Obama Signs SCHIP

Welcome to Amerika!

Bad deal for tax payers.

“and which President Bush vetoed last year.”
Twice.
Bush ultimately signed a bill that extended the act itself but did not expand the program.

“I guess the is the “Change” you people voted for.”
Yup.
Obama campaigned on this(actually all the Democrats did) and now has delivered.

Yay……NOT!

Bravo!! Finally a president who puts the welfare of PEOPLE over that of corporate fat cats.

This is not an objective report. It doesn’t tell us any facts about the bill, or why critics opposed the bill.
All it does is rebroadcast Obama’s spin, word for word.
This is nothing but a puff piece.

RECORD OPPORTUNITY
In the past it’s been difficult for the uninsured, especially children, to receive quality ongoing and follow-up healthcare because there was no previous record of their condition or treatments. Valuable time was wasted gathering basic information, and in some cases essential health histories have been lost. The lack of continuity in treating the uninsured is one of the big problems facing our health system. This SCHIP extension will potentially insure 4 million children, making portable electronic health records more important than ever.

He’s a great man, I’d much rather my tax money go for kid’s healthcare than Wall Street. Keep fighting the Good fight Obama. The rich hate this any money diverted to the poor and middle class is less they get.

If the government would just fine halliburton for fraud. They could insure everyone.

Can anyone in favor of this bill state why it is a good idea for children previously covered by private health insurance to now be covered by government insurance?
I can’t speak for everyone who opposes this bill, but this is the primary reason I oppose this bill (not because I’m a cold-hearted capitalist).
There are better ways to address the needs of uninsured children.

well this Schip should put a lot of people out of work….me for one. I guess the upside is me kids will have medical insurance. OH wait they already did. Hope I keep my job thanks Mr President

“I think you meant “rationed” not rationalized.”
No, I meant rationized. The government will pre-determine what treatments the sick will receive. This is different from “rationed” which implies who will get what and how much (but healthcare will also be “rationed” as well).
It’s not here yet, but it’s coming.

“Can anyone in favor of this bill state why it is a good idea for children previously covered by private health insurance to now be covered by government insurance?”
Well I seek a single payer system and I see your fear as a desired consequence.
Hell take Kucinich’s bill which puts government insurance in direct competition with private insurance. Public insurance wins based on lower overhead costs to healthcare dollars spent.
“There are better ways to address the needs of uninsured children.”
Name them.

“Of course all of these lives being saved will be offset by the extra deaths from small cars with less sheet metal because of the CAFE changes that Obama is allowing.”
The NAS committee could not come to agreement on the question of safety and fuel economy. Some panel members dissented from the conclusion that past fuel economy improvements have had a negative impact on safety. They cite several problems with the majority analysis. The majority findings are further predicated on the assertion that past data can be used to evaluate current and future safety implications. However, it is clear that the cars and trucks of today are not the same as those from 10-20 years ago—and those differences drastically influence the nature of accidents today. Since the release of the panel’s report, several studies have shown that increasing weight is bad for highway safety. These studies cast further doubt on the theory of fuel economy having negative safety impacts.
UCS and the Center for Auto Safety, in both Building a Better SUV and Drilling in Detroit, demonstrate that fuel economy can be improved while actually improving safety. First, both the NAS and the American Council for an Energy Efficient Economy conclude that large fuel economy gains are achievable simply through technical modifications that do not affect vehicle safety in any way. Second, if there is serious concern about the fact that over 40,000 people die on U.S. highways every year, then a significant focus should be placed on the most important factor, vehicle design—safety standards should be tightened to require better technology to avoid crashes and better protect occupants when crashes do happen. Third, even if weight were to be taken out of vehicles, high-strength materials that have superior crash safety performance can be used and vehicle size, a more important safety factor, can be maintained. Finally, reducing the weight disparity between heavy vehicles and light vehicles can actually improve safety of the overall fleet.

Oh my, the forces of Fear and Greed are out in force! We just have so much better things to spend our money on than insuring unprotected children, and if we do it will lead us to communism? -Totalitarian socialism?
This was a purely democratic process. The Democrats won fair and square and now will legally implement their agenda. None of us are the least bit afraid that our democracy is threatened at all by this.

“However, it is clear that the cars and trucks of today are not the same as those from 10-20 years ago—and those differences drastically influence the nature of accidents today.”
No no no. Because at this point you arent going to be introducing airbags and ABS brakes. The A/B comparison is between cars that will have the same safety features.
If we are talking about companies trying to drastically increase CAFE, while incidentally not pricing themselves out of the market, they will do it by reducing weight, eg the amount of steel, in a car.
Hence more deaths.

Wow … most of you people probably don’t have any kids and if you do and are wealthy enough to pay for their insurance … GOOD FOR YOU …
It is over $300 to cover my son on my insurance and that is about a 4th of my check and being a single mom that makes it VERY difficult …
What if you were the one in need … I bet you’d be happy as a gosh darn clam that this bill took affect … What if you lost your job tomorrow and not only had to pay for your insurance but for that of your child or children for that matter … what would you do then?
Probably talk crap about Obama and what he didn’t do for Healthcare … you people are never happy …

tjp12:
“I want what he’s smokin”
You should write for Saturday Night Live.
I almost choked on my sandwich because I was laughing so hard.

Next step will be chip implants!

So does this mean I can/should stop paying the $972 a month on Cobra for my 4 kids on Cobra?

Da da da dum dum dum dum, de de dum, so-cial-is-m here we come…come on now; let’s have a giving our country away singalong!
Q. What is the definition of a socialist? A. A lazy communist.
All of the smokers should file a massive lawsuit, claiming that their civil rights have been violated, and they are being singled out, and discriminated against…hello, ACLUUUUHOOOO…WHERE ARE YOU?
Hmmm…no answer. They must not be at home right now.
Hey, I’ve got it! We will call PETA! I am CERTAIN that some animals were mistreated somewhere along the line of this sad story!
Yuk…all of a sudden, I don’t feel so good…I think I will go see my doctor…hey, where is my national health care?

…”computerizing all of America’s medical records, which won’t …just eliminate inefficiencies, won’t just save billions of dollars and create tens of thousands of jobs, but it will save lives by reducing deadly medical errors.”
Puleez. Anyone who’s actually dealt with “health care computerization” knows the jobs this creates will be IT departments, who will shrug their shoulders when the system goes down AGAIN.
And…AND…everything is STILL printed out and kept as “hard file.” Unless you want to knock someone over getting to a computer, log them out, log yourself in, (thanks to HIPAA, which wasn’t meant to be the bloated monster the government made it), or wait for a computer to boot up, then look up info, you need the “old fashioned” information in an emergency.
Efficiency is in the eye of the profiter.

“If we are talking about companies trying to drastically increase CAFE, while incidentally not pricing themselves out of the market, they will do it by reducing weight, eg the amount of steel, in a car.”
This is hilarious, right wingers are ###### about children getting health care no matter how many die but draw a line in the sand when it comes raising fuel economy standards that may (or may not) increase traffic fatalities.
Bertie, just curious would you support a return to the 55 mph speed limit on interstates as it has been shown to improve fuel economy and save lives.

The majority of the American people are stupid, self-absorbed, and greedy. This plan was implemented in Hawaii for approximately 6 months before it went bankrupt. The reason why? Parents were opting out of their work medical plans to save money. Hellllllllooooooo…..is anyone paying attention? I didn’t think so.

We are at the precipice of socialism. It will only take a slight nudge to catapult our once great country into the chasm, where in the darkness, the groping masses scream for more and more from a government considered omniscient to all their needs. It’ll be worse than 1984, worse than can be imagined. The land of Socialism is a mere hairbreadth away from that point of no return, that veritable hell on earth- COMMUNISM! The tentacles of pernicious communism will have seized our once America the Beautiful, now rendered to Amerika of the Dark Forces. But the liberals, steadfast in their childlike view of the world, are blinded by their idealism. They will be the complicit ones of the ONE. It may be too late for the apocalypse awaiting us. We should pay heed to the wiser, prescient voices among us.

“But the liberals, steadfast in their childlike view of the world, are blinded by their idealism.”
No, we’re just not scared of your baloney.

“The SCHIP law is a great idea, to bad it is going against Obama’s campaign promise of not taxing the lower income. The tax on RYO (roll your own) tobacco was increased from $1/lb to $24.62/lb.”
Which translates to about a 90 cents per pack (assuming 20 cigarettes) in total fed tax.
“The new weighting of taxes on RYO tobacco and lessening of tax on cigars is estimated to cause the loss of jobs for 117k people.”
Taxes went up on cigars.
Where did you get the job loss figures?

“I was contrasting all the hypothetical lives saved that the Big O is taking credit for with all lives that inadvertently be cost. Sorry if that is uncomfortable for you.”
Not really uncomfortable for me as I am having fun pointing out that your “concern” for people’s lives always has to do with corporate profit.

President Barack Obama ride-on i’m with you….Let all the haters keep fighting shadows we’re heading to better tomorrow with a lot hopes ahead.

“The goverment has no money to pay for this.
Posted by: James Villa ”
Yes, healthy children who have a good education is horribly expensive and counterproductive for a country. It’s a better investment to house people in prison who get free healthcare. Don’t help the kids who haven’t committed a crime. Your tax dollars are only meant for criminals.

“When will people realize that nothing is for free. We will pay one way or another……. Rest assured the bill will come due.
Posted by: Katrina”
Exactly.
What I’ve seen is right wingers think spending any money on unaborted children who haven’t committed a crime is a bad thing. At the same time, they are more than happy to spend unlimited funds on putting people into prison. There is a link between the two.

This is good to rebuild america’s health care system.
Expanding childrens health coverage for 4 million more children-giving a total of 11 million of our precious
american children Health Care !
After years and years of gross neglect
this is very refreshing !
THIS IS GOOD INDEED!!

“When will people realize that nothing is for free. We will pay one way or another……. Rest assured the bill will come due.
Posted by: Katrina”
Exactly.
What I’ve seen is right wingers think spending any money on unaborted children who haven’t committed a crime is a bad thing. At the same time, they are more than happy to spend unlimited funds on putting people into prison. There is a link between the two.
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any compassionate person can see the need for children to have care but it should be in the free market. Parents shoudl be given a tax credit to rest assured that these services are given to tax paying citizens.
Can you name one govt office that is run fabulously. People talk about Wall Street being corrupt and they are correct. I also knwo that 1/3 of my check goes to the govt and they have perpetually done a poor job at handling our hard earned money. Let me keep MY money to place it where I choose.

“Let me keep MY money to place it where I choose.”
That’s just the problem. Given the choice right-wingers will do just that- Keep it!

I am one of those parents that Obama has been talking about, worrying about something happening to my kids, wondering if I should push off my children’s doctor checkups, etc. Until recently my husband and I were both working, paying our mortgage, health insurance and other bills. Life was good. All this changed with the economic meltdown. We both lost our jobs and are unable to pay our health insurance bill – $525 for a couple plan on the Healthy NY program. Our 4 kids were on the Child Health Plus Program at $15 a month per child – $60 total per month, and we would have managed to scrape that together for our kids’ sake. But the problem is that we no longer qualify for the Child Health Plus program because we need to show proof of income, which we don’t have now. We applied for Medicaid but there’s a waiting time to get your appointment with them, then another waiting period to be covered and so on. I just found a part time job and my husband is looking for a job as well, but they are not easy to come by these days… So in the meantime, we are all uninsured, hopefully not for much longer….

Typical liberal, tax and spend.

“It is almost unbelievable how some people would actually leave children uninsured. Like the diabetic child in Vermont or cancer stricken 5 year old, both unable to receive necessary care. But then again I forgot we have a Republican Party in this country.
Posted by: Newsrook”
I suggest you reread my previous post. Do you really think we don’t want to insure our kids? Of course we do. We are trying very hard. But sometimes, all this red tape leaves you hanging in the middle… Why do I need to show to the Child Health Plus program that I have income? I have been a legal US citizen all my life, but I just lost my job, so I don’t have any income now – just living off savings. If I am ready to pay my premiums, why deny my kids health care? Why should it bother them that I lost my job and add insult to injury???

Government that had the power to give you everything, also has the power to take it away
Thomas Jefferson

My civil rights have been assaulted and my pocket book will be affected roughly $800/year. I’m a single parent of two boys with no child support or government help. Recently laid-off, things look that much worse to me now. This will not help my family. Being honest, I will find another way to fund my habit of 30 years.
With the taxes going from $1/lb to $24.62/lb on RYO tobacco will primarily affect the lower income an average of $12/wk. Not to mention the estimated loss of 117k jobs. Until recently the taxes were weighted on the tobacco consumed by the wealthier class, cigars.
Thank you Government of United States of America for making my road of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness more difficult for me.

Ryan C
Does that apply to ACORN too because I don’t want my money to them either..
The fact is we need to know where our money is going. That is not an unreasonable request.

Tell that to the children of Hawaii who are now in a bankrupt healthcare system.

Tim,
Your point is well taken but you don’t offer a solution to where the money is going to come from.
This goverment has proven it has no ability to manage money or programs sucessfully. But only offers excuses for failure through partisen politics.

“My civil rights have been assaulted and my pocket book will be affected roughly $800/year. I’m a single parent of two boys with no child support or government help. Recently laid-off, things look that much worse to me now. This will not help my family. Being honest, I will find another way to fund my habit of 30 years.”
Or better yet quit since you have two boys and no job.

I am very happy. Thank you President Obama! Caring for kids.
All you naysayers: The democrats won fair and square. (more than I can say for the Bush regime!) It is what the MAJORITY of Americans want.

Congratulations, Obama & Democrats, on screwing the people of this nation.
On the surface, your socialist medical program sounds great: expanding medical coverage to tens of thousands of children. Looking deeper, however, your program is anything but great.
You do not merely allow, but in fact require, all children within certain income ranges to be covered by your program. This is important to understand because it allows you to force parents to accept any and all “medical treatments” you deem appropriate – regardless of the numerous objections parents have had (and will continue to have) against your experimental vaccines and other procedures.
Furthermore, by doing this you have insured than an entire generation of children will grow up under such coverage – coming into adulthood expecting the government to pay for all(and decide what is appropriate) medical treatment. That will undoubtedly make it far easier for you to abolish the quality of healthcare this nation has long enjoyed and relegate us to the lack of quality common throughout the third world.
To add insult to injury, you have intentionally left your program open to use by illegal aliens. In a day and age where America is sick of illegals, you have so kindly turned your back on the American people and provided the people we don’t want here with yet another free ride which will encourage even more to come here and ruin our society.
Then, as the icing on the cake, you have decided to finance all of this not with your own pocketbooks or even that of the wealthy, but instead at the expense of the poorest of the poor. You are raising taxes by another $6.10 per carton on name-brand cigarettes. You are increasing the tax on smokeless tobacco products by 165%. You are increasing taxes on cigars – even the cheapest of the cheap to ridiculous levels, and you have single-handedly doubled the cost of roll tobacco – which is smoked by those who cannot even afford to pay for real cigarettes.
(And aren’t you the one who told us you’d never raise taxes on anyone earning less than $250,000 per year? Apparently, you can’t keep your word on even the barest of your promises, Mr. Obama.)

Will somebody put de-republicanization in a comdey skit? That would be hillarious. You know have some folks who vote against their best interests without knowing on there? Like a Joe the plumber mom with no job and 2 kids who is against SCHIP because she heard from Limbaugh or her southern baptist pastor that its socialist?

KDURHAM1968,
Great post.

It’s smoke and mirrors yet again.
Force loss of choice by increasing taxes on it by 2138.0% and claim it is going to help the ones it will affect the most.

“Smoking related illness costs taxpayers tens of billion to say nothing of the lives lost to those illnesses.
It is in the interest of society to reduce this habit.
Given the failure of prohibition, making the habit an expensive one has been shown to get more people to quit and stop people from starting.”
Gee, what about senseless driving? How about alcohol? Why aim the tax burden towards the goods consumed by lower class?

Stop blaming parties!!!! Poor politicians on both sides are corrupt. That is a fact. People need to focus on the future. Blaming Republicans is just pathetic. The Dems are in power now and if they mess it up worse then who will we blame?
The fact is they mishandle our money, feed us bull and expect us to do nothing about it. How is it wrong to question how our tax money is handled? Anyone to not quesetion how our money your money is spent is a fool. Then again a fool and their money soon part ways.

Thank you President Dork – basically this sends a message to HAVE ALL THE BRATS you want .. don’t use protection – and the guy across the street who goes to work everyday will pay for it! We’ll sit home and watch The View! What a wondeful message to send to our youth – the guys a fraud!!

Gov’t BUDGET??? Is that something like – ahhhh we spend what we want. They (taxpayers) will keep paying it………..
We’re slaves to the plutocracy of the US. Gov’t and Rich are in bed together and they won’t be happy till 1% of population has 100% of money.

“Gee, what about senseless driving? How about alcohol? Why aim the tax burden towards the goods consumed by lower class?”
I agree that so called sin taxes have a larger direct impact on the lower classes because the upper classes more easily absorb the cost but the goal of those sin taxes also has more of a direct impact on the lower classes.
At some point the cost of smoking is weighed vs the cost of other items needed and many decide that quitting is the best option.

“If they reduce this habit, how are they going to pay for all these new liberal goodies being financed from it?”
If you reduce the habit, you reduce the costs of smoking related illness.
If tobacco taxes become insufficient to pay for SCHIP, they will just have to find a different revenue stream.

This bill will also encourage more illegals to cross the border. Oh good.

Well if this doesn’t promote morality I don’t know what does – SIGH!!

“While the law in question does not explicitly provide for a determination of what medical treatment is appropriate, it most definitely does so implicitly.”
Oh so its a secret….
“The courts have already determined that as long as the government is paying for the treatment, parents may not refuse the treatment on behalf of their children.”
Name the case.
“As for the WHO and its evaluations – a socialist organization hardly provides an objective viewpoint. Nevertheless, even if we were to accept the WHO’s viewpoint, that would make us 37th out of almost 200 seperate sovereign nations in this world – far from the bottom of the pack as you seem to want to imply.”
Ummm we’re 37th. You implied we were by far the best in the world.
“Moreover, as anyone from nations like Canada, the UK, France, and others who already have your socialized programs can attest – US healthcare far exceeds their own.”
Except it doesn’t. Also you are comparing 3 very different healthcare systems in how they operate. I know its easier when Rush tells you they’re all socialist (in fact that seems to be your go to answer for fact inconvenient to your bs) but there are some difference.
“we do not wait days to weeks for basic medical care like those socialist nations do.”
Business Week, no great fan of a national healthcare system, reported in late June that “as several surveys and numerous anecdotes show, waiting times in the U.S. are often as bad or worse as those in other industrialized nations — despite the fact that the U.S. spends considerably more per capita on health care than any other country.”
“In fact, numerous individuals from those nations have foregone the medical care in their homeland in favor of medical care here in the states because of the exceptional quality we have.”
Wow numerous individuals. I love argument by anecdote. It always show a bankruptcy of the idea.
“As for the exclusion of illegals you refer to, open your eytes and read a bit more… That exclusion only applies to those who can positively have been determined to have been in the United States for more than five years.”
You are not eligible for the program unless you are a citizen or legal resident.
But hey the right wing loves to beat up on hispanics so I get it. And given how they went 2 to 1 to Democrats and are the fastest growing demographic, who am I to stop a right winger from digging their electoral grave.

SOCIALISIM1O1
You have a good point, it will be expensive.

“You’re going to scare them using the ‘S’ word Ryan.”
Scare them?
After watching avid defenses of torture then reactions of horror at insurance programs for children, they scare ME.

Correction: Would you like to see gasoline taxes increased over 2000% to fund cleaner air?

Liberals are happy that we are going down the path towards Socialism!!!!!!!!!!

Finally, thank you Obama for putting MY tax dollars toward good use, rather than sending more pork to the military-industrial complex. Finally, i am at least happy my money is going to constructive things!
Next on the agenda: Slash military pork, slash unecearry nation/empire-building/dictator bribe money. Stop giving expensive military aid and weaponry to forign countries; retool our energy sector and help put America back on the Map – as leader in education, health care, and prosperity.
After 8 years of Republican banana-country rule, Obama is finally putting us on the right path again!
All these ‘socialism’ type comments are completely ignorant!!! You wanna stop socialism?? Stop the immoral bailout of banking fat cats; stop the socialization of losses, but the privatization of profits, and stop the military pork spending!!

According to Michael F. Cannon, director of health-policy studies at the Cato Institute, a free-market think tank, the new law includes kids in families of four earning up to $80,000 per year. But the Congressional Budget Office reports that 77 percent of such children already have private health insurance.
It also discourages work.
According to The Urban Institute:
“A single mother of two earning minimum wage in New Mexico who increased her earnings by $30,000 would find no change in her net income: She would pay an additional $4,000 in taxes and lose $26,000 in SCHIP and other government benefits.”
Great way to destroy the incentive to move up the economic ladder. SCHIP expansion will have all sorts of unintended consequences. It would be fiscally irresponsible even in a good economy. In a bad economy, it invites a lot of abuse. I’m sure we’ll be hearing about that soon enough.
Hope and Change!

Sorry, Nicole but those of us who actually pay taxes aren’t happy about the bill.

“This bill takes care of illegals up to age 30, thanks Obama for wasting more tax payer money.”
Except that the program is limited to those under the age of 19 and those who are citizens or illegal residents.
The right wing only has lies and scare tactics sprinkled with racism.

Anyone want to come to a Tea Party??????????

President Obama,”This is good.” According to what standard? All this tells me is that our healthcare system is now irretrievably doomed. The Federal government implementing Medicare is what started the downward spiral & this has pretty much sealed our fate.

Sara from Arizona,
Sure, I’ll come to the tea party; but only if you promise to serve scones and clotted cream.

Nicole ……this is great….you and RYAN C both tout the party line without any idea of the facts…….much less the economic impact………..I will respect you much more if you will just be straight and level with the folks like Ryan C has…..babies born on U.S. SOIL of illegal immigrants are covered by the legislation because BY LAW..they are U.S. CITIZENS. It’s O.K….you can say it.

In most states there is children healthcare. The big thing on the federal level is this is another step to nationalized healthcare that puts us in the direction of Europe. Which has been a disaster. I know this is a concern for most parents. I am one my self. But I do know that Nationalized Healthcare will be disastrous to our nation. There should be another method other than having government healthcare.

Anyone want to come to a Tea Party??????????
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If the attendees don’t mind discussing issues on a more elevated conservative platform than what is found here. Unfortunately, my conservative sisters and brethren are off platform and wallowing. But alas, Rush replaced William F Buckely long ago, and that vulgar Ann Coulter totally eclipses Peggy Noonan.

“Nicole -you aren’t going to like it very much when this turns into Universal Healthcare and you need your gall bladder out… and you have to wait 6-9 months for the surgery – instead of the 1 week you do now.”
Please explain how health insurance is going to increase wait times.

My son, who lives in Canada, has told me about heath care there. He had to wait over 24 hours to have a hospital look at his broken jaw. He also had to share a room with 4 other people. The Socialist heath care in Canada was very poor compared to the US. This is what we will be heading towards. Just think of the added burden on Doctors and hospitals. My sister who is a nurse in California says that the illegals seeking services have put the hospital to the breaking point. where she is a head nurse. This is a terrible bill.

Ryan,
When Illegals have children here on US soil, don’t the children become US citizens?

The DIRTY litle secret that the LEFT does not want you to know……….ANY child born on U.S. soil is considered to be a U.S. Citizen BY LAW…………….the new legislation covers them………..California is in economic distress………………….be informed before you buy into this propoganda.

Stacy,
YES, there IS a provision to exclude “illegal aliens”
YOU obviously did NOT read the bill:
“SEC. 211. VERIFICATION OF DECLARATION OF CITIZENSHIP OR NATIONALITY FOR PURPOSES OF ELIGIBILITY FOR MEDICAID AND CHIP.”
“(4)(A) A State may elect (in a plan amendment under this title) to provide medical assistance under this title, notwithstanding sections 401(a), 402(b), 403, and 421 of the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, to children and pregnant women who are LAWFULLY residing in the United States (including battered individuals described in section 431(c) of such Act) and who are otherwise eligible for such assistance”
Read it, please, i’m TIRED of republican scum lies!!!!
Are you THAT dense???

“My son, who lives in Canada, has told me about heath care there. He had to wait over 24 hours to have a hospital look at his broken jaw. He also had to share a room with 4 other people.”
And what did this cost your son?

Liberals = Socialism.

“The DIRTY litle secret that the LEFT does not want you to know……….ANY child born on U.S. soil is considered to be a U.S. Citizen BY LAW…………….the new legislation covers them..”
This is NOT a dirty “liberal” secret. This law has been on the books for, oh let me see, as long as the 14th amendment of the US Constitution has been on the Books!
“The Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment
The first sentence of the 14th Amendment says:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Chill out people. Unless youre one of the uninsured, you wouldn’t even understand what a relief this is for millions of others. .

Hege1321 do the “children” include the children of ILLEGAL immigrants that are born on U.S. soil?
Be careful before you buy into this legislation.

It shouldnt even matter, being an “illegal immigrant” doesnt make you less of a human. Everyone deserves a chance at life and health. Some travel much farther than you’ll ever have to seeking that. Humanity doesn’t end at country borders.

Miranda,
I agree with you; I think part of the UN Declaration on Human Rights claims that it is a human right to migrate to better living conditions…
That said; the POINT is that the LAW Obama signed DOES NOT cover ‘illegals’. It only covers lawful immigrants and citizens, and only gives States the OPTION to even cover immigrants, under Bush, States were FORCED to NOT cover legal immigrants, hence the burden was placed on our nations emergency rooms…
some much for the so-called states’ rights party of ‘compassionate’ conservatism:

I didn’t make children I can’t afford to take care of. I shouldn’t have to pay for irresponsible parents, it is your responsibility to pay for your kid’s health care. As long as a responsible person like myself is not paying for someone else’s mistakes, I couldn’t care any less about this plan. If you can’t afford health care for your kids, you shouldn’t have had them and you shouldn’t expect others to pay for your offspring’s needs. Disgusting.

Nicole, Section 211 is MUCH longer than what you posted.
The law allows for immigrants, both legal and illegal, to access SCHIP funds, although illegal immigrants can only do so for 90 days. But 90 days is 90 days. Long enough to rack up some impressive medical bills, eh? It will be abused. Count on it.
From Section 1:
‘(A) The State submits the name and social security number of the individual to the Commissioner of Social Security as part of the program established under paragraph (2).
‘(B) If the State receives notice from the Commissioner of Social Security that the name or social security number, or the declaration of citizenship or nationality, of the individual is inconsistent with information in the records maintained by the Commissioner–
‘(i) the State makes a reasonable effort to identify and address the causes of such inconsistency, including through typographical or other clerical errors, by contacting the individual to confirm the accuracy of the name or social security number submitted or declaration of citizenship or nationality and by taking such additional actions as the Secretary, through regulation or other guidance, or the State may identify, and continues to provide the individual with medical assistance while making such effort; and
‘(ii) in the case such inconsistency is not resolved under clause (i), the State–
‘(I) notifies the individual of such fact;
‘(II) provides the individual with a period of 90 days from the date on which the notice required under subclause (I) is received by the individual to either present satisfactory documentary evidence of citizenship or nationality (as defined in section 1903(x)(3)) or resolve the inconsistency with the Commissioner of Social Security (and continues to provide the individual with medical assistance during such 90-day period); and
‘(III) disenrolls the individual from the State plan under this title within 30 days after the end of such 90-day period if no such documentary evidence is presented or if such inconsistency is not resolved.

Stacy,
You point is moot. 90 days is 90 days. It is meant to cut lawful immigrants and citizens a break – meaning id there is some discrepancy in the match-up between names in the database and documentation, as it has been known to happen, then the child does not have to wait weeks before they can get the rightful care due to them..
and if it is determined that the child is not here legally, the illegal parents will then go back to doing things as they did under the Republicans…they will go to the emergency room with their sick children, instead, and they will continue to work in unregulated, slave-wage labor conditions, employers will continues to pay the ‘guest’ worker taxes, and big business will hum along happily.

Bad deal for those who smoke.

socialism101 writes:
“NO..I agree..thank you……this is what I have been asking YOU and Ryan C to admit ALL NIGHT……you did not want to go here…………..the new legislation covers the CHILDREN of illegal immigrants that are born on U.S. soil………………………you have failed to admit this (until now)and you have failed to tell the American people why they should pay for health care of children of illegal immigrants born on U.S. soil.”
socialism101 ,
If you agree that 14th Amendment to the US Constitution states that all people born on US soil are American citizens, then this bill does not merely cover the children of legal and illegal immigrants, it covers the current CITIZENS of the USA – children born on USA soil, no matter who their parents are, are lawful American citizens.
I object to you calling children who are American citizens “children of illegals” as it does not matter what their parents are; THEY, the children, if born in the USA, are lawful American citizens.
Don’t like what the Constitution says? Then convince people to change it

Something seriously wrong with this picture. People are losing their jobs, their homes, struggling to stay afloat, so of course let’s raise taxes. Perfect solution.

Oh, to see the GOP implode – pure greed, on one side, fighting against pure racism, on the other. Oh my!
Is there a reason Bush opposed immigration reform?
Big Business Republicans want the illegal immigrants because they provide a cheap source of labor for many industries.
BUSH SAID: “For decades, the United States has not been in complete control of its borders. As a result, many who want to work in our economy have been able to sneak across our border, and millions have stayed.”
Here’s what Bush wouldn’t admit: that the gang of which he’s a charter member, wanted those porous borders.
They wanted them because the flow of illegals drove down real wages across the board in the United States in agriculture, the building trades, the domestic trades, the food service and hospitality trades and a whole host of other industries that counted their fortunes on Wall Street while their laborers worked harder for less and the minimum wage remained stagnant since 1997.
Now having outsourced enough American labor to be noticed, the GOP gang of Robber Barons has a problem and it’s not economic — it’s good old fashioned American racism!
Oh, to see the GOP implode – pure greed fighting against pure racism. Oh my! Dog eat dog! Let the feasting begin!

I think this is great and for the record the taxes that are being raised are tobacco taxes so whoever said that was wrong needs to read up a little better on the subject. tobacco is bad for the health anyways so to raise those taxes to in turn recieve a great health program it is a smart decision

There’ll not be one incumbent re-elected for another term after these bozo’s get done spending all this money with no hope of paying it back in 3 generations. Do you need health care. Sure, pay for it. Just yesterday a bicyclist was turned down for care at 14 different hospitals in Japan. They have had socialized health care there for many years but there was no place to put him. 14 hospitals refused care to a man who dies at the 15th hospital. There weren’t enough doctors and/or bed spaces to accommodate one more patient. There’s not reason why any one would wish to become a doctor if he is not generously paid for his services. Ask a Canadian. She’s a health care professional here in the states but left Canada to make 5 times her net Canadian salary. American liberals are out of their socialistic minds. Seig Heil, America. It’s coming.

Nicole said “And the Republicans’ baby, women, and child-hating policies ” Republican policies are NOT baby, women, and child-hating. They are pro-self reliance, meaning you keep your money & take care of yourself and your family.

The problem with government programs like these is they never end up serving only whom they are intended to serve. People will, by nature, take advantage of the program who probably don’t need it.
I would rather they had just brought back nurses in schools, I think it would have been way cheaper and far less susceptible to being abused.
But history will tell how this turns out. Hopefully it won’t be in the same conversation of disappointment our children have with SS and Medicare.

When will the hypocrisy cease republicans.
While they are in the womb….you speak for them … your scream for them….. you chant for them …. your march for them … you fight for them
once they are born
the hell with them…..

I AM SO ANGRY!
Tom Daschle, and Nancy Killefer are two of the finest, and most competent public servants you could possibly hope for in these appointments. They have been assassinated by the Washington healthcare lobby through their paid Bush Republican henchmen in congress. These Bush republicans are the same people blocking the economic recovery plan put forth by the Obama administration.
I am BURNING MAD America. And you should be too. Tome Daschle and Nancy Killefer were exactly what we needed to help turn this country around and fix our economy, and catastrophic healthcare crisis.
If I were their boss I would tell them to get right back to Washington. And dare congress to not approve them. How ridiculous is it to reject highly qualified people that this country needs just because they made a mistake on their taxes. Don’t stand for that anymore America. They apologized, and paid their taxes, and that should be it. Their country needs them. But President Obama has to do what he thinks is best. I understand that. I’M JUST SO MAD at the anti American Bush Republicans.
Like many of you I have been trying to enjoy the after glow of this Beautiful historic election. But I see that the republicans in congress and their cohorts aren’t going to be good sports, and LOSER’S!
SO BE IT!
In spite of President Obama’s repeated offers, and gestures of collegiality to Republicans. Bush Republicans have seized upon every opportunity to stab President Obama in the back. And by doing so they are stabbing you, and the rest of the American people in the back. Well, you don’t have to put up with that. And you shouldn’t put up with that. President Obama has only been on the job two weeks. And he inherited two wars, and the worst economy since the great depression.
We had an election. And president Obama, and the democrats won BIG. And Bush Republicans lost miserably!
The Bush Republicans are the ones responsible for the worst economic crisis since the great depression. And the Bush Republicans are responsible for the worst healthcare crisis in American history. A healthcare crisis that is killing hundreds of thousands of you every year. Rich, middle class, and poor a like. Insured, and uninsured. Men, women, children, and babies.
President Obama, and the Democrats should take back all the concessions they granted the Bush Republicans, and tell them to put up! or shut up!
Everyone, start calling and contacting these Bush Republicans and tell them to stop blocking President Obama, and the Democrats recovery plan. And stop trying to block, and corrupt healthcare reform. Tell them to get on board with President Obama and the Democrats, or GET OUT!!
If these Bush Republicans refuse to cooperate I want all of you to immediately begin the process of removing them from office by every legal means possible. Including impeachment, and recall. I want you to bring the full weight and power of the movement down on their heads that swept President Obama, and the Democrats into control of the whitehouse, and congress. Take no prisoners. Use all the techniques you learned over this past historic election. Be flexible, creative, adaptable, and relentless like you were in the past.
To my cyber warriors I call on you again. You are among the best and the brightest. I call on you to move this fight from the cyber world to the living rooms, dens, and work places of the voters these Bush Republicans misrepresent. I know I can count on you. This is a fight worth fighting.
To my fellow World citizens. As an American I invite, and welcome you and your advise, input, and help. By delaying Americas recovery, and healthcare reform, these Bush Republicans are delaying our commitment to your recovery, and to being the better America for you that we aspire too.
I had hoped it would not come to this after our historic election. I had hoped that the Bush Republicans would respect the overpowering will of the people, and the World. But I guess not. All the Bush Republicans really care about is them-selves. Well, SO BE IT! Lets finish the job.
Sincerely
jacksmith — Working Class :-)

Jacksmith,
Your rant is really quite telling. Endemic of what seems to be a growing portion of America that believes when a Democrat steps on it, somehow it was a Republican that pushed it in front of him to step on, as If Democrats can never do any wrong.
The facts are those people screwed up, even Obama admitted a screw up, yet you blame the other party for their screw up? Your rant is illogical and largely absent from reality. The fact that you are so upset about it is also disturbing.
If you stub your toe, do you blame Bush too?

Why dont we start drug testing people on foodstamps and take the State money we save from the ones that fail and pay for this.STOP taxing people who smoke.If I have to pay $5.00 a pack I should be able to smoke wereever the hell I want!!!!!

“A huge part of the problem is the mortgage/housing issue, which goes back a few years to when the Democrats were warned about the way Fannie & Freddie were doing business, but the Democrats ignored the warning.”
Let’s not forget that the Republicans ignored the warning just as much, and it was the Democrats that passed regulations first.

“Can we translate that into just ‘Selfish’?”
I think self absorbed would be a better term.

Skip,
When did Dems pass regulation? and howw many times did Bumbling Barney Frank organize opposition to Bush & Republican efforts to regulate Freddie/Fannie ?
He is the same clown who takes every opportunity to still slam Bush when a microphone/camera is infront of his face, yet wont admit his own involvement in all this.
If he were a Republican, every nighttime news magazine show in the mainstream media would have done a huge investigative story on him & his involvement!
The fact that he is still involved in writing things like this pork pile “stimulus” package and now the ‘new’ TARP bill is ridiculus.
The pork that he & Pelosi filled up the stimulus bill has been exposed and is now forcing major rewrites as the senate at least attempts to put together a bill the American people wont choke on!

“You know or should know the intent of the 14th Amendment.”
Intent is for the courts to argue and they have held up being born in the United States equals citizenship every time.
“It was NOT to give citizenship to children of illegal aliens who came into the country solely for the purpose of giving birth on American soil!”
Geee I guess the millions of Irish that were streaming into this country were completely unnoticed or the millions of Chinese for that matter and no one realized that we were giving those illegal immigrants’ children citizenship.

“I had not even gotten a chance to say just how incredibly hypocritical it is to fund children’s health care by taxing a substance that the same group of liberals say kills thousands of people every year! Now we are saying even “third-hand” smoke is killing people.”
How is it hypocritical?
Raising the price of cigarettes leads to more people quitting and fewer people starting.
It serves the goal of reducing smoking while funding children’s health insurance.
That’s called win-win.
“If tobbaco products are this dangerous, just make them illegal !”
Prohibition doesn’t work.
Didn’t work with alcohol and it doesn’t work with drugs.

“Geee I guess the millions of Irish that were streaming into this country were completely unnoticed or the millions of Chinese for that matter and no one realized that we were giving those illegal immigrants’ children citizenship.”
Not sure the analogy is close enough to compare. Most of the Irish and Chinese you speak of came over by boat and were far easier to account for through the immigration process. I doubt hardly any of them were illegal. Back then the laws were different, but the most common way they were denied entry in the US was because of infectious diseases. That was the basis of all our immigrant laws.
Today with the porous southern border, those laws are circumvented, leading to illegal status, which is different.

If Bush was against it, then I know I am for it !!! 8 years of that administration and some of you still don’t get it. Guess it’s going to take YOUR job being on the next closings list.

Yes, this IS the change we’ve been waiting for and look forward to more.

“Not to mention that using taxes to influence behavior is the doorway to abusive government. That is wrong and should be illegal.”
So it should be illegal to use taxes to influence behavior.
I guess that kills Republican tax credit ideas for stimulus. After all tax credits are using taxes to influence behavior.

“I guess that kills Republican tax credit ideas for stimulus.”
Surely it would, but then maybe we’d all think about a flat tax instead of using the tax system like some lever to pull when you don’t like the way things are?
I’d be quite for that. At least I’d know what my taxes are this year cause as of right now, I don’t have a clue.

“Hmmm since its a ten year old program that has been running on tobacco taxes I doubt that will happen.”
hmm what did he sign then if this thing has been in for 10 years?

“hmm what did he sign then if this thing has been in for 10 years?”
This is an expansion of the program.
You made a blanket statement that health insurance based on tobacco taxes was doomed to fail in short order.
When in fact the program has been chugging along on tobacco taxes for 10 years now.

“I’d be quite for that. At least I’d know what my taxes are this year cause as of right now, I don’t have a clue.”
The flat tax is a regressive tax as its impact upon those with less income is much greater than those will a great deal of income.
Right wingers love it because they see it as “starving the beast” to quote Norquist along with allowing rich people to accumulate more and more wealth and power.

“The flat tax is a regressive tax as its impact upon those with less income is much greater than those will a great deal of income.”
Interesting. Have you looked at the Tax systems of the former communist block countries, including Russia? All rejecting Carl Marx progressive taxation and adopting flat tax principles? If Russia abandoned Marx, why don’t we? Obviously it didn’t work for them.
“The program is likely to be so popular there is no way it will be cut.”
So popular because people will become dependent on it, and thus dependent on Government. That’s proven good practice in history huh?
“This is an expansion of the program.”
So… we going to expand smokers too? Hard to believe this logic escapes you.
“And I will gladly pay taxes for children’s health insurance.”
And that should be your choice, not force the rest of the country to conform to your choices. Free country right? Make it a choice whether you pay into it or not. Novel idea?

“At some point your going to realize you lost!”
How did I lose?
You guys want to create a 2nd class citizenry in direct violation of the 14th amendment.
“Yes, the children are citizens, but at that time, people were expected to make it on their own!”
You may not have noticed but the country has rejected the idea of a government that does not assist the people a long time ago.
“Your attempts at trying to draw parallels between the immigrants of 1800’s and today’s illegal aliens are an insult to those people who came here and worked hard for they got!”
Your failure to realize that immigrants of today illegal and otherwise break their backs as much as the immigrants of 150 years is something I can’t help you with.
So is it the skin color?

“No, we want the law to be followed and ensure that legal citizens are the only ones to recieve public treasury funds. Is that asking too much, or does the law not really matter?”
And these children by definition are legal citizens.
You cannot deny them services because of their parents.
Its a violation of the equal protection clause.

We have a Constitution. There is a 10th Amendment that states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Obama has already violated his oath of office and needs to be tried for treason, as do most Democrats and Republicans in Washington.

What Obama supporters fail to realize is that. 47 % of he country did NOT. I repeat do NOT vote for Obama. Of those 47 % my opinion is most of them want Obama to fail. I’m counting down the years and months already. You people have raised Obama’s bar so high. He can do nothing but fail. With this tobbaco tax, PROVES our president is a socialist. This is just the first of many taxes coming down the pike. So you don’t smoke huh? Wait for taxes on tires to go up, in the name of road contruction costs. To be silly for sec. How about Obama raise taxes in candy bars, so he can start up a new Obesity program. Don’t you Obama supporters get it yet? EVERY socialist program this guy creates, will be funded by YOU! It’s called taxing one group to pay for another group. Smokers are just the start. America Obama supporters or not better wake up and smell the communism!