIESEL FUEL IS STILL OVER $2.00 A GALLON. THESE COSTS NEED TO BE PASSED ON TO THE CONSUMER THROUGH THE RETAIL SYSTEM AND INCREASED COSTS PERCOLATE THRU THE ECONOMY. GAS PRICES (ESPECIALLY DIESEL WHICH TRADITIONALLY HAD ALWAYS BEEN LESS THAN REGULAR GAS) NEED TO BE BELOW $1.00 A GALLON. THIS WOULD IMMEDIATELY SEND A RUSH THROUGH THE ECONOMY. PEOPLE WOULD BECOME MORE OPTIMISTIC AND BE ABLE TO SPEND. JUST THINK ABOUT IT. PLEASE.

rightbehind….I will repeat myself.
Chris Dodd,Franks and Pelosi are big time responsible for the crisis we are in.Forcing bad loans be given to people who are over extended.This being the poor or the middle class.Banks were not allowed to turn down an applicant for a loan because they are poor.
You are blind as a bat if you cant see what is happening.STIMULATE!dont just spend at random!!!
Liberals prey on the poor,nieve and stupid……

So the country is screwed under Obama, was it doing great under Bush? God, if I ever here a republican tell the truth, I’ll drop dead.

Bottom line is the Republicans want Obama to fail in every area. They probably pray for failure every night. Thats all Hannidy and Rush can talk about. What a Country first party. Yea right.

rightbehind….I will repeat myself.
Chris Dodd,Franks and Pelosi are big time responsible for the crisis we are in.Forcing bad loans be given to people who are over extended.This being the poor or the middle class.Banks were not allowed to turn down an applicant for a loan because they are poor.
You are blind as a bat if you cant see what is happening.STIMULATE!dont just spend at random!!!
Liberals prey on the poor,nieve and stupid……

Mike A- Republicans prosecuted Republic and sent some to prison. They set up term limits for their commitee chairs.Pelosi and Reid have protected Dodd, Frank, Murtha and Rangel from ethics charges and Pelosi got rid of the term limits for chairman. The Dems can’t responsibility for anything. Remeber Pelosi with it’s all the Republicans fault. No this is the Frank/ Dodd recession. You can blame Bush for a lot of things but not this one. Had he been able to regulate Fannie and Freddie with out Frank and Dodd cheerleading for Fannie and Freddie, this mess may have been avoided. It’s too bad the media wasn’t truthful about this but they covered for Obama and the Dems. And if the Dems are so great why with 2 years of controlling Congress they did nothing but watch subprime happen before their eyes. And these are the same guys that are supposed to fix it. What a joke. You’re not going to call the New York Times liars are you. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E06E3D6123BF932A2575AC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=printSeptember 11, 2003New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae ”These two entities — Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — are not facing any kind of financial crisis,” said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ”The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”

WHEN WILL the Republicans accept R E S P O N S I B I L I T Y ?
They SCREWED OUR ECONOMY.
They SCREWED THE WORLD.
Is there one tiny difference between today’s Republicans and Herbert Hoover?

The hand that Obama was dealt was a loser from the start. Instead of folding he continues to bluff by raising the bet. The Democrats are playing as if the deck belongs to them but the cards are proving to be fickle. Anyone who thinks the Dems will pull this hand out should understand although Obama talks a good game, in the end the cards have the last word.

Obama is in way over his head. A president in training. Had hope for him early on, but lost respect. He would not even make a good CEO with the way he is handling the stimulus.

Wow – “Republicans should petition mayors and governors to reject the funds” as to put their money where their mouths are. What a concept. All taxpayers in all states will be forced to pay back the debt from this bill. Would anyone in their right mind agree to be on the hook for the debt but decline even the slightest benefit? Judging by that statement……perhaps we do need more funds for early childhood education.
Posted by: Matt | Feb 15, 2009 11:48:53 AM
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I’m simply illustrating the hypocrisy of your stance, which you’ve confirmed by acknowledging “even the slightest benefit.” The entire time Republicans have argued that there’s NO benefit to the stimulus, that it’s just “pork” spending that won’t help the economy in anyway, and is only “generational theft” (and whatever other nonsensical terms you have come up with). If that’s the case, then you should be fighting tooth-and-nail to keep these “pork” funds out of your state.
As to the tax rate, it’s laughable that you don’t see that there’s a creative solution here that would line up perfectly with the Republican mantra of “less government.” But, that would require some intellectual lifting, and you guys aren’t too fond of that, are you?

If the Republican policies and the actions they have taken are so right for this country, then WHY are we in this situation after 8 years of what amounts to Republican rule? Their idea of bipartisanship is “Do it our way or else!”. Wallet first, Party second, country third. Sorry Mr. Graham. This is not a game. It’s time to work together. Period. The simple fact is that not a single one of you in senate or congress is worth 1/10th of what we, the taxpayers, pay you. DO YOUR JOB, and do it NOW, or the taxpayers how hired you will fire you and the rest of you sorry excuses for public servants that you claim to be.

It’s a spending bill, not a stimulus bill.
it’s a porker..

To Matt: I love your comment. ALL REPUBLICANS SHOULD REJECT THE MONEY FROM THE BAILOUT, THAT MEANS YOU AND YOUR CONSTITUENTS GET NONE OF IT. That is really the only honorable thing to do. I wonder what Senator Graham will do, it will be interesting to watch. Will HE accept any of the money on behalf of his constituents?????

The GOP is typically being obstructionist of the will of the people, as well as the will of the overwhelming majority of the nation’s mayors and governors (both Dem and Rep). If they want to be responsible for getting the country into an even deeper hole just so they can say “naa, naa, naa, this isn’t bipartisanship because I didn’t come on board” than the GOP is screwed. America First. Yeah right.

I’m getting sick of people being blamed for signing on to loans which in a lot of cases they were able to afford before the economy took a nosedive. Again, I feel the escalated gas prices created an environment which became unsustainable over a long period of time(over $4.00 a gallon at the time!! Remember?).

Obama was voted to be president to fix today through the next 4 years. Forget the past. If Obama keeps rehashing the past, he should not have signed up for the job.

“If Republicans don’t think this bill should have gone forward, why don’t they “put their money where their mouth is,” so to speak, and petition their states’ mayors and governors to reject the funds that the bill allocates for their states?”
why should they, sweetie?
Their states citizens would still be paying thru the nose.
and you’d get more
but that’s your hope sn’t it?

McCains consience. The WMD argument is over and done. Your man is in charge of finding the evidence now.

We have had 8 years of having it “Flimsey’s way”. One of the reasons we are in this mess is from Republicans blindly following their ignorant dogma. The Republican Party better get their heads outta the butts, but I guess it’s gonna take us voting more of them out for them to see the light. These people don’t have a freaking clue.

Christian conservative ———-Never said I was. You must have me confused with another poster.

John said: “i lost respect for obama. what kind of leadership is that.. signing a bill that no one read.” Dude, you never respected him. You never had any intentions of respecting him. It’s too soon to lose respect for the newly elected President. Man up and say it. I have more respect for those that can toughen up and admit the true reason why they don’t like him, than those who hide behing statements like “i lost respect for obama. what kind of leadership is that.. signing a bill that no one read.” By the way, how could they have not “read” it? How else could they call it “pork” without “reading” it. I’d suggest you “read” between the lines and notice politics when you “see” it.

The accusations that republicans were not included in this debate ate absurd. A third of this stimulous bill is composed of tax cuts. There have been appropriate compromises from both sides. Republicans are just sore that it is not all their way. Sorry but they have had their chances to fix the economy and failed. The democrats took over in the elections because people wanted the government to head in a different direction. The republicans are self centered and want our new president to fail so that they can get political power back.

Time to decide people. Who do you want to create jobs? The Government or the People?
I’d say the People. That way you have more honest people creating Jobs than a group of organized criminals in the Government.

Mccain Concsience. Sorry, 300 Billion. You are also no accounting for inflation when you claim Vietnam. WWII cost way more than all those combined with inflation adjustment.

Contrary to what Graham suggests bipartisan is not good, particularly when in dire straits and action is needed. It only leads to a lack of focus in legislation and the addition on large amounts of pork to obtain the ‘bipartisan’ buy in.

rplat,
What sweet irony. You support the p*ss on the Constitution Republicans then turn around and cry about your lost freedom!
How about the freedom to have decent wages? We have to invest in this country’s future or our future will be poverty.

Larry: ABSOLUTELY!

Joe, what? Accept servitude? 1.5 Trillion now given in a stimulus. May as well give the Government your house and all your belongings regardless if you are poor or wealthy. The great “messiah” will “equalize” the economy for all!

But, but, but the American voters got what they asked for and wanted. They now can pay the price they did not expect but duly voted for. The tax cuts plus a dollar and a half will still buy you a miserable cup of coffee anywhere in the capitol. As far as spending goes, well my school house had one room, one wood burning heater, no air conditioning and we did not ride buses to and from school. We killed mice and fed them to the cats so Pelosi you can do the same instead of building them highrise condos. The only stimulus most people in the US will see is right at 400$ which as Ms Obama stated is not enough stimulus to buy the pot to pee in. This only creates bigger and more government and one whale of debt for generations to come. What a sham that is being plagued on the American citizens. Yes, SHAM.

LEADING ECONOMISTS have set the full cost of the Iraq war at 3 TRILLION (not 300 billion) dollars.
Some people like to ignore the cost of replacing all the depleted munitions, broken equipment, and most of all THE MEDICAL COSTS of vests returning with amputations, brain injuries etc.

Time to decide people… Do we want the CHRISTIAN TALIBAN leading Americans?
Time to vote out all the Religious Fanatics from the Christian Conservative organization that has led the way with homicidal Capitalism.

Senator Graham: Way to go – don’t let them blame us for their screw=up. This is just one of many they will do. Obama was the most liberal senator in the senate so what can we expect – Democrats are pathetic – for two years he blamed George Bush and now they are blaming the previous administration. Well, he the administration and how long will it be before people are sick and tired of him. Take the blame that is theirs, not ours. Yes, it is a screw-up, plain and simple.

Coherent1 I voted for Obama. You really think both the house and the senate had the time to read 1000+ pages and fully understand the contents. If not, Obama has no business signing the bill.

“If Republicans don’t think this bill should have gone forward, why don’t they “put their money where their mouth is,” so to speak, and petition their states’ mayors and governors to reject the funds that the bill allocates for their states?”
why should they, sweetie?
Their states citizens would still be paying thru the nose.
and you’d get more
but that’s your hope sn’t it?
Posted by: verdinet | Feb 15, 2009 12:15:09 PM
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Well, no. I just want your party to stand on the “principle” that it said it was standing on when it refused to support a plan to create jobs, provide assistance for people who have lost work, build new schools, improve infrastructure, etc.
Oh, and since you’re having a hard time figuring out the solution to this “we would have to pay the same amount of taxes even if we didn’t get funds” problems, I’ll give you a hint: legislature.

Denisea213 .. Thanks for helping to emphasize my point. I’ve been lucky enough to drive a fuel efficient car for many years (41 MPG, Suzuki Swift which is no longer sold in the US since 2000) but I believe what really hurt the economy was the huge increase in Diesel fuel. It was like a snowball rolling downhill and kept getting bigger. People could afford a lot of things with the money they had to spend on filling up their tanks to go to work and sit in endless rush hour traffic. It’s astronomical when you consider the entire cost of fuel nationally on any given day.

WHEN WILL the Republicans apologize for their NO_REGULATION “free market” regulations that plunged us into economic catastrophe???
Mortgage backed securities — I take good and bad mortgages, slice them up like sausage and sell them as AAA rated securities to banks around the world.
The result? Instead of being low risk, high return investments, they turned out as a way to take the profit and pass the risk on to others AND DESTROYING THE ECONOMY.
That is Republican economics at work!

Sara, not to mention your founding fathers who found this country that gave you the freedoms you now enjoy with the freedom to own your own business were religious too.

HOW REPUBLICANS SCREWED AMERICA
Part 1.
They appointed ANTI-REGULATION ZEALOTS to be turn regulators. In other words, they named Bonnie and Clyde to be the bank watchman!

Why am I out of six figure job? (my companyy went out of business) I’m on the edge of foreclosure. I lost money on my 401 and the stock market. I’m looking for a job along with all the other unemployed; not to mention the jobs less pay. I believed in the Republicans because I am a Republican. Yet I became a part of this mess. Mr. Graham If you have/had the answers then what went wrong that we are in this position? What happen to all the surplus left from the Clinton era. Oh, we went to war, and we open the door for every crook (CEO’s) in the financial industry to rob the country blind. Why didn’t you the Republicans stop the bleeding before Obama became president?

HOW REPUBLICANS SCREWED AMERICA
Part 2.
They lied to us about WMD in Iraq, getting us into a war with an estimated full cost of THREE TRILLION DOLLARS.
That’s far more than the money in this STIMULUS bill and repair Social Security together.

The Republicans are using the economic crisis THEY created to play PARTISEN politics at the expense of the American people. The Republicans WERE invited into the process and played obstructionist at every corner. They have dug in their heals on Neo-Con-ism and don’t give a rats @ss what it does to the country. Trying to say Democrats have not reached out to them is an ABSOLUT LIE!

christian conservative, I don’t care what you think. That has not been one of your strong suits (thinking)to date. Contrary to the republican norm, not all business owners are greedy, self centered, chrisitan declaring hate mongers.

Christian Conservative…
You have no idea what principles this country were founded on. FYI.. they were strictly opposed to religious groups having ANY say over the policies and politics of this country.
Educate yourself outside your Christian Church for one minute.

Christian conservative. I would not want to have separation of church and state. What I would want is no one religion controlling the country. I would rather have religious moral people of any background, who understands where my rights end, where yours begin. What I see today is the religion of the Theory of evolution, how it wants to control the country in its religious ideals. Tell me now, how enlightened are they if they call for cleansing of the people from those who are sick, lame, are of a useless nature?

Obama is all about his legacy and that is it.

Christian Conservative said: “My God is on the extreme right and I pray every day that he watches over the extreme right and allows the rest if the country to see what liberalism has done to this country.” —— Well, my God is the creator, and He ain’t said nothing about Republican or Democrat in His word. However, Jesus did find fault with the Pharisee. Care to look that up in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, and Galatians? Holla back at me when you’re done. My fellow Christians, Republican, Democrat, Independent and the likes, we have got to do better than this. This back and forth about who’s truly on God’s side is getting ridiculous. Right about now, I don’t who God would be please with.

Our new King Obama insists no one should have bonuses or take advantage of ‘perks’ of the job…[in most cases I agree]
But it’s a stark difference in how he is enjoying the perks of his job….
flying all over the country to push a bill…that was a forgone conclusion…Ranting about the doom to come…while taking a “vacation” after less than a month…costing us …WHAT?…who knows…
Millions??
He thinks this is a hollywood movie…And he’s a star….and as long as ‘the fans’ adulate him…He can do or say anything he wants….
For all you “fans” out there….Not all movies have a happy ending….

The whole point is obama was adament from his swearing in that he wanted a bill on his desk to be signed on PRESIDENT’S day!They are serving & obeying! Doesn’t matter what’s in it! His present will be delivered!

BarsandStars Trust me the only lemmings and sheep are the GOP faithfull following the likes of Rush “oxy” Limberger and Hanny. LOL Oh and Fox news, the “fair and balanced” one. LOL

BLAME BUSH, BLAME BUSH, BLAME BUSH. Well, Bush is not the President, Obama is. For two years all he did was blame Bush. It is becoming obvious that he doesn’t have a clue so just BLAME BUSH. hE NEEDS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR BEING PRESIDENT, BUSH IS NO LONGER THERE. OH, BY THE WAY, BUSH WAS THE BEST OF THEM ALL. Now this is ABC and this will not get posted.

I do not understand why the Repblicans call themselves a Christian based party when all they do is worship money 24 hrs a day except on Sunday where they go to church and pray for more money. The CEOs at the top of all these rip off bailouts are 99 percent Republican.
The first mistake was to allow religious belief to enter the government. The wolves use it as a cloak. There are many examples for the seperation of church and state in the KJV Bible. The Elect know this.

wow how simple are some of the people on here…
lol
“shoe shine boy”..”he’s all about his legacy”
well to have a good legacy…you have to do a good job …oy.
now the morons are trying to say that Obama is a moron. lol… have you been paying attention for 2 years…
definition – if you can call obama a “moron” or “stupid” chances are great…that you yourself are in the below 100 on the IQ test scale.

…”Bipartisan = Only Democrat is right”… during Obama time, well…because no Republicans want to step up.
Bipartisan = Only Republican is right…during Bush 8 years time, because Democrat also supported Bush’s War spending and spending to the banks….
Hmmm…
I bet if this was McCain/Palin time. When MaCain proposed hundreds of billions of dollars “stimulus” plans. (Be honest, what is the alternative?!) Republicans would be singing hail to the Chief all over. Do you think Republicans will “consult” the Democrats? So at that time then, Bipartisan = Only Republican idea is right…. Still. Ouch!
I don’t think Republicans are born to coorperate.

Sosupernova. Why do you even care. The Democrats control the Executive branch and the legislative. You should not have to worry about the Republicans anymore for at least 2 years.

Senator Graham seems to have forgotten that it took America 225 years to accumulate a $5 trillion deficit and then it took a Republican president and a Republican Congress (of which the illustrious Senator was a part) exactly 6 years to double it. From a yearly budget surplus to record deficits. And one of the largest expansions of the federal government ever. I also think the Senator needs to remember that the American people soundly rejected his parties actions in the elections of 2006 and 2008. And it was a school in Graham’s home state of South Carolina that was mentioned by the president in his news conference as being over 150 years old and so decrepit that they couldn’t even use their own auditorium anymore. So essentially what he is saying is that playing politics at the expense of the American people is alive and well in his eyes and that Republicans can spend and offer fiscally unsound tax cuts but heaven forbid if the Democrats do it. Senator Graham, I suggest you come out of the closet and open your eyes to America and where we are in 2009.

Whiners.

rightbehind. What is it with Christians and being money lovers? There is a Christian commandment to not love money. Read a bible.

bhciapol said “The Republican definition of bipartisanship is do it my way. ” The same can be said of the Democrats. It is evident in this bill. Any major bill is going to be partisan by definition because Democrats & Republicans have deep philosophical differences in how things should be accomplished. It can be summed up in the old saying “Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day (the Democrats); teach a man to fish & he can eat for a lifetime (the Republicans).” On any big item, there will never be bi-partisan support, no matter which party is in charge.

DL Typical comments coming from someone who voted for Obama. Read the Economist.

Breaking News Release!! The republicans have new idea to repair the economy! Tax breaks for the wealthy!

HOOVER.
BUSH.
The Republicans have left us a legacy of disaster!

I would like some news/info on what WE can do to help fix the economy.
What can I do?
Spend a bit? O.k., but I can afford only a bit.
Pay my bills? O.k.
Create a job? I don’t see how I can do that directly. Gotta give that some thought.
Stay calm and don’t pull out of the Stock Market? O.k.
What else can we citizens do?
Ideas, anyone?

taxpayer said “Wasn’t the last 8 years lead by republicans who got us into this mess?” No. It was the Clinton administration’s insistance that people who couldn’t afford to buy a house be given the credit to buy one.

INSANITY is when you keep following Republican ideas and expect a different result.
A CLEAN CONGRESS IS ONE WITHOUT REPUBLICANS!

You all deserve what’s coming…lose your stocks, your 401k, your bank, your savings.
Bush and Obama are twins seperated at birth. The arguing noise you hear are the mega rich laughing at the sheeple. Laughing at how they created two parties, different, yet directed to their own end.
They will buy your life for pennies on the dollar.
Ever grow a garden…no? Starve idiot. Every beg for food? No? Starve idiot.
I’ve listened to you argue about who’s wrong and right. You are wrong idiot! They’re reaping your money!

Kennedy
go look at the timing of the Gramm Leachey Bill and tell us again how Clinton is to blame for the devastation that came from the initiative to expand the housing market…
do you understand that Gramm Leachey Bill passed just after (same year) as the housing expansion initiative… removing the blocks from Wall Street taking over the mass of mortgage risk with this shell game …leaving the banks and mortgage lenders…no skin in the game.
The expansion on housing would have been fine and most likely great for our economy if Phil gramm (you remember him right? the guy waving the republican flag…the guy who worked for the people who is damn broke got lots of money when he turned into a lobbyist after pushing the Gramm leachey Bill through congress) if Phil gramm hadn’t pushed a bill thoruogh congress that removed anyone having risk.
the dems tried to expand housing because at the time…the mortgage market would have self regulated.
be very clear…dems mistake out of trying to expand housing removing a small front firewall was miniscule compared to the removal of the giant backend firewall that the republicans and phil gramm initiated that lead to wall street creating a industry so reliant on complex math equations it created a fake economy.
and isn’t it interesting they pushed it through right after the expansion of the housing market so all those ceo’s could make the most bang for their buck.

ellsbells930,
Have you ever even heard of “Mortgage backed securities”.
Here is an explanation:
Republicans in the private sector invented these devices called mortgage backed securities. The idea is easy to understand.
Normally, risk goes with reward. But suppose I buy up tens of thousands of mortgages — good and bad ones — mix them together and slice them off like sausage.
Now suppose I sell them off as HIGH RETURN, LOW RISK securities (with the willing help of corrupt private rating agencies).
Now, I have taken the profit, but “fenced” the mortgages, with their risk, to banks around the world.
THIS IS DANGEROUS IN TWO WAYS.
First, there is little incentive for mortgage brokers to only make sound mortgages! You are selling off the risk before it becomes due!
Second, after the catastrophic failure, it is BLOODY HARD to separate the good mortgages from the bad, when the government tries to fix the mess.
THESE NOW TOXIC ASSETS ARE THE REASON THE WORLD IS ON FIRE! And they were invented in the private sector, by anti-regulation Republicans!
Ignorance is no excuse for being stupid!

jhw539 said, “I thought his rant about the AMT was cute. I actually agree with it – this tax cut for the wealthy has no place in this bill.” You do realize, don’t you, that the AMT can hit people who make as little as $40,000 per year? You consider that wealthy?

Let’s face it: we have tried “trickle down economics” and it has failed. We should call it what it is: “Craponomics” or “Screw-you-nomics”.
Senator Graham, Senator DeMint, Congressman Cantor and the other Republican believers in this academically non-valid approach should move out of the way and let the Obama administration and the just-approved stimulus package get us out of the mess we are in, which was undoubtedly caused by ill-conceived Republican policies, incompetence, lack of regulation and oversight, and widespread corruption.

And what is Lindsey Graham doing to foster bipartisanship, besides ranting against his president on a popular Sunday talk show?
http://www.political-buzz.com/

The Republican party has become a white southern party for the most part,full of right wing conservatives,who’s only solution is “tax cuts”. Again and again over the years we have seen that tax cuts do very little to stimulate the economy for the middle class. That’s because the refunds are usually used for neccesities like food, and utitly bills. All tax cuts do is put us deeper in debt, and give the wealthiest Americans huge chunks of money. Lindsay Graham and other Republicans are crying about the lack of bi-partisanship in congress. What that means to Graham , McCain and others is do it the Republican way or it’s not bi-partisan.Well, I have news for you Lindsay. The American people spoke in November. You are now a fairly small minority. You’ve had your chance to help this country become prosperous,but you blew it. Now it’s the Democrat’s turn to do what they can to help us.

Mccains Consciense. Where is your evidence that Republicans in the private sector created these failed securities? I see many Democrats in this too.

INSANITY is when you keep following Republican ideas and expect a different result.
A CLEAN CONGRESS IS ONE WITHOUT REPUBLICANS!

Barefootboy
Your racism is showing. Your remark was in very poor taste but then again you sound like a typical bubba.

rightbehind said, “The republicans might have to be put on the endangered species list coming the 2010 elections.” Three years ago the news organizations were all proclaiming the death of the Democratic party, so I don’t think I’d rejoice too soon about what you think is the demise of the Republican party. Everything goes in cycles…. including the economy.

Mr Twister, Don’t pay any attention to
Mccains Consciense. He is a little on the ret*rded side. You know what I mean. Don’t make fun of him because he can’t help himself.

It seems to me that Senator Graham, if he does not get exactly what he wants, takes his toys walks off in a huff. I’m surprised the hear that he thinks he has been bipartisan. I just don’t see it. I just don’t. As a Republican myself, I’ve been very disappointed in how the Republican Senators and Congress had reacted to the stimulus bill. Perhaps that was the reason that I voted for Obama this year. The Republican party has a lot of work to do to make their moderate Republican base happy again. Until then, until I see true bipartisanship on the part of Republicans, I guess that I’m now (*ULP*) a Democrat.

Jandj
WELL I CAN SEE your A GOP SUCK UP LEG TINGLING Obama CRYING NUT Just ANTOHER KARl Rove GOP KOOL-AID DRINKING zoombie SO WHEN THIS WORLD FOLDS ……………opps too late and it folder on your buddy’s watch.
Now stop being the problem and get with the program.

Right on Sen. Graham, glad to see someone stands up. Read the bill and there is not one thing about creating jobs.

rightbehind said, “The republicans might have to be put on the endangered species list coming the 2010 elections.” Three years ago the news organizations were all proclaiming the death of the Democratic party, so I don’t think I’d rejoice too soon about what you think is the demise of the Republican party. Everything goes in cycles…. including the economy.
Go ahead and predict an outcome. One party is trying to save and create jobs. The other is sitting on their hands.

Thanks barefootboy. I’m just getting him to spurt out his wasteful notions and prove himself to everyone.

Odd that a member to the Republican party, who decided with disregard for the economic plight of this country, to reject any bill from this president would say this. It’s rather transparent. Reject bi-partisanism, then blame the other party for it’s death. The president started out with an offer of tax cuts in this measure to show his commitment to bi-partisanship. What did he get? Republican policitics as usual. Lock step with Rush Limbaugh, just say no, and pray the new administration fails. Shameful.

Mr. Twister,
Republican is an attitude.
The wheeler-dealers who sold these now toxic assets as low risk, AAA rated securities need to be relieved of the money they extracted from the economy as part of the unwinding of the problems in the economy.
In any case, I wanted you to understand that people in the market did not sell mortgages that are going to bite them in the a** because the government told the to as right wing Baghdad Bob’s have been telling you.
They sold questionable mortgages because they had the opportunity to sell the risk to another party before the bill became due.
And they were only able to do this because 1. the private rating agencies gave these assets AAA status and 2. the regulators thought their job was to suppress regulation.

ellsbells930, put a minority face at the beginning or end of any element of a problem and it concludes the basis of any American problem. It’s a smoke screen. The mortgage industry could have been corrected if all involved wouldn’t have seen $$$$ in their greedy little eyes. Lesson to be learned..stop trying to take advantage of people. How do I know this? If they didn’t see that these people weren’t “fit” to pay $850 per month on the American “Dream???” why would they be able to pay $2300 or $1500 a couple of years later? Ask yourself these question… Could it be that my fellow Americans sought to raise the bar a little higher than necessary and to profit off it at the same time? Could it be that they were betting on foreclosures so that they would be able to reclaim those homes and resale them, again and again??? Last question. Do you trust them to tell you the truth?

Everybody knows the Republican definition of Bipartisanship is: “Either you agree with me and vote with me or I’ll go to the court of public opinion where I’ll lie and badmouth you.”
The court of public opinion is on to them. I highly doubt that will work these days.

How not surprising is it that someone just argued “not one thing to create jobs”
we had a decade now of stupidity like that…
and the most disgusting hijacking and destruction of this country…than , we literally have ever seen.
Read about what worked and what hasn’t worked rather than spewing fantasy.
Read about the Gramm leachey Bill…
read about the firewalls thatw ere removed on both sides of the mortgage industry and try to argue with a straight face that it was the dems front end expansion that did it…and not the repubs deregulation of the back end…in essence similar to things they did with S&L screw ups before.
read about bipartisanship …does not mean doing the 50 50 thing when you have people who were the team that lead our destruction over the last decade…
those ideas…get less after you have sent our country into a tailspin with deregulation and bravado…”kill the enemy” and cowboy crapola…
time to have an adult congress… Boehner and Gramm…are well they are not adult if they can’t recognize how wrong they were over the last decade and then use that to stomp their feet and say they’re not listening to us…because they don’t get their same way again.

If you lost money on your 401k plan,then it was because you werent listening to what the Christian right has been preaching about this economy for 4 yrs.I moved mine to bonds and metals and actually made a little.Keep following the Dodds,and Franks.They will give you all six figure jobs….
Turn to God my friends…
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I limited my 401K when Bush was re-elected, and
never regretted it. I pity the ones who use any organized religion as their marketing strategy.

McCains Conscience, funny that you speak of attitude. The liberals win and they still have an attitude of a tantrum child. My attitude is of Gratitude.

rightbehind – I will make a prediction. The economy will turn itself around before any of Obama’s stimulus can make a dent. Much of what is in that bill won’t come to fruition for 5 years or more. The recession will be a distant memory by then.
I hope your right. I would rather have people building new bridges and repairing highways than to have them sitting at home collecting unemployment.

ellsbelles… the reason we got such a giant onslaught of bad mortgages…is because the mortgage lenders had a sudden windfall of backing from wall street and NO SKIN in THE GAME!
do you get that…because if you do not… go read when those changes happened… with whose initiatives…and whose watch.
Please please please people start reading.

What’s next? Americans walking around following czar obama as zoombies. Hey you know czar obama is about to ask for another trillion dollars soon it is called tarp 3

Can’t bear all the optimism in this thread…. If the mood of the posters is reflective of what’s going on in this country, we might as well pack it in and accept 2nd world country status for good. The stimulus won’t bring Utopia, but we have to go forward. Bipartisanship? Who cares! If the Republicans want to do nothing then democrats must use the power the people gave them.

ellsbells930,
If you know what mortgage backed securities are, then I can only conclude that you are dishonest.
People (and companies) are not motivated to sell products that will cause them to lose everything when the mortgage goes south.
People ARE motivated to sell bad mortgages if they think they can ‘flip’ the mortgage, selling them to someone else who will take the risk.
Now there is nothing wrong with selling high risk assets to someone else. But these mortgages were sold as LOW RISK, AAA rated securities.
Only under these circumstances, where those who sold the mortgage can resell or flip the risky loan to someone else, BY PRESENTING IT AS AAA rated, low risk, THEN THEY ARE MOTIVATED.
These toxic assets were BORN IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. NO government agency said “make these mortgage backed securities”. No government agency said “sell them AS LOW RISK SECURITIES”.
But people had the opportunity to sell these FRAUDULENT (presented as low risk) assets because the government regulators looked the other way.

The GOP are going down the drain with their tax cut proposals! Where were they in the last 8 years? Oh, yeah, they were doubling the national debt, spending $1T in Iraq and transferring $3T of wealth from the middle class to the top 1% of the country! They were the party in charge that has created this mess! The vast majority of GOP’ers don’t understand that the rich GOP’ers are using the rest of them as the instruments to make themselves richer. Hey, go for it!

How many billions of dollars were and are still being wasted in the illegal war in Iraq? Now these good behavior republican conservatives are crying foul about the stimulus package accusing it with too many pork barrel spending expenditures. Who will beleive them now when the treasury department was in billions of dollars surplus 8 years ago and now to a trillions of dollars in deficit. Let’s face it, the stimulus package is not 100% perfect. But at least there is an atmosphere of hope in reversing this continuous downward economic spiral we have gotten to and improve our image and moral standing through out the world that are badly needed in order for us to gain cooperation and successfully eradicate terrorism worldwide.

Spacerock. Sad isn’t it. Where is our form of Government that used to have to be held responsible by the people for what it does?

worker man
we do work for our money…
we just don’t want greedy barons of wall street pulling the wool over the nation’s eyes coming up with schemes disguised as complex monetary algorithms that they say work for everybody… yet did not. these algortihms they came up with that no one understood…should have never been used to legitimize what has now destroyed us.
they built a fake economy.
and how…the Government as you like to say…stepped in… to remove things that kept us as safe… as fire departments and police forces. All under the battle cry that government is bad…and that dems “want the government to rule everything”
stupid gets what stupid wants.

Graham’s comparing apples to oranges. The idea of the stimulus is not to spend .50 and create 1.00 in tax revenue. The idea is to fill in the hole in the monetary contraction. Over time, yes, revenues will catch up and it may have all been worth it. But right now, somebody simply has to put the dirt back in the hole. This is not an ROI issue.

Coherent1 – Who said anything about minorities? There are plenty of people who aren’t minorities who bought more house than they could afford.

WHAT IS OBAMA PLANNING ON SIGNING FOR 4TH OF JULY? HE SEEMS TO WANT HIS NAME ON EVERY “DAY OF HISTORY”.

worker man,
Your comment is utterly ignorant of the facts. First, a majority of the bad mortgages were not “sub-prime”.
Look up the words ALT-A, JUMBO MORTGAGE, NO-DOCUMENT MORTGAGES.
These were given to people with excellent credit records, but are just as toxic as the sub-prime loans. Daniel Gross, with Slate.com and Newsweek, was one of the first to point this fact out.
Second, people are motivated to sell mortgages when THEY THINK THEY WILL MAKE MONEY. And they did make money on these bad loans, because the loans were packaged with good loans, sliced like sausage and sold as LOW RISK, AAA-RATED (by private agencies) securities.
Of course, they were NOT low risk. They were high risk and low risk mixed together.
To those who bought these securitized mortgages IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, these securities were FRAUDULANT.
BUT, they worked for those who sold these fraudulant assets: They gave mortgages to people, with good credit and bad, who could repay them. They sold them off to someone else, by presenting them as low risk. AND THEY TOOK THE MONEY.

Is this Administration the first party to intervene business?
Why no Republican or Republican alike questioned Bush back then when Bush and Republicans gave tax cuts and money to their Republican friend financial business. Everything was Republican way and now what happened.
Maybe some people here don’t need to worry about income and mortgages.

Food for Thought:
REPUBLICANS = MINORITIES !!!
DEMOCRATS = MAJORITIES !!!
Please, consult with your spokesperson RUSH LIMBAUGH. He might give you the right answers for your dwindling party.

Insanity is when you keep repeating Republican policies, and expect a different result.

Graham is right on this one.

John McCain’s conscience – How DARE you call me dishonest. You know NOTHING about me. The financial institution I work for has very strict lending policies. FNMA LOVES buying our mortgages because our mortgage default rate, even in today’s economic climate, is less than .05%. You lose a lot of credibility by calling posters “stupid” and making assumptions about things you couldn’t possibly know. The fact remains that if the mortgages were good mortgages, then mortgage backed securities would be a good deal.

ellsbels930,
You claim to be in the financial sector and yet you don’t comprehend that the purpose of a stimulus bill is to spend money???
Right now businesses, even those making money, are laying people off. They are doing so because they are seeing fewer customers and expect to see fewer customers.
So what we need is MORE SPENDING IN THE ECONOMY.
Private individuals can’t do this. Some have been laid off and some have a rational concern of being laid off.
Therefore only the government can do this. They are, in Keynesian economics, known as the spender of last resort.
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Also, your ideas of what are useless may be, well, less than useful.
THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO INVEST IN NEW, ENERGY EFFICIENT TRANSPORTATION.
THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO INVEST IN SCHOOLS FOR OUR KIDS.
THIS COUNTRY NEEDS TO INVEST IN NEW, RENEWABLE ENERGY PRODUCTION LIKE WIND SO AS TO MAKE US LESS HOSTAGE TO HUGO CHAVEZ AND IRAN AND THE PRINCES OF THE MIDDLE EAST.

The Country has been screwed all right, and by Republicans! It is amazing that they can maintain such an extreme level of denial. Makes one wonder if they are all practicing alcoholics! If they are, at least there would be hope of recovery. If not, where is the hope for them?

We know the Republican’s role just now is to be the “loyal” opposition. The problem is they are supposed to be loyal to the country not the Republican Party. For the last 8 years, they have proved themselves a major problem for middle class America. Fortunately we had 3 “true blue” Republicans in the Senate who put the country before the party.

ellsbells930:Sorry that’s a union job.

So us OBAMA ZOOMBIES WILL ALLOW YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA TO BANKRUPT THE NATION AND LET YOU KEEP ON ASKING FOR MORE AND MORE MONEY BECAUSE WE THINK YOU ARE THE MESSIAH. OH PLEASE PRESIDENT OBAMA PLEASE LINE MY POCKETS WITH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SO I NEVER EVER HAVE TO WORK, OH PLEASE PRESIDENT OBAMA TAKE CARE OF ME, BECAUSE I DO NOT WANT TO WORK, OR TO THINK FOR MYSELF, AND I DO NOT CARE ABOUT FREEDOM. JUST HAND ME EVERYTHING CUZ IT IS TOO HARD TO WORK, GO TO SCHOOL, OR DO ANY THING ON MY OWN…JUST LINE MY POCKETS WITH GOLD AFTER ALL YOU ARE THE MESSIAH

Lizzie – don’t you know… EVERYONE is clamoring to become part of a union. LOL!!!

ellsbells930, the undertone said minorities. And so did a number of Americans. If you’d watched the ABC and CNN programs, they typically show the minorities and an example of the ARM loan recipient. You’ve got to watch the play on words. Just like welfare recipients, lazy people. That’s what they call minorities. I know of none minorities who bought homes using the ARM loan, simply because they owned their own businesses and had file a different type of return. So anyway, that’s from where the minority deal came.

jewels,
You want “bankrupt the nation”? I give you the Iraqi war, which economists have estimated will cost us THREE TRILLION DOLLAR after you count the lifetime medical and financial obligations to our returning vets!
But if you want to look at this stimulus bill, it spends ONLY 1 Trillion dollars, in an attempt to save this country from repeating the Herbert Hoover, Republican , first great depression.
It may not be enough. The Rupublicans have dug the hole that deep!

BKMC…JFK, Regan and G.W. Bush all gave tax cuts and promoted people to get out and spend and it worked on all three cases. Regan added 22 million jobs, G.W. Bush had 52 months of job continues growth,Dow went to 14,000, unemployment 3.2 dipping to 2.8 then came the well warned Fanny Mae/Freddy Mac issue…Boom!!!! Remember 93% of us are still working, were just hanging on to our money in fear, the very fear Obama projects in the fear mongering speeches. this spending will do nothing for the private sector, I don’t care what Obama say, he is a liar. “No Earmarks”…LOL….pay attention and follow what happens in the next year, you will see…and then think.. OMG.. My kids have to pay for this

Read this article http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88851 and then you will understand why this spending bill is a bad idea and then the Treasury Secretary has commented that he may need $2 Trillion more for the banks. We can’t spend what we don’t have. Time to relaize that everyone has to live within their income. If you can’t afford it don’t go into debt to buy it.

DO NOT EVEN TRY TO TALK TO ME ABOUT THE WAR BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN ON THREE DEPLOYMENTS. SO LET ME GUESS YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE THAT SAY OH IT IS OKAY TO DO NOTHING WHEN INNOCENT PEOPLE WERE KILLED HERE ON AMERICAN SOIL? SO AMERICA SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE ANY THING JUST ALLOWED TERRORISTS TO KEEP ON KILLING AMERICANS. AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A AMERICAN. TRY TO TAKE A STAND

Let’s face the facts,
1, When you Rep. were in power for the past eight years – you gave Bush and Boozo the Clown everything he wanted.
2, In tern – Bush never vetoed a Bill coming out of Congress. So it was you pat my back and I’ll pat your back and dam the Dems. and the country. Fill your pockets with the Lobbying money – the more the better.
3, You ran our economy into the ground.

The stimulus still has a lot of pork and I am still feeling uneasy how quickly this will help in recovery and how we will pay for it. The Republicans make their point — but in the horse trading they lost to Dems who have the control now. Good luck in paying for it and the upcoming inflations!!

JEWELS,
Spend your own money on your favorite war. We are on the edge of economic catastrophe. Insanity is when you keep repeating Republican policies, expecting a different result!
By the way, when I quote the cost of George Bush’s war, I INCLUDE THE MEDICAL AND FINANCIAL OBLIGATIONS to our returning vets. Republicans, not so much.

Well Sen. Schumer said, americans don’t care about the pork thats in this bill. I guess he is right.
John McCain’s conscience: are you about thru with your list or have you gotten new instructions.

WE ARE BORROWING THIS MONEY FROM CHINA, JAPAN,UAE AND GREAT BRITIAN.

Conscience writes to NeoFred in part:
Your omission of the great recession of 1981-82 under Reagan as well as the one under George H Bush tells us much.
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The “great recession of 1981-82 under Reagan”……..you’ve got to be kidding right??? In a few short months Reagan caused a “great recession” [your words, not mine]?? Reagan took office in January, 1981……right after that famous four year Democrat named Jimmah Carter had us in one of the worst economic conditions since the great depression.
unbelievable……..I would take time to refute your other assertions but then again it would be wasted on a closed mind.

IF U FEEL THAT WAY THEN WHY DON’T YOU JUST LEAVE. IF YOU DON’T LIKE FREEDOM AND BELIEVE THAT TERRORISTS HAVE A RIGHT TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE. IT IS TO BAD YOU WEREN’T IN THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS MCAIN’S CONSCIENCE

WE ARE BORROWING THIS MONEY FROM CHINA, JAPAN,UAE AND GREAT BRITIAN.
Posted by: JEWELS
GB, Japan don’t have this kind of money, China already owns half of the US and UAE owns the other half. So what is your question????????
Answer: Print Baby print!!!!!!!!!

Jim King, I’ve noticed that as well. Could it be that they would like to have our money and use as they would see fit? Even if it hurts the average American? Therefore calling it Socialism when it is directed to the people and capitalism when it is directed to Wall Street?

To all those who call Obama a Socialist because you believe our money is going to welfare rolls: Didn’t welfare rolls exist under Republican control as well? What was it called then?

HOW SOON GRAHAM FORGETS.WHERE WAS THIS BIPARTISANSHIP HE THINKS SO HIGHLY ABOUT THE FIRST SIX YEARS BUSH JR. WAS IN OFFICE.I remember well what BUSH promised. I also know what happen. HOW SOON THE REPUBLICANS FORGET.

For the want of a nail the kingdom was lost. That’s the GOP tactic. Identify small obvious flaws and scream bloody murder. It might work if they hadn’t had eight years to do better and if they hadn’t left the nation in depression and added $4.5 trillion to the debt besides.

It’s real simple – there seem to be two different kinds of people: those who NEED government and those who DON’T NEED government. Government is important as far as protecting our liberties, national defense, and providing infrastructure – beyond that government is NOT necessary; a free society can creative come up with its own solutions. What I don’t appreciate is the financial irresponsibility of those who NEED government which ruin for those of us who have survived well enough without it (and for those of you NEEDY folks who must think I’m rich, I’m not – I’m a middle class citizen who believes in self-reliance and the American spirit of independence).

The Bill of Rights and the Constitution give you the right to have a home, food, car, TV,etc. But they put the responsibility of those paying for those things on you the individual, not us the collective. What people in this country have to wake up to is that their are rights and then there are responsibilities. They all want the rights but don’t want the responsibility. Time to take responsibility instead of looking for everyone else to provide the plush lifestyle you desire. Welfare should be a minor stop on the path of life, not a permanent residence.

Coherent1 writes:
“To all those who call Obama a Socialist because you believe our money is going to welfare rolls: Didn’t welfare rolls exist under Republican control as well? What was it called then?”
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They were called welfare rolls then too………they have been called welfare rolls primarily since the “great society” of LBJ and the Democratic Congress (that was in power for a good 40 years) poured massive amounts of money that was going to end poverty and dependency……..would you care to comment on its success in an honest fashion?? It really began with FDR and the “new deal” and has continued since then.
Remember the “good old days’ under Clinton when welfare rolls were cut dramatically?? The Clintonistas like to take credit for that….unfortunately he signed that legislation kicking and screaming with the rest of the left wing of the democratic party….it was the republicans that pushed that through……have republicans strayed and left their fiscal conservative roots….absolutely and I for one readily admit that…..but the Democratic party has NEVER been known for being fiscally conservative in the last 50 years.
Make no mistake……America is rapidly moving toward a socialist democracy in the european mold….many will come on this board and tout its success…..and in some of the smaller countries, it has been “comfortable”…..unfortunately none of these countries has (or ever will) attain superpower status in a dangerous world…………………….to those who would gut military spending in the interest of more welfare for the people………..be very careful….you may just get your wish.

Coherent1 – I never said minorities. I can’t control how you interpret what I said – that has your own biases in it. (Not that we don’t all bring our own biases to our views).

The Modernization Act of 2000 was signed into law on Dec 21 2000 by then President Bill Clinton, a democrat, (reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_Default_Swap) Get you facts straight before you start typing!!
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And those poor poor Republicans who came into
power with a majority lead the following
year saw nothing wrong with it and did nothing to
modify it?! Go hide in the corner with the rest of
them.

OH PLEASE LET PRESIDENT OBAMA TRY TO TAKE FREEDOM AWAY FROM AMERICA. PLEASE LET HIM TRY…THERE WILL BE SUCH HELL TO PAY PLEASE LET HIM TRY THAT ONE.

Let’s give Republican theory a try. No taxes for everyone–not just the mega rich. Everyone is considered self-employed (but the trade off is that you get the same perks and right offs as businesses do). Government cannot regulate,dictate to you about your business, even if all you do is turn screws for a living. Upshot, no more haliburton contracts, blackwater programs, inflated military deals, no Wall Street government policies. Yeah, let’s see how Republican, republicans are then!!! The tune will suddenly change. Republicans have nothing but contempt for everyday Americans. That drug addict Rush Limbaugh should go on another high. Oh, that’s right, prescription medicine is different than cocaine. WHAT HYPOCRITS!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, it grows on trees.

OH PRESIDENT OBAMA HOW I LOVE THEE..PLEASE LINE MY POCKETS WITH MILLION OF DOLLARS..TEACH MY KIDS TO HATE AMERICA AND FREEDOM..FEED ME..WIPE MY ASS..TELL ME HOW TO THINK..WHERE TO GET FOOD…IT IS TO HARD TO A AMERICAN AND TO THINK FOR MYSELF..I NEED SOMEONE TO TAKE CARE OF ME..I NEVER EVER HAVE TO WORK FOR ANY THING..I CAN RUN MY BUSINESS INTO THE GROUND..COME RUNNING TO YOU PRESIDENT OBAMA BECAUSE YOU ARE MY SAVIOR..IT WOULD BE TO HARD TO STAND ON MY OWN TO FEET..IT WOULDN’T BE AMERICAN TO WORK FOR A LIVING…LET’S JUST HAVE EVERYTHING HANDED TO US…TELL ME WHERE TO GO TO MEDICAL CARE..TELL ME WHEN MY APPOINTMENT IS…TELL ME WHO LIVES AND DIES. TELL ME THAT I AM TO HEAVY OR TO SKINNY OR TO OLD TO GET MEDICAL TREATMENT.OH PRESIDENT OBAMA TAKE ALL OF MY FREEDOM’S AWAY BECAUSE AFTER ALL I DO NOT CARE ABOUT MY FREEDOM OR AMERICA. I JUST WANT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF THE REST OF MY LIFE. JUST GO AHEAD AND BANKRUPT THE NATION IT IS OKAY BECAUSE WE WILL LET UAE COME IN AND TAKE MEN AND THE WOMEN WILL JUST BECOME PIECES OF PROPERTY. IT’S OKAY NO AMERICAN CARES ANY MORE BECAUSE PRESIDENT OBAMA YOU ARE MY SAVIOR..THE MESSIAH. SO GO AHEAD AND BANKRUPT THE NATION….KEEP GOING BACK TO CONGRESS AND ASKING FOR MORE AND MORE MONEY…IT IS OKAY BECAUSE THE AMERICAN CITIZENS WILL NOT WAKE UP…SO NEXT WEEK OBAMA JUST ASK FOR 10 TRILLION DOLLARS…WHY KEEP US WAITING..JUST BANKRUPT THE NATION….IT IS OKAY AFTER ALL BECAUSE NO ONE WILL MAKE A STAND.

So which socialist countries, exactly cut taxes, then?

Jewels… you need to read. before you get on your computer and start posting with all capitals.
You sound like the same stuff that everyone hates right now…that got us here.
and yes…most of America HATES the stuff coming out of your mouth. It makes them angry because it is arguments that have nothing to do with what is great about this country…they are arguments that we heard (with gusto) for the last decade. Like the husband who says…”I love you, I know what’s good for you and it’s for your own good because you are weak and dumb…I can’t give you facts to back that up…and … mow give me your paycheck after I gambled away the rest of our savings.”
at some point the wife realizes …the husband is a loud mouth dumb scum bag…and his ideas…are bankrupt…whether he believes them or not.

dl….safety net riley’s on people willing to go out and work, not wait around for government to give them hand outs, all the Mexican that jumped the border proved that, they all had jobs.middle and lower/middle classes all benefit from the rich, I’m very middle class, I get paid very well from the “Rich”. When you all get a job from a welfare case, let us know, or a GOOD job from a middle class, let us know. The to 5% income earners pay 60% of the income tax. Look it up for your self . if you think government will provide for you, your wrong, in short term they will, then we (as a nation) will go broke. IF THE GOVERNMENT GIVES, IT MUST TAKE. by that time, there won’t be enough rich to take from, it will be the middle class that gets the tax hike,

DL asks “haven’t we gone down hill dramatically since poorer people didn’t have a safety net…”
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actually DL the so-caled “safety net” keeps getting bigger……have the Great Society” promises of LBJ and the Democrats solved the problem after literally TRILLIONS of dollars??
Your point about “not taking or asking for any aid” if you don’t believe in the government “safety net” is the same one Senator Graham responds to in the article. Answer: Not unless you give me back all the money I have paid and will pay for it…..and I am not one of the “so-called” rich the left demagogs…..(unless it is “one of their own”).
Want me to give up my future social security??? O.K….pay me back every dime that has been paid into the system by myself (and any employer forced to match my contributions) PLUS the market rate of return over the same time period…….are you prepared to do that?

I can see Lindsey Graham’s point. But to blame Obama for a bill written by the Congress isn’t entirely fair. Obama’s expressed displeasure with the bill in private because he thought it included some items that belonged elsewhere. And even the Dems in Congress, in consultation with Republicans, whittled down the bill from over $800B to about $780B. Graham is wrong in saying bipartisanship means taking on your own party. “Bipartisanship” means ignoring party affiliation completely and being willing to compromise and accept something less than perfect.

Lets wait and see how many jobs this bill will create. If its only work that is created, then when the work is done, you still won’t have a JOB.

Robert Maxwell writes: “But to blame Obama for a bill written by the Congress isn’t entirely fair.”
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Perhaps not sir, but why did President Obama allow them to write it in the first place?? It should have been his bill and he may have actually pulled off more of a “bipartisan” product. Newt Gingrich said that was a huge mistake on the President’s part……..like him or hate him, Gingrish is an astute historian.

Well DL, I can only hope you are right and that I am incorrect. But following newspapers, Bill Moyers, Meet the Press, George Stephanapolous (sp?),CBS, NBC, ABC nightly news pieces, and so on, many of these outlets point to the issue of Obama’s failed effort to bring Republicans to the table. I don’t blame our president so much as I do the GOP knuckleheads. I can only hope your take is the correct one. I don’t trust Republicans for a second.

Obama sign it, he and the democrat party will own it (with three rhinos) 37% are in support, 63% of America and strongly against it. if it succeeds, Republican will get trashed next election, if it fails, (witch by reading it it definitely will fail.there is just nothing for the private sector, the payroll revenue source for government jobs) the democrat senate will get smoked next election, history has shown.

Jewels
“democrats wimps”?
seems we whipped your a##es.
oh but you’re right…we didn’t win with blowharded blarney…
truth and logic…facts and history… and the values that actually TRULY built this country to what it was… took hold again…
so if by wimps…you mean smart and grounded in the TRUE American values… sure by all means …call us wimps…
like the drunk bar fighter calling his friends wimps as he gets gragged out of the bar by a crew of old ladies.
lol

Big govt…….Bigger Govt………..
BIGGER GOVT………………………
………. BAMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!
Idiots!

idahogirl …not the “past 8 Years” at one point there was 52 months of continues job growth, Dow at a record high of 14,000 and a record low of unemployment of 3.2 dipping to the low point of 2.8…then came the 2006 liberal senate and the bust of Fanny Mae and Freedy Mac.The past 8 years were not good for the people that just focused on their hatred towards Bush and didn’t focus on the facts. other that 9/11 my past 8 years were great, I’m a middle class person that work 50 hours a week. If year going to wait around for government to make your life wonderful, quit work and give up ay hope for success and then go on welfare(if your not already). this newly elected government will be great to you

Yeah, take THAT idahogirl! Just ignore the 7-8% unemployment! Dummy! Ignore your failed job search attempts! Ignore your now-worthless 401K! Heed neofred’s advice to ignore reality!!!
Neofred, NZ beckons u 2!

DL writes:
“and for those who want to talk about the top 5% income earners…do you realize that their tax ration growth over the last 40 years has grown at half the rate as the rest of Americans… ”
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DL not sure where you are getting your information but if you go to the IRS website you will find a whole lot of statistics that might surpise you. Did you know this:
1) 86% of all federal personal income taxes are paid by the top 25% of wage earners. This would be your wealthy and upper..upper income earners. 86%!!!
2) 97% of all federal personal income taxes are paid by the top 50% of income earmers…..again hardly the so-called “working class” the left loves to champion;
3) 39% of all federal personal income taxes are paid by the top 1% of all income earners. These are the multi-millionaires. And guess what else?? This number went up TWO percentage points after GWB took office.
And Idahogirl calls for a more “progressive” tax structure…….I guess we could confiscate much of the wealth in this country and take care of the poor……but I think that has been tried elsewhere……the results were DEADLY for millions.

2) 97% of all federal personal income taxes are paid by the top 50% of income earmers…..again hardly the so-called “working class” the left loves to champion;
Bill Gates walks into a bar, and on average everyone in the bar is a multi-millionaire.

No idea who or what “kombrade” is, but darlin, sure thing!!! Anything you want.
Just leave.
Just leave me a list, and I’ll send everything on it to you.
buh bye.

2) 97% of all federal personal income taxes are paid by the top 50% of income earmers…..again hardly the so-called “working class” the left loves to champion;
Bill Gates walks into a bar, and on average everyone in the bar is a multi-millionaire.
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No, actually the Bill Gates bar crowd pays 39% of all federal personal income taxes…..and that amount went up under GWB. Reminds me of the famous quote about the RAF pilots in Britain during WWII:
“Never have so few done so much for so many”
…..unfortunately the “so many” want a lot more and they are voting to get it.

dl …YEAH…! YOUR SIDE WON..! now lets see what your side has to offer other than,to repress people into needing government, I work too hard as a middle class to pay for the dead beats food stamp program, because more money went to that than helping the working class in the bill that passed, I praise republicans for not signing on other that the three Rhinos.

And again, I am not a Republican/Socialist, but I do whole-heartedly agree with the Republican mayor of Charlotte who seems to have moved heaven and earth to get that transit system in place. No government involvement, there, I suppose?

8 years vs. 4 weeks – you could not be more correct my friend!!
Love your “new math.”

And really, who knows America better than the Chinese?
Man, get a grip. And if the feeling ever strikes you, look at the socialistic tendencies within your own party.

WHO THE H*** CARES WHAT REPUBLICANS THINK ANYWAY?
THEY DESTROYED THIS COUNTRY’S ECONOMY AND NOW THEY SUDDENLY KNOW BEST?
LINDSAY: “SCREW” YOURSELF.
Posted by: R Mutt | Feb 15, 2009 11:23:43
Only about 49% or more of the country care. THis bill is good for the Rep. party bad for the country and that is why they were against it. When it fails it will be no problem them taking the senate and congress in 2010. They know that but they still were against the bill why because they are not only looking out for us but our kids and grandkids.

spacerook – They actually attempted to change it, but Barney Frank convinced everyone that there was nothing wrong with Freddie & Fannie. April 2001 – Bush Admin warned of a potential problem. 2003 – Bush Admin again warns of a problem & proposes regulations for Fannie & Freddie – but Barney Frank opposes the measure (paraphrasing) “Fannie & Freddie are not in a crisis. We need to encourage them to get more people in homes….the threat is exaggerated….” The legislation was dropped. Feb. 2005- Greenspan “we are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk”. 2006 -McCain sponsored legislation to regulate Fannie/Freddie – in the banking sub-committee, it passed, with votes going along party lines (huh….sound familiar???) – the Republicans didn’t think they had enough votes to pass it & dropped it. So the Republicans did try to do something – but in those years, it was the Democrats being obstructionists.

I don’t expect anyone to give me anything, friend. You’ve mistaken me for someone else.

Idahogirl writes:
“Most small businesses, the backbone of our economy, pay very little corporate taxes. And if a company generates a loss, a tax cut does zip.”
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Actually most small businesses elect Sub chapter S status such that the taxes are paid by the owners (stockholders) on their personal income tax returns. A loss also carries over to their personal return. A tax cut most certainly helps them in many ways, especially job creation and retention of employees.
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“And what good has the Bush era “record low unemployment” done for our economy since it created only 5 Million NEW jobs while providing tax incentives for businesses to send jobs overseas?”
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Wow…the exact same number of jobs Obama has promised to create. If the corporate tax incentives encourage businesses to send jobs overseas, why won’t the democratic controlled congress and the white house cut corporate taxes to a rate comparable with say Ireland??
Why have foreign automakers, steel companies, aerospace firms, etc. invested heavily in the United States? Be careful with the party line about “American jobs” going overseas….the door swings both ways.

Notsoshe, I will bring out the proof readers since we are now required to meet your English 101 standards in order to pound the keyboard. I thought we were talking about bipartisanship and the stimulus bill ……not English 101……………….hmmmm I wonder when the adult conversation left the house?

Perhaps someone should remind Senator Graham and his friends that it was his party that brought us to this historical economic apex of failure due to willful neglect on domestic policies, and along with miscalculations and incompetency with the Middle East and the two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (with no ROI or productivity).
Regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican was elected in last November as president, a stimulus bill was on the table this January. So the real fight about this stimulus bill is about what are the priorities for the country.
The current 2009 Stimulus Bill does in fact focus on the right things such as infrastructure, healthcare networks, renewable energy, tax credit and tax cuts which in return will improve country’s productivity.
And this where the republicans fall short in their national debate again, because the purpose of the stimulus is not so much to create jobs directly but to kick-start or improve the overall productivity of our key economic enablers. Why – Because only increase productivity will creates jobs and growth, that are sustainable in the longer view.

threeriverscrossing ….Perhaps someone should remind Senator Graham and his friends that it was his party that brought us to this historical economic apex of failure..You wrote…if thats the case, so it’s okay for this bunch to make it worse with socailism?

Idahogirl said “And what good has the Bush era “record low unemployment” done for our economy since it created only 5 Million NEW jobs ” Ok….so creating 5 million new jobs is worse than creating 4 million new jobs per Obama’s prediction for the stimulus package? When I learned to count, 5 is larger than 4.

WILLY FROM ARKANSAS TO NOW DONT TELL ME YOU ARE THAT BLIND
Posted by: JANDJ | Feb ********************************************************* Ummm JANDJ, you may need to UP the meds!

The country is no longer white enough for the GOP, so they have no understanding of what’s going on outside Washington.

OH PRESIDENT OBAMA WHERE IS MY MONEY THAT YOU PROMISED ME? WHERE IS THIS PERFECT LIFE THAT YOU PROMISED WHILE YOU WHERE RUNNING? OH WHERE IS THAT PROMISE OF A CHANGED WASHINGTON? YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE MESSIAH. THE PERFECT PRESIDENT, BUT YET YOU ARE STOOPING TO WASHINGTON VALUES. YOU ARE BEING RAN BY PELOSI AND REID. ARE YOU PRESIDENT OR STILL CAMPIGNING FOR OFFICE? WHERE IS THE GOLD TO LINE MY POCKETS? WHERE IS MY MILLION DOLLARS, MY HEALTHCARE, FOOD, AND EVERY THING ELSE YOU PROMISED? WHY OH WHY ARE YOU BANKRUPTING AMERICA AND WHY ARE YOU COMING BACK TO CONGRESS ASKING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR MORE AND MORE MONEY?

What a bunch of dimwits posting here. You still haven’t figured out that the two parties are the enemy. As long as they keep Americans fighting each other, they win.

Send more $ for education to SC! Senator Graham was talking about the $ that he thought should go to banks and said, “could have went.” Obviously he is proof they need more education $ in SC to learn basic verb tenses. As for banking…I wonder about addition and substraction if someone cannot properly conjugate a verb.
Jill

Idahogirl – this stimulus plan is expected to create 3,675,000 jobs (according to Obama’s advisors) – far short of what you are saying. (And personally, I don’t believe it will create any real sustainable substantive jobs).

Note: When President Bush took office in 2001, Republicans and Democrats in Washington had built a strong consensus on the need for [[Fiscal Responsibility]].
Bush Blew that apart within a few months. With the country in a recession, a temporary return to deficits was inevitable.
But Bush’s [[Tax Cuts and Spending Increases]] and Clear Disdain for the Pay-As-You-Go Approach]] that had brought deficits down in the [1990s], brought a return to [Permanent Deficits].
These actions almost certainly didn’t cause the Current Crisis, but they have left the Federal Government in a much Weaker position to combat it.
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Time Magazine: Tax Cuts Solution, Aint The Solution……
When Ronald Reagan slashed taxes on capital gains and high earners in the early 1980s, inflation was pushing the middle class into top tax brackets, financial markets had been stuck in a funk for 15 years and income inequality had been declining for almost five decades.
Like him or not, the man’s actions fit the times and the U.S. economy boomed for most of his two terms in office.
Big Note: Bush came to Washington facing almost diametrically opposing economic conditions, yet he offered up the same solutions as [Reagan].
Guess what: they weren’t what the economy needed.
Hahaha !!!
The GOP’s One Trick Party Rule…[[Tax Cuts]]
You Need a Decent Balance of All Things and [[100% Tax Cut Bill]] would be a JOKE !!!

They have only managed to light the fuse for the next Boston tea Party. This had nothing to do with bi partisanship. Obama said it well, we won the election so go to hell.

Does Obama want to correct what he considers to be Republican governing errors or is he going to “DOUBLE DOWN” on them?? You Blackjack players will like that term.
If you add to the stimulus bill a realistic budget baseline (i.e. regular budget funds), the projected cumulative budget deficit from 2010 to 2017 will be 8.4 TRILLION dollars. That is more than 2.5 times the size of the Bush deficits over the same time period.
The scariest part is that there is more to come….Turbo tax Geithner is talking about 2.5 TRILLION dollars in bailout funds.
Yep….looks like President obama is going to “double down” on what he called the reckless governing of the republicans.

By the way, if anyone wants to ask me a question I have an extra e-mail set up for that purpose:
musicaonline311@yahoo.com

I hope everyone who is reading this is capable, talented and productive. When the banking system finishes collapsing, those who aren’t capable of feeding themselves (farmers), earning a living (mechanics, builders, some kind of tradesman), or otherwise already wealthy are going to be in a world of hurt.
EVERYONE, no matter how disadvantaged, deserves a place to live – but if you cannot afford to OWN a home, putting you in one temporarily in a mortgage you cannot afford is a CRUEL JOKE, and one which is about to bankrupt the country. Shame on Frank, Dodd, and anyone who voted to extend homebuying credit to the credit-unworthy and incapable; your time of troubles will not be escaped, and the rest of us will hold you accountable for your part in our pain.

Graham and McCain are a joke. Where was their bi-partisanship the last 8 years. Party first – toe the line. Their 8 years of bi-partisanship wrecked the economy. Who really cares what they think? I’ve heard them complain about Obama, but Obama’s done more than Bush has ever been able to even think about doing. I’ve only heard the Republicans complain but other than spouting off about tax breaks, I’ve not heard them come up with any solutions. If Lindsey Graham wants to really see the problem, he should go look in the mirror.

THE AL CAPONE GOVERNMENT AT ITS BEST — PERJURY, TAX EVASION, CONSPIRACIES, BRIBERY, FRAUD, RICO, GOODBYE AMERICA AS I KNEW YOU!!!
MAJOR TRIUMPH FOR OBAMA — MAJOR CATASTROPHE FOR OUR COUNTRY
A 160 million dollar inauguration wasn’t enough of a slap in the face to a hurting nation. Now he flies all over the country at taxpayers’ expense.
President Obama will sign the spending package but maybe he should add that members of Congress, both Houses should have an income freeze as quickly as they spend our money without even reading the spending bill created by lobbyists.
Where is representative government?
Everyone needs to stay engaged — pay attention and inform your family and friends of what is happening. We have elections coming in 2010 to set things right. We need to replace our members of Congress. In the meantime, speak up to your local and state officials — often!!!!

“The current 2009 Stimulus Bill does in fact focus on the right things such as infrastructure, healthcare networks, renewable energy, tax credit and tax cuts which in return will improve country’s productivity.
And this where the republicans fall short in their national debate again, because the purpose of the stimulus is not so much to create jobs directly but to kick-start or improve the overall productivity of our key economic enablers. Why – Because only increase productivity will creates jobs and growth, that are sustainable in the longer view.”
But the CBO disagrees with you. They say the stimulus may do a little in the short term (2 yrs) but it will severely limit growth in the longer term (3-4 yrs) because available dollars that could have been used for investment will need to be used to pay debt.

I can see the Obamabot’s soon starting to apologizing to us Independents and Republicans for voting for Obama.

Maxine Waters defends the spending in the bill – the same Maxine Waters who ganged up with Frank and Dodd to argue how stable Freddie and Fannie were when the Republicans tried to regulate them. Yeah, Maxine, you have such great judgment, I’ll believe you on this one, too. NOT.

Somedude.
The US was set up as a free nation. Not a nanny state. The gov has no business spending money they dont even have .
Since the ‘sky is falling’ and we HAVE to borrow our grandkids money (babyboomers and gen x is long gone already) cant we do it for things that DIRECTLY stimulate the economy?
You liberals NEVER seem to mention the fact all this ‘spending’ on all the projects is with money we dont have and should never consider in the first place.
Perhaps if you considered this, then there would have been a more bipartisan support for this monstrosity of generational theft.
Then we can go tuck our kids in at night and inform them we all screwed up so we need to STEAL their money so WE dont have to suffer for our mistakes.

Yep! The Country Is Screwed! Waite Till That 3 AM phone call!

Oh President OBAMA PLEASE BANKRUPT THE NATION, PLEASE BORROW THIS MONEY FROM CHINA, UAE, JAPAN, AND WAY WHERE ELSE. IT DOEN’T MATTER BECAUSE AMERICANS DO NOT CARE. JUST KEEP ON GOING BACK TO CONGRESS AND ASKING FOR TRILLIONS AND TRILLIONS MORE. GO AHEAD AND BANKRUPT THE NATION. IT IS OKAY MR. PRESIDENT, AFTER ALL NO AMERICAN WILL MAKE A STAND. NO AMERICAN CARES ABOUT FREEDOM OR THE PRINCIPLES ON WHICH THE UNITED STATES WERE FOUNDED. EVERY ONE JUST WANTS TO BE TAKEN CARE AND EVERY ONE JUST WANTS A HAND OUT. THEY JUST WANT TO BELLEVE EVERYTHING THAT COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH. THEY DO NOT WANT TO THINK FOR MYSELVES, OR TO DO RESEARCH. IT IS OKAY MR. PRESIDENT GO AHEAD AND DESTORY AMEIRCA NO ONE WILL MAKE A STAND. SO CONTINUE TO KEEP GOING BACK TO CONGRESS FOR NANCY PELOSI’S PET PROJECT, AND KEEP ON HAVING CONGRESS VOTE ON THE BIGGEST SPENDING BILLS EVER SO THAT THE CONGRESSMAN/CONGRESSWOMAN CAN TAKE OFF OVER SEAS. BECAUSE AFTER ALL YOU WANT TO TELL US WHEN TO EAT, WHEN TO SLEEP, WHEN WE CAN RECIEVE MEDICAL CARE, WHERE WE GET OUR MONEY FROM, AND WHO GOES TO SCHOOL. SO KEEP ON SPENDING TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND JUST BANKRUPT THE NATION. AND WHEN THE TERRORIST ATTACK IN 6 MONTHS YOU WILL HAVE THE AMERICA THAT YOU WANTED. THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT. NO ONE WILL MAKE A STAND. IF THERE WAS SUCH A RUSH ON PASSING THIS BILL THEN WHY HAVEN’T YOU SIGNED IT YET? WHY SIGNING IT IN DENVER? IT WAS SUCH A RUSH TO GET THIS THRU BUT YOU CAN’T SIGN IT IN WASHINGTON ON LAST FRIDAY AFTER THEY PASSED IT? SO GO AHEAD AND MARCH BACK TO GONRESS, I WANT 900 TRILLION DOLLARS MORE CONGRESS. OH OKAY MR. PRESIDENT, THE PROTECTORS OF THE CONSITUTION WILL JUST HAND YOU THE KEY TO THE VAULT AND YOU CAN TAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU WOULD EVER NEED. SO AGAIN THANK YOU MR. PRESIDENT, THANK YOU FOR DESTORYING AMERICA.

The mans been in power a whole three weeks and all this is HIS fault? C’mon! The only thing screwed is the GOP and they are really mad about it! (hehehe)

“I think it would be smart for South Carolina to take the money because South Carolina’s going to have to pay the money back. The average taxpayer’s gets to get $8 of tax relief, but their children get $1-trillion of debt,” he said.”~ Graham
In other words we voted no but we are still going to benefit from it. What kind of nonsense is that? Hypocritical a-holes if you ask me. Vote him and McCain out the next election. They are both part of the problem in Washington.

The Republicans wanted to nickel and dime Americans with a $440 billion plan. Economists are saying that the $780 billion plan isn’t enough!!! We need strong action and Lindsey and Jim Demint are SC GOP weasels!

Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, that believes that the GOP has any knowledge of economics, after the past 8 years, IS A COMPLETE FOOL. These people have absolutely NO reason to see the President do well, and to see the country grow and prosper under Obama. NONE !!!
Let’s say this economy starts growing again, the employment rate does go up, and basically the country does well under Obama, WHAT ARE THE REPUBLICANS GOING TO SAY THEN?; and what could they POSSIBLY run on in the future?
The GOP is playing politics PERIOD. Where was all of the “economic know-how” and fiscal conservatism when bush was spending us into this mess? They know that if the country does well under Obama, THEY ARE DEAD !!!!!
So in other words…….SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP graham, mccain and all the rest of you republicans. You have PROVEN to be inept and incapable of running this country successfully.

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Wow, judging by the majority of these comments, the republican party has lost all of its credibility. I think they should just sit back and be quiet for awhile. It is obvious that after this past administration, the country is sick of the GOP.

Democrats and Republicans are more alike than either side would like to admit. They all lie, cheat and stab each other in the back to better themselves and their party rather than the American People they are supposed to be working for! Very few of them can actually think for themselves and they just promote the policies and talking points their party tells them to. We need a third party so badly but everyone instead blames the other side and defends theirs no matter who is right or wrong. We need free think representatives…im sick of the damn “politicians” and their blind sheep followers.

Julie….People are sick of the republican party, then in the next few years they will get sick of the democratic party when they overreach and ignore any other opinions and re-elect republicans. Then the republicans will do as they please when they get re-elected and everyone will get sick of them again. Its a never ending cycle that switches back from one type of wasteful mismanagement to another equally bad type of wasteful mismanagement over and over again. And thanks to that we find ourselves in trillions of dollars in debt and on the verge of losing our standing as the most powerful nation in the world….partisan politics on both sides is ruining this country!

The kind of things that are in this bill are just scary. This bill was more about Policy than Stimulus, and the media is playing right along with it.
It is a very sad time for our Country.

Not the country, Sen Graham, the Republican Party and everything it stands for will be screwed. And the sooner the better.
With Obama the country has a hope of avoiding its demise. With a Republican administration we’d be living it.

Lets all turn around and bend over.

LOL, good one V.

If thr trickle down policies they want to follow worked we would have 100% employment right now. Instead we have the ever widening margin between the haves and have nots because there is no reward for giving Americans jobs just communists and other sweat shop running countries.
Thanks a lot for free trade it sure seems to be working.

It appears to me that Republicans are loosing seats because the American voter doesn’t want them in office. Now, I wouldn’t think that the reason for this phenomenom is their past performance. Naw, it couldn’t be. Maybe somebody stole those seats and gave them to the Dems

I say screw bi-partisanship. The GOP has nothing new to offer, let ‘em whine all they want. King George never bothered to be bi-partisan, it was his way or the highway. Give the Dems a chance to enact their entire agenda, warts and all. We’ll STILL be way better off than we were under the thumb of the GOP…..

I’m sure Lindsey Graham knows what bipartisanship isand I bet he can actually spell it. So, if he and other Republicans know “what it is” why aren’t they practicing it? Even if the Obama administration and Congressional Democrats where acting like Republican and try to shut them out, true bipartisanship would dictate that they keep trying. But since Obama and the Democrats (less Pelosi)AREN’T trying to push them out, they have no excuse. The only effort at bipartisanship was a bunch of lip service and now they fill the airways with poisonous rhetoric. They offer no alternatives, just a bunch of whining. They would rather this country sank further into an economic morass than to cooperate and look for a solution. A solution to a problem, I might add, that is mostly of Republican making.

Wow, there are some very ‘simple’ liberal bloggers on this site (you must be proud ABC, almost as bad as CNN’s now).
I say well done to Lindsey Grahame. The republicans have found there voice in opposing this spendulous bill. they are right for voting no and this will benefit them in next year’s elections. half of the bill would have helped to stimulate the economy, the other half is spending of money we dont have and is going to hurt the country for many years. This is something Obama can never deny when it comes back to bite him in future elections.

Hey lou . . . it really is simple. The voters have been awakened by this huge mess you and your repub thugs created through your weapons of mass lies and destruction, and they are paying attention now, thank God. Your worst nightmare has come true . . . voters are beginning to think for themselves. Just be aware that your desperation will grow as your light continues to dim. We can read your posts and see that is exactly what is happening. Simple.

Let’s see, under the Republican led President and congress we went from a balanced budget with a surplus, to a trillion dollar deficet within four years. They quadrupled the size of the federal goverment. We had no job growth in eight years of their glorious leadership, only job loss. Let’s not forget our involvement in the needless Iraq war which is costing us billions of dollars a month as well.
So all of a sudden they have all become fiscally responsible and economic experts to boot? What a pathetic joke that is!!!!!

Why does everyone blame the Republicans? Seems everyone forgets there was a Democratic Congress that helped in equal, if not more, proportions. Get a grip people.

Tammy – the reason everyone blames Republicans is very simple – they were in complete charge for the past eight years. They de-regulated the banking industry. They grew the size of the government and spent us into a deficit so deep and dark that our children’s children will be paying it off. The Republicans marhed this country lockstep into a pointless yet expensive war we could not afford. And not once did they consider what was good for the American people. Elected Republicans are a party of wealthy white people who take care of their own, totalling ignoring the middle and lower classes. For the life of me I cannot understand why any middle class person would choose to b e a Republican, given the fact that elected Republicans have not lifted a finger for them. What they are good at – filling the airways with whining, complaining and general negativity with out offering an alternative with any substance. They should all just sit down and shut up!

OINK OINK OINK This boondoogle bill is nothing but PORK as payback to campaign contributors – Chicago style street
thug mugging of Americans – There’s so MUCH PORK in the bill even California Senator Boxer AND Feinstein voted for it. We’re not too shocked at Boxer’s flipping the bird at taxpaying actual American citizens, but we thought Feinstein would have learned a little bit about money management from her well-connected rich hubby, but guess not as she voted for this sell-out of Americans…the bill doesn’t even have the basic courtesy of E-Verify. SHAME, SHAME.

I don’t know what a liberal is, but I do know what a Republican sympathizer is. You think it is okay for Big Oil to have cheap access to U.S. land for drilling, but then stick it to the consumer on the world market. You like that older Americans must pay through the nose for medications. You don’t want anyone buying meds that are cheaper in Canada, Mexico, etc–because that is SOCIALISM!!. You want to engage in 2 wars simultaneously, and waste billions, billions of dollars monthly for meager results. Where is Bin Laden? You want capital gains taxes to be zero, but by God no average American should be able to write off credit card interest chareges (Reagan). Repubs endorse any company to file chapter 11 bankruptcy–wiping out obligatins to pensions, but oh no consumers YOU CANNOT DECLARE BANKRUPTCY AND WIPE OUT YOUR OBLIGATIONS!!!! VOTE REPUBLICAN–NOT ON MY LIFE!!!!!!! EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Americans aren’t whiners, Republicans are–always wanting it their way. Jerks.

Senator Graham if you were worried about the children getting the debt, where were your righteous indignation at the huge deficits that Bush ran up. The stimulus package is one tenth the size of the debt Bush and you ran up.
Wat do you think will help the crisis, some more of your tax cuts that ran up the 6 trillion in national debt. The republican snake oil medicine for all ills.

TWO WARS!!!! OKAY IDIOT WAKE UP DO YOU NOT REMEMBER AIRPLANES HITTING THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS KILLIG INNOCENT AMERICANS. AND YOU SAY WE DO NOT NEED TO STAND UP TO TERRORISTS. WHAT THE HELL DO YOU STAND FOR? OH LET THEM ATTACK US ON AMERICAN SOIL AND WE DO NOT DO A DAMN THING!!!!!! WHAT THE HELL DO YOU BELIEVE IN.
US OBAMA ZOOMIES WILL FOLLOW OBAMA UNTIL HE BANKRUPTS THE NATION, AND TAKES OUR FREEDOM A WAY. GO AHEAD MR. OBAMA TURN AMERICA INTO A COMMUNIST COUNTRY. GO AHEAD AND TELL ME WHERE I CAN GET FOOD, MEDICINE, A CAR, A HOUSE, A LOAN. IT IS OKAY MR. OBAMA GO AHEAD AND SPEND TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND DESTROY THE CONSTITUTION OF UNITED STATES. EVERYTHING THAT OUR FOREFATHERS STOOD FOR, GO AHEAD AND GO TO PELOSI, AND REID. THEY WILL JUST GIVE YOU THE KEY TO THE VAULT. AMERICANS WILL NOT CARE ABOUT THE TAX MONEY THAT FICA TAKES OUT. IT IS OKAY RAPE FUTURE GENERATIONS OF AMERICANS, BY BORROWING BILLIONS FROM CHINA, UAE, AND JAPAN.

hey jewels,
it was republicans at the helm when 911 happened. your man Bush was supposed to be protecting our country but didn’t. Spin it all you want but there’s no way around it. BUSH DID NOT KEEP US SAFE! and if you had a brain you’d know about Bush and the Constitution and the selling of our country to China. guess you were asleep these past eight years. wake up and grow a brain!