Stimulus Showdown Soon — But Bill Continues to Grow

Obama needs to follow his gut instinct and pass what he thinks is best. We voted for him because we like his ideas and trust his judgement. Whereas WE NO LONGER TRUST REPUBLICAN JUDGEMENT AT ALL!!! Please Obama, move forward with helping our nation regardless of the riduculous right. WE DON’T CARE WHAT THEY THINK OR WHAT THEY WANT. If we did, we would have voted for them.

President Obama made a huge mistake by reaching into the cesspool of the Republican Party. It is like sticking your hand into a Rattlesnake den, infested with Black Plague. The Repig’s have no intention of letting the Democrats succeed in fixing anything. The elections in 2012 will get rid of the rest of the Repig Saboteurs.

Why the F can’t these guys do what is right for the country and not their constiuants and lobbiests. For one in your carrier do what you were elected to do and that is represent the people of your state and not those that line your pockets… Ass Holes all of them.

This is the change that all of those drinking the Obama kool-aid wanted, more spending on nothing of importance. Two more years of a recession until the voters begin to vote in those people who actually want to the people’s work in Washington and not play politics. Dont you folks get it, people are hurting and just wait until the summer when gas prices go back up and then what, more of nothing. Thank you DEMOCRATS for leaving all of us who pay your salary with nothing.

Obama is showing zero leadership….. Having lunch and doing TV interviews is not leading….. The man is in over his head….

The bill is a rotten piece of trash! The Dems should never have tried to put all that special interest pork in the bill, it might have passed without it..

So you want to get rid of the repigs? So you want a one party system? So you want our Hussein to have the same power as the fallen Hussein? So you want a dictatorship with state run everything? Yea, we know how that turned out! Get used to saying, “yes, Mr. Dictator”

The bill went from 815 to 920 billion in almost a week. I dare ask what is the problem that these idiots on the Hll cannot do anything without fighting. I square we as voters need to educate ourselves more on the political process b/c the folks on the hill have no clue.
We are in dire straits and its not by Pres. Obama’s making nor bias his calls for immediate passage of a bill. Its by the GOP leadership who really do not seem to get it that….. trickle down economics…died with Reagan… It never works and even in its current form has not worked. So,,,, we as tax payers and voters realize now that the GOP is playing a game…….of seek and destroy. There only purpose in holding this bill up is to ensure their survival in 2010 and 2012….. Should this bill pass, and it works……the GOP will be further marginalize… smiles.

If this weren’t so serious, it would be a comedy of errors.

CW
All of what you posted has been removed from the bill. C’mon, it would had created some jobs no matter how ridculous the amount.
Posted by: CW | Feb 5, 2009 12:43:23 PM

Again- it’s not just the Republicans who are upset at this. Please do your homework-before you attack. THere alot of Democrats who are also upset- I am one of them.

The whole system is broken. From Govt to CEOs. Someone needs to straighten things out there. Everyone’s jobs and retirement is on line. Those whose savings have been wiped out in this crash of confidence and stock market will be poor beggers at retirement if things continue like this. No one can come to agreement as to what is pork and what is not. These peopel need to got to hog houses and learn.
I am tired of my savings disappear in matter of months while I have children to put through college.
There was hope in Obama but I am not sure if things will improve for the citizens

Holycow,
WHat happens if this bill is passed and it doesnt work, then what will you say. Probably nothing because those who think that Obama is the next savior were lied to. HE cant fix this economy nor can anyone in congress. It is up to us, the people of the U.S. to fix this. Give all the tax payers the money and let us pay back the banks and credit card companies and then start buying again. That is the only fix here and if you think that the GOP is at fault, just wait 2 years and then you can only blame yourself for thinking that your Democrats are the only ones who have a plan. Pull your head out man!

The Republicans need to stop adding on these pork laden amendments for the wealthy. They are fighting hard for their butt buddies.

This is insane! Somebody throw a net over this band of fool! You stimulate the economy by putting cash in the hands of the people. NOT BY GROWING GOVERNMENT. This bunch on Capital Hill and in the White House grow more ridiculous daily.
Suspending FICA withholding and CUT Government spending by 10% across the board and freezing Governmental wages fixes the problems- NOT throwing borrowed money into broken Government!

We are being lied to! The urgency of payoffs to FOO. No need to debate. My way or the doom. I haven’t seen the “hope or change” Mr. Articulate, explain. There is a monster in the closet I will let out unless you give me all the power now!

So what if the Republicans cry ‘pork’? Why should we believe them? Just look at what a good job they did of running the country into the ground during the Bush Administration.
Of course none of us voters want money wasted on ‘pork’. But only if we were truely clueless would we follow the Republican’s judgment of what is ‘pork’ and what is not.
Besides: the whole point of a stimulus package is to get the economy moving again, to stimulate it. But to do this, we do not HAVE to be so selective about where the money is spent, as long as it either ends up in the spending consumer’s hands, or in infrastructure investment.
But this is exactly where the lion’s share of it ends up. The real reason for Republicans crying ‘pork’ is because the money doesn’t end up in THEIR friends’ pockets.
Oh, and there is one more vicious motive behind their childish intransigence: they are doing everything they can to spoil Obama’s honeymoon with the voters. Another good reason we should all ignore the Republicans.

Middle of the road dems and republicans are upset. Radical left are funding projects and adding bylines. This is serious folks. This by america is tremendous risk, given that our companies are off shore now. Obama is driving down bank stocks and hurting all stakeholders that own that stock, common shareholders like all of us. Obama has never held a job, he has not had to work for a living. Folks, your very likelyhood and the economy of america should not be driven by an arbitary deadline. It has to be good and right and reasonable.

Seems to me that both the Dems & Repubs are doing all they can to have the President to fail. This was suppose to be a no-brainer and what a mess this turned out to be.

RYAN GREAT POST. YOU KNOW THAT WONT HAPPEN, BUT IT SHOULD.
I THINK EVERY “TAXPAYER” SHOULD GET ABOUT 150,OOO TO PAY OFF ALL THEIR DEBT, STUDENT LOANS, CREDIT CARDS, CAR NOTE, AND PAY DOWN THE MORTGAGE.
THE REST CAN BE INVESTED AND SPENT.
Holycow,
WHat happens if this bill is passed and it doesnt work, then what will you say. Probably nothing because those who think that Obama is the next savior were lied to. HE cant fix this economy nor can anyone in congress. It is up to us, the people of the U.S. to fix this. Give all the tax payers the money and let us pay back the banks and credit card companies and then start buying again. That is the only fix here and if you think that the GOP is at fault, just wait 2 years and then you can only blame yourself for thinking that your Democrats are the only ones who have a plan. Pull your head out man!
Posted by: Ryan | Feb 5, 2009 12:51:27 PM
We must move forward with this immediately or the nation will be at great risk! We cannot delay or it may be too late!
Are these quotes of Obama pushing for the stimulus bill or Bush wanting to start a war? Once again we have a politician using fear to get what he wants!
Folks government meddling is what got us into all these quagmires why do you think government can fix them? Less government is better!!!
Posted by: Haz | Feb 5, 2009 12:51:34 PM
The Republicans need to stop adding on these pork laden amendments for the wealthy. They are fighting hard for their butt buddies.
Posted by: George | Feb 5, 2009 12:51:59 PM
I agree with the post that said that Obama is in over his head..!!!!
Posted by: CW | Feb 5, 2009 12:52:36 PM
This is insane! Somebody throw a net over this band of fool! You stimulate the economy by putting cash in the hands of the people. NOT BY GROWING GOVERNMENT. This bunch on Capital Hill and in the White House grow more ridiculous daily.
Suspending FICA withholding and CUT Government spending by 10% across the board and freezing Governmental wages fixes the problems- NOT throwing borrowed money into broken Government!
Posted by: No Common Sense in DC | Feb 5, 2009 12:52:39 PM
This is totally ridiculous! Do they think that this is free money for them to spend? Remember, this is money we don’t have. When Americans are tightening their belts because of the economy, these idiots are spending like it’s extra cash they just found. You idiots that voted for change are getting what you deserved. The only problem is you drug the rest of us in it with you.
Posted by: Katie | Feb 5, 2009 12:53:37 PM
We are being lied to! The urgency of payoffs to FOO. No need to debate. My way or the doom. I haven’t seen the “hope or change” Mr. Articulate, explain. There is a monster in the closet I will let out unless you give me all the power now!
Posted by: Paco | Feb 5, 2009 12:53:39 PM
This should another “historical moment” Obama’s approval rating already dropping after 2 weeks in the presidency.LOL
Posted by: CW | Feb 5, 2009 12:54:13 PM
So what if the Republicans cry ‘pork’? Why should we believe them? Just look at what a good job they did of running the country into the ground during the Bush Administration.
Of course none of us voters want money wasted on ‘pork’. But only if we were truely clueless would we follow the Republican’s judgment of what is ‘pork’ and what is not.
Besides: the whole point of a stimulus package is to get the economy moving again, to stimulate it. But to do this, we do not HAVE to be so selective about where the money is spent, as long as it either ends up in the spending consumer’s hands, or in infrastructure investment.
But this is exactly where the lion’s share of it ends up. The real reason for Republicans crying ‘pork’ is because the money doesn’t end up in THEIR friends’ pockets.
Oh, and there is one more vicious motive behind their childish intransigence: they are doing everything they can to spoil Obama’s honeymoon with the voters. Another good reason we should all ignore the Republicans.
Posted by: Matt J. | Feb 5, 2009 12:54:30 PM
In this economic environment will giving tax breaks to small businesses stimulate them to higher more people? No. They will use the money for operating capital, advertising and to pay down debt. Business 101 dictates that. The republicans have lost their way, now wanting to give handouts with no return rather than creating jobs that will generate demand and income taxes
Posted by: owen | Feb 5, 2009 12:54:48 PM
Middle of the road dems and republicans are upset. Radical left are funding projects and adding bylines. This is serious folks. This by america is tremendous risk, given that our companies are off shore now. Obama is driving down bank stocks and hurting all stakeholders that own that stock, common shareholders like all of us. Obama has never held a job, he has not had to work for a living. Folks, your very likelyhood and the economy of america should not be driven by an arbitary deadline. It has to be good and right and reasonable.
Posted by: moogie_101 | Feb 5, 2009 12:55:48 PM
Maybe we need a line-item vote on this stimulus bill. The winning items get placed into the final bill.
Posted by: waysie | Feb 5, 2009 12:56:01 PM
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Get the republican Taliban mixed up in the stimulus and it’s sure to grow. Where were all these repubs who are now complaining about the size of the stimulus for the past eight years. You know, the ones that never found a spending bill they didn’t like. You know, the party of Bush who himself never vetoed one spending bill. Now, they’re worried. Now they care. Give me a break.

Ryan: What if this bill does work?? We won’t know unless we try. I still think 900 Billion should be given to the people, It is the people who generates the growth. So if every household gets $150,000 and are told we have to spend it on paying off credit card debt, cars, and your house. If anything is left you have to give it back. We would not only get the banks and the car dealers out of trouble but we would take care of the credit card companies also. Then We the people will be out of debt and be able to start saving and spending again. Maybe I should apply to be on Obamas staff. It is the people who need bailed out and it will be the people who can make it happen again.

We are one country all going thru this mess together. We can not say we-them-they-or I. It must be US! As in the US of A. The US is in a mess the likes that no one has ever seen before throughout time. Our way of life is at risk here. OUR government and president needs to think hard about what is needed for our country and not about what one group wants just because of who was elected president. I am tired of hearing we one as though we are taking sides. If you are going to do that, then let’s break out the grey and blue coats again and solved this thing with a sword and muskett.

This is not a wish list but a stimulus package… tacking on pet projects at this time increases our overall debt with no benefit to th economy… all senators democrat and republican…stop trying to shore up votes and do whats right for the country… GET RID OF THE PORK

“In this economic environment will giving tax breaks to small businesses stimulate them to higher more people? No. They will use the money for operating capital, advertising and to pay down debt. Business 101 dictates that. The republicans have lost their way, now wanting to give handouts with no return rather than creating jobs that will generate demand and income taxes”
Smoke a little crack this morning? Tax breaks have always been the number 1 way to stimulate growth. Pull out your history book bro. People fail to look back and see the future. Creating a huge government doesn’t work. FDR gets praised but his programs didn’t work very well at all. Get the true facts and you will be more enlightened. I guess if you look at a chart as the government expands our economy shrinks. Personally I hope the economy fails at this point and make people realize this standard of living is not to be taken for granted, which is what everyone has come to believe and I am tired of it. Honestly I am not as proud to be an American these days, we will be the next Europe with double digit unemployment all the time and crack heads running the streets collecting checks from uncle sammy.

We do not need a stimulis package that does NOT contain “Buy American” period.

Somebody please tell our president to sit down with congress and work for the will of the people… stop trying to sell us on something that we don’t want… your not a candidate anymore

I agree with the post that said that Obama is in over his head..!!!!
Posted by: CW | Feb 5, 2009 12:52:36 PM
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Zero, that big Oh, is PBO’s character.
Done nothing, accomplished nothing, had no experience. You really think he is Jesus, and comes in to be able to take care of you? He already “screwed up” so many things in just two weeks. You really want him to “screw up” $1T of your money?

“Tonight I ask you to give me what forty-three governors have: Give me a line-item veto this year. Give me the authority to veto waste, and I’ll take the responsibility, I’ll make the cuts, I’ll take the heat.” – Ronald Reagan, 1986 State of the Union Address. It made sense then, and it makes sense now. By the way, Bill Clinton also asked for the line item veto in his 1995 State of the Union Address.

The way I see it both Parties have good Ideas but their playing Politicts, I do have to say the Republicans wanting to give Giveaways and Tax breaks to First time home buyers is great, But how does that create Jobs? commonsense NO JOB, NO MONEY, NO MONEY NO HOUSE BUYING!

I am very disappointed in my party right now. We had a GREAT chance to show how we could lead by example and instead played right into the republican hands by putting through and fighting for an economic stimulus package that (sorry to say) is nothing but a pork package. Come on…how do they actually put in a clause to pay out to HOLLYWOOD a quarter of a BILLION dollars for film??? They’ve pushed our President to the wall and by his support of this package, makes him look bad (not a president of change but a president without backbone). I can’t believe I have to go with the Republicans on this, but heck no to passing this crap.
What I would REALLY like to see is the line item NAMES of the idiots that put each piece of pork in this package and let constituents chew them out personally.

‘alakazan54′ says:
tacking on pet projects at this time increases our overall debt with no benefit to th economy
To which I reply:
Wrong, wrong, wrong! Very basic economics, such as that available in a high school economics class, or in Heilbroner’s classic “The Wordly Philosophers”, explains why you are wrong.
It is because the health of the economy depends on the money supply, and the money supply is governed by the “C+I+G schedule”, C=consumer spending, I=private investment, G=government spending.
Even ‘pork’ usually raises G, which is good for the economy. The exception is when the spending does NOT contribute to infrastructure, nor end up in the consumer’s pocket.
But despite Republican claims, there is not so much ‘pork’ in the stimulus bill, and what little there is, STILL ends up in the consumer’s pocket. So yes, it DOES stimulate the economy.
So ignore the Republican whiners crying ‘pork’. They are lying to us. Support the badly needed stimulus.

I thought Obama said he would go line by line and strike anything that looked like pork or an earmark. What happened? Perhaps he is afraid of offending Pelosi.

There is no leadership in D.C. The President is inexperienced and mostly just WRONG on how to fix the problem.
This country is rapidly approaching the end! The machine is Washington is broken, no amount of money will fix it.
It is time to throw out the old machine and start over. We have reached the state that Thomas Jefferson predicted long ago.

Obama is winging it! What did you expect?
Getting elected doesn’t mean you have the wisdom to govern well!
And political savvy or expediency doesn’t translate into good leadership.
The world has seen many brilliant leaders take people down harmful paths! :(

It is the easiest thing in the world to attempt to fix a problem by throwing money at it. It takes a REAL statesman to fix a problem without making it worse.

Listen to Webb’s recommendations, pull out anything that doesn’t smell right and get on with it. I for one, don’t understand why the Repubs. were pushing so hard for that $15,000 homebuyer credit. I believe that is wasteful spending. How does that help folks trying to hold onto their homes or make ends meet? It does not address the immediate problem in the housing industry – the foreclosure crisis.

phillysmart wrote:”I have one democrat senator and one Republican senator” …
Here in Texas both mine are Rep. I’m a registered Rep. but I’m voting against these 2 fools. Neither give a tinkers dam about the middle class.

A lot of people thought that voting in change at the White House would solve all our problems. I think we need to go the full distance and vote in change at congress by throwing the bums out of office. 2010, the year that change is completed!

Obama said if we don’t pass this stimulus package NOW, America may never recover. Really, if we don’t give the Agriculture Department new computers for $345 million, America may never recover. If we don’t provide $15 billion for college scholarships, America may never recover. If we don’t provide $650 million for TV converter boxes America may never recover. I don’t care if you love the guy or hate him, this is fear mongering at it’s ultimate best. Cut the cr_p out of this bill.

mattj… if you are so interested in basic economics than you should know that all unessary spending should be eliminated when you are running record deficits that leads to bankruptcy or in the governments case inflation which nobody benefits from… take you leftwing propoganda somewhere else we are trying to right the country… no pun intended

eric wrote:”If I recall the problem had nothing to do with tax cuts you fool”.
You have selective and faulty recall you blithering idiot. Of course, that is what we have come to expect from NeoConnies. True conservatives think you are a P.O.S.

Soo-Wee! Soo-Wee! Soo-Wee!
Come one, come all to the d-crat PORK-FEST!
Not a single House Republican -along with 11 courageous d-crats- voted for this horrific, pork-filled social-welfare joke of a “stimulus” bill. Congratulations to these outstanding Americans for protecting taxpaying citizens!!!!!
Here are some of the things botox pelosi put into this atrocity:
$500 tax credit payments to non-taxpaying slugs and slackers (that would include loony-left liberal d-crat TAX CHEATS geithner, rangle, daschle, killerfer and thousands more!) and to illegal immigrants like hussein’s aunt (note to ICE: after attending the inauguration, she is now hiding in Cleveland and still ignoring the deportation order), $335,000,000 for “STD prevention”, millions more “arts and crafts” and billions for more voter fraud from ACORN!
PLUS, as if that were not bad enough, she ensured this horrifically bad bill helps the marxist drug addict with his WEALTH RE-DISTRIBUTION PLAN to corrupt the tax code to take money from hard-working American citizens and give it to slugs and slackers in the biggest expansion of welfare in American history.
Every taxpaying American citizen should be outraged at what the loony-left liberal d-crats have done, and they should thank each and every one of the Republicans that tried to protect their money.

‘A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.’ -Thomas Jefferson

eric wrote:” But hey I am stupid tax cuts will hurt us more.”
We agree on something, you are stupid.

we end up deeper in debt to China!
Posted by: Jordan | Feb 5, 2009 1:16:04 PM
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You moron needs to thank China for bailing your butt out. SoS Clinton has to take his trip abroad to China to persuade them to come back to purchase our 30 year debt bills, in stead of the short term 5 year bills. Do you know who is buying the government debts now? The Federal Reserves.
When was the last time you borrowed from yourself that you don’t have, moron?

Angie said: I do have to say the Republicans wanting to give Giveaways and Tax breaks to First time home buyers is great, But how does that create Jobs?
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All every economist and expert has been saying over the past few months is that unless you sort out the housing crisis then the economy is never going to grow. it all starts with housing. get houses being bought and sold, money flowing through the banks, economy starts to grow.

The last thing this country needs is to rush into passing a stimulus package that will only OVER-BANKRUPT an ALREADY bankrupt US!
I say LET THE PEOPLE VOTE ON IT! 80% of what’s in it is arrogant spending on special interest projects and only a FRACTION of the money is actually going to do little at best to help the middle-class like it was SUPPOSED to do!
NO STIMULUS-JUST JOBS!! We don’t need $600.00, we need JOBS!

You guys obviously have never owned and managed your own business. If a business worked like our government, the business would have failed long ago.
Solution 1. Eliminate FICA and Medicare payroll deductions for 24 months. This gives every worker a 7.65% immediate raide. It adds an instant 7.65% per employee to the bottom line of businesses hiring americans.
Solution 2. CUT Govenment spending by 10% across the board (except for defense). ELIMINATE USELESS GOVERNMENT SERVICES and FREEZE GOVERNMENT WAGES FOR 24 MONTHS.
Solution 3. ELIMINATE CORPORATE INCOME TAXES OR AT LEAST ROLL THEM BACK TO COMPETE WITH OTHER COUNTRIES.
PROBLEM SOLVED! THIS AIN’T HARD PEOPLE! The talking heads in washington just don’t want to give up the power to help Americans. Political greed at its worst!

Hey Matt J.,
I think we need to throw the current Democrats out of congress too. I keep looking for a reset button on Congress, but I can’t find one. Does anyone know if CTRL-ALT_DLT will work?

Why don’t you folks shut up about “Obama is being betrayed by his party” bull. Did you say that when George W Bush was in office? you didn’t, because you will find any fault that he did and grind the crap out of him. Now so that you can have a little more understanding of how this government system works. A president does not have all the power to do what he realy wants to. So to you lefts we are still USA not RCC (Red Communist China). So therefore your hope that Obama will do what ever he thinks is best for him does not come true. Now that you folks found out the truth you did not voted for “HOPE” you’ve voted for “DOPE”.

The Republican GOP need to be apart of the solution, instead of criticizing everything. We are in this position by the 8 years of Bush. Obama has already taken actions to begin to help the middle class. These Republicans are jokes. They had no recommendations during BUSH’s eight years, but now they have awakened to criticize someone instead of partner and use their brain to recommend solutions to diligently work to get this to middle class America now. We will remember in 2 years when they come up for re-election. Newt Gingrich is not a leader, and if that is who the Republican use as their leader, they are a joke and out of sync with the world.

If this Pelosi/Reid pig bill passes the Senate and President Obama is dumb enough to sign it, it will be his downfall.

eric wrote:” But hey I am stupid tax cuts will hurt us more.”
We agree on something, you are stupid.
I asked and no one can explain. Tax cuts do not hurt us. More taxes and a bloated government just weighs down on an economy like most of Europe. Read up people and get the facts. Stop spewing opinion as fact, it makes you look very uneducated. Go ahead and attack me, I don’t expect to see any real effort to answer the questions because there is no response because I am right about that. Go ahead call me stupid I will be fine and dandy with that. Atleast I know the truth and that is what matters to me, not your pathetic attacks that do nothing to advance your cause.

I am actually feeling sorry for the obama kool-aid drinkers. They cannot think for themselves. now blaming republicans for not passing the democratic pet projects spending bill. You are all crazy. this bill is for spending, not stimulus. If anybody was beling sensible you would only create a stimulus bill now that was for fixing the economy and creating jobs and then when you think things are getting better promote your spending bill.
I kind of hope it passes without much republican support because its a sure way to get more republicans elected in 2010. Its the biggest joke i’ve ever seen and it makes Obama seem very weak. He needs this bill passed as his whole presidency is banking on it, he cant back down.

Has it occured to anyone the magnitude of the deficit left under GW’s watch? Do you think that the Obama administration is “making this stuff up” to spend your money? Most of you have no idea how the government works, or you wouldn’t be chanting nonsense. Get informed.

The last I checked the country voted for Obama and threw Most of the Republicans out on their A$$ES,So to me that means if the Country wanted the Republicans ways and their Sorry Tax cuts that have not and do not work Mccain would be President! So I think its time for new ways, The Republicans had 8 years And this is the Result of their Policies. LETS TRY NEW THINGS,LETS TRY THE DEMOCRATS POLICIES

American For Change, Bush did not cause the current economic mess. No one president could do that much damage. Republicans didn’t cause it either. Rather, it’s the result of socialist initiatives that date back to Jimmy Carter. Please google “Community Reinvestment Act” and start reading.

Lindsey Graham has SLAMMED Obama for his lack of leadership – - he is right on !

ERIC
We did the Tax cut thing with Bush, what has it Done? No Jobs were created by Bushes Tax cuts. Just look at how high Unemployment is 75000 Jobs lost in one day, So I highly think Tax cuts are gonna Help THIS ECONOMY

8 years of deterioration is not rush. This should have been done years ago. I am sick of talk and no action. I am thankful that we have someone of action now.
Success is not about what you say and what you promise, if you do not follow it with action.
There are situations in life where action is needed quickly and this is one of them.

Love Obama, see it for what it is, Republicans playing politics with Americans lives as usual. They are adding to the bill to help the wealthy and leaving middle class Americans out as usual.

You would think the retards in Washington would eventually figure out that maybe this giant pig-bill should be ten small bills, each judged on their own merit. But they probably don’t want that since it would make it harder for them to hide payola and bribes in the thing.

wonderwoman, you’re a genious. Can you please explain to all of us how obama’s stimulus plan is going to fix the deficit. Then can tell us how his stimulus is going to save people’s jobs.

We need some leadership in Washington…as mentioned earlier. This stimulus package will cause inflation to spiral out of control in just a few short years which may be an anarchists desire, but not mine. Lets focus on restoring the essential needs even as Americans are buying and using only the essential things they need.

No matter what Pres. Obama does there are going to be those who will criticize. For Pete’s sake, he hasn’t been in office three weeks…give him a chance. Why is it that we gave Bush a chance for EIGHT YEARS? Why do you think we have this mess?
Grow up all you bashers….for once let’s stand together and let this man do his job…he is doing more than Bush did…already froze white house salaries and went after wall street salaries.

Where was Bush and his Republicans Congress for 6 years, putting us into this mess. Now they have no idea, except to cut taxes and subsidize home purchases, to get us out. What are or have Republicans proposed for those facing foreclosure? What are they doing or proposing to create jobs? They do nothing except leech off of lobbyists and write what they want them to write…kind of like when Cheney wrote the Energy Policy behind closed doors with lobbyists.

nomomoney: The entire stimulous package is available on line to read. Get informed.

Give every person who actually paid taxes $250,000. That, in turn, will allow people to pay maotgages, buy cars, and put a little in for savings.

LINDSEY GRAHAM
Another right wing rag Who cares what he thinks its what the People think not some right wing Loser!Instead of Sitting on Fox news Yapping his Mouth why dont he Come up with some plans to Help this country?

Lets see … democrats hate Bush since he spent like a democrat, yet they love democrats who want to spend 3x as much, and they hate republicans who are trying to stop it. Seems we have both irony and idiocy taken to their extreme.

Lindsey Graham just nailed Obama. I like seeing senators with the b*lls to stick up for what the american people want___Yeah Linsey did just that when he voted 850 Billion for Wall Street (and Pork), which 75% of Americans opposed, what idiots you neos are lol.

Mr. Obama was recently published in an Op-ed piece saying something to the nature of we are in the worst recession since the great depression. Are you Serious Mr. Obama? The GDP only fell 3.8 % in the last quarter of 2008. During the Great Depression it was 2 or 3 times that number! Our country will prevail from this recession, but we need a bill aimed solely at helping the economy and not at extra spending on unrelated projects.

Angie, do you even have a clue what is in this bill? I didn’t think so.

Either way you vote you lose.
http://www.middleofright.com/2009/01/americans-are-stupid.html

I have an idea! How about giving a tax break to people who’s credit rating is high, have already paid off their mortgage, never borrowed above their means, and have never been audited for their taxes? I mean since we’re giving money away!

unfortunately, the issues are complex and multi-layered. This makes it confusing for most folks, and they tend to rely on ultraconservatism, as it resonates of intolerance and mis-directed anger. The issues are not quite as simplistic as you see described here. Get informed. Education is fundamental to understanding.

Wonderwoman, Yeah, I didn’t think so.

Here little piggy, here little piggy!
If Obama dangles some more money out there for GOP pet causes, the little GOP piggies will be snorting their way to the trough of public savings. After all, which party spent over $5 trillion dollars doubling the national debt?

“Lets see … democrats hate Bush since he spent like a democrat,” ___No we hate him because he borrowed and spent on something that was a mistake, the war. He also spent money on Africa, which if it was Obama you’d be whining about.
“yet they love democrats who want to spend 3x as much,”___ As long as it’s for the people, Repubs are all for spending money just on the wealthy.
“and they hate republicans who are trying to stop it.” ___They are adding to it like they did with the Wall Street bailout, lest your simple mind forgets.
“Seems we have both irony and idiocy taken to their extreme.”___ Yes but you neocons are not known for brilliance.

Angie – stop already, your showng your age (you must be in high school?). I just explained that the economy wont recover until housing is sorted out. we need buying and selling and lending to get back on track, and this will trickle up and help other private sector areas.

Angie – 75% percent is for this Stimulus Bill?? Read it and make sure of that…. also where did you get that figure?

Matt J….
Your astute comments on basic economic principles are excellent.
Unfortunately, many posting here don’t have the mental acuity to comprehend the importance of the issue and therefore the need to pass this stimulus package.
The ones who only blah, blah, blah the same ol’ “talking points” hand fed them by right wing ideologues are best ignored.
The ones who have genuine concerns would do improve their relevant arguments by taking a few moments to look up: “economy”, “recession”, “depression” etc. They might realize that Spending IS Stimulus in an economic situation like we have today (It’s not 1980… get in the NOW folks, please).
I am an Independent voter – among the “constructive center” and I support this bill with minor caveats. I would like to see it simplified (and I have let my representatives know my opinion) — so even those among us that don’t understand economies, what “pork” really is and the FACT that we should be not so much afraid (doesn’t help, really) but very diligent and concerned in this situation — can see WHY it is a step into a more secure future.
Our security is directly related to our economic stability (this IS a world wide problem, remember) — and the US needs to make a bold statement in order to remain – and unfortunately after the last eight years, regain… our leadership place in the world.
President Obama was elected by a majority who were and are well aware of his priorities. We do not need bitter partisan rhetoric and old failed ideas trying to “lick the wounds” of defeat and attempt to move the country back in time.
Lets move Forward. Have some faith folks — if not in YOUR President (like it or not) then in your country’s resilience and the will of the people.
Intelligent people voted for Mr. Obama — the “sheep”, “kool aid”, “messiah” comments serve no kind of truth and are decidedly ridiculous.
God Bless you and God bless America.

doodoo,
What are you talking about man? you think RCC is bailing us out? Have you ever live in a communist country before? Yeah it’s a one man decision political system. My point was that all you lefts thinking once Obama takes office he can use his magical spell to turn this country around. You guys disregard to what was warned while he ran for the election and now when the truth comes out you use the “He is being betrayed by his party” tactic.

Angie, I think the right is suggesting tax cuts, because they pretty much always work. They worked for Reagan (who inherited Carters recession) and they worked for W (who inherited the dotcom crash and 9/11). This pig bill is a repeat of the FDR approach that created the Great Depression of the 1930′s.

Wait till next year they’ll lose even more seats, most people know they are doing nothing for America or her people, this is just playing politics hoping to hurt Obama (they want to see him fail)… Meanwhile they will grandstand and do interviews whining about spending when the biggest spender there ever was just left office with the lowest approval ratings ever recorded. They can tell those out of work with no health insurance, or those with businesses closing how they are concerned about spending.

angie–Whoa.
75% of Americans are for this stimulus bill?
Are you kidding me?
Let me guess, you are wearing an Obama t-shirt right now, drinking from an Obama coffe mug, glancing at your Obama collectible coinset, that sits right next to your Obama collectible plate set, and are about to pop in the historic inauguration video that finally showed up.
You are what’s wrong with America.
75% support this bill? Lay off the meth.

Who Cares? They’ll Pass The Bill, America Will Crash Financially And The Party In Power Will Take The Blame For It. This Is An Age old Story……

Louis
I understand Housing is the Problem,But its not the only Problem, People are LOSING THEIR JOBS! Companies are Closing
I fail to see How giving Huge Tax breaks to First time Home Buyers is all that will help, What about People who have lost their Jobs and can no longer afford their Mortgage? Why cant the Banks let them Refinance their rates from lets say 6 percent to about 4 percent and then the People could still pay their Mortgages Banks still get their Money.

conservative talk show hosts should be able to run the country. certain white people should be allowed to throw out of the country who they want, when they want. new ideas should not be explored. college degrees should be discouraged. comments and opinions should be stuffed down the throat of others, regardless of facts or knowledge. ignorance will overcome!

Yes, we must move forward quickly in order to fund terrorists in the middle east. We must also fund those guilty of voter fraud in the U.S. such as ACORN. This must happen now in order for the obama government to stay in power.

The Democrats continue to show their TRUE colors. SPEND!!

Angie – the unfortunate side of a recession is job loss. you cant hurry the recovery, it usually takes about 2 years, but you can start the process by doing it right, and that means tax breaks for corporates so they dont have to lay off more people, and get house buying and selling up and running again.

“Angie, I think the right is suggesting tax cuts, because they pretty much always work. They worked for Reagan (who inherited Carters recession)” ____Reagan created a record deficit of his own. He also RAISED taxes on the middle class
“and they worked for W (who inherited the dotcom crash and 9/11).”____ Clinton left Bushie with a surplus and he turned it into a deficit devaluing the dollar to boot. Throw in a record trade deficit.
“This pig bill is a repeat of the FDR approach that created the Great Depression of the 1930′s.” ___Hoover another “great” Republican was in charge and did nothing once the Great Depression hit, FDR created jobs so at least people could feed their families and not live under bridges. Interesting how WWll spurred growth but Bushes war helped kill it.

I’d like to conduct a pole … how many folks here own the Michael Moore DVD box set? I’m guessing about half.

as if…
I care.
I don’t think America will crash (however the bill finally gets enacted)– only because it hasn’t yet and we’ve had “good” and “bad” decisions from parties in power (and out) since the first day…
While I don’t advocate a [French-type] revolution, I agree with the point a poster made about “we are the government”.
We elected the current executive and legislative people… we need to be informed and offer them our INDIVIDUAL opinions. Stop the partisan “talking points” (either side)…. think for yourself and take responsibility.

This country is in huge trouble. Instead of an effective leader we have an inexperienced camera loving celebrity. Pelosi and company got what they want and now they’re truely running this country. Have you ever seen so many problems with a President’s proposed cabinet members?

Jill wrote: “Stop blaming the Republicans!!!”
Why?? We deserve the blame. We let the Congress/Senate and GW spend all our surplus on the war in Iraq, give aways to Haliburton, KBR, Big Oil, CEO’s, Lobbyist, The Wealthiest. etc. etc. Time we pulled up out pants and TOOK RESPONSIBILITY Jill.

If this bill passes like it is now, then the Democrats will be tarred and feathered in two years. Pelosi and Reid had better find asylum in another country and take Barney and Dodd with them.

“The Democrats continue to show their TRUE colors. SPEND!!”
Republicans were all about spending, but then that was for donors, defense contactor (no bid contracts) and cronies. Bush set a record deficit with his borrowing and spending that did not do one thing to help this country. Then there was the 700 billion for Wall Street which Republicans to buy their vote because they wouldn’t support Bush tacked on 150 billion extra…money for rum makers, wooden arrows and corps in America Samoa. What hypocrites.

no, say it ain’t so. the polits are piling on the pork with our tax money??? who would have thunk it??? servants of the people are serving themselves big heap taxpayers’ portions…

*******BREAKING NEWS *********
WASHINGTON — The husband of President Obama’s Labor secretary nominee paid about $6,400 Wednesday to settle tax liens that had been outstanding for as long as 16 years against his business, the Obama administration told USA TODAY this afternoon.
The disclosure came shortly before a 2 p.m. meeting of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, which is scheduled to vote on Rep. Hilda Solis’ nomination as labor secretary.”
…….. Here we go AGAIN!
But there is good news….economists say that if all the rich liberal elites in this country paid their taxes we could run a Federal surplus in 2009.
How does that sound to everyone?

Yeah morons lets just pass a trillion dollar bill just because you clowns are still under the spell of a smiling empty suit.

There is never going to be a perfect bill.Everybody has a view.Tax cuts alone or spending alone is not the answer. Pass a bill fast as things are tanking all over. Republicans- your criticism is valuable but you got us in this mess.Give up your salaries for the common good

My wife and I do NOT want our tax dollars being used on wasteful things (regardless of the party recommending it). We want our tax dollars spent on job creation, tax reductions, and infrastructure projects. WRITE YOUR SENATORS and the WHITE HOUSE and TELL THEM HOW YOU FEEL!!!………… senate.gov….and…..whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/opl

“Louis
Do you really think By giving Coporate Tax cuts right now in this Economy They will not lay people off Still? Maybe they will use that Money to Pay off Debt Rebuild some of their Business”___They probably really believe that, despite the fact the government is giving banks billions and they are still laying off people lol. All that will happen is the CEO will get a bigger bonus and there will be more money for building call centers and factories overseas.

opine101 Oil companies??? Try speculators.

TrueDemocrat…
You are missing a very important point.
While President Obama has been consistently trying to work with Republicans in a bi-partisan manner (as he promised)… He can’t force them to try and work with him.
Unfortunately a lot of false information has been given to the American people regarding this bill… and most (not all, surely) of it has come from the minority party.
Example: A statement went around the ‘net yesterday saying the bill (when at $900 billion) would make each job created cost $300,000…….. you can do math on these numbers and say… yeah. But you forget that a third of the bill — is tax`cuts.
A tax cut is not a job created, it is economic relief.
Please think, learn… people.
We need to focus on the “U” in USA.
thanks

“Hege, why is there a huge trade deficit you ask? It’s because the USA is a crappy place to start/own a business. The USA has way-high corporate taxes and dangerously strong labor unions.” ___ Strong labor unions? Union membership is an all time low and every union from UAW to teamsters has made concessions while the CEOS and execs haven’t cut back.
“Guess which party you can thank for that (hint: doesn’t start with an “R”). It’s no wonder companies are jumping off the good-ship USA. “____It does start with “R” the same party who gave permanent trade status to China while they screw us in return. The same party who wants to continue giving companies tax incentives for shipping jobs overseas. The same party that doesn’t want to enforce laws and penalties for companies that employ illegals.

Money going to people who don’t even pay taxes is not a tax cut. That’s the part of this tax cut crap nobody wants to talk about.

dassis, You are missing one very important point. This bill was crafted in the house WITHOUT any imput from Republicans. WHY??? Now who is being bi-partisan?

Hey, Bamy. How do you plan on paying for all this free money?Whose money are you going to take to pay for all this? My great grand kids?

Here’s an idea to cut down the cost of the stimulus plan–cut the GOP’s proposals geared only to helping the wealthy.
Posted by: lurlene may | Feb 5, 2009 2:13:57 PM
That is deep.

Billy Bob
I did not say you said that, But the Republicans Want to Doctor the Problem. Yes There are some people out there with good credit And want to buy a home. Im not Knocking the Plan but I dont think that should be the Republicans only focus.

cbk16, this is only the first stimulus package. There is another, more costly bailout coming right behind it.

Let’s take what the good Senator from SC Lindsey Graham. Republicans are crazy, for the last 8 years they were all about spend spend spend, give rich people more tax breaks so that they can have there million dollar homes, that seem to work real well for us so lets keep doing that. You freakin fools, the reepublicans are playing us. Pass this bill without them and screw them like they screwed us getting us into this to begin with. Yeah I voted for change, but the rebublican idiots think they won the election. They are going to spend the money it is on what it what matters. If the O-Man wants to sink this money into us, if he wants to invest this money on us FOR US we need to let him. Have none of the naysayers been paying attention to what has been happening. How many times did hear of George Bush, Bill Cinton, or any previous Pres had so many meetings across the party lines. The State Governments need this money so that our schools and our roads our state employees can stay EMPLOYEED AND OUR CHILDREN HAVE HEAT IN THIER SCHOOLS. So that our highschools have afterschool programs.
I agree it’s going to be 2 years before we can expect to see anhy progress, So why the ell are we draging our feet.
You republicans lost your time is over, it is your fault and the failure of the leaders you intrusted. From the lack of couarge and lack of common sense you put the man in charge twice that did not know what he was doing and then surrounded himself with partisan and intellectlly deficent advisiors. It is our time. If the O-Man fails we will have the courage to vote him out. But I will give him the chance.

Barb – it doesnt matter who else in congress owes money in taxes. whoever doesnt pay taxes, especially when they earn so much, is a crook
now 4 of obama’s key employees have been caught not paying taxes. This is not good. it sends a really bad message. tehy want to use our tax dollars that we work hard for to spend on pet projects that i dont want my money spent on, and yet they dont add to this themselves….
Too many crooks around that shouldnt be given the opportunity to run my country.

billy bob…
I said President Obama has been reaching out to the minority party.
He [also] can’t order House Reps to do what he wants.
He is not a dictator, after all.
PS – YOU can write, e-mail, phone your reps. That is our individual responsibility.

Folks…we cannot complain if we do not act. We CAN INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME HERE. Please call and email your senators and the White House and tell them you do NOT want a wasteful stimulus bill. Tell them what you want and what you expect. We’re getting their attention…but we have to keep pressure on these guys to DO THE RIGHT THING for us (since we pay for their positions). …..Please call and email them……… senate.gov….and…..whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/opl

Louis, it does matter who else in Congress and the Senate owes taxes…because if these four people owe taxes you can sure bet there are many others…I’m not saying it’s right! I’m saying they should investigate and anyone who owes taxes should be fired on the spot! they should not let anyone run for public office in the first place who owes taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!

You all get so hung up on stats, you really need to go to the bottom line.Control of supply, movement, and communications.Fundamental military applications employed to subjugate and/or destroy an enemy.Guess what you people are in the eyes of the civilian govt..

People, You ll are now married to Obama for now, all he needs is support from ya’ll, not all this negative thinking, being DEM or REP, doesn’t matter, all he needs is to fix everything, which he can’t do alone, Bush messed up, we all agree, let Obama do his Job Pleaseee

Yeah for “greg”
I vote you as cool dude in the board.
Absolutely! We voted Obama in and if he doesn’t do right by us – “we the people”… we’ll have the courage and sense to vote him out.
For now — I too, am giving him a chance to do the things I supported him to do!

Angie – You lost all credibility when you said 75% of Americans approve of the stimulus package. Go educate yourself and when you have some value to add, enlighten everyone.

justanotherperson… I alreday did it and I get everyone to do it …its important that the morons in congress and the senate understand that we are watching and are going to vote their butts out next time… that seems to be the only thing that motivates them … do it and get your freinds to do it

Phil Gramm said two weeks before the election that “Americans are just a bunch of whiners, this is only a mental recession.” John McCain said our economy was sound. I wonder who we should be listening to for solutions?

Freein NH, you lost credibility when you said your taking your business overseas, See Ya

lurlene is the typical blind Dem who has no idea what the hell they’re talking about. The bill was drafted by the Dems so what the hell are you talking about with this wasteful GOP spending crap? Obama has so many of you under such a spell.

billy bob…
Please read up on “separation of powers”.
He didn’t “let” them write the bill. That is their job and their function in government.
AGAIN He is not a dictator.
They legislate, he executes, judicial judges. ( = over Simplified separation of powers explanation).

Open mind: Cheers!
Greg: I’m sorry you think that. However, if I am going to pay FAR less overseas, it is the smartest thing to do for a company. Whether you like it or not, it IS about profitabilty of a corporation. This decision doesn’t erase one’s credibility, it defines someone with intelligence who makes the right decisions for their companies. Love it or leave it, that is reality.

by all accounts I have read there is not enough gold in the reserve to cover the amount of paper money out there. So print some money get this bill passed and let us start building the future for our kids that they deserve. Do we wait until it takes 2 trillion to pull us out the ditch, 3 trillion. We have been trying tax cuts, the rich people and upper tier don’t mind leaving us behind. We can not have a strong country being divided as we are.

So the smoking cecation program, movie producers film, family planning have all been dropped from the Senate plan, thank god. There is still some things that need to go, obviously furniture for the homeland security offices don’t create jobs, TV converter boxes don’t either. More can be cut but it’s great to see both parties making decisions. Obama deserves a lot of credit for meeting more in two weeks with Republicans than Bush did in 8 years with Democrats. When Republican senators are willing to say about Obama willingness to meet with Deomocrats alone with no aids “It was amazing,” “Presidents don’t do that. But it does help to be alone and have a free exchange.”

I am a registered democrat who did not vote for Obama. I did not trust someone who would not take a side and had little leadership experience. Our government cannot be an easy one to run. It takes leadership and courage to do the Right Thing. He never showed it State or Federal government he was capable of doing that. Now that he is president he is more interested in interviews that create panic among the American people than to work with Congress to bring a about a true stimulus package that would create jobs in the near future and provide tax cuts that would stimulate the economy. I like an article that Mike Huckabee wrote. Read…even if he is not your cup of tea…it makes a lot of sense.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,486971,00.html
And I do not want my government to give me money…it is my tax dollars any way that I would just have to pay back. Why are some of you commenting here forgetting this is your tax dollars they are spending that you and the next 2 generations get to pay back. If you loaned a friend $1000 because they were having problems paying their bills and they decided to take a trip to Disneyland would this upset you? Why are we not upset when the government uses our tax dollars for stuff we don’t need when the economy is having such a tough time. If we as Americans can cut back and spend our money on the essentials why can’t our own government?

Would that be the same federal reserve that Tim Geithner was president of? Just curious? He was president from 2003 until confirmed as Treasury Secretary.

Opine 101: Right Graham said the recession was all mental right before the election and McCain and Bush both said the economy was sound…and they want these people to run the country????

Becky has is right, sort of: if we use the “trickle up” theory, according to US Census and IRS statistics, there are estimated 116,011,000 taxpaying households in the US or approximately 191,689,654 taxpayers (this does not include the elderly and otherwise non-tax paying US citizens over the age of 18); using these figures, each taxpayer would receive $8,451 as their part of the proposed combined bailout of $1,620,000,000,000 (count the zeros here folks). Each household could receive $13,964. Seriously – with this much “free” cash – how much dent could you put into your debt and how much would you have left over to invest in repairing our roads and bridges and energy conservation and still “stimulate the economy?” Just a thought.

Barbara your post makes too much sense. According to these complete idiots like Angie and Barb we should rush to pass this bill just because. One trillion in tax payer dollars just because they like Obama’s smile. Too blind to see that this bill has Pelosi written all over it. I’m surprised they haven’t found money being put aside for your next face lift.

If they pass this what is congress going to do for the next 4 years? Everything they want is passed in this and we will have no money left.

HOW MUCH IS A TRILLION?
The day that Jesus was born If we spent 1 million dollars a day, it would still not reach ONE TRILLION DOLLARS!

Repubs are frauds with this tax credit for buying a house…You would have to make $88,0000 to owe that amount to the IRS –median income of family of 4- $54,000- that means they would forfeit $12,000 back to the gov’t–no carryover.
Attention grabber but no substance as usual!
Call them –1.800.828.0498! McConnell , kyl, and Demint will be gone in 2010 along with Pelosi -if we Dems are lucky!

Bobby I take offense…we are not idiots..just because we don’t agree with you….that’s the real problem here…and I can see why Pres. Obama is having a problem too…you Repubs just keep chattering and not listening…or discussing…..
perhaps you are the one who is an idiot?

Get all the pork out of this “spending” package. Its all payback for those that helped the dems during the election. How did our fine (sarcastic) government handle the first 350 billion “bailout” for the banks? No one knows cuz they cant account for where or how the money went.

Illinois call and vote NO to current bill
Sen. Richard J. Durbin
202-224-2152 [voice]
202-228-0400 [fax]
Sen. Roland Burris
202-224-2854 [voice]
202-228-4260 [fax]

Why would republicans readily back the Bush/Paulson 700 billion dollar bailout of the Wall Street Banks, but not support a bailout to infuse liquidity and job creation for the average American worker?

Barb you’re an idiot because you offer no reasoning to why this bill should be passed except basically just to say because it should be. Support for this bill is now at 37% according to Rasmussen and is falling everyday. There’s a reason for that. It’s because the bill is garbage. Pelosi is the pig with the pork she needs to cram into every goddamn thing she gets her hands on.

Does everyone get the fact that 900 billiion is $3500 per US citizen? If they gave a family of four $14,000 do we not believe that the economy would be stimulated? The current bill is a pile of (fill in the blank) and most of the money will be siphoned off by the bureaucracy before we see the benefit. In addition over 50% of it will not even make it into the pipeline for over 12 months.
What is needed is to stop the payroll tax on individuals and cap it at a certain amount so that the disproportionate amount goes to those at the lower end of the payscale and base it on the family size. The economy will be stimulated without adding 42 more government agencies and mountains of paperwork for people to get help. And yes, those unemployed should receive a benefit as well but no illegals.

opine101 that 700 billion dollar bailout was only approved after the Dems were able to pork it up.

Bobby idiot: all these polls are different..you believe everything you read? Also, the pork is only 2% or so of the bill….Grow up!

If the so-called Dems on here know anything – YOU RAN CONGRESS FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS – LOOK WHERE WE ARE.
I truly feel this President is putting huge pressure to rush into something that will be a disaster. I have seen things on CNN that clearly show this is NOT A STIMULUS PACKAGE. I do feel like this country is headed towards a dictatorship. He is saying YOU MUST SIGN OR ELSE – NOW – Wrong.

Hey dassis. Just because Obama and the Democrats threw a bone to the republicans for the $15,000 tax credit doesn’t mean that Obama is working with the Republicans.
All Obama is doing is collecting a handful of Republican votes so that when this spending spree fails… he can blame the repulicans.
What he should do, is really work with Republicans. If the republicans get on board, this spending spree will really have the big big punch it needs.
Obama should throw the Republicans about 5 or 6 bones with meat on them.
IE, like:
1) cutting $200 billion in Pork
2) Deleting the ACORN SPENDING
3) Keeping the spending down to 700 Billion
4) Eliminating the 6 Billion for internet porn in Rural areas
5)And so on.
Newsmax did an article called
1.17 Trillion in Pork and Goodies
you should read it.
http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/stimulus_pork_spending/2009/01/29/176503.html
I am a democrat who listens to what the other side says. It’s a way to gain insight.
Obama said, you republicans should stop listening to Rush Limbaugh.
So, you know what happens right? The republicans are now listening intently to Rush Limbaugh.
So, I held my nose and I checked out Rush. And I found out that Rush goes about things the wrong way, but he makes great points. So to the republicans, he makes great sense.
You can’t argue Rush’s points on Pork spending. It’s totally true that this spending bill is filled with pork. Fact is Fact.
And as a democrat, I feel totally ashamed of this spending bill. Because the facts show it is a pork o rama!
We democrats need a spending bill that we can be proud of. Instead, this bill brings total shame to our party for all the pork that is in it.
Hopefully, my fellow dems will see the light, stop smoking all the pot and call their senators and reps to tell them to stop the pork!
CMon my fellow dems! This stimulus is not an opportunity to ream the republicans with all our hippy ideas… ie Acorn. It should be to get the country going.
Don’t worry, we will have plenty of opportunities to get the Acorn spending reamed through… ie like in the budget???
CMON dems, we voted this guy in, lets not let him make a fool of us!
STOP THE PORK!!!

Allen please see my post above to Barbara. You’re making too much sense here and will not be paid attention to.

You people slamming the Republicans need to get a life and pull your heads out Pelosi and Reisds rear ends. Even Sen Webb a DEMOCRAT says he found 100 BILLION dollars that do not belong. Get your fascist heads cleared out and stop playing your stupid, and childish, Party games and be an America. This bill blows bigger chunks than the one PELOSI forced on us from Bush last year and you fools think it is going to make the US an Utopia just because Mr Obama is the President. Guess what, it does not work that way. This “Stimulus” plan does squat to create jobs, it gives money to Pelosi’s friend in the finance and mortgage industries and wastes more money than even she can count. Stop being a bunch of BLIND SHEEP SHILLS and see that Pelosi and Reid and their Cult are the ones that are trying to rip you off, just lioke when they passed Bush’s bill last year. And this all goes for the Rightist here, both Party’s are predominately crooks.

Angie I hope for the sake of your family the Dems put some money in the bill for you to obtain a brain.

BARB
Bobby probably only listens to Fox News and the leader of the Republican Party Rush Limbaugh! go easy on him Barb they are Intoxicated on the Right wing Juice

Angie: No matter what we say these idiots will just keep repeating themselves…your last post says it all…LOL..they actually believe what they are blogging .and they call US idiots….it’s very sad. For once we have a real President and they can’t even give him a chance.

Why would republicans readily back the Bush/Paulson 700 billion dollar bailout of the Wall Street Banks, but not support a bailout to infuse liquidity and job creation for the average American worker?
_____________________________
in case you forgot, republicans werent jumping on board the last stim bill very easily. Dems (knowing damn well they created teh housing mess) pushed VERY hard for this bill to pass, along with presidnet Bush. Republicans needed a lot of push to sign on, and not every one of them did. And most conservatives were totally against it. Remember you dont have to be a sheep to your party leader and agree with everything they wnat to do. its called thinking outside the box.

Spending by both parties obliterates reason. Regulate greed not the green. The doors to the crypt are opening.

TrueDemocrat: I’m with you!! (tho’ I’m an Inde) ;-)
Folks: please CALL and eMAIL your senators and the White House and tell them to ELIMINATE ALL PORK and WASTE from this spending package!!!
Here’s the info:
senate.gov
whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/opl
You can also send your “love notes” to Nancy Pelosi at: speaker.gov.
WE CAN INFLUENCE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DO THE RIGHT THING!!!!!!

Angie:
Great point about Healthcare, Education and Bridges… except its the other 500 billion that is the problem. Are you are moron… the answer is yes. yes you are. Pay your taxes this year please don’t act like the cheaters you idolize so much in the Democratic party. How do you feel about a former KKK member being a senator in your party? Maybe you are a racist like him (Sen. Byrd of West Virgina). Are him and Obama getting along you seem to know so much? Tax cheaters, murderers and KKK members you should be proud to be a democrat!!!

Trina and Allen: Great points. If you want to stimulate the economy divide the 900 billion up between all the taxpayers. Even better divide it up between all the taxpayers who make less than 100,000 per year. Anyone making more than that shouldn’t need the help. If you help the people on the bottom money will get spent, if you give it to the rich they will hold on to it cause they already have enough.

Another memo to you blind Obamabots. Obama didn’t even draft this bill. He left it in the hands of others and now he’s left to defend it.

Jennifer, NYC:
“along with the Republicans, who should keep their mouths shut”
Lot of depth there….

There are still an undetermined number of amendments to be voted on, including Sen. John McCain’s alternative version of the package — a $475 billion bill that includes $275 billion in tax cuts —-
Much smarter, that McCain.

I haven’t seen my mortgage payment from BO yet. what’s the holdup.And my gas bill is still sitting onthe counter waiting to be paid by BO and I think they might turn off the gas and it’s cold outside. although it’s warmer than last year (global warming youknow)

I haven’t been outside for 2 days now because of the high temps here in south dakota, global warming you know. It is going to get above freezing for the first time since dec.18th

chaos: Didn’t you know that you have to completely screw your credit to get any help at all?? NO, don’t try and be proactive and get ahead of anything, just default like everyone else and wait…. the new administration will make us all happy ;)

all of you who say we need to pass this….got 920 billion, the rest of the working class Americans don’t. When you have a problem, you do not panic and take the first solution you come to. As well this needs to be looked at before any voting takes place. Why are all the senators phones busy and VM full, with people complaining about the current Stimulus package. BHO is not an economist, stay out of the kitchen if you can’t cook.

Amen Freein NH!!!

Dear Mr President,
We need you to succeed. Simple fix
Cut 25Bn from the assorted social programs and port add 25Bn in Infrastructure for tangibles FAST to be felt ASAP. Those fights can be won later…
You will be my and many others’ hero.
Sincerely,
A real liberal

Angie,
Bush vetoed a total of 12 bills in his eight years (six with a Republican House and four with a Republican Senate (2000-2002 the Senate was split 50-50). By contrast FDR vetoed 635 bills all with a Democratic House and Senate.
Also, to correct your error, Clinton came in with a Democratic House and Senate and overreached as Obama and the Democrats in Congress are doing now and lost the House and Senate two years later.
The American electorate is consistent. They want honest government that serves them no matter the party. They keep getting promises and keep hoping but they are overwhelmed by the money and influence of business, labor, and special interests.
The current Stimulus Bill is a perfect example of special interest input. Also, Obama can be a great leader but he has to lead not scare us into acting because he wants a current outcome. Fear works once or twice but then you are ignored (Ask Bush). He has to explain why provisions of this bill are needed and how they will stimulate the economy. He is losing the support of the people quickly. If he does he will lose many of those in the middle permanently.

free nh
right now if you employee Americans at a decent wage that is helping your brothers and sisters. And yes 38% is high, I am not opposed to tax cuts, I am not opposed to people making money. What I am opposed to,are those companies that move overseas so that the owner or ceo can fatten his own wallet, leaving Americans out of the loop. what I am opposed to us is a government that does not provide oppurtunities. What I am opposed to is the greed of those who pull the strings letting rich people who have more taking away from the people who are not as fornuate. Love ya man, it is great being an American.

Angie when we stop defining and defending ourselves based on a political party than we will make progress… by the way I am a democrat … the problems we face are way past the party talking points..Do you get something out of that bill? If not than why do you think its a good idea? because Obama wants it? learn to think for yourself

Gargantuan Government debt will surely set US free.

Give every US tax payer who paid and filed taxes in 2007 25,000.00 each and let us stimulate the economy. Yes some will save it back the banks will have it to loan out for construction or business expansions. Whole lot cheaper than a trillion on top of the last trillion.

All these Republicans just keep proving how they are interested in party politics than in the bigger picture, getting America back on the road to recovery. They all now have a better stimilus program, but didn’t have one when Bush was the President. Bunch of worthless old men who are so out of touch with America. Last good idea they had left the station 20 years ago.

NO it’s called “Democrats in action” or “Liberals in Paradise”…big government, big tax money abuse, and stealing from those who bust their rear ends to make a living to give it to those who don’t. Obama – this isn’t Nottingham and you shouldn’t be behaving like Robin Hood. There is no “hope” where you have people with no commitment to hard work and solid core American values…instead they’ll seek out everything for themselves instead of for the good of others and the country. That’s socialism…and it should NEVER be allowed to be integrated into this country in any way, and we’re already starting to see the folly of the dead cold fish known as socialism.

I am a Republican, and I say it is time to give this president and all other presidents from now on the power of the line item veto. Granted, a president may still pass a bill with pork attached, but it will give the president much more power in eliminating it.

Too —->Posted by: nubiangent08 | Feb 5, 2009 12:45:08 PM
Last time i checked or simply read the contents of this article Jim Webb is a democrat who is not gonna vote for this bill. Maybe now we can see how most of you idiots voted demo based off a simple marketing campaign by obama. Good luck learning how to read and comprehend.

So many of you on this discussion – complain, complain, complain about Obama, etc. etc. etc. blah, blah, blah….Come on people! HE INHERITED A MESS! HE IS NOT PERFECT! And what are a lot of you doing about – sitting on your butts, just gleefully spewing “in your face” ha ha ha I told you so comments about Obama is an idiot or a socialist or ……whatever. Real useful…. real proactive. Yep, that’s going to solve our problems. When are you going to realize that it is WE the people that have to ultimately do what needs to be done. Ours is supposed to be a participatory democracy! The President cannot do everything – for the most part he (or she) can mostly set a tone….and I sure like the tone of this President – not like the last so called one we just had who told us to go shopping rather than do service when the 9/11 crisis hit. We can’t expect a “big daddy” who will have all the answers and make us feel good. That, more than anything is the terrible legacy the Rove/Cheney/Bush junta left us – Their answer was – just give us big daddy conservatives the power and we will do what is right for America. We must not turn our power over to any corporation cartel or partisan cabal in government or any special interest group. WE MUST BECOME A RESILIENT PEOPLE…. NOT A WHINING AND SCARED SHEEPLE!
A Resilient People:
* would be strong and courageous in the face of crises……. terrorists or a natural disaster. For the latter, they will prepare intelligently. Start, for example, by taking a Red Cross first aid course. Police and fire officials stated that if more of the people in New Orleans knew basic first aid procedures a lot less problems would have ensued. For the former we must develop a belief so strong in our way of life that no evil can kowtow us. To do that we must get back to the basics of why our country is here and what our responsibility is. We must instill this in our youth and give them the protocols and skills necessary to survive and excel in an increasingly dangerous world.
* Resilient People would be a frugal and energy conservation minded not because it’s the latest green fad but because it’s wise and efficient and part of their lifestyle. Then the profits from our energy use would not go to the terrorists.
* Even though these resilient people respect and honor a military, and its prudent use, they will not cower behind it or expect it to solve all the problems in the world.
* will say in shape so as not to jack up health care and energy costs.
* answer the call for SERVICE rather than just shopping. They participate in their community. Have a local system in operation to help people thru these tough times.
* know and understand their civic responsibility. They have an understanding of what our Constitution is all about and they VOTE!
* have a can-do attitude, they problem solve and they don’t shy away from tough decisions
LET”S BE A RESILIENT PEOPLE AND NOT A SCARED AND WHINING SHEEPLE!

USdoomed…why don’t you call Chaney and see if he’ll invite you to go hunting with him. Damn Republicans screwed this country 6 ways to Sunday and now want to crawl from under the rock and tell us they have a few more ways left to screw us again. The President just needs to read these SOBs the riot act and tell them in no uncertain terms to crawl back under the pile of festering garbage they came from. Last thing this country needs is more of the same BS that got us where we are today…Republican say-so.

Most of this bill is a spending bill not a stimulus bill. Get the spending out of it and when it is just stimulus then get it passed. Bring the spending portions up in their proper place like normal and let each spending provision stand on its own instead of trying to force through items which may be nice to have but will not create jobs which are not dependent upon government funding. Best thing Obama could do is take Pelosi and Reid aside and tell them he will not sign this bill with all of the spending which will not stimulate the economy. A prime example is the funding they want for highways, in 2004 Congress passed a highway spending bill which was through 2010, why are we adding to it now? Didn’t we do enough in 2004? Also a large sum of this money is designed to be handed to the states with specifics as to what it is spent on letting the states use it where they want. A proper bill would state that $X was to be spent on I-95 between milepost Y and milepost Z ensuring that the money went were intended instead of somewhere else. Where do they think that this money is coming from? If they print $1 then it lessens the value of the money we have in our pockets, there is no way that this country can stand a so called stimulus bill which adds this much debt to the country. The real problem is that the folks in congress have their head where its dark and couldn’t pour pi*s out of a boot if the directions were written on the bottom.

chicagobob… keeping with the racist chicago tradition heh… can’t win the arguement call them racist they’ll shut up… its old school and it don’t work… Obama is president he’s open to critisism like every other president

It’s hard to take Republican talk about “pork” very seriously when they had a 12-year greedfest with no-bid contracts to Haliburton & Bechtel, Bridges to Nowhere, Tax Breaks for mulitnational corporations and the wealthiest 1%, and criminal enterprises like Enron and Worldcom invited in by the GOP to help rewrite Energy and Telecommunications policy on Capitol Hill.
Not to mention the trillion-plus dollars that Bush wasted on his uneccessary invasion of Iraq.
The difference between the GOP and the Dems is that the GOP want to send all our money to China, Iraq and the offshore bank accounts of their rich lobbyist friends. The Dems want to invest our money back into our country.
I will never vote for another Republcian hyporcite again for as long as I live.
PS: Lindsey Graham is a blow-dried joke in an empty suit.

Angie: You love to point fingers “the republicans, the republicans, the republicans” and when you say you look forward, wasn’t it a prior post that you stated the Republicans over the past 8 yrs put us here? Do you notice all you are doing is defending yourself?? That should give you a hint. For the sake of all of us, say something of value, PLEASE!!!

cwither07
you are am idiot. This garbage of socialism is old and played out and has no bearing on our problems today. This was just a saying used as a scare tatic by frighten republicans, you want to see socialism head down to cuba or venzuala. We have what 300,000 people in this great country, there is no such thing a small government that is a flawed idea, there is good government and there is bad government. Unfortunatly your side of the aisle has proven that thier way the GOP (grand ole Party, ain’t that a hoot) is an unbalanced way of governing. Look you idiots put George Bush in not once but twice. Granted Kerry would not have been much better but you have no excuse when it comes to Gore. but by voting for bush twice shows your level inteligence. Did you people not listen to any of his speeches or press conferences. Evidently not, so it does not suprise me that you do not know what socialism is.

Such party nonsense – Dems have run congress for over 2 years. Republicans are no better. Collectively these are the idiots that got us here. What bothers me is that now we expect them to fix things. That is kinda like asking the convicted; what do you think the punishment should be?
Cut Taxes now and reduce the size of Government, they are not the solution – they are the problem.

It should be official, the politicans don’t give a damn what we taxpayers want…….they will cater to their base that doesn’t pay taxes and they will pay off their buds with taxpayer funds and they really don’t care. Who voted for these idiots….Pelosi, Franks, Obama? Time for a teaparty.

The opposition to this bill has nothing to do with which side you support. It’s about common sense….this bill is maybe half stimulus half government spending(most of which is very wasteful). We are a country struggling to get the economy back on track and the democratic party is using that as an excuse to spend $$ for the benefit of the government, not the citizens. How can you call it a stimulus bill when a large chunk of it has nothing to do with actually stimulating the economy. Just bc you voted for someone doesn’t mean you should blindly agree with everything they do or say.

There is no pork in this bill as everything in the bill will be passed whether it’s in the stimulus package or in another bill. The problem the Reps are having is that a lot of it isn’t direct stimulus. If it were broken in to two bills, one being nothing but stimulus and the other containing everything else…they would both pass. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson… a Rep said this on Meet the Press this past week. This is nothing more than an argument of semantics. Everything will be passed so pass it already. It’s just the Reps holding it up because they have this naive notion that it has to stay within the boundary of the title “Stimulus Package”. This is yet another example of partisan politics and it’s shameful.

Most citizens are angry about the waste in this bill and it seems the response is to add more rather than cut the fat!

No Leadship from King Nobama. He is letting Pelosi the Retard and Reid the useless run the show. No backbone.
We need to not fund non – profits in the Stimulus package. Take that out and see what is left.

Jake – You’re really bringing Donald Trump into this as an expert? Embarrasing..

Freein…meanwhile the clown that impersonated a President for 8 years got us into a war on bogus reasons and still won’t admit he screwed up and screwed up royally. I will take this “mistake” over the countless mistakes made by that other guy. At least this President’s mistakes did not result in thousands being killed for oil, and corruption in every piece of his administration.

Jake, come to Indiana, I got something for you

Donald Trump? Now that is HILARIOUS

Justanotherpeon said – “I would prefer a balance of power in the House and Senate first (40% Dem, 40% Repub, 20% Inde)…. At no time should one party have complete control over our Government (didn’t work for the Repubs and it’s gonna bite us in the beeeehind now).”
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So you want to mandate Democracy. Yeah that’s American alright. So you have 40% of Dems and Reps and 20% Indy…what if you are full of your quota and someone comes along that deserves to be in Congress but can’t make it in due to the quota. The only way to accomplish this would be to mandate certain congressional districts as a Dem, Rep or Indy district. Therefore no one in those districts would have a voice for change other than the candidate…not the policies. One other way would be to allow everyone to run but a lot of second place finishers to take a seat over the winner just because the quota is full. Please think before you speak.

The republicans never wanted the democrats to succeed. They don’t care about the American people, particularly the poor. So ignore them, vote for the bill.

“He is obviously clueless, ignorant, over his head and extremely egotistical and lazy.”
Nah, but this sounds a lot like somebody else who has recently held the office.
It’s funny that all these Senators are crying about the bill being too big…*until* they find themselves in the room.
All this talk of pork is tickling my bacon jones something fierce.

Jake:
1) Your party and the country wants change and to look into the future, be a part of that and stop looking back.
2)Thousands being killed for oil? Ask someone who served there whether they added to progress or if it was a waste of thier time, they will appreciate your support
3)Corruption: 4 chosen with tax evasion on their records…. who knew??

The need for speed of implementation of stimulus bills by the government will parallel the level of urgency you have whether or not you lost your job. Remember, if your neighbor loses his job; it is a recession, but if you lose your job; it is a depression. If you have a job; the domino effect can be so great and swift that no one should feel secure. This should be an apolitical issue.

gee my candidate won, how come people just don’t follow his crazy idea like sheep. GOP, republican, democrat, liberal, they are all corrupt. don’t defend idiots. Politicans got us in this mess(both parties) so if you voted for BHO, good for you, but he had better do the job or the rest of us have the right to slam him every time we feel like it. Just because you believe in him….doesn’t make him right. I really enjoy seeing all the angry people, it means we may not have to wait 4 years, wait till the US death toll in Afghanstan is higher than Iraq, what then….we squander 920 billion, our economy still fails…who is to blame….the one you voted for…not me.

Freein…if you have more money than Trump, then I will bow to your point. However, I suspect you don’t. Trump whether you like him or not, is a very successful businessman. Nothing succeeds like success. And if a very rich businessman can agree with his approach to this crisis, including limiting CEO pay, then I’ll listen a little more closer to that voice of wisdom than to the background noise of a few knucklehead Republicans who know more about toilet tapping than economics. The only economics they know is how to stuff their pockets and representing the special interest of banks, corporations, and their rich friends. But I guess Trump is not one of their friends since he thought the other President that was there was an idiot.

The provision for $60 billion for electronic medical records must be removed. This hasn’t been thoroughly discussed in terms of medical record hacking, nor would it put sizeable numbers of people back to work immediately. I’d rather see this sizeable amount of money devoted to national health insurance first, anyway. This is an attempt to quickly slip it past the public. Truly, this is a shovel-ready project. Total BS.

Obama has NOT been a leader so far, he is a dictator who is trying to shove this package (which for the most part won’t help, probably will hurt even more!) down our throats. He is trying to change this country, not help it! Sit down and work with everyone Obama, don’t just dictate and say I WIN! Do things for the economy, that is what this is supposed to be, not an attempt to change the country to your liking.

Jake: Please, stop embarrasing yourself, you’re like the next Angie…. where did she go anyway??

This is what happens when you let the blacks run things. Those porch monkeys are incapable of running a complex civilization. That’s why Africa is such a mess. Look at what happened when the whiteman was forced to leave: civil wars, famines, economic collapse, cannibalism, etc. Face it, blacks are just monkeys who can’t run a civilization. Obama is America’s Robert Mugabe and we will all be sorry he bamboozled the guilty white liberals into electing his crypto-Muslim arse. Obama is going to spend the next four years eating watermelon and fried chicken and chasing white women around the Oval Office while the country is run by Jesse Jackson, Marion Barry, and Al Sharpton. That’s what happens when you trust a democrat. We were all better off when those monkeys were still slaves!

Just so people are aware This is a list of what was on the economic stimulus plan as of late January 09: Items in the House bill that have a Republican bull’s-eye on them include:
$335 million for education related to sexually transmitted diseases
$650 million for coupons to help people make the switch to digital TV
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts
$150 million for the Smithsonian Institution
$50 million for the National Cemetery Administration’s monument and memorial repairs
$800 million for Amtrak, the country’s railroad system
$2 billion for child-care subsidies
$400 million for global warming research
$100 million for reducing the danger of lead paint in homes
$2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects
$50 million for NASA facilities that may have been harmed by natural disaster
$200 million for the U.S. Geological Survey to monitor earthquakes and volcanoes
$650 million for the U.S. Forest Service to remove fish passage barriers, forest improvement and watershed enhancement projects
$1.5 million for a National Institute of Health/Institute of Medicine report to Congress
$50.6 million for services for older blind individuals
$400 million for the Social Security Administration’s new National Computer Center
$325 million for Academic Achievement Awards
$70 million for programs to help people quit smoking
$75 million for a super-computer for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
The Senate version of the bill is also expected to boost the cost of the stimulus package to $900 billion and includes a measure that is sure to irk conservative House members. The Senate is poised to attach to the bill a measure that would alter the Alternative Minimum Tax to reduce the tax bills of middle class families.

Silky: “The “Bush haters” know that the Bush Administration sold the invasion to Congress using intelligence that they knew was bs.”
You should write a book about that conspiracy!! You’ll make ten bucks

Silky….i suppose you are one of those who believes he blew up the WTC also right!? lol

“But why legalize/tax it and make a profit when that money could go to drug dealers?”
Honestly, I think this will be seriously considered if we’re not out of this thing in a couple years. Not just for the tax revenue, but there’s a good bit of money that goes out of the country to bring in dirt weed from Mexico and other places.

Freein…my brother in law and my nephew both served 2 tours in Iraq. Both will tell you that the whole war there is a sham. That “local chiefs” are paid quite nicely to “report” on the bad guys. And they do report, on phantom shots from bad guys in the area. Our guys then get sent on patrols, knowing full well that this is a BS story, made up by them to keep the money flowing from us. How’s that for “bringing freedom”. Yes, from the horse’s mouth, not a PR spin by some press secretary talking BS.

hey TEXAS… your an Obama shill… its not gonna work

On top of the tax revenue, I would like to know how much we would save on those in prison because of pot.

Angie, you’re making a fool of yourself and not doing anything to further your point. Do you have a point???

Jake: I’d like to believe you….

hey Jake your brother in laws should see a psychiatrist looks like the psychological warfare has gotten to them

Angie…. They all laughing at you! Sorry honey…

spenditdontlendit- $335 million for education related to sexually transmitted diseases, $70 million for programs to help people quit smoking, and $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts have all been taken out of the Senate version from what I’ve read. I agree a lot of stuff on that list could easily go but check out the price tag on those items you mentioned. The only thing on there over 1B is carbon capture which is extremly important. The rest of the list adds up to like what 4-5 Billion. If thats all the waste in a 900 Billion dollar package this plan is better than I thought

What I find amusing is that unless you make 250k a year or more, and the ONLY concern you have is paying less taxes, you are voting against your own best interest if you vote republican. Most people don’t even realize that…
Social issues aren’t going to change except more to the left as society becomes better educated. So that’s not a reason to vote Rep. Fiscal conservatism is proven not to work. Hence this HUGE recession and the moderate one following the 12 years of Reagan/Bush. Trickledown economics sounds great except that the wealthy tend to hold on to profits rather than let it slip down to the next tier of employees. This is human nature. What’s mine is mine…now go get your own. Which brings me to my third point. That’s not a very Christian philosophy. So why would the evangelicals want to be associated with that political profile? It’s hypocritical.

T- That was not me that wrote that garbage. phillysmart exposed the culprit.

When all else fails, use the race card.
Liberal playbook, page 1, paragraph 1, sentence 1.

I hope the dems vote this in by themselves so they can take full credit for this bill when we all have gardens in our back yards. Why don’t they just pass it? they have the majority needed.

Take all non-profit funding out of the bill. No special interests. I could live with the remainder.

Jake – Go stimulate yourself.

jake: resort to name calling and stereo typing is page 2 of the liberal playbook

Can we all stop referring to this as a “stimulus” bill.

thom thumper… GW must of been one persusive son of a b**** I meen he convinced congress how bad it was he must be much better than Obama than because he can’t even convince a democrat controlled congress to pass the stimulus bill … if thats what you want to call it…. Looks like Angie went off the deep end true feelings coming out?

freein…my brother in law has a lot more courage and balls than you have in your whole life and existence. Served in Viet Nam, spent 6 months in a hospital in Japan from a gunfire. Prior to retiring, he did two tours in Iraq, and got hurt there too. But you would know that from milking cows on your farm or making cheese. Yeah, he may have some TPSS, but he’ll still kick your ass with one hand tied behind his back while drinking coffee and not spilling a drop.

Tom – easy with the condescending attitude, it illustrates lack of class. I am not a “PAL” I am a 34 year old female.

4:04 post was not mine… the Obama stepchildren are at it again causing trouble

Is anyone else getting sick of the word…Notion….?

Freein NH – Damn straight it matters. Or are “accountability” and “responsibility” just buzzwords that Bush liked to use against teachers?
See that’s what you Republicans have never understood – until you take some real responsibility for your mistakes and the problems you’ve caused, NOBODY is going to take a goddamn think you do or say seriously ever again.
If you want to be a credible party, with real ideas, you need to take some real responsiblity for your many failures to do the right thing during the Bush era.
Until you do that, you will continue to be despised by decent Americans.

Tom- so you’re saying there was no progress or success there? Let’s get down to making a POINT….something constructive…maybe?

TEXAS- I did look at McCain’s bill and it’s garbage. 70% of his bill is tax cuts. Great job creation. Great investment in efficinet, clean enegy. Great investment in education. Tax cuts didn’t work the first time so lets make 70% of the package tax cuts. Do we really want economic advise from the canidate who admitted he didn’t know a lot about the economy? Only in Texas

This is ridiculous, if this is such a good bill then pass it democrats. Remember, you’ve got the majority, you don’t need the republicans. Pass it, then take responsibility for it. Tell us why you’re waiting so long. Obama said this morning that if we don’t pass this bill now America may never recover. Hurry up then!

I would also like to warn my fellow Democrats about the disasterous legacy of FDR, Harry Truman, Kennedy, LBJ, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.
The only real Democrats that I can endorse are Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater.
Honestly, I think that Democracy itself is a bad idea and that America should be ruled by a rightwing miltary strongman.
This is why I urge my fellow Democrats not to support Obama and to join an anti-government militia to train for the upcoming racial holy war before it’s too late.
This is what we REAL Democrats believe.

McCains bill does not serve the special interests nor does it have pork. It get’s to the point.
Nobama is not leading and he is trying to payback his “benefactors” in one swoop. His is not a Stimulus Bill it is a Spending and favor bill.

King Nobama is a filthy black ape who wants to rape white women and destroy the noble white race. Blacks are filthy, sex-depraved beasts who only care about rape, malt liquor, basketball and jungle music. The white man created civilization, and now these homosexual democrats want to destroy our civilization by handing over the reins to a jungle bunny. But Texas will resist!

Is it Jake or Angie that is the closet racist impersonating me?

Texas…he served in the 82nd Airborne in Nam, volunteering when he was 19, stayed in the reserves, and went to Iraq as a Master Sergeant where he did two tours there. Yes, he’s no young man, but even in his 50s and injuries from Nam, he was in better physical shape than guys in their 20s. He did alot of “safe” stuff in Iraq…like escorting tankers and supply lines from Basra to Bagdad and other “nice” places and roadways with IEDs. Yeah, he sure had a picnic there, with the injuries to prove it.

Racism is intolerable…. Is there anyone who wants to have a constructive debate about the topic? The stimulus package?

Freein NH – I am not writing the racist stuff. It is an impersonator. Liberals

****Jane writes:
(a quote from Sen McConnell, I think, a Republican lawmaker for sure…)
“HOW MUCH IS A TRILLION?
The day that Jesus was born If we spent 1 million dollars a day, it would still not reach ONE TRILLION DOLLARS!”****
Being that One Trillion dollars does equal One Trillion “units” and counting days from the supposed day of Christ’s birth — the math does work.
The flawed logic is in the distorted reality of the value.
The value of the money in this bill would have been less by [maybe -- I used a 50 cent bread cost compared to a three dollar cost today... not accurate, only an example] 0.016% if we had been doing this in 1950.
Now that was only 59 years ago. What would our dollar “unit” have been worth over 2000 years ago? At that value, this money could feasibly fit… it’d come a lot closer, for sure.
My point is this kind of hyperbole only serves to work people into an emotional rather than rational view of the matter at hand.
We need rational right now.

sorry,
re: my last post
My mistake …writing the figures…
50 cents would be .16% — 5 cents would be .016. Five cents is probably more accurate for the cost of bread at the time.

looks like the idiot devoid of ideas is posting under other peoples names some hatred and racist comment… sounds like an Obama shill …probably african american

These liberal jungle bunny loving jews are impersonating me and making me sound more racist than I actually am. Sure I hate blacks – but it’s not like I advocate lynching or dragging them behind my truck. I just like to burn a cross or two on their lawns and throw bricks at their nappy headed kids on the way to school.

Grow up impersonator.

Burn a cross on my lawn and I’m not black, but it will be the last cross you’ll burn, matter of fact the next cross you may see will be hanging from a guy’s neck while he gives you the last rites.

McCain’s tax cut will mean Cindy will have 170K to buy another outfit. That’s his kind of tax cut for America, his kind of America.

Want to learn the truth about our monetary system? How it really works!
Go to wealthmoney.org. Your life will never be the same. You will look at your future and your banker in a totally different way.
Texas. I like that you want to debate about the “Plan” I don’t have time now but if you want to learn more about our money got to my website and find Byron’s phone number and call him. The movement is happening people jump on board now! Make a difference! People are wakeing up and finding out the truth about their money. Go to the website and get an eyeful!

“uneducated liberals”
Yeah, it’s the liberals who are uneducated.
So, can I assume that those of you who commented on my bogus intel post aren’t familiar with Curveball?

vader – agreed. There’s just no talking to liberals anymore. There’s going to be a civil war in this country and it’s going to be up to us real Americans to take the country back by force from these liberal wackjobs. Remember the oath – “all enemies forigen AND domestic.”
That’s why I keep my Chichom SKS oiled and ready by my bed.

Dang, I knew I shouldn’t have moved from San Antonio. That curveball thingy, is that hosted by that guy that felt that tingle up his leg when Obama spoke?

Stop making fun of me with such trenchant rephrasings of my posts – I don’t like it when other people reveal my own racism to me. It’s not fair!

And in case you can’t connect the dots, Curveball was so named because his “intel” was always bs. You can’t make this stuff up.

Tom – Deal with it? I am… maybe you should get your peacepipe, go march in an anti-war anti-troops parade and live in your idealistic world, YOU are truly un-american.

Barack my man. Don’t screw this up. You are listining to the wicked withc of teh west (Pelosi) and the dark side (dinghy Harry Ried). Don’t get sucked in! Here’s what you do;
cut payroll taxes for EVERYONE
AND
RIGHT NOW send every taxpayer that makes under $250K a $2500 pre-paid visa card (like the ones the Katrina “victoms” used to buy booze and porn). Make it expire in 2 months (no enxtensions like the stupid digital thing)
That money will start rattling around the economy right away, will cost but a fraction of the Pelosi/Ried Porkulus Package, and will not waste anywhere near as much money as teh federal goverment (even if it’s all spent on booze and porn)
Then kick Pelosi out on her saggy butt.

Freein NH – nice meltdown, dude, but calling me names is no substitute for a rational argument. You lose.
PS: I served my country in Somalia and the first Gulf War. Deal with it, son.

Tom- I’m sure you’re full of you know what and I am not a “son”…… sweet dreams! :)

Ah, the preschoolers are home and posting as impersonators.

“Silky – You’re irrelevant”
Perhaps, but at least I’m not a fool.

Silky, I apologize, everyone has a right to their opinion and nobody is irrelevant.

I’m betting that 98% of us have ONE THING in common: We all want the Government to STOP STEALING OUR HARD-EARNED MONEY!!! If that’s you…then stop screaming about the other party… and send your senator a note demanding that they deliver a reasonable STIMULUS package that does NOT WASTE our tax dollars!
Senate.gov << (contains phone numbers and emails for all Senators)
Whitehouse.gov/administration/eop/opl << (Liaison's Office to the White House)

What a miserable president we have! My gosh, he gave the job of writing the stimulus bill to friggin Nancy Pelosi! Obama is a total failure!

Wake up people. The only chance to get the economy out of this mess is get the stimulus package approved now. If the goverment don’t do anything the country will go into deep recession or bankruptcy. I believe we need a lot more than $920 billions to have a shot at it. Don’t listen to the REPUBLICAN “tax cut alone will solve the problem”. The Republican is still trying to fool this country because they know that a lot of people are simply idiots.

As a southern democrat here is a list of that the idiots in D.C. should get some kind of organize order to tackle problem because they cant chew and walk at the same time
1.Defense spending
2.Banking Industry
3.Homland security
4.Veterans affairs, (could be #1 depending when troops come home)
5.Education spending (this was my original #1 but we wasted to much time on the bank bailout)
6.Energy
7.Taxes, because if we do this wrong then taxes will go up to pay for the mistakes
8 Now we can do a stimulus packages because priorities and olingations have been meet.
9.Entitlements we can keep putting this off

Unfortunately this crisis has come about mostly through an overdependence on rampant consumerism – and in order to get out of recession, we need people to spend like crazy. It’s a broken economy in which the cause and the cure are the same thing. It might be best not to have a stimulus package at all and let our economy settle out in a more sustainable format. Even if the growing pains seem insurmountable right now, we will come through this.

Regretfully, the explanation is more often than not something that is so basic it would simply require a brief moment of time to get into place, but is generally left out.