Obama Celebrates Lincoln’s Bicentennial with ‘Special Gratitude’
ABC News’ Karen Travers reports:
President Obama’s admiration for Abraham Lincoln has been well-documented and today he kicked off the celebrations for Lincoln’s bicentennial at the Rotunda of the U.S. Capitol by noting his “special gratitude” for the nation’s 16th president.
“I can say that I feel a special gratitude to this singular figure who in so many ways made my own story possible –- and who in so many ways made America’s story possible,” Obama said.
Obama has channeled Lincoln many times since launching his presidential campaign from Lincoln’s hometown of Springfield, Ill., in 2007. In the lead-up to his inauguration, Obama traveled by rail to Washington as Lincoln did in 1861 and for his swearing-in on January 20, Obama used the same Bible that Lincoln used for his own oath.
This morning, Obama noted that it is fitting that a celebration for Lincoln’s birthday would take place in the Capitol building because it is a building that is “bound ever so closely to the times of this immortal president.”
The building was built in part by slaves and during the Civil War, Union soldiers were housed and treated there, and the construction of the iconic dome continued during the fighting. Obama spoke of how the workers who were building the dome wondered daily if the construction would halt and the metal would be used for bullets in the war. He said that when Lincoln was informed about the metal being used to finish the Capitol building his response was “short and clear: that is as it should be.”
“The American people needed to be reminded, he believed, that even in a time of war, the work would go on; that even when the nation itself was in doubt, its future was being secured; and that on that distant day, when the guns fell silent, a national capitol would stand, with a statue of freedom at its peak, as a symbol of unity in a land still mending its divisions,” the president said.
Obama spoke of Lincoln’s order at the end of the Civil War that no Confederate soldier was to be punished. Instead they were to be sent home to their families and their work. “That was the only way, Lincoln knew, to repair the rifts that had torn this country apart. It was the only way to begin the healing that our nation so desperately needed,” the president said.
Perhaps in a nod to the stimulus bill negotiations on Capitol Hill this week, President Obama noted that while the nation is “far less divided” than it was in the 1860s, lawmakers should remember that as they debate the critical issues of the day, “we are doing so as servants to the same flag, as representatives of the same people, and as stakeholders in a common future.”
Later tonight, President Obama will travel to Springfield to deliver remarks at the 102nd Abraham Lincoln Association annual banquet.
– Karen Travers

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I suppose we are “far less divided” if he means we aren’t shooting at each other…
Posted by: matt | February 12, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
“Obama used the same Bible that Lincoln used for his own oath.”
And nobody will EVER forget how THAT turned out.
As for “channeling Lincoln”, it’s ALL ham-handed cult-building: He’ll be channeling a black cat for Friday the 13th (tomorrow, when Porkulus again meets the House), Cupid on Sunday, the Easter Bunny on Easter.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 12, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
“Obama spoke of Lincoln’s order at the end of the Civil War that no Confederate soldier was to be punished.”
Right, right: instead, the ENTIRE South was — some would say “is” — punished.
(However, look for The Pup to invoke His cartoon of Lincoln when He refuses to examine the perfidies of the corporate puppet who immediately preceded His corporate puppetocracy.)
Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 12, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Human Intelligence, you actualy watched it. Come on man. We are gonna get the Hugo Chavez hour of power from the O. CBS reported last week The O is gonna do a Chris Berman, Prime Time,Prime Time. He’s already set it up we get The O this monday night then the following tuesday night.
Hey Jake could you get the updated TV schedule for his new program. All the other non broadcasting speech channels want to see how much advertising dollars they wont collect.
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Obama may also have channeled Nero! They have much in common. :(
I am an Independent, and I repeat: No one ever accused this guy of being wise – just arrogant, obfuscating and politically expedient! :(
Politicians love a crisis – real – or imagined – huge or pumped up!
And the democrats are using the economic downturn they created with their housing debacle to force more big brother programs down lazy, stupid, apathetic or panicked people’s throats! :(
Obama is just another manipulating, fear-mongering, lying politician attempting to keep the far left-wing happy while he enjoys the perks of the job! :(
Posted by: aware2u | February 12, 2009, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
“we get The O this monday night then the following tuesday night.”
Well, as we used to say in the sixties, “not me babe”. Hopefully there’ll be a “House” marathon for unbelievers who want to watch teevee.
I mostly follow The One’s ponderous pronouncements in print, being unwilling — like most, I suspect, by this time — to listen to His disjointed delivery.
When it’s in print, you can skip right over the endless pauses, the smirks and jaw-jutting, the Meryl Streep-worthy accent changes, and all that.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 12, 2009, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
aware2u, can’t forget Rahm. He says you never want to let a good crisis go to waste. In other words, might as well kick’em while they are down. Way to go Rahm. That gives new meanning to Rahmming the stimulus package down our throat
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
Obama should be praising Hugo Chavez instead. The parallels between the two are incredible. Obama (in praising Lincoln) should note that Lincoln stood for individual freedom, not for the removal of freedoms.
Posted by: Mihann | February 12, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Human Intelligence, I know me too. When he speaks it’s like he doesn’t know he won the election. He’s still on the campaign trail.
Hey I’m new here, but I have invited all my friends to join in here. When we crash a party we like to do it right, so we copy everything we post so we can repost it if they take it down. The People will be heard, word
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
This was my first election that I voted…and I did not vote for this. I knew enough to do my homework before I made a big decision like who would be in charge of our country. Why didn’t everyone else? What do we do now?
Posted by: young conservative | February 12, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
“to force more big brother programs down lazy, stupid, apathetic or panicked people’s throats! :( ”
If Democrats outside the mob-ridden “leadership” allow the federal government to hijack all the medical records in the country, in exchange for a one-time $250 “stimulus” for the middle-poor (those on Social Security), we might as well skip straight to the revolution, and save ourselves from listening to more blabla from the hijacked “Democrats”.
It’s uncanny. It’s nearly unbelievable. How can most of the press be going along with this crap without giving it the mockery and shoe-tossing that seem called for?
What about the POOR, for God’s sake? Are they supposed to live in the streets until they’ve eaten each other all up? It’s ludicrous.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 12, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Mihann, he does praise Chavez but ssshhh. The Obots would freak if they really knew the truth
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
aware2u: “And the democrats are using the economic downturn…”
Are you being paid to distribute “the buck stops… over there” talking points? You’re cutting and pasting the same thing in everywhere, regardless of whether it is even marginally applicable.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
young conservative, Young, google Rep. Paul Kanjorski of Pennsylvania c-span video,$700 billion bailout. When this happened Mccain-Palin had a +12% margin in the Polls. Mccain suspends his campaign and goes to Washington and it all fell into place for The O after that.
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Does anyone see anything worth celebrating? All this faux-patriotism is like some kind of sick joke. Lincoln supposedly freed the slaves; now Obama and the liberal democrats have made us all slaves to a debt which we’ll never be able to pay.
Oh, and George Washington was the greatest president ever. He’s the one to really celebrate, and to mourn that we have NO ONE that is even close to his stature in government today.
Posted by: JD | February 12, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
young conservative: “What do we do now?”
If your representatives are smart, like the three Republicans who cut $100 billion off the stimulus by agreeing to compromise, you accept a smaller role in government until the next election. Or you can whine and refuse to compromise your principles at all and be ignored – like the Republicans in the House. Those are pretty much your options.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
JD: “Does anyone see anything worth celebrating?”
You completely missed the symbolism of the Capitol being constructed during the Civil war, didn’t you? This recession will not end the United States. Hunkering down and waiting to die is not the answer, normal life should go on.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans.Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank Fed. Sav. Bank Fair Housing/Lending/Insurance
Docket / Court 94 C 4094 ( N.D. Ill. ) FH-IL-0011
State/Territory Illinois
OBAMA SAID IN 2007 THAT GIVING SUB-PRIME LOANS TO PEOPLE WHO COULDN’T AFFORD THEM WAS A GOOD IDEA!!!
“I’ve been fighting alongside ACORN on issues you care about my entire career. Even before I was an elected official, when I ran Project Vote voter registration drive in Illinois, ACORN was smack dab in the middle of it, and we appreciate your work.” — Barack Obama, Speech to ACORN, November 2007
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
“When he speaks it’s like he doesn’t know he won the election. He’s still on the campaign trail.”
Well, He’s campaigning for the NEXT General Election, but I doubt it’ll help.
Constant “campaign” posing also makes the Congress next to useless: rather than lose the corporate donations and freedom from oppositional scrutiny that might be excited by straight talk and principled political action, “our” representatives will smilingly down any “crap sandwich” they’re handed, eat the good parts, and pass the rest on to the uh citizenry.
This Porkulus is the fiscal equivalent of the Patriot Act. When the Congress “votes” on it, will they all turn out to sing, badly, on the Capitol steps? It’s an outrage beyond easy description.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 12, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
If only Lee had won at Gettysburg.
Posted by: Joe | February 12, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
There is no need for Patriots to wait for a full election cycle to replace corrupt public officials and take back YOUR government! Use the power of a Recall Petition.
It worked in 2003 in California to replace Grey Davis… except that it was a op to get Arnold Schwarzenegger in who otherwise couldn’t have gotten elected.
We can use this! Gather all the Patriots in your state, pick a town that’s corrupt. File legal residency, and start a recall petition. Usually, you have 90 days to get all the names.
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
jhw539- I have Mitch Daniels in charge of my state. I am willing to bet we will get thru this better than any other state. That being said, there are a LOT of people out there that are shocked at the mistake they made in November. From where I stand, I do not see enough people willing to just wait and see anymore. Anyone else getting that feeling about this new government?
Posted by: young conservative | February 12, 2009, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Today, my volunteer tried to serve the Pres. Obama the pleadings from Keyes v. Obama. The guard would not grant her entry to the White House, which is fine. But the guard wouldn’t sign for the pleadings either. But, it didn’t end there either. Either the guard or Secret Service threatened her also.
In the end, we had her serve Obama’s copy of the pleadings to the Justice Department. But wanted all to know the type of transparency we have here.
Representative Eric Swafford of Tennessee has agreed to be a Plaintiff in a legal action of Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ to demand that Barack Obama proves his eligibility.
Download a copy of Representative Swafford’s consent form and bring it to your representatives today and insist they join in this action.
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
bdaman :”Obama Sued Citibank Under CRA to Force it to Make Bad Loans.”
THAT IS A LIE. It is actually debunked as an urban legend over at snopes.com. The suit was about minority applicants having their loan applications rejected while white applicants WITH IDENTICAL FINANCIAL FINANCIAL CHARACTERISTICS AND HISTORIES received loans. Absolutely nothing about subprime loans or forcing them to grant loans to people unable to pay them back (unless you’re suggesting being black alone makes them a higher financial risk).
Do you care that you have to make up lies to support your opinions? Are there any truths at all behind your opinion, or just partisan cheerleading?
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
I think Obama thinks he is the next Lincoln, or at least the media does. What is this unnatural obession with Lincoln by this man?
Posted by: Lynette | February 12, 2009, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
“Mccain suspends his campaign and goes to Washington and it all fell into place for The O after that.”
Well, the REAL problem was Obama being handed the Democratic nomination.
There WAS a feeling of “fix” to the supposedly-sudden crash of the economy … which everybody who can read had been aware for at least a couple of years was bound to come.
If voters had been aware the “Obama” organization would take the hijacked Democrats so far RIGHT, they might have voted differently. Many did not vote at all.
It’s hard to believe even McCain, the post-partisan token opposition, could have done worse than Obama-Geithner-Gibbs.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 12, 2009, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
young conservative: “That being said, there are a LOT of people out there that are shocked at the mistake they made in November.”
Huh, none of the major polls – not one – supports that statement. Currently Obama’s approval rating is higher than even the historic percentage of the public who voted for him (a higher percentage than anyone except incumbent Reagan in 1984). If a lot of people who voted for him now consider it a mistake, an even larger of people who voted against him have come round to his side.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
jhw539 how bout look the case up instead of snopes dot com they have a picture of his birth certificate proving once and for all that theory
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
man you people are rough…what’s up, cant the guy not do anything right in your eyes….? really sad.
Posted by: indithinker | February 12, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Human Intelligence: “If voters had been aware the “Obama” organization would take the hijacked Democrats so far RIGHT, they might have voted differently. Many did not vote at all.”
Voter turnout was the highest in 40 years, and there is no precedence for the increase in Democratic registration seen during the campaign. I’m not sure how your statement above is in any way related to documented reality.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
jhw539 The fact of the matter is the first wave of foreclosures started with the poor white AND blacks that got loans they could not afford. The banks had they’re lending practices and the democrats helped level the playing field. The implosion started from the bottom up. Which last week The O said. I’ve always said change comes from the bottom up and not from the top down. It’s the one thing he said right in his first three weeks.
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
bdaman: “jhw539 how bout look the case up instead of snopes dot com they have a picture of his birth certificate”
I was referring your lie about Buycks-Roberson v. Citibank. The case is online if anyone wants to google it up and read through it themselves to verify Snopes more succinct summary.
And having proven to myself that you are a partisan liar, or just as likely a bored college kid trolling to see how many people they can annoy, I’m not going to bother with your tinfoil hat nonsense about Obama’s birth certificate.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
young conservative: “That being said, there are a LOT of people out there that are shocked at the mistake they made in November.”
Huh, none of the major polls – not one – supports that statement. Currently Obama’s approval rating is higher than even the historic percentage of the public who voted for him (a higher percentage than anyone except incumbent Reagan in 1984). If a lot of people who voted for him now consider it a mistake, an even larger of people who voted against him have come round to his side.
jhw539- I guess we will see in 4 years who had a more realistic point of view on the situation we have ALL found ourselves in. Best of luck in your life.
Posted by: young conservative | February 12, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
indithinker well do us all a favor and tell us what he has done right. lead by example
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Obama has this fantasy that he is the second coming of Lincoln, and seems to attempt to attach himself with his legacy whenever possible. If there were truly and corollaries between the two there would be no need for the fake theater he is practicing.
Posted by: Kharwick | February 12, 2009, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
young conservative it’s not where the numbers are, it’s where they were and how far they’ve dropped.
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
worker man – and if somebody calls you a racist you’d take exception to that I’m sure! So, in your mind if all slaves had been sent back, there wouldn’t be any of these problems. In your small warped mind, the only people who are to blame are black. Alllrighty then…sad fool!
Posted by: try the truth | February 12, 2009, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Lincoln:
“I say then I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, — that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
- Abraham Lincoln
September 18, 1858
During the Fourth Debate with Senator Stephan A. Douglas
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Not sure if I understand Obama’s fascination with Lincoln. Lincoln was a politician that did and said what he needed to to get elected. Actually Lincoln was a walking Contridiction in a lot of the things he said and did. A lot of internal problems going on in his own head.
I have nothing against the man, just don’t understand.
Posted by: ajax | February 12, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
jhw539 explain then why there have been over 50 lawsuits at the Federal Level with 5 reaching the supreme court. Why does he fight them instead of having Hawaii release the original certificate. Thats not openness and transperecy. Why has 5 retired military officers, 4 lawmakers from Tenn. joined the fight. Wait wait don’t tell me. All tin foil hatters
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
young conservative: “jhw539- I guess we will see in 4 years who had a more realistic point of view on the situation we have ALL found ourselves in. Best of luck in your life.”
? I’m not sure how that addresses my pointing out the fact that your rhetoric has no correlation with documented reality. I caught you lying so now you’re falling back on the wait and see argument?
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
ajax—he signed the emancipation proclamation! LBJ made similar remarks yet pushed the civil rights act through congress. people say things at certain points in their lives. people change. people who have hate in their hearts often eventually let love in to their hearts and that is how we end up with great leaders like Lincoln and LBJ.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
BHO was elected because an ignorant populace, that never bothered to vote in past elections, were told by “community organizers” that he would give them everything they could HOPE for.
As evidenced by the ones that thought they wouldn’t have to worry about gas, groceries, and mortgage payments any longer.
Posted by: worker man | February 12, 2009, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
bdaman: “explain then why there have been over 50 lawsuits at the Federal Level with 5 reaching the supreme court.”
YOU explain why the Supreme Court, more conservative than the one that gave Bush the election in 2000, has refused to hear any of them. Not one. Why every one has been dismissed. Why Obama’s birth announcement was in the Honolulu paper (how far back does this conspiracy go?). Why you think the government’s requirements for proving citizenship (the birth certificate he provided) are inadequate in this case.
I’m not surprised that Obama isn’t personally dealing with these frivolous lawsuits, I just wish our court system didn’t have to waste its time and resources with them either, but even the nuts deserve a day in court (before being, across the board, thrown out).
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
In the spirit of Lincoln. Let us put together a contingent of Army , Air Force, Navy, and Marines who have just finished small arms training.We will send them to Gitmo and start the trials of the terrorists.We must preserve the Union.In the wind today, a package was found outside of a Davenport, Iowa National Guard Armory. It’s contents overwhelmed a man and his condition not known at this time.How will you spin this one socialists or will it fall silent? It seems you’ve stimulated someone, that was fast.Is this a win for your team?Whats up democrats.In the spirit of Lincoln.
Posted by: Reflect08 | February 12, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
bdaman—still on the cittizenship issue, lol? and you are quite serious? in these suits he is not ther petitioner or the respondent in the case. cases which have made it to the Supreme Court quickly found space in D.C. recycling bins. no court takes these suits seriously. most of these courts dismiss the suits or the Supreme Court dismisses those that make it.
why so off topic?
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
worker man—speak for your own intelligence. McCain is brighter, lol?
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
dbdaman: “indithinker well do us all a favor and tell us what he has done right. lead by example” – - ok, how about keeping Bob Gates as Def Sec? that was pretty good idea…
Posted by: indithinker | February 12, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
? I’m not sure how that addresses my pointing out the fact that your rhetoric has no correlation with documented reality. I caught you lying so now you’re falling back on the wait and see argument?
jhw539- No. I am just not going to argue with you. The back and forth between people and the “I told you so” is ridiculous. If your guy is what he looks like he is going to be…then your thinking will be discredited. If he changes course and moves to govern from the middle, than my argument has more merit. Either way… we win. Again, best of luck in life.
Posted by: young conservative | February 12, 2009, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Lincoln believed in individual freedom.
Obama wants the government to control absolutely everything–making us dependent on him/them.
How can Obama be like Lincoln when he basically wants us to be slaves to him and the government?
BO isn’t like Lincoln.
Pick a dictator–any dictator.
Posted by: bailey | February 12, 2009, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Paul Wall They found the way to the bin because of standing not becuse of the merits of the case.
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Lincoln was a Republican.
Obama is no Lincoln. Obama is a Socialist.
Posted by: anonymous | February 12, 2009, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
wall–Did you know there were more slaves in the North then there were in the Confederacy?
The South was/is punished to this day by having New England liberals push agendas that don’t work outside of metropolitan areas.
The Confederacy was established to fight for state rights, meaning, they didn’t want Yankee liberals telling them how to run their states.
Something that continues to this day…
Posted by: worker man | February 12, 2009, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
In a speech written in 1858, Lincoln said:
“I will say, then, that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races—that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this, that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
Abraham Lincoln 1958
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I amazes me that Obama has so little knowledge of American history that he would not know that Lincoln was a racist.
Remember how racist America was just 40 years ago. Try to imagine how racist America was 160 years ago. Lincoln was a product of American 160 years ago. NOBODY wanted equality back then.
The reason Lincoln freed the slaves was to hold the Union together. It was a means to an end, not an end in itself. Lincoln said that if he could hold the Union together without freeing the slaves he would.
Obama and his followers say that if Lincoln were alive today he would be a Democrat. If Lincoln really were, his views would shock the most conservative among us.
Obama’s lack of knowledge of American history shows just how ignorant he–and his VERY belligerent followers are.
Posted by: marco | February 12, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
marco–BHO and his followers know nothing of Lincoln.
Only “dat he freed da slaves.”
Posted by: worker man | February 12, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
@Paul Wall, You NEED TO READ some History my friend. You are correct.. he freed the slaves, but it wasn’t because he had a change of heart!
Lincoln was determined to keep the UNION together and did what he had to TO DO IT!
Posted by: ajax | February 12, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
“Obama is no Lincoln. Obama is a Socialist.”
He’s no Lincoln, but he’s no socialist, either: what “Obama” is, is a corporatist — turn the Treasury over to the corporations, and the rest of the people, in theory, will be absorbed into the corporate plantation as happy er slaves.
The “jobs” in the Porkulus look to be mostly for PRESENT State bureaucrats and for construction companies (overwhelmingly white guys of a certain um profile).
Except for food stamps and a $250 ONE-time payment to those on Social Security, what is there in the Porkulus for the poor — especially the “urban” poor … ? More $ for police, one supposes.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 12, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Lincoln was a tyrant.
Posted by: William | February 12, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
“I might have to change according to what happens to me, but I never have to be reduced by it”(M.A.).Where one door closes another one opens, even if hell is in the hall.I’ve been to Africa and seen the destiny of so many of you had America’s 1700 and 1800s not occured.A past you did not live and a ball and chain you need not carry.Had it not been for you pointing out how different you were from me, I would have never known you were.How sad.
Posted by: Reflect08 | February 12, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Obam – The fantasizer – He’s not Lincoln, nor will he ever come close to
his status. Lincoln was a realist, who delt with 3000 casualities a day, and a hostile France in Mexico, waiting for the chance to take back a large section of the then USA. The slavery issue was an excuse , not a reason , for conducting a continued war everyone wanted ended. When the war ended , Lincoln was working on a relocation program for the blacks. How arrogant.
If it hadn’t been for this mother and his European American side, owing to his Daddy’s lack of concern and intrest
He would be fantasizing about an Esclade
with spinners.
Posted by: LL | February 12, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
JD—you are much more of a brown-shirt than i ever could be. i hold no reactionary views and i respect that you have the right to express your views as do i. that i don’t agree with you doesn’t mean i don’t think you have the right to say what you please. call Limbaugh and express an idea different than his and see how fast you are disconnected. or how fast O’Reily blows you off.
seriously if we met in person to discuss issues i think there would be a lot more civility. as for the outlets you mentioned, i have no idea of who they are or what views they represent. i don’t spend alot of time on liberal or conservative talk-show sights on the computer.
i just get the news from NPR and put in a cd.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
JD—and since when are people who believe in the civil rights of minorities racists? isn’t the opposite the case?
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
“i just get the news from NPR and put in a cd. ”
LOL. To most people, NPR, PBS are to the Liberals what FOX is to the Conservatives.
I for one, listen/read (to) ALL of them. ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS, NPR and read Congress.org and quite a few other sites. That is the only way you can put together what is going on. I listen to all of their Spin.. right/left… only way to get an idea of what the Truth “MAY” be.
Posted by: ajax | February 12, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
“i just get the news from NPR”
National Propaganda Radio’s somnolent tone simply bores listeners into submission to corporatism.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 12, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
This is sickening. Dishonest Abe violated the Constitution of this country. He suspended Habeus Corpus and forced this country into a war that was not necessary. I am glad he is dead.
Posted by: CatStevens | February 12, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
NPR, since you listen to it, ajax, presents the news. whaen they get off into talk i lose interest. they have many republican guests and treat them curteously and do not express hostile bias. i watch Fox News and respect them as a source of unbiased information.
it’s when people listen to Limbaugh or O’Reilly and consider that the news that makes me wonder. how does cutting off someone with another view and giving out ridiculous falsehoods become news?
i will agree that Diane Rehm is biased but she does have diversity of opinion on her show. but i don’t like how she cuts off people sometime and her hostility does show.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
This is not the time for negative comments. Can’t we all just get along and do what’s good for the Country. You all should try to channel your energy to something positive — I promise it will make you feel a lot better and less grumpy. I would go so far as to say try smelling — I can feel the frowns through your e-mails!
Posted by: Mrs. Deb | February 12, 2009, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
Human Intelligence—yeah you hold onto Rush for you “information.” don’t think for yourself, have your opinion told to you. Rush really knows how to impart fair unbiased news. most of NPR is funded by community members and charitable fundations.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Abraham Lincoln + George Bush = 2 War Criminals
Posted by: CatStevens | February 12, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
CatStevens,
OBAMA + ACORN + CLINTON (GREENSPAN)
= PERFECT 3 ECONOMY/FINANCIAL CRIMINALS
Posted by: AsianGOP | February 12, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
2 problems here;
One, Mr Lincoln invade another country illegally, The Confederate States were legally seperated from the Union for Economic reasons, Slavery was introduced half way through the war with the Emancipation Proclomation, which, by the way, only ended slavery in the Confederacy, NOT in the United States.
Two, Mr Lincoln was a Republican.
Posted by: MaverickAmerican | February 12, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
UUMMMM?
Has anybody noticed that while the auto companys were chastised for flying into washington on their little mini jets….
O’beyme is flying a monster sized jet “EVERYWHERE!!!!!!”
And are these trips IMPORTANT?…..He’s stumping for a stimulas bill????? That is already a foregone conclusion????
All you Obama supporters out there….Ya’ll need to tell your Hero there…it looks bad…..
But then…you listen to his words…instead of seeing what he does……Two different things there….
Ohhhh nevermind….I get it…gotta stay on TV….He’s an attention junkie, and will do whatever he can to make the news everyday….even if it destroys our country…..
Posted by: J Moore | February 12, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
First it was Bush hearing voices from God in his head and now we have Obama talking to dead people (Lincoln), I guess talking to dead people is more important than knowing what is in the bills he wants passed which he hasn’t read!
Posted by: CC | February 12, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
Marco, good post on Lincolns speech, just one correction. Lincoln was not racist, he had no hatred for the people. He was a segragrist, he did not care for the mixing of people in Society. But the point is pretty much the same.
Posted by: MaverickAmerican | February 12, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Thank you, Mrs. Deb. Well said. But there are some among us who are so convinced of the rightness of their bias that they can’t even get their historical facts straight. I, who have taught U.S. History to high school students many times, have never seen a text book that claims Lincoln forced war on this country. Yes, he did suspend habeas corpus, CatStevens, but only as an emergency, wartime measure to preserve the union.
Posted by: Kent | February 12, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Here is a glimpse of how two people think. Two men were asked how they thought history would see them.
Respondent #1 – “Fellow citizen, we cannot escape history, we of this Congress and Administration will be remembered in spite of ourselves. No personal significance, or insignificance, can spare one or another of us. The fiery trail though which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the latest generation.”
Respondent #2 – “History. We won’t know. We’ll all be dead.”
The two respondents are George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln. Here’s my question to you. Which man said which statement?
I’ll bet you a million dollars you got it right.
Send this to your friends and win a million dollars too!
Peace.
Posted by: tomdietrying | February 12, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
J Moore: “O’beyme is flying a monster sized jet “EVERYWHERE!!!!!!”"
The transport of the president is done using means requested by the Secret Service. And we are, still, the most powerful and wealthiest nation on the Earth. The treatment of our highest elected leader should reflect this.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Paul Wall, you say Lincoln had a change of heart? Then why did he not free slaves in the Union States that he was legally in charge of rather than in the Confederate States that he did not have Legal jurisdiction over? He did to gain support for the Union to keep the MONEY from the South flowing North. BTW, most Slave vessels ported in the Northern States and the slave tehn sold to the Souther Industries.
Posted by: MaverickAmerican | February 12, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
jhw539,
Obama is just wasting aeronautical gas in using Air Force One for campaigning for some bill he obviously have won handily…that’s what he meant….
Posted by: AsianGOP | February 12, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Paul Wall there is a reason why Fox News is numero uno in every category in the nielsen ratings.
They report we decide
Posted by: bdaman | February 12, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
well to be technical slavery existed de facto (not de jure) until 1965 (the civil rights act, voting rights act) and numerous Supreme Court decisions (brown v. board) and the abolishment of Jim Crow laws.
even in this day and age if slavery were legal it would certainly be practiced. one can argue that “white, all-american) businesses who hire undocumented workers and pay them below minimum wage are practicing a form of slavery. i see them every day waiting for (back-breaking) work. they are picked up, used, returned. some of the greatest americans call immigration as the work is finished to avoid paying anything and have the worker deported right off their lawns. no one complains that you can buy a nice house for $125,000. back east that would set you back a milli.
i live in the south and i swear allegiance to the american flag not the confederate flag. secession was not a legal act.
if you think the south was invaded illegally then bring suit
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
bdaman—the same reason there are more unedacated american then there are educated ones. don’t get me wrong Fox News rocks. the talk shows are trash. i mean Limbaugh (President and Director of the Limbaugh Institute of Advanced Conservative Studies) isn’t educated. he runs his mouth and people eat it up.
hate feels better than agreement.
plus these people (like O’Reily) say the most outrageous things that alot of people want to say but dare not express their thoughts in public for fear of ridicule.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
bdaman—and if FOX is #1, what does that mean? people gobble it up. i watch it just for the fun of it. and i do like the news. but the chats no good.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
“why Fox News is numero uno in every category in the nielsen ratings.
They report we decide”
Even by Fox News standards, yesterday was more embarrassing than most. In the morning, the Senate Republican Communications Center sent Fox News a press release, talking about how the economic stimulus bill grew over time. Shortly thereafter, Fox News’ Jon Scott was on the air talking about the package: “We thought we’d take a look back at the bill, how it was born, and how it grew, and grew, and grew.”
As it turns out, Fox News took the Republicans’ materials and aired it, word for word, without telling viewers that the “story” was a creation of Republican officials. It was so blatant, Fox News’ on-screen graphic included the identical typo made in the original GOP document, making it obvious that the network used a party press release as a news script.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 12, 2009, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
CatStevens—i never thought i would read in a post of yours in a million years that you thought abolishing habeas corpus was a bad thing. i guess it’s ok now, just not back then, lol?
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
“One, Mr Lincoln invade another country illegally, The Confederate States were legally seperated from the Union for Economic reasons, Slavery was introduced half way through the war with the Emancipation Proclomation, which, by the way, only ended slavery in the Confederacy, NOT in the United States.”
Ahh yes the Southern traitor lovers favorite lie that secession was about economic reasons and had nothing to do with slavery.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 12, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
wall–Day laborers CHOOSE to come here and perform “back breaking work.” In my younger years, I worked on a paint crew and was the only person that spoke English. While the work these men did was of quality, the CHOICE they made to do it was theirs. One guy had a degree in education and CHOOSE to illegally enter the U.S. to become a laborer.
Don’t try and call this a form of slavery.
Posted by: worker man | February 12, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Bush and Cheney ruined our economy and ruined our image worldwide. I bet Lincoln and all our other great Presidents were spinning in their graves over all the evil these two wrought on America! News flash: Faux News all lies,hate and Rightwing propaganda 24/7. Only the braindead could possibly watch the garbage spewed on Faux News.Watch a old Nazi propaganda newsreel and you see so many similarities to Faux News!
Posted by: AJ | February 12, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
Hey…..pretty cool what O’boss did to Hillary…One might say Brilliant…give her a ‘position’ then farmed out her job to everyone else…lol
He has basically put her in a box…[No TV coverage for you]…lol
The office of Sec of State means whatever the Prez wants it to mean….
Just because others in her position had certain foriegn policy dutys….does’nt mean this administration has to follow tradition…..
I’m thinking she got screwed….
bait and switch….
Bill also got screwed…he agreed to things he probably regrets now….
Obama’s a tricky one……….
Posted by: J Moore | February 12, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
@AJ,
I don’t live in the South. My ancesters were all in the Union Army.
You REALLY NEED to do some reading. AND, I don’t mean what they give you to read in our PUBLIC school System.
HERE ARE LINCOLN’s Words. It is FACT:
****
“I say then I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, — that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
- Abraham Lincoln
September 18, 1858
During the Fourth Debate with Senator Stephan A. Douglas
***********************
Judge for Yourself. Stop calling people names.
Posted by: ajax | February 12, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
BREAKING NEWS .. ….”Due to the recent economic crises, stock market crash, budget cuts,rising unemployment, unstable world conditions, outsourcing of business, the cost of insurance, electricity, petroleum and taxes of all kinds,we regret to advise you that the “Light at the End of the Tunnel” has been turned off.”lol
Posted by: CW | February 12, 2009, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
AsianGOP:”Wake up people!!! It was not the Republicans who got us into this mess. It was the liberal, socialist Dems who insisted poor people get mortgages… ACORN, Obama and Clinton(through Greenspan)”
Keep pushing that repressed, powerless, the-buck-stops-over-there Republican line. You can see how well it worked in 2008. Those half-truths and fabrications may make you feel better when you listen to them on the radio, but the typical voter is informed enough to vote based on reality and our government reflects that. It’ll be interesting to see what the Senate looks like in 2011, after the last of the Bush Senators (elected on his coattails) stand for election. Well, the ones who haven’t already announced retirement at the prospect that is.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
worker man—you are correct and i apologize. certainly these immigrants come willingly. but you show no concern that they are paid illegal wages. have you ever worked for below the minimun wage?
the sad thing is that even though these are voluntary workers they are abused. i can pay you $1,000 to beat me up but the cops will still arrest you.
neocons love to go on anti-immigrant pogroms and simultaneously employ illegal immigrants as maids, workers, etc. when i lived in El Paso, undocumented workers made up 60% of the economy. most border states can only exist with these workers.
if undocumented workers were remved from our nations a trillion dollar stimulus package would be ludicrously insufficient. it would at least ne triple that.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
ajax—read the emancipation proclamation.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
ajax: “Judge for Yourself. Stop calling people names.”
You’re judging Lincoln based on a single paragraph out of his enormous body of work. It may be wiser to look for the opinion of a contemporary critic of Lincoln:
“Abraham Lincoln was perhaps the greatest figure of the nineteenth century. Certainly of the five masters, Napoleon, Bismarck, Victoria, Browning and Lincoln, Lincoln is to me the most human and lovable. And I love him not because he was perfect but because he was not and yet triumphed. The world is full of illegitimate children. The world is full of folk whose taste was educated in the gutter. The world is full of people born hating and despising their fellows. To these I love to say: See this man. He was one of you and yet he became Abraham Lincoln… The difficulty is that ignorant folk and inexperienced try continually to paint humanity as all good or all evil.”
WEB Dubois, 1922
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution officially abolished and continues to prohibit slavery and involuntary servitude (1865)…that’s is Union and Confederate States. this is in the constitution. the neocon revisionist history that says slavery remained legal in the “North” and wrong and disingenuous.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Hopefully, that confederate flag flying around the state of capital of South Carolina will soon come down…..
What a shame for the tax payers of South Carolina to keep that flag flying…..it should be muesuem.
Posted by: t | February 12, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Any fool who still thinks that “The North Invaded a Sovereign Nation” needs to read a damn history book. The Southern traitors fired the first shots at Federal forces at Ft. Sumter – not the other way around. DUH.
Posted by: The South Sux | February 12, 2009, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Lincoln was the last good Republican. He would weep if he saw the kind of pathetic, loudmouth scum that make up the party today. LOL
Posted by: Frankenstien Steamroller | February 12, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
For Ajax, et al.:
Republicans in all eras have said what they had to to get elected. Democrats also. What sets Lincoln apart is that he evidently did not feel the need to “live down to” his campaign rhetoric!
That said, I think it is quite well documented that Lincoln was by no means a racial-equality ideologue: he did what he did out of a sense of necessity, allowing the extremely extenuating circumstances of his time to bring out the best aspects of his character rather than the worst. Lincoln had grave misgivings about emancipation – believing that it could not even be successful except if carried out gradually and over a period of a century or more. But Lincoln realized that the first step had to be taken, and that the Union would be lost if he did not take that step when he did.
On that basis, I think it is wholly fitting that our current President is – like Lincoln – a transplant to Illinois from another state… but an Illinoian nonetheless. Barack Obama is in some very real sense a fulfillment of a reality that Abraham Lincoln dared not even dream.
Let us all most sincerely hope and pray that President Obama may have all success in the years ahead, that he may be kept in all safety in the office that we have elected him to, and that his Presidency may go down in history as fulfilling the promise of Lincoln’s foreshortened life.
Posted by: Jordan | February 12, 2009, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Goodness, there sure are a lot of repubs spewing nonsensical hatred on here today…. You never learn do you.
Posted by: 1-Human | February 12, 2009, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Its amazing that dems love Lincoln, when his hands are filled w/ blood…. Thank God that Lincoln was up to a good fight so that Obama can be where he is at today. But today’s Dems want to play everything out through peace talks…had Lincoln played it out that way, Obama would be the butler today in the whitehouse instead of the president…I see no one complaining about the blood that was shed for that war….and just as the blacks deserved their freedom, so did the Iraqis and their dictator needed to be taken out. Bush gave them the same freedom Lincoln gave African Americans….
Posted by: annette | February 12, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
O and everyone else who has compared him to Lincoln should be ashamed of themselves. O is a fake, he will never get near the status of Lincoln. The Southern Army was smaller and poorly equipped yet they almost kept their own sovereign country.
Posted by: dilligaf | February 12, 2009, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
dilligaf: “The Southern Army was smaller and poorly equipped yet they almost kept their own sovereign country.”
If only they had won the US would have two third world nations on it’s Southern border, lower unemployment, higher productivity (GDP/person), a lower divorce rate, and lower taxes (or higher services). But we have to live in the world as it is.
Posted by: jhw539 | February 12, 2009, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
A 3rd world nation? We are almost that now. After O manipulates the census and gives more electoral votes and rep’s to the blue states and decreases red states his vision of a communist/socialist obamanation will be complete. His status as czar will be obtained, in his mind. Liberals repent before its too late!
BTW my last post was censured. Thats the future under O.
Posted by: dilligaf | February 12, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
jhw539;
I don’t judge Abraham Lincoln one way or another. I posted his speech and asked a question.. which I have seen several answers to. Some good, some bad.
My point was, Abe said what he had to say to get elected.
The last post I made, was not to make Lincoln look bad, but in response to another post.
Posted by: ajax | February 12, 2009, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Republican Sen. Judd Gregg withdrew his nomination to become President Obama’s commerce secretary on Thursday, citing “irresolvable conflicts” over issues like the economic stimulus package and the Census.
Gregg is a honorable man! Not a yes man! He can see thru the O smoke.
Posted by: dilligaf | February 12, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Does Obama know that Abe Lincoln was a straight-up racist????
Posted by: Ted | February 12, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
“The Southern Army was smaller and poorly equipped yet they almost kept their own sovereign country.” … Is that sort of like the concept of al Qaeda’s “sovereign territory” in lower Manhattan? I believe that Fort Sumter was the WTC of the Civil War, and the first shot was NOT fired by the Union troops defending that fort! Granting the unlawfully-rebellious Confederacy posthumous “sovereign” status seems rather disingenuous to me!
Posted by: Jordan | February 12, 2009, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
@Paul Wall,
I did. Most people do not know that the Emancipation Proclamation was in 2 parts.
1. Freed all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863.
2. issued January 1, 1863, named the specific states where it applied.
So, in the first.. If a Confederate State had of rejoined the UNION, they would have got to keep their Slaves. It was ONLY AFTER none of them came back that he issued the second part!!!
Plus, the North have gotten rid of slaves, but the influx of Blacks into the North competing for jobs did not make the North too happy. Plus, conscription into the Union Army Caused a serious ass riot and I think Union Ships hit New York City from Cannon fire.
Posted by: ajax | February 12, 2009, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
The Southern Army was smaller and poorly equipped yet they almost kept their own sovereign country.” Boy! That statement struck a nerve with some of you yankee liberals, didn’t it? The Confederacy never asked for “sovereign” status they took it. They fired the first shots in defense of tyranny. The South, its not a place, its an attitude.
Posted by: dilligaf | February 12, 2009, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
“The Confederacy never asked for “sovereign” status they took it. They fired the first shots in defense of tyranny.”
I agree.
Posted by: Ryan C | February 12, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
dilligaf – “al Qaeda: it’s not terrorism, it’s an attitude.” Some “attitudes” are beneath even contempt.
Posted by: Jordan | February 12, 2009, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
‘…in defense of tyranny.” – too funny!
Posted by: Jordan | February 12, 2009, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
to all the secessionists and Confederate resurrectionsists: i am a US citizen living in the south all my life. i would request safe passage to the United States, north of wherever your handful of states is.
but you will lose all US military. and many nations including the United States will not trade with you because of your policies on human rights. the US will probably consider your pathetic attempts at trade with Hugo Chavez, Iran and N Korea as “palling around with terrorists” and promptly halted. maybe an embargo, but hey you will have Cuba to trade with.
the confederacy is dead. please leave it buried. tell the grandkids about it at a bbq with old dixie flying but let’s leave it at that.
we have survived as one nation for so long. if you want to live in the confederacy take it south of Mexico.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
thanks for the history lesson ajax, but just read the thirteenth amendment—it makes things quite clear.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
and if republicans dont like it why dont we let the wild and crazy far right republicans all move to texas and alaska let the form there own country and leave us americans alone.
Posted by: T | February 12, 2009, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
T, i agree with you. i’m willing to leave the land of Cornyn (Texas) but i hope you will accept me under political asylum laws. cone the Old South returns i won’t have a chance. when the fangs really come out i would like to come far north.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
paul wall we will protect you..what republicans dont know is that 90% of democrats are the working back bone of america with out us they will starve.
Posted by: T | February 12, 2009, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Paul Wall, the Souths beliefs on rights? Gee, look at the history of law in Mass. for an example. 2 years AFTER the War for Southern independance was over they had a law making it legal to beat a free perosn of color who was in the state for more than two days. I guess Mass was relocated from the south? I am not from the South by the way, I was born in Conn. but you are a hypocrit who believes the lies that are fed to you. And by the way, since the Republicans are so bad, you better return fire by insulting Mr Lincoln becayse he too was a Republican.
Posted by: Maverick American | February 12, 2009, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
well we don’t need to have a civil war on the blog. the war is over. either you think Lincoln was a great and seminal leader critical to the preservation of our nation or you don’t. let it go.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
thanks, T. i know i am supporting alot of unemployed white people here in Texas.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
paul wall we will protect you..what republicans dont know is that 90% of democrats are the working back bone of america with out us they will starve.
T – And I guess the Republicans are only the rich? Gee, Bill and Hillary Clinton, multimillionaires. John Kerry, Multi Millionaire, just keep going down the list. And I know a large number of Repulican voters who work their rears off daily or out looking for jobs. Your political shill blindness, just like the die hard Republicans is what will be the downfall of the country, it is happening now and will continue until the people come together as Americans and not blind sheep to the Party leaders…
Posted by: Maverick American | February 12, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Maverick American—that i did not know about the law you mention doesn’t mean i’m a hipocrit, i just didn’t know. federal law trumps state law. we all live by the constitution, no matter what state we live in (except Alaska maybe). the thirteenth amendment is the law of the land and has been since 1865. “better return fire”? what’s that all about? the kind of republican that Lincoln was are rare, most moved to the Democratic Party.
not all republicans are racists and ignorant, but you couldn’t tell that reading this blog or listening to Limbaugh.
if the civil war was today which party would be for the emancipation of the slaves. if you say the republicans i will laugh in your face. most get so angry about racial equality they get red and go home and yell racial epithets. don’t make the republican party the party it was in 1865, nobody’s buying that.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Paul, I am not saying you are hypocrit for not knowing the law, just believing that just because a Republican syas something it is bad and a Democrat meands good. And the original basis for the United States was that the Federal Government was to be in support of the States. After the war the NORTHERN leaders made changes that centralized the power to the Federal Government, Located in the North. And if you research it they took most of the equal representation rights away from their Southern counterparts. I am in no way advocating that we change everything to accomodate the past, but people need to realize that what little is taught in the schools is dictated by what the Union wanted to be allowed published. Just look at the textbooks, they are all published in Philly and New York. I did not claim you to be a hypocrit just to push buttons, but to point out that from what I see of your post, you take everything Liberal Left Democrat as Holy and the rest are just a bunch of stupid idiots. In fact Both Partys are corrupt. Some pf the members my have good intentions, but the Partys are going to comlplete our ruination.
Posted by: Maverick American | February 12, 2009, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
maveraick–there is rich democrats didnt say that
Posted by: T | February 12, 2009, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
Maverick American—i don’t doubt your historic analysis. the question of the nation’s founding is fascinating. when the American Revolution began the U.S. didn’t exist. we were a dependent colony of Great Britain and subjects of British law. i’m sure Washington (and the rest of the founding fathers) would have been considered terrorists. so i guess one nations’s heroes and founding fathers is another’s terrorists. thank God we had the “terrorists” (revolutionaries) that we did. that was the beginning of the end of Great Britain’s empire. colonies started dropping like flies and freedom begab to spread. ironic though that Great Britain made slavery illegal in many places before the United States. but they continued cruel practices on aboriginal people in the Carribean and India, Africa.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
T – but you make it sound that way that all Republicans are Fat Cats. Truth is, currently, the two worst peopel in DC rioght now are Reid and Pelosi. I am in no means saying the the Republicans there are all good, but those two are going gaurantee our spiral into the Abyss.
Posted by: Maverick American | February 12, 2009, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Paul, and yet as the British out lawed slves, they shipped them to the US. And, it was actually a couple of “Confederate” states that were among the first to start suggesting an end to Slavery. Unfortunately, the real troubling thing about the Confederate Battle Flag, is not as much the war, but the groups, and individuals, that continued to use it afterwards and furthered the ideas that the war was all about slavery. But if you live there I am sure if you look around you will find Blacks who still fly it too. In fact a former leader of the NAACP actually made a 3 or 4 state walk in defense of keeping it on one of the state flags. I guess the whole thing to this article boils down to the fact that people make a hero out of Linciln even though he was not AS great as he is made out to be, not that was not a great leader, just not quite what everyone wants to believe from the school books.
Posted by: Maverick American | February 12, 2009, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm
Maverick American—”what I see of your post, you take everything Liberal Left Democrat as Holy and the rest are just a bunch of stupid idiots.”
you are right and i apologize. my emotions get the best of me sometime. i am sorry i came across so partisan and condescending.
i really try to respect people’s views. the internet is impersonal and cold and i think if we were having a conversation in person things would be different.
but i don’t believe everything the democrats are doing is great. i think the left-most of the party needs to be willing to make some conssions. i voted for the president but i did not voye for Pelosi or Reid, since they are not my representatives. and i think some things they do embarass democrats. it’s insulting and i don’t like how many democrats act.
i am a leftist by nature, my heart led me there and i won’t apologize for that. in fact i’m very proud of that.
but i do apologize for my tone and condescending words. i want to be a better man and that begins with an apology. i am sorry Maverick American. to you and anyone else i may have offended.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
I think Obama actually is beginning to think he is Lincoln reincarnated. His arrogance has no limits.
Posted by: usr102 | February 12, 2009, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
i wish we had more parties like in the UK and most of the western democracies. that would require so much more coalition building and compromise. this two party system with one always blaming the other is pitting American against American. why not have a labor party, a green party, a conservative party, a socialist party? conservatives and socialists could work together on some issues and greens could compromise with conservatives. people like Limbaugh and Spector would be in different parties. the more divisive a party was the less it would be involved in coalition building. anything beats this endless two party fighting. it’s just ping-pong—one year it’s the democrats the next it’s the republicans.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
usr102—i, in no way am implying you are a racists and i know you are not alone in your view of Obama as “arrogant.” it is repeated all the time and people believed it. President Bush always walked with his chest out and proud of who he was. no one called him “arrogant.” i think if Obama were white no one would call him “arrogant”, just he is the president and rightly proud of who he is. but when an African-American man acts proud of himself and has high self-esteem he is labelled “arrogant.” i don’t know, maybe just something to think about.
Posted by: Paul Wall | February 12, 2009, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
OK we know Obama can talk the talk, but can he walk the walk – No one knows – but it doesn’t look good for him. With people like pelosi and reid running the show such as it is. He is up against it – The republicans don’t have to do a thing – the pelosi, reid and franks will kill him taking away his chance to make real history. Yes he as made history being the first black man to be elected president – but what kind of president will he be? My hope is that he doesn’t let these fools take away his history they are so substandard they can only hurt him no matter what they say – they are losers all.
I pray I am wrong – but what do you think?
Posted by: a citizen | February 12, 2009, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
Since you asked “a citizen” I think you are a blithering idiot who is an even bigger idiot than the one by all indications you voted for twice.
Posted by: Kabindra | February 12, 2009, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm
Even CNN spent all afternoon gushing over the Obama-Lincoln comparisons. Personally, after watching that FLA Town Hall meeting & the Cat plant speech, I think Obama is more like Xerxes in “300″, when the king speaks to the hunchback. “I will give you everything you desire…… You will see that I am kind”.
Posted by: Interested08 | February 13, 2009, 12:50 am 12:50 am
J Moor – I agree! He’s flying all over the place, and it’s apparent he has a NEED to be on TV every day…..
I think he misses the campaign. That’s all he did for 2 years, non stop. That was his JOB – to run for president. Now that he has the job, someone needs to wean him away from the road show.
Posted by: Interested08 | February 13, 2009, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Sorry, Barack. You just don’t measure up.
Posted by: Mihann | February 13, 2009, 4:55 am 4:55 am
President Obama is doing the best he can considering he’s fighting a group of old white men who think they should run the country. Obama respects President Lincoln for the man Lincoln was and how he stayed true to the course no matter what was going on. Obama is going to have to do the same thing if he’s going to get this country out of the mess the Bush, Cheney and the congress put us in.
The president has been traveling because he wants the everyday people to know, he hasn’t forgotten them since he won.
I wish everyone was as dedicated and committed to the majority of us as the President is, we’d certainly be a better country for it.
Posted by: give me a break | February 13, 2009, 8:10 am 8:10 am
As obama recently blasphemed and mocked specific scriptures in the Bible, spouting that “Americans had obviously not read the Bible,” perhaps he should have studied American history. He clearly is not aware (or refuses to admit) that Lincoln did NOT want to abolish slavery, and in fact, owned slaves.
Ignorance Surpassed Only By Ego, but did a great job as snake oil salesman!
Posted by: No Compromise | February 13, 2009, 8:23 am 8:23 am
but we are divided. true, there is no civil war but one can still see the confederate flag flying in many places. on top of that, we are a nation that celebrates many foreign holidays, events, fly foreign flags. we have chinatowns and other ethnic communities. still divided but the nation manages and it has nothing to do with lincoln. obama should really thank palin for his winning the election. if mccain had picked someone else, obama would not be a sitting potus.
Posted by: Lawrence | February 13, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Divided? Well…I guess you’d say that. There are those who work for a living and pay taxes. And, there are those who are too lazy to work and take our tax money. So, I guess you can say we are divided. But, not divided enough according to Obama since he wants to take more from those who work, and give it to people like Henrietta The Lazy in Florida.
Posted by: Mike | February 13, 2009, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
Abraham Licoln was a Republican,
Mr President! You can’t steal him.
Your Party, the Democrats have their
heroes, George Wallace, Lestor Maddox,
and last but not Least, Senator
Robert C Byrd of West Virginia, Former
KKK Member.
Those who lived through the 1960′s
know this other generations have been
brainwashed into believing that the
Democrats have always favored equal rights!
It’s time for the Democrat Party to
apologise to all African Americans for the suppression and hatred exhibited
by their Party toward the civil rights
movement in the 1960′s!
Posted by: reaganfan | February 13, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
The air headed progressive democrats and the equally dumb-headed news media sources need to quit trying to tie Obama and Lincoln together.They are as different as night and day.Obama is a far left wing radical and Lincoln most certainly was not.Obama is a socialist leaning toward Marxism and again Lincoln was not.You can not compare apples to oranges.
Posted by: syzito | February 13, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
The South’s secession was based on the principles expressed in the Declaration of Independance. Lincoln was a war criminal responsible for 620,000 deaths and many more mulitated for life. As President, he sat in the capital building while black slaves constructed the dome.
Posted by: TruthSpeaker | February 13, 2009, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
One of the posters indicated his belief that Lincoln owned slaves and did not want to free the slaves. The latter comment I know to be incorrect. Lincoln was willing to tolerate slavery if it would have saved the Union but he detested the institution of slavery; also, to my knowledge Lincoln did not own slaves. His wife’s family were slave owners.
Another poster made the comment that the Democratic Party( not Democrat Party unless one also says the Republic Party)was the party that opposed civil rights for persons of color. This is somewhat correct. Southern Democrats certainly opposed the civil rights movement and almost certainly one of the reasons that the once “Solid South” of the Democratic Party switched to the Republican Party is the passage of the Civil Rights bill of 1964 spearheaded by Lyndon Baines Johnson.
Incidentally, I am a southern white woman, a sixth generation Mississippian and descendant of slave owners and seven Confederate soldiers(all four great grandfathers and three great-great grandfathers). They did believe secession was legal as another poster indicated but they also fought to preserve the institution of slavery and not just for the rights in the Declaration of Independence. His forebears may have had more pristine motives.
Posted by: mcghillemaol | February 13, 2009, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Odd for our biracial President who pretends to want to mend fences and bring a nation together, would ever use the word “servant” in any of his dialogue. Maybe he wants a nation divided, maybe he and Rev Wright believe the same things.
Posted by: Deborah | February 14, 2009, 12:40 am 12:40 am
Obama isn’t Lincoln. He isn’t a cheap politician. He’s going to cost this country a fortune.
Posted by: Silver | February 14, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
I don’t see stimuli’s bill for economy growth. I just see government help low income family, which is what government does always anyway.
Posted by: Jock | February 14, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Isn’t this Obama-Lincoln charade a bit contrived?
What does Barack Obama possibly have to do with Abe Lincoln? The comparison of one of America’s greatest to an inexperienced, unaccomplished man with NO political courage whatsoever is simply ludicrous.
Lincoln was a self-made and self-educated Republican of principle; Obama is a spoiled and privledged Ivy-League leftist with no principles beyond getting himself elected to the next-higher office.
What’s the connection, that they’re both from Illinois, or something? That they’re tall?
This staged self-flattery has the fake feel of a Hollywood product placement, like when you seen Brad Pitt drinking a Pepsi with the label turned towards the camera.
Give it up, Barack – you’re no Lincoln, never will be.
Posted by: Reaganite Republican | February 15, 2009, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm