Obama’s Budget: Almost $1 Trillion in New Taxes Over Next 10 yrs, Starting 2011

People who have watched their retirement savings, college plans, and home equity decline are being told they are about to have to give up more of their money to the government.
That seems like reverse stimulation to me.

the depression occurred because of 3 things: taxes on imports, taxes on american businesses and over-regulation of business.
The democrats own the next depression.

Geez, looking at that, he’s going to drive gas prices through the roof. Four dollar gas is going to look cheap when he’s done screwing things up.

Unreal!
This is why Democrats are known for raising your taxes. This guy is a disaster.

Wow… What a great way to turn a recession into a decade long depression!!

Only a trillion. Gee golly. Let’s all reach out a thank a liberal. Nice work.

What’s the point of bettering yourself anymore? The government is just going to take what you earn. Way to stifle innovation and ingenuity.

So we should stop working and live of the government? Hope all you obama sheep are happy,…more jobs will move over seas, more money to illegal aliens, the list goes on and on,…someone better impeach this fool or America is going to sink so fast NOBODY will be able to save her!

It’s not about stimulation, it’s about socialization. Never forget that.

This isn’t a budget. It’s a war plan on domestic oil producers. How this squares with his energy independence talk I can’t begin to fathom.

I assume Omentum is being sarcastic…
What fantasy land does Obama live in? Does he not realize that people have choices, and that turning the US into Taxachussetts will cause the more affluent to leave in droves for more favorable locales, cause businesses to cease to invest in the U.S. and instead divert resources to locales with more favorable tax regimes, and de-incentivize the accretion of wealth.
Obama’s policies are turning a recession into a depression at an alarming speed.

It’s been proven over and over again that increasing taxes actually reduces the amount of revenue the flows into the govenment. When will these guys wake up and smell the coffee. Oh I forgot, they just want to solidify their power base via wealth redistribution.

Where in the heck are the Republicans SCREAMING on TV, radio etc? We are being raped by these economic imbeciles! I know middle class parents, who work hard, who want to buy guns and march on DC to throw out this incompetent fool of a president. I am not kidding.

@Omentum:
You obviously don’t understand what’s about to happen to you…
Posted by: Where’s My ‘tini? | Feb 26, 2009 12:12:46 PM
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something better than the previous eight years!!!!!!!
YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!

It’s about time rich people and bug business paid their fair share. What made America great was all of use being able to share in the wealth but then Reagan and Bush decided to only take care of the rich.

Now we see how Obama is going to pay for (one-third) of his $3 trillion spending increase (assuming the programs are permanent). He’s the most radical tax and spend liberal president in U.S. history. Raising taxes on businesses, investments, and small businesses that all pay the personal income tax rate is the perfect plan – if your goal is to dramatically shrink economic growth.
If we do get out of this recession we’re just going to have a “double dip” recession like in the Great Depression (which was actually just two bad recessions with a doubling of government spending) in 2011 when this massive tax increase is imposed.

Finally! Back to prosperity!
For all those uninformed in American history, the 20 years of arguably our greatest growth (50s and 60s) were accompanied with a NINETY PERCENT (yes, 90%) marginal tax rate on the highest income bracket.
Get with it folks, this is as American as Apple Pie and Model Ts.

This isnt a budget. Its a declaration of war against people who produce.

There goes my 3 percent pay raise for the year!!
Thanks Mister President!!

I can’t think of anything more anti-recovery than raising taxes by 1 trillion. What could these yahoos possibly be thinking?

This was to be expected was it not? We all knew what the majority of Americans voted for.
What worse than these new taxes is the amount of inflation that is going to occur within the coming year because of the money we are printing from absolutely no-where. We cannot create money and throw it at spending projects that will not create lasting jobs especially when the money runs out…
I’m worried about the future

Econ guy! I am one of the middle class parents that is working hard. I willing to travel to Washington and dump tea on the mall! We need to organize!!!!!

CBaratta, that may be true, but the Dollar was still a hard currency back then and the rest of the world was digging itself out from a war.
Compare apples to apples.

Non-millionaire people who watched their personal investments get stolen by a crafty 1% on the top, and then watched that 1% sit on the money and ask for bailouts, are being asked by the government to help pay the extortion money because there is no other choice.
This seems like reverse decency to me.

For the few fools who have posted their approval of this fiasco tax increase, what don’t you understand about who will pay these taxes? Businesses pass all expenses unto their customers – YOU! Just a typical ploy by our new USSA govt. of passing the blame for increases in prices onto businesses while they collect and sqaunder the bounty.

As usual the effect is going to be exactly the opposite of what the meddlers intend. People with lots of cash (the really rich) are going to be able to buy shares and other financial assets at prices so low they might as well be piles of waste paper. Then Obama and all the people he rode into town with are going to get booted back to Chicago at the next election, share prices will bounce back off the floor and the rich will end up richer than ever. The bankers will benefit from this, from the subsidies Obama is currently handing out, and from commissions on both trades.

Newsfalsh
Logic 101
Corporations don’t pay taxes, they pass that tax down thru upcharging, or they simply move.
You’ll be whining soon that inflation is out of control.
Tsk, tsk tsk!

@ JS and JC
can’t agree more
this country will have to change to address its needs in a changing world both at home and abroad
let old ideas (Reaganism, Bushism) die with the current crisis the old ideas wrought
and screw the CEOs who sold all of us out – celebrate a new model for business – greener, leaner models of business that change with the times

We’re all equal now except some of us are a little more equal.

at some point we are going to have no choice but to put a stop to this insanity.

Who is watching out for the average American lost in the middle?
I’m an average American fed up with not being heard from, people who want answers from our local and federal governments. Our Country is heading down a path that I don’t know if I want to be part of. I’m sick of it, and I want answers because Our Country Is too Great to let this happen The world is Changing fast and we need to Stop trying to please everyone. As one no body will listen as a group of Average Americans we can stand together and voice are rights for being tax payers

I assume Omentum is being sarcastic…
What fantasy land does Obama live in? Does he not realize that people have choices, and that turning the US into Taxachussetts will cause the more affluent to leave in droves for more favorable locales, cause businesses to cease to invest in the U.S. and instead divert resources to locales with more favorable tax regimes, and de-incentivize the accretion of wealth.
Obama’s policies are turning a recession into a depression at an alarming speed.
Posted by: Chad3337 | Feb 26, 2009 12:16:18 PM
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my opinion is that the uber affluent have been living above their means for far far far too long.
they also set the wrong example for those aspiring to be like them. they probably got to where they are by who they know NOT what they know.
so maybe the reigns need to be pulled on the Donald Trumps of the America to give someone else a legitimate shot at making a living, staying in their home.. keeping their job from being shipped overseas.
the uber-rich CEO’s and company will kill their grandmothers to make a buck and that’s been the status-quo in the business world
Talk about government bad??????
How about all the business scandals in the past 10 years which have done more damage to working families than any government administration…. EVEN OBAMA’S
So please ….. enough of catering to the uber-rich at the expense of the whole nation. They need to suck lemons for a change.

What I truly find fascinating is the revisionism of the left. For the last 6 years, the left has cried loud and long about the deficits of Mr. Bush and how they are destructive to our economy. Yet, now, with Obama we are supposed to just accept 1.75 trillion in deficits, accept new taxation, and call this change. Does not anyone on the left recognize this as tax and spend liberalism? Everyone was told this is exactly what Obama and the Democrats would do. Those brave enough to say it were summarily scoffed at and dismissed by the Obama supporters with such things as “that will never happen”. Guess what? It is happening. We have changed alright to where Americans think tax and spend liberalism is a good thing. We are the road to a liberal generated disaster following a president who is clueless.

This is ridiculous. Lower taxes equals more investments, more spending, and less government intervention. Obama has no idea what the HELL he is doing. He’s raising taxes on the people who hire US. He’s raising taxes on the people who keep US employed. Unbelievably ignorant.

To anyone who thinks the rich don’t pay their fair share of taxes, think again. The top 2% of americans pay over 30% of the income taxes in the country and the bottom 25% of earners pay zero income tax.
Apparently paying zero in taxes is being fair, but taking half of the working people’s isn’t fair enough?
Why can’t Obama just come out and say, I want your money and to control your life.

You want to see the economy grow? Then here’s what the idiots in Washington should do:
Eliminate the corporate income tax (there is no such thing anyway)
Eliminate the capital gain tax
Cut individual income taxes by 25%
But we know it’s not about the economy. It’s about control. If the economy sucks, they controls you.

President Obama said of the 3.5 million jobs his program would create 90% would be in the private sector. . . that translates to 350,000 more jobs in Government. . .
Not sure that is a good job. . As a goal reducing the deficit to 500 Billion doesn’t seem that great. . .Why doesn’t Government spend no more than it receives?
Let’s help the millions of people who have lost their homes. . .Give more money to the Banks that took them. (and us).

Obama’s making Jimmy Carter look like a genius and we all know how that turned out. Can you all say “One and out”?

I’m wondering who has ever had a paycheck signed by a “poor” guy. This villification of the wealthy, (and NO, I’m not one) is the ultimate culmination of envy- there’s a reason it’s one of the seven deadly sins. I hope that everyone who is in favor of this socialist agenda, realizes that this will do nothing but further create extreme government wealth and power, and leave us ALL in the dust. Redistribution will mean that EVERYONE has less…much less when our economy tanks further. Our liberty is on its way out folks…wake up. The innovation, ingenuity, the American spirit, is disappearing before our very eyes.

This is 1 trillion, which is only $100 billion per year across multiple funding sources. Do you conservatives know what a real tax hike is? You ran congress and spent and cut taxes, brilliant. Keep it coming Drudge.

but he’s the first black president….

texas is gonna get screwed here big time i see all the shops who make parts and suppliers of oil drillers fixing to take a bump since i do work for these people and they wont make it i guess hes mad at us for not being a broke democratic state like mich,ohio and the other dem states hes trying to raise oil prices to make it be the same price as green energy breaking the backs of every one hes a failed policy president

I take it my parents were wrong about money not growing on trees. Can somebody point me to the tree it is growing on so I can grab some?

Revolution?

“Oh yeah, when did ABC become a neoconservative wag? This Tapper guy is the new Hannity.”
So, reporting on the facts about the new tax increases makes Tapper a neoconservative?

Omentum-
Do you really put someone making $250K in the same league as Donald Trump?
Your class envy is appalling. This is America. If you want to be the next Donald Trump, do it. No one is stopping you. Don’t begrudge the people who make a success of themselves because you choose not to.

Obama is a pig and so are the rest of you idiots that think this is good.
Your children are now slaves.
Posted by: Lynn | Feb 26, 2009 12:19:10 PM
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Good. They need a little discipline in their lives. They are just spoiled rotten.

Good….I will fire 3 people this month to pay for the new business taxes…I am now even.

Yes, but….he has such CHARISMA!

Who didn’t know the Commander in Chief was going to begin his War on Employers?
It’s the spending, spending, spending that got us into this mess! The liberal answer? Spend MORE, now without even the threat of veto.
Now to replay those campaign quotes of a fiscally prudent, tax-lowering, spending-reducing, pay-go Obama. Shame on anyone that believed him.

The rapid movement toward class warfare is both dangerous and counterproductive. The American dream is what drives us to work as hard as we can to one day achieve prosperity. What is it exactly that makes people so evil once they achieve the dream? Apparently once you cross $250K, you’ve crossed over to the dark side. What about that way of thinking is logical?!? It isn’t. It’s envy and lust, plain and simple.

all this and now Sheryl Crow wants radio stations to pay her when they play her songs.

WOW… the rich have to go back to tax levels they had when Clinton was in office! Oil companies, who now make 10 billion in profits every quarter (3 months) now will only make 9. What are you people complaining about???

Time to Shrug.

Look at all these Rush Limbaugh,Fox news, Drudge report, Right Wing nuts going off the Deep End! hahah lololol Now you Know how we Felt for 8 Long years with Bush.Its about Time the Top Wealthy pay their Share, We the Middle class have Been Paying for so long were Getting wiped out!While the Rich got off easy. Go President Obama oh and wing nuts Calm down it will be Ok!

No one EARNS millions of dollars. Basically anyone whose income is in the millions benefits from the labors of others who make much less. We have a system that can be GAMED which results in an unfair distribution of wealth. I have no problem with greater wealth going to those whom make a greater contribution but there is a huge disconnect in wealth vs real contribution. Taxes are one simple way to correct this obvious corruption.

To anyone who voted for Obama – I blame you!!! You all were duped by speeches, by style and no substance!! Bow your heads in shame! This will all be your fault! We won’t forget!

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
- Thomas Jefferson
In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a congress.
-John Adams
I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
- Winston Churchill
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw
Government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And, if it stops moving, subsidize it.
- Ronald Reagan
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it’s free!
- PJ O’Rourke
If you don’t read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.
- Mark Twain

“C. Barratta:For all those uninformed in American history, the 20 years of arguably our greatest growth (50s and 60s) were accompanied with a NINETY PERCENT (yes, 90%) marginal tax rate on the highest income bracket”
Baratta, this is correct and also uninformed. This worked because every other industrialized nation was DESTROYED during WWII. We rebuilt them with our steel, plastic, and glass. Once they got on their feet in the early 60′s they began kicking our butt and Kennedy lowered taxes to more reasonable rates to get out of a recession. Then they continued to kick our butt, which is why the 70′s were a lost decade, ending in the disaster that was Jimmy Carter.
Thus begat Reagan and the 80′s-00′s boom.

Did you not realize this is the great equalizer? The revolution has begun. We are moving into phase one – socialism. We are eliminating the upper class and redistributing wealth down to the lower class. We are creating one class and replacing the upper class with government. The state will now control the means of production. The state will control capital, the banks, means to acquiring money through loans, creation of jobs, infrastructure, production will be regulated – through cover stories such as environmentalism, global warming, trade caps, etc. Forget Lenin and his violent overthrow of capitalist regimes. We’ve worked from within. The state controls everything. A strong national government controls education and soon healthcare. Is there anything else? Oh yes. State government. Through this stimulus plan, states will beg the national government to bail them out and will do so through strings attached. Those holding out only do so at their peril. They prolong the inevitable. Socialism is here. It will allow final purging of the last vestiges of capitalism to take us to our beloved communist utopia. Long live the revolution.

M1:The rapid movement toward class warfare is both dangerous and counterproductive. The American dream is what drives us to work as hard as we can to one day achieve prosperity. What is it exactly that makes people so evil once they achieve the dream? Apparently once you cross $250K, you’ve crossed over to the dark side. What about that way of thinking is logical?!? It isn’t.
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Exactly.
The number $250,000 is completely arbitrary. It is the number candidate Obama chose to set his policy around. It’s dismaying to see so many people then adopt that number as some legitimate gateway to being “wealthy”.
Here’s the thing: If he can get people to believe it about $250,000, he can get people to believe it about any other number. As long as their are fewer people over his target income level than there are under it, he can get people to see them as the “other”- the rich and greedy, who don’t want to pay their fair share.
If he started defining wealthy as $200,000 or $150,000, who would argue? It sure sounds like a lot of money.

It’s so great to see an intelligent President that is actually doing something positive. All these rush-listening idiots on here need to realize that it took us years to get into this mess and it will takes years to get out. So turn off sean insanity and listen to something intelligent for the good of your country.

No one EARNS millions of dollars. Basically anyone whose income is in the millions benefits from the labors of others who make much less. We have a system that can be GAMED which results in an unfair distribution of wealth. I have no problem with greater wealth going to those whom make a greater contribution but there is a huge disconnect in wealth vs real contribution. Taxes are one simple way to correct this obvious corruption.
Posted by: Igor | Feb 26, 2009 12:36:52 PM
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And who created all those jobs? The guy w/ the millions to begin w/ who risked his money to create a business. Or, in many m ore cases, a poor guy who worked hard, risked everything he had, and through dedication to task, was able to build a big business that eventually employs lots of people. You’re telling me those people aren’t allowed to benefit from this?

I worked very hard, in school and in the workplace. I invested in my own future and my own drive to be successful. For those making 250k, realize that’s before actual ‘take home pay’ which already means it’s reduced by 30-40% in taxes. On top of that, the hard work, effort, and realizations of my own dreams means now that the government and others can profit off of my hard work by taking away more of what I worked so hard to get to begin with. I’m being punished for being successful. I’m successful at great personal expense (in terms of time and costs like school), and my reward for those efforts is to take more of what I earned away from me to give to everyone else.
Entrepreneurs, small businesses, and innovators will be hurt… and those are the people that help others through ideas, innovation, and employment. Why punish them?

Angie, Your plan assumes the rich will continue coming to the same bar where they are asked to pay everyone elses tab.
You better hope they don’t decide the land down under is a better place to conduct business.
Go take an economics class

Take from the doers, give to the non-doers. Makes sense to me.

Explain how $250,000/year is rich? My wife and I incurred great debt to get our doctoral degrees. We make good money, but we have a lot of debt to pay back. We have a child to take care of, we are fiscally responsible, we have a nice house (but not a huge mansion), we invest toward retirement, we tithe 10% to church and charities, etc. Why should we get punished for getting more education and working for what we get?

Remember the debate on ABC where Charles Gibson pointed out that Clinton cutting captial gains taxes resulted in higher revenue and Obama replied “that’s true, but raising rates is done in the name of fairness”. When you need a job, go and apply to the one where you see the sign “going out of business”. It may not be healthy for the economy but at least we know the business would have payed higher taxes had it not gone out of business!

If this goes through, we’ll reverse illegal immigration and start heading south in search of a better life.

Omentum, did I see you at Obama’s news conference asking for a handout? Well, US can officially put up the banner, ‘welcome to Loserville’..
Yeah O supporters, when the reality of what you have created sets in by voting this man in, the super-rich will have relocated and left you in this second-class with nothing to look forward to. Do you believe you will have Dr’s wrking their a$$ off to provide you the best care? If you are complaining about not getting through the unemloyment lines, that’s nothing compared to the world of nothings you’re about to create. I for one will be leaving this country within the next 3 yts and let me just remind all of you rooting for equality—IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, but whatt will happen is the Upper Class–O and Pelosi, Reed sitting on their mountain on your tx $$’s and the utterly poor, always waiting for the next handout..’Oliver’ comes to mind saying, ‘Could I have some more please?’ THE MIDDLE CLASS WILL BE NON-EXISTANT! Good luck waking to ur reality…this is only the first 35 days..what happens when the unexpected happens? God help us!

It’s so great to see an intelligent President that is actually doing something positive. All these rush-listening idiots on here need to realize that it took us years to get into this mess and it will takes years to get out. So turn off sean insanity and listen to something intelligent for the good of your country.
Posted by: pt | Feb 26, 2009 12:40:10 PM
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How is raising taxes on all of us – either directly or indirectly (you think these companies are going to pay these taxes out of the goodness of their heart w/out raising prices? Hah!) “good” for my country?

In one year, Obama will have run up a deficit equal to all of the George W Bush deficits *COMBINED*, based on the Congressional Budget Office potential predictions.
That’s real CHANGE.

Did you forget the tax on utilities for thier carbon emissions which they will pass onto you. Obama was smart and said if you make under 75k you can right it off. Wait, does this mean a tax increase for those making only 75k. Obama, tell me it isn’t so. Are you just another liar of a politician.

My poor recently retired parents. They had all their money in those conservative options like they were supposed to, but they’ve still lost almost half of their retirement savings in this market.
This will no doubt keep the markets down for at least a few more years, and means they’re going to try to have to find some kind of work again in a down economy.
I’m even more scared for them if inflation starts to kick in as a result of all this borrowing/money-printing going on.
What the hell man. Hope and change for someone else, I guess.

Finally! The selfish, simple-minded policies that are the off-spring of Reaganomics are coming to their rightful demise. Let’s bury them.

Hey Newsflash – here is a flash for you. We don’t need to raise cash – we need to stop spending!!! This well of taxing the rich is finite – there is only so much that can be done here. Yet in just the last month our govt has tripled our dept by pork spending. Stop the spending and end all the unconstitutional federal programs and maybe we can do something I have to do every month – balance the checkbook. And the moral of that story needs to be understood on BOTH sides of the aisle in Congress.

Obama and this radical left wing leadership of the Democratic party are a major catastrophe for America. The only jobs that will be created are more people working for the government because the private sector when they figure this agenda out will be totally disheartened and stop creating new jobs. We went from bad, Bush & the out of control Republicans who spent like Democrats to worse, Obama and these crazy Democrat radicals who lie about their socialist big government agenda.

Our Looter-in-chief just guaranteed us that a recession will become a depression — and a hyper-inflationary depression at that, which is the worst of all possible worlds.
I hope all you Obama supporters enjoy your time in the soup line, if you can find one.

The founding father’s never intended the american dream to be a bunch of greedy rich people hoarding money and making the poor and middleclass pay their way. If “all men are created equal” then obviously the idea is to redistribtue wealth so that those of us not born into a life of privilege can pursue happiness.

that $250,000 figure is household income. so if you and your spouse are reasonably successful and earn that combined, congrats — you just got hosed. hope all that education, hard work, struggle, and sacrifice were worth it. punished for success — that’s the Democrat way!
i love it, tax the rich, tax the corporations. the rich are not stupid, thats why they’re rich, and you’re just a miserable sucker. they’ll shelter their money, they always do. corporations will just raise the cost of goods and services, passing their tax increase on to you, useful idiots. that and the fact that we’ve printed a couple trillion dollars in the past few months, should make the USA a real treat to live in these next few years. hopefully we can start to turn it around in 2012.

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples’ money.” – Margaret Thatcher

president obama has been in office right at a month and the Republicans are already blaming him for everything. Where were they when the republicans had control of the White House and both the House and Senate. Do they really thank they did a good job with Bush in control? President Obama took over this debit he did not make it Bush did and his thug Republican party that was in control. Answer this question America thak back to President Clinton were you as a person better off then or when Bush was in Office. How was your 401k when Clinton was in office and how is it now thanks to bush and his reat Ideas.

Here’s an experiment: let’s apply Obama’s economic principles to college and high school grades. Let’s take points away from the ones that score the highest, you know, the greedy ones that horde all the straight A’s? Then lets knock those 4.0′s down to 3.0′s so the lazy kids can bump their averages up. Then when these college and high school kids get their report cards, let’s call it the “Academic Stimulus Package” brought to you by Obama. Then let’s hold a mock election and see if Obama can garner more than 20% of the vote. Chances are, the lazy, and uninformed kids will vote for Obama. The smarter kids will wonder why they put those Obama bumper stickers on their cars.

Countries with the Highest Quality of Life
1 Norway
2 Sweden
3 Canada
4 Belgium
5 Australia
6 United States
7 Iceland
8 Netherlands
9 Japan
10 Finland
11 Switzerland
12 France
13 UK
14 Denmark
15 Austria
Source: BBC
Amazing!! America the so called richest country in the world not even rank in the top 2 in offering it CITIZENS the best quality of LIFE.
And you can chalk that up to
Poor healthcare..where the insurance companies benifits and NOT the citizen.
Those country that outrank America do have UNIVERSAL healthcare and it seems to work just fine for its citizens.
And for the detractors.. if Universal Healthcare didn’t work for these Countries dont you think its CITIZENS would RIOT and act up for it to change.
America is NOW cathing up to 21 century type policies ,Too bad we had to waste 8 yers in doing so
Education : Well where do i begin, OUTDATED crumbling buildings and lack
of quality teachers.. because it doesn’t PAY well And also lack of learning supplies for the classroom.
Also NOT much of Social programs and SAFETY NETS that put citizens in a position to live a quality life they deserve.
POVERTY BREEDS CRIME.
Those Countries that outrank America have a LOW crime rate.. because they provide the safety nets for its citizens, And that prevent many desperate people from going out and doing desperate things to survive.
e.g A mother going out and shoplifting diapers and food for her kids.
Afterall the past 8 years was everyman for himself under president Bush, unless if you were a billionare company that needed a handout or rich.

I think the answer is to work for Obama’s team… apparently not paying ‘their fair share’ in taxes for years is an important qualification.
Let’s start with the folks in Washington paying their taxes before we screw the law abiding citizens over even more.

I’m going to be lmao when all of us who work EXTREMELY hard to be successful say it isn’t worth it to work like this and drop out or leave. What will these morons do when there are no more “rich” people to tax??
This administration is dismantling the things that made this country great. We are creating a growing welfare state and entitlement class. Very sad.
As for the people that think “rich” people don’t pay taxes. I have news for you – most who make in the $250K range pay 40% of income in taxes. I know this because I am one of these people.
Educate yourself before it is too late!!

Here is one conservative who is glad they are increasing taxes on those who make over $250,000. Why not?
I do wish the dems would drill for oil and build more refineries though. Nuke plants are also needed. I hate the home bailouts for all the fools who make $26,000 and still bought homes that cost $485,000 and had adjustable mortgages. Thanks Barney Frank for screwing up the country.

Omentum you are blinded by your envy. You should go to church or something.
Not every wealthy ( over $250K) person got there by cheating a poor person. My husband started stocking shelves and worked his way up to the point where we can afford for me to stay home and take care of our kids. How dare you impugn his integrity? There are some bad CEO’s, and celebrities, and politicians and atheletes. The list goes on. There are also some good ones, so should all wealthy people be thrown in the same category because a small minority of them are bad? Grow up.
There will always be someone richer than you and even more that are poorer. Get off your high horse.

“The only things certain in life are death and taxes.” After seeing President Obama’s tax scheme, I look forward to death!

Every B.Hussein lover want to say, “Bush got us in this mess…” or some such non-sense.
This can actually be Blamed on EVERY President and Congress since JFK was Murdered.
Bush, gave us a 3 Trillion Debt increase in 8 years.
B.Hussein has Increase that by 3.6 Trillion in the last 30 DAYS.

First of all, there are plenty of people who have capital gains who make less than 250K a year… so his proclamation that every household under 250 will see no tax cut is wrong.
I fully expect that 250 number will go lower.

Obama and the Democrats are going to squeeze as much toothpaste out of the tube while they have the votes to do so. It doesn’t matter if it doesn’t make sense economically. It’s all about wealth transfer and shifting our nation to socialism.

The economy is going to completely TANK
It’s like some people don’t even read the news.

Omentum you are blinded by your envy. You should go to church or something.
Posted by: ctmom
| Feb 26, 2009 12:52:22 PM
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I do.. That is where I read the scripture
To whom much is given…. much is required.
AMEN

Get ready for the next Civil War!

I have an idea Mr President. We need a Nutritional Stimulus Package. I propose we surgically remove the FAT from the fattest 10% of the country, and TRANSPLANT them into the skinniest 10%, so we can have WEIGHT fairness.
THEN I propose an Entertainment Stimulus package, where we can take the salaries of Sean Penn and others that earn millions, and give it to those lame-o’s that create cheesy used-car commercials and casino ads, for Entertainment fairness.
ALSO we need ACADEMIC fairness, where the straight A students get knocked down to B’s, so the F’s and D’s can become C’s.
Please Mr President…it’s SUCH a BLESSING to SEE YOU! Gracious God!!!

Hey Sean,
Out of the list of countries you mention, which one has the most people trying to emigrate to it – legally and illegally?

look at the great Stimulus Package that we got from Bush. 700 Billion and his party that was in charge at the time has no idea where the money went except for the bonus money that was paid to the same folks who ran there company in the ground. Now thats good way to spend tax payer money or lets take some of the Stimulus Package money and go on a vacation or fix up are office

Your Math is not very good:
Total: $353 billion/10 years?

Waaaaa!!!!!!!!!
They are going to make me pay taxes now!!!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!

“jobs” alone do not create “wealth”. incentives for individuals to take risks and mostly strong stock markets are the engines for wealth, growth and jobs..
socialist states create ‘jobs’ without caring that much about ‘wealth creation’.
I am not disputing what Mr. Obama intends to do – it all sounds nice and dandy. I am disputing how Mr. Obama wants to pay for what he wants to do. Not even mentioning wealth creation or balancing the budget?

Re: “Angie in PA: Look at all these Rush Limbaugh,Fox news, Drudge report, Right Wing nuts going off the Deep End! hahah lololol Now you Know how we Felt for 8 Long years with Bush.Its about Time the Top Wealthy pay their Share, We the Middle class have Been Paying for so long were Getting wiped out!While the Rich got off easy. Go President Obama oh and wing nuts Calm down it will be Ok!”
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Dear Ms. Clueless,
When rich people get taxed, they don’t sit there and take it. They pass it on to EVERYBODY. They raise their prices to the poor. They lay-off middle income people. If for once in your life you would stop and think things through, and quit being jealous of people who have the skills to make it in life, maybe you wouldn’t be so bitter. By the way, I am middle income and not rich.

I needed a laugh today.. The comments here are providing it.
ECON 101 People. All taxes make it to the personal level by way of inflation.

Posted by: Paul | Feb 26, 2009 12:57:11 PM
Wow, Karl Marx would be very proud of you.

“$4 billion – information reporting for rental payments”
Does this apply to Congressman Charlie Rangel??
Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia, and Venezuala love this idea!
Significantly reduced incentives to produce oil in the US = MORE foreign oil!!

This says the new taxes are on people making more than $250K. I thought the new rate was for FAMILIES making more than $250K. Meaning the higher rates apply to individuals making $125K per year.
Which is it?

The mistake the vulnerable and ignorant people are making, is to think that Barack Obama is acting in the best interests of the Amreican people. He is not. He is acting in the best interest of some global utopian concept that isn’t real, but one that will take a revolution to accomplish. That is what Karl Marx wanted. There is no difference between Marx and Obama. The goal is the subjugation and oppression of the middle class and the wealthy so that we will all be uniformly miserable. He and his ilk will be in power. That is Marxism.

Here is what happened November 4, 2008–
We got what 53% of American voters wished.
Karl Marx smiled.

Waaaa!!!
Now I have less incentive to short companies and wipe out any equity they have!!
Waaaaa!!!

Who is John Galt?

We will lose the ability to determine our own destiny. There will be no incentive for the poor to better themselves except to throw off the shackles of government. The United States will no longer be the land of liberty and opportunity for all. It will be the land of government bureaucrats.

$133.7 Billion in new taxes against the oil and gas industries.
Stick it to the Oil companies!
Never mind it will be you and me that pay all of that tax at pump and hidden in every single product you buy at a store.

“Why not start with suspending all aid to foreign countries? There is no reason in my book to pump millions or billions into other countries (i.e. Pakistan) when that money would eliminate a huge portion of the debt. Taxing people even more when they are struggling as it is, is not the way to handle this. STOP SPENDING!!!”
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Yeahh…this won’t happen, Obama plans to double foreign aid to $50 Billion

“They should get rid of stock and have the businesses report to a government agency who will make sure they are run in thwe best interest of the people. ”
WOW!
Have government force businesses to run in the ‘best interest of the people’? The people who have NOTHING to do with the businesses, who had nothing to do with starting them, investing in them, working in them, managing them…those people? This may be the flat out dumbest idea I have read yet on the economy. Hey, genius, businesses are not started and run with the notion of being in the best interest of ‘the people’. State run business structures and markets are generally referred to as communism…and there is not one communist ECONOMY that has succeeded (china isn’t a communist economy).

I wonder if anything is going to be done about all the soft money that is tax free for all the politicians. Oh that’s right, they all report all the perks and money to the I.R.S. as income earned!
All they have to do if caught is claim a mistake their bookkeeper made! It’s worked for how many of Obama’s made in Israel choices?

This amounts to taxation without representation: we are no longer represented in congress. We are being ruled by dictators trying to keep power. Boston Tea Party, here we come!

You get what you vote for. Perhaps this is the “Change” you wanted.

Waaaaaa!!!
Now I’ll actually have to pay taxes rather than writing off 100% of them.
Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

muahahaha…
i’m an artist and i’ve always lived in a bad economy..uh..by choice i guess..its not that bad..get used to it..you can still find much happiness in simpler things..change things around..change your life..stop buying into the illusion that you need so much to live. true this has come to be because of the entire system and consumers recklessness and general greed and addiction and the a holes we’ve put in on both sides of the fence.. they’re all scratching each others back. you’ll never get what they say they’re going to do. hope and change..what did you expect? it was the biggest hook line and sinker scam i’ve ever seen and it worked..take a deep breath and rethink your life!

“A government large enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have”
- Thomas Jefferson (spinning in his grave)

Doug,
that is true we got what 53% of america wanted thank back to Nov of 2000 when Bush they thank won but who knows because all the votes were not counted and we got what only 49% of america wanted
Here is what happened November 4, 2008–
We got what 53% of American voters wished.
Karl Marx smile

So now Republicans can run in 2010 on the platform that they’ll cut the 400bn budget by eliminating 9000 pork earmarks. They’ll cut the budget by re-doing the stimulus bill and save almost 800bn, and they’ll reduce taxes by 900bn. Hard to argue with that kinda logic…especially when all the Democrats Congress (and now Pres) has brought us is trillions upon trillions of debt since they took Congress (w Sen Obama) in 2006.

Bad things about to happen
1. U.S. Companies are NOW taxed at 40%. Europe taxes theirs at 30%, offshore (VERY LEGAL)at 15% (see Garmin GRMN symbol for proof) They headquarter in Caymen, manufactor in China, and warehouse in Olathe Kansas. Lots of jobs in all three places. Some will say pass laws to stop this, OK then, say goodbye to Sony. Toyota, and a few others. Either you have trade or not. Most of the stuff we need, we cannot produce anymore.
2. Say goodbye to the value of the dollar. When the asian’s and pacific rim, the germans and other thrifty souls see us busily printing money we don’t have and pouring it down a drainpipe (longer unemployment is a disposible) it is gone after use, they will not respect the dollars…so in the end inflation will go banana’s. It is really not inflation, but deflation of the dollar (thats another little trick government plays on you) In Mexico or elsewhere it is called deflation of currancy.
3. The start of class economic separtation. Businesses like Walmart hate unions and their demands for inefictiony. There is a loss of respect when one or a group of many within YOUR business start trying to tell you how to run it. Smart companies just build machines to replace the people.
4. Less money for private charities, let the government help them, thats what they voted for (300,000 per trip home for Nancy Pelosi and her San Francisco bunch)
5. The impoverishment of fixed income Americans. Let the old people die like they do in europe
Sooo, dear fellow americans, ya better get off your chair before this no name, no experienced empty smooth talking fellow talks you into a mess such as America has never seen.
NOT to mention his silence on American security AND his huge 10X foriegn aid.
Mostly Africa i think, is that not racist?

Democrats mistakenly assume these tax increases will not slow down government tax revenue.

My bad…its only $22.8 billion against Oil and Gas.
Nonetheless, we’ll all still be paying for it.

Finally, the financial crisis explained in a way we can understand
Heidi is the proprietor of a bar in Berlin. In order to increase sales, she decides to allow her loyal customers – most of whom are unemployed alcoholics – to drink now but pay later. She keeps track of the drinks consumed on a ledger (thereby granting the customers loans). Word gets around and as a result increasing numbers of customers flood into Heidi’s bar. Taking advantage of her customers’ freedom from immediate payment constraints, Heidi increases her prices for wine and beer, the most-consumed beverages. Her sales volume increases massively.
A young and dynamic customer service consultant at the local bank recognizes these customer debts as valuable future assets and increases Heidi’s borrowing limit.
He sees no reason for undue concern since he has the debts of the alcoholics as collateral.
At the bank’s corporate headquarters, expert bankers transform these customer assets into DRINKBONDS, ALKBONDS and PUKEBONDS. These securities are then traded on markets worldwide. No one really understands what these abreviations mean and how the securities are guaranteed. Nevertheless, as their prices continuously climb, the
securities become top-selling items.
One day, although the prices are still climbing, a risk manager (subsequently of course fired due his negativity) of the bank decides that slowly the time has come to demand payment of the debts incurred by the drinkers at Heidi’s bar.
However they cannot pay back the debts.
Heidi cannot fulfill her loan obligations and claims bankruptcy.
DRINKBOND and ALKBOND drop in price by 95%. PUKEBOND performs better, stabilizing in price after dropping by 80%.
The suppliers of Heidi’s bar, having granted her generous payment due
dates and having invested in the securities are faced with a new
situation. Her wine supplier claims bankruptcy, her beer supplier is
taken over by a competitor.
The bank is saved by the Government following dramatic round-the-clock
consultations by leaders from the governing political parties.
The funds required for this purpose are obtained by a tax levied on the non-drinkers.
Finally an explanation we can all understand…

Calm Down Right Wing Nuts regardless Of what Rush tells you It will be Ok!

Notice all the tax incentives that are disappearing for oil and gas companies? This is Obama’s way to drive the price of Gas to a level that will finally compete with these renewable energy sources. Remember $4 gal gas in 2008? Say hello to $6 gal gas in 2011…or more!
For 2010 the Republicans need to clean house for whoever is up for re-election. I’m sorry but this mess we are in is the governments fault! NOT MINE!!! Not to mention I had to apologize to my 9 year old this morning for his having to pay for this when he gets older.
GOD HELP US!

As to the top tax bracket, just ask yourself: Would you still want to make over $250,000 a year if you knew you had to pay 39.6% taxes on the income above $250,000 instead of 36%? If the answer is no, you may want to get yourself tested for brain damage. I’m looking at you here, John Galt. -neil
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Duibuqi, wo yijing…oh sorry, got confused for a moment, I was just on the phone to China. As for your question, it’s the marginal difference. It’s not just the money, but the time involved. Let’s say $250,000 is the cutoff for a change from 35% tax to 40% tax. That means if this person earns $1, they go from keeping $0.65 to keeping $0.60. Except, they could also not work. Not working used to cost them $0.65, now it costs $0.60. Just made not working cheaper, so yes, on the whole, people will work fewer hours.
Not me though, I am moving to China!

This is so sad. I lost my job 18 months ago and dont qualify for unemployment. I’m working part-time jobs and we are trying to save every penny we can so we can move out of this country. We dont know where we’ll move yet but it will be somewhere that is friendlier to small businesses. I know that many liberals threatened to do this if Bush was reelected in the early 2000′s. The difference is we mean it and hope we’ll be gone in about 5 years.
I never imagined that my country would hate being a world leader but they seem to want us to be mediocre like the rest of the world.
I’m am so very sad for this country and the uninformed masses.

Ah yes, name calling. The last bastion of the small mind.
A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an idea.

What happens if the 2% of tax payers targeted to pay for Obama’s folly decide they don’t want to partipate? Oh, wait, someone already wrote that book.

Straight up theft. The only thing being stimulated is Central Planning.
We knew who Obama was going into this election, so you can’t blame him. The real blame is on the feet of the Republicans for being so feckless on meaningful reform while in power. My real anger is that those who subverted the Contract with America…particularly those in the party who care more about things like Terry Schiavo and banning gay marriage, etc…you are the ones to blame.

People,
He’s taxing rent.

Scott,
Your forgot to mention the Republican revolution that started in ’95. That’s why the economy look so good then.

DRUDGE
I believe your Party has already done that Destroy this Country!

To Joe the CEO..yeah right..LOL
Calm Down Right Wing Nuts regardless Of what Rush tells you It will be Ok!
Joe go climb back in the hole you came out of your socialist. The right wing nuts you refer to are the LOYAL OPPOSITION and I will speak the truth about the lies your savior Obama speaks.

Calm Down Right Wing Nuts regardless Of what Rush tells you It will be Ok!
Posted by: Angie in PA | Feb 26, 2009 1:08:48 PM
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The unfortunate news for you, Angie in PA, is that we are going to be indeed OK; it is you who are going to be enjoying the pleasure of paying $4/g gasoline to offset whatever you get from pb0.

Please folks, stop ruining the good name of Robin Hood. Remember, Robin Hood took TAX MONEY that the GOVERNMENT that confiscated it and gave it back to the PEOPLE that EARNED IT.

Waaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
Now, indirectly, he’s going to tax profits from my company that builds and leases and rents to other companies. It’s nothing new but I’ll just say it is.
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

People making $250,000 and over don’t get paid hourly….geezus there are some stupid people in here
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I can see why our nation is in crisis. People earning $250,000 per year probably own their own business or work in a highly demanding field, probably 60-80 hours per week or more. They’re not paid hourly, but if they work less hours they will make less money.

…why is it, Mr. Tapper, that you’re the only journalist doing his/her job? Is there something seriously wrong with the news industry?

Waaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
How will I ever buy more diamonds from Belgium now?
My wife needs more diamonds!!!
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one EARNS millions of dollars. Basically anyone whose income is in the millions benefits from the labors of others who make much less. We have a system that can be GAMED which results in an unfair distribution of wealth. I have no problem with greater wealth going to those whom make a greater contribution but there is a huge disconnect in wealth vs real contribution. Taxes are one simple way to correct this obvious corruption.
Posted by: Igor | Feb 26, 2009 12:36:52 PM
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And who created all those jobs? The guy w/ the millions to begin w/ who risked his money to create a business. Or, in many m ore cases, a poor guy who worked hard, risked everything he had, and through dedication to task, was able to build a big business that eventually employs lots of people. You’re telling me those people aren’t allowed to benefit from this?
More to the point a guy who schemed and brown nosed his way to be a CEO of a large corperation. Thru mutual comfortable arrangements with his board he now earns 350,000,000 a year. The American dream? Not my America. I am a Republican not the Rush variety. I believe in fair payment for effort.

Angie in PA,
Murtha was right about his constituents!!!!

Eric Broden, the government has been “taxing” rent for decades. We all pay the same taxes but homeowners get tax breaks.
Buy your children gold bars and Mandarin lessons.

Lou is an idiot.

In 3 years my last kid will be out of the house and in college. I will be moving my business overseas.
There is no use staying here anymore, this has become a nation of idiots.

I think Obama and Pelosi are counting on Americans to become numb to the amount of money they are spending.
Hoping we won’t notice how much money is being wasted in the name of recovery.
But it’s only the BO supporters that have their heads in the sand–in total denial or just don’t care what he is doing to this country.

The person far above had the right idea.
If the Republicans that were in power for the last ten years had actually been concerned with fiscal responsibility and small government, we would’ve seen it.
The problem is now that NEITHER SIDE IS CONSERVATIVE. One side is liberal and spend-happy (as we knew), and the other has been literally consumed by religious ideology and the “defense” industry. They care far more about making sure a lesbian can’t visit her partner in the hospital than making sure job opportunities continue to exist.
Solution? STOP ELECTING NEOCONS. START ELECTING LIBERTARIANS TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

These taxes are insanity. And they put the lie to Obama’s claim that we will reduce dependence on foreign oil. It will increase our dependence and send gas prices and all other prices soaring. Guaranteed to make more problems.

Do you all realize if someone makes $250K they will be taxed $100K…And then FICA and medicare taxes, state taxes, property taxes, local taxes…When do we actually get to keep OUR money??? That equates to over 50% of our income going to taxes. And then they give it to those who don’t get off the couch to actually try to make a living.

The godless Dem’s are here… the nation is under seige… some noble leader please take over and save us. God help us.

Waaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
I want a new ski-resort in Austria to hide my income.
Now I can’t afford the new ski resort!!!
Waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama is totally out of control and over his head. This is not community organizing in Chicago! Where is Tony Rezko to smooth everything over?

New taxes? Or are we just getting back to where we were before the GOP ran the country into the ground by putting everything on the govt charge card?

REVOLT!

Good point about charities… here is a more important one.
I live in the OC where the average 3000sq ft 4-5 bedroom home (tract home, not a McMansion) is about $750,000. This is down from about $950,000 since 2006. In one hand, Obama wants to give tax dollars away to stop forclosures, but if he reduces the itemized write off by 20% that includes mortgage interest, then people like me (single income earner with 3 kids and a $4000 mortgage- just the interest part) now will lose about $800 in tax incentives.
This is going to put downward pressure on home prices because this affect affordability. When the 3000sq foot home drops from $750k to $700k, the smaller home, the townhouse and the condo all fall in line and lose value because why would I pay $700k for a 2500sq ft house if the 3000sq ft house dropped to $700k. Its literally a house of cards.
It translates into a big WASTE of tax payer dollars. Spend money to prop up a market that you have rigged to fail by removing the incentive for the people that actually have good credit and a 20% down payment to actually buy homes.
We bought a box of crackerjacks, and all we got was this lousy President!!!!

Now today the Damocrats annouced that they will seek a ban on any rifle or gun that is semi automatic. Do you know why? because the middle class and poor are next and they are armed. WAKE UP AMERICA! Get off the prozac! By the way did Obama tell you that he signed a Presidential order stating that all this stimulis money from Gov go to Union shops? Yes he did. Did he tell you that when you repal the Bush tax cuts that when you die and leave your home that you worked for to your children will now be 60% of the Governments? NO the inheritance tax will be reinstated. So You stupid Americans that voted for him will all be living in low income Gov houses. While Obam is long gone with his book deal back to Africa or India with his millions and DUAL citizen ship that he has. SHAME on ALL OF you who voted to take my pay check. You deserve the CHANGE you will end up with no house, no savings.
Idiots

If I were Obama, the first thing I would do would be to dismiss these greedy Republican wackos from Congress and bring in people who will represent us commmon people. The house and senate is filled with blue blooded rich people who want all the breaks to themselves.

God I hate dishonest liberals that claim tax credits are the same as tax cuts. Once and for all: a tax CUT means the government says “my bad about the confiscation” and hands you back YOUR MONEY. A tax CREDIT is SOCIAL ENGINEERING where the government says “my bad, but instead of giving you back your money, I’ll give you a little bit back if you first do this desired behavior for me”. It’s not really that hard to see the difference. Tax credits are coercion and social engineering that have no place in a free market economy.

I for one am glad ‘the one’ will tax rent. MAYBE the Drones will wake up then!

Will has the right idea.
Remove as many Dems as possible in 2010. At least remove the ones who just voted for the latest earmark scam. Noticed there were 20 blue dog dems that voted against it. They may want to change parties soon.

Obama is a crazy crazy man that is for sure. I hope Americans wake up soon.

The Obama administration is quickly setting itself up to be as big a disaster as the Bush administration.
Maybe they’ll parade him around the nation to sell this regressive budgetary nightmare once public opinion turns against it.
Prepare to bend over and make your ‘O’-face as you Obey the Obama.

I am so pleased. After working diligently for 30 years, paying my taxes, paying for my mortgage, putting my kids through school, and saving for my retirement, i can finally quit doing all those things. I can now quit my job, stop paying taxes, stop paying my mortgage, and can sit back and let the government take care of me until i die. I am a very happy

He has just spent more money than Bush in the whole 8 yrs of office INCLUDING the war. He is a dictator.

Now I’m sure the Democrats will lose power in 2010. What a moron!

Hey Judy, Waaaaa….myself all my co-workers just got pink slips. Our jobs creating and mainaining private aircraft have been downsized, thanks to politicians..waaaa…

I’m a rich guy. I want to urge all my fellow rich guys to work for free. Donate ALL your earnings to the government, they’re so in the hole. You know what that’s like, it sucks.
Oh, hold on…what? It’s not enough to cover the government’s bill?
OK.
Hi. I’m a rich guy. I want to urge the middle class to pay more because even if I, and all my fellow rich guys donate all our money, it’s still not enough to pay for all the wonderful Obama programs. Please, do it for the state.
Still not enough?
That’s brutal.

Here comes the real depression. No one……not anyone was ever taxed into prosperity.

ANGIE- Nobody said we wanted OR DO WE HAVE Trickle down economics.
Clinton years- bottom bracket was 15%, top bracket 39%.
Bush Tax cuts- Bottom bracket was 10%, top bracket 35%. (the bottom bracket paid 1/3 less taxes and the top 1% increased their percentage of total taxes paid, not reduced)
Obama ran on the idea we would just let the Bush tax cuts expire and go back to what we had in the Clinton years, but thats not what he is doing.
He wants to KEEP the Bush rates for lower bracket of 10%, but raise the top bracket back to 39% and when you reduce write offs it jacks the rate to about 44%.
I Live in CA so thats 44% federal, 10.25% state, plus 11% for FICA, SS, Disability… so I am paying 65% of my income in taxes, and THEN I pay 8% sales tax on anything I buy except food here in the OC, and 46 cents gas tax (about 20%). Why I am I working so hard???
I made $60k in 2000, paid $10k in Taxes.
I made $120k in 2004, paid $17k in taxes.
I made $220k i n2008, paid $40k in taxes
My business did well in 2008, I earned $350k, and I will pay well over $130k in taxes.
I am guessing that in 5 of the last 8 years I paid more taxes than you will in your entire life, and I am sending my kids to private school at my expense because the schools here are over crowded (just doing my part to relieve the state of the burden of having to endoctrinate, er, I mean educate my child)
I have never taken one cent in unemployment, I dont cheat on my taxes, I VOLUNTARILY donate thousands to charities every year, and I am a 37 year old musician, business owner, not some 60 year old cigar smoking racist… I AM the average conservative, not the stereotypes that you left wing nuts keep talking about.
I started my business 3 years ago and employ up to 80 people at any given time, creating jobs in several states, and I give my employees PPO not HMO benefits… jeez… I am such a slime ball!!!!

Our business is growing despite the economic insanity taking place, however a few weeks ago we started laying people off—basically any we suspected of being a democrat–who were not exceeding their objectives
If the conservatives don’t stop this madness in 2010 we are closing the doors for good.
Laugh all you want but that’s about 50 people who won’t have above average paying jobs anymore. many more like me out there.
Some of us are tired of being slaves and having our production taken from us to support people who should never even have been born.
I wait with anxious curiosity to see what happens when the people who actually pay the bills for this country just quit.
It’s coming

TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS DOES NOT AND HAVE NOT WORKED! WE HAVE TRIED IT LOOK AT THE RESULTS!
Then all that stimulus spending on government projects isn’t going to “trickle down” into the private sector too much, right?

Got tax worries? Just consult Robert Wolf, CEO UBS Americas, Obama ‘funds bundler’ and member of the messiah’s Economic Recovery Advisory Board. After all, UBS has all the right ideas about their clients avoiding income tax. Ask for Bradley Birkenfeld — oh wait, he pled guilty to this scheme already.
I love transparency. Soon all our wallets will be transparent.

Obama may be a fraud, but it is Republicans who created this mess – the staggering debt AND the failures that made possible the charlatan Obama.
Enjoy the ride right-wingers – it is your creation!

I hope the libs feel good now, they’ve gotten what they’ve always wanted and were to lazy to move to Europe to get it for themselves.

BO is a self-admitted drug abuser. NIH (National Institute of Health) studies show that the maturity levels of youthful users is permanently arrested at the age when abuse took place. We are dealing with a teenager here!!! He is an idealistick PUNK!!! He needs to be removed from office, or forced to stay in his hole and shut his obnoxious mouth.

Besides the huge inflationary problem printing all this extra money will cause, and the fact that the bailout does more to reinforce the bad behavior than correct it (because, hey, the government will step in and cover the debts – see AIG who needs yet another $60B). Tax increases will hurt charities, which will cause a need for yet another government program to pick up the slack, hurt consumers and jobs, as small business, and large for that matter, are going to find a way to make the profit that are losing out on due to increased taxes either by (1) increasing the price of goods, (2) cut jobs (expenses), (3) move off shore to a more business friendly environment which means a lot of out of work people.
In addition, it is not just the increase in marginal rates that those making $250k or more are disincentivized with, it is also the elimination of the itemized deductions. That is a large hidden tax increased tax hike right there. No mortgage interest deduction, property tax deduction, charitable deduction, health care costs, etc. So the effective tax increase is substantially more than the base 6% that one would originally think. Look at the package.
On a whole, with what is currently going on with a proposed central government and money being printed like water, I weep for my children. I just hope that since a President can’t enact anything (please note all Bush haters, and I was very much not a Bush fan, either of the 2 Bush’s, they actually didn’t do anything, it is Congress that passes all the laws, statutes, taxes, etc.) that enough “Tea Parties” will occur and enough people will call their local Congressman to stop the legislation from actually passing and, if not, that when elections come around in 2 years we elect those that can help reverse the current trend.

words of wisdom from Dr. Adrian Rogers Of Bellvue Baptist Church, Memphis, TN:
“You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”

Someone near the top, “reader”, asks how greedy are you? to the people who make a lot of money and wish to keep their money…well, maybe this person is forgetting what our government has turned into, a shareholding enterprise that may just be the greediest of all business in America. Remember, our government is buying out some of the largest financial institutions in America using our tax dollars…so when you take out a loan, you’re paying intrest on your own tax money…screwed up. The amount of money being thrown around is out of control, all in light of “recovery”. I’m not being narrow minded, I’m looking at the facts and I’m worried about the type of power our government is gaining each day. It is absolutely exponential. I honestly do not know how anyone can justify this kind of spending…oh yeah, by way of taxes. That makes complete sense…right?

Can’t you just feel all the love here? Just makes me want to go out and hug a hornet’s nest.

I chuckle to myself when I hear Obama and the democrats say, no more tax breaks to companies that ship jobs overseas. The USA already has the highest corporate taxes in the world and now they want to add even more. So why would companies want to do business here if they can go some place else that is far less expensive?

How do libs get things so screwed up?
I’ve read in these comments where not only are they excited that the “rich white” people now get to suffer, but that this is all the fault of the conservatives to begin with.
What? Am I missing something?
For the most part the so called “rich” in this country got there through sacrifice and hard work. Something that these liberals don’t understand.
To a lib a hard days work is standing around at the water cooler all day dodging their bosses at their government jobs.

What abject supidity. The majority of the tax deductions being repealed on oil and gas exploration will simply shut down most of the exploration. That means NO REVENUE to tax. The Feds will LOSE massive amounts of revenue as a result.

Can someone please explain to me how tax cuts would help the millions of unemployed Americans to get back on their feet in the near future? I don’t follow how tax cuts help someone with no job…

I’m bent over and tired of excepting this stimulation. This is going to hurt this country for years.

Dear King George, sorry about that Boston Tea Party -our bad – seems Obama wants to steal more from us hardworking Americans than you Redcoats. Heck and David Axelrod is Obama’s General Sir Banastre Tarleton.
Obama is making Mugabe seem like a saint.

Rooseveldt + Carter on Socialist Steroids.
Brace yourselves for a long hard bad time.
Or resist.

Greed ! … on my part…. really ! Sounds like the Gov’t is greedy to me… Like Omentum said, stimulus in reverse. As for the so called “rich’…. Who are the rich ? Given the elimination of the Itemized Deduction (read no more deductions for Mortgage %, Health care costs, Real Estate taxes, State taxes etc…)….. my friend, the rich, is Y-O-U !!! Welcome to a socialistic style of government. You wanted change… you got it…

Or how about we just allow those that voted for Obama pay all these new taxes? They can have the “free” money (i.e. OUR money) that the government seems so eager to give.

Give Obama’s plan a chance?? Just look toward history to get the answer on weather this will work…
The Pelosis, Rieds, Obamas seem to have the reasoning of a child..a child sees the cookie; therefore, wants the cookie and will do anything to get the cookie without first considering the consequences of that cookie…spoiled appetite for a healthy meal…cavities…obesity…
Take farming subsidies which were introduced in the 1930′s..They are used to CONTROL PRICES of our agriculture commodities (food/clothing.) Obama wants to limit those subsidies to farmers who make 500,000 and less; however considering million dollar farming operations account for nearly 50 percent of farms today and farms with $250,000 or above are 76 percent….will any thinking person needs to take pause and ask themselves how will this affect our food prices and supplies….But Obama wants the cookie and the cookie he shall have..perhaps not our kids however..

Reader, do you realize that when you attempt to crush the people that provide the jobs you actually make jobs disappear?
“…second, so many of those tax cuts have no effect on 90% of americans. how many of you will be paying superfund taxes, or didn’t have to pay superfund taxes under bush? so, just because there may be nearly $1 trillion in taxes set to expire or be repealed does NOT mean that there will be $1 trillion in new taxes…”
No effect? Who are you kidding? Do you think they are going to take this one in the shorts? NO! They are going to reduce their staffs (a.k.a. job loss) and raise the prices of their goods (a.k.a. now you can’t afford basic needs). Apparently the $65/month “extra” we will get is going to make up for all the income, oh wait, a lot of us won’t have jobs!
Way to think that one through.

Who knew liberals could be so damned cruel. They label conservatives as mean, they need to look at themselves.
Just read some of these comments.
Angie from PA I’m sure you see yourself as a well educated person. Your pointing to the lack of education of people in the South? The same south that has been historically Democrat? The same south that had the same congressmen that pushed for the first NEW DEAL that put them in the state they are now?
Read a few history books before opening your mouth woman.

Joe the CEO will be going waaaaa! when all the people who did business with him don’t have a business anymore because of the taxes. Hey Joe, it never works and besides the richest 1% in this country account for 75 to 80& of the taxes. TAX THE POOR, they drain society more than the rich!

VOTE ‘EM OUT!
Several posters are on the right track. I will vote against every incumbent who voted for this ridiculous spending spree.
VOTE ‘EM OUT!!!!!

Can someone please explain to me how tax cuts would help the millions of unemployed Americans to get back on their feet in the near future? I don’t follow how tax cuts help someone with no job… Posted by tice
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Simple economics really. When was the last time you got a job from a poor person? Lowering taxes both personal and business frees up capital giving businesses and individuals more flexibility to expand business and invest in their businesses. By doing that they create jobs allowing that unemployed person to get back to work. Taking money away from them has the reverse affect. Business contracts, more jobs evaporate.
The fact that you don’t know that makes me weep for the state of education in the US.

The first comment on the top – explain it all.
That person doesn’t understand how possibly tax cuts can help creating the jobs !!!!!
Remind you – people like this VOTE !!!!
Very good indication that this person voted for Obama.

Everybody needs to quit their jobs and let Government take care of them, the way Obama seeks to reward the Lazy unachievers amongst us now. We can all buy million dollar houses, Porsches, and yachts, then have our fellow citizens (that are stupid enough to work hard and pay taxes) pay for them for us through Obamas idiotic policies. Seriously EVERYBODY should quit their jobs..it shuts the Government down. And then we can take back our FREE Country form the communists who have infltrated the democrat party and the media. Laugh now, but within two years you will seriously consider what I am advocting..otherwise, I predict you face a bloody civil war in our own streets…I can see that the angry US Citizen will be hunting down and executing the liberals in the streets for the high treason they committed by stealing our liberties,and destroying our FREE Nation. Even members of the the current media will try to hide, because we all know how they deliberately allowed the traitors to assume control of the Government, I can see all being executed for high treason by hiding the facts about what Obama was really doing,the raping of american wealth, protections, and freedoms. No I dont want to see it for real…it will be too horrible…but it looks like this is what liberalism brings..ironic isnt it. Isnt it the lberals who are anti-war, anti-gun? Me thinks they will be defenseless against the angry mob if that happens. Yikes

We need action.
No more talking: action.
They will not be impressed by words: they used them to lie all he time.
Action – Action – Action.
Our enemies are sitting down laughing looking at us self-destroy.
Action!

tice,
When people have more money to spend in their pockets, they usually do. Where do people spend money? Businesses. What do businesses do when they have money? They either:
A) Expand (More jobs either for construction or hiring)
B) Pay thier employees more (more money in pockets to spend at businesses)
C) Produce more. (More things to sell which means they may need to expand or pay thier employees more)
D) Buy more from suppliers (meaning the supplier may need to expand / pay their employees more / produce more).
E) Run of with the cash (But it will still get spent at some point).
Less taxes = more spending by consumers = more jobs needed to handle demand

Since the early 1900′s and the expansion of petroleum technology the human life span has doubled.
Wind and solar as viable means of producing energy went the way of the horse and buggy because they were antiquated. That means they don’t work kool aid slurpers.
Millions of people perish every year because they don’t have access to economically sustainable energy sources.
The greening of energy sources will make food collectivisation in the Soviet Union appear as successful as MacDonalds.

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich

I’m moving my business over sees. Have fun cannibalizing your economy America.

You people that think what Obama is spending is a good thing, think about this: Every American Adult could have been cut a check for 15 to 20,000 dollars for less than what they are spending. Do the math, you will see. This money is only going to help their donor buddies and make more people dependent on the government. If this really was meant to help the economy, this money would have went to US, not to keep bailing out their buddies, and the dems are just as guilty as the republicans. Think of how each of us getting a check for that much would have stimulated the economy, and probably would have pulled the rest of the world out of the recession also. There would be no sector of the economy that would not have been affected. There would be no excuses for bailouts. Cars would be sold, debt would be paid, freeing up credit, manufacturers would have to hire, etc. Combine that with tax breaks for businesses, and it would have been self-perpetuating.
You people that believe that Obama is doing this for us are flat out wrong. IF it was for us, the money would have come to us, and WE would have stimulated the economy from the bottom up. If they are going to spend this much anyhow, why not give us OUR money back to solve the problems?

Lying Liberal Scumbags!

Remember, very few politicians pay their own taxes!!! Ever wonder how they all get so wealthy!!! We need to be more observant…there isn’t a poor politician around for long!!!
Ignorance astounds me when it comes to taxes…very few even understand the tax code. But all you who think $250,000.00 is rich can’t even guess how much these folks have to pay each year!!! You just want them to pay….well the $ amount is disgusting…seeing all the waste our government spends it on….”The chickens will come home to roost….”
And to these enviro wacko’s who don’t want us to drill because of global warming….what a joke….Take a good look at Dubai today…that is your American dollars at work…Google it …I dare you. Drilling is drilling, why is it ok to drill there and not here…. Oh I know!!! kickbacks to our politicians!!! Selling of our country to third world nations!!!! Funding Al Gore’s family business… for solar panels that cost $30,000 and reduce your elec bill by $30… Great investment!!! WAKE UP This is all about changing the Rockefellers to the new Socialist Liberal Elite….who want way more than money…. They want to control every part of your life…..But do a little research before you’re completely duped…..These pie in the sky liberals are also getting very rich off of your backs.

Yay socialism.
All that money that was going to be saved in “taxcuts” plus thousands more can leave my family’s dinner table to fund obama’s new deal. I feel so cheated…

Waaaaaaa!!!!
I’m going to have to pay the same amount in taxes I did 10 years ago!!!
Waaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

“Help and equalize”????
Who was helping and equalizing me when I was going hungry and going without to pay my way through college? Who was helping and equalizing me when I was working day and night to get ahead? Who was equalizing me when I missed my son’s soccer games so I could work to insure I was able to pay for his college?
You only want equal when it doesn’t involve any hard work and sacrifice on your part. You want equalizing when it involves taking from someone who has scraped and sacrificed and giving it to someone who sits with their hand out.

OMENTUM
Donnie and Marie hahah lolol, And lets not Forget Michael Steel is Gonna put a Little Hip Hop in their Party And Make it Off the Hook hahahahahahah ahahahahahahahah lolol
Posted by: Angie in PA | Feb 26, 2009 1:58:29 PM
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hahaha how could I forget MC STEELE
Yeeeaahh Booyeeeeeee!!!!!

I, like many,many others here are not the least bit surprised that a “Tax and spend” liberal Democrat is indeed going to tax and spend.And now,with his myrmidons and cult worshipers you people elected to the congress, he is able to do it in historic proportions like a kid deprived of candy for years trying to make up for lost time.

Some of my latently liberal, educated friends who voted for Change and Hope are, even this early in the game, having difficulty making eye contact with me these days. Just wait till it gets reaaaaaly bad in say, 3rd quarter ’10.
But I will never say “I tried to warn you.” Why bother.

Waaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
How will I afford all my trips around the world to spend my money in other countries now?
Waaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!

Between this “budget” and his “speech” the other night, you can see just how much Obama hates those who achieve. His visceral hatred for the hard-working and successful will bring this country to its knees. Obama is the most divisive and hateful president we have ever had, nd he’s clearly hoping to instill the same hatred in the hearts of the average American.
Obama won’t quit until there is another Krystal Nacht against the “rich” and we’re all poor because only the government has all the money

Obama’s Economic Master Plan = Trickle Up Poverty. This is the end of the American dream…

For all of those that think you should take from those that earn and give to those that dont, why not say thank you and stop complaining. Those “rich” people are already paying for those that sit a home and sponge off their hard work. For once, be greatfull and thank you tax-payer for all you already do for me.

time for atlas to shrug or maybe at least twitch a bit. maybe its time for the producers to sit home for a while. after all we have been told by the Dear Leader that prosperity and job creation comes from the bottom up. well, to quote Judge Smails, “were waiting.!”

Obama has secured the deal for me….My family and I are moving to Costa Rica in 2012 to make sure my son will have something to work for in the future. The Congress, with the two party dictatorship, are slowly strangling the American Middle Class. Now, with President Obama’s new tax and spend plans that will be rubber stamped by these Congressional nobles, I don’t believe that a positive future exists for my son. It appears that the American Golden age is over (1945-2008). RIP

But Bush’s tax cuts worked out so well! Look at what it has left us, why change anything?

The problem with believing whole-heartedly in trickle-down economics is that there is no logical ending point. If lowering taxes on business and rich people is ALWAYS a better idea, and raising them is ALWAYS a bad idea, then where is the ending point? The next logical step is that we should not tax businesses or rich people AT ALL, because (according to the trickle down theory), every time we cut their taxes, it creates an incentive for them to create jobs.
Taking the argument to its logical consequence, then, we should only be taxing people who don’t create jobs for others — low income employees. That way, governmental taxes won’t “impair” the ability of employers to create jobs.
On the other end of the spectrum, it is the demand of consumers that fuels growth. Absent consumer demand, it doesn’t matter how little we tax employers, if there aren’t enough consumers with money available to spend to spur economic growth. Which in turn spurs employment.
Obviously, there must be some balance. That balance is something that economists can debate endlessly, and every time the economic fundamentals shift somewhat, the answers may change.
Repealing the Bush tax credits, in and of itself, can’t be viewed as a step inconsistent with economic growth. The economy did flourish in the second Clinton administration — WITHOUT the Bush tax cuts — and we did achieve a balanced budget by the end of the Clinton administration — again, WITHOUT the Bush tax cuts. So arguing that repealing the Bush tax cuts is inherently and obviously bad – contradicts the empirical evidence.
The greater concern here is the unfortunate level of vitriolic hate emanating from many people. I do realize they would be happier, and less angry, if the election had gone the other way. But the issue of how to balance between competing interests is one that reasonable people do, indeed, differ over. And it is unfortunate, in my opinion, that some people are so intolerant of others’ views. And so unwilling to accept that after a fair, democratically held election in which so many people disagreed with them, a change in policies might be appropriate to take into account that their views did NOT carry the day.
There’s a balance there, too, which is difficult to achieve. But turning into screaming ideologues, and closing your minds to the reasonable, rationally held opinions of the MAJORITY of people who voted differntly than you — is neither productive, nor respectful of the American democratic process.

Name one person you know who got a job from a poor person. … Anyone??
Taxing the “rich” is a sure way to slow the economy even more. Simple economics … increase the price of something, you get less of it. Taxes are the “price” of economic activity.
Tax CUTS stimulate the economy (it worked for Kennedy, Reagan, and Bush.)
The American people elected this clown, based on soaring “feel good” rhetoric with no specifics. They ignored his far-left history, and projected all their own hopes for the future on the blank screen he offered. (Not unlike Jimmy Carter, really.)
I suspect Obama will be slightly less effective than Carter, in the long run. Both lacked executive management skills, had little experience in national economic or security matters, and believed the power of their “change” mantra would be enough. At least Carter had a strong moral base for this actions. BHO is more interested in how he can increase his power.
What else can we expect from a narcicist who published his own autobiography before he had accomplished anything?

This Soros and Weinstein funded idiot is going to destroy this country, then attempt to rebuild it in his own image – one that would make the founders roll over in their graves. His claim that he will have to come back to the voters in four years is specious – with the lopsided support of the mainstream media this guy will never be taken to task for his foolish mistakes.
And naturally – no matter what happens -the mainstream media – which is the real problem in America today. The main stream media, ABC included, consitutes one seamless whole.
What we need to challenge the anointed one is a dedicated conservative network – not something “fair and balanced” but something that is biased toward conservatives. A COMMERCIAL network – the libs did something like that and its called PBS.

Since it will take 10 years for Obama to learn the ins and outs of budgeting, as a previous commenter suggested, then perhaps he should be proactive, suggest repealing the 22nd Amendment, and become our President for Life. Why not? Venezuela did it. Heck, why don’t we just invade Canada, Mexico, and all of South America, united under the banner of Obama, and embrace the mantle of Empire which is so obviously set before us.
I can see it now… The United American Empire… UAE… That acronym’s free, isn’t it?

Do we get a bail-out if we can’t afford the Obama tax-hikes?…..I’m a middle-class family w/three kids and house and building a struggling business…Maybe I oughta just go on welfare!

A little over a month in office and this president is already proving to be a national disaster. I work two jobs, was putting away a good chunk of change for retirement, now, why bother. Anyone know where I can sign up for welfare? I suppose that’s the change I have to belive in.

Say goodbye to the small business. The price of EVERYTHING is going up; taxes are going up, inflation is going up, unemployment is going up, personal defaults are going up!!!! What happens when they run out of things to tax? Hmmmm!!!!! we will be there sooner than later folks.

But Bush’s tax cuts worked out so well! Look at what it has left us, why change anything?
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Those tax cuts were in response to 911. A terroist act that almost collapsed the financial markets, the cuts saved all people money and prevented it. Now the housing collapse is what has brought us to today. Its what happens when bubbles burst. Spending when you do have the money is stupid, doesnt matter what your party beliefs are.

President Obama
Thanks for keeping true to your words and spending the taxpayers money so foolishly, we appreciate you, and thank God you only have 1,423 days left on your term.
Please remember 2010 will also stifle your efforts because your spending and taxing methods employed strictly by a partisan congress Democrats, will allow the Republicans to gain control of Congress again, your lackeys will be going home for good. You will have proven we cannot afford your style of government.
Socialism works great until you run out of taxpayers money, then anarchy takes over, historically proven.

Well, America you got yourself led into electing this fool by the mainstream meda. Now you pay the consequences. Notice that WEALTH is not taxed which leaves the oligarchs who arranged for the annointed one to be elected are not going to be touched.
Well, we soon all share something together – poverty that is. Being middle class was fun while it lasted.

Wow
I am getting my house for free.
&
I lost my job.
My wife left me.
I will a check from Obama.
Life is good.

Obama’s magical math will work because he wills it to be so.
Didn’t you read the memo?

I thought I would be able to deduct the interest on my neighbors house given that Obama’s going to force me to pay for his house. Now I can’t even deduct interest on my own house.
Why do I work so hard? Is there any point to attending college and starting my own business.

It is times like these I feel our founding fathers knew the future better than we ever could.
The days or bareing arms to defend ourself against foes foreign and DOMESTIC are comming. One can only hope our men and women in the services choose to side with the few good and decent people left in this country, not the Media & Hollywood educated Democrats who think life is about equality and fairness.
Funny how Obama seems to be follwing the playbook that lead to the American Revolution. He already wants the assault weapon ban back in place so he can begin to disarm the American people… You can have it when I am dead

To all you clowns that voted for Obama and will lose your job in the next year. You got what you wanted so live with when your taxes go up next year. I will not be participating in the Obama recession nor will I follow his constant bilge. Thus I will be happy living my life at my current level and all you idiots can suffer, whine, and moan I George Bush screwed you over. Enjoy the next 4 years, I know I will while smoking a $20 Ashton ESG Cigar and drinking some 25 year old Scotch. Paul Harvey…Good Day LOSERS >>>>>>

Re: “No one is suggesting that we raise taxes to 90% for the reasons you have listed. That doesn’t mean the top tax rates shouldn’t be raised at all. The income distribution is simply too skewed to the rich right now and needs to be stabilized, expanding the middle class and (therefore) the true engine of our economy.”
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Why don’t you get it? There simply isn’t enough money to fund Obama’s Socialist plans. Even if you taxed the rich at 100% of their income, it would only pay for half of Obama’s spending increases.
The other half will fall like a sledgehammer on the middle class. Remember, Obama’s strategy is to look you in the face and lie to you. Read the Rulebook for Radicals. Read up on Obama, Cloward-Piven strategy.
You have been had. I’m afraid a second Revolution may not be far off.

I know everyone wants to complain about tax increase… But we’re in a massive financial situation and I can’t imagine that we can go on in a world of debt without dedicating some of our financial resources to paying it off. I own a small business and receive a significant portion of my income from capital gains. I have expected to see an increase in my taxes for a long time. Bush cut taxes and then spent tons of money and any person who has balanced a checkbook knows that type of behavior will bite you in the butt one day.

You left out the tax collected from the emissions cap and trade scheme. His budget assumes annual revenue of up to 300 billion dollars which will be passed on to the consumer.

He’s doing just what I said he would do. We’re doomed.

I can’t believe that the majority of Americans want this.
Steady,
Majority of Americans don’t want this and didn’t vote for this. Remember ACORN. They’re growing stronger with tax dollars everyday. Every state will look like Minnesota in the next election.

Bush is at fault for not taxing us more, borrowing too little, not increasing every department of government enough. Come on, if the government just hires us all for say 149,000 a year each, and we pay 50% tax we should be broke by lunch. As long as there is a contingency plan for beer production, i’m ok.
start growing your own food.

Obama loves Lincoln so much he wants to start his own Civil War! Thankfully demo’s don’t even know how a firearm works so this should be a one sided war

This nonesense Obama has planned for more taxes and socialized medicine is only the beginning. Just wait for cap and trade, courtesy of Al Gore and the global warming nut jobs. This will affect the cost of EVERYTHING. No one will be immune. Then there is Obama’s plans for free tuition for every college student, courtesy of the, all together now, American taxpayer. NUTS!

Hey Obama supporters…..how’s it working out for you? I really hope you didn’t intend on having a future or any financial success as you have given it away. Anyone having a little buyers remorse? There are history books full of facts that you should have taken the time to read. History can tell you what to watch for but you got so caught up in the speeches and flash you forgot there was no substance. You did this now own it! Unfortunately I will be there with you but with a clean soul. I did not support Obama or fall for any of his empty speeches. Remember the the phrase…”NOT IN MY NAME”? There you have it…Congratulations on your new President.

OK it’s like when we were in college (the last eight years) and we kept spending and borrowing like there was no tomorrow. Guess what….tomorrow has arrived and now we have to repay for the foolishness of the last 8 years. So get, give up and grow up. Did you really thing $1.50 gasoline and 105% mortgages with no income verification were the norm?

Any married couple with a 2 person family income over $250,000.00 is stupid to keep working. The person with the lower salary should quit working immediately! Why work if the government is going to steal your paycheck? QUIT! Then you won’t pay higher taxes and you can get all the free stuff that Comrad Osama promised! And whatever you do DON’T INVEST in the stock market because your capital gains will be stolen by the government.
DOW 3,000 – here we come!!!!

@ Alan:
I kinda like your preposition on tolerance. You libs keep on being tolerant, us conservatives will keep on being right.

In 1986 a 10% surcharge was placed on such luxury items as boats, cars, jewelry, etc. that cost above a certain dollar amount. In a few months that tax was repealed. Why? The rich avoided the tax (didn’t purchase, purchased used, etc.) and the workers who made the items were laid off because consumption fell off.
Tax deductions for the evil oil companies are being eliminated. Sounds great, right? Going green will not happen overnight. People will still need their cars (and be unable to afford fewer new ones) but the price of gas will go up. Do you think the evil oil companies will be hurt most with gas going up or will it be the common man?

I think that the real Devil is in the Details. Did anyone notice that quite a few of these tax increases will effect the Oil Drilling/Production/Refining Industries ? If you think last summers $4/gal gas was bad wait until this clown has run most of the oil companies out of the country and we are importing 100% of our oil from overseas.
Please don’t respond that we will soon all be driving electric cars. That won’t happen for years and we will still need oil for lots of other uses.

who cares about the rich…..this is payback time!!!!!!!!
Anyone earning over 100K should pay 50% taxes to help those not given the same opportunities in life.

The Day has Come for us to Pay for that Idiot Bush and his Spending Sprees and Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan THANKS A BUNCH BUSHIE!

Obama needs to visit California and see the outcome of LIBERAL ECONOMICS.
California has the highest taxes in the nation…and they still want to spend more.
Obama’s plan…in a nutshell:
TAX SPEND TAX TAX SPEND SPEND SPEND TAX TAX TAX SPEND SPEND SPEND TAX SPEND TAX SPEND

If the Democrats and liberals are so fiscally irresponsible, how is that we ended up with a budget surplus after the last Democratic administration and a trillion dollar deficit under the last Republican administration. Face it, the party you voted for in gave away (literally) the surplus, dropped taxes and spent like drunken sailors and left us in the situation we are in now. Kindly go sit in the corner and shut up while we try to fix things. The utter gall of you people is just mind boggling.

Obama has to be the dumbest President we have ever had. My God.
Where is Bush when you need him.

Well, this is a hell of a high price to pay for white guilt with a spritz of elitism! Can’t say that I have a Chris Matthew’s Homo=Erotic tingle at the moment. But a certain part of my body sure does itch, since this Chi-Town shake-down artist took over!

Marc, we already pay 50% of our money in taxes. Get informed. 40% to the feds and 10% to California.
My husband worked himself through 3 college degrees paying for it all on his own. Did you do that? What have you done that has been the least ambitious or to advance yourself? I grew up dirt poor, not with any silver spoon. However, I appreciate the smart and the ambitious. You are just jealous. However, all of you will be suffering as more jobs are lost as the so-called rich don’t spend. If you had a $250,000 income that you worked 60-70 hours a week for, woudl you like someone taking $125,000 of it away????

So when did $250K a year become “rich”? Someone making $250K is the same as someone making $10M? Really? Since when?
When did we decide as a Nation to punish the desire to get ahead and provide a good life for your family?
When did we decide to become a nation of thieves by robbing from the upper middle-class (notice I did NOT say “rich”) to give to others that maybe didn’t work as hard to get ahead?

///I do have a college degree.///
At $10/hr, that doesn’t bode well for the stature of accredidation for your college or your (likely) liberal arts degree. Again, supply vs. demand.
////I do not agree with socialism but I do agree with equality. ////
Espousing equal outcomes is socialism. They teach that at the good colleges.

Questions for the Ditto Heads on Board
Would you rather A Pay a Little more to Improve your Country and Get out of Bushes Debt
or B Would you rather Keep Borrowing from China and Other Countries and end Up China Owning us?

In these new taxes, I think everyone is overlooking the fact that Obama is capping tax deductions at 28%. We used to be able to deduct $1 for $1 on our taxes. For example./ if you give $100 to a charity, that was tax deductible. Now, only $28 of that will be tax deductible. Does Obama not realize that people are not going to be donating to charity anymore. This is a sad day for cancer research, aids research, diabetes research, etc. Wow, this is not a good scenario.

Don’t worry. When all is said and done, the great Messiah Obama will walk on water and raise the dead.

Atlass shrugged!

go Obama mow em over and send em to jail … although i think the chinese govt. has the appropriate punishment … and yes i will gladly pay for the bullets , the cancer that was the doofus manchild {gwb} and is the disaster team {gop} need to be rendered to a cia black op prison and introduced first hand to “enhanced interrogation techniques”

Where is Bush when you need him.
Posted by: Brian | Feb 26, 2009 2:37:20 PM
Who the hell needs him?
HOPEFULLY, he’s at his Crawford ranch, rusting away!

Economic Suicide.

Peace, Love and Trees will pay for everything, no worries people…
Let us blame Bush for the Wars in the middle east, is it also his fault that had we conquered the middle east and taken the resources as ours (making the war profitable at the expense of a lesser civilization) every left wing hippie would be crying outrage that we were so cruel and inhuman. God forbid the rest of the world condemns any of our actions because we don’t want a tarnished image…
News flash “All men are created equal” does not pertain to the whole world and is a privilege to American’s

If you cant bring the boys in the hood up then knock achievers down. The democrats MUST be thrown out.

@ Posted by: DaveS | Feb 26, 2009 2:27:04 PM
I am one of those people who stand to pay more in taxes… BUT… (and this is what people don’t think about…) there are tax incentives and write offs you can claim as a business.. or as a person making over 200k a year. If you are too stupid or lazy to persue those cuts, then yeah… you deserve to pay high taxes.
I’ve heard more whining from people this tax hike doesn’t even affect than people that it would. The guys that scream “No higher taxes” are the ones that wouldn’t pay them in the 1st place. It’s about fiscal responsibility.. personal responsibility… something this country has been sorely lacking in the past 15 or so years.

Brilliant! So in 10 years we will have paid off the stimulus package we just wasted money on, be back to where we were when Bush left office. No ground gained – just a wasted economy, people miserable for paying out the nose for nothing gained.

Espousing equal outcomes is socialism. They teach that at the good colleges.
Posted by: Cam Winston | Feb 26, 2009 2:40:06 PM
College degree is in Biology not a liberal arts, sorry to disappoint you. As to what I mean by I do not agree with socialism I mean I do not agree with the wages that some people earn in comparison to others. Our society is turning into an hour glass not a regular glass the middle class is weakening because of few mens decisions. I my pursuit of happiness is hindered while Paris Hilton’s Dog’s sweater is worth my months wages. The purse carried by some woman could take a family out of the ghetto.
I went to a private college so go ahead and think that it was a bad school but it was not a bad school. You can assume all you want about me but that does not make you right.

All this will do is give anyone that makes over $250,000/year sufficient time to vacate the U.S. before 2011 leaving everone else holding the bag.

Dave, I am one who will pay more too, but what you don’t seem to realize is that higher taxes, especially on businesses always = higher prices on goods sold to the public. I don’t care how many credits, writeoffs, etc that you want to count. If you don’t believe me then pick up a history book and review every recession we have been through. You can’t argue with 100% facts. Good luck and I am glad you are glad to pay these morons more $.

No more itemized deductions? Does that mean that making donations to charities for the tax write off will no longer be necessary? Way to go Obama! Would anyone care to calculate how much each second of Obama as President has cost this country to date?
You wonder what world these schmucks are living in.
I laugh because I remember back when I took macro economics in college, that one of the first principles of economics that seems to be covered in textbooks is that in order for a government to strengthen an economy one of the quickest and LEAST EXPENSIVE methods of government intervention is to cut taxes, as this provides a larger pool of disposable/expendable wealth. I doubt the worker that makes toilets or hammers will benefit anymore when the government pays 10 times as much for that object than it would cost to pick one up at Home Depot.

Look at the real impact rather than some fantasy world where you imagine lots of people are (or could) be making $250K+. Just 1.5% of households earn over $250k/yr. Income among this group has risen faster than those at the lower end of the spectrum. At the same time, we are in the midst of financial catastrophe.
I don’t think it’s unreasonable to return taxes to where they were before Bush came into office.

First Post at 12:10:03 PM…Still posting as of 2:36:16 PM…that is one hell of a lunch break…I wish I had a lunch break that long…Maybe that would make up for my 3% raise that I lost this year…and I am no where near making $250,000 per year…
Posted by: Omentum | Feb 26, 2009 12:41:57 PM
I strive everyday to make as much money as I can for my family. Let’s not get it twist my friend. I am not typing this in PJ’s at home on the sofa. I am on my lunchbreak!!!!
But what I hate is for money being equated with power and these folks have the world eating out of their hands.
These are also the folks who will shoot their mother to get ahead in their careers. Moral are out the window.
The “good guy” can’t make it to that level because they basically have to sell their soul to the devil.
Like the CEO’S shipping jobs overseas just so they can keep up with the other “ivory tower” CEOs
It has set a bad precedent. EVERYBODY CANT, NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY, TO BE RICH …. LEGALLY. Look at Madoff and all the madoff-lites on the run now because they swindled folks.
I don’t make anywhere close to 250k but I give at least 10k to charity each year.
Just imagine if all the money grubbing grandma killing uber rich would follow that percentage.
We would have no financial problems in this country.

Tom Clar, doon’t confuse them with the facts. They prefer to lull in their misery, hoping someone will improve their lot in life. Not many high achievers here.

Hooray! Finally some fiscal responsibility. I’m happy to see that Obama is starting his administration on the right track. If he is able to correct only half of the mistakes and misdeeds of the George W. adminstration Obama’s administration will be a HUGE success.

Don’t believe for an instant that foolishness about a tax increase on personal incomes over $150,000/year. That means a tax increase on small business. Since 85% of all jobs come from small business, what do you think that is going to do to unemployment? Obama doesn’t care at all about the USA. He is promoting Communist totalitarianism. He doesn’t care if it causes WW3 or not. Obamamericans, be careful what you wish for.

Epoch says: “…the dems actually started paying down the debt despite your phony twisted facts …”
1994 to 2000 was a Republican controlled House. Bills of appropriation originate in the House of Representatives(at least they’re supposed to). That decline in the annual deficit occurred under Republican watch (what little did occur).

Anyone…
Why do liberals believe money in the hands of government/constituents (pork) is stimulative, but…
Money in the hands of taxpayers
(tax cuts) is not?

Epoch, we were all doing real well paying down the national debt until you Leftwingtards let your little friends in AlQaida loose to attack this country.
If there were any justice in this country, you’d have been placed in chains pending the end of the war.

loyalty? I’m loyal to a free country – not a socialist one. I suspect even you have a tax % that you’d refuse to pay – would you pay 80% of your income in taxes if required to? 50%? What the number is will vary with the individual but when 5% of citizens pay over 60% of the income taxes in the country one should not assume they’re an unlimited source of pork for you to spread around to buy votes and push your agenda. People can and will leave and will vote with their feet if necessary. Common sense. There are actually countries that give tax incentives to Americans to attract their $$ and productivity ouf of reach of the socialists here.

I am tired of hearing all these complaints about tax breaks for the rich and big corporations, especially during the Bush years. Read this carefully……
Every single dollar that is made by any individual or business, big or small belongs to that entity, not the government. It is then the role of that government to decide what is a fair tax. The government doesn’t GIVE anyone a tax break, rather, it may ascertain to reduce a tax burden to certain entities in order of fairness.
It is a Disney/Hollywood mentality where all big corporations and rich people are evil, greedy and selfish.
My wife works for one of those corporations and we are thankful for a good job. Obama naively said, “Now is not the time to worry about profits…”
Huh? I would not invest in any company that wasn’t worried about profits. Either you have profits, or you have losses. Too many losses=too many layoffs. If people are not working, it is difficult to tax them. Now is certainly not the time to punish individuals or business for whatever success they may be presently enjoying.
Where is it written that all business must succeed? Some will fail, some should be allowed to fail, in which case new ideas and industry are then allowed to naturally develop. Our only rewards for our mistakes and others, is to learn from them.
When the first $700B bailout occured last Sept, under President Bush, how is it that $350B is unaccounted for? Are you kidding me?
STOP THE BAILOUTS, STOP THE MADNESS

KMorrison: no thanks. I will stay here like the loyal, Vietnam veteran that I am, sticking up for stupid people.
By the way, ever see Blazing Saddles?

THANK YOU BIG BROTHER.. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO VOTED FOR THIS JERK.. YOU ASKED FOR IT..BUT OF COURSE MOST OF YOU DON’T HAVE JOBS ANYWAY

By God General! You are right! Please inform the FBI immediately. He needs to be arrested and prosecuted. LOL

The idiot Obamabots vomiting their idiot opinions just proves they are the most ignorant, uninformed group of voters in this nations history. So this is what happens when democracy dies. Thunderous applause. God help us all.

The idiot Obamabots vomiting their idiot opinions just proves they are the most ignorant, uninformed group of voters in this nations history. So this is what happens when democracy dies. Thunderous applause. God help us all.

When are you Libs ever going to learn that businesses DO NOT PAY TAXES? They collect them and pass them off to you in the price of the product. God, you people are so stupid. You think they are sticking it to the rich, but you morons do not realize they are sticking it to you!!!

KMorrison — That was real intelligent sounding, to tell someone to leave the country because he has a French sounding name. So, I guess we should tell Barack Obama to leave because his name sounds Arab. Actually, his middle name is the same as a dictator in Iraq, and his last name rhymes with the biggest terrorist ever to attack the USA. Funny, you tell him to leave, why don’t you tell the President to leave too. So Ignorant!

As a business owner I will have to lay of 21 employees as soon as this tax increase hits. I took pics of the cars in our lot with Obama bumper stickers and these employess will be the first to go!!!

I’m sick of the Gov. I make about 130k/yr. (2 kids and a wife) and live in the bay area and that is an OK living! I still can’t afford a house but I’m expected to subsidize people that got in over their heads and were fiscally irresponsible! Bull! This model is unsustainable! The Gov. is just prolonging the collapse! They won’t stimulate anything except higher taxes! They need to let the market correct itself and that will bring things back to normal economically faster then their lame plan! What a joke!

We are now seeing for real that Obama’s policies are wholly grounded on penalize (e.g., tax) those that have money and reward those that don’t (e.g., welfare).
All of the jobs I’ve held in my life were created by rich people. I never had a poor person offer me a job. The folly in Obama’s approach is it will hurt rich and poor alike. There will be fewer jobs. Obama himself doesn’t believe his stimulus program will actually create jobs which is why he used the wording that it will save or create three million jobs. Which means if one job is created and 2,999,999 were saved, his program would be a success based on his own metric. Of course how do you quantify saved jobs? You can’t. Clever, huh?

n22s wrote:
To DaveS regarding your indifference to paying higher taxes. If your taxes increase $10,000, how will that affect you?
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What in the world makes you think I’m indifferent to paying more in taxes? I said higher taxes on wealth producers was a one way ticket to wealth destruction. Even tax offsets recommended by Oh Hail won’t entirely eliminate the problems associated with increased taxes and their detrimental effect on wealth creators. People like me – self-employed facing higher taxes – will suffer through it, reducing our spending on discretionary items like the cars and vacations you mention. People with more means to do so will take their money somewhere else, where the taxes are lower. Either way, less wealth will be produced in the US.
I don’t get why you think I’m indifferent.

Perhaps you conservatives should have worked a little harder in the last presidential election.
The American people have spoken. The days of catering to the rich are over.
Time to build a new America that doesn’t leave millions of people behind.

On whose dime are you going to build that “New America” Brian?

Brian Smith, just wait till next yr and BO (pun not intended) will have NO power in the congress

Why isn’t anyone answering my questions?
Why did JFK lower the tax rates for the rich from 90%? What were the arguments he used to convince people?
If you take $10,000 from a rich person, what changes in behavior will result? Who is impacted most by $10,000 not invested or used for a purchase?
We have many, many liberal/progressive geniuses on the board, please enlighten me.

General: answer this one. Pregnant US citizen is visiting in Ireland. She is 7 months pregnant. She plans to be back on US soil in plenty of time to have her baby in two months. While on her trip she gives birth to her baby prematurely. What is the citizenship of that child?

So I see the tax burden is over $25,000 per taxpayer.
It would be $11,000 if those 42% of Americans who don’t pay taxes did. But those 42% haven’t invested their life savings in the market or paid taxes toward the future of America.
So the rest of us have to do it.

To the person who wrote:
“Can you say massive conspiracy?) OK, so he was born in Kenya. Was his mother a citizen of the US?”
Now I have no interest in the “conspiracy” at all but your ignorance of the laws of this country at this time need to be addressed. The age of the mother and her citizenship were both included as rules for babies born outside of the US. Under the laws in effect at the time, your scenario means that he was not a legal citizen.
Again, don’t jump me, I don’t think this “conspiracy” will have any teeth. Your ignorance, however, doesn’t disprove the crux of the “conspiracy”.

General, most dems are united in one cause: death of the unborn

Just wait…..those “big taxes” on “big oil” is going to trickle down to everyone who gases up in the form of higher gas….then they will raise the gas tax to make even more money

Marc,
Tax cuts help people without jobs in the following way:
When people who are employed are able to keep more of the money they earn, they either save it, invest it, or spend it. 1.) If they save it, financial institutions will have more capital available in order to make loans for the purchasing of more expensive products. This drives up consumer demand which creates jobs.
2.) If they invest the money, the investee has more available capital to make purchases to spur job creation in other industries or create more jobs themselves.
3.) If they spend the money, the demand for consumer products is increased.
In short, all of these activities create increased demand for products that businesses produce, which in turn increases the need for businesses to hire more workers to provide the goods and services demanded of them. If there are more jobs out there, our unemployed person is helped by increasing the likelihood of finding a job.
Government spending will never be as efficient at increasing demand because there is an additional layer of bureaucracy which costs money to support.

Anyone out there think that Obama thinks and acts like a narcissist? dictionary says “self love”

Hey folks this is all in the name of fairness. It is just unfair for the filthy rich to not share their wealth. Who cares they poured out their own sweat. Off the subject, I actually have a great plan for the education system that I am sure my fellow liberals and tax enthusiasts would go along with. I do not believe that it is really “fair” for some students to make A’s and B’s while others make C’s D’s & F’s. My plan would take grade points away from the A’s and B’s and re-distribute it to those who are making D’s and F’s as to get them up to a C. This way everyone is on a more level playing field. I really doubt it would have any type of effect on the A students. I am sure they are going to work just as hard as before so that they can “share” their A grade.
Also, I have a question for anyone who can help me. I own a business and Gross $250k per year. However, I only net $30k per year. My taxes won’t increase under Obama will they?
It seems to me that those who make the most money are the ones investing in capital(i.e. jobs) to help the economy grow. As an Accountant/CPA it just seems ,in my humble opinion, that those businesses with tax increases are going to need to do something to keep their profit margin steady/growing. Afterall, higher taxes are an added expense. I would look in one of two places. People, as this is the vast majority of cost for most companies, or I could increase my prices. Oh well I am sure these companies won’t lay anyone off to reduce costs. Anyway I am sure Obama knows what he is doing!!! He is just soooooo smart!!! I just love him!!!!!

Several psychologists and psychiatric groups have identified Obama as a “malignant narcissist”.
Look that one up and weep.

William J. LePetomane: As to your premature birth on Irish soil question… Because the child’s birth mother is a US citizen, the child will have US citizenship. Whether or not the child also is a citizen of Ireland, I cannot answer due to my ignorance of Ireland’s citizenship laws. If the child’s father is a citizen of a third country, once again, I cannot answer due to my ignorance of “that country’s” citizenship laws.

Two simple questions: Is giving loans to persons who can’t afford to pay back a “Liberal” or “Conservative” concept? Is giving illegals government benefits a “Liberal” or “Conservative” concept? These are two of the primary reasons the country is in this mess and it is Liberal driven.

Why dont all you Socialistic Liberals leave the country. If you like the way the Govt can solve all your problems and bail every person that overextended their means, then just LEAVE. Canada, Spain, Cuba, China, Russia, or any number of Socio-Commie countries.
If you don’t like being middle class or less, then work hard to get a piece of the pie. Have a little more self esteem with your self and not sit on the couch watching Oprah and Jerry waiting on your welfare check.
I work hard for my money and want to keep every bit I can. NOT give it to a government that will pad their pockets and socialist programs for the persons that want to just pop out kids so they can get more welfare.

Taxes on the so called rich and businesses equals increased costs or taxes on everyone. What? You think businesses aren’t going to increase prices for their products after they get a tax increase? Or do you plan on legislating costs too? Even though most of us do not make 250 grand a year the impact will be greater because all pricing will be inflated because of the tax increase and the reduction in competition due to many businesses closing or shutting down.
If some of you supporters of taxing the so called rich would look at this realistically or take a course in basic economics you will see that taxing the rich increases costs to every single person in America. Not a debatable issue but a FACT.
There is no use for Liberals since all you do is take and not only give zero value in return but actually make matters worse.
Need an example of what I am talking about? Just read up on the fiscal woes we are having here in California, the nanny state of these United States who enacted these exact same misguided measures years ago. Now look where are now?

Why don’t you Libs recommend taxing “Wealth” so that the Kennedy’s and the Heinz-Kerry types pay their “fair” share for the money they did not even earn, but inherited? You will never see this because Libs only believe in taxing productive citizens and giving to the unproductive ones. Good bye America.

I just lost my job. My wife lost hers last month. She has agreed we need to implement a really fast plan to stay afloat here. But first she wants to buy a new Lexus and some jewlry and get a new wardrobe and put in a hot tub. She tells me when that’s all done, it’s tome to get serious about reducing our debt. Sounds reasonable to me now.

Let’s scrap any idea of socialistm or nationalism if you prefer to call it.
good bye social security
good bye medicare/medicade
good bye organized national defense
good bye public schools
good bye public transportation
good bye court system/prisons/jails
many of you use socialist concepts every day.
It is in no ones interest to nationalize the banks…however it may be a necessary evil to temporarily take them over to stop the continued detriment to our economy
everyone fend for themselves…..

“everyone fend for themselves” Holden, sounds like a great idea!

To those of you so enamored with socialism, can you please tell me of a socialist country where the standard of living of their poor is better than our poor?

Amazing! Too bad people don’t understand that the wealthy provide the jobs and incentives for workers. By raising taxes to this extreme, coupled with unlimited taxation for social security (currently threshold at roughly $100k), limits on deductions and capital gains…..the question bears asking–Why would they want to start or create new companies and JOBS if a majority of the money is taken by Uncle Sam. I think this start to be a question of FAIRNESS and EQUALITY. Shouldn’t we all be treated equally under the Constitution just like our Founding Fathers said? Just a thought.

Two simple questions: Is giving loans to persons who can’t afford to pay back a “Liberal” or “Conservative” concept? Is giving illegals government benefits a “Liberal” or “Conservative” concept? These are two of the primary reasons the country is in this mess and it is Liberal driven.
Posted by: eagle1 | Feb 26, 2009 3:30:55 PM
I don’t believe there is such a thing as liberal or conservative. I think its fake. They are all liberals. Spending billions upon billions of money that we don’t have. War cost billions. WMD’s been found? Nope. “Mission Accomplished” Obama is just more! There are no conservatives. They all want to spend money!!! The spectrum no longer exists for conservatives in government. the only thing that changes is what they spend money on and how much they spend. How much does the War on Drugs cost? War on Terror? These “wars” will last eternally! there will never be a victor, but they can be used as justification for spending trillions of dollars. Blank Check! how is that conservative?? Its fake !!

Theme song for this presiduncy:
“Welcome back Carter”

We agree! There are people out there that do not want this to happen.

Ryan C
Are you aware that tax revenues went way UP during the Bush years?
Spending was the problem causing the deficits – not the lower tax rates.
Bush is culpable for his part of the spending as is Congress.
But if you think Bush was a big spender just wait until Obama gets through with us. As if that isn’t obvious already.

plainsm: theme song for the GOP is the one Groucho Marx sang in “Horsefeathers.”
“No matter what it is, I’m against it”

“josh: I’m not going to tell anyone how I picked 21 employees. Man you just have never been a business owner have you? Same as an idiot with tatoos applying for a job, we don’t tell him it’s becasue of his looks we just don’t hire him.”
YES, I AM A BUSINESS OWNER. I AM WELL AWARE OF THE GAMES THAT MUST BE PLAYED WHEN HIRING AND FIRING EMPLOYEES THESE DAYS. IT HAS GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I CAN ONLY FIRE A HETEROSEXUAL WHITE MALE WITHOUT FEAR OF A SHAKEDOWN. I ROUTINELY PAY MINORITIES AND WOMEN SEVERANCE WHEN I RELEASE THEM, EVEN IF THEY ARE AT-WILL AND POOR PERFORMERS. I HAVE BEEN THREATENED, SHAKEN DOWN AND SUED TOO MANY TIMES BY “PROTECTED CLASSES”, SO I CONSIDER THIS A COST OF BUSINESS.
HOWEVER, AS A RATIONAL BUSINESSMAN I ALSO SEEK TO CUT COSTS WHEREVER POSSIBLE. I DO THAT, IN PART, BY HIRING HETEROSEXUAL WHITE MALES WHENEVER POSSIBLE. AN EXCEPTIONAL MINORITY CANDIDATE WILL OF COURSE BE HIRED, I AM NOT GOING TO PASS UP A POTENTIALLY GREAT EMPLOYEE FOR FEAR OF A FUTURE SHAKEDOWN, BUT IT IS A LEGITIMATE COST/BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND IT IS EMINENTLY SENSIBLE FOR ME TO UNDERTAKE IT.
LIBERALS AND POLITICALLY CORRECT MEDDLERS – I AM JUST BEING HONEST AND IF YOU ARE FAIR AND PUT ASIDE YOUR SOCIAL OBJECTIVES, AND THINK STRICTLY AS A BUSINESSMAN, YOU WILL REALIZE THAT WHAT I AM DOING IS CORRECT. THE SADDEST PART IS THAT PERSONALLY I PREFER TO HIRE THE BEST CANDIDATE REGARDLESS OF RACE, SEX OR ANYTHING ELSE. IF THE PERSON IS BRIGHT, HARDWORKING AND HONEST I WANT THEM. BUT NOW MINORITIES HAVE A STRIKE AGAINST THEM, THAT BEING MY JUSTIFIABLE FEAR OF FUTURE LAWSUITS. IT IS SAD.
DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU HAVE WROUGHT? DO YOU UNDERSTAND UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES?

Ryan C,
What did you do, read the cliff notes version? There is plenty of case law defining what being a “natural born” citizen means. First and foremost, is being born of two citizens. Second, you cannot be a dual citizen, which Obama had to be to attend school in Indonesia as a child. If he didn’t renounce this, he is still a dual citizen. And I clearly stated that it was “reported” that he traveled to Pakistan with other than a U.S. passport. That’s why I started out by saying it’s not about citizenship. Being the POTUS/CinC is all about allegiances. Read a little more please.

Holden, good job beating up on that silly strawman you libs always bring out. The concept you’re looking for and the one the Founders intended, is called FEDERALISM. But people like you think DC is better at making decisions for your state than your state legislature.
Won’t you join us in this bipartisan effort to reaffirm the 10th Amendment? State sovereignty is something libs can get behind too. Think about, no federal unconstitutional drug laws, no taking your money from your state and paying for a bike path in some other state, no national fights over abortion.
IT WAS ALL MEANT TO BE LEFT TO THE STATES EXCEPT FOR A FEW ENUMERATED POWERS. THE CURRENT SITUATION IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY THE FOUNDERS WERE RIGHT.
FEDERALISM!

William LeWhatever: I just named one hit,
another is Louis Armstrong’s “Nobody knows the trouble I’ve seen”

LePetomane: The issue with the Kenya birth is primarily that the Constitution specifies that only “natural born” citizens can become President. If he were born in Kenya of American parents, he would be a citizen, but not natural born.
There’s also the issue of whether or not his mother had lived for the 10 years preceeding his birth in the US; at least 5 of which had to be after the age of 14 (impossible, since she was 18 at the time.) That means if he was born in Kenya, he would not be a US citizen (natural born or otherwise.)
Further complicating the picture, his mother left the US and married an Indonesian. (There is some dispute over whether Suerto adopted Obama or not.) At any rate, he would have lost his US citizenship when she moved him to Indonesia and married a citizen there. To regain citizenship, after age 18 he would have had to have taken an oath of allegience before a judge or US consular official (a copy of which, with the appropriate seal, would be in existence.)
Rather than argue whether or not Obama meets the requirements to hold office (among which, the Constitution states “natural born citizen”), you continually post trivial theoretical questions about other cases.
Hmmm. When liberals refuse to answer a specific question, there’s usually a very good reason!
BHO could put all this to a quick end by proving where (and when) he was born, and subsequently, where he regained his citizenship status after their time in Indonesia. The fact that he has not done so only perpetuates this debate, and lends credence to those who claim he cannot offer such proof.

I do not espouse socialism. And we like to think that we in the US are the best at everything. It is rather sobering to understand that we are ranked tenth in the annual Human Development Index used by the UN. The HDI takes into account life expectency, literacy rates, gross domestic product, and purchasing power.

Mike: so John McCain was not a “natural born” citizen either? Wow.

“Are you aware that tax revenues went way UP during the Bush years?”
Vs what? Earlier Bush years?
The tax revenue in his last year or two was just catching up to what Clinton was taking in his last two years.
“Spending was the problem causing the deficits – not the lower tax rates.”
When you lower revenue without lowering spending you create a deficit.
That’s before you add any spending.

“Mike: so John McCain was not a “natural born” citizen either? Wow.”
Neither is Bobby Jindal!

LePetomane,
This issue doesn’t apply to McCain because both his parents were U.S. citizens, and, he was born on a U.S. protectorate where his father was stationed. Case law has upheld this position.

Say goodbye to good paying jobs. Get ready for a paycut. Small Businesses will not be able to survive this. and The Big businesses will cut payroll and re-hire people at a lower rate. Get ready for no more prosperity.

It’s time for a business revolution. All wealthy people making 250K or more need to take a voluntary pay cut to get under the tax. Businesses need to take that money and buy cold, hard bullion which they store in a vault and doesn’t get taxed. Thus, the government doesn’t get an extra dime and collapses under the weight of the excess fat it willingly generated.
Don’t dodge the tax. Just make it so the tax doesn’t work.

josh ; Is that you? You seem to have 2 personalities.

Taxation brought down a British King…Americans just don’t like it…not much has changed. I think Obama is risking his second term by taking on the middle class. Yes…he’s taxing the middle class. He’s also going to hit the lower income people with tobacco taxes and inflatonary employment policies. I’ll give him credit, he’s rolling the dice!

So we’re going to help the unemployed by punishing the employers? Smug, ignorant liberals really don’t have a clue.
Ben Franklin saw this coming.
“When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”

john and scott; well said and good advice.

Well so many great comments; some because they are true but the majority because they reveal the ignorance of the vast majority of our citizenry.
Our founders told us that maintaining liberty and freedom was dependant upon the concern, knowledge, and participation of the citizens. In the discussions leading up to the signing of the Constitution, a common answer to predictions that things will happen (things like removing our gun rights, over taxation, over regulation..etc) was that the citizenry would never stand for it. Well an ignorant majority will evidently.
If you ask why we continue to elect people that get us into these messes the answer is: universal sufferage. We have to take a test to drive for christ’s sake but we’ll have some one pick you up from the institution to take you to vote.
Socialism isn’t sustainable nor is pure democracy. Our federal republic died with Lincoln, and has been in a slow spiral ever since.. this is the slippery slope that became cliched around the time Goldwater was trying to get people to see sense.
Bend over, my fellow citizens, grab both cheeks, and pull them apart.. because it’s coming.
The constitution is dead and the only recourse those of us who love and, more importantly, understand the concept of liberty and how it is impossible in an environment where a govt has it’s hands in everything, will be to revolt or renounce citizenship and attempt to start over somewhere else.
It wouldn’t suprise me that in less than a decade we’re all wearing outfits colored based on our occupation or some other identifier and waiting in line at the grocery store for bread and tp. You know like before the soviets stopped doing what we’re starting to do and like the chinese did when they were poor Before they began adopting our old capitalist philosophy.. Where you go to the store not knowing what’s available until you get in and see the 3 items they have on the shelf.
I pay 38.6% of my income in taxes..not counting sales tax, gas tax..etc. If you raised that number to 90% the govt would not have enough money for all of the pet projects.. we’d still run deficits. I barely scrap by on a salary that at first sounds impressive. I don’t give to charity, I don’t tithe.. I can’t afford to anymore.
Raising taxes and increasing spending isn’t going to stimulate anything except corruption and a further erosion of our freedoms.. REDUCE TAXES.. STOP SPENDING.. that’s stimulus. You would see a drastic increase in donations to charity and consumer spending. You’d just have to eliminate the wealth redistribution..sorry negative income tax.

Ryan C
If the last two years of Clinton had greater tax revenues, it was due to the internet bubble.
Bare in mind before Bush took office the Nasdaq dropped from 5000 to 2500. Taxes from stock options gave an unnatural rise to the tax revenues that is being recovered by capital gains losses ever since the bubble burst.
Spending is the issue and the Republicans violated the trust of their supports (and for that matter the American people) by not reigning it in, cutting into bureaucracies and eliminating useless departments from government.
The problem is that everything they did wrong is going to be doubled under Obama with some extra nasty things thrown in that will be difficult to rollback in the future.

Oh, my God–
He really IS going after the manufacturing base of this country. Hello, unions? Obama is coming after your smokestack industries! Why else would he tax the bejesus out of Oil and Gas in the Gulf of Mexico? Why does he want to so recklessly make the price of energy skyrocket? He wants to destroy American manufacturing, health-care and anything else that needs oil or natural gas to operate. What an evil fool.

I’m a Republican, and I can’t believe that I’m actually liking this! I hope he keeps stirring the pot.

Seerak, I don’t know anyone who strives to stay in the middle class.

William J said:
“It is rather sobering to understand that we are ranked tenth in the annual Human Development Index used by the UN. The HDI takes into account life expectency, literacy rates, gross domestic product, and purchasing power.”
I suppose your inability to spell expectancy properly only adds to your argument.
There are many factors that go into such an index. However, notice they don’t rank freedom, which factors into numbers as well. By the way, we are currently ranked 6th in freedom by some such organization.
Did you ever consider that are sedentary lifestyles, as a result of freedom and wealth, contributes negatively to life expectancy?
Doesn’t every child have access to education? Could there be other things factoring into our literacy rates? By the way, thank heaven for teacher unions!
GDP and purchasing power. I don’t know but I suspect we do rather well.
Never forget to factor in the agendas of the organizations performing these rankings as well.

butler ; this may have a good effect if he doesn’t run it to far into the ground. It will kill unions and get families back together( because they will have to live togetther).

Ryan C said:
“Most of the countries that are ahead of us in standard of living are socialist countries.”
No Ryan, I was looking for substance. It is just as easy (and intellectually bankrupt) to say that no socialist country ahead of us in standard of living are socialist countries.
This is why it is so difficult dealing with the left. They throw statements out there as if they are facts instead of opinions. Notice Ryan C doesn’t state the basis of his argument, he simply makes the statement.
Statements such as this are evidence of the intellectual bankruptcy in this country. Ryan probably received his information from some left leaning professor or book without exploring the ideas, concepts and arguments presented by the other side.
I asked the progressive geniuses to name one country. All I get is “Most of the countries that are ahead of us in standard of living are socialist countries.”
Name a country and why. That will form the basis of a debate.
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NC22,
What did you expect? These are the same people that constantly claim that Cuba has a better health system than we do!!! HAHA!!!
Ryan is being the typical dishonest Liberal. While we are dealing with our own financial crisis, European nations are getting far worse than the USA. In fact, some say that countries like Germany and others have slipped into a depression.
Something that Ryan C won’t mention is that Germany is in such bad shape that recent college grads in Germany are leaving their nation to find work in the USA in numbers not seen since the early 1900s.
there is a reason why Europeans LOVE moving the USA. Their countries suck compared to the USA.
There have been moments in the 20th century where it appeard that some socialist nations in Europe where doing better than the USA, but the overall picture shows that socialist nations, communist nations do worst economically, politically, socially, etc, etc, etc than capitalist nations.
There is no nation that has taken the course that Obama is taken and became a strong economic nation.
What Obama is doing is NOT bringing up the poor or the low-middle class….he is lowering the high-middle class and the rich class.
I ran into this type of thinking a long time ago before I graduated from college. The mentality that since you can’t bring up some in the poor class, the best way to equalize everyone is by bringing down the high-middle class and the rich class.
Question to the Liberals….
Why would I or anyone else for that matter work hard and try to earn $250,000 if the government is going to punish me and take away over 40% of my income? I might as well stay at a lower income, where the government will touch less of my money!!!
not to mention, what incentive is there for a poor person to go to school, work hard, etc, if the government is going to steal from the rich to give to them.
About one of the few things that Clinton did with the Republican party is reform our welfare system. With one stroke of the pen, Obama destroyed it.
The sad thing is that the poor Liberal brainwashed mines keep on spewing out….
Republicans are for the rich, Republican is the party of the rich.
Of course FACTS go against this.
The Democrat Party has the richest members of Congress. The richest person to ever run for the Office of the President was a Democrat.
Not to mention that the filthy rich class in Hollywood mostly belong to which party? Democrat party.
It is a huge myth that the rich are Republican.
Hmmmmm….Obama keeps on saying that we all have to make hard choices and make sacrifices.
Liberals, obamabots, drooling supporters of this joker….
what sacrifices are Obama and his family making? what sacrifices are Democrat members of Congress making?

Ryan C,
You are so transparent. In stead of providing proof, you provide a strawman argument. Though we could debate the validity of his COLB, it is still not a copy of his original birth certificate. Hawaii has had a policy of providing COLBs for foreign born babies for years. That doesn’t really mean anything. The most telling thing it doesn’t show is who his father was, which I personally believe would indicate BHO Sr. You can’t explain that away with an argument like yours.

n22s: thanks for pointing out my typo error. That is the first time that has ever happened. LOL
By the way, I do not dispute anything you say. I am not making any particular argument, just relaying information. We like to think we are the best at many things and it is somewhat sobering to learn that may not be the case always. BTW, the US had a hand in developing the HDI standards of measurement.

Its not about Obama’s birth certificate either. Ryan C,
If that’s the way you feel, why engage this topic? Once again, nice try.

Our 2009 budget deficit is going to exceed the size of France’s entire economy.

“Though we could debate the validity of his COLB, it is still not a copy of his original birth certificate.”
What is need on his original that is not provided for on the COLB?
It has his birth date and location.
That is the only thing need to prove he was a citizen at birth and therefore a natural born citizen.
“Hawaii has had a policy of providing COLBs for foreign born babies for years.”
And the COLB would indicate that birth place.
“The most telling thing it doesn’t show is who his father was, which I personally believe would indicate BHO Sr.
“You can’t explain that away with an argument like yours.”
No one can explain the facts to birthers. There are too many lies for them to fall back on. When you do explain the facts you get cryptic remarks like yours that something is being hidden.
The time for debate on that has ended, the time for ridicule has been in full swing.

“TAXES BAAAAAAAAAAAD!!
OBAMA BAAAAAAAAAAAD!!
TAX CUTS GOOOOOOOOD!!
I think that pretty much sums up the entire GOP platform. It is beyond parody at this point. And y’all really need to look up the definition of socialism because taxes do not equal Socialism. If they did, then Reagan and Bush Sr were both Commie Socialists.”
You are right, taxation is not socialism. However, the economic model of the current administration is closer to fascism than anything else. Fascism, for those of you ignorant of its definition, is an economic system based upon government control of privately held means of production.
Now with the government giving bailouts to privately held companies and then dictating to them how their companies should be run isn’t the economic definition of fascism they are doing a good job of imitating it.

JD, I’ve looked up the definition of socialism. apparently, it has something to do with governments that nationalized health care, banking, real estate, and the auto industry.
it’s always fun to soak the rich, but that only insure that there will be fewer of them in the future.

TheAudacityofObamaVoters: I can answer those questions for you. It’s easy really. You see the “Keep it positive and prosperouse act of 2012″ will make all such questions illegal. So, if your child asks you anything you’ll have to turn them in immediatly to the local federal police department for internment and re-education. So, no worries. :)

WOW – Obamanomics are so divisive..

Please be advised that throughout history and cultures most of those who precipitated this debacle would have been hauled into the back weeds and pummelled with rusty shovels. They should count their blessings that they may be ingnored into oblivion.

Jon: You’re right. Socialism is not sustainable. But it never really was intended to be anything except a transitory phase towards communism which is a complete control of all resources by the state..or government.. of course you should realize that govts. are just conglomerations of men.
Obama isn’t stupid really. If you believe that he has bad intentions toward this country.. his current policies should only reinforce that belief.
I think that he is either incompetent or complicit in spreading fear and crises in order to ram policies through that will ulimatly bring about the final downfall of our system.. the destruction of it…. from capitalism, where we’re each free to make decisions for ourselve but have to bear responsibility for those actions, to socialism which is a mix, to communism where we have no say in our lives and no responsibility for them.
I’d rather starve to death while dieing of cancer I can’t afford to have treated than live 80 years going where I’m told doing what I’m told..etc.

What an idiot! How stupid does one have to be to think that increasing the cost of oil and gas production is going to help energy independence? And who will pay the extra costs? Consumers, most of whom make a good bit less than $250K.

“Obvious – The Panama Canal Zone was a territory of the United States from 1903 -1979. So in 1936 When McCain was born he was a U.S. citizen because he was born in a U.S. territory on a U.S.Naval Air Station Coco Solo in the Panama Canel Zone”
The Panama Canal’s territory status is not an issue. Also McCain was not born on a military base.
McCain was eligible to be President because he was a citizen at birth, a natural born citizen.
But it is funny for the right wing to make excuses for their guy.
Shows the phony nature of the whole birther mess.

I don’t feel sorry for any of you spoiled rich people complaining about our president. He is not perfect but at least he is trying to fix our economic mess. I don’t agree with bailing out people who mismanaged their finances but I do agree with making the rich pay more. All the rich people on here stating that they will give less to charities now is so diabolical that it just proves that they have too much money. If they have so much money that they can give it away than they need to pay more taxes. Most of those charities are a scam anyway where the director gets a fat paycheck before they do any good. It’s like the rich helping the rich in the name of “charity”. Most people in this country are way overpaid for what they do. That is the reason we are in this mess. America is full of spoiled rich people. I’ve lived poor all my life. I don’t go on vacations or live beyond my means by putting myself in debt. You don’t need beautiful homes to live in. I live in an old run down small trailer. Until all the rich people live like I do, I will not sympathize with them.

Birth certificate’s been produced. Can’t see as that has any bearing on his tax policy anyway.

People: remember now it is those who receive benefits against those pay for benefits. Unfortunately for those of us who are productive in the US we are in the ones the pay for benefits and our number is shrinking.

This should put our economy in the tank until the liberal philosophy is killed by revolution.

“You know the sad part is that Democrats who love to claim that they love democracy, would not mind seeing Congress and every other branch in government in complete and full control of their party. In other words, having a one party dictatorship.”
One party dicatorship is apprently NOW a problem.
6 Years of GOP control, 2 Supremes< Rove's plan for a permanent GOP majority and a partisan restructuring of the DOJ was fine and dandy.

When corporations that can’t justify their reason for being quit sucking taxpayer dollars, get back to me on the unbridled capitalism solution.

“…Until all the rich people live like I do, I will not sympathize with them.” Posted by toughone
One phrase pal:
Have some pride in yourself.

I hear everyone talkign about revolution and yeah we need one all right, the kind where we put all the filthy rich greedheads under the guillotine! The corportions and the richest one percent of America have sucked this country dry! It’s time we got waht was ours and I am grateful that we have a president who is committed to doing just that.

I have to laugh at everybody talking about a 1, 2 or 3 trillion dollar deficit. Not because it’s funny, because it’s not, but because that’s the number politicians want us to focus on.
How many of you are aware that this figure just includes cash coming in and cash going out in the current fiscal year? Don’t worry about last year or next year, just focus on the now. Deepak Chopra would be proud.
That $900MM going to the terrorists in Hamas? Don’t count it if it ain’t spent this year. The commitments to future payouts on social security? We haven’t spent it this year so don’t worry about it. But don’t fret, the gov’t will make sure to count the soc sec taxes it’s taking from us against this year’s deficit.
This type of accounting might work for a lemonade stand, but it isn’t any way to run a country.
So what are we signed up for? The answer for the US is over $60 Trillion. Combine the GDP of every country in the world and it doesn’t come close to this number.
We are bankrupt and we are screwed.
Especially with politicians in charge.

Everyone who is against Obama’s proposed budget plan, we need to stop blaming the opposite party, we need to stop screaming at each other and work together.
We need to get a good budget plan through. Write, phone, fax your ideas to the president, your congressman, your senator, your friends and family and then tell your friends and family to do the same. If someone else already has a good idea you like, get the word out, don’t just bash the bad idea. If public outcry is loud enough, they will have to listen to us, and they need to know what to do instead.
Then, If any of our representatives don’t listen to us, we need to remember and get them voted out in the next election. Let’s work together on this .

Socialism is great?
“The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money.” – Margaret Thatcher

No taxes for anyone under $250K per year? Yea, right. Think about it people, if you believe The Messiah can confiscate $1 trillion from businesses and individuals that have money and have it not become a burden for the rest of the populace, you must be living in an alternate universe.
Every man, woman and child in this country, and probably your pets, will feel the crunch of this new tidal wave of taxes, maybe not directly, but corporations WILL pass it on to you as they have always done.
I’m sure you’ll remember the Immacuate One when he’s gone in 2012, but because of his confiscatory policies you will then be paying $15 for a McDonald’s Happy Meal.

Ryan C wrote:
“Iceland, Norway, Canada, Australia, Ireland, The Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland, France, Finland & Denmark.
Each of these countries has a higher standard of living that us and are considered socialist by right wingers.”
Apparently I got under Ryan’s skin. While I’d like to say “move to one of those countries if you think they are better than us” I’ll avoid that cheap response.
It is kind of funny, however, that the Heritage Foundation/WSJ ranks New Zealand, Australia and Ireland as being more free than the US. Most of the others listed are just behind us in term of freedom. Lends credence to my argument about the importance of freedom, doesn’t it?
Here’s why the ranking of standards of living are dubious at best. For example, access to health care always comes up big in these rankings. And from one perspective Canadians have better access. However, if we judge Canada in terms of certain procedures performed, however, it doesn’t come close. For example, according to Canda’s own figures (CIHI), their population only had 14 organ donors per million compared to our 20 per million. Looks like we perform more organ tranplants and are more generous than Canadians.
That is the problem with your stats. Yes, they have better access to band aids. We have better health care procedures.

OMG – Why would we expect anything else from Obama – he has NEVER worked for a business in his 48 years. Not one of his economic advisors are from business or worked for a business.
2012 can’t come soon enough. Nightmare of Carter….dear God help us.

Where is John Galt when you need him?

When you libs wake up one day and look around to find yourselves in your pathetic entitlement state with no answers, wealth, or ability to produce something of value, just know that the producers will be off somewhere safe waiting to watch your academic utopias collapse. You can only squeeze so much wealth out of a producer before they quit producing for you.

President Obama is letting the tax breaks on the wealthiest Americans expire. And yes that will raise taxes on people who make over $250,000 dollars. There’s an old Bible verse that states, “To whom much is given, much is required.” I personally think it’s time that the wealthy who rip us off (like Madoff) and get huge tax breaks, making the rest of us make up for their lack of doing their fair share, finally take some of the burden off of us on the lower end of the pay scale. We’re gonna have to get out of this deficit somehow and tax breaks for the wealthy is not the way to get out of it. If they wanna punish the rest of America by cutting jobs to “get even” for their taxes going up so they can keep the huge “bonuses” or “Retention whatever they new words is” that we’ve seen them get, while pilfering our National Treasury, and putting us in a recession/depression, let them show themselves for the greedy, unpatriotic, self centered evil fools that they are.
I have had enough unregulated greed.
We are supposed to be ‘One Nation Under God,” not One Nation Under Greed.
Tell me what does a person worship who puts personal profit above God and country?

Dr Jimmy,
I agree with you – Bush is responsible for destroying the county.
However, do you not see that the very things that were worst about Bush are going be be increase many fold by Obama?
Immigration – Obama has promised an amnesty. This the big one. People can discuss policy all they want here, but if we add tens of millions of poor people from the Third World, everything else will be a moot point.
Spending – the entire national debt is slated to go up 65% in just the first two years by Obama’s team’s estimate.
War’s in the Middle East – still expanding by Obama.
Federal bureaucracies – massive expansion by Obama.

I’ so sick of hearing you fat cat republicans saying over and over that the economy is going to be destroyed by Obama’s plan. In business, the way to get out of a bad financial situation is to bring in more money. What’s different about the goevernment? We need money so we have to raise taxes. Just like the business who can only sell their stuff to those who can afford it, we are only raising taxes on those who can afford to pay. No one needs more than $250,000 a year and no company should be allowed a profit of more than 10% a year.

In order to understand Obama and most left wing Democrats, you have to study Saul Alinsky, the original Community Organizer. Obama and his wife quoted from him and Obama taught workshops on his methods. Have you ever heard a President call out a radio talk show host before? Probably not. But Alinsky taught that radicals must pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it (the enemy). But why would a President purposely talk down the economy? Again, Alinsky taught that radicals must be willing to watch society descend into utter chaos and anarchy. Then society could be remade into a type of socialist or communist state where all opposition is removed. Kind of like Chavez who is very popular among the U.S. extreme left. Don’t know if it will work but we must be willing to defend our freedom or it will be gone.

Declare bankruptcy now, avoid the rush!

I love when you liberals start the “Blame George Bush Game”. You cant think of anything insightful or intelligent to say so lets blame the other guy and point fingers. Well lets remember that Obama asked for this job. He wanted it. He said, “I will bring change, Yes we can…etc” Perhaps if he had ran on the campaign of “Elect me, so I can blame someone else” you would have thought different.

Doug said:
“I heard Jindal poohed his pants during his speech.”
Yes, that Bobby Jindal, who graduated with honors from Brown, was admitted to Harvard Law and Med Schools and Yale Law School. That Bobby Jindal, who was a Rhodes Scholar, worked in the private sector before seeking office. That Bobby Jindal.
Perhaps if he had been a community organizer he would have really accomplished something.
Tell me Doug, does your comment say more about you or Bobby Jindal?

I could cut the budget in half too!…..After I quadrupled it in the first place.
Obama is a bum.

The “rich” pay MORE when you cut their taxes. Seems counter-intuitive to those who are not econ-savvy, but please consider the following.
A Tax Foundation report from last July listed revenue trends in what the IRS has collected.
Total revenue received from the richest one percent:
2003: $256 billion
2004: $307
2005: $368
2006: $408
Share of total income taxes collected which were paid by the richest one percent:
2003: 34.27%
2004: 36.89%
2005: 39.38%
2006: 39.89%
http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/250.html

ERS NOTE,
Obama will not be a one term president.
He and his team are in the process of “electing a new people.”
Amnesty is on the way plus lots of federal handouts and a grassroots organization (paid for by you and other taxpayers) to ensure these guys will never lose power.

$118 billion raised as a result of a capital gains tax hike? Nonsense. First, to realize a capital gain, the owner of the asset must sell it first. That will never happen with a capital gains tax hike. Second, capital gains can be offsetted by capital losses and there are hundreds of billions of capital losses waiting around waiting to be realized. This is just another example of the economically ignorant Obama Administration.

Please pay your taxes, its the responsibility of a proper citizen and the cost for being able to live in a civilized society so you can have your 2.5 kids and big plasma tv and 2 cars and house. Otherwise you are being selfish expecting something for nothing. We must all contribute.

Hi everyone, I believe you are all fool by government spending and all these job loses. The simplest way to fix this economic crisis is NOT HAVE BANKS AND MONEY in the first place. We could all live freely without some nasty corporation trying to enslave us for their own personal gain.

n22,
Do you think Jindal did well in the response?
My actual prediction for Jindal is that he does not run in 2012 unless Obama is unpopular.
I see him running for the Chairman of the RNC in 2012 though.
He will wait till 2016 as he is stil quite young and will have two terms as guv under his belt.

Michael Bassett you S&@t for brains

Yo Liberals, How about this idea. You losers can have the East and West Coast States and foricate a more perfect union and the rest of us become the USA and move on….

JP, I do have a job but because I din’t have a rich daddy tomake me CEO of one of his companies when I got out of school, I struggle to make ends meet. Sorry but I am entitled to have every bit as much money as some lazy rich kid and if you have to take some of it from him so be it.

Here is my comment…Obama and the dems can go screw. I live in the Rockies and I want our states to separate from the US..I want off this train as it is heading off a cliff. I’m sick of the corruption and lies!!!!!!!

Hey Ryan C,
Want to go twosies out of threesies on the Civil War thingy? Careful what you ask for.

JS posted:
“I’ so sick of hearing you fat cat republicans saying over and over that the economy is going to be destroyed by Obama’s plan. In business, the way to get out of a bad financial situation is to bring in more money. What’s different about the goevernment? We need money so we have to raise taxes. Just like the business who can only sell their stuff to those who can afford it, we are only raising taxes on those who can afford to pay. No one needs more than $250,000 a year and no company should be allowed a profit of more than 10% a year.”
So eloquent it was posted twice.
How about these rules:
If you can’t spell government you lose your franchise. (And if you can’t spell government, surely you don’t know what I meant by franchise).
My friends, this is your typical Obama voter.
Personally, I think Al Gore made too much money in his life through a simplistic PowerPoint, tobacco and oil (ever hear of Occidental and the Gore family holdings?). Lets see how much we can get from that guy.

Hey Jason, newsflash chief I may not be an “economist” but I do know that you don’t stimulate the economy by increasing taxes and government spending. This is just another way for the liberals to increase the size of goverment thus increasing their power.
Also with these tax increases they are not trying to increase government revenue they are trying to influence behavior(and punish oil companies thus increasing the cost of gas that is passed to the consumer). Any decent tax accountant can tell you that our current tax systems primary goal is not a revenue generator for the government that is its secondary goal. There are a lot of better tax systems that could be implemented that would generate more revenue and be less of a tax burden on everyone.

I disliked Bush just as much as Obama. Bush trampled on the Constitution more than any president since Lincoln. I am not a Republican. Do you think judges are all-powerful gods? Why do I care what some court decision says about secession?

Message to Michael Bassett::
Yes, you are right about bringing in more money to succeed. BUT; those of us who are going to get the tax increase are the ones who take the risks and ultimately create the opportunities for those of you who are not getting the tax increase. If us rich folks just have to give up more and more………..aw heck, I’m already rich anyway so I’ll just close my company that employs over 50,000 people and just move me and my money to the Caymans. Not a thing that you, Obama, Pelosi or even Kennedy can do about it. The result is that I win, you lose and Obama loses. And to top that, maybe 100 of my closest rich friends will join me.
So, lets try something different: Cut my taxes and I will spend more to expand my business and create more jobs and ultimately create more tax revenue for Obama. I win, you win, Obama wins.
Michael, you choose…….
By the way, the second scenario works, every time…….

Wake up America, the economy is already destroyed. China owns most of you.

JS said:
JP, I do have a job but because I din’t have a rich daddy tomake me CEO of one of his companies when I got out of school, I struggle to make ends meet. Sorry but I am entitled to have every bit as much money as some lazy rich kid and if you have to take some of it from him so be it.”
Neither of us come from wealth JS. However, where were you when it came time to study? Why is it I have no problem spelling words such as didn’t and government while you struggle with them? I cracked the books in my public school while they focused on spelling. Where were you?
Neither of us come from wealth JS. However, only one of us expects to profit from ignorance by having voted for Obama.

I’m so excited. The US is now FINALLY on par with Europe. First the economy can go in the toilet, then socialized medicine, then we can all walk around with our noses stuck up and bitch about how everyone else is so uncouth and disgusting.

I think I saw mention of “Secession”. I think every American should consider this. The Social Contract between the people and the government has been broken. This is the kind of government which does not work in the interests of the people. It is clearly working in the interests of the Politicians. This is the kind of corruption that founding fathers revolted over. The taxpaying citizens of the United States no long have a voice in taxation. “No Taxation without representation.” Our voice in the matter clearly have not heard or heeded.

Question to all stupid liberals:
When a store has a sale, do they end up selling more or less product? The answer, obviously, is more. Tax cuts work…you morons. And since only the rich actually pay taxes, all of you poor liberals can just shut the hell up!

As one who has never earned more anywhere near $250K a year I still oppose this “tax the rich” foolishness. Upper income people already pay the bulk of taxes. Lower earners pay little or no income taxes. If most don’t pay taxes there will never be an incentive to keep taxes low as most don’t pay anyway. why should you oppose higer taxes when you don’t pay any? One commenter said no one needs more than $250K a year. I guess we should just confiscate anything above that? If this were so who would create jobs? We would become a nation of poor with government bureaucrats having all the goodies. Yes, humans are greedy & capitalism channels that greed in a useful way so that big & small business bloom & hire workers thus allowing many to bettere themselves. Grow up people. We are not born into the world with guarantees of anything.

What most people are too simple to understand is that all of those business taxes AND the wonderful cap and trade costs will be passed directly to the people. While “technically” not a tax increase on the “people” it will all come from our pockets. We will all see incredible inflation from all of this. It will also create even more incentive for businesses to move overeass permanently. That takes even more jobs. Great work in D.C. once again.

JP: What “entitles” you to someone else’s money? If someone makes money they can give it to whomever they want — a church, a hospital, or their kids. What gives you the “right” to any of it? Am I “entitled” to some portion of your possessions? Just because some idiot left-wing layabout, who can’t make money on his own so he or she goes to Congress where he or she can legally steal other people’s money, tells you that you are “entitled” to someone else’s money or possessions doesn’t make it so. Lenin was wrong, Stalin was wrong, Mao was wrong, Castro was wrong — and you are wrong. You are not entitled to take something that belongs to someone else. Didn’t your mommy ever teach you that?

A lot of Obama supporters told me that I was nuts when I said to them that Obama will raise taxes like you’ve never seen. They all said I was wrong. I wonder how they would respond to this.

You CANNOT patch a burst credit bubble with more borrowing!! Keynesian “stimulus” is a sham! It’s what made the great depression great, and it’s happening all over again!!!!!

Message to Carbunkle Spasmoto:
Whole hardily I agree with you; the way to productive capitolism is ALWAYS incentive. It is the misguided belief by so many that people are altruistic; while there are some of us, there are many many more who are not. We need to give incentives to the “Big Wigs” in our economy to continue investing in it. Its like you said, why would I invest here, where you will take up to 45% of my profit, when I can do business elsewhere and only lose around 20-25% of my profit. Incentives and the pursuit of profit is what makes capitolism. Sounds greedy huh? Well it isn’t, its just good business. Greed is when you take your share, and then screw the other guys out of theirs. Remeber the difference people (not you Carbunkle Spasmoto, I think you are well versed in this and already know :) )

poor Paddy has to sit by the pool while the dividends checks come in. It’s going to be a struggle, isn’t it?

“As proven by Arthur C. Brooks”
ROFLMAO.
Always funny to see right wingers trout out AEI and their cooked research.

Are the majority of people here as dumb as you seem? You guys are joking, correct?
1.9%, yea that’s right… 1.9% earn more than 250K (you can look it up if you please). Earning 250K is the STARTING point of the tax tier to increase (on the 1.9% of Americans) and almost half of the increases for individuals were tax cuts set to expire anyway. These were implemented by Dubya as a stop gap effort to save his ass in the first place and never should have been put in place to begin with.
The inherited debt (not to mention the worst economic conditions since the 30′s) necessitates the rest of the increase of taxes. Those of you who blame the current administration really need to clean up your own house first (or try to rewrite history as so many partisan wackos are trying to do currently)

So now we read headlines that Obama wants to raise pollution caps and give to the poor.
You know, the people who didn’t get an education or stay in school, who don’t pay taxes and already get all forms of governmental assistance through our tax dollars.
More redistributing the wealth.

For all those cincernedd about the righht wingers, have no fear, they don’t represent the majority of this coutnry as demunstrated by the election. Most of us are good hardworking people who want our share of the wealth, want the rich and the companies to pay their fair share, want us out of illegal wars, and want us to stop torture and denying rights to the so-called enemies down in Guantanimo bay.

I don’t make 250,000 a year, but I can see the fundamental unfairness of this budget. Taking away a persons portion of intemized deductions is an outrage beyond belief and raising the capital gains tax is going to be a major job killer. People with lower incomes think they are not going to have to pay taxes are not thinking or incapable of clear thought. His tax increases on energy will skyrocket our bills and gas prices. I don’t like Republicans either but this intolerable and is fundamentally unfair. Change the congress, Obama needs a check on power

Once inflation kicks in as a result of deficit spending the number of people making over $250K will explode. When it it takes a basket full of money for a loaf of bread everyone will be rich.

I read these comments and lose hope. Too many screwball leftwingers who believe 911 was a government plot and think profits are evil. Too many rightwing nuts who believe a fat druggy is the voice of reason. I voted for John McCain and I think his experiance would have served us better than Obama’s very limited experiance. The fact is the rich have gotten richer in the last decades. They pay a high percentage of the taxes because they earn a high percentage of the income. Any “revolution” as history shows is usually the result of huge difference in incomes and the unequal power that results from such an inequity. I am not impressed with Obama but he is the elected choice of America and unlike Rush I wish him success.

By the way rangerbob This is no where near the depression of the 1930′s it isnt even as bad as the Early 80′s recession look the numbers up the unemployment rate right now is about 7.6 percent where in 1980′s it rose to 9 percent. Now lets compare this to the great depression in 1933 where the unemployment rose to about 25% thats 3 times higher than our current one

Its amazing how everyone thinks this current system we live in will continue to operate and we can live frivolously buying anything our hearts desire. This system will soon collapse so be prepared for much worse things than higher taxes, such as death.

Poor JS wrote: “That means if I have one dollar and you have two, we split the difference and each end up with a dollar fifty.” The Declaration of Independence proclaims that all men are created equal. But that means we all have the same opportunity to earn as much (or little) as we want. If you want more money, get another, or better job. Freedom from oppressive taxes is precisely what gave birth to our nation.
Jefferson, who was more socialist than most of the founders, had this to say: “I am for a government rigorously frugal and simple, applying all the possible savings of the public revenue to the discharge of the national debt; and not for a multiplication of officers and salaries merely to make partisans,…”

While the rest of you are welcome to invest in whale oil lamps, the vast majority of this planet will do you a favor and go on with life. You can keep your McMansions for now, not because you earned it, but because you might burn down some decent folks’ homes nearby.

Most of O’Bummer’s cabinet and dems in Congress are tax cheats, so they’ll keep on screwing everyone until they get caught again. Our kid’s and their kids are doomed to live in the sewer of socialism. God help them – they’ll need it.

Don’t like it?
VOTE APRIL 15th!
It’s the only real vote you’ve got & I guarantee no voter fraud THIS TIME.

In a just world the children who received baby trust funds from the arms deals and oil wars would be identified and at least their accounts liquidated.

“No.. Its just that people who don’t pay taxes have no vested interest. They have no skin in the game!!! ”
The decisions of government affect many more citizens than just those who pay income tax.
Any citizen should be allowed to participate in government regardless of socio economic status.

Anyone see Glenn Beck’s house value chart today?
My son is considering buying a business. If LIFO is changed maybe that, with all he other crap going on, will put the business out of business. I don’t know, I’m just saying it looks like FDR’s “happy?” days are here again.
FDR didn’t refuse to try an idea he did or didn’t like.

“The decisions of government affect many more citizens than just those who pay income tax.”
Then by that definition — we have military bases in Germany, and if we shut them down it will effect German citizens. So there for, we should let Germans vote.. Hmmmmm Great logic there…

The ultimate form of ‘class warfare’ is trying to deny someone from a lower class the right to vote.

This used to be called The Republic of United States of America. Obama the messiah will soon need to pays billions of dollars for the name change to The Socialist States of America. Maybe we should just go back to being a republic like what the founding fathers wrote into our constitution. I tell you what I thought people were stupid for giving ACORN our tax dollars so they could elect a socialist liberal pig like Obama the messiah and now I know I was right. If America survive Obama no more left wing experiments, PLEASE!

Problem is – Obama’s voter base is that class he distinguished from the achievers. Sorry but those are the people that worship him – ever see one of those town hall meetings!
There are more of them – wanting the government to fill all their needs from cradle to grave – than those that educate themselves, work long hard hours, pay taxes and try to do the right thing. Obama is a disaster for this country – he and Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Charlie Rangle, the Chicago political thugs, the tax cheats in the cabinet, the Clintons, – etc. etc. what a bunch of creeps. God Help Us!!

And unemployment will spike with this plan. People don’t get it. You tax the people that create the jobs and they STOP creating jobs – it’s that simple. But alas, I am sure the nutty fans of the Marxist and Communist in Chief (and that is what is plans represent by the way) think this is just wonderful.

wow just wow reading these comments.
just look at all the ‘innovation’ and job creation we got from deregulation.
this is $100billion / year and it is not netted out with tax decreases.
$210 billion – international enforcement, reform deferral, other tax reform. time to make the cheaters pay.
you people just parrot Socialism not really knowing what it is. don’t worry the .001 % of the population will still own 98% of the wealth. You will be comfortable knowing that even with who you call Socialists running the country that these people will still have all their money.

Obama must be out of his mind!
Let’s throw him out of office now– while we still can!

It is time for another Boston Tea Party everyone and let the people take this country back. That is the best way we will get back on track. Sorry to say!

This is just beyond frightening. This dimwitted fool Obama can barely add 2 plus 2. Yet we are constantly told “how smart he is”. Resigning would be the smartest thing.

“Just because you reference one point, does not mean you take the entirety of it.”
Do you think Lincoln was a tyrant?
Do you think only white male property owners should be citizens?
That is what the neoconfederate you defend advocates.

I know how to get 1 trillion into the U.S. Treasury in 72 hours without a tax increase. just ask everybody that thinks Obama sucks to send in $5,000. each to the U.S. Treausury. That is only 200,000,000 Americans. The only thing Obama would have to do is resign and take Hillary, Pelozi, Biden, and the cabinet buddies with him, back to the land of Lincoln.

“It only affects 5% blah blah blah”
That’s a bit morally defunct isn’t it?
if it doesn’t affect me you can steal from my neighbor?
those 5% already pay 50% of all taxes in this country…..chances are most of the budding socialists here pay well less than your fair share (if anything at all).
a HEAD TAX is the ONLY fair tax….men, women, and children. Then maybe people will put their hands back in their pockets and truly understand “government fiscal responsibility”
I see a lot of ad hominem attacks here….try and rise above the “red neck” vs “latte sipping blue nosers” stuff guys.
And as for legal precident, income tax wasn’t even legal until the turn of the century based on a constitutional ammendment meant to fund ONLY WARS. Then FDR the arch Leninist came through and got it in non-war time…..at 1% tax on what today would be over 60K of income and 6% on what would today be in the millions of income.
What have we gotten for the extra money spent besides a lazier society with no sense of responsibility or purpose besides consumerism?

This is absolute proof that socialism is coming. If anyone thinks that is good for our country you will be sorely mistaken. Obama and his crew are not smart enough to make it happen by manipulating your emotions, the mechanisms underlying our economic society are based on logic not emotion. We will ALL end up in the bread lines together. There is no greater cause than the economy, put your special interests aside until things improve.

How is letting a tax cut expire a “new” tax? That is completely misleading.
And, if you ask John McCain, the tax cut should have never occurred in the first place, as we were beginning to fight a war at that time. You can’t simultaneously cut tax revenue, while increasing spending… its like getting a credit card and having no way to pay the bill…

One trillion in taxes is a lot, but how much revenue will that generate. How will it compare to the GDP we will generate from all the new opportunities that this tax policy is presenting.

We’ve got what was coming to us. I for one can’t wait for a meltdown. It’s times like this you truly get to see what each of us is made of. I see a lot of cowards here. :(

People that make over $250,000 have clever accountants and end up paying less taxes then people making $50,000. Drudgetrolls like hysteria. Bush used scare tactic’s his whole term. Now the trolls claim that Obama is using scare tactics…..geeezus
Posted by: trolls get back to work | Feb 26, 2009 6:14:03 PM
This is BS class warfare propoganda. IRS statistics back that up.
We hear this over and over but no one will tell us what those tricks are!
So please tell us what tricks we are not using. I would love to know so I too could use those supposed tricks. So far no one we know is aware of these tricks.
Unless you can be specific, keep your self serving, and share it with your underachiever democrat support group.

These elites will answer to us.

If Texas could declare independence, they would get millions of productive people voting with their feet to move there. I know I would.
I think corporations and companies would relocate as well.
Perhaps add in a few more states, Louisiana up through Nevada.
I think we owe it to posterity to stand up against this tyranny, in a non-violent way, and preserve freedom and liberty for all.

Obama actually tried nominating two people to high level positions that actually are tax evaders. Now he is taxing people who make 250,000 year, which is far from wealthy. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. What is so new about this? There are too many Americans that do not even pay taxes and why is he not focusing on this?
How many times must I say this…Boston Tea Party…
This is a joke. I nominate Donal Trump to President. Now there is a guy much more qualified than Obama and would put this country in a better financial position.
Boston Tea Party!!!!!!!

It is always humorous to me when people who are traded as pawns by the Democrat and Republican Party and spew DNC or RNC talking points they heard on FoxNews or CNN refer to people who can see through the big lie as “fringe.”

Jake left out the de facto carbon tax which is created by Pres. Obama’s insane cap-and-trade plan, and that tax will hit every one of us in the wallet. We’ve never had unbridled capitalism, so we have no idea how it would work, but since government meddling (via directing financial institutions to lend to the high-risk), perhaps we ought to try it.

Add Kansas to this movement!
The greatest prosperity in the world and highest standard of living is about to be destroyed.
We, the hard-working, money-saving, responsible and risk-taking few are about to be rolled.
Too many patriots have fought and died for this dream of liberty and freedom to be lost so easily.
I agree that this can be done peacefully, it means we need leadership on a state basis. And now.

I love how Obama bashes businesses and financial institutions who throw parties and business events that were planned long before the economic crisis hit, yet he doesn’t look into his own mirror.
Our country is in an economic meltdown. He is asking a select few Americans to bail us out. Yet what do we see from Barack? A fancy party to honor Stevie Wonder? A bash for the governors last week that featured a performance by Earth Wind and Fire. A fancy luncheon for journalists the day he gave his big speech.. Trip after trip on Air Force One to get more photo ops. Perhaps before bashing corporations for their shindigs, Mr. Obama maybe should start trimming back some of his own.

These democrats that gave the oil comopanies so much grief over the price of gasoline are now massivley increasing their cost of doing business which will result in higger gasoline prices. Brilliant.

So Texas is BIG. I get it.

prairiebladerunner wrote:
“Deareast N22s,
So how has the unbribled capitalism model come along so far? Please advise as to the moment of excess we may eliminate.”
First time I’ve been referred to as “deareast”. PBR, you’re the socialist genius, please define that word for me. And while you’re at it, define “unbribled”.
Lets get this straight, because capitalism is not perfect, socialism is better. That seems to be the sum total of your argument.
PBR, you may not be able to grasp this but no economic system is perfect. However, in the past 50 years our economic system has fed more people, been responsible for more advances in medicine, freed more people than any other…I could go on and on.
Please, tell me how the world would have been better had there been no US the past 50 years. Cuba would have discovered…well nothing. Canada would have innovated…not much of anything. Iceland would have…again, I know of nothing.
Dear genius, please tell me of how many things have come from socialism in the past 50 years. Enlighten us instead of calling me “deareast”.

So if the 5%ers are so smart at hiding money why do they pay 50% of all taxes?
do they get 50% of the votes in this nation?
Here are som simple questions that people fail to understand:
1. Can the government “create” wealth?
2. If I give you $50 was the national economy increased by $50?
3. Is it just to take someone elses property because you believe you have a better idea of how to utilize it?
4. What is the only way to TRULY (using non-creative accounting) grow the United States economy?
5. Do you believe the government of the united states should have the right to tell me how to spend my money by force?
6. Do you think the government can be TRUSTED to ethically disperse these massive funds.
7. Where do you think our current 65 trillion in government commitments will come from when the take for 2008 will be far less than ’07s 900 billion and change?
if you answer this honestly you’ll find about 65%+ of americans believe stealing is ok and have justifications for why they think as such. Unfortunately This is a majority and in a representative democracy means they get to choose how OTHER people’s property rights are obliterated for THEIR personal gain (or so they are usually duped into believing by corrupt politicians)

Peaceful secession is the answer. It will happen. Maybe not in my life time, but it is inevitable. This ruinous, despotic empire can not continue in its current, declining form. If you believe in liberty, support secession movements. Start with cultural secession. Rid your life of cheap plastic junk from Wal-Mart, unhealthy fast food, immoral movies from Hollywood, etc. Grow a garden. Think locally, act locally.

Here is something to think about.
The state of Texas has some unique options other states will never have. One is the option to have 10 U.S. Senate seats instead of two like the other 49 states. We have two Republican Conservative Senators and we can have 10 total in short order. I will let the others who are familiar with this explain it to you. My point is 8 more conservative republican Senators could rock the Socialist party’s boat.

I’m working my ass off, running a small business, all of my hard work grosses me $350,000. Of that I get the privledge of sending $138,600 (39.6%) to my government? Before that I was giving $122,500 (35%).
I’m losing $ on my 401K, my investments, the value of my home, etc. etc. But they’re getting a 4.6% increase?
Something is not right with this picture.

Dearest n22s,
You live in a toxic bubble of delusion, perhaps at the assistance of Rupert Murdoch and his final swan song of Fox News. For the last 3 centuries there has been a partnership between government and individual to get things done. Your unbridled capitalism model is a token farce, and you will be graciously relegated to the backwaters of cause-and-effect. Count your blessings.

I have a business with 23 employees. To make up for my loss I will donate 25% less to charity and lay off 4 people.
Change you can believe in.

We are now a socialist country. Now comes the gun ban, in order to suppress the people further.
This is what our founding fathers feared. I hope Texas secedes from the union, I’d move to the free state of Texas.
The Civil War was not all about slavery. It was just as much about the north forcing its ways on the south on issues other than slavery.

I agree that Texas is the logical place to start this, Gov. Perry would be the ideal leader for this.
However, this movement is widespread. Here in Las Vegas, there are many many tax exiles from across the US that would support this change.
Perhaps a nationwide recall on Obama would be a last chance to head off the secession? I’m sure that even in those states like California that have many liberal, there are many who are sincerely troubled by these moves toward tyranny.
The media and the media elites are hopelessly out of touch with the majority of this country. I think this is the first time I’ve heard complaints from dozens of people in my work and neighborhood. It’s literally stopping people in their tracks and the revulsion is intense. The media is in cahoots with the despots and cannot be trusted at all.

I’m sorry you voted for Obama.

“The Civil War was not all about slavery.”
Which is why slavery featured prominently in every secession declaration.
Neoconfederate bs.

They have a saying in Texas. In English it goes something like this,
“It is better to die fighting on your feet than live on your knees.”

Why do I think crooks are running the our White House? Because they can.

It sucks to own a business and have to pay a good amount of it to the government. This is understandable. But someone has to take the fall. Sadly it is anyone that makes a good living. We are in an economic crisis. People are losing jobs all around us. If you don’t know anyone that has lost a job due to budget cuts and all of these different things than you are lucky or lying. No one wants to lose money to the government. I don’t make much, probably less than anyone that is writing ont his. But there is no way to spend money we don’t have. We did that for far too long. A national debt is not responsible and if my hard earned dollars go to pay that off then I will be in the history books of the future. Hopefully our children can still have schools then. Think about someone other than yourself. Yes it sucks that you don’t make more money in your business.
If you are still making $100,000 or more than you are doing pretty well. So shut up. It doesn’t sound like you’ll be losing your houses any time soon. Unlike my friends that are teachers that are going to be moving from school to school and never getting tenure because the economy sucks so bad. If you still make more than 100K shut up.
Love America.
Peace.

If you make more than $200 K a year, I should feel sorry for you that your taxes will increase when I make $25,000 a year? I am a stay at home mom that home day cares so I can be home for my disabled daughter and poor you???? You have to pay in an extra few hundred dollars a year? More than one day care parent pays me in a week- 2 weeks for most and I should pity you??? I have a 4 yr college degree but jobs are tight here and I have a child to take care of and I should worry about how much more YOU have to pay in??? Give me a break! People have lost jobs and you whine about a few dollars. You are so entitled. Who died and made you God?

Have any of you traveled to the state of Texas lately. If so did you notice that many Texans are not very supportive of our President Obama.
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Obama was at a clear advantage in the Texas counties which had a significant urban area like Houston, in addition to South Texas with the latino populations. That obviously wasn’t the case in the rural areas. I would say the stronger support in the urban areas was characteristic of many states.

Re: “Countries with the Highest Quality of Life
1 Norway
2 Sweden
3 Canada
4 Belgium
5 Australia
6 United States…”
This is BBC nonsense; BBC is like our PBS, all liberal. I’ve been to Canada many times. Someone I know needed immediate heart seurgery and was given a date 6 months out. They buy private health insurance out of pocket, because their “universal health care” is not enough to pay for prescriptions. They pay 15% sales tax on everything. And, their standard of living is nothing near the US.

“Obama was at a clear advantage in the Texas counties which had a significant urban area like Houston, in addition to South Texas with the latino populations. That obviously wasn’t the case in the rural areas. I would say the stronger support in the urban areas was characteristic of many states.”
PPI: 46% of Texans disapprove of Barack Obama’s job performance so far, with 45% approving.
The views toward him are extremely polarized along party lines, with 90% of Democrats but only 8% of Republicans expressing support. Independents are nearly split down the middle, with 42% giving him their approval and 46% dissenting.

I don’t understand why more Americans aren’t questioning the stimulus bill. President Obama, in his speech to Congress this past Tuesday, states the $787 billion stiumulus package is going to create 3.5 million jobs. Okay, so do the math: 787 billion divided by 3.5 million jobs equals $224,857 to create a single job. Huh??? How about if Obama gives me the $224,857, I’ll quit my job so someone else can have it (since I make waaaaaay less than $224,857), and I’ll lay around waiting for more handouts from all the other pork in the bill?

“This is BBC nonsense”
The BBC is quoting the UN Index.
“Someone I know needed immediate heart seurgery and was given a date 6 months out.”
Canada’s system is far from perfect but the wait time is for non emergency surgery. No need to make stuff up.
“They buy private health insurance out of pocket, because their “universal health care” is not enough to pay for prescriptions.”
Private insurance regulations vary but for the most part private insurance is allowed for procedures not covered by the government.
Also their prescription drugs are a good deal cheaper than ours.
“They pay 15% sales tax on everything.”
Do you mean VAT?
“And, their standard of living is nothing near the US”
Its higher than the US.

We are all so screwed!! We have a bunch of clowns running the government.
Its hard to even watch the news anymore.

PPI: 46% of Texans disapprove of Barack Obama’s job performance so far, with 45% approving.
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Looks like purple on the palette to me with the blue and red both of near equal proportions.

The stock market is tanking, major industries are laying off thousands of workers and Obama wants to raise taxes. Obama can’t be that stupid or maybe Obama wants America to become a third world Nation.

I work hard for my $30,000 a year. My brother does for his $60,000. The people who hire us to work (me: pest control and him: painting) are those “evil” people and businesses who make over 250 thousand a year. When Obama starts to take away THEIR money they will stop hiring US. EVERYONE gets screwed under his plan.

How do people who pay no taxes have the right to vote?
Biggest joke on planet earth.

“Looks like purple on the palette to me with the blue and red both of near equal proportions.”
Obama got about 43% in the election.
The exit polls are interesting though as Obama did lose quite a few rural counties that were 80%+ hispanic.

This handy breakdown of the Obama budget just landed in the inbox from the GOP leader’s office.
Look out! Spendzilla is on the loose:
In 2009, federal spending will approach $4 trillion, or 28 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) – a one-third increase in the size of government in a single year. The budget released by the White House today is loaded with job-killing tax hikes and a slate of even more government spending. Overall, the blueprint projects a record $1.75 trillion deficit this year while doubling the national debt over the next ten years. Following are just 10 fast facts about the Administration’s budget, which our children and grandchildren will be paying for far into the future.
1. The Administration’s projected budget deficit of $1.75 trillion is higher than the last five years of deficits combined, and under this plan, we will see three consecutive trillion dollar deficits between now and FY 2012.
2. While it was purported to cut the budget deficit in half – from $1.75 trillion in 2009 to $533 billion by 2013 – this budget projects higher deficits in 2014 ($570 billion), 2015 ($583 billion), and 2016 ($637 billion). In 2019, the final year in the budget, the deficit is projected to be $712 billion.
3. Including the recently-enacted trillion-dollar “stimulus” spending bill, discretionary spending will soar by 24 percent this year under this budget.
4. The budget projects that the national debt will increase from $8.4 trillion in 2009 to $15.4 trillion in 2019.
5. The Administration’s budget contains $1.4 trillion in tax increases – tax hikes that will impact everyone, from small businesses, charities, and seniors to everyone who owns a 401(k) and anyone who flips on a light switch.
6. After promising that he will reduce taxes on 95 percent of Americans, the Administration’s budget establishes a $646 billion energy tax hike that will impact anyone who uses electricity, drives a car, or relies on energy in any way.
7. This budget forecasts more than $1.5 trillion in new health care spending, including a 10-year, $634 billion a health care “reserve fund.” The budget also calls for seven percent annual growth in Medicare and more than six percent annual growth in Medicaid over the next 10 years.
8. The budget includes a $750 billion placeholder for a second round of spending under the Troubled Assets Relief Program (TARP), even though the first round of TARP spending is not yet finished, nor is there a clear explanation of how funds under the initial round was spent.
9. The Administration’s budget claims that reducing the number of troops in Iraq over the next 10 years will cut the deficit by $1.6 trillion; however, that is only because the budget allocates the same amount of funds for the Iraq war each year over the next decade, even though most combat troops may be withdrawn during the next 19 months. The savings are, at best, deceptive.
10. The budget provides a scant 2.9 percent pay raise for military personnel as required by law, less than a week after Democrats in Congress provided the necessary funding to implement District of Columbia locality pay for overseas Foreign Service officers, which would constitute an 18 percent
pay increase.

“Looks like purple on the palette to me with the blue and red both of near equal proportions.”
Obama got about 43% in the election.
The exit polls are interesting though as Obama did lose quite a few rural counties that were 80%+ hispanic.

At least have the maturity to admit that you have wildly misrepresented what I said. I never said anything about “male” or “white”

The REAL cause of the current financial meltdown is in this order;
Non taxpaying liberal elites,
dumocrat politicians on every level,
unions,
obnoxious vocal minority special interest groups,
single moms looking for a handout as a reward for their stupidity

“What comment did I make that would lead you to believe that I dislike blacks or any other race of people?”
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Cowboy was calling for cultural secession, which isn’t a bad idea, not for some form of confederate secession as accused. I didn’t necessarily mind the lumping of the RNC and DNC together, because unfortunately, the two have been hard to tell apart. The most recent example I can think of was the bipartisan support given to the Paulson bailout.

Gee you’re clever! I bet you’re the guy who got beat up a lot in school. That’s usually the story of people who get such joy out of flippant comments like this. It’s funny that you think a place with a bunch of conservatives would be full of stupid people when cities/counties/states that are dominated by conservatives are actually very afflent and safe. Say…Orange County Ca….very conservative…very clean and upper middle class as well. What about Salt Lake City. Probably the safest big city in the country. Oh but they’re full of Mormons huh? Well they’re doing something right. On the other hand, let’s look at the major cities run by Dems…L.A., New York, CHICAGO (Chicago…oh my god!!!). Yeah those are great places to live. The funny thing is if you really had to choose whether to live in a country dominated by libs or conservatives you’d probably pick conservatives. Be honest…you know how dangerous a country would be with a bunch of Democrats running around and no Conseratives to mainain order? Oh that’s right…just go to Detroit and you can see what it’s like. It’s a liberal paradise huh? Idiot.
Posted by: rocco | Feb 26, 2009 7:25:28 PM
Great comments, rocco.

President Obama is either CLUELESS or RECKLESS, maybe both, in his personal crusade of wealth equalization and redistribution. When he figures out that he can’t raise enough through INCOME taxes, he will then tax your wealth. Unless you have none. Then he will give you what he “steals” from others.

Someone wrote:
“If you make more than $200 K a year, I should feel sorry for you that your taxes will increase when I make $25,000 a year? I am a stay at home mom that home day cares so I can be home for my disabled daughter and poor you????”
I doubt there is one person on this board who makes over $200k and expects pity from you.
Here’s the problem scenario, however. Lets say that some of the people who look to you have their taxes increased or lose their jobs because of Obama’s policies. Many of them will be forced to stop using you for daycare. You already know of many people that, after daycare is paid for, make very little. Any finanical problem will make daycare unaffordable or not feasible.
Though you make only $25k you will be impacted negatively. And when you drop to a certain level you either find work (your daughter suffers) or you go to the government for aid (the government is burdened, negating the increase in taxes from others).
Now you may say that none of your customers will be impacted. However, there will be someone in your exact position who will have customers that say the loss of, $2000 for example, means it no longer makes sense for them to work.
Don’t pity people, hope instead that your customers make MORE of their OWN money so they keep you in business of even increase it.

Many more strategies are possible but here are a few, for those who still love freedom:
1. Begin divesting from US dollars into something that isn’t so hyper taxed or inclined to inflation due to the burning presses of the Federal Reserve
2. Stop sponsoring foreign products that undermine important U.S. industries
3. Don’t support liberal institutions in any way shape or form.
4. Reward people who work hard and don’t have their hand out demanding money at every turn. Ignore those who do.
5. Network with people who want to secede from this mess, and pool your efforts. Support each other with wisdom and practical information.
6. Remember God is in charge. Currency, politicians, economies only think they are.
7. Recognize the crashing economies of the world as an opportunity. Just because everyone else is in a panic doesn’t mean you have to be.
8. Don’t get angry. Get smart.

What you are seeing above is the end of the domestic oil industry. This group of taxes and the repeal of deductions will curtail domestic oil & gas exploration, which in turn will make us more dependent on foreign oil. Your price at the pump will go up yet the money available to use for exploration will go away. Well done, Democrats. A complete and total devastation of the oil industry.

I GUESS THE LIBERAL LEFTIES ARE SO HAPPY NOW — THE MOST CORRUPTED ADMINISTRATION EVER. OBAMA IS MUST EVIL MAN IN THE WORLD!!! HE GOAL IS TO DESTROY AMERICA AND BRING IN BIG BROTHER AND COMMIE SOCIALISM TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. YOU THINK PEOPLE WHO LOSE THERE JOBS NOW, WILL BE WORST. BUSINESSES WILL NOT EXIST, BECAUSE TAXING THE RICH WILL STOP THE RICH FOR CREATING AND INVESTING IN START-UPS, ETC. OBAMA CAN GIVE A DARN ABOUT US AND THIS COUNTRY. AFTER 20 YEARS WITH THE ANTI-AMERICAN PASTOR, WHAT DO YOU THINK HE BELIEVES IN. OAMAMS GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE IN A VERY SHORT TIME AND WILL APPLY THIS VERY VERY FAST — WHERE THEY WILL NOT FOLLOW THE LAWS OF THE LAND AND/OR THE US CONSTITUTION. THEY DEPISE IT THE DEMS AND OBAMA AND HIS CORRUPT CABINET OF LOBBYIST AND TAX CHEATS. YOU USEFUL IDIOTIS OUT THERE WILL BE NEXT ON OBAMA’S LIST, HE USED YOU AND NOW HE WILL DESTROY YOUR LIVES WHERE YOU WILL BE TAXED OVER 60%, HE IS FOLLOWING IN THE FOOTSTEPS OS CARL MARX. IF HE TAXED THE RICH AND STOPS IDEMIZED DEDUCTIONS, HE WILL START WITH 250 OR MORE AND THEN HE WILL CHANGE IT UNTIL HE AFFECTS ALL OF US. ALSO, IT WILL AFFECT YOU IN YOUR JOBS. ALL THIS MONEY HE IS HELPING ILLEGAL ALIENS AND NON-WORKERS WHO HAVE NO RIGHT TO OUR TAX PAYERS MONEY.

The Titanic is sinking, and instead of helping the passengers into lifeboats, Barack Insane Obama is shoveling money into the boiler furnaces.
SOS – Save Our Ship!

The exit polls are interesting though as Obama did lose quite a few rural counties that were 80%+ hispanic.
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43% for Obama in Texas still is approaching purple. I don’t know anything about the stats you’re citing, but the national stats had Obama with a clear double digit lead with the Hispanics, and he appeared to be the overwhelming choice in the Rio Grande Valley. Are you trying to stereotype again?

Bottom line is the Obama is simply a SOCIALIST and a LIAR. he lied in the senate the other day in his speech, he lies all the time, as his modus operandi is to tell the masses what they WANT to hear, with style, and then do whatever he wants. he is a left loon, nothing more or less, never run a business, never managed anything… and 53% of the idiot populus elected this idiot president. you elected – you got him. the capitalists will start leaving soon, and you $25k earners WONT HAVE A JOB.

What did anyone expect when the country elected a president who has less experience than Sarah Palin?

Ahhh… Is diversity of opinion not great? To some the so different direction in opinion is scary and threatning. To me…
Only in America baby!
This is why we are so good and the leader of the world. I’m not joking…

Jake Tapper should go and work for Fox News — his claim that Obama proposes $1 Trillion in “New Taxes” over the next 10 years is false. It’s a lie.
Over 1/3 of that $1 Trillion comes from the expiration of the outlandish Bush tax cuts on the richest people in the country! The expiration of a tax cut is not a New Tax! Once again, that is patently false.
And, all these rich people will still only be paying 39% maximum tax (minus all the loopholes, which will still allow many of them to pay next to nothing), which, compared to the 75% & 80% tax brackets the United States had when it was in its “hey day” is nearly nothing.
The fact is, the wealthy people in the United States just so happen to be the greediest and most corrupt people in the history of the world.

401K gone, house almost worthless with mortgage the same, hey I have an idea – let’s raise taxes – first on over 250K workers, then over 150K workers, then over 50K workers………se any pattern folks – divided into classes…appeasement – Churchchill said it meant “your simply the last one to be eatten in the alligator swamp…”
Yes change you can believe in….hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

Ryan C,
Just because you state that my points are invalid doesn’t make it so. You act as if your word was law and therefore unimpeachable. If there was no merit to my arguments, than answer me this: why are there still pending court cases with SCOTUS asking the same questions that I am? Why haven’t they been denied that same as two dozen others? Just like this economic debate, you can’t answer that because they, and you, don’t know yet. So stop trying to explain everything away as if it doesn’t exist. When SCOTUS makes a final decision, then I’ll believe it, but not based on your determination.

You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of a nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
The late Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931-2005)

Obama is a pure tax and spend, huge govenment liberal. Be careful for what you wish for people. Thie European model has been tested and the results are not good.
Extremist like Obama will prove to be bad long term.
Watch and learn!

While all you lazy liberals are setting on your ass, try reading a history book…try reading the history of the Nazi party in Germany, early 1930′s….you just may be smart enough to see our future..
To ABC….your pay-back will be the limitation of free speach….Don’t sit there thinking I have no idea what I’m talking about….The first thing the Nazi’s did was burn the books and take over the media…..There goes free speach and your jobs as you know them. Guns are next in line…
America has been given a death blow in this last election…..
The Democrats will never be up-rooted from power due to the changing Demographics….the numbers don’t lie….the Latins and Blacks are in the majority……keep this mind as you watch us fall……..
Fifty percent of America is living off the backs of the other 50%. Just how long will it take for working 50% to join the ones sitting on their butts looking for the next handout……It won’t take long…..

“I was referring to your stereotyping of Cowboy.”
I wasn’t stereotyping him by state but by what he said in regards to who or who should not be allowed to vote per the original intent of the founders.

The repeal of the Bush Tax Cuts will raise EVERYBODY’s taxes, not just the rich. Eliminating tax deductions and increasing capital gains taxes also affect the middle class. who are we kidding here?
When businesses get taxed, they pass that tax along to us, the consumers. Life is going to get mighty expensive.
It is time to get the gov’t out of our lives. We need the FAIR TAX and now.

“Its about time somebody gave a crap about the poor and middle class in this country again.”
I’m a conservative and I agree with you – but it is the poor and middle class themselves who need to start giving a crap about their own lives, making responsible decision and being held accountable for those decisions (don’t buy a house you can’t afford, go to college instead of wining about why you can’t get ahead, maybe even CONSIDER not putting those monster truck tickets on their credit cards, or maybe working longer than a 40 hour week every once in a while).

He should be putting tarrifs on imports, that may help to bring home the work as well as raise income.

“I mean he spent $400 a pound OF OUR MONEY on Japanese steaks for his cronies for pete’s sake.”
Just last week it was $100 a lb, must be the hysterical right wing inflation.
And his cronies?
It was a bi partisan cocktail party.

The ‘Bush’ tax cut for the ‘rich’ lowered taxes for every tax bracket. By eliminating it and not giving a similar or greater tax cut for people earning less than 250k a year is in every way a tax increase for the poor and middle class. It will be an Obama tax on the middle class and poor, one of many!

Wow, what a deceptive article.
“Most of which are tax increases on individuals”
Correct, but there aren’t many ways you can reword “Increased taxes on the top 5%” that make it sound like everyone is getting taxed. Good work wordsmithing.
Oh and btw, itemized deductions aren’t being eliminated, hah!! There’s going to be a LIMIT placed on itemized deductions…which makes sense considering the 1st trick of tax evasion (oh Im sorry…tax OVOIDANCE) is to list so many things that the IRS would never check.
Look, its ok to disagree with the way Obama is handling things. Just do it in an honest and balanced fashion, and people will be more likely to take your argument seriously. Outrageous statements generate page hits, but not respect.

“Allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire will raise taxes on many more than those with incomes over $250,000. For example, married taxpayers in the lowest tax bracket (the 10% bracket) will pay at least $800.00 more in taxes per year.”
Except the only Bush tax cuts that are going to expire are those for the rich.

Bye, Bye, America! I warned my friends and family about Obamanation a year ago! Elections have conciquences and now the parasite class has won! I’m not rich and I don’t have much but I have never been given a job from a poor person have you? The lazy, unmotivated, irresponsible types have finally taken over the country. This robin hood mentality has finally destroyed america. People did not know what they were signing on to!

Well spoken jd.
Consider, however, that the majority of Obama voters are asking themselves right about now if Jessica Simpson has really gained weight.
Ryan, you still haven’t commented on whether that GPS chip on your car is a good idea.

Isn’t time we stop refering to our political allegience’s and think of ourselves as AMERICANS??? The “powers that be” love the fact that we argue like idiots over who’s fault what policy is, or who is responsible for whatever…. WE, Americans, have to band together against both these Party’s that rule our country. They are the reason we are in so much trouble. One is no better than the other. They are concerned with their own self interests…POWER,MONEY AND GREED! And those are the only things they ultimately seek. We once were a country whose leaders were afraid of us, the people. Now we have country fearful of our government. We need to take our country back from the politicians who are owned and operated by BIG BUSINESS and gigantic CORPORATIONS. Lobbying must be abolished completeley for our leaders to be able to operate without a hint of Corporate corruption. Until that time, we will be led by the President of Corporate USA. We must stand up and let them know that “we are mad as hell, and we’re not gonna take it anymore”. If we don’t do something, there we be precious little left of this once great nation for our children to live in.

If the republicans cared so much for all of america instead of the rich in the USA the population of slumland based on the slumdog millionaire movie, then do not expect much sympathy.
If the budget had to be balanced, the pentagon would have to disappear in proportion to the government itself. How many homeless does it take to fill up the military ranks at the moment? Then the problem disappears somewhere else and are ready to fight back later.

We should be retiring this year. Since the November election of the Obamination, we have watched our life savings deplete by over half. Thanks, Democrats.

I am not feeling at all badly for anyone making over $250k having to pay more taxes. Give me a break about their kids education as they could easily move into a cheaper house and drive a cheaper car. I got laid off from my white collar job making 40k and after not finding any work I had to start working for $8 per hour at a construction sight to help pay my bills until I find a decent job. I don’t live beyond my means and have no debt. If this means I have to pay a few more dollar in taxes to help my country, then be it. But, the rich should be paying the same percentage. I don’t have itemized deduction opportunities and I GREATLY disagree to some rich people paying less taxes than I do because their personal accountants can get them away with it. Hooray for letting this expire. Anyone that feels sorry for rich paying their taxes is an idiot. We have it better than 99% of this world. Americans are just spoiled.

This will jump start the economy…LMFAO!!! Thanks to all who voted us into a Marxist goverment. You think things are bad now? You haven’t seen anything yet.

We have become a tyrannical nation of mob rule.
Good luck sucking out taxes boys and girls.. jobs are gong to disappear right along with them and you’ll be reduced to goosestepping with Obama’s civilian army.

“I whither in the face of your well reasoned, intellectual rebuttal.”
Yes because declaration of fascism sans evidence beyond his raising taxes on the rich is the height of intellectualism…..well perhaps right wing intellectuals.
“Or perhaps I misunderstood the whole cap and trade scheme that will attempt to control industry’s production of carbon.”
By your logic, environmental laws are an attempt to control a company production of pollution.
“And when they legalize all illegal immigrants you’ll be all for that won’t you”
This is quite amusing.
Why are illegal immigrants here?
Because they can get job at cut pay with zero rights since they are here illegally. They can be mistreated exposed to dangerous working condition and get paid a tiny percentage of what their labor is worth.
I suppose if the Obama admin sought to cut off this work by coming down hard on employers exploiting these people, you would call him a fascist.

Like I said yesterday, if u don’t like me, that’s fine. Drudge will tell you where to go tomorrow, and here you are. I would be willing to bet that if I went to drudge tomorrow and went wherever his red siren pointed I would find you sharing your “wisdom”.
Its kind of like a dog. Sure you’re smart but you’re easily led by the nose.
You can try to quickly post on some other threads so you can disprove me.
But watching you squirm I think I hit the mark.
Posted by: Ryan C | Feb 26, 2009 8:40:42 PM
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First of all, I don’t know you so I don’t know whether I like you or not. However, I don’t like your sophomoric approach to online debate and your desire to label people that disagree with you as being stupid.
Once again, what is your level of education? You want to question everyone else’s level of education that votes differently than you, but yet you don’t have the character to provide us with your academic credentials. Are you feeling a little inadequate? Or are you worried about your reputation here being tainted?
Your last sentence doesn’t even make sense. The only squirming going on here is by you, which is why you won’t answer questions or even attempt to acknowledge points that debunk your constant B.S. Anyone can see that here, whether their opinions agree with mine or yours. Instead you love tossing out insulting comments and analogies, like comparing me to a dog, instead of actually posting something of value.
Once again, regardless of how I ended up here, that doesn’t automatically rebut my points of view. You’re spending all your time questioning my motivations instead of the content of what I’ve posted. I think that tells everyone what kind of intellectual lightweight and fraud you truly are. But yet you act arrogant and smug. Talk about delusional.
OK, it’s time for you to respond with something about Drudge and an insulting analogy or two.