Feb 26, 2009 3:40pm

Off the Cliff

G.M.’s unhappy news today is countered by two hard-nosed results in our latest ABC News/Washington Post poll – the single most popular and the single least popular policy options we tested. Together they suggest the public is not in a forgiving mood.

The single most popular policy proposal, endorsed by 76 percent of Americans, is for stricter regulation of the country’s banks and other financial institutions. Indeed among those who favor such regulations, nearly two-thirds say they should be “much” stricter.

The least popular proposal we tested is of particular interest to General Motors, which today announced that it lost $9.6 billion in the last three months of 2008: Sixty-eight percent of Americans oppose additional federal loans to the auto industry, even if needed to stave off bankruptcy.

Loaning money to the automakers never has been popular. In our polling in late November and December a consistent 54 to 57 percent of Americans opposed the first round of loans. Today, not only has opposition risen, so has the intensity of that sentiment: Fifty-one percent "strongly" oppose such loans, up 17 points.

Interestingly, both of these – regulating the banks more strictly, and not making further loans to the automakers – are among the issues on which significant majorities of Democrats, independents and Republicans agree.

We explored some of the reasons for opposition to automaker loans, not in this poll, but back in mid-December. Barely over a third bought the argument that Big 3 bankruptcies would further damage the broader economy. And three-quarters thought the automakers' problems were chiefly caused not by the bad economy – but by their own poor management.

These kinds of views – informed by the public's vast economic discontent - help explain the line President Obama tried to walk in his address Tuesday night: drawing a distinction between bailing out the economy, on one hand; and, on the other, bailing out the institutions that walked, ran or drove their Azteks off this cliff.

User Comments

I for one don’t see how this country has any future without an industrial base. I for one am in favor of doing all that is necesary to repair Ford and GM.
What we should have done twenty years ago is to establish an economic environment where fuel efficient cars would be favored. Ford, GM and Chrysler made the cars they did in response to an economic environment that favored gas guzzlers.
Letting these companies die would be a significant blow to any effort to re-industrialize this country. As for Chrysler, I’m afraid that it is already gone.

Posted by: John | February 26, 2009, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

Lets stop being devided and be responsible for our actions as
americans.Lets face it. If you are over 55 years of age you can understand of how good we have it today with all the comforts. Todays younger persons are being protected from real life wars as if they are only movies on the wide screen while those serving know better.
Support your President he needs you and let your representators know this so they stop there noncense of being so rightous.

Posted by: thomas | February 26, 2009, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

I too believe there is far too much at stake to allow American automakers to fail. What is irritating to me is that there some members of Congress apparently so dense they can’t see the forest for the trees. Buying cars for federal employees is a good idea. At this time most Americans can’t afford new cars, foreign or domestic. However the federal government can best help the automakers by buying cars from them and not loaning or giving them taxpayer dollars.

Posted by: Brodie | February 26, 2009, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

I’ll agree with Brodie and go one step further to say that a government contract with GM and Chrysler to buy a couple hundred thousand ultra-fuel efficient cars could go a LONG way toward actually STIMULATING the economy. (And I don’t know about you, but I’m sure not too stimulated by the recent 3.5T budget announcement – in fact, I’m downright petrified that this is the end of the world as we know it.) Back in the old days the government would back companies like Boeing and Lockheed in a big way, and the result of the joint effort was some of the best technology this country has ever produced. (Anything without a rocket motor flown faster than an SR-71? That was built in the 1960’s. Anyone been to the moon lately?) Bush had the right concept in resurrecting the 1960’s effort for man-in-space with man to Mars – BUT he should have put that effort much closer to the ground. With the same determination that got us to the moon in the 1960′s, this country STILL has the ability to get itself back on track. LEADERSHIP, folks, is what we need. Not leadership to spend 3.5 trillion dollars in deficit money our great-great-great grandkids won’t be able to pay off (or will bankrupt our economy trying to pay off any sooner) but leadership to get our industry back on track. Only problem is, the new leadership in Washington, so far is leading the old guard in industry, well, like the blind leading the blind. (Or worse, like Peter lining up to rob Paul.) That’s just not going to get it done. Think creatively, folks.

Posted by: 3.5B in debt (this year) | February 26, 2009, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

This country is fit to run one of those GM or Chrysler metal boxes. These people are
talking about airbags and seatbelts in great Indian Nano?. I cannot control but
laugh looking at the gas guzzlers in US of A. They can try learning how to manufacture wonderful cars like Nano before commenting on cars like Nano..

Posted by: xyz | February 27, 2009, 1:26 am 1:26 am

If GM can not make cars that people want to buy then why give them billions of dollars to keep a dead horse walking?Let them fold up and close the doors.

Posted by: fcsanders | February 28, 2009, 6:34 am 6:34 am

how can any sane person argue this auto bail out is worth it? all it does is give the uaw worker 90% of wages plus full benefits ,indefinitely while laid off. chapter 11 will not cause them to go out of business, just throw out the old union contract

Posted by: al | February 28, 2009, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

GM does not need any more federal money. And the buy American part of the stimulus package should bother all of the American union members because part of their benefits are funded by GM’s sales of autos in Europe, Asia, South America and China. The government has a tendency not to think through a problem but say what they think will sell in the big cities.

Posted by: Pablo | March 1, 2009, 12:45 am 12:45 am

Okay, let’s think this through–their high school graduate assembly line workers are making more than degreed scientists at large pharmaceutical companies. If their line workers make that, what do their engineers or managers make? All of these guys have gravy jobs, and it’s the reason that an American truck could cost nearly $40,000. Don’t give them another stinking dime! Look, if GM shuts down, someone else who actually has some SOUND BUSINESS PRACTICES will buy it up and open the factories again. Then we’ll get the quality Chevy has produced in the past for half the price–as it SHOULD be. Then the economy can come back because people will actually be able to afford the cars…

Posted by: rob | March 2, 2009, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm

I know that some of the Anti American crowd really dislike American Manufactures. Certainly the Detroit headquartered firms have made mistakes on product mix (including acquisition of struggling foreign brands). The domestics are, however, suffering declines in sales that are only marginally worse than Toyota and Honda. Some of our tech firm success (e.g., Microsoft)is more attributable to their near monopoly control of standards than from innovation.

Posted by: merchantilist | March 4, 2009, 10:28 am 10:28 am

There should be no government subsidies for business, as long as the government doesn’t handicap these businesses from succeeding by attaching regulations that prevent them from competing.
The car companies should not be held hostage to union contracts, CAFE mileage standards, or government mandates at all. If being held to these forces them to go out of business, then this has to occur to show the public that government intervention and union behavior undermines the public good. There is no reason that I should be sending my tax dollars to help some government official pick winners and losers and to subsidize the UAW.

Posted by: Morris | March 4, 2009, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm

Only a percentage of car buyers in the US are motivated by mileage. I know I am not. Forcing car companies in the US to meet arbitrary mileage standards is a sure-fire way to destroy them, as the only reason why people consider American cars and trucks is the superior power and towing capacity. The quality of American products is miserable compared to the foreign products. I know I bought an American car 2 months ago and I’ve now had 3 breakdowns with it. I’ll never buy another american car again. What a fool I was.

Posted by: OL | March 4, 2009, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm

Let GM go. Only so many cars will sold in the U.S. If GM doesn’t make them somebody else will. Other auto companies are making a profit by manufacturing cars in this country.Why can’t GM ? Because they make a second class product and expect us to buy it because “It’s made in the U.S.”. All the union cares about is how much they can squeeze out of the company, all the management cares about is how much they can squeeze out of the union. Nobody cares about the product.
Ransy

Posted by: Randy Tarver | March 5, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

I think they should let GM go down. We live in a Capitalist country and this is the way it works. If we keep bailing it out, GM will never improve and it will never be profitable. Why should the taxpayers keep doing this?
If we let GM fail, the smart people, who know know how to run this type of business, will come in and create a new American car company that can compete.

Posted by: Marie | March 5, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

please remind people the “GM” is not just a Corporation. It is thousands of friends and families just like you and I. We need (must) keep them working. I truly believe that we need a U. S. auto industry. If not, you might as well sign over this country to China.

Posted by: bill mckee | March 5, 2009, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

I dare anyone to blame the union for Gm mess they got themselve in. I worked hard at Gm I thank god for having a union to stand up for us. We deserve all the benefits that the union got for us and deserve more.Its easy for people to say go into bankruptices because they never worked there. But out!

Posted by: Mary Williams | March 5, 2009, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm

Why should we worry about bailing out GM, these people are a bunch of uneducated overpaid employees who have better benifits than anyone else in the country. They are not willing to give up anything to keep their jobs. So why should the American people who have lost their jobs care or feel obligated to jump over the cliff for these people.
The people who have the money to buy cars now. Want a better more dependable car. They want to get their money’s worth also.
I say good riddence. I don’t owe them anything. I wouldn’t drive one of their cars if they gave it to me. Once you have had a Toyota, you never go back.

Posted by: Judy | March 5, 2009, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

Let GM go into bankruptcey. The
CEO should lose his job. He has not been a very good leader up to now. It’s his fault GM is in the situation they are in anyway. Most of their employees make too much in comparison to other car companies besides. Being in bankruptcy doesn’t mean they will have to close their doors, just make budget concessions.

Posted by: Neal | March 5, 2009, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

I think the executive officers of these companies should be putting their OWN MONEY into their companies!
If they are so sure their companies can succeed………then invest some of the MILLIONS they’ve made while the companies has deteriorated.
Maybe the “bail out” should be a “match” to their investments……and maybe they’ll all get even richer when things get better,huh??

Posted by: Kathryn | March 6, 2009, 12:22 am 12:22 am

……..I think they should file for bankruptcy, That’s prbably that is the only way to avoid paying huge severance packages to all the executive that have been on duty….those contracts should be made null & void….
If the average American does a poor job, all they get is a pink slip…..that is all they should get for doing such a poor job.

Posted by: Kathryn | March 6, 2009, 12:39 am 12:39 am

Hey all you pro foreign product people.How long have you lived in this country?Do you remember world war one or two?Did you have a relative who died in tne war.How many americans were killed and tortured by the japanese or the north koreans,Germans.You dishonor all their deaths when you dont support american products,what few there are left.Men and women risk there lives each day for this nation.Whats the point if our own citizens are going to sell us out.keep it up and your job will go sooner or later.Unions that are being bad mouthed are the reason that the wages for everyone have risen.Watch what happens after this great rush to the bottom of the wage scale.You think there isn’t some foreigner out there willingto do your job for a lot less.Wake up people before it to late

Posted by: Randy Beebe | March 6, 2009, 12:52 am 12:52 am

I really hope that politicians’ support of the first round of aid to GM becomes a campaign issue. I can’t think of a poorer investment than to pour Billions more in taxpayer loans into companies than the companies are actually worth as measured by market value, and without a legitimate plan to return to viability. GM’s current flirtation with bankruptcy proves the initial investment of taxpayer money was absurd. It’s time to let these companies go bankrupt, suffer the consequences of their antiquated business model, and reorganize on their own dime into a structure than can be profitable.

Posted by: Tony | March 6, 2009, 3:20 am 3:20 am

Shame on Americans-I believe the stock market will crash with the failure of GM.Why would any American want the last American manufacturer to go bankrupt?Retirees have already lost their savings in the market and now to loose their pensions- only in Russia do they say to bad to their seniors- oh but we are in America.Lets root for America to suceed not root for our demise.Do we want China and Japan to manufacturer everything we use.Lets look at the big picture.

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