Obama Hits the Road Next Week to Sell Stimulus Package
ABC News’ Jake Tapper, Sunlen Miller and Karen Travers report:
Next week President Obama will hit the road –- campaign style –- to sell the economic stimulus package.
The president will hold a town hall meeting in Elkhart, Indiana on Monday and in Fort Myers, Florida on Tuesday.
During today’s White House briefing, Press Secretary Robert Gibbs noted that each city is a prime example of the impact of the dire economy, citing numbers that last year in Elkhart alone, unemployment rates went from 4.7 percent to 15.3 percent, and in Fort Myers from 6 percent last year to 10 percent this year.
"I think the president looks forward to getting out of town for a few hours and talk directly with people that are affected," Gibbs said, “Given today’s numbers its important to go directly to where people are hurting and discuss directly with them the price of inaction and what he thinks we can do to put people back to work and invest long-term.”
While Obama did win Indiana and Florida, the areas he’s traveling to next week went overwhelmingly for Sen. John McCain –- he did not win a single county in either district on election day.
Both districts are represented by Republicans — Mark Souder in Indiana and Connie Mack in Ft Myers.
Are President Obama’s pointed trips a possible twofer — to target these members who were on board with the Republican stimulus bill in addition to speaking to Americans?
Gibbs shot down this notion. “This is not designed specifically to cajole any member of Congress," he said. "It’s an effort by the president to talk to the American about what’s at stake.”
Next weeks’ trips will mark the first time Obama will speak directly to the American people in a town hall setting since becoming president.
“Sounds like the good ol’ days, doesn’t it,” Gibbs quipped of the president who is acting an awful lot like a campaigner these days.
– Jake Tapper, Karen Travers, and Sunlen Miller

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I think the President should pick a differnt hill to climb than one manned by bitter clingy folks in Indiana and Ft Meyers.
Posted by: smith | February 6, 2009, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
“Sounds like the good ol’ days, doesn’t it,” Gibbs quipped of the president who is acting an awful lot like a campaigner these days.
Riding around on airplanes and playing campaign is sooo exhilarating. What’s He campaigning FOR … to STAY uh president?
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Very good move Mr. President go and inform the public. Republicans who kept quiet in spending in Iraq, now are raising their voices to spend on people!
Posted by: Rosie | February 6, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
I guess Obama will just have to accept the fact that he is President, not Emperor.
media induced pres………
Posted by: Anon | February 6, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
It’s odd the way the lack of Republican house votes bugs him so much. His bill passed the house. He did not need those votes.
Has Obama done anything to reach out to people who are having success these days, to find out what they are doing right?
Is he at all interested in finding out what leads them to success in difficult times?
Posted by: MayBee | February 6, 2009, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
Obama says: You *will* be bipartisan and vote for my bill, Repubicans, or I will go after your seats.
Posted by: MayBee | February 6, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
“Obama says: You *will* be bipartisan and vote for my bill, Repubicans, or I will go after your seats.”
The seats He’s really going after are those of the Democrats — watch them lose the Congress next year, and the White House in 2012. So much for identity politics.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Obama is not getting it done in Washington as President so I guess he must go back to his element as a campaigner & speaker. I would tell Mr. President to stay In Washing ton & do the job you were elected to do.
Posted by: John | February 6, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
It took Bush 8 years of mismanagement to get us into this mess. Obama hasn’t been President yet for a month and he is getting slammed by everyone for not turning things around – yet?!!! Come on people, get real. Of course, the Republicans are going to be obstructionists. That’s who they are, so we expect that. They would never, ever, ever allow something good to pass that wasn’t sponsored by them, fully supported by them and introduced under a Republican administration. They don’t care if we go further down the toilet, cause that would make them happy. “U.S. sinks into deep depression – under Obama’s Watch!!!” Great bunch of Americans – NOT. They want to give their leader Limbaugh his wish and hope Obama fails.
By the way, why do all Republicans look like they are constipated??
Posted by: geecee | February 6, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
What took Obama so long to revert back to campaign mode and fight back against the Republicans? It’s clear that the public is looking for guidance from the president on the stimulus – and, not getting anything but rhetoric, has decided to buy the GOP rants instead.
Obama’s being swiftboated even after he’s in the White House.
Posted by: matt | February 6, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
I have a perfect stimulus idea that helps all of the people, states & government. Anyway to get it to Mr President?
Posted by: jONATHON F | February 6, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
“”I think the president looks forward to getting out of town for a few hours and talk directly with people that are affected,”
WHAT THE HELL
He just started work and he is already going back on the campaign trail.
Posted by: BertieW | February 6, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
“I would tell Mr. President to stay In Washing ton & do the job you were elected to do.”
The Puppet ascended to the corporate uber-WASP lifestyle — arrivals! departures! itineraries! meet, greet and go-go-go! — and now He can’t shake it.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
He is going to have a hard time selling them. The voters don’t like his stimulus package. He has already broken promise and lied to the America people.
Posted by: anonymous | February 6, 2009, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
“I did the math. 1.2 trillion dollar bill, 3 million jobs, is $923,997 for each job.” John Mccain
Obama must be on crack if he expects the American public to believe that this tax payer rape called a stimulus package is all about jobs.
Posted by: verner | February 6, 2009, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
He does have a ‘lack’ of leadership.
Posted by: anonymous | February 6, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Gibbs shot down this notion. “This is not designed specifically to cajole any member of Congress,” he said. “It’s an effort by the president to talk to the American about what’s at stake.”
cough cough bs cough cough
Posted by: smith | February 6, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
“By the way, why do all Republicans look like they are constipated??”
Because they have to constantly deal with Infantile Liberal Mindsets.
…Also, since we haven’t heard a Biden Gaff recently has Obama ‘Constipated his Mouth’.
Posted by: I can’t hear Biden from my house, at the moment | February 6, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
“cough cough bs cough cough”
Sooner or later, it’ll become clear that His fall started with that Lincoln Bible business, and the blowing of the oath. Now, He doesn’t want to stay in the White House …
It. is. spooky.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
“we haven’t heard a Biden Gaff recently”
Nooo … not since he alluded to the blowing-the-oath business. It’s an ill wind: maybe we’ll never hear from Biden again, except when he’s swearing in the apparatchiks.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
“I can’t hear Biden from my house, at the moment.”
Just give him time………..
Posted by: Anon | February 6, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
OH GREAT IDEA SO NOW WERE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR HES SECURITY.AREN’T WE SUPPOSE TO BE SAVING MONEY NOT WASTING IT?OH SORRY THESE IDIOTS ARE PRETTY GOOD AT IT. MR.PRESIDENT STAY IN WASHINGTON AND DO YOUR JOB.GUESS HE THOUGHT HE WAS JUST GOING TO GLIDE EVERYTHING RIGHT THROUGH.LEARNING ONTHE JOB IS TUFF. I EVEN KNEW HE WAS GOING TO GET SOME TUFF FIGHTS WAKE-UP CALL
Posted by: natale from mass. | February 6, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
At least hes not running off to another country, At A time our Country is in crisis like the former Clown who called himself President.Hes going out to talk to the American people.
Posted by: Angie | February 6, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
One good way to assure a mostly NEW Congress next year might be for INDEPENDENT candidates to campaign on impeaching The Puppet, taxing the rich, disallowing corporate this and that, repealing the Patriot Act, and cancelling the war on t-t-terrorism …
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
“At least hes not running off to another country … ”
Just. wait. And then there’s … Hawaii.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
LE PRINCE
Last I checked Hawaii is a state
Posted by: Angie | February 6, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Campaigning is the ONLY THING this man is any good at doing!!
That’s just great – our President sure can deliver a speech and campaign, but when it comes to actually GOVERNING….
forget about it!
He is CLUELESS.
If the bill is a good bill, there would be no need to do such a hard sell.
Posted by: christopher | February 6, 2009, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
“we haven’t heard a Biden Gaff recently”
from your mouth to G-d’s ear!
He had an awesome one at the multimillion dollar invitation-only private resort stimulus meeting.
From Yuval Levin:
“I think my favorite moment in Vice President Biden’s characteristically peculiar performance before the House Democrats’ retreat this morning is when, having traipsed absent-mindedly into a discussion of his concern about the deficit, he seems suddenly to realize that he’s talking to a group that just voted to vastly increase the deficit, and the shifting of gears almost breaks the transmission:
‘ Anybody remember a time when we’re talking about, if we don’t make some real changes, deficits that are a trillion two hundred billion dollars a year for as far as the eye can see, if we don’t, ah, get it right, which you guys have already?’
”
Almost breaks the transmission is right. He backtracks in the same sentence!
He also said this today:
“The president and I were talking about something yesterday in the Oval Office — which, to the press here, I’ll not suggest what it was — but the response was to the folks that were in the office with us — was, you know, if we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, we stand up there and we make really tough decisions, there’s still a 30-percent chance we’re going to get it wrong. “
Posted by: BertieW | February 6, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
I think the vast majority of Republicans aren’t against the stimulus package because it might fail. I think they are against it because it might be successful. If it fails they can always point to Democrats as the reason next election and say I told you so. If it is successful then Obama and Democrats are successful they would get credited making it tougher to get elected. Aside from the handful of Republicans trying to things out I think they are simply playing politics. Meanwhile, people continue to suffer. Shameful behaviour. I thought we were done with this when GWB left.
Posted by: indy_voter | February 6, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
I think the vast majority of Republicans aren’t against the stimulus package because it might fail. I think they are against it because it might be successful. If it fails they can always point to Democrats as the reason next election and say I told you so. If it is successful then Obama and Democrats are successful they would get credited making it tougher to get elected. Aside from the handful of Republicans trying to things out I think they are simply playing politics. Meanwhile, people continue to suffer. Shameful behaviour. I thought we were done with this when GWB left.
Posted by: indy_voter | February 6, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
No one listens in Washington so he has to go beg us to “please listen to me” help me to convince these guys to vote for this monelius bill. The folks I made all those promises to are getting restless for their money.
Most of this bill will be effective when it is time for his re-election, then he will look really good for a second term.
Posted by: Mildred | February 6, 2009, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
If you are looking to pick a fight, I believe Barry’s Indonesia school records are real.
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Now that’s really suspect. He actually lived out of the country in a Muslim culture and speaks some Indonesian. I’ve spent time, too, in the Muslim and Moorish areas in the South of Spain. I know that makes me suspect for terrorist ties, too, along with my frequent gulps of Kos Koolaid. If you’re going to bring up the Madras schooling, Fox had to retract on that close to a year ago.
MUSLIM, MADRAS SCHOOL, MESSIAH, BIRTH CERTIFICATE, KOOLAID, CHICAGO, OPRAH, ARETHA FRANKLIN’S HAT……..
Someone should turn the mantras into song.
Posted by: kathy | February 6, 2009, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
“so he has to go beg us to “please listen to me” help me to convince these guys to vote for this monelius bill.”
A “charismatic leader” going around a weak legislature to the “people” is how fascism usually gets started.
Fortunately, The Puppet isn’t actually a charismatic leader: he just plays one on teevee, with a teleprompter and other people’s words.
Also fortunately, enough ordinary Americans — not to mention Senator Feinstein — have enough of a grasp of “separation of powers” to resist.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Well what can President Obama expect? He didn’t actually think that the Republicons would want to make any investment in our country, did he?
I think we have learned that Republicans will let their grandmothers starve rather than take any money out of their own pockets. The party of Greed Over People.
Posted by: Truth Matters | February 6, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Is Obama against the USA?
The Stock markets were up, the housing market is moving, and State monitored banks are healthy.
How does Hussein in a plane going to change the minds of fed up taxpayers who want to give no more?
NPD seems to be the problem for Obama.
Posted by: woman citizen | February 6, 2009, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
“He didn’t actually think that the Republicons would want to make any investment in our country, did he?”
What He PROBABLY thought — because it worked on the corporate media guys when the game was Him versus a female who is also a Clinton — is that Republicans and independent Democrats (in Congress and elsewhere) would continue to be struck dumb by his “it’s in my DNA/so do as I say” play.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
The biggest discovery for me has been to learn that the Kennedy Bay of Pigs worry was a sham.
Obama signed off on Cuba, so they signed on to be occupied by Russia, and instantly Latin America followed.
Have we heard word one about it over the bailout scam?
No.
Kennedy’s lie had American’s scared of Russia in Cuba for nothing according to the actions and response by Obama.
Mr. Biden
Please take the reigns away from this NPD sufferer and save us.
Welcome aboard President Biden.
Posted by: woman citizen | February 6, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
“If you are looking to pick a fight, I believe Barry’s Indonesia school records are real.
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Now that’s really suspect. He actually lived out of the country in a Muslim culture and speaks some Indonesian. I’ve spent time, too, in the Muslim and Moorish areas in the South of Spain. I know that makes me suspect for terrorist ties, too, along with my frequent gulps of Kos Koolaid. If you’re going to bring up the Madras schooling, Fox had to retract on that close to a year ago. ”
You really know your candidate. I am going to bring up his Catholic school records where his religion is marked as “Muslim” and people remember him running off to the call to prayer after school.
Not a big deal except he lies about it and says that he was never a Muslim. It seems probably that he was a practicing Muslim as a child when he was in his step-father’s house.
Posted by: BertieW | February 6, 2009, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Come to Texas Obama! Hard working American’s are going to get us out of this mess not manipulating spend crazy politicians such as yourself.
PS You’re honeymoon is over!
Posted by: amy | February 6, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
Excuse me….Your honeymoon is over!
Posted by: amy | February 6, 2009, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
The Obamination is having a chilling effect.
These are dangerous, naive, arrogant people.
Posted by: Maura | February 6, 2009, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
The Obamination is having a chilling effect.
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So is that why Kentucky and a sizable portion of the country got hit with snowstorms about 10 days or so ago?
Posted by: kathy | February 6, 2009, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
Mr. Prez and Speaker Pelosi both need to listen to the people who understand how much $1 Trillion is—it’s spending $1 Million per day for the next 2500 years!! Stop calling it “Stimulus”–it is “pay-off PORK.”
Posted by: loveliberty | February 6, 2009, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
I hope Senator Feinstein holds the line on this foolishness. None of this crap — except for bailing out the states’ payments to the poor — is going to make a bit of difference to most people.
The Puppet talks about “independent economists”. There’s no such THING as an “independent” economist.
He’s all hat, no head. “Modernizing our healthcare”? Millions would settle for seeing a REAL doctor, for something besides being thrown pharmaceuticals.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Remember that The Puppet was also in “emergency” mode when He voted for the Patriot Act, and for the Bush banks’ bailout …
The only greater urgency NOW is that His will and ego are involved … after all, isn’t He hitting the road for Indiana?
The Obama Drama’s become farce. A very over-STAGED farce.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
So waste more tax dollars taking a field trip to “sell” it to us, the tax payers. What a joke.
Does this man not recognize the FACT that most of America doesn’t want this pork bill of fat. So take a trip to try to convince us it is worthy. Keep your snake oil.
Then to top it off, you are going on a date night wasting more money. You can’t find anything to do in that house???? For the love of God, what did we elect a stupid teletubby or something.
How’s that approval rating treating you lately? Any trends???
Posted by: Switched 2 wks in | February 6, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
“I hope Senator Feinstein holds the line on this foolishness. None of this crap — except for bailing out the states’ payments to the poor — is going to make a bit of difference to most people.”
Apparently there is a deal to cut out $140B and bring the pig roast to $780B.
I wonder if this will upset The O since he was only concerned about the size of the thing, not its content.
BTW- Pelosi is ######. Lol
Posted by: BertieW | February 6, 2009, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
“BTW- Pelosi is ######.”
Taken the whips out of her briefcase, has she? Nothing a case of pinot won’t cure, one supposes.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
“So … Obama’s “getting” SOME bill, but nobody’s saying what it is?”
Pretty much. Carl Levin is “hopeful” that the cuts can be added back in in the House Conference.
The over all vote is an odd situation because Gregg has disqualified himself and Kennedy is out. Not sure about Colemans status but I doubt he is part of this congress.
I *think* they need 60 to pass but it could be 60% of the quorum.
But keep hope alive! There is a chance that a GOPer will ask hat teh bill be read to the floor before voting which is their right. Since there is no actual copy of the bill thats impossible.
Posted by: BertieW | February 6, 2009, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
“Since there is no actual copy of the bill … ”
Uh … sure, why not? I can’t believe Senator Feinstein is voting for an invisible bazillion-dollar something. In fact, I DON’T believe it, but that’s what the “news” claims.
Sure seems like SOMEbody should make em read all eight hundred pages of it … and maybe send around some security police to make sure everybody WATCHES ‘em read it.
Teevee says there WILL be another Kennedy visitation. Maybe he’ll bring the Lincoln Bible, and sing a little song or something, all of them with laurel wreaths in their hair.
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
obama is fit to campaign not to govern!
Sad situation, is this what we voted for a on-going campaigner?
Posted by: frieda | February 6, 2009, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
I love how people are like there is no stimulative effect in this bill. How about:
-Highway and mass transit construction (construction workers, engineers, and manufacturers)
-Research money for science and engineering (scientists and engineers)
-Money for “green” jobs (factory workers and engineers)
-Money to digitize patient records (IT, doctors, health care workers, and software engineers)
-Educational money, both in K-12 and pell grants for college (teachers and professors)
-Tax cuts for businesses that create jobs
-Tax cuts for middle income people in the range of $500-1,000
I think some of the people posting here have been listening to too much Limbaugh. He did provide some laughs though when he made that Republican Congressman cry and run like a punk for criticizing him though.
Posted by: sean | February 6, 2009, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm
“Teevee says there WILL be another Kennedy visitation. Maybe he’ll bring the Lincoln Bible, and sing a little song or something, all of them with laurel wreaths in their hair.”
Apparently so. They are dragging him up from Florida for a vote.
They only have two Republican votes (how to you ask a man to be the last one to vote for pork), and apparently the package is now *larger* even though they cut out $140B.
Posted by: BertieW | February 6, 2009, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
“obama is fit to campaign not to govern!”
Why are these geniuses saying NOTHING about those who are ALREADY poor — including many elderly and disabled who aren’t Kennedys?
The trouble with “stimulating” the system as it stands is — as the bank bailouts demonstrate — rotten to the core … HUD, Social Security. (And “medical records” … an invitation to identity thieves and, for those who still own ANYthing, real-estate hustlers.)
But nooo … go top-down, with a lot of mind-numbing baloney from Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. That’ll be SURE to work, THIS time.
Trouble is, the marginal millions are about to get pushed by NEW poor … and to venture into more survival crimes in an effort NOT to be homeless, starving, and whatnot. (Why are we NOT hearing about the House bill on housing the displaced on military bases? Is THAT the best they can do for “green” public housing? … oh yeah: Katrina … it IS the best they can do: poison peanut butter and poison trailers — for which somebody gets paid puhlenty — for the poor, along with a hefty police-state push against young black men. It’ll be neat.)
Posted by: Dr. Zhivago | February 6, 2009, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm
It’s amazing that the Republicans are acting this way which is not helping at all. Just like our previous president, Bush all he did was help the rich & businesses instead of the working class. The Republicans have no idea what it like out here in the real world with all the jobs disappearing by the thousands everyday, 650K just in 1 week. Experienced professionals willing to take below minimum wage jobs, getting help from welfare, unemployment and losing everything families, homes and especially any pride that they had before. The Republicans don’t want to spend $1 billion for Census which has completed their hiring quota of over 3,000 jobs in only a few weeks in the state of Colorado after it was published everywhere. You can’t say that this isn’t going to help. The Replublicans want each state to take care of their own and that isn’t even possible when almost each one is cutting necessary programs and running out of money to pay for welfare and unemployement, etc. We need to give our new president, Obama some credit and work with him on this.
I remember working for a company,HP back in the day when the pay cuts started at the top just so that everyone can keep their jobs. All companies are worry about anymore is that $ and being greedy just for themselves instead of taking care of the employees. How about our top officials, CEO’s, etc. take a pay cut for at least one day to help others. Maybe all this fund raising during the elections can be done now to help out our nation to get out of this mess.
PAY IT FORWARD by starting at the top.
Posted by: kitten | February 6, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
“The Republicans don’t want to spend $1 billion for Census which has completed their hiring quota of over 3,000 jobs in only a few weeks in the state of Colorado after it was published everywhere.”
Don’t look now, but the “post-partisan” Puppet is trying to install REPUBLICAN Senator Gregg — a crochety old thingt who once tried to do away with the Commerce Department — as Commerce Secretary. The Department of Commerce controls … the census.
Posted by: Dr. Zhivago | February 6, 2009, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
All that blabla and sooo many millions of dollars to get The Puppet INTO the White House, and now he hardly sleeps there. (The raccoons? Strange, mocking voices from The Lincoln Bedroom?)
from Politico:
“The first family heads to Camp David for the first time on Saturday. The Obamas will stay overnight and return on Sunday.
On Monday and Tuesday, Obama is slated to travel to Indiana and Florida for town hall meetings on the economic stimulus package slowly making its way through Congress.
On Thursday, he flies to Springfield, Ill. For an Abraham Lincoln celebration. And then on Friday, the Obama family will return to Chicago for the first time since moving to DC shortly after the new year.”
Posted by: Le Petit Prince | February 6, 2009, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
This should be an interesting week or two. He has the votes and, interestingly, the American people lack the support. You have to hand it to him for going out to sell it. Let’s be clear: Obama can both sell and close the deal. It will be interesting to see how he does when he is in front of people who may not be polite about the parameters of this bill. Thew other thing I am starting to notice about this President is that he talks a good game on reaching across the aisle but he seems to be a lot more interested in singing to the choir. That stands to reason – it is a lot easier to talk to guys that already agree with you. Like amy said, “come on down to Texas” we might have a thing or two to ask the President about this Bill (since he is in a chatty mood and all).
Posted by: Lone Star Rules | February 7, 2009, 8:01 am 8:01 am
I wonder where all these fiscal conservatives were for the past 8 years?
They didn’t seem to have any complaints over for Dubya’s trillion dollar deficit.
Posted by: Mike C | February 7, 2009, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm