The Note, 2/19/09: Long Way from Ohio — Canada-Bound Prez Softens NAFTA Stance
By TEDDY DAVIS Barack Obama heads to Canada today on his first foreign trip as president. But "the hammer" he promised to wield on NAFTA negotiations has been left in Ohio. Obama would still prefer to move labor and environmental standards from "side agreements" to the core of US trade pacts. He is no longer, however, holding open the threat of withdrawing the United States from NAFTA in order to get his way. During a Cleveland, Ohio, debate moderated last year by the late Tim Russert, Obama joined Hillary Clinton in threatening to withdraw the US from NAFTA in order to bring pressure to bear on the Canadians and Mexicans. “I think we should use the hammer of a potential opt-out as leverage to ensure that we actually get labor and environmental standards that are enforced,” said Obama. “And that is not what has been happening so far.” But now that he doesn’t have to worry about primary votes in Ohio, Obama has developed new "sensitivities" for Canada, America’s No. 1 trading partner. "I think there are a lot of sensitivities right now because of the huge decline in world trade,” Obama told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. earlier this week. Obama’s softening on NAFTA is already being criticized by populist blogger David Sirota. The author of "The Uprising" charges that Obama is “starting to prioritize the Washington status quo over real change.” But despite Sirota’s misgivings, the president is expected to get a pass on NAFTA from his supporters for three reasons: (1) his labor backers have other fish to fry, (2) the president has not undergone a total reversal (as noted above, he still wants tougher standards, he’s just not threatening withdrawal from an existing trade pact to get his way), and, last but not least, (3) Austan Goolsbee prepared folks for the eventual shift by talking out of school last year. Relive Obama’s 2008 populist high-water mark HERE. Relive Goolsbee’s kerfuffle HERE and HERE. Read today’s New York Times story on Obama de-emphasizing NAFTA HERE. Read the Washington Post’s story on Obama’s plans to finesse the “Buy American” provision in the stimulus legislation HERE. Morning TV: ‘Is It Fair to Everyone? Perhaps Not. But We’re Beyond That’
FDIC chair Sheila Bair appeared Thursday morning on ABC’s “Good Morning America” to defend Obama’s mortgage relief plan. “Is it fair to everyone? Perhaps not. But we’re beyond that,” Bair told ABC’s Diane Sawyer. “There are moral hazard issues everywhere,” she added. “We have to stop the reinforcing cycle.” The Bush appointee who has won praise from Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., for her work on the housing crisis, predicted that the U.S. would see an “immediate impact” on loan modifications in March. “Circle the date,” said ABC’s Diane Sawyer on “Good Morning America,” “March 4th is the date you will hear details.” This is how HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan answered the fairness question on NBC’s “Today”: "There are those who can’t be helped or shouldn’t be helped. Investor-owners won’t be eligible. Those who have gone way beyond their means in terms of being so far under water that they can’t be successful in the house. We’re going to help transition them to rental housing or something else. There are clearly a number of homeowners around the country who shouldn’t benefit and won’t benefit from this plan." Obama’s Mortgage Relief Plan: ‘Underwater but Ineligible’?:
I’m still waiting for my guy at Chase to weigh in on whether the president’s plan can help me unload my condo. But the Wall Street Journal reports that “underwater but ineligible” Americans are “riled up” about the president’s plan. The Washington Post writes that the mortgage plan “goes beyond what some analysts had expected” while noting that it drew criticism from some housing experts and consumer advocates who argued that it does not go far enough. Joe Pounder-style, here are the principal concerns with Obama’s plan as laid out by the Post: (1) it does not include a plan for dealing with second mortgages, (2) the program would be voluntary for many lenders, (3) the plan does not require lenders to lower the principal owed by homeowners, (4) the plan ignores the fact that investors accounted for as much as 40 percent of home sales during the peak of the housing bubble, (5) and homeowners would not be eligible to refinance under the program if their mortgage exceeds 105 percent of the current value of their property. The local coverage is decidedly more positive. The Arizona Republic writes that Obama’s Tuesday visit to the state “electrified locals” and his proposal is described as delivering “hope” to “millions of uneasy homeowners.” 2010: Senate: Roland Burris:
Sen. Roland Burris (D-Blagojevich) came under new scrutiny late Wednesday from White House press secretary Robert Gibbs and fellow Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin. Gibbs told reporters that Burris should clarify any contact he has had with Blagojevich or his associates. “I think in many ways he was seated based on those representations,” said Gibbs, “and I think that the people of Illinois deserve to know . . . the full extent of any involvement.” Durbin said that Burris’ failure to fully disclose his ties to Blagojevich has put his future in the Senate “in question.” ABC’s Z. Byron Wolf notes that Durbin issued his statement while on a CoDel to Greece, Turkey, and Cyprus with Illinois state Treasurer Alexi Giannoulias, a potential 2010 Democratic primary rival to Burris. The Los Angeles Times gauges how likely it is that the Senate would oust Burris. (Answer: Don’t bet on it any time soon). Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn on Wednesday installed as his chief operating officer an appointee of ousted predecessor Rod Blagojevich who also has close ties to convicted fundraiser Tony Rezko, reports the Chicago Tribune. Burris had more pre-appointment contacts with Blagojevich’s chief of staff than disclosed in his most recent affidavit, reports the Chicago Sun-Times. Eric Holder:
The Attorney General grabbed headlines on Wednesday when he marked African-American history month by saying that the United States is a nation of "cowards" when it comes to race. National Review’s Jonah Goldberg quickly took to “The Corner” and blasted the remarks as “hackneyed and reprehensible.” Sebelius to HHS? Reid Cherlin’s in-box filled up late Thursday when the New York Times posted a story saying that Obama had settled on Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius as his choice for HHS secretary. As Jake Tapper reported on Feb. 8, Sebelius is a “leading contender” to become Obama’s nominee for HHS secretary. But the president has not made a final decision and no announcement is expected this week. If Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D) were to leave her post to become secretary of Health and Human Services, Lt. Gov. Mark Parkinson (D) would replace her as governor and appoint someone to become the state’s new lieutenant governor. Parkinson is a former chairman of the Kansas GOP who switched parties and became a Democrat in order to run with Sebelius when she sought re-election in 2006. Sebelius is barred from seeking a third term as governor in 2010 due to the state’s term limits law. Gov. Sebelius had been eyeing a run for the US Senate in 2010 to replace the retiring Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS). She was basically the only hope Democrats had for picking up that seat. If Sebelius does indeed head to HHS, Democrats will likely no longer be looking to the open seat in Kansas as potential fertile ground in 2010. Gov. Sebelius will be in Washington, DC beginning Saturday for the National Governors Association annual winter meeting. Clintons of Chappaqua:
Hillary Clinton confirmed Thursday that she will attend an international conference next month in Egypt to help rebuild Gaza after the Hamas-Israel war. 2009: Bloomberg’s Soft Launch:
Mike Bloomberg quietly launched his bid for re-election yesterday with an e-mail to supporters from campaign manager Bradley Tusk which touts the billionaire mayor as “independent, honest, effective.” The New York Times reports this morning that Bloomberg is now wooing political parties after having previously dismissed them as a “swamp of dysfunction.” 2010: Senate: Missouri:
Two of the biggest names in Missouri politics are headed for a potential showdown in the Show Me State. Rep. Roy Blunt, the former House Minority Whip, is planning to announce his bid for United States Senate today at 10:30 am ET. The top candidate on the Democratic side is Secretary of State Robin Carnahan. They are running for the seat being vacated by retiring Sen. Kit Bond (R). National Journal has MORE. 2012: Republicans: Sarah Palin:
“Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on Wednesday announced spending cuts of $445 million in next year’s proposed budget to cope with reduced revenues from continued low oil prices,” reports the AP. California On The Brink:
From the Los Angeles Times: “Aiming to end a three-month impasse, the California Senate prepared to vote early this morning on a deal Democrats and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger reached with a GOP holdout to resolve the state’s fiscal emergency.” “Under the deal, Sen. Abel Maldonado of Santa Maria agreed to provide the final Republican vote needed to pass a spending plan with billions of dollars in tax hikes. In exchange, Democrats would rewrite election rules that Maldonado says are stacked against moderates like himself.” “But even as legislative officials raced to put together the details, it was not assured that the deal would win over enough Democrats to get through the state Assembly.”‘ VPOTUS:
Vice President Joe Biden is slated to perform the ceremonial swearing in of Feinstein friend Leon Panetta as CIA director Thursday afternoon. In the evening, Biden is holding a dinner at his the VP’s residence for six foreign policy experts: Amb. Richard Holbrooke, NSC’s Bruce Riedel, the New America Foundation’s Steve Coll, RAND’s Jim Dobbins, NYU’s Barnett Rubin, and Petraeus adviser David Kilcullen. FLOTUS:
Michelle Obama continues her tour of federal departments on Thursday with a stop at the US Department of Agriculture. She will be joined by Tom "The Courage to Create Change" Vilsack, her husband’s one-time rival and former governor of Iowa who now heads USDA. HUD:
HUD Secretary Shaun Donovan is holding a 2:00 pm ET teleconference to make a major homeless funding announcement. Fiscal Responsibility Summit: Liberal Prebuttal:
In advance of Monday’s fiscal responsibility summit, the liberal Campaign for America’s Future (CAF) is holding a 2:30 pm ET conference call with reporters to encourage Obama not to restrain spending on entitlement programs. The media advisory announcing the call singles out former Nixon Commerce Secretary Pete Peterson, a summit participant, as a "billionaire Wall Street baron" and "budget hawk elite" that Obama should ignore. A Peterson spokesperson responded to CAF by telling ABC News that Peterson’s foundation is non-partisan and is headed by former U.S. Comptroller General David Walker, a Clinton appointee. CAF wrote in an email to reporters that Peterson is "rumored to be the lead speaker at the summit." Although Peterson is planning to attend, his spokesperson says he is just one of several participants in the summit which includes House members, senators, and outside experts. Valenti:
The sexuality of the late Jack Valenti was a topic for the FBI, reports the Washington Post’s Joe Stephens. The Kicker:
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Posted by: CW | February 19, 2009, 9:06 am 9:06 am
What kind of article is this??? Obama is once again not doing what he said he was going to do with Nafta and ABC starts to report it then they throw in the kitchen sink???? Lousy journalism.
Posted by: billy bob | February 19, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am
Ah! Now that the campaign rhetoric is over, it’s back to reality and political leadership with our allies.
Posted by: LongT | February 19, 2009, 9:16 am 9:16 am
CW, yeah! Into the ground.
Posted by: LongT | February 19, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Obama campaign promise #7 broken. Can’t wait for all the Mexican truck drivers start driving in other states besides Texas. In the NAFTA agreement, the Mexican trucks are not required to the same safety standards as American truck drivers. Better learn to speak spanish and if you are involve in a car wreck….these truckers will be exempt from any lawsuits. You can’t sue in international courts especially against Mexico.
Posted by: kudo123 | February 19, 2009, 9:26 am 9:26 am
Another day, another flip-flop from O’bomb’a, he makes Al Gore look like he has a backbone or something. Jeez, fool me once, fool me twice, when do Obama supporters realize they are suffering from “battered wife syndrome”? Oh well after four years of abuse, maybe they will get the hint?
Posted by: hmn... | February 19, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Yep…all that rosy campaign talk, and now he sees the reality of the office. At the end of four years his groupies will likely be disappointed with him.
Posted by: IyamwhoIsayIyam | February 19, 2009, 9:29 am 9:29 am
What’s that smell?
Posted by: Gotterdammerung | February 19, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am
This shouldn’t surprise anyone…don’t forget that while he was campaigning in Ohio saying one thing, he had people in Canada giving them the wink and nod.
Posted by: Watching_In_Amazement | February 19, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am
He did promise redistribution of wealth. Don’t know where it will end up but it’s surely being redistributed, and at a record pace. Maybe he just meant it would leave the national treasury.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 19, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am
NOTHING EVER CHANGES SAME OL SAME OL
Posted by: natale from mass. | February 19, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am
I do like the idea of making our international diplomacy efforts all about trade and nothing about war. Like Dr. Paul says, let them have their border disputes, let them have their civil wars, let them have their revolutions, we did it without interference. What gives us the right to interfere with the activities of other governments? Our interest should be limited to trade as long as the other countries are militarily non- aggressive toward us. Then we must kick booty.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 19, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Record spending, more troops being deployed to the Middle East, and saying one thing then doing something completely different. It doesn’t look like we are in for much of a change over the next four years.
Posted by: Hondo | February 19, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am
While the US clings to this stupid concept of “Free Trade”, we will continue to bleed wealth to the rest of the world. “Free Trade” has cost the US billions in dollars, jobs, industry, manufacturing and technology over the years, and continues to do so. Without industry/manufacturing/technology where is the supposed turn-around of the economy supposed to come from. The US is so set on “leading” the world, that it doesn’t realize that the world is bleeding us dry, and will turn it’s back on us the moment it can no longer get anything more out of us, which is rapidly approaching.
Posted by: Dan Driver | February 19, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am
The US is no longer the “leading” country of the world… It’s China now!!! Thanks to your “friendly” politicans “looking out for YOU”, or more accurately, the bottom line at Wal-Mart!
Posted by: hmn... | February 19, 2009, 10:22 am 10:22 am
There is no way Obama can repeat any of the heated rhetoric he used against NAFTA and free trade in general in his visit to Canada today.
The question then becomes how much heat the POTUS takes for completing such a blatant flip-flop.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
Posted by: matt | February 19, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am
NAFTA certainly has worked well for American. Thank you American Politicians.
Posted by: Frustrated | February 19, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am
I don’t think that with or without NAFTA
would necessarily hurt/help Canada or Mexico. NAFTA was about EU coming together not about free trade for the US.
The US has lost millions of jobs because NAFTA and cheap labor.
The NAFTA agree should be reviewed and modified or change.
Posted by: Lookup | February 19, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am
I don’t think that with or without NAFTA
would necessarily hurt/help Canada or Mexico. NAFTA was about EU coming together not about free trade for the US.
The US has lost millions of jobs because NAFTA and cheap labor.
The NAFTA agree should be reviewed and modified or changed.
Posted by: Lookup | February 19, 2009, 11:01 am 11:01 am
It’s simple, Barack Obama is not a leader.
Posted by: Angelo | February 19, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am
I don’t think that with or without NAFTA
would necessarily hurt/help Canada or Mexico. NAFTA was about EU coming together not about free trade for the US.
The US has lost millions of jobs because NAFTA and cheap labor.
The NAFTA agreement should be reviewed and modified or changed
We need to give Obama the same respect that other President received.
Obama has only been in that office for about four weeks.
Posted by: Lookup | February 19, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am
I don’t think that with or without NAFTA
would necessarily hurt/help Canada or Mexico. NAFTA was about EU coming together not about free trade for the US.
The US has lost millions of jobs because NAFTA and cheap labor.
The NAFTA agreement should be reviewed and modified or changed
We need to give Obama the same respect that other Presidents received.
Obama has only been in that office for about four weeks.
Posted by: Lookup | February 19, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am
what a bum get rid of this guy i wonder when the media is gonna wash the egg off their face for getting him elected
Posted by: david reyes | February 19, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Obama has shown me that even the most sincere appearing politicians lie. But deep down I always knew this.
Posted by: LongT | February 19, 2009, 11:43 am 11:43 am
We as Americans are always divided. President Obama is d@#* if he tries to help us and d@#$ if he don’t. We are not giving him nor his efforts a chance. All we do is complaint, complaint and complaint…I voted for him and as of today I still feel good about him, his team and what he is trying to do for ALL AMERICANS…..
Posted by: della1 | February 19, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Just remember America, Canada supplies 20% of your OIL and a great deal of your Electrical Power and soon a Pipe Line to supply Natural Gas.
Posted by: Canada | February 19, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am
NOBODY WANTS TO ADMIT THE SERIOUS DANGERS THAT nafta REPRESENTS. KEEP IN MIND VICE-PRES JOE BIDEN VOTED FOR NAFTA , JUST LIKE JOHN-KERRY, AND JOE-LIBERMAN. DEMOCRATIC TRAITORS GOING FOR THE MONEY.
NAFTA ARTICLE #10,#11, #12 SHOULD SHOCK THE HELL OF THE LIBERAL MEDIA. DO YOU KNOW THAT ALL LAWS THAT INTERFER WITH TRADE OF LEGAL GOOD ARE “CONSIDERED A
PREDITORY TRADE PRACTICE” WHICH THE INJURED PARTY ARE ALLOWED EQUAL COMPENSATION BY THE TRADE TRIBUNAL THAT NAFTA FORMED.
THIS INCLUDES FEDERAL, STATE , AND CITY LAWS.
Posted by: WILLIAM | February 19, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Hey geniuses, you do realize the commentator quoted as criticizing Obama, David Sirota, is a progressive, far left, liberal columnist?
Obama is ticking off the liberals and you are beating him up for it – I love it. Glad to have you on the leftwing side.
Posted by: Amy | February 19, 2009, 11:54 am 11:54 am
OOH! You mentioned sirota, he’s gonna be so excited!!
BO will be as consistent on NAFTA as ever, of that I have no doubt. It is STILL “campaign rhetoric” on the never ending campaign…
Posted by: emmbee | February 19, 2009, 11:54 am 11:54 am
NAFTA, Canada, Mexico – would this have anything to do with the developement of the new North American Union, similar to the European Union, where the borders of Canada and Mexico will basicaly be disolved?
Posted by: keredte | February 19, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Let’s see… NAFTA, the wars, “transparency” and “bipartisanship”, tax cuts,… Are there any other broken Obama campaign promises that I forgot to list? I certainly am glad Obama didn’t forget spending!
Posted by: Mihann | February 19, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
There are borders between the US, Canada and Mexico? Really?
Posted by: Dan Driver | February 19, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Wait a minute. Aren’t these reporters being racist?? How dare them to imply Obama lied during the campaign.
Posted by: Dandydon | February 19, 2009, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
At least he doesn’t have to send secret messages to Canada anymore about his real position on Nafta. Please Canada keep the lying bozo for awhile, we all need a break from him.
Posted by: Michelle | February 19, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
I read where the price of crude oil shot up on a report from the US that crude oil stockpiles had shrank. I wonder if it’s from all this traveling Obummer is doing?
Posted by: Lee | February 19, 2009, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
This site reflects more racism than the KKK! The constant name calling, the obvious double standards that weren’t applied to prior Presidents and calling anything a lie that doesn’t confirm the negative predictions of Obama’s critics. The list goes on; guilt by association even if based on twenty year old sound bites or loose affiliations: Michelle said she’s proud of the USA for the first time in her adult life and Hannity told you that that mean she hates America. You ignored what she said and accepted what someone else’s slanted, dishonest interpretation; all because you want to hate BO and the reality of a black POTUS. Here’s a news flash for all of you: None of your cloaked, politically correct racist based negativity is deceiving anyone. We went to war based on a big lie about weapons that didn’t exist and you have the nerve to say that BO is a liar. What then, was GWB and why are you so willing to discount and ignore that. Maybe you have a convenient case of amnesia. Anyway, very little of your naysaying makes sense to anyone except others who think that Limbaugh & Hannity are journalist. Actually, they are expert at slander and libel. When we begin to enforce the related laws, we won’t need the Fairness Doctrine that Hannity is trying so hard to brain wash you about now.
Posted by: Mike from Carolina | February 19, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Lee; Dude don’t you know the plan? the government will set a minimum price of about $4/gal on gas and the public will then have incentive to buy some ridiculously priced Detroit trash hybrid car. What a deal. The taxpayers get to feed the Big 3 so they can turn around and bite us. Then somehow the leftists will find a way to praise our president. Only in America.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 19, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Today’s “Cast Of Characters”; a real embarrassment to ABC News. The Quality of Discourse…….”Sorely Lacking!” Sorry Gang.
Posted by: bobj72 | February 19, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Mike from Carolina; You are about the biased individual I’ve ever heard criticize others for their bias. Michelle said what she said and meant what she said. Her remark was unmistakeably both racial and anti-American in nature. Nobody made her say it. On the other hand your Michael Moore is as good as any to take credit for the 9/11 conspiracy theory as well as the WMD controversy. The right wing talking heads are no worse than the left wing talking heads. Every leading Democratic Party leader stood up and advocated the invasion of Iraq. There was no conspiracy, just bad intelligence info. When will you realize the other posters on here need someone to blame for their pain just as you do. Imagine all the people living in harmony…sharing one world…no possessions…that and ten dollars will get you in the movies. Oops, no possessions…no movie admission. I knew there was a flaw.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 19, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Lemme see if I GET THIS RIGHT?
if you’re NOT American, you can be negotiated with in BAD FAITH, sued by American companies into compliance… & generally forced to allow your local economies to go to hell…
& don’t forget the ‘social compliance’ of the Drug War.
hum.
so if you bend over for all these abuses & suddenly the US CHANGES ITS MIND AGAIN about international trade agreements, you’re screwed.
I GUESS CANADA HAS A LOT MORE IN COMMON WITH Africa, India & LATIN AMERICA when it comes to dealing with BALKANIZATION, CIA & general ‘be glad we don’t just aerially bomb you outright’ treatment by the USA.
Interestingly, the US has suddenly decided the DRONE PATROLS of they use so lovingly in PAKISTAN are suitable for patrolling the US/Canada border.
Breaking the Treaty of Ghent with live rounds by the Coast Guard wasn’t good enough for you?
OH wait!
I forgot, travel in or OVER the good ol’ USA & you CAN HAVE YOUR ELECTRONIC INFORMATION CLONED.
gee, should I worry about BEING RENDERED? or maybe SIMPLY BEING DRUGGED & THROWN OUT OF THE COUNTRY… check the Washington Post & the ACLU’s complaints about the American fascist behaviour with EVEN THEIR BEST TRADING PARTNERS.
Personally? I think leaving the US to freaking sit without TarSands oil or Labrador hydro for a few months will teach them to respect the agreements they make & bullyishly enforce upon others…
& maybe they’ll respect the sovereign rights & UN-signed DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS that they so wantonly flout.
for shame, Amerika. you’re no friend of any nation, only yourselves.
Posted by: BlueBerry Pick'n | February 19, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Bobj72; So glad you could drop by and look down your nose a bit. In defense of your observation it is a very slow day. Could you please share some of your insightful brilliance to elevate the level of discourse. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 19, 2009, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Bitch Bitch………..Bitch..Where were you people for the last eight years?????You so called conservatives that got us into a Cheney, big , war.Coservatism that ran up a 13 trillion dollar debt. Now you bitch????
Posted by: BSKI | February 19, 2009, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
BlueBerry Pick’n; For a moment I though you had almost expressed a complete and rational thought, but upon re-examination I must admit I was wrong. What the heck are you talking about?
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 19, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
I for one believe the President has alot on his plate, and is well up on the underlying funk that has gone on in this country…He is not missing the mark…but the People are…President Obam has good intent…and knows when to use his heaven sense…Tread lightly the mouths of spite…It is a good thing we give Canada rights…You wanted Mexico..you got Mexico and all the infiltrations of illegals to boot…Close your mouth and pay attention…Some of you are not worth mention…USA is about more than suking up to the Good Ole Boys of yesteredays history…Apachecheynne
Posted by: Apachecheynne | February 19, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
BSKI–”You so called conservatives that got us into a Cheney, big , war.Coservatism that ran up a 13 trillion dollar debt. Now you bitch????”– first we bitch because debt that serves no purpose is bad debt second.. You really need to be a bit more factual if you want anyone to listen to waht you say.. “Cheney’s War” was initially supported by almost everyone including prominent democrats such as hillary, john kerry, and al gore.. Second, Bush added 4.5 trillion to the national debt.. where in the world did you get thirteen? the toatl is only 9.6 which ioncludes the debt compiled by Carter (.5m trillion), Reagan (1.4 trillion), Bush 1 (1.5 trillion) , Clinton (2.2 trillion), and Bush 2 (4.5 trillion)…
by the way, Obama has added another 2 trillion in only 2 months…
Posted by: arkie vet | February 19, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
mmonroe– when you figure out what blue berry is taliing about clue me in.. better yet don’t i sort of dismissed the whole thing once the washington Post and the ACLU were cited as an information source.. WOW…
Posted by: arkie vet | February 19, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
I thought Canada was the 58th state.
Posted by: boulderhippy2 | February 19, 2009, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
hey, BSKI & ARKIE Vet
if you haven’t done your homework, maybe you should leave the opinions to those who have?
democracy requires effort & research…
funny that you should know so little about the lack of freedoms experienced by the citizens of your nation, & the injustices put upon sovereign peoples….
simply because you can’t do your homework.
I suggest reading The Nation, or some Amy Goodman.
you *do* know what a military-industrial complex might be? or how invested ABC, FOX & MSNBC are into militarizing your nation?
if you don’t have a clue, maybe its because you get all your information from THEM, & not the people who don’t always agree with ‘bomb them into loving our freedoms’…
**all of the comments I’ve made have been highly researched, by excellent journalists of high reputation**
if you haven’t read or seen any of it, don’t blame me.
Posted by: BlueBerry Pick'n | February 19, 2009, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
okay blueberry — lets look at some of your facts..”the US has suddenly decided the DRONE PATROLS of they use so lovingly in PAKISTAN are suitable for patrolling the US/Canada border.” Drone patrols whether for border security or for military mission are far superior to actually using humans who in some circumstances might be endangered by the job. so i don’t really see a problem with using good ole US ingenuity for self preservation, but i guess you do..” travel in or OVER the good ol’ USA & you CAN HAVE YOUR ELECTRONIC INFORMATION CLONED.”- not sure what you are talking about on this one.. but please.. expand on it if you would…”gee, should I worry about BEING RENDERED? or maybe SIMPLY BEING DRUGGED & THROWN OUT OF THE COUNTRY… check the Washington Post & the ACLU’s complaints about the American fascist behaviour with EVEN THEIR BEST TRADING PARTNERS”– I don’t know are you a foriegn national with ties to terrorists that would cause your home country to WANT us to “render” you over to them? Last time i checked subversive or terroristic behavior was not excused simply becasue your home country was a “trading partner” with us.. and every one know that the Washington Post is above reproach on their reporting.. and the ACLU was acting in our best interest when they attempted to give non citizens ( and suspected enemy combatants) the same rights as a US citizen in our courts..
You can say what you want about your research.. but the bottom line is that most on here know exactly where you are coming from..
Posted by: arkie vet | February 19, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
BlueberryPick’n; You seen the UN concentration camps over yonder in Tennessee? Yep! I’m a tellin’ ya. They got ‘em all set up. They’s big concrete buildin’s with UN wrote on ‘em. They gonna make everbody get a number tatooed on ‘em or else they gotta go to the UN camps. All the US ‘cept certain areas will be goverment property. I ain’t lyin’. Seen it with my own eyes.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 19, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
and by they way blueberry.. yes i do know what a military industrial complex is and i am aware that our constitution requires that this country establish and maintain a strong military for the protection of its citizens. I SUPPORT the Military industrial complex in this country. and as far as loss of freedoms go.. anem a few freedoms that you have lost and i will match them one for one with freedoms i have lost at the hands of folks like the ACLU whom you seem to hold in such high regard…
Posted by: arkie vet | February 19, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Where are the professional bloggers today? Is it a holiday? Are they writing protest letters and making phone calls to their congressmen to get off Roland Burris’s case? Was there an ACORN meeting? Has Obama reduced his propoganda budget? Don’t you miss them? Not! It is good to see the media finally holding Obama’s feet to the fire.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 19, 2009, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
wow, you love your paranoia state, don’t you?
SENATE hearings & international journalism scares you, doesn’t it? I recommend you do your homework & stop with the ‘We’re NUMBER ONE!” propaganda.
Senate Hearing On Laptop Seizures At US Border
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/06/25/010206
call me a terrorist, eh? there are BILLIONS of non-Americans in the World. it take a particular mindset of ‘presumed superiority’ to believe THEY’RE ALL OUT TO GET YOU…
take some more pharmaceuticals.
aren’t you just the little xenophobe… ?
I’m done trying to reason with the barely competent & willfully ignorant.
They’re called Universal Human Rights for a reason… you just don’t happen to like the reasons or the HUMANS which deserve them.
Some Detainees Are Drugged For Deportation
Immigrants Sedated Without Medical Reason
by Amy Goldstein and Dana Priest | Washington Post Staff Writers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/immigration/cwc_d4p1.html
“Haldol gained notoriety in the Soviet Union, where it was often given to political dissidents imprisoned in psychiatric hospitals. “In the history of oppression, using haloperidol is kind of like detaining people in Abu Ghraib,” the infamous prison in Iraq, said Nigel Rodley, who teaches international human rights law at the University of Essex in Britain and is a former United Nations special investigator on torture.
For people who are not psychotic, said Philip Seeman, a University of Toronto specialist in psychiatry and pharmacology, “prescribing Haldol . . . is medically and ethically wrong.” Seeman studied the drug in the 1960s and later discovered the brain receptors on which several antipsychotic drugs work.”
Posted by: BlueBerry Pick'n | February 19, 2009, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
Arkie Vet; It was our former great president Eisenhower, last of the great military leader Presidents, who coined the term industrial military complex. He warned us to beware. The Steve Miller Band went on to write a Vietnam era song about the industrial military complex hex. It’s a good thing but only to whatever extent a necessary evil can be a good thing. I’m afraid in recent years we’ve come to rely on defense spending to keep the economy propped up.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 19, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Mike from Carolina (1:24 PM); I’m not negative on Obama because of his color. I’m concerned because of his obvious left socialist leaning tendencies. I could care less that he’s a black man. I think he’s very intelligent, thoughtful, and a good speaker. I just don’t agree that we need to share the wealth with the government calling the shots, but I guess it’s too late. The man even let that little bit of personal philosophy slip out during the campaign. I was afraid of this when the congress shifted left, and the Senate nearly followed suit. You wait, things will get a lot worse. I predicted it before he was elected and I’ll say it again. He’ll have only one term. This pendulum is going to swing the other way real fast.
Posted by: LongT | February 19, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Canada is the greatest threat to the US. They have massed over 90% of their population within 100 miles of our border.
Posted by: boulderhippy2 | February 19, 2009, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
A little earlier I was wonder the same (about the bloggers); then the Bush bashers appeared (on another topic)!
Posted by: deanbob | February 19, 2009, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
All the talk about fairness! Is it fair that some homeowners will receive mortgage help on the backs of “good” homeowners? Is it fair that one mother loads the welfare system with 14 children? Is it fair that a school wipes out all the end-of-the-year class picnic program because two students break the rules? Fairness seems to become the question only after the fact.
Where was the fairness in all the deceptive practices of mortgage companies and banks in luring people into deals? Where’s the fairness in credit companies who raise interest rates when an otherwise responsible cardholder runs into life problems?
All the “good and fair” complainers: are you always honest and truthful in your dealings with others? Or are you like so many in our culture scoping out where you might find a hedge, a deal, an edge? Are you the ones one the sinking ship who don’t stop to help the old man who trips? or the lost child?
Posted by: kathy williams | February 19, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Mike from Carolina yea thats right anyone who complains about husseins lying is a racist. Maybe its just that we expect people to keep their word. I will tell you what hussein has done. thanks to him we are within the next few years going to be facing hyper-inflation thanks to the largest amd most wasteful spending bill IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. I am sure that when you chidren are going humgry because bread is too expensive you will still be singing his praise.
Posted by: Chris | February 20, 2009, 3:40 am 3:40 am
Nafta is the end of US sovereignty. It’s just another step to a one world government. Obama didn’t originate it but he did support it as a Senator, deny it as a presidential candidate and push it as President.
In two years we’ll elect and even more leftist Congress. The process will accelerate. Since the American people were foolish enough to allow Obama’s election and total leftist take over, we’ll get what we deserve.
Hopefully I’ll be around to say I tried to warn you.
Posted by: Oonogil | February 20, 2009, 4:49 am 4:49 am
The fact is that the trade agreements and massive legal and illegal immigration has not worked well for American workers. Some of our trading partners (e.g., Canada, China and Mexico) have clearly benefited. The United States by itself represents a huge free trade zone. The great experiments massive free trade and immigration should have been tried on a more modest scale. The damage is now difficult to reverse. An obvious example is manufacturing we need to decent jobs for those without high school education. In motor vehicles foreign brands already have more than 50% of the market. The problem is deeper than that Ford produces there Fusion in Mexico and will build a reintroduced Festiva there in 2010.
The combined free flow of goods and free flow of labor over boarders is pushing wages toward the world average. The elite leadership of both parties may be described as Globalist not Pro American.
Posted by: merchantilist | February 20, 2009, 8:23 am 8:23 am
The fact is that the trade agreements and massive legal and illegal immigration has not worked well for American workers. Some of our trading partners (e.g., Canada, China and Mexico) have clearly benefited. The United States by itself represents a huge free trade zone. The great experiments massive free trade and immigration should have been tried on a more modest scale. The damage is now difficult to reverse. An obvious example is manufacturing we need to decent jobs for those without high school education. In motor vehicles foreign brands already have more than 50% of the market. The problem is deeper than that Ford produces there Fusion in Mexico and will build a reintroduced Festiva there in 2010.
The combined free flow of goods and free flow of labor over boarders is pushing wages toward the world average. The elite leadership of both parties may be described as Globalist not Pro American.
Posted by: merchantilist | February 20, 2009, 8:29 am 8:29 am
THE NAFTA IS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE AMERICAN TRADE AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS THE AMERICAN COMMERCIAL POWER IN THE WORLD.
Posted by: Marcello Nocito | February 20, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am
THE NAFTA IS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE AMERICAN TRADE AGREEMENT BECAUSE IT REPRESENTS THE AMERICAN COMMERCIAL POWER IN THE WORLD.
Posted by: Marcello Nocito | February 20, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am