By MichaelJames

Feb 28, 2009 5:44pm

Sebelius Tapped for HHS

An administration official tells ABC News that this evening, President Obama asked Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius to serve as his Secretary of Health and Human Services, and she accepted.

The President will formally announce the nomination on Monday afternoon at the White House.

Sebelius has been the leading contender for the job since the beginning of the month. The Kansas governor is the state’s former Insurance Commissioner and an early backer of then-Sen. Obama’s presidential campaign.

Whereas President Obama’s first pick for the job, former Sen. Tom Daschle, was also supposed to be White House health care czar, a White House official says it’s likely that someone other than Sebelius will fill that job.

Around the same time the Sebelius pick came to light, tweetin’ Claire McCaskill, the junior senator from Missouri, just posted on her twitter page that she’s "A little anxious about the announcement of HHS Sec.Hopeful that my pal Gov of Kansas will get the call. It should happen today or tomorrow."

Fret no more, senator.

- jpt

User Comments

Terrific! Now, let’s see if the Republicans will try to trash her. Somehow I suspect that they will be too busy trying to find someone for Obama to pound in the 2012 elections.

Posted by: roxanne | February 28, 2009, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

This is a tactical mistake. It is a tactical mistake because the democratic party will be giving Kansas an excuse or reason to revert to the republican party well before the next election.
Why he insists on asking people who are already employed elsewhere for this position when he has a perfectly good candidate in Howard Dean, I simply don’t understand unless it is personal hostility between Dean or Obama or Dean and Emauel. If the problem is Emauel, my polite suggestion is that Obama fire Emauel and hire Dean.

Posted by: jan | February 28, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

Hurry up and get her out of KS!!! We need to balance our budget and Katy is more worried about the NEA than the rest of the state!! GOOD RIDDANCE!

Posted by: Obama Binbiden | February 28, 2009, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

As long as she changes her stance on that H1B visa thingee, she’ll be alright. We do not need any more H1Bs in this country while so many Americans are put out of work by them. Our economy can’t take it any longer. In fact, the H1Bs are contributing to the breakdown of Americans’ mental health!

Posted by: Common Sense | February 28, 2009, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Good riddance. She was trying to illegally transfer money and stopped income tax refunds and almost had no money to make state payroll.

Posted by: Mark | February 28, 2009, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm

Really? If anything short of doubling the budget for the National Institutes of Health, which cure your cancers and make you and Pb0 live longer, it would be a failure.

Posted by: kat | February 28, 2009, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

“If the problem is Emauel, my polite suggestion is that Obama fire Emauel and hire Dean.”
Nothing will happen with Sebelius. Just right for this administration.
Isn’t it Gibbs who doesn’t like Dean? Dean’s worth a dozen of ANYone in the “Obama” organization. Especially hahaha Gibbs.

Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 28, 2009, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

>>>>I simply don’t understand unless it is personal hostility between Dean or Obama or Dean and Emauel.
Obama dissed Howard Dean and many Dems by moving the DNC to Chicago after he won the nomination. Dean didn’t even attend the inauguration.
Dean would have been an excellent HHS secretary – but Obama is owned and takes orders from his masters.

Posted by: JoseyJ | February 28, 2009, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

I have relatives in Kansas who will be glad to see this governor leave their state as they did not approve of her handling of things. At any rate, I don’t know what she’ll do as Secretary of Health and Human Services but I think if she gets in, we should give her a chance.

Posted by: Acharka | February 28, 2009, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

“Dean would have been an excellent HHS secretary – but Obama is owned and takes orders from his masters.”
Dean would have been an excellent PRESIDENT … and spared us Iraq and all that … except for wannabe uber-WASP John Kerry, who brought … the ghastly Obama.

Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 28, 2009, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

PB0 is such a disaster.
Good luck and good night.

Posted by: two cats | February 28, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm

“PB0 is such a disaster.”
Indeed.

Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 28, 2009, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

When the guv gets to DC everyone that asked “Whats the Matter With Kansas?” will have their question answered.

Posted by: smith | February 28, 2009, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

kat
/—–
Sounds more like that 10 times H1B’s are need to discover a drug to cure your mental disorder. You are so distorted by our Greatest Smartest Clueless Leader.
—–/
Is this the same kat that kept posting that divide by zero equals zero? Clueless you say?
For the record, for the most part, H1Bs only COPY what Americans create then outsource the knowledge to India. India then turns around and charges Americans more for what was developed in the U.S. They did the same thing to the medical industry after we paid for the medical research.
Please get a clue.

Posted by: Common Sense | February 28, 2009, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

>>Dean would have been an excellent PRESIDENT … and spared us Iraq and all that … except for wannabe uber-WASP John Kerry, who brought … the ghastly Obama.>>
1. The Iraq war was in full swing when Dean ran for president so please explain how he would have spared us.
2. Also, how is Kerry, a Catholic of Jewish heritage, a WASP–uber or otherwise? Me thinks you don’t know what you’re talking about!

Posted by: Carolinagirl | February 28, 2009, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm

And there’s a “White House health care czar” yet to come?
Maybe THAT be Dean … ONE appointee who isn’t going to turn out to be a risible disaster would be nice.

Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 28, 2009, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

Is this the same kat that kept posting that divide by zero equals zero?
Posted by: Common Sense | Feb 28, 2009 6:31:44 PM
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Nope. That was the real one, a Smartest Clueless PB0 supporter, i.e., your kind.

Posted by: kat | February 28, 2009, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

kat
/—–
Sounds more like that 10 times H1B’s are need to discover a drug to cure your mental disorder. You are so distorted by our Greatest Smartest Clueless Leader.
—–/
Is this the same kat that kept posting that divide by zero equals zero? Clueless you say?
For the record, for the most part, H1Bs only COPY what Americans create then outsource the knowledge to India. India then turns around and charges Americans more for what was developed in the U.S. They did the same thing to the medical industry after we paid for the medical research.
Please get a clue.

Posted by: Common Sense | February 28, 2009, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

For the record, for the most part, H1Bs only COPY what Americans create then outsource the knowledge to India. India then turns around and charges Americans more for what was developed in the U.S. They did the same thing to the medical industry after we paid for the medical research.
Please get a clue.
Posted by: Common Sense | Feb 28, 2009 6:31:44 PM
+++++++
Where there is a Smartest Clueless Leader, there are lots of Dumbest Clueless Followers.
No wonder he got elected. What a pity!

Posted by: kat | February 28, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

We Kansas residents won’t be heartbroken to see Sebelius go.
Lt. Gov. Parkinson should prove to be interesting. He was a Republican until he switched parties to run on Sebelius’ ticket in 2006.
I guess we’ll find out if he’s a Republican or Democrat at heart.

Posted by: MizFW | February 28, 2009, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

“how is Kerry, a Catholic of Jewish heritage, a WASP–uber or otherwise?”
Aside from the fact that Kerry’s “Jewish heritage” snuck up on him by surprise during his throwing of the last election — and that his marital history’s waaay more WASP-ish than “Catholic” — the word “wannabe”, in “wannabe uber-WASP” is key.

Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 28, 2009, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

(In)Human (un)Intelligence, why would you want your beloved Dean to work for that “ghastly” Obama?

Posted by: Carolinagirl | February 28, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

If gains tax goes from 15% to 39%, or 28% or whatever increase congress comes up with for President Obama will all that own stock with a realizable gain sell off this year to save the taxes? ….Just askin

Posted by: smith | February 28, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

Great another Bilderburg group member to push socialized medicine down our throats. So much for getting “access” to critical care you “don’t qualify for” anymore. Here come the fees and copays and garnished wages. Ooh, I just can’t wait!!! Save me from myself Barack, SHOW me “the way”!!!

Posted by: hmn... | February 28, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

Perhaps now that the Guv is leaving we will get the new power plants and the thousands of jobs that could have been had she not vetoed the plants

Posted by: smith | February 28, 2009, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

He can have her, we don’t want her!!! Her spending programs have almost put us in the same boat with Cali (broke)…that’s pretty sad…..

Posted by: samhiguchi | February 28, 2009, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

I agree that Dean would have made another excellent choice. But the President hires his staff….like Bush hired Rumsfeld…and Scoooooter and above the law Rove. All States are struggling…Kansas isn’t the only one. This is the result of Bush, Wall Street and greedy bankers. The ‘scumbags”

Posted by: sngeorgia | February 28, 2009, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

From an article about rice on Bloomberg
Chavez, a former Army officer, has imposed controls on staples such as rice, pasta, cooking oil and milk in a bid to control inflation fueled by government spending on social programs for the poor. Consumer prices rose 32 percent last year, the most among 78 economies tracked by Bloomberg. Food prices jumped 47 percent.
be afraid

Posted by: smith | February 28, 2009, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

Oh lord.

Posted by: BikernAz | February 28, 2009, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

“why would you want your beloved Dean to work for that “ghastly” Obama?”
Having the “Obama” organization — whose idea of a good time was to recycle Tom Daschle — take credit for his work would be a small price to pay for having Dr. Dean at the helm on health care.
Obama’s pretty as a princess, but inasmuch as his every unscripted impulse is wrong, looks and packaging aren’t, in the run-up to the semi-long run beyond His first quarter, going to make much difference. Wait and see.

Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 28, 2009, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

“FYI, Catholics can convert, you know.”
Doesn’t Kerry still claim to be “Catholic”? Maybe he still thinks he can be … Pope?

Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 28, 2009, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

smith,
“If gains tax goes from 15% to 39%, or 28% or whatever increase congress comes up with for President Obama will all that own stock with a realizable gain sell off this year to save the taxes? ….Just askin”
No. They did that last year. This year, they are regretting it and so now there comes a new set of republican threats (nationalization of banks) to further cripple the investors. Obama and the heads of all the banks are the ONLY people telling the public that those rumors are not true.

Posted by: Common Sense | February 28, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

Claire McCaskill should stop worrying about her friend Sebelious and worry about her own political future. Maybe the Obama administration has something for her because she’s going to have a tough time getting re-elected in Missouri.

Posted by: Carrie | February 28, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

Seeing i live in kansas and have done so for over 40 years and watched the republicans screw us around here,there’s a few things i can say. When and if she goes maybe we will get more people employed again,cause as it stands right now,when the airplane plants lay off tens of thousands of people here,it literally almost drives us into a depression not a recession. Also maybe our schools will get better help. As to our health care sheesh she isn’t doing a good job here so what makes anyone thing she will do any better up there? We need tax reief,not some coal plants that will affect our air quality,even though it would provide jobs way out there in the country.

Posted by: Beadazzle | February 28, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

That is the best news I have heard all day. Get her out of the state of Kansas. Now maybe we as Kansas people can start keeping more of our money!!!

Posted by: Ron | February 28, 2009, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm

“Well, In(Human), why you want your beloved Dr. Dean in an administration that’s sure to fail is beyond me.”
National Health is more important to the poor — and to the unrich in general — than anything else.
“It’s probably beyond you, too, since you’ve contradicted yourself about 10 times in this thread!”
Nooo contradictions about it: if Dean (instead of Kerry) had been the Democratic nominee, Iraq and Afghanistan — which Obama’s extending, amid many weasel words, indefinitely in the first case, and escalating in the second — would be over. And don’t forget … Pakistan. And don’t forget executive privilege, and domestic surveillance … both of which have become beloved of the “Obama” organization.
The nice thing about Dr. Dean (compared to hothouse corporate construct “Obama”, for example) is that Dean … uh, you know … had substantial ACCOMPLISHMENTS behind him — being a doctor, being a governor — when he came to national politics (as a critic of the FCC, at a time when standing up to BushCo was almost unthinkable).
But … let it go.

Posted by: Human Intelligence | February 28, 2009, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm

Obama has exactly ONE liberal in his cabinet. Pathetic.

Posted by: Flash Override | February 28, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm

Mark,
I can understand people not remembering history, as long as it is ancient. You, however, seem to be having trouble remembering things that happened only a couple of weeks ago.
The Governor did NOT stop tax refunds or threaten to cut off state payrolls; our honored legislature did that in an attempt to force her to agree to a budget deal that she did not want. The “illegal” funds transfer was the completely legal compromise that she agreed to in order to end the legislature’s dishonorable action in holding state employees’ paychecks and citizens’ tax refunds hostage.
This is one Kansan who is going to miss Kathleen Sebelius; she has done a fine job under very trying budgetary times.
Good luck with the new job, Kathy … if you do as well in DC as you did here as Insurance Commissioner and Governor, HHS will be in very good hands.

Posted by: Walker Evans | February 28, 2009, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

Unless I am sadly mistaken, the gov. of kansas should be an excellent choice for the job. She is one smart cookie. Good choice Barak.

Posted by: 73toms | February 28, 2009, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

Who actually cares who the HHS Secretary is? What are the five greatest accomplishments of past HHS Secretaries?
Yawn…

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | February 28, 2009, 8:22 pm 8:22 pm

Thanks for the info Jake I will alert the IRS…..wait.. turboTax Timmy is a tax cheat and criminal too…darn

Posted by: citizen | February 28, 2009, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

>>Obama has exactly ONE liberal in his cabinet. Pathetic>>
Yet, somehow he has put forth the most liberal agenda and progressive transformational budget of any president since FDR. Wonder how? Could it possibly be that it’s the president who sets the mission?

Posted by: Carolinagirl | February 28, 2009, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

I find it strange that everyone on this blog today just happens to be from Kansas. C’mon!
Again, as long as she changes her stance on H1Bs while Americans are unemployed to the tune of 10% in California, I hope she will do well. Otherwise, although I am behind Obama 100%, I will speak out against her position on that issue.

Posted by: Common Sense | February 28, 2009, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

Why on earth do you care about the HHS secretary’s view on HB1 visas? She not the labor secretary!

Posted by: Carolinagirl | February 28, 2009, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

Walker Evans,
Mine was one of the paychecks she didn’t have money to pay. Thankfully she complied with the law and allowed the legislature to legally transfer money so that she could meet the state’s obligations.

Posted by: Mark | February 28, 2009, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm

Carolinagirl,
Because the medical field is claiming they don’t have enough qualified Americans to the jobs. That is always the lead in to hiring more H1Bs. As the HHS, her opinions will matter and all the young Americans currently working to get into that field will have no jobs. Get it?

Posted by: Common Sense | February 28, 2009, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm

Common Sense, I get what you’re saying that it makes no sense. The HHS secretary doesn’t set labor policy. And Solis is going to push for the administration’s position, regardless of what Sebelius or anyone else wants.

Posted by: Carolinagirl | February 28, 2009, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

Common sense makes none when forgetting who owns lots of stock in CITI and AIG
Stop listening to the words and watch the actions

Posted by: smith | February 28, 2009, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

Carolinagirl,
“Common Sense, I get what you’re saying that it makes no sense. The HHS secretary doesn’t set labor policy.”
I get the labor policy, yes. But I don’t ignore the influence part. That is the part that is disturbing.
I’ve seen how is this done. There are loads of news/articles that can be googled that indicate that HHS in some states is practically entirely staffed by non-state contractors on H1B. They find every way possible to get around the law and import H1Bs and lay off Americans.
At the same time, the digitizing of healthcare information could be subjected to H1B-dependent companies notorius for fraud — 11 recently arrested. For example, it was an H1B contracting firm that was recently busted for manipulating doctor’s rates/co-pay rates by using their proprietary software sold to most medical professionals and insurance companies.
Yes, Obama will set policy. But I’m equally sure Obama won’t be micromanaging the HHS Secretary.
Contrary to what some others have said here, this is not about being racist. As Holder has already implied, those that are NOT racist can talk about it openly.
Indian fraud using the H1B visa as its tool is big business at the expense of Americans’ jobs, prospects, health and future. The HHS’s stance on the matter does matter.

Posted by: Common Sense | February 28, 2009, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

smith,
/——-
Common sense makes none when forgetting who owns lots of stock in CITI and AIG
——-/
Wow. I did not know you had to disclose race or citizenship status when investing. Where did you get your information?
What I do know is that Citi sold off that lemon of a tech company to raise money. Citi understands politics and the sold the H1B-staffed business that was definitely going to be the loser this year. Is that what you mean?

Posted by: Common Sense | February 28, 2009, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

“Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!”
Good riddance Kate, you were from Ohio anyway!!!

Posted by: plainsm | February 28, 2009, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

What’s wrong with Sebelius that her announcement is a weekend info dump?

Posted by: mad | February 28, 2009, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm

Common Sense has some sort of fixation with H1B that makes the rest of us laugh. Hey, whatever the problem is, I’m sure Sebelius will take care of it. Or not.
Once again–yawn…

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | February 28, 2009, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

Hyena Fascist,
Fixation is an understatement. Senators and Reps are catching on. But, alas, Hannity hasn’t yet posted your talking point, so you’re clueless.
Ask your children or your grandparents if you want to be informed. Your generation apparently missed some important details.

Posted by: Common Sense | March 1, 2009, 12:04 am 12:04 am

Who actually cares who the HHS Secretary is? What are the five greatest accomplishments of past HHS Secretaries?
Yawn…
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FH,
Are you suggesting that when His Lordness deigns to favor a subject, you are . . . bored? Surely not. I am confident this event will prove to be as amusing as previous appointments.
What are the odds that the lady governor is a miscreant tax chiseler? Looking at His Lordness’s record, the appointment of THIS HHS could very well prove to be quite memorable.

Posted by: holymoly | March 1, 2009, 12:05 am 12:05 am

Common Sense: As Holder has already implied, those that are NOT racist can talk about it openly.
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I love this.
Um . . . who exactly gets to decide who can talk and who can’t talk? You? Holder? Obama?

Posted by: holymoly | March 1, 2009, 12:13 am 12:13 am

FascistHyena, I care who HHS secretary is, since that person will be a point person in the Obama administration’s efforts to alter health care in our country. I want to stay as far from universal health care managed by the government as possible.
OH, and I do not hold a H1B visa, so my post will be of no interest to Common Sense.

Posted by: GetReal | March 1, 2009, 12:13 am 12:13 am

Rush Limbaugh/Tea Parties/Hannity/Sessation/H1B/Globalism/Red State Pornography Polls/Stanford-Hannity Ponzi Connection/Operation Chaos…
Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh and Hannity have done their job. We really DO need healthcare now.

Posted by: Common Sense | March 1, 2009, 12:30 am 12:30 am

Good Health care is government controled health care. The insurance companies dont cafe about our health , they just want to make money, and if you get sick ,they cancel your insurance.And It may cost ten or fifteen thousand dollars a year. the government may only be less than one thousand in a year, and will cover every thing and every body and will give the best care, and treatment , not what some insurance company may or may not allow.

Posted by: George | March 1, 2009, 2:08 am 2:08 am

Two questions about Kathleen Sebelius
#1 — Considering the recent public comments made by Bob Byrd (D-WV), will Kathleen Sebelius also be the White House “Health Czar” as Tom Daschle as suppose to be.
# 2 — On 2008/12/7, Sebelius released a statement “The possibility of joining President-elect Obama’s team is exciting and compelling, but my service to the citizens who elected me is my top priority in these difficult times,” In light that the difficultly for Kansans are still the same today as they were in Dec. if not worst and that nothing new beyond Daschle’s withdrawing his name has happen in HHS, isn’t her accepting this postition (beside soulsearching and talking over with whoever) somewhat hypocritical of her?

Posted by: Alexis | March 1, 2009, 3:09 am 3:09 am

Forget about HHS, it time for the government to be prepared to bailout PB0′s good friend Buffet. His company is bigger than the auto companies.
=====
Derivatives, the investments Warren Buffett famously scorned as “financial weapons of mass destruction,” are proliferating at Berkshire Hathaway.

Posted by: fools | March 1, 2009, 6:51 am 6:51 am

Nothing would have soothed the ticked-off liberals who wanted Howard Dean all along, so Sibelius is as good as anyone.,
Though the GOP will surely hit her on the Kansas deficit. That seems to be their outrage of the year, no matter how culpable the lawmaker, whether president or governor, really is.

Posted by: matt | March 1, 2009, 7:58 am 7:58 am

Sebelius gets a save from 0bama. Sebelius is hated and despised in Kansas where she has run ruffshod over the state and its citizens. There’s no way she would have won re-election in Kansas, and the people of Kansas are thrilled to get rid of her. Sebelius is typical of the horrible, horrible people that liberal democrats are.

Posted by: JD | March 1, 2009, 8:42 am 8:42 am

I challenge all of you Liberals to read the transcript, or even better yet, watch the video of Rush Limbaugh’s speech before the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) yesterday. It will give you a great insight on what we REAL Conservatives are REALLY about.

Posted by: James Danley | March 1, 2009, 9:07 am 9:07 am

JD:” Sebelius is hated and despised in Kansas where she has run ruffshod over the state and its citizens.”
Funny how she has consistently had a high approval rating (upper 50′s versus a disapproval in the upper 30′s), including in a December poll. And was widely feared by Republicans as a Senate seat threat in 2010. Republicans will be quietly happy at this pick as there is no one else popular enough to put Kansas in play (and the Republicans who count on politics for their meal ticket are smart enough to read the polls they commission).

Posted by: jhw539 | March 1, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am

JD – Sebelius can’t run for reelection. Kansas allows for two terms and she’s in her final. And from what I’ve seen she has a pretty good approval rating for being a democratic governor in a predominately republican state. Are you a reporter by chance?

Posted by: fivepin | March 1, 2009, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Danley,
Unfortunately it was hard to miss your guy, since all the cable networks were running him non stop. CNN, the Conservative News Network, ran the entire thing non-stop without commercial!
I’ve said this before, but it bears repeating: What really IS the difference between a radical right wingnut blowhard, and the “mainstream media”?

Posted by: Flash Override | March 1, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am

I agreed with Limbaugh’s statement that Republicans don’t have the guts to admit that they want him to fail– something which has been repeatedly expressed in the postings around here, but not admitted to.

Posted by: kat the real one | March 1, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am

“Could it possibly be that it’s the president who sets the mission?”
Oh right: flim-flam on Iraq on Friday is followed on Saturday with self-praise on fighting hahaha lobbyists. Except for military lobbyists, insurance, pharmaceutical, etc.
All talk and crappy appointments. Only Obama could make the Republicans look good.

Posted by: Human Intelligence | March 1, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am

Sebelius will be real problem for this HHS job.

Posted by: anonymous | March 1, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am

What makes people think that Sebelius can run HHS? She can’t even run a small state (Kansas = serious budget crisis), let alone get universal healthcare implemented within the state during her term. How can she be expected to run HHS, implement universal healthcare on a broad scale, and reform Medicare (which is inherently insolvent)? Additionally, why do people think that universal healthcare can succeed when it is also inherently insolvent? Arbitrary Vote outlines a lot of this nicely. The misinformation out there is phenomenal.

Posted by: arbitraryvote | March 1, 2009, 11:47 am 11:47 am

arbitaryvote:” Additionally, why do people think that universal healthcare can succeed when it is also inherently insolvent?”
Because it has succeeded to varying degrees in every other first world nation. And because we HAVE universal healthcare – it is illegal for a hospital to leave someone to die on their doorstep regardless of whether they can pay. We just have amazingly inefficient healthcare that results in poor people spending a couple days in the ICU rather than get $20 of antibiotics for free.

Posted by: jhw539 | March 1, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

jhw539:”Because it has succeeded to varying degrees in every other first world nation.”
The perception that it has succeeded is largely based on misinformation provided by the WHO. Whether these systems have experienced some successes doesn’t dismiss the many failures within them, and most importantly, the fact they are insolvent business models over the long term.
jhw539: “And because we HAVE universal healthcare – it is illegal for a hospital to leave someone to die on their doorstep regardless of whether they can pay. We just have amazingly inefficient healthcare that results in poor people spending a couple days in the ICU rather than get $20 of antibiotics for free.”
Yes, which is why our costs are so high, and why universal healtcare will only add to those costs.
Again, the Arbitrary Vote site outlines a lot of these concepts nicely.

Posted by: arbitraryvote | March 1, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

“Your generation apparently missed some important details.”
Not really. We took care of ourselves, purchased health insurance, and accumulated wealth. Now we live comfortably in our golden years.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | March 1, 2009, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

“…the government…will cover every thing and every body and will give the best care, and treatment…”
Really? Name the country where government-run health care does that. Do you honestly think that the US is going to cover “everything” for you? Think again. As you age, the government will decline to provide services that do nothing more than extend your life if those services don’t offer a cure for your ills.
Try getting an MRI in Canada or the UK. Try getting a bypass operation or a heart transplant. What’s the average wait time?
Brother, are you in for a rude awakening…

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | March 1, 2009, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm

“More than 7,000 people are waiting seven months and longer for all but emergency or urgent MRIs at the Ottawa Hospital. Across Ontario, the waiting list for an MRI is growing by almost 12,000 patients a year. Cancer patients are waiting months for a follow up MRI to see if their disease has responded to treatment. It’s said that Ontario needs at least 80 more scanners to meet the current demand.”
–VHL.org
I can get one for my dog on Tuesday.

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | March 1, 2009, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm

Conclusion of a study by the Canadian Journal of Cardiothoracic Surgery, 2006:
“Long wait lists for coronary-artery bypass grafting are associated with increased probability that a patient dies before surgery. Physicians who advise patients where to undergo cardiac revascularization should consider the risk of pre-surgical death that is associated with the length of a surgical wait list.”
But hey–it’s free!

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | March 1, 2009, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

And in Britain:
“Hospital waiting times are longer than under the Conservatives, despite £90billion being ploughed into the health service this year alone.
The average wait for treatment in hospital is now 49 days, up from 41 days in 1997, the year Labour took power with a promise to ‘save the NHS’.
Ministers say they have delivered on their promise to reduce very long waits. By the end of the year no one should wait more than 18 weeks compared with the 18-month waits which were common under the Tories.”

Posted by: Fascist Hyena | March 1, 2009, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

Kathleen Gilligan Sebelius is the daughter of former Ohio Gov. John Gilligan, a one-termer who is viewed as one of the worst Guvs in Ohio history. Sebelius has been unimpressive herself. Obama could do better in a HHS choice. I am all for Obama choosing more females as his record so far is not any better than GW Bush, but Sebelius is simply not qualified for the position. Bill Clinton had the best record on female appointments. So far, Obama has been a real disappointment to this Democrat. This massive spending must end. 9,000 “earmarks” in the Obama budget from the Obama who campaign promised “no earmarks”??? Obama has lied about most everything and most importantly the out of control spending and the war, he’s escalating not ending the war as he promised. His so-called anti-war stance was got him support in the first place and Dems betrayed Hillary on this issue. I didn’t fall for his lies, I supported Hillary and still do. Hillary is the only bright spot in this Presidency.

Posted by: Y | March 1, 2009, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm

Kathleen (Gilligan’s Island) Sebelius may be able to draw on the talents of Thurston Howell III.

Posted by: AmericanPie | March 2, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am

To fools, what do you think the government is doing, they are bailing out warren buffet, with the stimulus plan, he owns GE and a lot of the so-called infrastructure money goes to GE.
It is now pay back for all the support during the campain. GE owns MSNBC and NBC

Posted by: Lizzie | March 2, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

If only he had picked her for V.P. – that would have been a better move.

Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | March 2, 2009, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

Fascist Hyena,
“Not really. We took care of ourselves, purchased health insurance, and accumulated wealth. Now we live comfortably in our golden years.”
I take care of myself, too. Unfortunately, old people like you are so selfish that us younger people have to keep paying for your care while we don’t get the benefit of using it and neither will our future generations. You must be mighty proud!

Posted by: Common Sense | March 2, 2009, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

Thank God we finally have some smart people running the country after eight long years of idiots.

Posted by: Jenny | March 3, 2009, 4:08 am 4:08 am

It is not national heath care but national health insurance. Nothing will change with the hospitals or the doctors – it’s just that we can now all get cheaper health insurance. It will benefit workers AND companies.

Posted by: Jenny | March 3, 2009, 4:10 am 4:10 am

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Alprazolam purchased by mastercard.

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