The Note, 2/6/09: Buying Partisanship — Will Obama continue partisan push — or embrace the center?

Come on now let’s do some honest reporting here. It is the GOP who is being partisan.
Obama has consistently demanded that congress work on this bill, and the GOP has made it known that they see success as the failure of the Obama Administration.
ABC has let us know that it thinks that Bipartisanship consists of total capitulation to the GOP.
Well Obama is correct, he was elected, and those of us who elected him expect certain out comes, and what you and the GOP can not understand is that the Government is a representitive government.

If this “stimulus” passed today. The people won’t get relief for one to two years.This bill is Obama’s payback to people and companies that gave him money during the campaign.Americans have lived off credit for years. Our motto has been buy now pay later. now the bill has come due and we can’t pay. The government is spending money we just don’t have. The bill will come due and we all will have to pay for years to come. NO STIMULUS

I voted for Obama but I wanted to see another plan to help the economy. We are broke and living on borrowed money . I think Obama and his team should wait a few months to come up with a new plan not just a stimulus plan. His team should focus on putting Americans back to work by strenghtening existing businesses (not bailout money) and creating new ones and cut spending. Spend money on that not just send a check. We need a NEW PLAN not the same old thing.

Hey Thinking,
I agree that ABC is very biased and believes that Obama needs to kiss GOP’s hand no matter what. Like the President does or should not have a brain or opinions of his own. He IS the President.
The GOP had their chance with 8 years of failed policies. The GOP put us in this situation, running the budget into the ground. So now they just need to take a backseat and enjoy the ride because their is a new captain who was ordained by the people.

After listening to his speech on CNN and hearing his DEMANDS I feel as if he is a dictator. How you can pass a $800B package that has now turned to $900B in two weeks is absurd. There is no way to just read 1400 pages in two weeks and say it is ok. This is MY MONEY which by the way is dwindling daily because of our government ran PONZI scheme. Taking our money to make government rich not the American people. Just people at the top. By the way who is paying for Pelosi’s plane? Us.

GoObama This is not bias reporting it is the truth and I guess you cannot deal with the fact that Obama is screwing up.

It seems funny to me that it was okay for the Reps to run up a trillion in debt for the stupid, senseless war in Iraq, but now, with our very future at risk, Obama is having difficulty with the same Reps. Amazing.
Basic economics states that government must spend to bring us out of recession and save when the economy is good. Too bad Bush chose to blow it all when he should have been saving it.
Reps just don’t get it…
tas

gobama; You just said abc is bias? You are right but not in the direction you thinking. They were in the tank for BO from the start and now they have buyers remorse.

Everyone on this blog, does exactly what the goverment is doing……
If we are doing it, what ever do you expect from our President and our goverment?
No one really has any ideas what to do about this mess. But the only thing we do have is what FDR did. It worked then. Everything that the Republicans have done in the past decade, just made it worse. Can’t we get past all of this crap and do what our President with all of his council have come up with. How could it get much worse?
I am out of work for the first time in my life. All I could get is Christmas work. Guess what, after Christmas and before New Years, I was back out of work again. My 21-year-old daughter walked out of her Lowe’s job a couple of days ago. They are re-arranging everything because of the economy and she is getting the short end of the stick. She is losing her office job with company afte working there 3 years, she is being demoted to watering the outside plants this Summer. I begged her to eat-crow and go back. What kind of crap is that?
I hope all of you Obama-haters have good jobs. Good Luck with that. Do YOU feel secure? I raised my four children working 18 hour days doing daycare, landscaping, doing alterations, delivering newspapers, any grunt job you could think of. I am 52 years-old and I am TIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am tired of the fighting and bickering between all of you MORONS! I mean democrats and republicans. NO one wants the president to be successful. They just want to be (themselves) RIGHT!
GROW-UP!

tom; I wonder how safe we will all feel now that BO wants release one of the masterminds in the Cole bombing. There is a reason for the war.

And to the moron who said that Obama thinks he’s king, get a life! That was Bush you refer to and I suspect are your glory days…
Posted by: Ginette43 | Feb 6, 2009 9:10:37 AM
Typical Liberal response, why do libs always start calling people names? Most people got of that phase of life in high school.

Scents of Roses: I’m sorry about your situation. There are a lot of people like you out there right now. I think this is just a source of venting. It’s also the closest thing to the outside world, mainly our govt hearing us, which most of us realize they dont. I hope Obama is successful and all of those people who are hoping he’ll fail, just due to bruised egos from their guy not winning will see the light soon. you take care.

All Obama has to do is come out and give the mandate “No pork in this bill” and it would be cut dramatically. I think the American people and the Congress would get more solidly behind it in that case. Cut the crap from it. This isn’t an opportunity for representatives and senators denied money in the past to get it now.
@ Thinking – “Come on now let’s do some honest reporting here. It is the GOP who is being partisan.”
Partisanship is one of the bases of our system. I fully support partisanship. Keeps the conversation from being one sided, regardless of who’s correct. Once we stop arguing about these things, we lose our ability to think critically. It’s just unfortunate that our elected officials continue to act in a way representative of my son’s day care classroom.

Typical Billy Bob type response, or should I say Bubba? Please…

Any reason why we can’t have a 3-4% interest rate for all who have good to excellent credit rating would give the economy the BIG BANG stimulus. Picture millions of homeowners refinancing at that rate and what kind of spending that would generate.
Picture millions of people being motivated and able to purchase homes. All this would stop the housing market from sliding further, bring more money into the economy, hence more jobs.
All this without any additional government spending. It would even help some people facing foreclosure, since their home value may go back up.
If we, the people that are still paying our bills and are holding up the economy do not get help soon, we also will go down and that would be a “Greatest Depression”
Karl W.
Woodstock, VA

AEK: If there are terrorists as the result of Bush’s invasion of Iraq, they were the biproduct of that invasion. There were no terrorist strongholds in Iraq, no matter how many time Cheney said there was. Iraq was a major mistake: a stupid, senseless war, just like Vietnam. If Bush had a brain, we would have settled Afghanistan, killed BinLaden and never, NEVER even thought of invading Iraq.
tas

Here’s a clue libs….take the pork projects out of the bill and they will come. American taxpayers are sick and tired of paying for the pork projects that you provide in return for campaign contributions. No More!!! Keep it up and there won’t be any taxpayers to tax!!!

Typical Liberal response, why do libs always start calling people names? Most people got of that phase of life in high school.
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And your response is what? Typical. I have seen this cut and past response so many times.

I fail to see how attacking is productive. I f he wants the stimulus bill passed so badly with bipartisan support, then why doesn’t he draft it instead od Pelosi?
I don’t get it. It’s still the same blame game.
A word of advice to the Obama administration, you may want to stop with the overexposure. He needs to speak when there is something that is newsworthy. It just feels like he has built a propaganda machine and that it his MO.
In addition, I applaud ANY politician who questions this bill becuase it is obviuos now that they fudged up the spending last on the previous bank bailout.
Furthermore, everyone I talk to is skeptical of this bill. Is Washington not listening.

It does appear that many (most) of the Reps are taking their marching orders from Rush.
Are you kidding me…
Rush represents the moneygrabbing, redneck, Bible-thumping bigots who think we should be living in the 50s…
Hummm… that pretty much sums up most Reps I’ve met too.
tas

Can all of you screaming pork, pork, pork, pork please provide examples? And please don’t cut and paste from somebody else’s right wing blog, because every time somebody does that it includes lies. My favorite being the two people yesterday copying and pasting a list that LED with $4 billion going to ACORN, which is a bald-faced lie. Don’t you all lose confidence in your sources when they do that? When you realize that they’ll LIE? Doesn’t that tell you that maybe that’s not a source that is trust-worthy?

A huge multi trillion dollar spending spree by the US Government should be able to most certainly to prop up the economy. President Obama is absolutely right. WE NEED A MULTI TRILLION DOLLAR SPENDING PROGRAM– MORE SPENDING THE BETTER.. Don’t buy into Republican nonsense! This is exactly what FDR has to go save our country! We need a multi Trillion Dollar spending package right away. These are terribly drastic times. We need drastic measures! What’s proposed rescue/stimulus isn’t big enough. Just this morning Paul Volker said so! We know this is very drastic…considering the colossal collapse republicans left behind! If we can find enough helicopters to fly around the country everywhere drop down bundles of cash it would be even better! I saw John McCain mouthing the same nonsense that George Bush did, for eight years. Tax cuts and more tax cuts for the rich! That how we got into this humongous collapse in the first place! Believe me Republicans are up to the same ignorant, partisan and dogmatic nonsense that turn America into a socialist country. But under the circumstances that Republicans left behind, we have no other choice. What we need right now is just like President Obama has proposed more spending! The more we can spend is better and we should as fast as we can and as vast quantities as possible! And only US Government is able to do that, because that Republicans have caused so much damage to our financial system by their poor, incompetent management. And that’s the only way possible to revitalize America. Pork or no pork, focused or unfocused, what we urgently need is more and huge amounts of government spending. All of that is needed to save our America from collapse after all the years of poor judgment and damage done to our country by the Republicans. Republicans are mouthing the same dogmatic stuff and trying to sound like fiscal conservatives, safeguarding interests of the people! Oh, my Lord, look who’s talking? All the damage done to our country over the past years, the same people are asking for same old stuff like tax cuts? I don’t understand what Republicans are all about. They are stuck in the same old worn out rut! All I know is their policies and ideas have ruined our country. After all the devastation done to America by the Republicans by their policies and their actions they are still mouthing the same spectacularly failed ideas! Boehner is saying the same stupid stuff like a trained Myna bird. We have tried all those Republican stuff and our country is not a Socialist state for all practical purposes. We know Republicans have ruined America. But Republican leaders like Kantor, Boehner, McCain, Kyle can’t help but to try selling the same snake oil to us Americans! We need government spending pork or no pork in huge amounts, to save our country from collapse!! America is now a socialist Republic thanks to our good old Republicans like John McCain. Remember those big investment banks, hedge funds? Where are they right now? Don’t you realize that America’s banking and financial system has completely collapsed? America is in dire straits─ don’t you still get it? John McCain sounded like an old broken record, with same old failed Republican solutions, which got us to this tragic situation in the first place! I am shocked by Republicans and some of their iignorance about America’s economic situation. You sounded as ignorant as John McCain! You have to learn more about America’s great depression and how we overcame it. President Obama is proposing to do is what FDR did to save our country for disintegration. I think she too is too small-minded to understand the scope of America’s economic crisis and what we should do to overcome it! We all should support our Presidents actions for America’s sake…! To John McCain I like to recommend you read and study what kind of advice that John M. Keynes gave President Roosevelt during the great depression. “Economic Possibilities for Our Grandchildren” before you open your mouth to talk about the America’s economy!

Obama takes aim at his stimulus opponents: ‘You’re headed for a cliff.’»
Tonight, in an address before a House Democratic retreat, President Obama issued a strident defense of his economic recovery package:
We can’t embrace the losing formula that says only tax cuts will work for every problem we face; that ignores critical challenges like our addiction to foreign oil, or the soaring cost of health care, or falling schools and crumbling bridges and roads and levees. I don’t care whether you’re driving a hybrid or an SUV — if you’re headed for a cliff, you’ve got to change direction. That’s what the American people called for in November, and that’s what we intend to deliver.
Republicans — and even some Democrats — have mounted attacks on the economy recovery package with a variety of superfluous attacks. Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA), for instance, said, “This was not a stimulus bill. It was a spending bill.” Obama fired back: “So then you get the argument, well, this is not a stimulus bill, this is a spending bill. What do you think a stimulus is? That’s the whole point. No, seriously. That’s the point.” (Watch the video here.)
UpdateSome other highlights from the speech:
– “I welcome this debate. But come on, we’re not — we are not going to get relief by turning back to the very same policies that for the last eight years doubled the national debt and threw our economy into a tailspin. ”
– “When you start hearing arguments on the cable chatter, just understand a couple of things. Number one, when they say, well, why are we spending $800 billion — we’ve got this huge deficit? First of all, I found this deficit when I showed up.”
– “Now, in fact, when we announced the bill, you remember — this is only about, what, two weeks ago? When we announced the framework — and we were complimented by Republicans, saying, boy, this is a balanced package, we’re pleasantly surprised. And suddenly, what was a balanced package needs to be put out of balance

This blogger (and that’s all this is, after all, a blog) doesn’t seem to be able to write a coherent piece – WHAT is your point? I think, if you’re trying to say that Obama is a ‘leftist’ – you’re really not looking too closely. The Republicans as a block will not budge on their “tax cuts only” stimulus. There’s got to be more. A tax cut is great if you’ve got money to save – if you’ve just lost your job and the bank wants to take back your house, saving $200 on your taxes is the least of your worries.

Democrat this and Republican that won’t do us any good. Look at what’s in the bill, then decide. Americans need to wake up and stop the bi-partisan bickering, we’ve had enough of that. Just because a bill is pushed by the Democrats doesn’t make it right and just because it’s opposed by Republicans doesn’t make it wrong.
Pres. Obama is asking Congress to rubber stamp the bill before any of them have had a chance to read it. It’s a large document. I don’t want my representatives to vote for or against anything if they don’t know what their voting for. We need to do something and we need to do it fast but we need to do the right things.
This is the largest spending bill in history, let’s don’t let it be the largest load of pork.

Democrat this and Republican that won’t do us any good. Look at what’s in the bill, then decide. Americans need to wake up and stop the bi-partisan bickering, we’ve had enough of that. Just because a bill is pushed by the Democrats doesn’t make it right and just because it’s opposed by Republicans doesn’t make it wrong.
Pres. Obama is asking Congress to rubber stamp the bill before any of them have had a chance to read it. It’s a large document. I don’t want my representatives to vote for or against anything if they don’t know what their voting for. We need to do something and we need to do it fast but we need to do the right things.
This is the largest spending bill in history, let’s don’t let it be the largest load of pork.
Posted by: Oonogil
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Exactly! Remeber what our grandparents told us? Haste makes waste.

From what I understand the bulk of the spending comes what 2-4 years from now. That is convinient when it comes timefor reelection.

“I don’t want my representatives to vote for or against anything if they don’t know what their voting for.”
See the Patriot Act.

Aiden…A stich in time saves nine!

More smearing of Obama at ABC News or we should say, Fox lite… what a surprise!

I wish I could vote again. Bush was excessive and so is this clown. I’m tired of politicians in Washington sticking to a set ideological agenda of excess instead of engaging in more objective problem solving. If there were a rematch today, I’d probably vote McCain – even as Sarah also scares me.

Here’s the Republican political calculus: The economy is unlikely to look significantly better by Fall 2010, so opposing the stimulus bill is smart politics because you can campaign hard against its failures.
Unemployment still high? The Republican plan would have had it much lower by now.
Homeowners still heading for foreclosure? If the Dems had listened to us, home prices would have been climbing by now.
That’s why every Republican is putting forth his or her own alternative, no matter how silly. They want to be able to say 18 months from now they had a better plan that would have had the economy humming much faster if only it had been enacted.
As such, they are political to the core, goaded by their spiritual leader Limbaugh, they will never allow their votes to be recorded in favor of this plan. So let’s get down to whatever plan can win 60 Senate votes, and move on.

I have to hand it to Obama for getting upset at the GOP partisanship. He has more than bent over for changes and compromise. True the Dems stuffed too many things that don’t belong in this bill, but let the Centrists scrub it up, approve it and move on. The American people demand that Congress do something! And that something is not the same old failed trickle-down economic policies of the last 8 years that favored the rich who took the money and ran. Where are the millions of jobs their policies were supposed to create? The GOP doesn’t get it. They lost, largely because they blew it on the economy. If they want a GOP-only plan, they’re dreaming. Screw ‘em!

“Remember, barry is the same guy who said “i had no idea rev racist was saying those things for 20 years.”"
Lol. Everybody else has moved on, dave. I suggest you do the same. Obama is not a racist and he does not hate American.
“$600 million for the gov’t to buy new cars.
$7billion to modernize federal buildings
$150million to the smithsonian
$252 billion for income-transfer payments (people get something for doing NOTHING)
$20 billion for food stamps
$81 billion for medicaid
$83 billion for the earned income credit for people who don’t pay income tax
$66 billion more for education”
Oh look, another cut and paste job. Who is doing your thinking for you today, dave? The new cars are HYBRID cars, which have many benefits, not the least of which is creating jobs for people to build them. Modernizing federal buildings has short and long term benefits, including jobs and making them more energy efficient, which will take awhile to pay itself off, but it will. It also sets a very positive example. I don’t know what the Smithsonian money is for, but I think it’s safe to assume that it was going through, anyway. The Smithsonian is America’s museum…give them whatever they need. We can’t let Amtrak fold. How can somebody get a tax credit if they don’t pay taxes. That is logistically impossible. They need MORE money for global warming studies, because obviously, some people need more than scientific proof of it. They need to pay Rush Limbaugh to get on board in order for the brain-washed to get it through their heads that this is real. Education is kind of important, no? Oh that’s right…the right isn’t fond of education. Because keeping the flyover states stupid keeps the elite wealthy Republicans in business. Educate them and they might catch on that their party doesn’t care about them, their money, or their beliefs.
dave, who wrote that post? It’s clear that the end of it was written by somebody else.

I can’t speak for anyone ele, but when I voted in Nov I voted for new ideas and a new path. My parents grew up in the depression and I remember the stories of how bad it was. I also know it was new ideas and a different way of thinking that got them out of it (FDR). The path we were on put us here, it is time to change course. If the republicans will not do that then this plan should be rammed down their throat for the benefit of all of us.

Hi my name is Silky and I personally attack people when I am confronted by facts that I can’t dispute.
Just watch, as I do it over and over again.

Silky
How else am i supposed to show that barry’s plan is nothing more then a liberal grab bag of worthless payments if I don’t cut and paste?
Are you really jack nicholson or something? You can’t handle the truth!
When any logical person sees what is in barry’s stimulus package they quickly realize that it is anything but a stimulus.

“Hi my name is Silky and I personally attack people when I am confronted by facts that I can’t dispute.”
Example, please? I know some of you have issues with dealing in specifics, but could you please specifically cite what you’re refering to so that people can know what the hell you’re talking about?

Yesterday Obama criticized the Republicans for calling the Democtrat’s package a spending package rather than a stimulus package. He asserted that stimulus and spending mean the same thing. Actually “spend” means to use up, to consume, to exhaust, to squander, to waste, to wear out. A “stimulus” is something that incites activity, rouses to action, or causes a response. This bill has caused a response. The response from the American people who our congress represents, and accordingly members of the legislature both Democrats and Republicans, is that it squanders taxpayer dollars. Many don’t think spending is the best way to incite activity in the lending industry. Isn’t that the reason we have a representative government? In a bi-partisan way they are doing their job as they voice their concerns and object to things they think are wrong. Not trying to start a war between the parties but isn’t object the thing the Democrats have done ever since they lost control in ’02? It’s the nature and duty of people who don’t agree to object. The legislators who objected then were right to object and the ones who object now are right to object. Best watch the opinion polls and listen to the people, Mr. President. That’s how you got elected and we were right about the bailouts,too. About the same percentage of the general public opposes this legislation as the percentage that opposed the financial and auto industry bailouts.

I just submitted a comment about five minutes ago. It was up only one minute and then removed it seems. Prehaps the persons editing the blog didn’t want the truth revealed. As I stated in the first blog, we are in a war of cultures here in the United States. The war is between the haves and have nots. Republicans for the most part represent the haves. Those who are 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation descendants of European immigrants who were badly missed treated upon their arrival to the United States by their own kind. Once they gained wealty, power and prestige, they begin to put their plans in motion repaying America for all the hardship they suffered. With one side of their mouth they say that America is the greatest country on the face of the Earth and with the other side of their mouth they say we don’t want government in our business. They constantly critize the government and work tirelessly to usurp progress of all Americans in this country. They consider themselves Americans (great Americans) while thinking of those who are not like them as peasants who must be told what is good or not good for them. They have inflitrated our mass communications systems and unashamedly speak evil of civil authority and our government. They are not team players. They do not respect the office of Presidency of the United States of America and are vipers of bitterness and sedition. They are seeking to divide this nation. Those of them who have wiggled their way into civil positions are not working for all Americans, they are working for their unseen agenda which is becoming more apparent everyday. Today’s Republicans do not have the same values as Republicans of old who were compassionate, inclusive, and genuinely understood that the USA is only as great as her citizens are. Today’s Republicans are vicious, without compassion, selfish, self-centered and down right hateful. They have a better than you mentality and for some reason think they are the only Americans in this country. They don’t care about the reputation of this country and they are doing all they can to try and make President Obama fail, look ignorant, and unwise. They will not cooperate with him because of who he is and the party he is affliated with. They will not cooperate with him because they really don’t care about all Americans. However, what they don’t know is their arms are to short to box with God (I am not referring to President Obama as God). President Obama is a man of pray and one who desires to serve for the good of all Americans. He has a servants heart and God loves that and God will defend and protect him. It is time we as Christians pray and ask God to remove everyone who is in civil authority in our country who is not serving for the well being of all the citizens of the USA. If we don’t, this country will be ruined, not by violant war, but by ungodly people with wicked intentions.

They have to vote on this today because more and more people are hearing about what it is and starting to balk at it. The more secretive it is the better. Wonder if his “post on the website for 7 day thing will happen”…BET NOT!!
You want stimulus, as an employeer but the payroll tax, and I could do that next paycheck! I guarantee my folks would spend some of it!

PAUL REVERE! Where are you when we need you? The Bolshviks are taking over Washington, all in the name of Stimulus and they are going to nationalize everything, giving to their cronies just like the communists did. They will make all attempts to silence all voices except the left wing and when they have enough people on their national payrolls, they will announce complete control and demand obedience. Where are the patriots to stand up and denounce this stimulus power grab of the democrats? Stand by and be quiet and America will be destroyed by these power mad communists.
Posted by: rockychance
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That’s right! I am ready for my hammer aand sickle!

Mims!!
I am a proud republican, who is fiscally conservative at home adn at work. I receive federal grants and am applauded by the feds when they see what I can do with the money I get. (Of course they say nothing to my colleagues who under preform).
HOW DARE YOU say: “”Today’s Republicans are vicious, without compassion, selfish, self-centered and down right hateful.”"
If you want to speak about congressional republicans that way…say that, but don’t lump the rest of us in to that.

Silky called me a liar and an idiot when i proved him wrong and he never apologized.
I told him that those are not very liberal and “open minded” things to say (being that silk is a paid liberal blogger by the barry administration).
Even when facts hit him in the face, he simply retalliates with HOPE! CHANGE!
Posted by: dave
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Dave you are being heard more than you know. Keep posting!!!!!

To anyone who wants to read more evenhanded news blog, here is the link to MSNBC’s political blog, First Read.
I highly recommend listening to Chuck Todd, he is very smart and politically neutral.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/
Bye, again!

“Are you really jack nicholson or something? You can’t handle the truth!”
Huh? And actually, Jack Nicholson is the one who said that, he was talking to the Tom Cruise character.
I addressed most of the items you cited. And how can anybody have an issue with Medicaid? Most of the beneficiaries of it are children. $20 billion for food stamps…yes, people are going to need those. In case you haven’t noticed, the unemployment rate is alarmingly high, through no fault of the people who are now unemployed. It’s not the just welfare contingent of the past now who is going to need the assistance.

What worked when FDR was in office will not work now because of CREDIT CARD DEBT! Democrats need to learn something, the last stimulus check failed because everyone paid their credit cards, there was no personal credit card debt back then.
This bill is full of wasteful spending and Obama knows it and needs to quit paying back those that voted him in office and deal with reality and what will actually work!!
This bill will not and the dems can take full responsibility for it and the last 2 years under their control that put us where we are at now!!! That along with CLINTON giving anyone homeownership whether they could afford to pay for it or not!!
You were warned of continued layoffs if Obama got elected and now you have them, with no tax cuts to offset his higher taxes there is no where to turn but to layoffs to offet them.

I voted Bush in 2000 and was tired of him by the end of 2001. I voted Obama in 2008 and am already tired of him. Americans deserve a lot better than what we’ve got now and what we got in the past eight years. I’m tired of the ideology both of market stalwarts and government control fanatics. Why don’t we mix things together — now that would be a new idea!

Amy
Your new name is “drive by”. You jump in, spread your liberal propaganda in the form of links, and then drive off.
Anything on msnbc is clearly unbiased (yeah right). Isn’t that the same network where the anchors were having orgasms/tingly legs when they first heard barry speak? Very neutral indeed!

You are right Nick….I can’t understand some of these people. Give Obama a chance…The media seems to be the one making all the mess also.

A single decision can have a lifetime repercussions. Time to think this one through. Thoughtfully.

Amy
Your new name is “drive by”. You jump in, spread your liberal propaganda in the form of links, and then drive off.
Anything on msnbc is clearly unbiased (yeah right). Isn’t that the same network where the anchors were having orgasms/tingly legs when they first heard barry speak? Very neutral indeed!
Posted by: dave
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Oh darn! There go those pesky facts again! DRATS!

“See I told you I attack people! Keep watching because I’ll do it again!”
Care to point out where I attacked you in that post, dave?

It seems like Obama wants the Republicans to roll over and say “Ok Mr President we give up”. I mean is that what Obama wants and is that reaching across both parties? Mr president we know stimulus package are for spending but come on bro. my wife will not get her valintine spending nor roses this year because we are spending our money somewhere eles that worth while.

How can Obama be responsible for the layoffs? He has only been in office for 2 weeks? Did I miss something? Bush blew it and did so over 8 years… The new guy is being blamed for everything and told he does not know what he is doing. Two weeks is not much time to reverse or address something that took years to create. The reality is he is in charge and the people made that happen… he deserves more than 2 weeks before he is labelled a failure.

Somebody needs a lesson in the definition of a “fact.”
“You were warned of continued layoffs if Obama got elected and now you have them, with no tax cuts to offset his higher taxes there is no where to turn but to layoffs to offet them.”
The layoffs have been in the pipeline since long before January 20th. And he hasn’t raised any taxes. None. In fact, he’s talking about cuts. Where do you get your information?

“If history has shown that government spending didn’t solve the great depression (WW2 did), then why do we want to repeat the misery of the GREAT DEPRESSION?”
WW2 *was* government spending. And you can’t say that the New Deal didn’t have an impact. It put a lot of people to work. Who knows how bad things would have gotten without it.

Somebody needs a lesson in the definition of a “fact.”
“You were warned of continued layoffs if Obama got elected and now you have them, with no tax cuts to offset his higher taxes there is no where to turn but to layoffs to offet them.”
The layoffs have been in the pipeline since long before January 20th. And he hasn’t raised any taxes. None. In fact, he’s talking about cuts. Where do you get your information?
Posted by: silky
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Maybe it’s because businesses anticipate a tougher economic climate with Obama’s policies.

It’s a stupid plan….. and both parties are to blame for the current problems!! America is in decline now, the polarization is what always happens before the crash..

It’s the essential fraud of rushing through a bill in which the normal rules (committee hearings, finding revenue to pay for the programs) are suspended on the grounds that a national emergency requires an immediate job-creating stimulus — and then throwing into it hundreds of billions that have nothing to do with stimulus, that Congress’s own budget office says won’t be spent until 2011 and beyond, and that are little more than the back-scratching, special-interest, lobby-driven parochialism that Obama came to Washington to abolish. He said.
Not just to abolish but to create something new — a new politics where the moneyed pork-barreling and corrupt logrolling of the past would give way to a bottom-up, grass-roots participatory democracy. That is what made Obama so dazzling and new. Turns out the “fierce urgency of now” includes $150 million for livestock (and honeybee and farm-raised fish) insurance.
The Age of Obama begins with perhaps the greatest frenzy of old-politics influence peddling ever seen in Washington. By the time the stimulus bill reached the Senate, reports the Wall Street Journal, pharmaceutical and high-tech companies were lobbying furiously for a new plan to repatriate overseas profits that would yield major tax savings. California wine growers and Florida citrus producers were fighting to change a single phrase in one provision. Substituting “planted” for “ready to market” would mean a windfall garnered from a new “bonus depreciation” incentive.
After Obama’s miraculous 2008 presidential campaign, it was clear that at some point the magical mystery tour would have to end. The nation would rub its eyes and begin to emerge from its reverie. The hallucinatory Obama would give way to the mere mortal. The great ethical transformations promised would be seen as a fairy tale that all presidents tell — and that this president told better than anyone.
I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a half weeks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/05/AR2009020502766_pf.html

“A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe.”
– President Obama, Feb. 4.
Catastrophe, mind you. So much for the president who in his inaugural address two weeks earlier declared “we have chosen hope over fear.” Until, that is, you need fear to pass a bill.

It’s the essential fraud of rushing through a bill in which the normal rules (committee hearings, finding revenue to pay for the programs) are suspended on the grounds that a national emergency requires an immediate job-creating stimulus — and then throwing into it hundreds of billions that have nothing to do with stimulus, that Congress’s own budget office says won’t be spent until 2011 and beyond, and that are little more than the back-scratching, special-interest, lobby-driven parochialism that Obama came to Washington to abolish. He said.
Not just to abolish but to create something new — a new politics where the moneyed pork-barreling and corrupt logrolling of the past would give way to a bottom-up, grass-roots participatory democracy. That is what made Obama so dazzling and new. Turns out the “fierce urgency of now” includes $150 million for livestock (and honeybee and farm-raised fish) insurance.
The Age of Obama begins with perhaps the greatest frenzy of old-politics influence peddling ever seen in Washington. By the time the stimulus bill reached the Senate, reports the Wall Street Journal, pharmaceutical and high-tech companies were lobbying furiously for a new plan to repatriate overseas profits that would yield major tax savings. California wine growers and Florida citrus producers were fighting to change a single phrase in one provision. Substituting “planted” for “ready to market” would mean a windfall garnered from a new “bonus depreciation” incentive.
After Obama’s miraculous 2008 presidential campaign, it was clear that at some point the magical mystery tour would have to end. The nation would rub its eyes and begin to emerge from its reverie. The hallucinatory Obama would give way to the mere mortal. The great ethical transformations promised would be seen as a fairy tale that all presidents tell — and that this president told better than anyone.
I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a half weeks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/05/AR2009020502766_pf.html
Posted by: Melsg
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What are you saying? You mean he can’t walk on water?

Obama’s payback to the rotten ACORNS -3-4 Billion for them in stimulus money that we will be paying for for years to come !!!! Then they can interfere in the next election. Obama sux.. Hillary 2012 !!!!!

I would just like to point something out to those who called the Bush Administration “Fear Mongerer’s”, which is hard to argue. The defenition of Fear Mongering is the use of fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end. The feared object or subject is sometimes exaggerated. Now, here is a quote from President Obama…”Without swift passage of his stimulus bill, an economy that is already in crisis will be faced with catastrophe.” That my friends….is also fear mongering! He and his party are using the economy as an excuse to shove this democrat spending bill full of pork down our throats and accusing the opposition of trying to derail the economy. Please dont let your political affiliation to one side or the other blind you to the fact that the president is using the same old partisan tactics despite his eloquent rhetoric to win the election. He talked bipartisanship and change while trying to appeal to the middle but has not done anything to back up that promise. Wasteful gov’t spending is not change, its status quo….stop being so ignorant and demand the change you were promised….the change you VOTED for!

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Did we not PAY for rushing the first BAILOUT? First the GREAT DEPRESSION, then the BAILOUT. Are we going to learn?

Larry! I am sooo glad I got a rise out of you. It is good that you have accomplished so much. I myself am a business owner. My family works very hard to provide a service to our community. We pay our taxes and we help others who are starting their own businesses, sometimes going without ourselves. However, our greatest joy is watching others flourish and do well. I am not affiliated with any party; I voted for President Bush,because at the time he seemed to be the better candidate. I did not vote for him because he was a Republican. I have an issue with people who divorce their spouses for political reasons and that’s why I didn’t vote for Kerry. I voted for President Obama because of his servant’s heart and his desire to see all people prosper. Things in the stimulus packet that doesn’t directly help people needs to be cut out. Education, infastructure, public safety, health, and fair trade are issues that should never be comprised in our country. Unfortunately, Republicans during their cycle of governing neglected. They forgot the golden rule, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” Wealth is for helping others. Why is that sooo hard for most Republicans who are in the media on a day-to-day basis; prehaps, not you, to understand. Conservativism if it is rooted in stinginess and greed is not Christainity as most Republicans profess themselves to be. By the way, why are Republicans expressing outage that Madoff could conduct a Ponzi scheme for over fifty years without bringing him to justice. Also, why aren’t Republicans outraged that Wall St. executives received bonuses based on debt tax payers, likeyourself and me, must pay? Why aren’t Republicans questioning the audicity of bailed out banks not lending as they promised to do when they asked for help? Where is the passion about doing what’s right because it’s right that Republicans often suggested they have a corner market on? Doing what’s right isn’t hard, but requires courage; especially, when those who should be with you are opposing you. I support our President Obama because his heart is to do what is right because it is right and that is to serve the American people (all of the American people).

jake tapper = obviously pouting ideologically spanked republican eating crow

“Maybe it’s because businesses anticipate a tougher economic climate with Obama’s policies.”
The layoffs? You’re suggesting that companies are laying people off because they’re worried about Obama? You are living in la-la land.

Mims – You must not be watching the conservative shows, because they are ticked off by the long list you gave.

“Maybe it’s because businesses anticipate a tougher economic climate with Obama’s policies.”
The layoffs? You’re suggesting that companies are laying people off because they’re worried about Obama? You are living in la-la land.
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There’s the silky I know. Another attack. Maybe he should realize that when people/businesses get scarred they hoard their money in anticipation of the worst. Unless of coarse you get a bailout then all bets are off and the spending spree begains.

Silky – Companies are laying off because they are concerned with Obama’s policies and where he will be taking us the next 4 yrs.

LIFETL: What kind of stimulus is sending all Americans a paycheck? Most people will pay down debt or save the money (2/3 did so last spring with the rebate). Jobs will not be created. Jobs are being lost every month, and this will continue for at least another six months. Most economists of all political stripes agree that a STIMULUS bill is badly needed, and soon. Infrastructure spending is the way to go.

silky I am laying people off because i have zero faith in Obama and the liberal dems turning the economy around. What kind of president comes out and says the economy is doomed if you do not approve a bill full of pork????
Posted by: billy bob
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Sorry but level headed thinking is not my strong point. CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!

This bill is a perfect example of how our Gov’t has been digging us deeper and deeper into debt for years now….it started with the government spending and spending into debt and that mentality spread to the citizens who now buy homes they cannot afford and spend money on gadgets and crap using money they do not have. I am thankful my parents taught me that you should not buy something, until you have saved up the money to buy it…..its quite a concept that we should try and go back to! We need to be cutting back on huge gov’t spending to start paying off the trillions we owe to other countries but instead we are using stimulating the economy as an excuse to spend more money on crap.

Mims
How do people like you not realize that the greatest way to cripple someone is to give them a welfare check. It kills incentive and destroys their sense of self worth.
Every country, including America, must have a support system to help those who TRULY cannot help themselves (shelters, food banks, clothing availible, ect). However, entitlements, which are barry’s entire platform, are something completely different. They are really like handcuffs. Liberals refuse to believe that.
Liberals have ensured their continued reelctions through entitlements. They create generations of poverty by spreading the wealth around.
“Ask not what your country can do for you….” has morphed into “I just wanna spread it around”. Very sad.

I voted Bush in 2000 and was tired of him by the end of 2001. I voted Obama in 2008 and am already tired of him. Americans deserve a lot better than what we’ve got now and what we got in the past eight years. I’m tired of the ideology both of market stalwarts and government control fanatics. Why don’t we mix things together — now that would be a new idea!
Posted by: JJO | Feb 6, 2009 10:28:27 AM
^^^^ this type of ” i want my cookie now!” childish attitude is why america SUKS and cannot move forward . the american taxpayer/voter needs to grow up and quit being so egocentric and selfish and simplistic.
YOULL GET NO COOKIES AND LIKE IT! you who voted for bush have NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS PRESIDENT…YOU ALREADY SCREWED THIS COUNTRY ROYALLY BY BLATANTLY SHOWING YOUR IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY ,I.E. VOTING FOR ANY REPUBLICAN…your place now is to shut up ,sit down and let the adults (non-republicans) take care of things.

It is better to have a job and consistant cash flow than a one time check. If you are not working a tax break does little for you. If you are rich a tax cut just adds to your bank account… you will not spend it. Spending money (stimulus) creates demand for goods, creates jobs to meet those demnds which in turn put more money in the system via purchases by the newly employed…. anyone getting this?

“Maybe he should realize that when people/businesses get scarred they hoard their money in anticipation of the worst.”
It has nothing to do with a fear of Obama being “anti-business.” These layoffs are entirely performance related. You think Citi laid off 50,000 people globally in November because Obama won? No. The company I work for used to be under the Citi umbrella….I was a Citi employee last year and the restructuring was happening all year long. You don’t just announce one day that you’re laying off 2,000 employees, let alone 50,000. You’re getting desparate trying to tie Obama to the layoffs.

“We did not elect a dictator who threatens us with disaster…”
Well you did, but it was in 2000 and 2004. Our guy now is sitting down at the table with all parties. And the disaster is right under our noses. He’s just telling it like it is. And who can blame him when Bush demonstrated time and time again that fear works.

Have dave, you realize you have my name on all of your posts, right? Care to put your own screen name on your posts?

“Maybe he should realize that when people/businesses get scarred they hoard their money in anticipation of the worst.”
It has nothing to do with a fear of Obama being “anti-business.” These layoffs are entirely performance related. You think Citi laid off 50,000 people globally in November because Obama won? No. The company I work for used to be under the Citi umbrella….I was a Citi employee last year and the restructuring was happening all year long. You don’t just announce one day that you’re laying off 2,000 employees, let alone 50,000. You’re getting desparate trying to tie Obama to the layoffs.
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How? You going to work at a museum? If it is performance related, how was your performance. That which does not contribute, contamintes.

silky If business thought that they might need key employees in a few months they would make an effort to keep them. Business has no faith in Obama and Reid and Pelosi turning things around, therefore record lay offs. It is only going to get worse because they are being proven right with this joke of a stimilus bill.

O, Really Shhhhhh, you really mean this?
[YOULL GET NO COOKIES AND LIKE IT! you who voted for bush have NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS PRESIDENT...YOU ALREADY SCREWED THIS COUNTRY ROYALLY BY BLATANTLY SHOWING YOUR IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY ,I.E. VOTING FOR ANY REPUBLICAN...your place now is to shut up ,sit down and let the adults (non-republicans) take care of things.]
Okay when are you and the other Obamamericans going to don the Brown Shirts and club everyone to death who does not believe in your garbage?
AMERICA IS NOT MARCHING IN LOCK STEP… WE HAVE VARIED IDEAS AND LET’S KEEP IT THAT WAY… WE ARE LOYALLY OPPOSING A FEW ITEMS AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SHUT Up!

Dan – “spending money” does not create a demand for goods! Having a product or service that everyone wants or needs creates a demand for goods.
Remember all of the “internet” fools who spent money foolishly after they received their first IPO. What happened to them after they spent all of their money and had no product to show for it? They went out of business and more jobs were lost.

The Note seems very biased against President Obama lately. Why does Rick Klein hate Obama? Why is ABC so biased against our new President? Very sad…

Have dave, you realize you have my name on all of your posts, right? Care to put your own screen name on your posts?
Posted by: silky
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This better.
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!

chattway The truth hurts, doesnt it.

The Note seems very biased against President Obama lately. Why does Rick Klein hate Obama? Why is ABC so biased against our new President? Very sad…
Posted by: chattway
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Maybe the media is finally starting to do thier job.
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!

Relax people. The Prez will do what Dems do best. Clean up GOoPer messes and turn deficits into surplusses. (See Bill Clinton) Just sit back and relax and let the winner do his thing.
Bunch crybaby righties :-(

chattway The truth hurts, doesnt it.
Posted by: billy bob
________________________________________OUCH!!!!! THAT STINGS!!!!!!
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!!

Jose: you send enough $$ to the people and here is what they will do: Catch up or pay off their mortgage; Pay off cars or buy new cars; pay off other debts: credit cards, medical, whatever else they have. Guess what the does in turn, it frees up other money to be spent on shopping and things like that. In turn that means money is being put right back into the economy. Consumers will start buying products, thus creating manufacturing jobs, sales jobs, and everything else. Like I said though, it has to be a good chunck of change though, not crappy $1000. $1000 doesnt get you anywhere these days thats why that bill did nothing. If they sent out the equal amount of this bill to the Americans that would result in a huge amount given back to the people. Think about it. Its not hard to understand. I know if I were to receive a good amount of money I would pay off what I could. Once that stuff is paid off, I could consider buying a house or buying new furniture (my used furniture is starting to show a lot of wear on it.) I know many other Americans that would like to update their houses w/ newer appliances or just go shopping. This all puts money in the economy. Oh and just think of the stocks that could be bought. Smart investers would buy stock b/c everything is so low right now, that would help as well….

Rick Klein is in the tank with Tapper..
It’s so obvious.

How do you get a paid blogger job??? Is that in Obams stimilus package as well???

What does Rick Klein define as the ‘center’ in terms of the size of the bill and proportion of spending to tax cuts?
John McCain defines bipartisanship as a $475 billion bill with 70% tax cuts.
Jim DeMint defines bipartisanship as a $3 trillion bill with 100% tax cuts.
President Obama supports the bipartisan coalition’s efforts to craft a $800 billion bill with 55% spending and 45% tax cuts and he’s partisan and unwilling to embrace the center?!?
To coin the phrase of Pres. Obama, is Rick Klein serious?

How do you get a paid blogger job??? Is that in Obams stimilus package as well??? Yeah Billy Bob, how can we cash in on these stimuli? ;o)

This post is depressing. So much hateful partisan bickering. Do you really feel like your much beloved political or economic perspective is worth completely discounting the opinion of others? What about the opinion of experts? Why not look to people who are schooled and experienced in economics and economic recession. Most (yes, most, read this week’s Economist) say that stimulus spending is a MUST, and SOON. The longer the wait, the more months the recession will last.
Face it, people, government spending on infrastructure is stimulus spending; tax cuts for the bottom 2/3 of taxpayers has been found to be equally stimulative.

These days republicans represent BUSH, failed policies, liars, cheaters, ever-eager to go to war, Torturers, criminals, economic disaster etc. Please Republicans, get lost, you are the enemies of America!! 8 years of a republican president and it becomes gloom and doom!

billy bob – nobody cares what you Republican scum think anymore, son. Why don’t you move out of your parent’s basement and get a real job?
Oh, that’s right – the GOP’s failed economic policies tanked the economy and now there ARE no jobs.
Get a life, you hill billy loser. Real Americans hate you now.

Obviously, I need more Kool-Aid. I just can’t see anything but PORK. Impeach Obama now.

Curt, I respect you and want to hear your side, but there are always other side… we need to be more centerist in our legislation… we cannot just have a man rule by decree… there are checks and balances

Voice of The People Your teacher is going to get mad at you for using the school computer for blogging instead of working on youe ABC’s.

Obama and the Democrats are way out of control. Pelosi says we will lose 500 million jobs per month. Is she serious? I think not. Do the math. Include illegal aliens, too. We still don’t have enough people to support her ridiculousness. Obama needs to step down or be impeached. He is reckless, irresponsible, and untrained. The American people were had.

I see the chimps just got their crystal meth shots.

Pres. Obama said on TV that the details of the spending in the stimulus package can be found in the website recovery.com. I have tried this site , which says that ‘ check back when the bill is passed’. This means the details are not available to average people for scrutiny or discussion until it is passed.

Obama and the Democrats are way out of control. Pelosi says we will lose 500 million jobs per month. Is she serious? I think not. Do the math. Include illegal aliens, too. We still don’t have enough people to support her ridiculousness. Obama needs to step down or be impeached. He is reckless, irresponsible, and untrained. The American people were had.
Posted by: I AGREE
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Please do not question our great leader.
Repeat after me:
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!

Last nights presidential address was pathetic. It sounded like it had a laugh track. Does Obama have any class whatsoever it doesnt seem like it. If the bailout is so important whay was every other sentence a joke. We have an unqaulified man in office and I hope he wakes up soon and starts acting like a president.

I voted for Obama, too! But I did not vote for this enormous PORK BILL. This is offensive and obscene. And Obama and Pelosi are DEMANDING it pass NOW. Why don’t they publish all the DETAILS FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE!
I can’t believe I voted for Obama! BO STINKS.

For you morons that bicker between the policies of the Republicons vs Demorats. There is not difference. They are controlled by big business and don’t follow the constitution. And the difference that you fight about will NEVER change and will make no difference. Obamas 700 billion waste of money or the 700 billion Bush wasted. We should never reward failure. I thought we were smarter than that!

Anthony, I completely agree with you, im not saying there aren’t or shouldn’t be other sides. I’m saying just bc you are of a certain affiliation you cant just blindly agree with everything they say. I tend to lean toward a lot of Republican policies when it comes to small government and taxation, but dont like that the party is held hostage by religion. People just need to realized both sides have flaws and just bc an opinion comes from a republican or a democrat doesn’t make it inherently right or wrong.

Hello America. You were told Obama is a radical Marxist Chicago thug. What a joke his stimulus has turned out to be.
Silky, what a great American you are, aren’t you?
You should be so proud of Obama and his PORK. Obama PORK! No earmarks?
No lobbyists (17) in his government?
You are an awesome propaganda machine Silky.
Go Obama! Go Obama! Impeach Yourself!

“Pelosi says we will lose 500 million jobs per month. Is she serious? I think not. Do the math. Include illegal aliens, too. We still don’t have enough people to support her ridiculousness.”
Considering there are just over 300 million people in the US, I think it’s safe to say that she meant 500,000.

“Think things thru… QUESTION AUTHORITY!”
My God, if only people felt this way under the last guy.

This is not a “stimulus” bill; it’s a rape of the treasury to pay off Obama’s parasitic constituents and left wing supporters. Conservatives, Independents and even Democrats had better engage their brains and think before they sell their liberties for a pathetic nanny state.

Good morning all you people out there in cyberspace. Welcome again to the Dave and Silky show. Don’t go away, we’ll be right back after this brief message…Give it up guys! Dave, you’re presenting your slant well. Silky, is your company really under the Citicorp umbrella and a fortune 500 company at the same time? Imagine that. Won’t last for long. Too much lost productivity.

If this were indeed a stimulus bill and not a spending bill, it wouldn’t be having the problems passing that it does. Too many don’t know, or don’t care, about the difference. For years people have lived outside of their means, especially politicians no matter what side they’re on. It’s time everyone takes responsibility for their own actions. If you have to eat beans and rice to make it through, do so. Much of America could benefit from a change in diet anyway, which in turn would solve many of the financial problems. It’s long past time that people quit whining about how bad they’ve got it and take responsibility for themselves. If your parents didn’t teach you that, you got ripped off.

Obama comes from a “one-party” environment (IL/Chicago politics). It’s a big adjustment for someone whose only experience is with a “one-party-rules-it-all” system to figure out how to be bipartisan. This business is all new to him, he can’t figure it out, and IT SHOWS.

Yes… “Think things thru… QUESTION AUTHORITY!”
My God, if only people felt this way under the last guy.
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I was thinking it, when I said it here as well. But I RESPECTED the former President; and I desire to have respect for President Obama… but he needs to be more centered… there are too many in the center for him to ignore.

Obama is a fool. He was only elected because the news media decided it should be him. These policies are going to ruin our nation. Cheney was right on with what he said the other day….

THINKING: You state: “Well Obama is correct, he was elected, and those of us who elected him expect certain out comes, and what you and the GOP can not understand is that the Government is a representitive government”………..Well, the GOP in DC were ALSO elected. They have their own constituents to represent, who also expect certain outcomes.

the emperor hasith no clothes. this guy is trying to bull us over via holloywood ,tv , media etc. were not buying it as most people have quiclkly figured out thatnancy pelosi will tarnish this president and she has to step aside for the good of the country.i would love to be in the room when obama spins his tale of how he dissmissed charge against a terrorist, i never have any one crash and burn so quickly,maybe its just the way he is and were now figuring out that he is an amateur.
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Drats! I’ve been found out. Wiat let me click my heals and say “there’s no place home”
Repeat after me:
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!!

I want the items in the package that is not going to help create/keep jobs. Find out who is adding pet projects to this bill and call them out on it.
We do not need to give any more money to big banks…support the smaller community ones that are actually lending money, small business, companies that will remain in the US, groups like Housing Assistance Recovery Program in Somerset NJ(www.fbcsomerset.com)and close our borders…no more immigrants until the US gets back on track.

Let me get this straight – Obama spends most of last week talking and listening to the house GOP and they turn around and reward this with not a single vote and now Rick Klein is accusing Obama of being too partisan?
Are you freaking kidding me?
Ask yourself this: where was so-called Republican “bipartisanship” when the Dems were in the minority?
Face it – today’s GOP doesn’t know the meaning of the word bipartisanship. These clowns came up in the most partisan party in modern American history and they simply do not know how to compromise.
I’m sick and tired of America being held hostage by this small minority of hyperpartisan Republican ideologues who don’t understand the art of political compromise.
Obama should exercise his very real mandate from the American people and roll right over these Republican extremists and obstructionists.
America wants results and progress – not temper tantrums from the minority GOP!

Jax, the messiah is hardly a dictator (to remind you, we have 3 arms of our government that keep everything in check, no need for a demagogue)
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I would only remind you that it would be high folly to look at Obama as the “messiah”… and in fact we have almost no checks a balances left, when the supreme court is packed with Obamidealogues.
Sorry, he is far from being anything but a pseudo-messiah.
He is the elected President, and he will have to put up with the like of a loyal opposition, unless he plans to get rid of us somehow… the 1st ammendment is still alive Jax… please and thanks

Pistol Pete – you outta check out Chicago, where the Dems hold the entire city/county/state in their control.

Silky; Seems the Democrats have confused thousands and millions with billions and trillions in every way imagineable. They don’t seem to understand the magnitude of the numbers they’re throwing around so loosely. Five hundred thousand jobs amounts to about 1% of the jobs. Half a million sounds even worse.That’s a lot but it sounds much worse when they call it half a million instead of 1%. It’s a way of expressing CATASTROPHIC, I’m telling you, it’s CATASTROPHIC. At the same time they only want to SPEND 1 trillion. So small an amount…it’s 100,000 millions of dollars they are proposing to spend.

“and in fact we have almost no checks a balances left, when the supreme court is packed with Obamidealogues.”
The Supreme Court is as balanced right now as it’s ever been. 4 left, 4 right, one down the middle.

We are trillions of dollars in debt due to the previous administration’s policy of generating wars that have gone nowhere and have allowed the US economy to collapse. Yet, our elected officials are balking at the idea of an $800 billion “stimulus” plan that may help stimulate the economy? Why are they even considering any hesitation? Time is of the essence here. The longer we take in making this important decision, the longer it will take the US economy to recover. When TARP was quickly approved by both parties, we did not have the bickering we have now. Yet, we don’t even know how TARP dollars were spent. Had we placed some strong guidelines in TARP, don’t you think the economy might be moving in a different direction? Why did Paulson and Bernanke not think of wanting to know how that money was going to be spent? Was it because it was pay-off for their banking and financial buddies? For Republicans and their “conservative” buddies to question the current administration’s steps of trying to help OUR economy only smacks of their own interests. Don’t you think if the previous administration and cronies had been truly “conservative”, the economy would not be suffering now? We can all go on and on with our ideas and opinions, but what EVERYONE needs to do is support the current administration. If this plan is not successful, we will have elections in 4 years where we can make changes AGAIN. Republicans need to learn to support when they are NOT in power. The American people need to remember we should vote ALL elected officials out when they perform poorly or no later than 2 elections. Can ANYONE OR SHOULD ANYONE question a bill’s contents? Absolutely and we should be ever mindful of how we spend hard earned dollars and not spend on “pork” projects, but we also need to know when to support the “Team”. That’s the beauty of our democracy.

“and in fact we have almost no checks a balances left, when the supreme court is packed with Obamidealogues.”
The Supreme Court is as balanced right now as it’s ever been. 4 left, 4 right, one down the middle.
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Let us pray it remains that way silky…;o)

DON’T STIMULATE ME! My wife and I are retired and starting to build a new home. Lumber prices haven’t been this low since the seventies! Building suppliers are clamoring for our business! The big box stores are offering us huge discounts! Prices are continuing to fall! We don’t want to see a return of high prices. Let things fall! Trades people are asking too much for their services and only now are starting to come down. Let the economy tank so wages and prices of goods drop to where they were 10-15 years ago.

Mr. Reid/Obama – There is a way to fix it. Consumers are paying way too too much interest on their credit cards. These credit card companies are taking consumers money. Explain this to me Mr. Reid– When I pay my car payment of $1,000.00 per month tell me why is it that $500.00 of it goes to interest alone. Not to mention my other credit cards which is the same case. Half of the payments go to interest. That’s $500.00 plus less per month I have to spend. If you stop these companies from doing this to consumers, we will have money to spend and we won’t need a bailout at all! If you don’t fix this then our economic situation is only going to get worse and this bailout will only be a temporary bandaide! These credit card companies should only make a small profit. We, the consumers have no money! REGULATE these credit card/loan companies NOW before it’s too late. Then add the other goodies like rebuliding our schools, reform medical insurance, solar energy, global warming, etc.

Republicans need to get out of the way….They were in power for eight years and it was their policies that proved to be catastrophic requiring drastic action now…Instead Republicans continue to be idealogues. The hell with them. Pass the bill without them.

Say No To Socialism – it might be easier for the rest of us to take you wingnuts’ whines about fiscal responsiblity more seriously if the GOP had actually exercise some fiscal responsibility while you actually held power.
Instead we got 8 years of Republican pork and costly, unecessary wars under Bush.
Sorry, but in light of the GOP’s economic track record , it’s hard to take your whining as anything other than sour grapes.
Meanwhile, the rest of America gave Obama a clear mandate to fix the economy. Get with the program already.

Who is more less likely to think for themselves? Could it possibly be dittoheads, ya think? lol I have soooo much time on my hands to listen to some uninformed, ignorant idiot like Limbaugh who has NEVER been right! Why do rightwingnuts have so many call in radio programs? Can their hosts not find work elsewhere or are their mindsets similar to that of Joe The Plumber? I know nothing, have never done anything, YET I have all the answers. LOL

Silky; Hope I made my point. 100,000 millions of dollars added to the national debt. We’ve already done that once over the last two months and there’s anothe hit coming Monday under the name of Economic Stabilization Bill. Our national debt is about to increase by almost 1/3 in three months time if Pelosi, Reid, Geithner and Obama get their way. All this and it’s without guarantee of results.

Why are you obama bloggers so bothered by rush limbaugh???? I dont get it. A percentage of GOP supporters listen to him and agree with him, but i for one have never listened to his show. You are just giving him a grand status and making him LOTS and LOTS of money by mentioning him all the time. Now some of us are actually keen to see what he’s on about that your all so upset by ?

Kim Coates…typical liberal, right to the name calling. You show me one thing in this bill that will take care of our economy. By the way, it was all the people that got into homes they couldn’t afford, maxed out their credit cards etc…that is no the govts fault. We did this to ourselves and there is no way Obama and his croonies should be given a blank check!

Indy_voter – The republicans controlled the EXECUTIVE branch for the last eight years; the Democrats controlled the House and Senate – or the LEGISLATIVE branch for two of the last eight years. The DEMOCRATS controlled Congress in 2006 – NOT the Republicans, however, both parties are to blame for this mess. Barney Frank, George Bush, Chris Dodd…yeh, all of them. I see you support this bill. Why? What part of this bill actually stimulates the economy? What part of it actually create REAL jobs? I don’t see it in this bill…it simply spends money on frivilous projects – 400M for contraception? Millions for resodding the Washington mall? This is a HUGE waste of money. So I think the GOP should stand up and STOP this Obama-nation. Pun intended.

Anthony…I would only remind you that it would be high folly to look at Obama as the “messiah”… and in fact we have almost no checks a balances left, when the supreme court is packed with Obamidealogues.
Sorry, he is far from being anything but a pseudo-messiah.
He is the elected President, and he will have to put up with the like of a loyal opposition, unless he plans to get rid of us somehow… the 1st ammendment is still alive Jax… please and thanks
Obama is not the messiah and I do not ever refer to him (or anyone with any liking of a messiah) as such. The 1st amendment abstains from insipid rhetor of the first order. The center is no longer a viable acclimation if the right repudiates containment of ideology. They no more want this stimulus package then they do your messiah.

This is a government growth stimulus and only vaguely an economic stimulus bill. It deserves to be ditched in the interests of the American People.

Fixing schools (materiala and labor), bridges, electrical grids, hybrid cars, all require material and labor. The demand for those products and the snowball effect it will create starts with spending.

Everybody relax. The bill will pass, it will do its intended job and we will begin to feel the effects at the end of Q2. There will be an agreement for holding illiquid assets and credit markets will free up. Life will go on.

Do Republicans have any actual new ideas to offer, or just their usual obstructionism and partisanship?
If you ask me, the GOP are a bunch of economic saboteurs who not only destroyed our economy, but now want to impede our recovery out of sheer spite.
Some of their leaders like Rush Limbaugh have already stated openly that they’re rooting against Obama and our economic recovery!
It’s unbelievable! Obama needs to stop reaching out to these sabotuers and start playing hardball. He needs to shove this stimulus down their throats and shame them for all the damage their failed economic policies have already caused.
The Republican party does NOT work for our country’s best interest, and they would rather sabotage our economy than let a Democrat fix it.
I say the hell with all Republicans once and for all!

To JWW322:
I do listen to conservatives, because I think if you want to know what someone is thinking listen to them talk. Not only should you listen to what they are saying, you should listen for what they are not saying, look at how they are saying it, and why they are saying it. Consider the circumstances and research the motive. There are alot of things conservatives are saying, but there are a lot of things they are not saying. It’s what they are not saying that bothers me.
To Dave:
People like me belive citizenship renders entitlement to a government that does all it can to ensure the rights of all citizens are protected, to help those who are in need, and promote prosperity and good will. You are probably thinking that people like me are on welfare; contrary to what you thing, I am not on welfare and I have never received welfare. My parents, African-American, never filled out free and reduced lunch forms for me to eat lunch at school, my parents impressed upon me the value of doing and being your best, and doing to others as I want others to do to me. I want someone, who is in a position to help me to do so when I need help and that’s why I help people who need it. I want my children to benefit from the good seeds (deeds) I sow towards others;therefore, I make an effort to do good and teach them to love and do good also. People like me, American citizens are entitled to a government that works for the least of us to the greatest for us and for the benefit of all. I don’t believe that is the genuine agenda of Republicans! Do you?

Obama is immature, arrogant and based on his recent cabinet appointments (“Tax Gate”) clueless. This fake stimulus package will be another “I screwed up” disaster for Obama.
Posted by: Benedict Arnold | Feb 6, 2009 12:20:29 PM
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Time will tell.

Silky – what about daily kos, huffington post and most of the MSN – they couldnt be anymore left if they tried, releasing their liberal propoganda for all you college students to go bazerk over.
I dont care anyway. I’m happy for Rush. he has beliefs and he lives by them. Nothing to do with me, but i’m glad your all so scared of his message, that is getting spread like wildfire because of the likes of you.

“Well this bill is not change especially when groups like ACORN and LaRaza are included for 5.2Billion.”
Seriously, who started this ACORN rumor? ACORN is nowhere in the bill.

Jax, the real Messiah will come in due time and replace all the leaders of this age.
For now, we try to work in the center… and by the way I do want the stimulus, but I want it to really be a stimulus and not some intrusive left wing boost for ACORN et al.
Ya know, elitism is not going to bring us all together, because elitists only belieev they are the intelligent beings.
I am sad by all of this conflab!
I am happy to be 62 and going on the public dole (social security) so all you libs can pay for my welfare now… I have worked hard for it… so long folks… no more from me.
God bless both the Dems and Repubs… we all need to work together for the best for ALL the people now the few idealogues.

Change = BO BO Meets, Listens and then IGNORES = Bipartisan

I THINK THEY ALL SHOULD TAKE A HIKE IN WASHINTON AND LET THE PEOLPE THIS MONEY BELONGS TO ( THE TAX PAYERS ) VOTE ON THIS PORK PACKAGE AND WHO GETS WHAT, AFTER ALL IT’S OUR MONEY!!!!!

Go Obama!
Spend, spend, spend if that what’s you want, Mr. President. Republicans are just sore losers who need to go away.
Go Obama! We love you.

WE are FINALLY in charge. Get used to it!

After overdosing on CSPAN, I have to change my evenhanded opinion of what’s going on – - – YOU REPUBLICANS ARE IDIOTS WHO WILL BANKRUPT THIS COUNTRY (if they haven’t already!) THE GOP ARE FULL OF ECONOMIC ILLITERATES. God help us if this party (which represents about 1/3 of the US population – - – do the math! all those empty states in the middle of the country have waay too much of a disproportionate say in the Senate), God help us if they have too much input in the coming years. THE GOP ARE IDIOTS AND FRAUDS – - – take that and go vote against the cap limiting banker’s pay (as they are doing). GOP = representatives duping their stupid middle class constiuents with GOD, GUNS, AND GAYS. Grow the help up, read What’s the Matter With Kansas, and educate your ignorant asses.

Do conservatives have any new ideas to offer? Or are they just going to keep clinging to their failed ideology of tax cuts and deregulation?
I’m a moderate and it’s clear that the GOP took the conservative deregulatory philosophy far too far and trashed our economy.
Now it’s time to go the other way and pump some cash back into the economy. By all reasonable estimates, Obama’s spending bill is the right thing to do – and maybe we should even be spending more.
In my opinion, neither Keynsian style big government NOR Friedman style lassiez-faire is the answer by themselves. They’re both tools in a smart government’s economic arsenal. We’ve gone overboard on the Friedman style dergulation and free market radicalism in the last 20 years – and I largely blame this on the GOP confusing an economic tool for a guiding ideology.
Now it’s time to correct course and move leftward, and let the government’s aggregate capital jumpstart the ecomony again.
It seems pretty common sense to me, and I support Mr. Obama 100% so far. I think Republicans and Conservatives need to suck it up, admit their mistakes, and give our President a chance to lead.
This is no time for partisan sour grapes.

Look at the ridiculous hero worship of Obama. Anybody nervous?

Obama is in over his head and is not qualified for the job and it is beginning to show.

Us is Obama voters. You make us look bad. This bill is PORK. We should not have voted for Obama so quickly…

Obama’s scare tactics are pathetic. He’s trying to scare and trick the American people into supporting this pork. Don’t fall for it. His yelling and immature rant should be a red flag that this bill is only intended to help the Democratic party and not the American people. He’s looking more and more like George Bush.

“Obama is in over his head and is not qualified for the job and it is beginning to show.”
He’s doing fine. No President is qualified of what we’re up against. It’s unprecendented. But luckily, he has a very well-respected team of economic advisors giving him counsel. What is beginning to show is the gravity of the situation, not inexperience. And are you refering to what he said last night? He’s right. We are facing a potential catastrophe.

Mary; How about if we stop calling the detainees terrorists. How about if we begin to regard them as humans with all the rights of American citizens who are suspected of committing criminal acts, specifically, supporting terrorist activities and/or conspiring to commit terroristic acts. Wouldn’t that put things in perspective and cut to the chase? I subscribe to the idea that trespassers should be persecuted and survivors should be violated.

Arrogance and gree + tax cheats and lobbyists = Obama’s administration

If it is said that “Rush” is the new leader of the republican party, does that also mean “Mike Malloy” is the new leader of the left? Fact is, neither of these guys is the leader of any party. They’re talk show hosts. Their success/failure should be evident by the size of their audience. I will tell you, one has audience members more likely to buy tickets to a spaceship hiding in a comet’s tail than the other. Any guess’ as to which one?

YES WE CAN’t! Letting go terrorists while trying to dupe Americans into supporting this fraud, PORK “RESCUE” BILL? Wait until a mushroom cloud appears over one of our cities as the Liberals will still have lawyers showing up first, instead of first responders!

The economy is like water, will seek it’s own level. However, right now it’s like an old car. Government = battery, Work Force = fuel.. Let’s not jump start (stimulus package)the vehicle with out first making sure there is fuel (jobs) to maintain it once we get it going.. Debt upon debt can’t be correct.. let’s not fall in a “Hadrian Complex”.. Peace Everyone

“Us is Obama voters. You make us look bad. This bill is PORK. We should not have voted for Obama so quickly…”
This bill is some pork. And if you’re now regretting that you voted for him, do you really think you’re qualified to speak for “Obama voters?”

Luke – YAWN. Nobody is going to buy you Republican’s whining about Obama’s “scare tactics” after Cheney’s pathetic scaremongering tirade the other day.
Maybe you damn Republicans should shut the f! up and examine your OWN behavior before you start ragging on Obama?
Remember, Obama won in a landslide. He has a clear mandate for change and the American people back him overwhelmingly.
All you Republicans have is a clear mandate to shut the f! up and contemplate your failure and disgrace quietly.
Maybe you should think about that before you go mouthing off about Obama?

Interested08; I think you’ll find most of this bill is Tim Geithner’s ideas. Next weeks economic stabilization legislation is likewise his ideas, but what does he care? He doesn’t pay taxes unless he’s being vetted. Time to step down Tim. Show us what an upright patriotic American you can be. You’re making our president lose cudos. Where’s the transparency you promised, President Obama?

Even Webb a Democrat found 100Billion in the bill that didn’t create jobs. But getting the best bill doesn’t seem to matter to the Dems as long as you throw a lot of money at it. Keep those special interests, women, hispanics, unions and don’t foget those who gave campaign contributions, all happy and rich. That is the Democratic game.

mmonroeliveson
Will the gov’t guarantee me to have a happy monday like they do in cuba and china?

I’m all for Happy Mondays. Because I don’t like Mondays. They’re icky.
I’d also like to go visit Cuba, so hopefully before it’s all over, that gets worked out.

Economists said, economists said – are these the same people who said we should extend credit to people who can’t afford the loan in the first place because it will stimulate growth in the economy?
Are these the same people who said Fannie and Freddie are fine even when they were buying up bad debt just so they could show an asset on their books?
Only Republicans are rich, unless they are former democratic presidents who receive hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign countries. Doesn’t that scare any of you???

Benedict Arnold – your screen name is apt, since you are clearly rooting against our President and our nation’s economic recovery.
If only all you Republicans were as honest about your treachery and anti-Americanism as Benedict Arnold.
It’s become more than obvious over the last 20 years that Republicans put the good of their party over the good of our country, and their toxic partisanship is standing in the way of our economic recovery.
Republicans are so full of spite that they would rather let our economy go into a full-scale depression than let a Democratic President succeed in fixing their mess.
Unbelivable that these Republican fools can claim to be patriotic Americans.

“By the end of barry’s tenure, you won’t need to visit cuba to experience how wonderful it is there, you will just have to open your own front door. FREE HEALTHCARE! FREE HOUSING! FREE COLLEGE! FREE DAYCARE! Sign me up! yeehaa!”
Are you capable of taking part in a dialogue and not burying it in hyperbole?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/04/cbo-obama-stimulus-harmful-over-long-haul/
CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
Stephen Dinan
Wednesday, February 4, 2009
President Obama’s economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.
CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing

“Yeah DAVE. Remember all of those Democrats who voted to go to war…”
…based on bogus intelligence that the Bush Administration KNEW was bogus? Yeah, I remember that. The biggest dupe in the history of American politics.

everybody agrees we need a stimulus bill, but only 1 part of this bill is stimulus. If you strip out stimulus and leave the pork, then you’d have a passable bill in half an hour – deal with the pork later, it has nothing to do with fixing the recession right now.
republicans are rejecting this and i applaud them for it.

When President Obama turned over the drafting of this stimulus package to Nancy Pelosi he betrayed my trust and he betrayed my vote. To allow her to shut out the views of those elected to represent millions upon millions of Americans is inexcusable. I am against
this package as it’s written; not because of its size or scope, but because of its distribution. If the main purpose is to stimulate the economy, then the bulk of the money should go into the private sector. It should go into the hands of the people, the ones who buy the cars, the homes, and the products. It should go to the businesses so they can become profitable and rehire their employees, and attract investment. To me this bill was drafted more as political payback for special interests than to solve an immediate crisis. And for this I’m supposed to agree to mortgage my children’s future? It greatly disturbs me to see the President retreat into divisive campaign rhetoric. I resent being referred to as an obstructionist because I don’t support this legislation. What I am is an American citizen, a taxpayer, who thinks this is too important an issue to be resolved by partisan politics. If the United States Congress can’t come up with
bi-partisan agreement that addresses first and foremost our immediate crises, and treats fairly all segments of American society, than whatever passes I will consider a failure.

Temper, temper Mr President. Relax, it has not even been a month yet. Just wait for the “Change” and “Hope” people. Listen, the Democrats did not even want to play ball with the GOP the last 4 years. Quit kicking your can and show us your nuts. They will vote yes or no.

nja – I made the comment, not schm. read my later comment about fear being used and how it is being used now.
I also agree with Dave’s comment right after that.
nja, mims and silky – do you honestly believe the sanctions were working against Iraq. The food for oil program was a joke and was used as bribery.
Here is a question for you: How did Putin, a life long KGB/SVR officer become a billionaire in 3 short years when he became prime ministrer under Yeltsin?

I don’t recall reading the word “free” in the stimulus plan and I don’t recall hearing President Obama or anyone other than Republicans use the word “free” to describe helping Americans who have been terminated from their jobs because of unfair trade practices, mismanagement of tax payers money by government officials, and policies that allowed business to make money off of Americans, but take their jobs to countries that allowed them to exploit their people so they could gain global clot. We all know that nothing is free, but salvation and Jesus Christ paid the ultimate price for us all for that. Therefore, if you are a Republican who call yourself a Christian and oppose helping people because to you it is giving people “free” opportunities at the expense of big business, then you are a hypocrite, because you accepted what Jesus Christ did for you freely. What if He told Father God that He wasn’t into giving salvation freely because it would cost Him his life. He knew that what He gave us freely, He would be given of Father God freely and that is LIFE! Think about it! If you still feel the same then stop being a Christian, because you became that way by what was given to you freely.

“…was wrong how?”
Because that’s not why we went. That’s not what sold Congress appoving it. They would not have approved the invasion without the bs intel.

“nja
Hmmmmm.. the British intelligence, American intelligence, slick willies’ adminitstration ect all thought he had WMD’s.”
The WMDs in question would be nuclear. And he never had them and Clinton never thought he had them. That is false. He knew there was a “program.” That’s a far cry from actually possessing WMDs.

Silky
Here is a quote from slick willie. He said things like this often, monica and paula just kept him too busy to act after he spoke.
You aren’t going to call me a liar and an idiot again, are you?
Bill Clinton-1998 speech
“Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation’s wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them….I know I speak for everyone in this chamber, Republicans and Democrats, when I say to Saddam Hussein, “You cannot defy the will of the world,” and when I say to him, “You have used weapons of mass destruction before. We are determined to deny you the capacity to use them again.”

What’s your point, dave? Clinton does not say there that he thinks Saddam has nuclear weapons. And he never even hinted at the possibility of a US invasion and occupation of Iraq.
“You aren’t going to call me a liar and an idiot again, are you?”
No, but the writing is certainly on the wall. So, by all means, keep bringing it up.

mims- 1st and 2nd generation Europeans here do not want government in their lives because that is what happened in Europe. It was called communism and it was an awful thing to live through. We will not go through it again. Stick to topics you know. European culture is apparently not one of them

Pistol pete
take that pistol and shove it up silky’s butt.

Siera7Grace – oh stop whining already. In case you missed it, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and the Dems were put in power by millions MORE Americans to do EXACTLY what they are doing. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of Americans are extremely angry with the GOP’s incompetence and obstructionism and don’t WANT the GOP to get their grubby paws all over this bill and mess things up again.
You goddamn Republican whiners need to stop snivelling and think about your OWN party’s behavior when you were in power. Where was your “bipartisanship” then?
Besides, Obama gave the Congressional Republicans plenty of time to voice their views last week. He went out of his way to meet with them repeatedly and offer real bipartisanship – and then those obstructionist fools turned their backs on him and didn’t give him a single vote.
So you can go screw yourself with your pathetic claptrap.

CBO: Obama stimulus harmful over long haul
Stephen Dinan
Wednesday, February 4, 2009
President Obama’s economic recovery package will actually hurt the economy more in the long run than if he were to do nothing, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said Wednesday.
CBO, the official scorekeepers for legislation, said the House and Senate bills will help in the short term but result in so much government debt that within a few years they would crowd out private investment, actually leading to a lower Gross Domestic Product over the next 10 years than if the government had done nothing
Posted by: schm
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How dare you notice the holes in the script. Remember I won!!!
Repeat after me:
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!
CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!

Jenna – I am a first generation European living in the US and I am appalled at the lack of a social safety net here in the U.S. Please don’t presume to speak for all Europeans living in the United States. Just because you come from more backwards part of Europe does not mean that government cannot be a force for good in people’s lives. Maybe the problem is that you come from a country where people are too cyncical and criminal minded to appreciate good government.

silky_is_a_paid_blogger: wow, what a typical Republican.
Just repeat nonsense slogans as loudly as possible without adding anything useful or intelligent to the public discourse.
Loudmouth jackasses like silky_is_a_paid_blogger are the reason that most Americans are so fed up with Republicans these days.

Why are Republicans holding our recovery hostage? We need this stimulus package now! We need even more spending! Republicans had their shot and they completely tanked the economy. Now they need to get out of the way and let the other guys who we ELECTED lead. Their obstuctionism is hurting us more every day.

“Apparantly, you do seeing that you think Obama’s plan is so picture perfect.”
Never said anything of the sort.
“Finance must have been your strong suit seeing that you worked in a company under Citi. I’m sure that financial institutions are lining up at your door for your infinate wisdom.”
I don’t work in finance. And it’s “infinIte wisdom.”
“Then a gain, why question authority when you have a good campaign slogan right?”
Mission Accomplished!

“Apparantly, you do seeing that you think Obama’s plan is so picture perfect.”
Never said anything of the sort.
“Finance must have been your strong suit seeing that you worked in a company under Citi. I’m sure that financial institutions are lining up at your door for your infinate wisdom.”
I don’t work in finance. And it’s “infinIte wisdom.”
“Then a gain, why question authority when you have a good campaign slogan right?”
Mission Accomplished!
Posted by: silky
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How “Bush of you” (Mission Accomplished) or should I say Orwelian.

I wonder at the people who are forced to resort to name calling and insults to make a point or to dispute one.
The stimulus bill is necessary to stabilize the economy. No one can honestly deny that. The problem is that the bill in it’s present form contains far too much pork. $50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts won’t help you much unless you’re a ballet dancer or a pianist. $400 million to study global warming won’t put a lot of people to work either neither will writing a check to GM without expecting anything in return.
The money would be much better spent to rebuild our infrastructure before more bridges fall into the rivers they span. Hiring more border patrol agents will put people to work and require GM and the rest to call back workers to build more cars and trucks for those border guards. $2.4 billion (that’s billion with a ‘B’) for Carbon-capture demonstration projects seems a little wasteful since no one can even tell me exactly what that is. We must not need it very bad.
The biggest spending bill in history has turned into the biggest pork bill in history and stinks as much as the hog farm. The money needs to be spent, but not where a lot of it is going.
Posted by: Oonogil
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Precisely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: silky-is-a-paid-blogger | Feb 6, 2009 11:23:45 AM;
Who could be so COWARDLY, CONFLICTED or just have that “feeling of being SUBORDINATE” that he/she would establish
his “USER NAME” as an extension of
his Idol???

Silky
I’m not sure what should have been pulled first but it should have at least been in the top ten.
I still want to know what a ‘Carbon-Capture Demonstration Project’ is. Sounds to me like somebody’s ‘brother-in-law’ hand out.
They need to tear this bill up and start all over. This time keep it on track, without pork and with both sides of the aisle working together. They know what America needs and what the American people want. We need transportation, energy, border security, education, water supplies and waste disposal and a lot of other things.
We don’t need a $75 million super computer for NOAA or $650 million to help people switch to digital TV.

They should list every project in order of importance, eliminate the bottom half, then double what they plan to spend on infrastructure. Add a small corporate tax cut (we have the highest corporate rate in the western world) and I think it would pass in a landslide – at a significantly lower cost. But what do I know…

To Tony and Jimmy:
Thank you for logical thought out suggestions. That’s what I have been getting it this entire time that I have been on the blog. The plan should be written in laymen’s terms, posted publically, and allow people to vote on what should be included the economic recovery packet. Prehaps President Obama should take a survey like this and make the results publically known and present to Congress a document generated by the people. What are your thoughts about this idea?

Jimmy-
The saddest part of it all is that this is just the beginning. One day we are just gonna wake up in the morning so we can just hand our paychecks over to the crooks and cheats we call our leaders.
This is a bad bill. I don’t disagree that some stimulus is needed. But this bill isn’t stimulus, plain and simple. I haven’t heard Republicans on this or any other site saying no stimulus bill at all, they are just saying not THIS bill. I hate to get all Kumbayaa on folks (sorry if I misspelled that), but name calling each other is only feeding the partisanship in Washington. If we can’t quit calling each other names, how can we dare expect the same from them? Most Americans are pretty well in agreement that politicians are crooks, and that goes from the Prez on down. Turning against each other because we have ideologies that determine a party we have more in common with, is counter-productive. If we all stuck together, as Americans to demand better of Washington, they will not be able to ignore us. None of them are working for you and I, they are working for their next election, and next paycheck from the next deep pockets special interest that comes along. Dems and Repubs in Washington are behind ALL of this. Not JUST one or the other. This same government (the same guys are in charge at the SEC as when Bush was Prez) couldn’t even “oversee” Wall Street, but here we want to turn over control of over a TRILLION dollars (once it’s all done) to these same people that couldn’t simply oversee what was going on on Wall Street, and cannot account for massive amounts of the TARP??? Give me a break.

“The plan should be written in laymen’s terms, posted publically, “
That should be done with every bill considered in Congress. The Stimulus Package is so lengthy that few if any on Capital Hill have read all of it. Even those who contributed to it haven’t read all of it. A simplified version or even several smaller bills should be considered.
Public vote would take too long and cost as much as a general election so it would be a bit impractical. It would be great if it could be done.

Jimmy-
The saddest part of it all is that this is just the beginning. One day we are just gonna wake up in the morning so we can just hand our paychecks over to the crooks and cheats we call our leaders.
This is a bad bill. I don’t disagree that some stimulus is needed. But this bill isn’t stimulus, plain and simple. I haven’t heard Republicans on this or any other site saying no stimulus bill at all, they are just saying not THIS bill. I hate to get all Kumbayaa on folks (sorry if I misspelled that), but name calling each other is only feeding the partisanship in Washington. If we can’t quit calling each other names, how can we dare expect the same from them? Most Americans are pretty well in agreement that politicians are crooks, and that goes from the Prez on down. Turning against each other because we have ideologies that determine a party we have more in common with, is counter-productive. If we all stuck together, as Americans to demand better of Washington, they will not be able to ignore us. None of them are working for you and I, they are working for their next election, and next paycheck from the next deep pockets special interest that comes along. Dems and Repubs in Washington are behind ALL of this. Not JUST one or the other. This same government (the same guys are in charge at the SEC as when Bush was Prez) couldn’t even “oversee” Wall Street, but here we want to turn over control of over a TRILLION dollars (once it’s all done) to these same people that couldn’t simply oversee what was going on on Wall Street, and cannot account for massive amounts of the TARP??? Give me a break.
Posted by: Jessica
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True, true, true!! Get ready for more pork on Monday when Geithner comes in with another bill.
Just a thought, wouldn’t it be lovely if our officials were held to the same standards we are? How about paying your taxes? I would love to see if the IRS would be so forgiving to us like not paying fees and interest. Before I get attacked by others here (which I am sure I will) this is a citizenship issue that connects us all. There are 2 hthings in life that are sure: death and taxes!

Woohoo! Ford announced they will manufacture and sell 5000 energy efficient vehicles next year. That explains the replacement of our current fleet of government vehicles included in the bill. More bailout money for Detroit and effectively the labor union votes. Obama asks why wouldn’t the American taxpayers want to upgrade to more energy efficient vehicles? Because we can see through the smokescreen, sir. The obvious objection to such an upgrade is the same reason we can’t afford energy efficient vehicles for ourselves. They aren’t cost effective. They cost too much.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson
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True. Isn’t it a bailout to Detriot a bailout to the Union? What makes their business more important than others? Wachovia employed more people than GM. Do GM employees have more rights than the rest of us?
If this mentality were around in the 70′s we would have had a bailout for 8track players. Just a thought.

To Oonogi:
Actually, it doesn’t have to be costly. Why in the world do we have the Internet, textmessaging, and telephones. People can go on the Internet and respond to a survey. An electronic monitoring system that allows people to respond to the survey once is plausible. I am sure some wiz kid whose brain is wired for modern day and futuristic technoloy has already developed a program that would accommodate the matter. It’s worth a try. If we, the people don’t insist our government works for us without offering excuses then it’s our own fault when things don’t happen for the good of all Americans. It’s time out for rhetoric and it’s time for action. It’s interesting how people agree a good idea is a good idea, and then talk about how it’s not possible. It is possible. Anything that we think or imagine is possible. I have submitted my suggestion to Change.gov and I hope they seriously consider it and act on.

“A plan by Republicans in the Senate aimed at pushing mortgage rates lower has gone down to defeat at the hands of Democrats. The plan by Nevada Republican John Ensign would have encouraged banks to issue mortgages with interest rates of 4 to 4.5 percent.
The plan also contained an assortment of expensive tax cuts such as cutting the bottom 10 percent income tax rate in half for two years.
Democrats killed the idea Thursday night by a 62-35 vote.
For all of the people out there asking for money because of the housing crisis, please thank your Democrat leaders for not offering you anything in this “stimulus” (spending) plan. Also, cutting the bottom 10 percent income taxes, is something that no American worker could’ve possibly used right?
Democrats killed the idea Thursday night by a 62-35 vote.

Posted by: RandallG | Feb 6, 2009 7:11:32 PM;
You said; ….. “Hey, it was fun while it lasted…”
I say; “The parting words of a True Troglodyte.”

This stimulus bill is a farce.Over 90 % of the things that are being asked for is pure PORK.There really isn’t too much to really help the people that are losing their homes and jobs.I thought thats what the stimulus bill was suppose to be for. Instead it is helping bail out all the big companies, to help them have their BIG bonuses.I think Pres. Obama should tell these companies to give the money back to the American people that deserve it.Look at Maldoff, no one is going after him, he is just sitting in his penthouse laughing.Our government is a pushover for lobbyists and elitest.When will they get somne backbone and demand as accounting for all our money being handed out indiscriminately.

Posted by: Bob | Feb 6, 2009 11:37:25 AM
“Bob,first off your spelling is atrocious! So I don’t know if your level of intelligence merits a reasonable response.” Aw… what the heck.
You say; “Does Obama have any class whatsoever it doesnt seem like it. If the bailout is so important whay was every other sentence a joke. We have an unqaulified man in office and I hope he wakes up soon and starts acting like a president.”
I say; “If your intent was to confound the participants here, you were greatly successful.” But your attempt at using the english language was a bust!

Posted by: billy bob | Feb 6, 2009 9:00:34 AM;
You said; “Obama thinks he is a king. This is not what America voted for, America voted for a functioning centrist govt., not a wild left wing agenda. Obama’s inexperience and niaveity is showing america is going to pay a huge price for it.”
I say; “billy bob, You’re an unreasonable, childish, loser. “Unreasonable” because you have NO reasoned rationale to assume President Barack Obama “thinks he is a king.”
And if you present yourself as an American who voted for a functioning centrist govt., That is Simply an outlandish LIE. (You DID NOT vote for the candidate who was closer to Center!)
You are “Childish” because you accuse others of ‘name calling’, when in-fact that’s precisely what you do.
And you’re a “Loser” simply because you supported the Palin/McCain ticket in 2008.