Senate passes stimulus
EmailABC News’ Z. Byron Wolf reports: After a whirlwind week of closed-door negotiations and intense debate between Republicans and Democrats about the role of government, the Senate passed its $838 billion version of a stimulus bill early this afternoon.
Passage of the bill relied on the delicate compromise crafted by three Republicans and centrist Democrats and the presense of Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachussetts, who is suffering from brain cancer and had not been present for votes this year. Kennedy also voted on a procedural motion Monday.
The expected Republicans – Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania voted with Democrats.
The only Senator not voting was Judd Gregg, the Republican President Obama has nominated to head the commerce department and who recused himself from voting on the stimulus.
Next for the bill comes a conference with the House, where the senate version will have to be reconciled with the $819 billion version that passed there Jan. 28th. House Democrats will try to add some of the direct spending on education stripped from the Senate version by the moderate compromise. The Senate version is weighted more to tax incentives than the House version. Senators stripped direct spending but their version is more expensive because it includes an $80 billion one-year patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax, a $15,000 tax credit for home buyers ($16 billion in total) and a $1,500 tax credit for new car buyers ($11 billion).
The Republicans who supported the bill in the Senate have warned that too many changes could cost their support going forward. No Republicans supported the House bill.
The Senate conferees will include Majority Leader Harry Reid, Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell, and the chairmen and ranking members of the Finance and Appropriations Committees – Democrats Max Baucus of Montana and Daniel Inouye of Hawaii and Republicans Charles Grassley of Iowa and Thad Cochran of Mississippi.
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I see the bank bail-out plan did a lot for the stock market.
Posted by: jamescbuilder | February 10, 2009, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Now that our Greatest Smartest Leader PBO got his way of socialist money-giveaways, when are we expecting to receive the $3000 checks in the mail?
Socialism is so attractive. Even you hate it, but when it comes, who is to refuse $3000!?
Posted by: two cats | February 10, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
The Republican stool has no legs. Put on the dunce cap and go sit in the corner.
Posted by: Mack | February 10, 2009, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
I refuse to vote anymore except in my local elections. Usually it’s the electorial college that elects the president–but this election it was the media that elected this president. I don’t believe that there is anyone in washington dc that gives a damn about anyone else except themselves. What did obama GIVE OR PROMISE to the turncoats in the senate that caused them to help pass this stupid socialist bill?
Posted by: karenm | February 10, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
For those crying against the bill would be crying against Obama even more if he was not doing nothing, just like Bush did in his last 3 months. If America wanted to continue with a do-nothing leadership we would have elected McCain but we didn’t! So give the man a chance to work it out. Yeah, it’s not going to be pretty but it’s not going to just go away if nothing is done to stimulate job growth & money to get things moving again in this country. Money is what keeps things going, no money flowing to buy goods, homes, cars, etc. then we will have a economic disaster.
The jobs are not going to be high-end exec jobs but hey it is money that will funnel back into the system. I think it will work but it’s going to take time to see it to frutation. We must be patient.
Posted by: yippy | February 10, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
The lack of cooperation by Republicans shows they intend to follow their Clinton blueprint of being obstructionists, no matter what it does to the country, while collecting salaries and benefits as if they are actually working. It also shows that their willing constituents are still in denial and living in their fantasy land.
Posted by: Sharon Dupree | February 10, 2009, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Two Cats:
What do you call corporate welfare and welfare for the rich? You probably call it free market economics.
Posted by: Sharon Dupree | February 10, 2009, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
what about the little people who need money, especially i the country.
Posted by: Patricia | February 10, 2009, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
republicans = elitist partisan obstructionists
Posted by: hello? | February 10, 2009, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
“Two cats” maybe it would be better to be dead than Red(socialist). “Greatest Smartest Leader” sounds so insincere.
I guess you wanted that “Greatest of all Heros”, McCain. He voted against the stimulus bill. Hey If he gets his way and every american company goes under, then the evil socalists can buy up everything….We’ll give you something to be paranoid about.
Posted by: blackie | February 10, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
The republicans claimed that our children will inherit the debts of this generation, but i say to them, how are we going to have the next generation if we won’t fix the one we have now.
Posted by: PAUL | February 10, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
not everyone gets a stimulus check.
Posted by: dfesta | February 10, 2009, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
do you realize that in this bill if you have an older parent or you are older, that medicare will not cover them because they will be old and life expectancy is short
Posted by: Jane | February 10, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
I WANT MY STIMULATION!
I WANT GREEDY A$$ REPUBLICANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUCKING THIS COUNTRY DRY FOR THE LAST 30 YEARS TO PAY FOR IT TOO.
BRING ON THE REPUBLICAN-ELITIST FUNDED BACON AND RAISE THE UPPER CRUSTS TAXES TO PAY FOR IT…TO THOSE WHO SAY NO ,LISTEN TO ME AND READ MY LIPS …YES WE CAN!! EVER HEAR THAT ONE?
COME APRIL 15TH YOU RICH PAMPERED POMPOUS FARTS WILL FIND OUT WHAT A DEMOCRACY REALLY MEANS…
Posted by: tee hee hee | February 10, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
I had to go into work early and missed a lot of the morning news.
So, someone get me up to date. Why did the Stock Market GO to HELL in a handbasket during/after The New Treasury Sec. gave his speech?
Posted by: ajax | February 10, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
I listened to POTUS very carefully, and what did I hear?
*The democrats don’t want to end this economic downturn quickly.
*They want to create more “moral hazard” very similar to the housing debacle that created this mess in the first place!
*They want to dribble out bucks to entice people to again make unwise spending choices instead of paying down their debts and saving.
*Why? They want people to get used to depending on Uncle Sam to provide for them. Gradually they would have us accept cradle to grave government dependence/control!
Democrat pet programs inserted in this deceptively called an emergency stimulus package will stretch out for years in an attempt to keep Americans on their string! :(
Well America is this the change you believe in?
We visited Russia just at the beginning of their escape from socialism. They have come a long way. Do we really want to fall in the ditch they were formerly in? :(
Posted by: aware2u | February 10, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
“So, someone get me up to date. Why did the Stock Market GO to HELL in a handbasket during/after The New Treasury Sec. gave his speech?”
Profit taking.
Posted by: Mack | February 10, 2009, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Mack: I think you mean “taken”.
Yes, the money folks thought this plan was going to be a free for all to the banks but not! That’s why the market sunk the cavier parties and champagne bath days are over! I say about darn time!!
Posted by: yippy | February 10, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
stock market is made up of carpetbagging liars who inflated and scammed their way into billions of $$ worth of unwarranted profits (generally at stockholders expense) that the american taxpayer is now about to have to pony up for.
they heard the speech last night , which was “no more business as usual for the us financial markets , then today…NO MORE FREE TARP MONEY.
what do you expect the greed lil buggers to do dance in the streets?
they and their conniving unregulated profit taking/stealing days are getting the well deserved death knell ,and like rats on a sinking ship they are jumping to grab hold of any flotsam that might keep them afloat i.e. profit taking = selling stocks . duh.
Posted by: got it now? | February 10, 2009, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
Let’s please not try to think only of ideals (socalism vs. captialism). That just creates too many problems (see The Vietnam War). I really hope this plans succeeds. I think investment in infrastructure and education will be the best, for everyone knows the only way to “win the game” is through a strong base. I am, however, worried by two things 1) How are we going to pay the money back and 2) $2 trillion into the banking industry!? The people who got us into this mess?! Honestly, I like the Obama ideal and I voted for him in the election, but even I have trouble swallowing this. Fin: I’m 18, and have a full life ahead of me. Its kind of intimidating, but I’m willing to give and cut back.
Best of luck to us all, we’ll need it soon.
Posted by: Mr. Insertnamehere | February 10, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Mr. insert name
neil bush and the prototypical s&l meltdown that preceded this current financial crisis showed the conniving cheaters in the financial sector that the us gov. would step in and bail out the banks ,and the investment companies as well to boot , no matter what ,setting the stage for what we have today.
sadly now ,theres just not any money in banks, they arent capable of lending (whichs grows the economy ,if done prudently) unless they have FUNDS ON HAND.
lets say you had $50k in your local bank today ,well just go to your local bank and try to get $25k of it in cash and see what happens. NEWSFLASH…THAT MONEY IS GONE!!
Posted by: umm wake up plz | February 10, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Now we’ll see first if Pelosi can actually leave the Senate version untouched to get it through the House, then if the stimulus actually works. The public may be patient with Obama, but you can bet the GOP will slam him every day that goes by without a recovery, starting this minute.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
Posted by: matt | February 10, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
This is hidden in the bill.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs
Posted by: panjoe | February 10, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Glad it passed for posterity’s sake.
Can you imagine a senate filibuster on this issue? Lot’s of people don’t understand what a filibuster is: Whoever has the floor can talk as long as they want (days, weeks). The intent was to promote debate of the issue at hand, but somehow, someone found a loophole & they can (and DO) use the time to read names from a phonebook, whatever, to stall. Kind of the “grown up” version of holding your breath (expelling it?) until you get your way.
Posted by: blue88 | February 10, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
matt ,in case you havent heard …the gop is history ,and in their death throes .
even their leaders are jumping ship ,they had to elect a black man as their new party leader to “appear” as non-racist…obviously a contrived event to vainly attempt so kind of damage control…but ,its too late now and the greater majority of americans LOATH republicans ,as well they should.
anyway , the republicans and their their current rating (house/senate) by the public (gallup poll yesterday) is even LOWER than the democrats ,20 points or so to be exact.
you drinking that kool-aid?
Posted by: Diilan | February 10, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
The republican are sad. They are a sad example of right. Poor.
Ive only one thing to say. Repent. Try to be better. Stop the racism and greed. Help people. Learn to love. Shame on you. It wont be long before you are all by yourself.
You are like a little boy who lost and wants to take his ball so no one else can play. How sad you are. If you do good and learn to love and care for people maybe you will grow instead of diminish.- How sad.
Posted by: truth-serum | February 10, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
The republican are sad. They are a sad example of right. Poor.
Ive only one thing to say. Repent. Try to be better. Stop the racism and greed. Help people. Learn to love. Shame on you. It wont be long before you are all by yourself.
You are like a little boy who lost and wants to take his ball so no one else can play. How sad you are. If you do good and learn to love and care for people maybe you will grow instead of diminish.- How sad.
Posted by: truth-serum | February 10, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Democrat pet programs inserted in this deceptively called an emergency stimulus package will stretch out for years in an attempt to keep Americans on their string! :(
^^^— yep you are entirely correct. its called REGULATION and has been non-existent in this country for the last 30 years or so ,so i am not too surprised you arent that familiar with the word/concept.
update for the elitists,connivers ,users ,reamers ,madoffs etc : better figure out what GOVERNMENTAL REGULATION really means cause its gonna be your well-deserved ball and chain for a looooooong time.
Posted by: truthisme | February 10, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
SGRVN717 HOW IS THIS PLAN GOING TO FIX THE ECONOMY? HOW IS IT GOING TO STOP BUSINESS FROM FAILING? HOW IS IT GOING TO PUT PEOPLE BACK TO WORK? HAS THE PRESIDENT AND CONGRESS ANSWERED THESE QUESTIONS. I SAY NO…. THE INFRASTRUCT JOBS WILL NOT GO TO LEGAL AMERICANS CITIZENS. WHAT ABOUT THE JOBS LOST IN THE FINANCIAL SECTOR, WHAT ABOUT THE JOBS LOSS IN THE RETAIL AND SERVICE SECTORS. WILL GIVING BANKS TILLIONS OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS CAUSE THEM TO DO WHATS RIGHT, WILL TILLIONS OF TAXPAYERS DOLLARS FIX COMPANYS THAT SHIP JOBS OUT OF AMERICA, WILL TILLIONS OF TAXPAYERS DOLLARS FIX OUR BORDER PROBLEMS. THE PRESIDENTS PLAN IS NOT ADDRESS THE REAL PROBLEMS THAT AMERICA ECONOMY IS FACING. WHY DO WE THINK SPENDING WILL GET US OUT OF WHAT SPENDING PUT US IN… THERE ARE SOME GOOD IDEAS BUT NOT ENOUGN $80 billion one-year patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax, SHOULD BE 160 BILLION a $15,000 tax credit for home buyers ($16 billion in total) and a $1,500 tax credit for new car buyers ($11 billion).SHOULD BE $3,000 CREDIT FOR BUYING AN AMERICAN CAR…. THIS PLAN SHOULD GIVE MORE TO THE TAXPAYER…..
Posted by: SINCLAIR GARVN | February 10, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
We should be glad that McCain did not win this election. Imagine Sarah Palin as president if McCain were to “kick the bucket?” Obama had the vision of assembling the best and brightest minds that America has, and they are confronting this problem head on. Well, America, be patient, it’s going to be a while before we get out of the weeds. This is the result of eight years of GOP recklessness, greed, incompetence, and stupidity. It was all deficit spending under George Bush to fight a bogus war about Saddam and weapons of mass destruction. Most of you believed that lie.
Posted by: what667 | February 10, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
All’s right with the world now. All we have to do is sit back and reap the rewards. By the way who should I contact for my new job?
Posted by: AmericanPie | February 10, 2009, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
well americanpie ,maybe you should read about the 90 year old couple who were ravaged by unregulated carpetbaggers ,(madoff, for example and additionally, the tip of the iceberg) and now are having to go back to work…
that is the bush/republican legacy in black and white.cry me a river you freekin whiny baby…
Posted by: yeratard | February 10, 2009, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Hey: karenm you right about socialist bill:and I say why bail out AIG or any private compnay: GM/Ford/Airlines/etc.
Let them all fail, why should the gov. step in and save the damage done by greedy folks, investment schemes, but wait if the GOV doesnt step in
it may results in millions of Americans standing in soup lines like 1929 : I like to see the guys like Madoff jump out of his 7million dollar apt. window.. .. are you ready to be dirt poor..
Posted by: shutter1 | February 10, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
WELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN APPRECIATE,
THAT IT ONLY TOOK ” THREE IDOITS ” TO
TEAM UP FOR THE PASSAGE OF A SO-CALLED
” STIMULUS PACKAGE “,NAMELY SENATORS
COLLINS,SNOW,& SPECTOR?????
PERSONALLY I WISH THE ” THREE IDOITS ”
WOULD SWITCH TO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY,
THEY NEED ALL THE IDOITS THEY CAN GET
THESE DAYS????
THE ONLY ONES TO BENEFIT FROM THE
SO-CALLED ” STIMULUS PACKAGE ” ARE THE
LABOR LEADERS & THE IDOIT WING OF”ACORN”
SENIOR CITIZENS CHECK OUT YOUR NEW
NATIONALIZE HEALTH POLICY?????
MAY THE ” THREE IDOITS ” REST IN PEACE??
Posted by: HONORABLEARTHUR | February 10, 2009, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
thank god there appears to be at least 3 republicans who have retained some sense of ethics and duty to country that arent trumped by the typical republican family values of greed and pomposity.
Posted by: ihaveheardenough! | February 10, 2009, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
“Obama had the vision of assembling the best and brightest minds that America has, and they are confronting this problem head on.”
Yea, I see what “one” of his “brightest minds” did to the Stock Market today. :)
Dow 7,888.87 -381.99 (-4.62%)
NASDAQ 1,524.72 -66.83 (-4.2%)
S&P 827.15 -42.73 (-4.91%)
Bend over and grab yer ankles people. Looks like times are going to be long and hard.
Posted by: ajax | February 10, 2009, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
This is what WallStreet thought of the speech today:
“What’s driving the selling: The plan outlined by Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner proved, to many observers, too vague on important details.
The plan includes three pieces:
An overhaul of how the nation’s banks are regulated so that all get a comprehensive stress test to gauge how easily they can be fixed.
A new public-private fund to buy up bad assets from banks.
A plan to commit up to $1 trillion to support consumer and business lending.
But details on each piece — especially about the fund to buy up bad assets — were lacking. Asked in a Bloomberg Television interview to explain how the fund would work and, more importantly, how the prices for the bad assets would be priced, Geithner could only say that the details were still being worked out.
“So far, all we have is talk,” wrote Felix Salmon on the Seeking Alpha Web site. “The markets will wait to actually see the details — and, of course, will wait for congressional approval of all this — before they start believing.”
“Geithner spoke in plain terms, catering more to Main Street than to Wall Street, clearly showing the fear that exists within Washington over the use of taxpayer money,” Tony Crescenzi, chief bond strategist at Miller Tabak, wrote clients after the speech. “Geithner needed to speak more to Wall Street, where the problems lie, rather than stay at a distance as he did, and leave Wall Street with too few details with no road map by how it might find its way out of current difficulties.”
Posted by: ajax | February 10, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Yes.. there are crooks on Wallstreet that need to have their rear handed to them. But, Mr. Obama and WE “the people” need to remember that that is where about all of our Retirement funds are. In Mutual and 401k funds.
As Tony Crescenzi said, chief bond strategist at Miller Tabak, wrote clients after the speech. “Geithner needed to speak more to Wall Street, where the problems lie, rather than stay at a distance as he did, and leave Wall Street with too few details with no road map by how it might find its way out of current difficulties.”
Posted by: ajax | February 10, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
You slugs who think you are going to get another check in the mail are wrong…there will be no checks this time….ha ha ha….just going to have to live off that welfare
Posted by: 8mile | February 10, 2009, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
This bill is a back door approach to socialized healthcare. The following article gives pages from the bill and points out some of the dangers of this.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&refer=columnist_mccaughey&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs. This is not good folks. America needs to wake up to what is in this bill.
Some points from the article:
Your medical treatments will be tracked electronically by a federal system.
The “National Coordinator of Health Information Technology” will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective.
Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties.
A Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research will slow the development and use of new medications and technologies because they drive up costs.
Seniors will have the brunt of rationing treatment. Defenders of the system say that individuals benefit in younger years and sacrifice later.
The stimulus bill will affect every part of health care, from medical and nursing education, to how patients are treated and how much hospitals get paid.
This bill allocates more funding for this bureaucracy than for the Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force combined.
Is this something to hide in a “stimulus” package and rush through? This could affect you or your loved ones’ health.
Posted by: VeryConcerned | February 10, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
I do not care what the solution(s) are characterized as. The test is, “will they work”?
Having said that, I have massive misgivings of so much debt which will exceed $2.5 trillion for FY 2009 alone.
First, take a $1.00 bill from your wallet. Folks accept that that bill is worth $1.00 because the government says so. Essentially, the $1.00 bill is backed only by the full faith and credit of our country and nothing else.
So the question – What is going to happen when (not a question of if) one or more of our lenders says enough is enough and cuts us off? When that lender/lenders wants his principal back? Everybody knows the herd mentality. What do we do then? If President Obama has a Plan B, it would be very good to hear it.
Posted by: beto | February 10, 2009, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Remember the legislative branch can pass all the bills and laws they want without the Republicans. They have a major majority! I think they are smart for keeping their hands out of it and let you dems take the credit or the downfall! Bush left this country with a 260 billion dollar defficit, that meens a negative-260,000,000,000 in an account so the dems are writing another bad check for a Trillion or more dollars! Is there any sanity left in America! People wake up that is money that we do not have! The Gov’t is telling us to cut back so why aren’t they?
Posted by: antdog73 | February 10, 2009, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Obama is a Muslim terrorist. The stimulus bill is a plot to make the terrorists win
Posted by: dur | February 10, 2009, 8:31 pm 8:31 pm
This is absolutely ridiculous reading all of these insane responses. Some people are so stuck in their ways that they will not even open their minds to the idea that this may work. With any bill that passes there comes bad with good. That is how are government works. We run on a system of checks and balances. No one really knows if this is the answer and no one will know. Americans are so impatient. We want everything handed to us right now. If this stimilus bill has any chance we have to have confidence that as Americans we can pull our heads out of wherever they may be and try harder. Be patient. Changes will not happen over night. It took a very long time to get us here and it will take equal time to dig us back out. In the meantime, quit whining about things you can do nothing about, get off your lazy a$$ and work for it.
Posted by: Patience is a virtue | February 10, 2009, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
I have a question, and I hope this serves as a point of discussion rather than an argument. Here is a comment….”I watched Geitner, and Obama,and then even Franks talk today. What a nightmare. Geithner and Obama both look like deer caught in headlights. What a bunch of idiots. This SPENDING bill is a nightmare for both the economy and taxpayers. NO NO NO. It is past time for another Tea Party.” I wish I were more of an economist, and so I am trying to get a better understanding behind this type of thinking. I understand the frustration that people have behind funding the big banks more who loaned money they probably shouldn’t. Now, these banks can’t find investors to buy up the bad debt. It seems the reason for the bad debt is that people are out of work, or are working at low paying jobs, and this has halted spending. To my understanding, a stimulus check, or tax break might cause a small boost, but is a one time deal, where the creation of jobs would be more of a long-term benefit. I know people don’t trust the big government after spending so much on the war, but if the government does spend that money on advancing industries like renewable energy, rebuilding out-dated structures, and perhaps building technologies which a new generation of baby-boomres are going to need, wouldn’t that help get us out of this mess? I would think that could create long-term good income which will have other contries buying into America again. There might be another approach so that is why I am asking, but I don’t really understand from a practical standpoint (I understand from an emotional standpoint) why some people are so against the government spending to get us out of this mess. Sorry for the long post, but want to accurately pose the question: what other options do we really have, and how will they work?
Posted by: intheformation | February 10, 2009, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Do you think it is fair to be judged after only working for 3 weeks. Let’s all be patriotic Americans and give Obama a chance. He is a good man. He has a difficult task ahead of him. Stop criticizing and offer him help and support. Keep our 44th President in your thoughts and prayers.
Posted by: Sarah Pain | February 11, 2009, 12:31 am 12:31 am
Do you think it is fair to be judged after only working for 3 weeks. Let’s all be patriotic Americans and give Obama a chance. He is a good man. He has a difficult task ahead of him. Stop criticizing and offer him help and support. Keep our 44th President in your thoughts and prayers.
Posted by: Sarah Pain | February 11, 2009, 12:31 am 12:31 am
intheformation- you miss the point of the bank bailouts… it was to be a two-pronged approach. Banks were supposed to use the funds to 1) restructure the loans that were delinquent, so people could pay their mortgages 2) start lending to new people. They were NOT supposed to sell the bad debt. They were supposed to find a way to make those debts work. They have done neither.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 11, 2009, 6:42 am 6:42 am
Oh – and the other option is to get all the CRAP out of the bill & let the stimulative things work. Regulating what kind of treatment you can receive for healthcare does not create jobs (ok – well maybe more bureaucracy (i.e. government jobs) that says you are too old or sick to get treatment). Money for honeybees does not create jobs. Money for electronic medical records does not create jobs (only temporary ones to set up the system.. it doesn’t fund salaries for people to run the system) – and I don’t want my medical records electronic.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | February 11, 2009, 6:46 am 6:46 am
Lots of pork being added to the amended versions of the final stimulus plan. Senate, Congress and the Executive branch have ignored various emails and solicitations to support the one addendum that would place the taxpayers in the drivers seat “PROPOSITION 3V”. It’s the taxpayers that will footing the bill for the overall bailout, not international investors and bankers on Wall Street.
Details are on the website http://www.the3rdvoice.com
This site was created to invite both parties to respond to the negligence they have displayed towards the taxpayers thoughts. They continue to decline comment.
The ideas may be a bit radical, but it’s the concept that is important:
Why would we only bailout big business, and not the taxpayers themselves?
How can 3 million jobs affect a population of over 303 million people, only 1% of the population, when the unemployment rate is 7.6%?
Why do our lawmakers continue to stay vague on where the funds will go?
Posted by: The_3rd_Voice | February 11, 2009, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Have you seen where they hide the Universal health care in the stimulus??.. of course not you don’t see it on the Obama channel..
Wake up people!!!
Posted by: Pepper | February 11, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am
we the people us means all for one one for all not big business put the money in middle class hands
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