By Caitlin Taylor

Feb 2, 2009 8:02am

The Note, 2/2/09: Most Exclusive — Senate controls a make-or-break week for Obama agenda

By RICK KLEIN Tom Daschle will have his fate determined by the club (and if he wasn’t a former member of it, it probably would have been determined already).  Sen. Judd Gregg may be set to leave the club (but only with a deal in place).  And President Obama — or, should we say, former Senator Obama — gets the near-term fate of his agenda determined in that very same place. It’s a different Senate these days, but its quirks and curiosities and even its fault lines remain the same. The Senate this week offers plenty opportunities for sticky votes, shifting coalitions, and balancing acts that invite messy clashes. It also gives Obama a chance to rebound from some early disappointments. The message the president wanted to send with his Cabinet selections — efficiency, competence, swift action — has been diluted in a haze created by poor vetting and questionable judgments. The message he wanted to send with the stimulus package — a new tone of bipartisan cooperation and coordinated action — has been lost in old Washington games, as the opposition party finds its voice. If Obama’s going to salvage something out his first bipartisan push — other than Super Bowl leftovers — it’s going to have to happen here and now, with the men and women he once called colleagues. “After a week of legislative successes for President Obama, Republicans seized on one asterisk: his inability to line up support from their ranks. As he heads into his second full week in office, members of both parties are waiting to see whether he will regard this as the failure that some have made it out to be — and how much he is willing to alter his approach if he does,” Alec MacGillis and Paul Kane write in The Washington Post. Don’t miss the pre-spin: “Others in the White House rejected the notion that the failure to garner any Republican votes on the stimulus bill represented a conclusive defeat for Obama’s call for comity,” MacGillis and Kane write. “We’ve known for a long time the size of Barack Obama’s head. Now we’re about to find out the size of his herd,” Time’s Nancy Gibbs writes. “I can’t help but wonder at the gap between the aggressively sensible things Obama is saying and the passive way that he is acting. And you get a sense that a lot of people in the audience, the experts and economists as well as the worried working classes, are starting to wonder as well.”  “The problem is that symbolism takes a president only so far, especially when his own aides admit privately that they’re not sure the economic-recovery package will actually work,” Newsweek’s Jonathan Alter writes. “Once the honeymoon fades, pressure will mount for tangible signs of a presidential spine.”  Opposing views . . . The president defines success, in a pre-Super Bowl interview with Matt Lauer: “The important thing is getting the thing passed. And — I’ve done extraordinary outreach I think to Republicans because they had some good ideas. And I want to make sure that those ideas are incorporated. I am confident that by the time we actually have the final package on the floor that we are going to see substantial support.”  Said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.: “In the House and in the Senate, the Democrats really didn’t negotiate at all with the Republicans. We’ve got to have a truly bipartisan approach. I think the president can and will lead in negotiations to eliminate so many billions — tens of billions — of unnecessary and non-stimulative projects,” McCain tells ABC’s Diane Sawyer on “Good Morning America” Monday. Regarding Rush Limbaugh: “I hope we all succeed, working together — that’s what the American people want us to do. And if the president gets the credit for it, fine — I’ll give it to him.” Looking like a united GOP front: “Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said Sunday the massive stimulus bill backed by President Barack Obama and congressional Democrats could go down to defeat if it’s not stripped of unnecessary spending and focused more on housing issues and tax cut,” per the write-up from the AP’s Douglass K. Daniel.  Even Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, isn’t on board: “Our constituents don’t want to see a bloated, overly expensive bill that wastes money and targets funding for programs that aren’t going to make a difference,” Collins said on CNN.  And the politics begins: the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee is launching ads in 28 GOP districts — calling out individual Republican House members for opposing the stimulus. From the release: “The ads focus on the Republicans out of step priorities by putting bank bail outs and building schools in Iraq before the needs of the Americans in the struggling economy. The Putting Families First ads begin airing on Tuesday morning during drive time and will run for a week. In addition to the strategic radio ads in 28 Republican districts, the DCCC will also begin a grassroots initiative which includes targeted e-mails to 3 million voters and nearly 100,000 person-to-person telephone calls.” Not the result Obama would have wanted: “There are compelling reasons, both substantive and political, to hope that the Senate consideration of the bill, which begins tomorrow, is far more open, even if that means spending more time than Obama and the Democrats would prefer,” David Broder writes in his Sunday Washington Post column. “Beyond these policy challenges, there are political considerations that make it really important for Obama to take the time to negotiate for more than token Republican support in the Senate. Nothing was more central to his victory last fall than his claim that he could break the partisan gridlock in Washington.”  Watch that pricetag: “A push in the Senate to expand business-tax cuts and infrastructure spending in the economic-stimulus plan making its way through Congress poses a challenge for Democratic leaders, who want to keep the package’s cost below $1 trillion,” Greg Hitt and Brody Mullins write in The Wall Street Journal.  Not that there’s too much to chew here: “The question that the Senate will begin debating Monday is whether grand ambitions are getting in the way of pulling the country out of a nose dive,” David Sanger writes in The New York Times. “Some of what is going on might best be called a classic case of pent-up demand — demand by Democrats for the kinds of programs that they could never get passed during the Bush years.”  Pressure not to give too much: “The coming week will test the strength of President Obama and the Democrats: Will they lose their nerve, or will they face down a rapidly forming conventional wisdom that would allow them to claim victory only if their economic stimulus package passes with substantial Republican support?” E.J. Dionne Jr. writes in his column. “If achieving bipartisanship takes priority over the actual content of policy, Republicans are handed a powerful weapon. In theory, they can keep moving the bipartisan bar indefinitely. And each concession to their sensibilities threatens the solidarity in the president’s own camp.”  Keeping an eye on No. 2: “From the telephone to the Senate gym, Mr. Biden has been plying former colleagues for Republican support in the Senate, with little obvious payoff so far,” John Harwood writes in The New York Times. Plus: “He is working to salvage the [Daschle] nomination, which even Daschle allies agree is in doubt.”  The questions for Daschle continue. The Senate Finance Committee meets privately Monday to discuss his tax missteps, as senators consider whether to put the brakes on the nomination of one of their former colleagues. “Former Sen. Tom Daschle, already facing questions over his failure to pay some taxes in a timely fashion, will likely face another question when the Senate Finance Committee meets Monday to consider his nomination as health and human services secretary: whether he improperly took gifts of value from charities with which he was involved,” Jonathan Weisman and Melanie Trottman report in The Wall Street Journal.  “A Finance Committee memo given to members Friday night alluded to the issue as ‘outstanding,’ stating, ‘Committee staff still is reviewing whether travel and entertainment services provided to the Daschles by EduCap, Inc., Catherine B. Reynolds Foundation, Academy Achievement, and Loan to Learn should be reported as income.’ ” And Michael Steele gets his feet wet as RNC chairman by splashing some water. Don’t confirm Daschle, he tells Republicans — and don’t let Judd Gregg leave the Senate, either. Steele tells USA Today’s Jill Lawrence: “We’ve already let one cat out of the bag with [Treasury Secretary Timothy] Geithner,” Steele said. “So what’s the standard down to, to be a Cabinet secretary? You don’t have to pay your taxes? Come on.”  “We’d better be very suspicious,” Steele said of any promise from Gov. John Lynch, D-N.H., regarding Gregg’s replacement. Daschle starts his day with an apology, in a letter sent to the Finance Committee Sunday where he says he’s “deeply embarrassed and disappointed.” Writes Daschle: “In an effort to ensure full compliance and the most complete disclosure possible of my personal finances, we remedied these issues by filing amended tax returns with full payments, including interest. We provided all this information to the Committee in addition to the completed Committee questionnaire and my responses to your staff’s questions. I disclosed this information to the Committee voluntarily, and paid the taxes and any interest owed promptly. My mistakes were unintentional.”  Not enough, says John McCain: “It hasn’t, quote, ‘satisfied me.’ I just think we need to find out more information — his relationship with Mr. Hindery, what he did for the millions of dollars, and why it is that he didn’t report a great deal of income in taxes.” “Daschle’s appearance today is likely to follow the Geithner script, congressional aides said,” per The Washington Post’s Ceci Connolly and Paul Kane. “The 23 committee members will first meet in an anteroom to review a report on Daschle’s finances prepared by staff members. Daschle, who participated in similar sessions during his years on the panel, will wait outside, ready to answer questions.”  Impact, already: “Daschle’s unpaid taxes — which came to light just 2 1/2 weeks after Obama’s nominee for Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, had to admit he had failed to pay enough income taxes — have held up his confirmation at a time when the Obama administration is trying to push ahead with a major healthcare reform campaign,” The Los Angeles Times’ Noam Levey writes.  “While Republicans weren’t ready to declare war on the Daschle pick, they noted the irony of Democrats downplaying the latest in a series of Obama nominees not measuring up to the candidate’s and the party’s rhetoric on ethics,” the Washington Times’ Sean Lengell writes.  What about Senate Finance Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont.? “Baucus — who quickly came to the defense of then-treasury nominee Timothy Geithner when he had tax problems — has said nothing in public about Daschle’s issues,” Politico’s John Bresnahan and Carrie Budoff Brown report. “The silence has been deafening,” said a Democratic staffer.  The president’s day: Obama has an 11 am ET meeting with Gov. Jim Douglas, R-Vt., to talk about the stimulus package. (Douglas, you’ll be shocked to learn, doesn’t agree with House Republicans on the matter.) The president and vice president have a 1:50 pm ET meeting in the Oval Office with Defense Secretary Robert Gates. At 4:45 pm ET, they host congressional leaders in the Roosevelt Room — and then debate on the stimulus starts in the Senate. Press Secretary Robert Gibbs briefs at 1:30 pm.

Gregg looks to be on track for Commerce — but Six-Oh is going to have to wait. “President Barack Obama was poised to tap Republican Sen. Judd Gregg as his commerce secretary but officials cautioned yesterday the move would not deliver Democrats more firm dominance of the Senate as they had hoped,” per the New Hampshire Union Leader. “Leading the pack to replace the fiscal conservative was his former chief of staff and a veteran of the Reagan White House, Bonnie Newman. Officials expect New Hampshire Gov. John Lynch, a Democrat, would name her to fill the final two years of Gregg’s term. Newman would not seek the seat for a full term in 2010.” “Newman’s resume and Lynch’s appointment history make her seem like a logical possibility,” Lisa Wangsness writes for The Boston Globe. “Consider: Newman served as assistant secretary of Commerce for economic development in the Reagan administration. She was in charge of administrative operations for the George H.W. Bush White House. She was chief of staff to Gregg when he was a congressman in the 1980s, and she was one of the first Republicans to publicly endorse Lynch in his 2004 challenge of then-Republican Governor Craig Benson, and co-chaired Republicans for Lynch.” Why this works for Obama: “For President Barack Obama, picking Senator Judd Gregg to be his commerce secretary would add another Republican to his administration, more credibility to his efforts to promote bipartisanship and an important ally for his economic-recovery plan,” Bloomberg’s Julianna Goldman reports. “Gregg — who is described by friends as a policy wonk — would be a player in Obama’s efforts to solve the biggest economic crisis since the Great Depression and would get a ticket out of his minority status in a rancorous Senate.” Buzz out of Chicago: “White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is interested in potentially returning to Chicago someday to reclaim the congressional seat he held until a month ago, a candidate running to replace him said Sunday,” John McCormick and Dan Mihalopoulos report in the Chicago Tribune. “When 11 Democrats at the first 5th Congressional District forum were asked whether they have had direct or indirect conversations with Emanuel about being a ‘place holder’ for the seat, only state Rep. John Fritchey (D-Chicago) said he had.”: The Kicker: “She’s losing a weight battle apparently. Oh, well.” –President Obama, commenting on Jessica Simpson’s appearance on the cover of US Weekly, in a spot that the magazine might have used to include him with his family.  Bookmark the link below to get The Note’s daily morning analysis:
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User Comments

Matt Lauer made it crystal clear Obama was NOT personally commenting on Jessica Simpson’s weight (as you imply under THE KICKER) rather reading the headline on the magazine where he would have been. Tabloid journalism from you, Rick? bummer indeed.

Posted by: Paige | February 2, 2009, 9:20 am 9:20 am

Yeah, that’s the kind of thing that is indicative of irresponsible writing. If he has an editor, he needs to be reprimanded for that.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am

Friday there was a story in our local paper about a popular car dealership going out of business. The problem was Citizen Bank revoked its’ loan – the money it uses to put cars on the lot – because the bank was getting out of that type of loan. This dealership had never even been late paying its debt, and it had a solid reputation, but it had to close because the bank wasn’t lending money. Kind of brought home to me what we are reading about our screwed up economy.

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Is anyone else getting tired of hearing them say we know he’s a crook. But we’ve cleaned him up and our nation really needs him because he’s the right man for the job?

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 2, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am

not so sure why rick klein isn’t checking sources prior to publication. very irresponsible journalism. and shame on you for spreading crap.

Posted by: fairplay | February 2, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am

“Is anyone else getting tired of hearing them say we know he’s a crook. But we’ve cleaned him up and our nation really needs him because he’s the right man for the job?”
Yes.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Daschle had to pay $100,000 in back taxes, Greuitner had to pay $34,000, and I had to pay a $6,000 in late fees and fines on state taxes owed for a part time job I had in 1999 and 2000. Gosh, I feel like I’m playing with the big boys!

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am

I’m wondering about the “Iron Curtain” vetting process regarding Daschle. Surely his expert evaluation was exhausted to the point that he passed all of Obama’s highly manicured appraisals? This is sounding like a bad SNL skit, first Geithner and now the former Senate Majority Leader from South Dakota.

Posted by: Montreal | February 2, 2009, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

THIS STIMULUS BILL IS A BAIL OUT NEW YORK AND CALIFORNIA BILL PERIOD.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

2 Weeks in office and he has a mess by his own making. Nobody he picked are paying taxes, there are a few lobbyists that were a big no-no in the campaign. What is next? BO has already lost control.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

Amy: I understand you. Tax evasion is
criminal for most American excepts of congressmen, Senators of DNC, Obama’s admin n last or middle amed “KENNEDY”.
If any one of us did like Tim Geithner,
Charles Rangel(D-Ref. NY, my distric),
and Tom Daschle(D-Senator)did,
most American would be in jail now.
SOMETHING IS GOING ON AMISS & UNFAIR.

Posted by: Janet-NY | February 2, 2009, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

Amy: I understand you. Tax evasion is
criminal for most American excepts of congressmen, Senators of DNC, Obama’s admin n last or middle amed “KENNEDY”.
If any one of us did like Tim Geithner,
Charles Rangel(D-Ref. NY, my distric),
and Tom Daschle(D-Senator)did,
most American would be in jail now.
SOMETHING IS GOING ON AMISS & UNFAIR.

Posted by: DNC must be changed | February 2, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

Tom Daschle was Senate majority leader before the people in his home state voted him out of office. Imagine that. Leader of the senate and stripped of all his power. What did his constituents see that Obama can’t see? Is Obama looking for a Rube to put in charge of trying to salvage our rogue healthcare industry, the most powerful lobby in America, next to the insurance lobby? The secretary of HHS will be going up against both industries. He will be tempted with meaningful lobby money. No wonder he was willing to pay up on his back taxes. The future looks profitable for him.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 2, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

Amy; You’re not part of the elite. The elite don’t pay late fees or even basic taxliabilities until they’re being considered for cabinet positions. Shouldn’t all politicians be audited every year?

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 2, 2009, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Obama demonstrates arrogance, narcissism and imaturity – not back bone. If the far left-wing dems wanted maturity, wisdom and back-bone, they would have selected Hillary! :)
Obama has no moral center, no ethical core and no integrity! He has the questionable gifts of political expediency and of saying one thing and doing another.
Growing public cynicism is not in his favor! :(

Posted by: aware2u | February 2, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

“Obama has no moral center, no ethical core and no integrity!”
Not that I even remotely agree with you, but who cares? Can he fix stuff…that’s what’s important. Enough with looking for a daddy in Washington…we need people to get stuff done.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

“Shouldn’t all politicians be audited every year?”
Starting to look that way, isn’t it?

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Silky; Good day to you. Did you actually agree about the crooks? I know the people will feel better when their needs are being addressed. All sins will be forgiven if these appointments work out. However, are we so short on qualified people that we have to settle for income junkies and run them through rehab before we put them in office? I’d feel much better if I knew I could trust people appointed to oversee so much temptation.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 2, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Silky: A pandering, spinless, equivocator won’t fix anything. Rhetoric and symbolic niceties are not change anyone can believe in – just window dressing!
And political expediency is self serving. Also the de-moralizing of America has demoralized America! :(
Authenticity/integrity demands that you walk the talk! :)

Posted by: aware2u | February 2, 2009, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

Silky: A pandering, spineless, equivocator won’t fix anything. Rhetoric and symbolic niceties are not change anyone can believe in – just window dressing!
And political expediency is self serving. Also the de-moralizing of America has demoralized America! :(
Authenticity/integrity demands that you walk the talk! :)

Posted by: aware2u | February 2, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

silky : integrity means nothing to you? So BO can have no integrity and you don’t care. Well you should be very happy with him then.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

“silky : integrity means nothing to you?”
In my friends and family? Yes. In my politicians? No, as long as they get things done and have good decision-making skills. And I’m not sure what about Obama suggests he lacks integrity. You are one of a very few who feel that way.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

I would like to encourage Congress to increase funding for fighting global poverty. The Borgen Project (www.borgenproject.org) has some great facts and ideas to help global poverty.
$30 billion to eliminate global poverty.
$522 billion on the U.S. defense budget.
There are 800 million people that go to sleep hungry every day, 300 million are children.

Posted by: cougar_gal06 | February 2, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

silky : integrity =doing the right thing when no one is looking. so do you trust someone without integrity, such as a republican?

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

Rush was right when he said liberals have no standards.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

And I wouldn’t say “nothing”, but what we perceive as integrity is a show. We have no clue what’s going on. By and large, I look at discussing most politicians “integrity” as being similar to discussing the brand of a football player’s uniform.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

“Rush was right when he said liberals have no standards.”
My point is more that you have no idea who in Washington has “integrity.” So geting all excited about it is silly. Many of those people are guilty of ethically questionable conduct, but they just don’t get caught. Not paying taxes is kind of low on the ethical violations meter in Washington.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

“Rush was right when he said liberals have no standards.”
Any chance you guys get to blow Rush, you take it. lol. And that’s a ridiculous comment. We’re just realistic. Like I said, integrity is very important to me in my relationships. But politics is a dirty business and you’re barking up the wrong tree if you want to believe that your guy is clean.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

So now let’s just put ethics under the bus too?? Really?? What we need is for criminal indictments to start rolling immediately. We need to enforce all our laws (including the tax laws) equally to all citizens and prosecute violators to the fullest extent possible beginning with members of the former administration all the way up to Daschle and Geithner. They should pay the penalty just like all other citizens would if they cheated the gov’t, not just get a slap on the wrist and get the job anyway. Disgusting!!

Posted by: fairpolitics2009 | February 2, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Silky: You are part of the problem!
The First Amendment has erected a wall of separation between church and state, but the wall is a one-directional wall. It keeps the government from running the church, but it makes sure that Christian principles will always stay in the government.
Thomas Jefferson said, “The reason that Christianity is the best friend of the government is because Christianity is the only religion in the world that deals with the heart.”
James Madison said, “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not on the power of government – far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
George Washington said, “Do not let anyone claim the tribute of American patriotism if they ever attempt to remove religion from politics. We cannot expect national morality to prevail if we exclude religious principle.”
Benjamin Franklin said, “He who shall introduce into public affairs the principles of the Christian faith will change the face of the world.”
John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate apart from morality and religion.”
So – it’s high time for us to recapture the faith heritage which is so much a part of the American experience.

Posted by: aware2u | February 2, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

I’ll bet if a republican didn’t pay his taxes it would be different. boy talk about setting your expectations low on democrats. I do agree that most politicians have no intregrity. In my business I don’t have to do business with people that have no integrity I just send them to someone else to deal with the liars.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

No, the separation of church and state is TWO WAYS. Keep each out of the other. Period.
And how am I part of the problem? I’m not suggesting that congressmen get a pass on crimes committed. Never came anywhere close to saying that.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

“So – it’s high time for us to recapture the faith heritage which is so much a part of the American experience.”
Wrong.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

Don’t assume that all comments questioning the integrity/authenticity of Obama are Republicans!
I am an Independent and former dem/Hillary supporter.

Posted by: aware2u | February 2, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

You prove my point Silky! :)

Posted by: aware2u | February 2, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

Rush is right on about 95% of what he says. You know the liberals have nothing on him when all they can say is “pill popper” or make fun of his weight. If republicans have the slightest blemish, they are doomed.
Democrats, however, can continue a freindly relationship with the press when they…
-kill their mistresses and flee the scene of the accident (kennedy)
-be head of the senate housing comittee, who is on the record of fighting ANY form of regulation of fannie/freddie, while having a gay affair with the head of fannie.(barney frank)
-run a gay prositution ring out of your house(barney frank)
-be accused of rape by juanita brodderick (clinton)
-audit paula jones after she is going to “tell all” about all of the fun things the two of you did (clinton)
-stick their cigars in funky places after they swore UNDER OATH that it never happened (clinton)
-by a house that you cannot afford with the help of a convicted slumlord through a “sweetheart” deal, who was also your biggest campaign fundraiser when you ran for the senate (barry O)
And then of course there is the brand barry O administration. My God! Where do I begin? How many of these people have cheated on their taxes, but barry somehow thinks they are clean enough to manage MY tax dollars?

Posted by: dave | February 2, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

aware2 u : silky has no standards therefore he doesn’t have to live up to any. it’s the easy way to live life. I as a conservative expect alot and have disappointed in Bush and other repubs lately, as will the libs and dems with BO even though they have no standards. but because he can’t pay their mortgage forever.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

“silky has no standards therefore he doesn’t have to live up to any.”
F off you worthless dooshbag. You have no earthly clue what I “have”, and if you had half a brain that wouldn’t need to be explained to you. Some of you really are brain-damaged and need help.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

dave, getting into listing indiscretions along party lines isn’t something you want to get into.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Silky
I don’t know if you have standards or not, but I know that you REFUSE to admit when you have been proven wrong, even after you have called the other person “liar” and “idiot”.

Posted by: dave | February 2, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

silky : I must have hit a nerve with you . Liberals always resort to name calling when they lose an arguement. I do know alittle about you. You have been commenting for a long time.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

Silky
I was making the point that liberals can kill people, be accused of rape, run gay prostiution rings out of their houses, ect and still enjoy a relatively normal poltical career via media protection.
Republicans on the other hand are slaughtered by the media when their dirty laundry is exposed.

Posted by: dave | February 2, 2009, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

“Silky
I don’t know if you have standards or not, but I know that you REFUSE to admit when you have been proven wrong, even after you have called the other person “liar” and “idiot”.”
dave, you continued to repeat an assertion that is incorrect. I’ll say again, you were correct about the the verbiage and wrong on your point. But by all means, keep bringing it up.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

“What Katrina taught the media was that they could hurt Bush by lying. What 2008 taught them was that they could help Obama by not reporting at all. What will 2009 teach them? I shudder to think.” A lesson, one hopes.
ABC please do not give up on our fellow Americans that are suffering in Kentucky and in other states due to the inability of FEMA to help them. Please inquire why President Obama has not offered words or actions to further help them.

Posted by: Unbelievable | February 2, 2009, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

“silky : I must have hit a nerve with you . Liberals always resort to name calling when they lose an arguement. I do know alittle about you. You have been commenting for a long time.”
“Liberals” sometimes lose their patience with the special people. This is true. And you don’t know anything about me, regarding the importance of integrity in my life.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

silky name a repub that has gotten by with anything after they’ve been caught. Dave is so right on this.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

sillky : you just said other than freinds and family integrity means nothing to you.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

How can 2 million peopl get into Washington DC in sub zero temps in 1 day when 200,000 couldn’t get out of New Orleans at 85 degrees with four days notice?

Posted by: hilarious | February 2, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

hilarious: I love you.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

What would you have FEMA do in Kentucky?

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

“sillky : you just said other than freinds and family integrity means nothing to you.”
With my friends and family, it is monumentally important. With politicians, it’s not really something I consider. They’re lawyers…there job is what they do in the court room/chambers, not what they do on their own time. You want a lawyer to win your case, period. That’s a good lawyer. I view politicians similarly. They need to get results. It’s more important to me that they get results than that they are warm and fuzzy and somebody who my children can look up to.
And did I really say integrity means nothing to me outside or friends and family?

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

“How can 2 million peopl get into Washington DC in sub zero temps in 1 day when 200,000 couldn’t get out of New Orleans at 85 degrees with four days notice?”
You can’t be serious.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

dave: I think your point has been proven, silky can’t name a repub and you have named several dems. I have declare dave the winner by a Kennedy and a Frank.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

No, CHAOS, dave’s point was just to name people guilty of indiscretions, not to name people who were guilty and “got a pass.”

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Benjamin Franklin said, “He who shall introduce into public affairs the principles of the Christian faith will change the face of the world.”
I’ve yet to see that. If Jesus were alive today and us to turn the other cheek the Republicans would call Him an appeaser and a bleeding heart Liberal.

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

And you start at the head of the class with Bush and Cheney and the 4000+ dead Americans blood on their hands.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

ok then name a repub with indiscretion problem that got a pass.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

Jesus would totally be a lib. An Obamabot. A drinker of the Kool-Aid.

Posted by: Silky | February 2, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

Benjamin Franklin said, “He who shall introduce into public affairs the principles of the Christian faith will change the face of the world.”
I’ve yet to see that. If Jesus were alive today and told us to turn the other cheek the Republicans would call Him an appeaser and a bleeding heart Liberal.

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

jesus would be for abortion? infanticide, sex anytime anywhere with anybody, partial birth abortion, condom distrution in schools, abortions for 14 year olds without knowlege of the parents, jesus would be ok with the gay pride parade in sf?

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

“Republicans on the other hand are slaughtered by the media when their dirty laundry is exposed.”
I believe its called being voted out of office, not being slaughtered. It’s kind of up to the people if they want a pedophile or men’s room creep as their representative. Generally, that’s a “nay.” Voters must have decided Kennedy’s fall off the bridge was a tragic addident, kind of like when Laura Bush ran a stop sign and killed her classmate.

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

silky I’m waiting for name.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

amy: you are ok with kennedy calling his publicist before an ambulance, and wiating until the next day probably because he was drunk.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

“jesus would be ok with the gay pride parade in sf” uh, yes. He was all about “love they neighbor,” as I recall.

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

Jesus would be okay with fighting against iran/hamas and anyone else who is calling for a 2nd Holocaust. Liberals on the other hand, would invite them to dinner and a movie.

Posted by: dave | February 2, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

amy did you see any of the parade on tv or anything? they were ridiculing jesus in large numbers.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

“you are ok with kennedy calling his publicist ”
Sounds like a right wing lie to me. Could be true, but how can we tell? Right wingers make up so many things.

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

“amy: you are ok with kennedy calling his publicist before an ambulance, and wiating until the next day probably because he was drunk.”
I’m okay with that, yes. I’m not okay with him driving drunk.

Posted by: Silky_Johnson | February 2, 2009, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

“they were ridiculing jesus in large numbers”
I hear Gays are pretty mad at the Mormon Church. Not the same thing as ridiculing Jesus, in my book.

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

I gave you two names…Bush and Cheney.
And Jesus would totally be rallying at the Gay Pride parade. Abortion…probably not, but I think he would find the distaste of the Republican party to be so significant that he would eat pro-choice.

Posted by: Silky_Johnson | February 2, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

my God! you’re saying jesus would eat the pro-choice movement. read what you just wrote if your ok with that then you haven’t got any standards. amy: they did have jesus by neck in a noose are you ok with that?

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm

bush and cheney did not get a pass.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm

silky would you let kennedy or clinton date your daughter? nevermind, you don’t have any standards, bad question.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Chaos
The protestors were probably saying something like “voting against Gay marriage is like killing Jesus.”

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

amy: google it I’m sure will have your mind opened.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

amy “folsum street last supper “

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

ok, that’s disgusting.

Posted by: Amy | February 2, 2009, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

Remember, whenever you see a rainbow, it means God is having gay sex…..

Posted by: SearamblerOne | February 2, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

Kennedy and Clinton aren’t trying to date my daughter. They’re politicians. Do you get the difference? What does one have to do with the other? Nothing.

Posted by: Silky_Johnson | February 2, 2009, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

“my God! you’re saying jesus would eat the pro-choice movement. read what you just wrote if your ok with that then you haven’t got any standards.”
You’re mistaking pro-choice for pro-abortion. And you’re also miscaculating how Jesus would view the I’ve got mine, you get your’s attitude, the hypocracy, the bitterness, the judgment, etc….of the Republican Party. Jesus would absolutely be a Democrat. He was closer to a hippie than a Republican.

Posted by: Silky_Johnson | February 2, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

“Remember, whenever you see a rainbow, it means God is having gay sex…..”
That’s funny.
I lived briefly South of Market on Folsom. I got to experience the lunacy of the Folsom Street Fair from a lawn chairs outside my door. Had a very neighborly dominatrix upstairs, too. You haven’t seen freaks until you’ve witnessed the Folsom Street Fair.

Posted by: Silky_Johnson | February 2, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

jesus would be a communist and i mean in the utopia sense. Everybody would get along. but in this twisted time that is not possible. I do agree that republicans have messed up and thats why my trust in government “doing the right thing” is gone. repub and dems have both lost sight of the original constitution and bill of rights.

Posted by: CHAOS | February 2, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

Why do you still have the quote about Jessica Simpsosn still prominently displayed on your site when it has been shown clearly that it was maliciously interpreted and spun by your reporter. Are you people totally devoid of any professional standard or integrity. Seems you will rather persist in peddling outright misrepresentation regardless of the facts. Shame on you.

Posted by: John Johnson | February 2, 2009, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

yes god and jesus would be socialist,because that is where all are equal and all have what they need…

Posted by: T | February 2, 2009, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

make or breike wath? our jobs, our home,our colege education,our mariage orour hole life?????

Posted by: jesuino leduino rosa | February 3, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Any mention of religion always gets the libs going. No one enjoys having their shortcomings pointed out. But God has given us His rules to live by which are different and separate from civil laws. Don’t get mad at me. I didn’t make the rules. Nor am I qualified to judge others. I have gone the extra mile to familiarize myself with God’s rules, and all things considered, to me they seem more important than civil law. Civil laws are for keeping order and financing the government that protects us. God’s laws are about the disposition of our eternal souls. We don’t get to pick and choose the parts we like while ignoring or rationalizing the rest. It’s either all in or all out. He’s sort of like Mama. When we used to ask her why, she’d say because I’m your Mama and I said so. God is much more authoritative than Mama. If you profess to love Him you’re either all in or all out. It’s a choice we all have to make. Although it’s a matter of faith, our works speak louder than our words. He’s the one we’ll surely have to answer to if we choose to disobey.

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