Feb 13, 2009 3:37pm

President Obama and Beverly Eckert, Victim of 9/11 and the Buffalo Plane Crash

In an official White House photo by Pete Souza, President Obama shakes hands with Beverly Eckert on Feb. 6, 2009, during a meeting in Washington, D.C., at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building with a group who lost family members in the 9/11 and the U.S.S. Cole tragedies.

Eckert lost her husband Sean Rooney on 9/11, and she was killed last night in the plane crash near Buffalo, NY.

Some journalists reporting her tragic story  have stated that the only comfort for the family is that the two are now together in another place.

Today’s discussion point: Do you think that’s the kind of thing reporters should declare as fact? Politely please.

– jpt

User Comments

“Some journalists reporting her tragic story have stated that the only comfort for the family is that the two are now together in another place.
Today’s discussion point: Do you think that’s the kind of thing reporters should declare as fact? Politely please.”
If that is how the family feels, I don’t see an issue with it.
If the reporters are just stating that with no clue how the family feels, I think that would be shoddy journalism.

Posted by: Ryan C | February 13, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

Journalists should only report it as the view of the family, if that is indeed the family’s view.
Did they (or she) have children? I haven’t seen it mentioned.

Posted by: MayBee | February 13, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

I wasn’t very clear. They should not report it as fact. If it is the family’s view, reporters should say, “The family tells us…” or “The family believes…”.

Posted by: MayBee | February 13, 2009, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

No.

Posted by: Teresa | February 13, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

I find it more troubling that 9/11 victims were paid millions,while OKC bombing victims received very little.

Posted by: joe smith | February 13, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Unless they are quoting directly from a family member, then no, journalists should not espouse their own opinion as fact.

Posted by: Sue | February 13, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

“I wasn’t very clear. They should not report it as fact. If it is the family’s view, reporters should say, “The family tells us…” or “The family believes…”.
Agreed.

Posted by: Ryan C | February 13, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

I have my Dad’s ashes and will hold on to them until my Mom dies. The two of them will be scattered together. I do not believe in heaven or hell but I will believe that they will be together in death.
I have no problem with the statement that the family believes that the two are now together, especially considering how similarly they died. If they believe in heaven, I have no problem with that. If the reporter is interjecting his or her own beliefs, then, no, the reporter should stick to the facts.

Posted by: Roxie | February 13, 2009, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

What’s the current definition of a journalist? WWCD? (What would Cronkite do)

Posted by: Steve From NH | February 13, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

If a family member says that publicly as the family’s opinion, then a reporter can and should report that statement.
If however, the reporter just states that, then they are putting themself in the position of a “god”. They should not make such a declaration.

Posted by: JD | February 13, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

jpt writes:
“Some journalists reporting her tragic story have stated that the only comfort for the family is that the two are now together in another place.
Today’s discussion point: Do you think that’s the kind of thing reporters should declare as fact?”
–> “Reporters” can’t reliably assure anybody of a life after death, let alone of a benign afterlife featuring marital reunions in heavenly surroundings.
If that’s the statement from some member of “the family” (hopefully from a NAMED individual), well … while it’s not very nice for the for-profit press to be pressing the recently-bereaved for public statements to further their commercial enterprises, or prying into their funerary beliefs, it seems that “now they’re together in Heaven”, however unlikely, is harmless blabla.

Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 13, 2009, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

Are the journalists (unquoted by Jake) spokespersons for the families? I think there is insufficient information to answer a question like “Do you think that’s the kind of thing reporters should declare as fact?” If they are reporting what the family said it’s a fact, if not it’s not a fact. But we have no details provided us.
I think it is a fact that most Americans are saddened by this tragic news. Certainly this American is.
Paul

Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

Forgot to ask: Was one of the “journalists” Joe the Plumber?

Posted by: Steve From NH | February 13, 2009, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

“WWCD? (What would Cronkite do)”
If ANYthing, let’s hope he would FLEETINGLY display a foto, perhaps a wedding foto or, if there are children, a “family” portrait in which everybody looks good … without recounting religious remarks from traumatized and/or sleep-deprived survivors.

Posted by: Human Survivor | February 13, 2009, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

What Would Jack Anderson Do?

Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 13, 2009, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm

Absolutely inappropriate, wrong and rude to make such a comment on the part of a “journalist”.
Any premature unnatural death is a tragedy and accident that was not avoided. Just because it happened twice there is nothing to infer “happiness”.
Two wrongs do not a right make. The remainder of the family relives the trauma, but the “journalists” have a mawkish comment to make?
Disgusting.

Posted by: KS | February 13, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

Journalists these days consistently insert their opinions and emotions into reportage. It’s not surprising because it’s the modern day norm. Fox gives you the GOP view, MSNBC gives you the liberal view — almost every media outlet and reporter has an angle. Those who don’t are few and far between. I heard Tim Russert outline this “new journalism” in one of his last talks.

Posted by: hopesprings52 | February 13, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

Even if you’re atheist, they’re still together in the same place – the ground. Why is this a big deal?

Posted by: Dan | February 13, 2009, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

Reporters should stick to reporting the facts known and not be injecting their own “feelings” or opinions into their work. Unfortunately, that kind of reporting appears to have become a lost art.

Posted by: Sigmonde | February 13, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

Whatever the family’s view on the subject, the two deceased are indeed “together in another place” even if that place is nowhere.

Posted by: Romatrast | February 13, 2009, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

What difference does it make where they are. We lost a truly lovely lady, whom I was previleged to have known. This is such a tragic loss for anyone who knew Beverly. May she be at peace wherever she is.

Posted by: Abbie | February 13, 2009, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

Well, the odds of a couple dying in different airplane accidents are very very small..
please a statistician can help here, but it would be less than 1 in 10000000000, so less probable that winning the powerball twice…
or not?
this is definitely news..

Posted by: statistics | February 13, 2009, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

It seems to me what would provide the most comfort to their memory and our country in general would be for the President to follow through on what Eckert hoped for and that is a thorough and comprehensive investigation as to why our government failed to protect us on 9/11.
The truth.
That is what she fought for.
That is what all of us deserve to know.

Posted by: Elma | February 13, 2009, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

Any good journalist reporting in a professional capacity and from a position of authority should never confuse “FAITH” with “FACTS” — religious or otherwise.

Posted by: Jan | February 13, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

I find it interesting that the chosen point of discussion centers on the appropriateness of journalist injecting personal views regarding afterlife generates a consensus in the negative however no one bothers to ask whether in a story of double tragedy it is relevant to use it as a photo op for a new administration? Your values are showing.

Posted by: Charlie | February 13, 2009, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

It is beyond coincidence that the most intelligent and credible surviving family member from the 9/11 catastrophe has died in a plane wreck. As someone pointed out earlier the odds are impossibly high. For it to happen on Friday the 13th and for the media to jump on the story and drag her name through the dirt by injecting their pointless opinions while we just go about our day shows just how terrified we as a people have become of our own government.
We do not have time to grieve. We all need to stand together to get our Constitution back or Beverly was just another news story for everyone to voice their own pointless opinions over.

Posted by: LastCynicStanding | February 13, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

It’s no big deal that the reporter injected his or her religiosity into the piece. I’ve seen a lot worse than that in the state of journalism.

Posted by: kathy | February 13, 2009, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

I love how the article glosses over the fact she was a “troofer”.
We wouldn’t want to draw attention to that would we?
9/11 was an inside job!
Those Americans commenting on here should be ashamed.
So far only one person other than me has even mentioned the MAIN POINT of this ladies fight for the truth!
We need a true independent investigation NOW!

Posted by: Danny Diamond | February 13, 2009, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

well, maybe this happened because of how obama just stopped the trial of a terrorist, and is closing gitmo who holds many of the terrorists, and it was a way for her name and mission to become the forefront of conversation, and that so american can remember what happened on 9/11, as obviously, most liberals choose to blame the americans and not the terrorists.
she did not die in without a final reminder to the american people of the destruction that this president is about to do to us when he pardons the terrorists that killed not only her husband, but the additional thousands of americans who died on 9/11, and on the u.s.s. cole, and in iraq, and by other terrorist attacks.
it is just a shame that it took her tragic death, to get america’s attention again.

Posted by: nc girl | February 13, 2009, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

nc girl—when does 9/11 ever leave america’s attention? you have an active imagination.

Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

She was flying to attend the 58th anniversary of her husband’s birthday.
Either you believe it or not, I think she and her husband has met in the same place.
Maybe her husband was waiting for her in heaven…who knows.
RIP to both of them.

Posted by: catleya | February 13, 2009, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

catleya, that is a beautiful sentiment and what’s really important. people either have faith or don’t and find different ways of comforting themselves. whatever thoughts help people through their struggles. i think it is a tragedy and very sad. and why Jake is trying to broil up a controversy maybe someone will ask “what was the purpose of your question.” pitting media against media in a self-destructive stunt.
grieve for these people and don’t care about the journalists of if what they say is “true.” truth almost has no definition these days.

Posted by: Paul Wall | February 13, 2009, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

With respect, the reporter’s opinions about the afterlife seem an imposition on the family’s grief. How do you know what they believe? It comes off as kind of just another platitude.
Naturally, this is just a blog entry, though. Opinions are fine to add here.
However, this story is tragic, pure and simple. Don’t add saccharine window dressing to it. Just my opinion, of course.

Posted by: Tungsten | February 13, 2009, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

It was a nice gesture, but noone, journalist or otherwise, should ever presume to know what gives a family comfort after a tragedy. (Also, never ever ever use the word closure. Please.)

Posted by: CJ | February 13, 2009, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

28,000 flights take off from U.S. airports every day. The ONE that just HAPPENS to have a person who is fighting for the truth regarding 9/11 goes down, killing everyone on board. Not a word about that on any of the “news” outlets. They have the “Business as usual” attitude, and my skin is crawling. If this doesn’t wake up the sleeping, then I see absolutely no hope for the world.

Posted by: Lee | February 13, 2009, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

If Eckert told journalists what she finds comforting, then it’s appropriate to report it. If not, then it’s entirely inappropriate to make such baseless assertions or to speculate as to how Eckert does or does not feel. I certainly don’t need a journalist to interpret such things for me!
I suspect this photo op is designed to “distract” from stories about Obama’s incredibly embarrassing performance when he met with 9/11 families to explain his suspension of military tribunals. [See the Feb. 12th Editorial in the Washington Times: "Obama's outrageous oversight."] It was really quite stunning, and I don’t think I’ve seen a word about it anywhere else. Apparently, the photo ops are working.

Posted by: JM Hanes | February 14, 2009, 4:50 am 4:50 am

I have been working with Beverly Eckert for the past couple of years on a book about her 9-11 government reform activities. In addition to being a courageous and inspiring woman who played a large part in accomplishing great positive change in our government, she was a dear friend. So, for the record:
1) Beverly Eckert was a critical supporter of the work of the 9-11 Commission. She of course would have liked to have more questions answered, but she was on the whole satisfied that the 9-11 Commission Report was an honest effort in the right direction. In short, she did not espouse any 9-11 conspiracy theories. In fact, she worked tirelessly to have the recommendations of the the report made into law.
2) If friends or relatives of Beverly believe that she has joined her husband, and tell this to a reporter, fine. It is part of the story. As for Beverly’s views of the afterlife? I am debating whether that should go into the book. What is important is that she showed great kindness, devotion, patriotism and selflessness. These are values all would do well to emulate.
3) Beverly strongly agreed with President Obama’s decision to close Guantanamo’s detainee facilities and to speedily try terror suspects in the US –something the previous administration utterly failed to do, by the way.

Posted by: Anthony Toth | February 14, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

Anyone paying attention has seen that journalism is more conjecture and personal opinion than fact these days. I haven’t seen balanced, objective reporting in probably 20 years.

Posted by: SteveS | February 14, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm

I can’t believe someone complained because a journalist said Beverly and her husband are now together….
Should the journalist have said these two were souless and are now nothing but ashes ..
I find her death suspicious also…It is a safe bet she would have seen through Obama’s schemes…
But like the devil is in the details, the devil provides for his own too..It may be a little while before we know the real truth

Posted by: ruth | February 14, 2009, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

Beverly, was a friend of a friend of mine. When I read of her death. My exact thought was “now she is with her husband” I loved reading the same thing.
Peace to all, we all in this together and our actions need to support the common good – that is the way civilization survive.

Posted by: Denice | February 14, 2009, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

I can’t believe how many buffoons out there don’t see the direct connection – she stood up, spoke out, and sued the emperor et al, declaring they never had clothes (or penises) and was striding to prove such. Then she died. Gee. Is that so hard to figure out why?

Posted by: Bill Getas | November 24, 2010, 4:27 am 4:27 am

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