Upset About Detainee’s Pending Release, Military Families Call White House

Golly: looks like the “Obama” organization’s online army isn’t as mighty as the military’s online army.
In fact, Obama’s online army seems to be in hiding.

Welcome to Obama’s world.

If he was arrested, he MUST be guilty!
That’s how our system works, right?
NOPE.
WELCOME TO AMERICA.
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

Thanks Celtic- I googled Melody Morgan and Military Families United. She is a prevailing force behind the group and she makes Palin look like Little Mary Sunshine with her diatribes, and even surpasses the vitriol of Ann Coulter. I’d recommend reading her articles posted on the internet, like Obama, The Next Solvent Green.
With a leader like Morgan, it’s understandable, that another of the group’s projects is organizing against the ban on allowing the press to photograph military caskets.

Has this release been confirmed? All I have seen is an anonymously sourced rumor that this is going to happen. It would be great if he was, but dont hold your breath.

I only want to keep this piece of trash locked up for as long as the war on terror lasts. Do you think that in World War 2, we released our enemy from prisoner of war camps so that they could be free to kill more Americans? No we did not. Where is you common sense? You people who want to free this trash?

. Do you think that in World War 2, we released our enemy from prisoner of war camps so that they could be free to kill more Americans?
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No, Sandy, there were the Nuremberg Trials, an international system of justice for the high level offenders and the most dangerous. Neither did we torture, and the Japanese were prosecuted for waterboarding Americans, which its proponents nowadays call splashing water on the face.

The Pollyanna class of bleeding heart liberals will lead us down the road to the next catastrophic terrorist attack on this country…..take it to the bank!

“..the Japanese were prosecuted for waterboarding Americans…”
No Japanese were prosecuted for that activity alone; all who were charged with waterboarding were also charged with much more serious offenses.
Mr. Clinton’s CIA director has confirmed that the three men who were waterboarded gave up information that saved thousands of American lives. That’s good enough for me. Meantime, the current nominee for the post, Leon Panetta, has said under oath that in appropriate circumstances he would seek authority for enhanced interrogation techniques. Welcome to the real world.

I didn’t know the Taliban was signatory to the Geneva Convention Treaties?

I also find it interesting that both this group and ABC news chooses to highlight this as if this is the first person ever released from Gitmo. The Bush administration has released HUNDREDS of prisoners from Guantanamo over the last several years. Why no outrage over those? This is not some new innovation by the Obama administration. These prisoners can not be held forever in the absence of charges.

JamesCbuilder:
Taliban are human beings like you and me. They are entitled to Geneva Convention Treaties until they are proven guilty. Before that, and treating them differently is totally against the law!

well i hope those families continue to speak out about this and to speak loudly.
remember for a long time we had the MSMS and the liberals crying that we were holding innocent men there, so Bush trying to make some people happy released some men and in the end half went back to the battlefield to kill again. the msm and the lefties didnt care abot the outcome as long as they got what they wanted, close gitmo and relese the detainees. now Obama is going to learn the hard way tht you can not please the lefties. real Americans will speak up and speak loudly

“I didn’t know the Taliban was signatory to the Geneva Convention Treaties?”
It does not MATTER that the Taliban is not signatory – for numerous reasons:
1) The Geneva Convention is not a bilateral treaty, but rather a unilateral promise of every signatory nation to respect its tenets.
2) WE signed the convention on 12 Aug 1949 (ratified 2 Aug 1955) and therefore bound ourselves by it. Moreover, we claim rights under that convention every time we go to war.
3) Binyam Mohamed is not Taliban, but rather an Ethiopian national with British residency.
4) Ethiopia is signatory to the Convention – which is irrelevant but nonetheless interesting.
5) Binyam Mohamed was NOT captured in a war zone and certainly not on a battlefield: he was picked up in Karachi – the capital of Pakistan – by Pakistani police for possibly unknown reasons. Reportedly, he was then tortured by Pakistani Police before being rendered for unknown reason to U.S. custody.
6) In 2007, the Bush administration dropped all charges against Binyam Mohamed. He has thus been HELD WITHOUT CHARGE for nearly TWO YEARS.
7) Binyam Mohamed is a British resident under British legal protection, and the British want him back.
In other words, Binyam Mohamed is just some poor soul that got picked up off the street and has been beaten and kept in solitary confinement without proper cause for several years: he was essentially kidnapped. He CANNOT be tried for any crime, because there are NO CHARGES OR DETERMINED CAUSE FOR CHARGES AGAINST HIM.
What really annoys me is the number of people who blindly believe that because Binyam Mohamed was EVER at Gitmo, he therefore is responsible for 9/11, is Taliban, is al Qaeda, is a terrorist, etc. There are citizens in this country who have been in jail for minor offenses – or sometimes purely due to mistaken identity – but that does not make them sex offenders or serial killers! We really need to grow up and get beyond guilt by association and guilt by false accusation. Otherwise, we simply make ourselves as Ahabs to Binyam Mohamed’s Naboth.

Lisa, I believe that the hundreds who were released were let go precisely because their Combatant Status Review Tribunals found them not to be unlawful enemy combatants.
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That’s very scary because the files and records to substantiate their innocence are probably nowhere to found, like the paperwork on the remaining detainees. So essentially, the detainees who have been released were very well let go without proof one way or the other, with no guilt or innocence having been established by evidence.

What a MESS!! We rounded up all these “suspected terrorists” only to find we have no information to convict them of any terrorist activities. We’ve held them for years, pissed them off, and now we have to let them go! If they weren’t terrorist before, they sure will be now! The alternative? Hold them (feed, clothe and medicate if necessary) forever while you and I can’t keep a house or a job or groceries. Something is not RIGHT about this. The USA is gonna pay in spades for the mistake of Gitmo!

Barrack Obama has declared war on the United States

He is a British citizen and the British (our allies who presumably we share information with) are willing to take him back into their country. They must not believe, therefore, that he is an imminent danger to their country. Since he has been held at Gitmo without charge for nearly 7 years now and his country (again, our allies!) want him back, how can we justify continuing to hold him?

Fascist hyena,
Simply labeling someone an “unlawful enemy combatant” is a very broad label. How long do you believe someone with that label should continue to held in Gitmo? Until US troops leave Iraq and Afghanistan? What about if most combat troops leave but there are still bases and “advisers” there? Until the amporphous “War on Terror” ends? When will that be? Will they be held without charge until they die?

This is lie. A significant number of men (well, counting the 13-15 year olds as men) have been held and released from Guantanamo, on the order of 500. So far, one has committed an attack and the Pentagon claims 18 have had direct involvement in terrorist activities.
If all you have to justify your opinion are blatant lies of by orders of magnitude with no factual support, you may want to change your argument.
Posted by: jhw539
Dig a little deeper—– As time goes on the numbers keep going up!!
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Since 2002, 61 former detainees have committed or are suspected to have committed attacks after being released from the detention camp, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said at a briefing Tuesday.

BTW, Jake, a lot of people have asked some very good questions here. Questions you don’t seem to have asked. Your acceptance of Mr. Wise’s comments without question is stenography, not journalism.

Lisa,
My question still stands–what to do with a mess that has no end. Whether we decide they are enemy combatants or not, what to do? Hold them forever??????? You’re paying for that, right? Sorry, my bank accounts are unable to stand anymore of this.
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Let’s face it—–the last 200 or so of these guys are the worst of the worst— or they would have already been released along with the other 500 or so over the past few years. There are good reasons these guys are still there!

Roscoe2400,
The Pentagon and Bush administration also told you there were WMDs in Iraq. Don’t take everything at face value. Everything you’re told is not necessarily the truth.

Who were the Japanese who were tried for waterboarding alone? And were the Americans in the Philippine Insurrection waterboarding for sport, of to obtain intelligence?
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Fascist Hyena: Google in Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime, Washington Post. It’s a very informative article to read. Of course, it was used for interrogation in the Philippines. The US government was not enacting the Spanish Inquisition at the time.
I never heard of Tenet linking torture to nuclear bombs that could go off in New York City. I’ve never heard of specific examples of terrorism that were averted. If those could be given, they would help immeasurably to keep the Bush system in place. I wonder why there’s a refusal to be factual on what was supposedly averted.

The Saudi government acknowledged Wednesday that 11 men on the country’s most wanted list are former Guantanamo prisoners who went through rehabilitation, raising doubts about a program intended to counter extremist religious ideology. 2 of them have recently created Al Qeada Jihad videos .

Binyamin Mohamed is not a British citizen. He is a British resident and an Ethiopian citizen. Britain has said they will review his immigration status upon his return.

Call me heartless..but if these men who are going to be involved in terrorism are afraid to go back to their countries because they will fare worse than if they remained in the US or UK…WHY BOTHER BE A TERRORIST? All of a sudden they are going to call upon rights that they dont believe others have (ie the right to life and humane treatment)?
I believe however, that there are men who had nothing to do with terrorism in jail, and are making Obama’s job ALOT harder. What a mess!!!

The hang ‘em high (without a trial) mentality was supposed to have gone away in the 1800s. My father spilled good American blood, as a member of the greatest generation, in World War II to defend our freedoms and our rights. He would roll over in his grave if he thought we were denying basic human rights and torturing prisoners. I don’t care how nasty the bad guys are, the rule of law is a greater principle that protects us all. I don’t want the likes of Richard Nixon or George Bush deciding what is in vogue in human rights. So those that are opposed to this need to get over it. Obama is doing the right thing, and those that see it differently are simply arrogant.

Hey Roscoe,
Virtually the same kind of training you cite is going on in the inner cities today on a quantum scale, and yet you don’t seem so alarmed by the gang problem. The gangs of America are a threat to us a million times greater than any of these detained, tortured bozos. The U.S. Government has spent way too much of good American money on the problems of other countries, and needs to focus on America for a change. Place the prisoners back with their countries of origin and let them deal with the problem.

Kat, I think even the stupidest of Americans would consider it rather reckless of Mr. Tenet to identify specific instances in which attacks were foiled, but if you choose to disbelieve Mr. Clinton’s CIA chief you are of course free to do so. I can’t account for what you have and have not heard about–I can only quote to you the words of Director Tenet.
Do all of you realize that the regulations governing U.S. soldiers–the U.S. Army Field Manual and its predecessors–are entirely distinct from those that (until now) have governed the CIA? Soldiers are not trained in aggressive interrogation techniques, and if they use them they are subject to court-martial. The fools at Abu Ghraib were not even interrogating; they were engaging in sport, and they have rightly been punished for it. That Field Manual was not applicable to the CIA interrogators, and they are not subject to courts-martial.
Lisa, I don’t know how long they should be held–you’ll have to check with Mr. Obama or Mr. Holder on that one. All I know is what the law allows, and as Mr. Holder has just said, the law allows them to be held for the duration of hostilities. How about you, Lisa? At what point would you release them, if you were to be held responsible for what they might do afterward? And when you tell us that Mr. Bush said Iraq had WMD, do you not feel a bit dishonest in failing to mention that Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Joe Wilson, Hillary Clinton and every western intelligence agency also told us that? Surely you can be a bit more forthcoming–one might even conclude that you were attempting willfully to deceive your readers.

Binyamin Mohamed is not a British citizen. He is a British resident and an Ethiopian citizen. Britain has said they will review his immigration status upon his return.
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That’s right and the British have called for his extradition. His attorney, a US army lieutenant, is concerned that he’ll be shipped back in a box due to years of prolonged torture. I don’t want to think about, much less describe what he endured; but suffice to say, he’s probably too ill and disabled at this point to ever recover enough to be a threat.
One of his charges was attempting a dirty bomb attack because he confessed to reading a satirical article on the web titled, “How to Build a H-Bomb.”
A Rolling Stone writer was one of the collaborators on the article. So perhaps we should all be careful with what we read and avoid a satirical slant when we write on blogs. Or dear me.
Resident or citizen, Britain wants him back. Whether this thirty year old makes it back alive remains to be seen.

If he gets out and kills Americans can we charge Obama with a crime?

“WASHINGTON (AP) – The Obama administration, siding with former President George W. Bush, is trying to kill a lawsuit that seeks to recover what could be millions of missing White House e-mails.”
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Presidents of both parties have many common interests.

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H.R. 15 creates a nationalized system of free health care.
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S. 213 would create an Airline Passenger Bill of Rights.
And Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) is back in the swing of things. He’s introduced S. 151, a bill to protect Indian arts and crafts.

Or dear me.
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Typo and inflection error; I meant to write:
Oh dear me!!!

Chicago has yet to recoup the $1.74 million cost of President Obama’s victory celebration in Grant Park — despite a burgeoning $50.5 million budget shortfall that threatens more layoffs and union concessions.
“The Democratic National Committee has not yet paid us,” Peter Scales, a spokesman for the city’s Office of Budget and Management, said Thursday after questions from the Chicago Sun-Times. “We’re reaching out to them this week.”
Stacie Paxton, a spokeswoman for the Obama-controlled DNC, explained the reimbursement delay by saying, “We are still looking at various costs and bills.” She would not say whether parts of the bill are disputed.
probably will be paid off with the stimulus…

Lies have been told, and a Huge truth has been ignored – by the liberals.
The libs (& Obum) want to negotiate with the terrorists…… Their logic is that we negotiated with the Soviets even at the height of the Cold War (one of Hillary-Dillary Dock’s famous bits of logic). Their logic is flawed:
A terrorist is someone who deliberately targets & attacks Innocent Civilians — Not someone who accidentally bombs civilians when there is good evidence that troops or terrorists are in the building, or when a missile flies ‘off course’ and hits a house (this is why when people try to call US actions terrorism they are showing their Ignorance – or possibly just their liberalism – a good example of why liberals often get called Un-American).
Even at the height of the cold war the Soviets were not doing such. Even they were not attacking innocent civilians and certainly not on a daily basis. They did put down what they called: some insurrections (where the Soviets were obviously in the wrong) but they did not continue after they had put down the uprising, and slaughter innocent civilians indefinitely for the sake of Total Genocide or Ethnic Cleansing purposes. They wanted the population to remain in place, albeit under their control.
When the liberals (Hillary-Dillary, Peppy Peppalosi & others) made this argument the Media just let them get away with it (Of Course we all knew they would).
It may take a little time but we will eventually get around to exposing all the typical liberalistic Media’s Agenda.
The Media may think that if no one calls their bluff in a few days that they are home free.
– Well, Surprise, Surprise.

And the reason the charges were dropped was not because Mohamed was innocent. It’s because the courts made a series of rulings that wrongly gave non-citizen terrorists the same rights as citizens in court. Because of that, the trials would have had to take place with all of the evidentiary discovery by both sides and the resulting release to the public. The trials couldn’t be completely closed. That means that national security secrets would have to be divulged, and would result in the deaths of American soldiers and civilians overseas. The Bush administration decided it was better to not press for the trial and protect our intelligence operations overseas as well as protect our soldiers. THAT was the reason for dropping charges, nothing else. The fact the terrorist soldier is guilty of being a terrorist soldier just like any soldier we’ve captured in every other war since the Revolution is born out by the fact that he’s not been released and even the British govt. doesn’t really want to release him. The only people who don’t think he’s a terrorist are idiots in this country who would rather see Americans die so they can blame Bush for it than to see American lives be saved by going after these terrorist. You people who think like that hate America more than the terrorists. You love the terrorists more than your own brothers, sisters and neighbors. You want the terrorists to beat you and your country. Thanks.

Apparently all charges were dropped against this guy back in 2007. To hold people in jails without charges is kidnaping. That’s not the American way. We dont want to give our enemies excuses to hold our citizens in their jails without charges. If these people are truely terroist, we should make sure that they are never captured alive. that would solve this debate about holding people in jail indefinitely without ever charging them with a crime.

I don’t want to think about, much less describe what he endured; but suffice to say, he’s probably too ill and disabled at this point to ever recover enough to be a threat.
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Well, he claims to have been tortured. At this point, it’s up to you to decide how much to believe him.
If he is weak now, it is from his repeated hunger strikes.

Matt, there are rights under the constitution that people have by virtue of being people, regardless of whether they are citizens. Those were the rights that were violated.

I believe credible sources and people, rather the denials.
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I believe credible sources and people, rather THAN the denials.
I might add denial can rip the moral fabric of the individual and a nation. I hope as a country we can sew ours back.

Patty @11:20 PM
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How ironic that my concern expressed about denial was followed by it. Sure, our police force uses strong arm tactics with suspects, but not torture. The waterboarding of Binyamin Mohamed was actually among the least of the methods used with him. Someone clarified the extent of his torture last night a little, and it was deleted.
Yes, there are little in the records to tie him and other detainees to 9/11; and that’s not because Al Qaeda destroyed them, but because records and files of the detainees aren’t to be found at Gitmo or apparently much of anywhere.
According to the LA Times, which tends to run international news shortly after the British press does, there’s a controversy regarding B Mohamed left over between the British legal system and the Bush administration. The British government is hoping that Obama will rescind a threat they made if the 5 page report of his torture is released. The threat consists of the US intelligence not cooperating with British Intelligence.
Apparently, the Bush administration, contrary to its rhetoric, wasn’t that concerned about international cooperation in terrorism. That’s what it takes and that’s what foiled a major attempt in Europe back in 2007. No matter your ideology, that should be an unacceptable leverage.
I hope this was for naught, like a previous posting that was deleted which gave a historical challenge to an allegation that jihadism is a part of Islam.

I also see denial that he is and was a dangerous man. Denial that he may be using people who will believe anything bad about this country to his advantage.
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I’m not asserting if he’s dangerous or not. Due to the little to non-existent paperwork on the detainees a Gitmo that remains a hard judgement call. BTW, I was wrong about his attorney- it’s actually a colonel. I guess he’s got a seasoned military person duped, along with many in the judicial system of a major ally.
I believe this country and its people are far too good to torture, and that truth eventually breaks through individual and collective denial systems. Torture is wrong and counter productive to national security. Personally, I don’t care about your spin on the matter, or your ethics. But don’t define my idealism as wanting to “believe something bad about the country.” Good Day.

Response to kat the real one | Feb 22, 2009 9:58:55 AM
You missed my point completely. I’m not interested in argument by obfuscation and distraction from the main point.
According to a Pentagon review, ordered by Obama, the Guantanamo Bay military prison meets the requirements of the Geneva Conventions.
The fact is, Obama promised to close Gitmo before he had all the pertinent facts regarding whether the place should be shuttered in the first place. His public, campaign statements put him in a box. Obama’s first post-inauguration act was to order the closing of Camp Delta, the terrorist prison at Guantanamo Bay.

Donna – here is an eye-opener for you: More Americans die every two weeks due to preventable medical mistakes alone than died in the twin towers on 9/11. Who set up THOSE deaths?