By Caitlin Taylor

Feb 23, 2009 8:39am

The Note, 2/23/09: Fiscal Abilities — Stimulus done, Obama moves to more treacherous terrain

By RICK KLEIN You thought that was hard? Spending money and cutting taxes is all well and good (and all well and partisan, it turns out, too). Now comes everything else — and with it, a turnaround from presidential spender to presidential saver, and from a laser-like focus on one huge item to a scattershot approach that encompasses the whole long list. Plus, that perennial crowd favorite: entitlement reform. The stimulus plan will either work or it won’t (and the spin will argue both sides through 2010 and beyond). President Obama unveils much of the rest of his agenda this week, starting with this his plan to move toward a balanced budget, with a fiscal responsibility summit Monday at the White House. This will get interesting. On one level, pursuing a broader agenda offers an opportunity for the president to recapture some of the bipartisan spirit that wasn’t quite there for the stimulus. Yet it offers just as many opportunities to upset friends and inspire enemies. If Team Obama thought it was tough to cut taxes and raise spending, wait until it tries to cut spending and raise taxes. The AP’s Jim Kuhnhenn and Chuck Babington: “This coming week will mark a turning point from what Obama felt compelled to do, to what he wants to do. It also may test how much spending, change and ambition the American people and their elected officials can stomach in a short time.” “Mr. Obama got barely a month into his term before he began a pivot of his own: from a period in which the fiscal floodgates were opened to accommodate emergency economic measures to one in which the focus is more on budget discipline and long-term restraint,” John Harwood writes in The New York Times. First up: the deficit. “A White House official tells ABC News that the President on Monday will announce that he will try to put the nation on track to cut the deficit in half from that which he inherited by the end of his first term,” per ABC’s Jake Tapper. “Most of the savings will come from ending the war in Iraq, raising taxes on the wealthy, and a more efficient government.”  More from Tapper: “President Obama will announce that he’s appointing respected Interior Department Inspector General Earl Devaney to serve as Chair of the Recovery Act Transparency and Accountability Board. Devaney has built a solid reputation for ferreting out corruption in the beleaguered Interior Department, which was part of the Abramoff scandal.”  Yes, we care — and the president is making us care more: “Eighty-seven percent of Americans are concerned about the deficit, as near unanimity as might be possible on a political issue. That includes 59 percent in this new ABC News/Washington Post poll who are ‘very’ concerned about it — up 10 points in two months as Obama took office and pushed his stimulus plan through Congress,” per ABC Polling Director Gary Langer. “The increase in high-level concerned about the deficit has occurred entirely among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents, who’ve tended to be more critical of the stimulus spending, as well as less inclined generally to support the new Democratic administration. In this group the number who say they’re ‘very concerned’ about the deficit has soared from 47 percent in December to 73 percent now.” Inspiration, anyone? “The balance Obama strikes is to say that things will get worse before they get better, but that they will get better. Now he must convince us that’s true,” Jonathan Alter writes in Newsweek’s cover story. “My take on Obama, based on conversations with him and his team stretching back more than four years and extending into the White House, is that he has a firm grasp of the psychological and substantive challenges of the presidency. Equally important, his 2008 campaign proved that he possesses a superior sense of timing. He knows that now is not the moment to cheerlead, not when the financial players are lying dazed on the field.”  Politico’s Ben Smith: “Last week, America ran up the credit card. This week, the statement arrives. President Barack Obama is set to deliver the worst fiscal news since the Great Depression. . . . It’s easily the trickiest public relations challenge of his young presidency — balancing sober, but optimistic talk about the government’s dismal financial state, on a timeline not of his making.” “Call it Fashion Week for budget wonks,” Linda Feldmann writes in the Christian Science Monitor. “Taken as a whole, the week is shaping up to be equal parts substance and public relations.” What can be done: “Measured against the size of the economy, the projected $533 billion shortfall for 2013 would mean a reduction from a deficit equal to more than 10 percent of the gross domestic product — larger than any deficit since World War II — to 3 percent, which is the level that economists generally consider sustainable. Mr. Obama will project deficits at about that level through 2019, aides said,” Jackie Calmes reports in The New York Times. “Yet Mr. Obama will inflate his challenge by forsaking several gimmicks that President Bush used to make deficits look smaller.” These numbers are as huge as the policy items contained therein: “With the stimulus and Mr. Obama’s proposed housing rescue, the deficit is likely to be well in excess of $1.5 trillion and possibly as wide as $1.9 trillion, according to private forecasts,” Jonathan Weisman writes in The Wall Street Journal. “Mr. Obama will promise that he can shrink that total to $533 billion, or 3% of GDP, by 2013, primarily through savings from withdrawing combat forces from Iraq and allowing George W. Bush’s tax cuts for families earning more than $250,000 to lapse in 2011.”  “Meet Barack the Knife,” Ken Bazinet writes in the New York Daily News. “Determined to slash the deficit from $1.3 trillion to $533 million in four years, President Obama will propose this week cuts across a wide range of the budget, sparing neither the Pentagon nor entitlement programs. Even longstanding Democratic sacred cows like Medicare will not be immune from Obama’s scalpel, sources said.” Fresh fights looming? “After a week off taking a victory lap for passing an economic stimulus, Congress’ Democratic leaders return to Washington on Monday for a second race against the clock to pass another massive spending package,” S.A. Miller writes in the Washington Times. “This time it is a roughly $410 billion omnibus appropriations bill that would fund most of the federal government for the rest of the fiscal year, replacing stopgap funding that expires March 6. . . . The omnibus spending bill already has become a target for Republican attacks on the Democrat-led Congress’ penchant for pork-barrel projects and burgeoning deficits.”  Then there’s entitlements: “Just one week after President Obama signed a stimulus package designed to give a short-term boost to the economy, some of the nation’s top budget analysts plan to deliver a stark warning today at a White House summit that an even more foreboding long-term crisis will unfold unless Obama quickly fixes Social Security, healthcare, the tax code, and more,” Michael Kranish writes in The Boston Globe.  “As sure as the sun rises, the sitting President of the United States promises to save our fiscal future by reforming entitlement spending. And as sure as the sun sets, each attempt at delivering on that pledge ends in failure,” Time’s Michael Scherer reports. “Perhaps the biggest advantage that Obama has as he prepares to tackle entitlement is the financial crisis, which has forced everyone in Washington to focus on the nation’s long term fiscal problems.”  Early concession? “Mr. Obama considered announcing the formation of a Social Security task force at a White House ‘fiscal responsibility summit’ that he will convene on Monday. But several Democrats said that idea had been shelved, partly because of objections from House and Senate leaders,” Jackie Calmes writes in The New York Times.  A tough sell: “Republicans, who are already painting Obama as a profligate spender, are laying plans to attack him on taxes as well. Even some nonpartisan observers question the wisdom of announcing a plan to raise taxes in the midst of a recession,” Lori Montgomery and Ceci Connolly wrote in the Sunday Washington Post.  “But senior White House adviser David Axelrod said in an interview that the proposals reflect the ideas that won the election,” they write. Says Axelrod: “This is consistent with what the president talked about throughout the campaign,” and “restores some balance to the tax code in a way that protects the middle class.” How the president governs — per ABC’s Jake Tapper: “Every day President Barack Obama is handed a special purple folder. The folder contains ten letters, and every day President Obama takes time to read them. Are they from world leaders? From members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff? Members of the intelligence community? No, these letters have been culled from the thousands the White House Correspondence Office receives each day from Americans who have taken the time to sit down and write to their president.”  “Two or three times a day, he writes back,” Tapper reports. Piecing it together: “The appearance before a joint session of the Senate and the House [Tuesday evening] offers an opportunity for Mr. Obama to reprise some themes and initiatives from his campaign that have been overshadowed by the economic emergency that has defined the first month of his presidency,” Jeff Zeleny writes in The New York Times. “The president is not planning to announce significant new policies, officials said, but intends to explain how his agenda can advance despite the deepening recession and monumental budget deficit. The address will be heavily weighted toward domestic priorities and the economy, aides said, and will offer only a brief look at foreign policy.”  Watching for the tone: “First, will he reach out to the Republicans who’ve felt free to scorn him, or match his popularity against theirs and try to slap them back? Second, how specific will he be about his plans for the coming days?” McClatchy’s Steven Thomma writes. “Third, will he continue the dire warnings he’s used so far to prod Congress to follow his lead on rescuing the economy, or will he employ a more upbeat voice and say that help is on the way?”  You didn’t think the spending part was over, did you? “If the fight to end the economic crisis is a war, the stock market’s continuing dive, deepening troubles in the global economy and recent developments at home show that the enemy still has the upper hand — and we’re going to need reinforcements. Maybe massive reinforcements,” The Los Angeles Times’ Jim Puzzanghera reports. “That could be a tough sell in Washington, where the rapidly increasing price tag is leading many Republicans and some conservative Democrats to adopt an old battle cry: Hell no, we won’t go.” As for the politics . . . a new push from the DCCC Monday morning — pressing 12 House Republicans over their opposition to the middle-class tax cuts contained in the stimulus package.  From the release: “During this phase of the campaign, the DCCC is taking the message of middle class tax cuts and economic recovery directly to Republican Members by mounting a major grassroots campaign that includes phone calls, e-mails, and text messages directly to targeted Republicans’ constituents.” As for the opposition — might these governors who don’t want stimulus money be inviting challenges as home, even as they strengthen the principles for their national resumes? “The Republican governors’ divide reflects their party’s erosion to a mostly regional party that is based in the conservative South, after heavy election losses in the Northeast, Midwest and West,” Jackie Calmes and Robert Pear writes in The New York Times. “And with the party leaderless after losing control of both the White House and Congress in the past two election cycles, the split is colored by early maneuvering for conservatives’ support among potential aspirants for the party’s 2012 presidential nomination.”  Guess who can’t run for president: “You know, you’ve got to go beyond just the principles. You’ve got to go and say, ‘What is right for the country right now?’ ” Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, R-Calif., told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos on “This Week.” “I think that, if they — they should make an effort to work together and to find what is best for the people, because by derailing everything, it’s not going to help anybody, and it creates instability and insecurity.”  Obama addresses the National Governors Association in the State Dining Room at 10:15 am ET. Then comes the Fiscal Responsibility Summit, with Obama and Vice President Joe Biden speaking to a group of about 130 individuals in the East Room at 1 pm, and delivering closing remarks at 4 pm ET. The press, from the left . . . “Judged by his own standards, President Obama’s $787 billion economic stimulus program is deeply disappointing,” Robert J. Samuelson writes in his Washington post column. “If the economic outlook is as bleak as Obama says, there’s no reason to dilute the upfront power of the stimulus. But that’s what he’s done.” And Paul Krugman makes a case for bank nationalization: “The real question is why the Obama administration keeps coming up with proposals that sound like possible alternatives to nationalization, but turn out to involve huge handouts to bank stockholders.” Just in time: “Citigroup Inc. is in talks with federal officials that could result in the U.S. government substantially expanding its ownership of the struggling bank, according to people familiar with the situation,” David Enrich and Monica Langley write in The Wall Street Journal. “While the discussions could fall apart, the government could wind up holding as much as 40% of Citigroup’s common stock. Bank executives hope the stake will be closer to 25%, these people said. Any such move would give federal officials far greater influence over one of the world’s largest financial institutions.” Also Monday — since there’s room for things not called stimulus. Quite the lineup for a clean energy summit, from 10 am ET to 1 pm ET, with a press conference to close the day, at the Newseum in Washington. Attendees include former President Bill Clinton, former vice President Al Gore, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Energy Secretary Steven Chu, Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, entrepreneur T. Boone Pickens, and Center for American Progress Action Fund President John Podesta. From the release: “The half-day event will bring together a select group of high-level government, business, labor and advocacy group leaders with a focus on developing a plan and key guiding principles to lead the transformation of U.S. energy policy and to reduce the nation’s dependence on foreign oil.”  And a 2010 alert: “Nevada Senator Harry Reid will make a major announcement Monday about Nevada’s clean energy future during his address to the National Clean Energy Project. . . . His vision for Nevada includes a leading role in the clean energy revolution, drawing upon the state’s vast solar, wind and geothermal potential. Reid believes a clean energy future can transform Nevada’s economy and create jobs for thousands of Nevadans, while also reducing dependence on unstable energy sources, protecting our outdoors and strengthening national security.” Speaking of 2010 — did Sen. Jim Bunning, R-Ky., really go there? “During a wide-ranging 30-minute speech on Saturday at the Hardin County Republican Party’s Lincoln Day Dinner, Bunning said he supports conservative judges ‘and that’s going to be in place very shortly because Ruth Bader Ginsburg . . . has cancer,’ ” Joseph Gerth writes in the Louisville Courier-Journal. “Bad cancer. The kind that you don’t get better from,” he told a crowd of about 100 at the old State Theater. “Even though she was operated on, usually, nine months is the longest that anybody would live after [being diagnosed] with pancreatic cancer.”  (Justice Ginsburg is expected on the bench Monday morning for the first time since her cancer surgery.) We are confident that White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is taking all advice in the constructive spirit in which it was offered. Classic Rahm, courtesy of The New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza: “The stimulus bill was essentially held hostage to the whims of Collins, Snowe, and Specter, but if Al Franken, the apparent winner of the disputed Minnesota Senate race, had been seated in Washington, and if Ted Kennedy, who is battling brain cancer, had been regularly available to vote, the White House would have needed only one Republican to pass the measure.”  “No disrespect to Paul Krugman,” Rahm Emanuel said, “but has he figured out how to seat the Minnesota senator? . . . Write a f——- column on how to seat the son of a bitch. I would be fascinated with that column. O.K.?” Richard Clarke swings back at former Vice President Dick Cheney’s predictions about the likelihood of a terrorist attack: “He calls the charges by Cheney and the others ‘reprehensible,’ all about trying to gain political advantage and having nothing to do with anti-terrorism,” Bloomberg’s Al Hunt writes. “Should there be another attack, he says, their flawed arguments would be ‘post hoc ergo propter hoc’ — or ‘because the attack followed Obama’s policy shifts, therefore the policy shifts are why the attack succeeded.’ This is ‘low risk’ for Cheney, says Clarke, who adds that it’s a ‘safe bet’ that some al-Qaeda-related group is plotting an assault. “If you predict it and you are wrong, no one will ever call you on it.’ ” Burris watch: “Federal authorities questioned U.S. Senator Roland Burris [Saturday] at his lawyer’s office — a long-awaited interview involving his U.S. Senate seat appointment — the Sun-Times-NBC/5 team has learned,” per the Chicago Sun-Times. “Burris is not accused of wrongdoing but was questioned in the case that centers on ousted Gov. Blagojevich and his alleged attempts to sell President Obama’s former seat.”  The Kicker: “Since I’ve become governor I’ve done three cameos when friends ask me and Sly asked me if I would do a cameo. I said of course I would help you do a cameo, there’s no two ways about that.” — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, confirming to ABC’s George Stephanopoulos that he’s planning to appear in a forthcoming Sylvester Stallone movie. “You commie, homo-loving sons of guns.” — Sean Penn, accepting an Oscar for “Milk” with a call for the nation to expand gay marriage. Bookmark the link below to get The Note’s daily morning analysis:
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User Comments

In light of the present financial crisis, it’s interesting to read what Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
Banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

Posted by: beveryafraid | February 23, 2009, 9:04 am 9:04 am

Obama may truly want to cut the deficit and be serious about balanced budgets, but this even is all for PR. His team knew the stimulus would be fresh on people’s minds when they scheduled this summit last year. PR…
http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | February 23, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am

I’m glad to hear Richard Clarke spoke out against Cheney’s comments. Obama’s press secretary’s reaction was far too mellow. Gibbs should have cut Cheney up into little pieces. There was so much evil packed into every sentence Cheney strung together. To think we were one heartbeat away from having that fascist as President.

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Amy your right. One heart beat away from the fascist. Good thing you have the real fascist in power now and do not have to wait for the one heart beat. geesh get a life and grow up.

Posted by: Jim Rod | February 23, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am

Obama looks worried in the picture. Maybe he realizes the people are not falling for his socialist Marxist re-distribution program as easily as he and George Soros thought they would. Perhaps he realizes he is headed towards a TOTAL DIVISION of this country. He is no uniter. He is divise and ARROGANT

Posted by: holy smokes | February 23, 2009, 9:52 am 9:52 am

I wonder how the rich Hollywood elite like his tax hikes for the wealthy.
Obama made TOO MANY PROMISES TO TOO MANY PEOPLE.
Cracks are showing already, six months earlier than predicted.
Obama = one-term disaster for America

Posted by: holy smokes | February 23, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am

I meant divisive.
The only people supporting Obama are special interest groups and those with their hand stuck out.
Government doesn’t owe anybody a job, a house, a car – NOTHING!
Obama is a naked socialist Marxist

Posted by: holy smokes | February 23, 2009, 9:56 am 9:56 am

this is ridiculous of Obama to think that people are going to by into his craziness. If you don’t want the deficit to be high… don’t give out over a trillion dollars.

Posted by: jake | February 23, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am

Eighty nine percent of the American public is worried about the deficit. Which deficit? I’m worried about the trade deficit, budget deficit, the spending deficit, national debt, common sense deficit. Can you say 90% tax rates in five years? Why not party ’til then? Imagine all the people living for today. Let’s print and spend like there’s no tomorrow. You may say I’m a dreamer, but would someone shake me? This is a nightmare.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 23, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am

“If you don’t want the deficit to be high… don’t give out over a trillion dollars.”
I think Obama is trying to keep the economy from tanking by spending now, and setting us up for future growth and stability. I think its very responsible of him to realize that the stimulus must be balanced by future cuts and by letting the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy expire. Remember, he isn’t “raising taxes,” he’s returning them to the levels they were at during the Clinton years. You know, the last time we paid anything on our national debt.

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 10:28 am 10:28 am

it’s ridiculous for Obama to think that people are going to by into his craziness. If you don’t want the deficit to be high… don’t give out over a trillion dollars. but what ever im just a kids what do I know!!??

Posted by: shanna | February 23, 2009, 10:28 am 10:28 am

buy the way sorry Jake I took what u wrote!!!! I just fill the same way thats just crazy!!!!! but I sill love Obama though!!!

Posted by: shanna | February 23, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am

Amy,
you are not a professional economist, just a Kool-Aid drinker, right?
Congressional Budget Office said it would have been better to do nothing
You are a socialist Marxist, Amy, admit it!

Posted by: holy smokes | February 23, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am

Shanna,
How can you still love Obama? He is spending this country into the ground. Obama is an out of control Community Organizer with NO EXPERIENCE.
His lack of experience is showing badly.
How do you like 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan. I thought Messiah campaigned on ending all ‘wasteful spending’ wars?
Obama’s promises have expiration dates

Posted by: holy smokes | February 23, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Oh dear, Obama is making a mess and everyone is UPSET!

Posted by: Little Old Lady | February 23, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am

holy smokes
You aren’t a professional economist either, and the economists I have read have said the stimulus is necessary.
PS I have edited myself not to call you names right back, but trust me, you can’t bully people into thinking your way by insulting them. Try rational arguments. Based on facts. Then, at least you’d be respected.

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am

“How do you like 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan. I thought Messiah campaigned on ending all ‘wasteful spending’ wars?”
Tell me you’re joking. He’s actually looking to address the issue of…y’know…Al Qaeda and OBL. Ever heard of them? Yeah, well they’re in western Afghanistan and northwestern Pakistan getting ready to rain fire on you again.
Kool-aid and messiah? How original. Seriously, at least TRY to mine an original thought now and then. Especially, if you’re going to talk serious issues with people possessing an education beyond 8th grade. It is really embarassing to see people talk like that. It’s like seeing a kid with a giant booger in his nose.

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am

“Try rational arguments. Based on facts. Then, at least you’d be respected.”
But the memos don’t cover rational.

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Should the “Views Of The People” in the ‘Real World’ be of any interest, it would be best to use a credible and unbiased professional source. (The Macro-World outside the Blogesphere does exist.) PEW: 2/23/09;
President Barack Obama’s still ‘riding high’ in Favorability at 64% job approval. Only about a quarter (24%) disapprove of his job performance; 20% offer no opinion.
The public is evenly divided over whether President Obama and Republicans on Capitol Hill are working together; 45% say “they are not working together” while 43% say “they are working together.” Nearly four-to-one (61% to 16%), blame Republicans, rather than President Obama, for the failure to “work together.”
(34%) approve of the job of Republican leaders in Congress, 51% disapprove. Democratic congressional leaders are viewed much more positively; 48% approve of the job of the Democratic leaders compared with 38% who disapprove.
I guess you could say; “The overly negative views being expressed here are frankly, a “Real Minority Opinion.”

Posted by: bobj72 | February 23, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am

“Oh dear, Obama is making a mess and everyone is UPSET!”
Please explain what this “mess” is that he’s making. And no, “everyone” is most certainly not upset. Try at least reading polling data prior to speaking to what “everyone” thinks.

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am

Venezuela went down the same path we’re on. That country had a thriving economy, more robust than our own, an economy their leaders thought could not fail, but Venezuela tried to do more for its infrastructure and its people. So Venezuela borrowed and borrowed and became overloaded with credit until the world cut off her credit lines. Today it’s once again a third world country. So do you think it couldn’t happen to us?

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 23, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Hey, who stole my wallet?

Posted by: BlameAmericaLast | February 23, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am

here’s a stimulus package that will work. there are approximately 330 million people in the usa. give each registered tax paying voter 1 millon us dollars. talk about stimulating the economy. sales would go up, homes would be bought, and the people that actually need help would get it.

Posted by: sickandtired17 | February 23, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am

If you read what the economists are saying, they are all baffled as to how Obama is going to ever pay back this spending spree he’s on, and when will it ever stop.
I am in favour of any politician who is fighting against this spending spree. Bush has spent more then he should have over the last 8 years, but it doesnt give any excuses for this mess Obama is creating.

Posted by: Louisa | February 23, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am

“Hey, who stole my wallet?”
Well, I saw 13 billion dollars taken from your wallet and lost to fraud alone in the rebuilding of Iraq.
Then, I saw banks making huge profits off predatory loans and selling those loans in bundles with less risky ones to unsuspecting buyers. I saw the feds lower interest rates to encourage people to borrow money, driving up the housing bubble. I think your money went that away.

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Most importantly we need jobs for those who want to work. If survival mode kicks in, and it will soon unless a turnaround occurs, it’s going to get ugly on the streets, in our neighborhoods and even in rural areas. The “haves” will become the targets of the “have nots”.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 23, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

I want to talk about the Oscars but the format of those threads sucks worse than a 9 dollar vacuum cleaner. Who’s up for hijacking this thread?
I’ll start. I was very happy with two things…Danny Boyle winning for direction and Heath Ledger winning for supporting actor. The one snub was in Springsteen not getting nominated for the Wrestler, although both Slumdog Millionaire pieces are better. I’m also prepared to never see the guy who was the Millionaire host ever again. What an obnoxious d-bag.

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

I’m also a little concerned to live in a world where Mickey Rourke goes on Barbara Walters and cries about relationships. Where’s Obama on that?

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Y’know a movement usually works better with more than one person. Little help? Not so much as a Sean Penn bashing?

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

“Classic Rahm, courtesy of The New Yorker’s Ryan Lizza: “The stimulus bill was essentially held hostage to the whims of Collins, Snowe, and Specter, but if Al Franken, the apparent winner of the disputed Minnesota Senate race, had been seated in Washington, and if Ted Kennedy, who is battling brain cancer, had been regularly available to vote, the White House would have needed only one Republican to pass the measure.”
Oops…..hard to bash the Republicans for being partisen….When Rahm readily makes it clear they just want to strongarm everything through without opposition….
This is not the spirit of bipartision, Obama has been conning us with….Obama has known Rahm for years…it would be stupid to think they hav’nt had gleeful conversations about how they ‘owned’ the country….

Posted by: J Moore | February 23, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

My converter box lost the signal about a half an hour into the show, but I did see Penelope Cruz’s acceptance speech for supporting actress, and I though she was amazing.
I was disappointed there were no really outrageous gowns this year. I guess a recession calls for more tasteful dressing. I’ll never understand how the actresses all seem to get the same memo. Lot of off white dresses this year.

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Amy; Our money has also built some unimagineable tourist attractions for the ridiculously wealthy in the United Arab Emirates, funded terrorism in Saudi Arabia, and put us in an indebtedness situation with China. We’ll be fortunate to pay interest only on the money we’ve borrowed. Even without the stimulus money we’re going in the hole from over budget spending daily, even as our economy declines.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 23, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Thirteen billion is chump change these days.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 23, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

The Mickey Rourke interview was bizarro. You wonder how such fragile people manage to make millions of dollars for themselves. How is this guy not institutionalized? Actors are a special breed.

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

“it would be stupid to think they hav’nt had gleeful conversations about how they ‘owned’ the country….”
It would?

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

mmonroeliveson
Good thing there are funds in the stimulus package to help move us off foreign oil. Wish we had started the process eight years ago.

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

Yeah, Mickey Rourke is nuts. But he’s an intriguing guy. And the confluence of art and life in this role is surreal. It was definitely a little unsettling. I still haven’t seen Milk, so can’t speak to that, but it’s a shame he didn’t win. That said, I think he’s managed to navigate the whole promo/awards season in such a way that people will start giving him work again, which is cool.

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

I’ll tell you what…if Obama was really serious about this stimulus plan, he’d have thrown Marissa Tomei on a pole into the bill. If ya catch my drift.

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Silky
The paid Obama socialist Marxist blogger
How is it going, buddy?
How are the wife and kids?
Impeach Obama!

Posted by: Sam Adams | February 23, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

Hopefully, most people who are commenting on the deficit here and the stimulus package are, at the same time, conducting an in depth review of their own PERSONAL contributions to the “state of the economy”. Are Ya???

Posted by: chuck, Illinois | February 23, 2009, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

Your time frame of eight years is indicative of your bias against the last administration. The problem of fuel availability goes all the way back to ’72. Gas went from 39.9/gal to over a dollar per gal. Gas was being rationed to ten gallon purchase limits most everywhere. Many stations had no gas, others were only open limited hours, lines were blocks long. The price of virtually all purchased goods followed that increase, but wages didn’t. We should have been working on fuel self sufficiency ever since then. That was when our foreign oil dependency became an obviously risky shortcoming.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 23, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

I’m definitely going to see the Wrestler.
Maybe Hugh Jackman could help Obama sell the stimulus?

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

Amy,
NO ONE can help Obama SELL THE STIMULUS because it is all junk, all PORK
America is already smart enough to figure out the special interest package is not worth buying
Enjoy the $ 13 and tax hike for wealthy
Got to hand it to that COMMUNITY ORGANIZER Obama
He sure is unifying the USA!

Posted by: Sam Adams | February 23, 2009, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

chuck,Illinois; Exactly what does PERSONAL contributions to the economy mean? That terminology, that challenge has been thrown around a lot lately. We can’t say yes or no until we know what it means.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 23, 2009, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

“The paid Obama socialist Marxist blogger”
I understand that you’re not too bright, but at least you should be able to figure out that I’m not nearly politically savy enough to fill such a bill. The whole assertion of the existence of a planted poster on somebody else’s blog being paid by the Obama administration is so absurd as to border on a demonstration of a mental deficiency. Unless you’re trying to be funny, in which case, that might even be worse.

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

Mickey Rourke wasn’t the first, uneducated drug addict and won’t be the last laughing all the way to the bank off of others stupidity…..take for example, Rush Limbaugh…

Posted by: Denise | February 23, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

“Your time frame of eight years is indicative of your bias against the last administration.”
If Al Gore had been elected instead of George Bush, you bet we would have been further along in fuel independence.

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

“Mickey Rourke wasn’t the first, uneducated drug addict and won’t be the last laughing all the way to the bank off of others stupidity”
Huh? Laughing all the way to the bank off of others stupidity? How has Mickey Rourke done that? Have you even seen him act?

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

Amy; And if environmentalists had not entered suit against every company that tried to drill in the U.S. we wouldn’t have a foreign fuel dependency today.

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 23, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

mmonroeliveson
Ah, the old “Drill Baby Drill” talking point. Unfortunately, it doesn’t square with the facts. Any oil found in the US goes into the international pot, it doesn’t “stay” in the U.S. for U.S. consumption. And, in case you hadn’t noticed, China and India have a voracious appetite for oil. U.S. oil sources would run out in about ten years. Not exactly a long term solution. Furthermore, burning oil increases global warming. Wouldn’t it better to develop electric cars, high speed rail, wind and solar energy technology? Like Obama is proposing?

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

“Any oil found in the US goes into the international pot, it doesn’t “stay” in the U.S. for U.S. consumption.”
That’s what I thought the case was and was called out on it here a few weeks ago. I searched and couldn’t find anything to back that claim. However, I did find support for a similar net effect…it would only impact our dependence on foreign oil marginally. Very litte.

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

What gets me, is that we spent the last eight years waiting for Bush to do something, anything and now we have a president reaching out and trying ideals. What plan if any, do any of you have. Give him some suggestions instead of the riddicule.

Posted by: Tyrone Norwood | February 23, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Socialist! Kool-Aid! Messiah! Nobama! Liberal! PORK!!!
Did I miss anything? Has pillcRUSHer leaked March’s talking points memo yet?

Posted by: silky | February 23, 2009, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Silky
This from quote is from a Scientific American article on why lifting the ban on offshore drilling would not make the U.S. energy independent.
“What if Congress mandated that the offshore oil could not be exported? “The question of how much of that product that comes out, where it goes, I don’t think Congress can dictate,” industry rep Penniman says. “It goes onto the market. It’s a free market system…but it is up to Congress [to pass] the laws on what they will and won’t open.”
In other words, what is drilled in the U.S. is sold to the highest bidder, not kept in the U.S. (unless Americans are willing to pay the most to keep it.)
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=can-offshore-drilling-make-us-independent

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

Obama bows to the global economic empire and his arrogant dreams of securing a primary position in it for himself!
Obama is attempting to engender an idolatrous trust in Obama as savior! Remember Caesar and PAX Romana. :(
There will be a severe price to pay!

Posted by: aware2u | February 23, 2009, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

Amy; Of course it would be “better”. No one is refuting that. My complaint is about how we got into this financial crisis. It was in my mind triggered by fuel costs. It could happen again. Wishing we were green won’t help the present. The other problem is we’re gambling on conversion that may never happen or may not happen in time. Think what if…..

Posted by: mmonroeliveson | February 23, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

Silky,
OK, here is somewhat clearer quote regarding why drilling in the U.S.would not lead to independance from foreign oil.
“increased American production from offshore drilling would not necessarily mean lower prices for American consumers because oil is a global commodity whose price is set by global supply and demand.
“Suppose the US produced all its oil domestically,” said Robert Kaufmann, director of the Center for Energy and Environmental Studies at Boston University. “Do you think oil companies would sell oil to US consumers for one cent less than they could get from French consumers? No. Where oil comes from has no effect on price.”
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/20/new_offshore_drilling_not_a_quick_fix_analysts_say/

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

mmonroeliveson
We cannot drill ourselves out of the energy crisis. Who says this? T. Boone Pickens. From his website:
“Can’t we just produce more oil?
America uses a lot of oil. Every day 85 million barrels of oil are produced around the world. And 21 million of those are used here in the United States.
That’s 25% of the world’s oil demand. Used by just 4% of the world’s population.
Can’t we just produce more oil?
Consider this: America imports 12 million barrels a day, and Saudi Arabia only produces 9 million a day. Is there really more undiscovered oil here than in all of Saudi Arabia?”
http://www.pickensplan.com/theplan/

Posted by: Amy | February 23, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm

I cracked up when Charlie said on the news tonight that 65% of the people support Obama’s stimulus package. Why is the liberal media still lying. We all know that the only ones supporting this spending spree are those who think they are going to get some kind of free money from it. They are also the ones who know that they will not be tapped to pay it back either. The whole thing is just craziness. I hope I wake up soon and find out this was all a dream. More like a nightmare!

Posted by: Brenda | February 23, 2009, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

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