Bullish Obama Suggests Nation Should Buy! Buy!
President Obama told Americans to take a look at investing in the stock market this afternoon, a remarkable utterance for an American president, especially as the Dow Jones Industrial Average proceeds on its course Southward.
"What you’re now seeing is … profit and earning ratios are starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you’ve got a long-term perspective on it," the president said on a day that trading continued to hover under 7,000.
The president predicted that Americans’ consumer confidence would improve as they see the stimulus bill "taking root."
"Businesses are starting to see opportunities for investment and potential hiring," he said. "We are going to start creating jobs again."
President Obama made his comments in the Oval Office during a photo opportunity with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, where the two world leaders took a handful questions from the media.
Asked about the troubles of the stock market, seeming to reflect investor insecurity about the Obama administration’s economic plans, the president said he was "absolutely confident that they will work, and I’m absolutely confident that credit’s going to be flowing again, that businesses are going to start seeing opportunities for investment, they’re going to start hiring again. People are going to be put back to work."
Obama said he wasn’t focused on "the day-to-day gyrations of the stock market, but the long-term ability for the United States and the entire world economy to regain its footing." he compared the Dow Jones Industrial Average to a daily tracking poll in politics. "You know, it bobs up and down day to day," he said. "And if you spend all your time worrying about that, then you’re probably going to get the long-term strategy wrong."
But the president also made sure to convey that the problems in the economy were deep-seated. "The banking system has been dealt a heavy blow" due to "lax regulation, massive over-leverage, huge systemic risks taken by unregulated institutions, as well as regulated institutions." These issues are "working their way through the system. And it’s not surprising that the market is hurting as a consequence."
The president said his "main message to the American people is to just recognize that we dug a very deep hole for ourselves. There were a lot of bad decisions that were made. We are cleaning up that mess. It’s going to be sort of full of fits and starts, in terms of getting the mess cleaned up, but it’s going to get cleaned up. And we are going to recovery, and we are going to emerge more prosperous, more unified, and I think more protected from systemic risk having learned these lessons than we were before."
Brown and Obama both said they’d been discussing the ways all the major countries around the world could coordinate stimulus packages as well as, Obama said, "a common set of principles, in terms how we’re approaching banking, so that problems that exist in emerging markets like Hungary or the Ukraine don’t have these enormous ripple effects that wash back onto our shores."
The president also took issue with a New York Times story today about a letter he’d sent to Russian president Dmitri Medvedev.
"I think that the report that was in the New York Times didn’t accurately characterize the letter," the president said, arguing that the Times story "characterized" the letter as "some sort of quid pro quo. It was simply a statement of fact that I’ve made previously, which is, is that the missile defense program, to the extent that it is deployed, is designed to deal with not a Russian threat, but an Iranian threat."
Mr. Obama said it was a "very lengthy letter talking about a whole range of issues, from nuclear proliferation to how are we going to deal with a set of common security concerns along the Afghan border and terrorism. And what I said in the letter is the same thing that I’ve said publicly, which is that the missile defense that we have talked about deploying is directed towards not Russia, but Iran. That has always been the concern, that you had potentially a missile from Iran that threatened either the United States or Europe."
Mr. Obama said the letter stated that "obviously, to the extent that we are lessening Iran’s commitment to nuclear weapons, then that reduces the pressure for the need for a missile defense system. In no way does that … diminish my commitment to making sure that Poland, the Czech Republic, and other NATO members are fully enjoying the partnership, the alliance, and U.S. support with respect to their security.
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So Obama preached gloom and doom, crisis, great depression, financial meltdown to get his Stinkulus Bill passed.
And now we’re all supposed to put on a cheery face and go shopping.
Uh huh.
Posted by: marylou | March 3, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
President Obama:starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you’ve got a long-term perspective on it
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Does *he* know he’s announced a capital gains tax rate hike for 2011?
Posted by: MayBee | March 3, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Hmmmm, earlier today Banancke said American households will have to reign in their spending…
Posted by: ceeLeelee | March 3, 2009, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
He really thinks we are all that stupid, doesn’t he? Likewise with the remainder of the D C mob.
All democrats want to do is seize profits from anyone who really works for their money. The stock market is just giving a whopping NO CONFIDENCE vote to them all, including Failure Obama.
Stock Market down MORE than 50% since Democrats seized control of the government in ’07. Down 25%+ since Failure Obama was elected.
Democrats: the party of TAKERS.
OBAMA = FAILURE
Posted by: JD | March 3, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Jake, you the only one in the media that refuses to follow the PRAVDA lead. How long can you hold out …
Posted by: tarpon | March 3, 2009, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
yea, spend it on weapons and home defense
Posted by: Eagle eye | March 3, 2009, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Sure, Mr. President, as we see the alleged stimulus package “take root”, we’re all gonna turn oh so bullish on the economy and start buying stocks again. The market is down 3000 points since the election and now you have something to say and this is it?
“What you’re now seeing is … profit and earning ratios are starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you’ve got a long-term perspective on it.” Yeesh, if I didn’t know better I’d think he was speaking off the cuff. His handlers need to write better material. He sounds like a member of the Politburo who never even heard of a stock market.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Hey during the campaign, didn’t Obama make fun of Bush for telling the American people they should go out and shop when the economy took a dumper in 2002? Wheres that cynicism now?
Posted by: KR | March 3, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Obama has even had a Recovery emblem designed. It will stamp every project the stimulus plan touches, although I doubt it will be on my 401(k) statement or tax bill.
It is, of course, in the shape of an O.
Posted by: MayBee | March 3, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Obama does not remember what he says because they are not his words or thoughts. He is told what to say and what to sign. He’s a glorified front man whose piupose is to fly in neat planes and have weekly parties in the White House…sort of like Poe’s ‘Masque of the Red Death’.
Posted by: David Adams | March 3, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
” Obama has even had a Recovery emblem designed. It will stamp every project the stimulus plan touches, although I doubt it will be on my 401(k) statement or tax bill.
It is, of course, in the shape of an O.”
Tell me this is a joke somewhere. Is he really putting a label resembling him on the billions of dollars of our money that he is doling out?
Posted by: KR | March 3, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
The logo will have a hammer and sickle superimposed over the big O.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Get A grip People stop Worrying so Much about the Market, And the Nerve of some of you To blame President Obamas For Bushes Faliures.Maybe If we Had A President For 8 Years and not An Idiot Moron who Let the Free Market And Banks go wild, We Would not be in this Mess But keep Blaming President Obama it only Makes you sound STUPID
Posted by: Angie in PA | March 3, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Mr. Pb0, only if you have money to buy. If you think the average americans have the luxury to purchase stocks, they would have not needed your stimulus that costs their children and grandchildren $1.5T for generations to come.
Posted by: ace | March 3, 2009, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
The market has been in free fall since Obama secured the nomination. Feel free to blame that on Bush, it’s easy and doesn’t require any particular knowledge of how markets work.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Angie, while I agree that Bush has some blame for the current situation, It may be more to the tune that he did not take a strong enough stand against bad mortgage practices, brought on by previous administrations (including his father with HUD). While he participates in the blame, is definitely not the bearer of responsibility here.
The markets are reactionary to their environment. They are partly in the dumper because of the mortgage crisis and bank failures, but they are also responding negatively to the Presidents actions. You can refuse to believe that if you want, but it really is the truth. Markets react to what they perceive is the future, and they don’t like what they see.
So if you agree that things are as bad as the President says, you would also have to agree that the market doesn’t like what he’s been saying and what the future looks like.
Posted by: KR | March 3, 2009, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
The Markets are Responding To the Housing Market, As well as Unemployment And until We fix these. The Market will Continue to Sink
Posted by: Angie in PA | March 3, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
“I think that the report that was in the New York Times didn’t accurately characterize the letter,” the president said,…
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The president has a point. The New York Times has a problem with accuracy. Hence their business situation…
Posted by: mad | March 3, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
The market has been in free fall since Obama secured the nomination. Feel free to blame that on Bush, it’s easy and doesn’t require any particular knowledge of how markets work.
Posted by: Joanne600 | Mar 3, 2009 1:58:51 PM
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As you know fully well, the Market is on the future, not the past.
Market does not like what it sees in the future and has zero confidence in PB0′s abilities to understand the economy. This is further evidenced by his ability to select a dud in Treasury Secretary, who arguably is the most important job in this current administration. Consequently, who knows how deep it’s going to fall.
Posted by: ace | March 3, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
“Are we no longer concerned about Pakistan’s nuclear missiles?”
Considering that Pakistan is teetering on internal collapse, we should be.
Posted by: KR | March 3, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
Buy with WHAT!?! Forelosed houses, reposessed assets, consumer debt? WHAT!?! Oh right, were gonna lend more money to buy things we don’t need with money we don’t have, to people who are already in debt and can’t pay their bills. The banks you gave all that money to are hoarding it Barack! How does insolvent banks buying up the healthy banks help anybody but Wall St. and the ponzi scheme bankers, who created this mess in the 1st place? I guess Barack was absent when they studied fallacies at Harvard…
Posted by: hmn... | March 3, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
Oops, bottom post is in the wrong blog.
Posted by: KR | March 3, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
There is no Quick Fix to this, It took along time to Get To this Point Its going to Take time to Get out of this Mess! Be patient!
Posted by: Angie in PA | March 3, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Oval Office during a photo opportunity,hummmmmmmmmmmm. This jerk wants us to spend; he has caused us to lose our life savings and he has the audacity to make such an insane comment.
All he thinks about is photo ops and big concerts in the White House…when is he going to growup??? This president is all about “ME”.
Posted by: Mildred | March 3, 2009, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Uh oh, signs of life in the economy. Another nail in the Rushpublican coffin.
Posted by: Mack | March 3, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Ace – you are absolutely right. The minute it looked like Obama would take the WH, the market fell. There was one point where the tracking polls had McCain just even/slightly ahead and the market rallied. This article just shows us that he has absolutely no understanding of the capital markets, nor does he care. All I know for certain is that it can’t go below zero, other than that, all bets are off.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
Mildred
Obama In 30 Days or So Into office caused you to Lose your Life Savings now thats Priceless what Morons out there, You really think People Believe that Garbage?
Posted by: Angie in PA | March 3, 2009, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Obama:he compared the Dow Jones Industrial Average to a daily tracking poll in politics. “You know, it bobs up and down day to day”
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He knows the DJIA isn’t really like a daily tracking poll, doesn’t he? It isn’t just an opinion poll.
And he also realizes the current DJIA isn’t bobbing up and down day to day, doesn’t’ he?
Does he have investments?
Posted by: MayBee | March 3, 2009, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Who are the bankers who sold the bad loans?
Republicans
Who are the poiticians who deregulated the market?
Republicans
Who was controlling the White House when the market crashed?
Republicans
Who are the Bank CEOS who enjoyed huge bonuses for bad decision-making?
Republicans
Who are the people working at the banks and on Wall Street?
Republicans
Who are the people trying to pin the blame for thier own failures on to the current president?
Republicans
Posted by: reason | March 3, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Joanne
Then why Did Mccain say If he Keeps talking about the Economy hes going to Lose. I recall Mccain saying he Doesnt Know Much about the Economy, Besides What are the Republicans Plans anyway to The Economic Crisis I have yet to hear any Plans out of one Republican.Do they have any Ideas?
Posted by: Angie in PA | March 3, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
During the campaign obama was saying how much the stock market was going down and how people were losing money.
Now that the market is still freefalling Obama now says they are like tracking polls that go up and down.
I don’t understand the up part with this stock market. Where has Obama seen the market going up?
But it really doesn’t matter. With the new demographics in america this is now a one party country. Illegal immigration has turned america into permanent democratic party one party system
Posted by: Deana | March 3, 2009, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
All I can say is “shut up Mr President”. Oh by the way he is not my president. No more than the liberals accepted GW will I accept this guy.
He is enjoying this free fall in the market. He has hoped/planned for this from day one. The bum. I despise him.
Posted by: Colorado | March 3, 2009, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Who Let the Free Market Go wild?,Who Let the Banks do Whatever They wanted With no Regulation No Oversight? WHO I ASK President Obama in 30 days hahahahahahahahahahaah lolol
Posted by: Angie in PA | March 3, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
I said before the election in Nov., that Obama and the democrat want the ecomomy to fail so they can substute socialist- commie government, while we sleep and accept all the forth comming legislation.
Posted by: Roger H. Cook,MD | March 3, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
reason,
Your post is false. I’m not going to go through them all, but keep in mind George Soros, the first major contributor to Obama’s campaign, operates the #2 largest hedge funds in the country. The real truth is that is mixed, just like the rest of the country.
Actually its probably more accurate to say that they are in either party when it benefits them.
Posted by: KR | March 3, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
LMAO this guy is rapidly becomeing the laughing stock in America..opps I mentioned “stocks” and TurboTax Timmy is speaking before congress…THERE GOES THE STOCKS LOL
Another Hillarious note from Obama and TurboTAx Timmy.. ” we are going after those international people that avoid paying thier taxes LMAO, Heck he can’t get his own nominees to pay taxes LMAO.. he is just too funny
Posted by: bawl knee | March 3, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
There are a bunch of Republicans acting like eight-year-olds on this message board.
If the market bounces back tomorrow, does that mean Obama is awesome?
If the market falls tomorrow, does that mean that Obama suks?
What if it stays level, is Obama average?
I don’t know how you people turned your computer on. Get a clue.
Posted by: reason | March 3, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Lord Obama doesn’t understand the market, he knows nothing about it except he is happy it is tanking. His plans are coming to fruition. He gets his money in other ways, for instance from George Soros, the guy who funded his campaign from the very beginning.
Posted by: RMH | March 3, 2009, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
REASON
The Bitter Republicans are In denial they Refuse to Accept W Created this Mess! For the Next 4 Years the Republicans will Blame all of W’s Disasters on President Obama, they Dont want to Admit their President was A DISASTER To this country! so By them Blaming Obama it makes them Feel Better!
Posted by: Angie in PA | March 3, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Dear Mr. President.
Thank for the offer, but no thank. I just figure out that between the sharks roaming Wall Street try to get my hard earn money and the goverment try to send me a bigger tax bill, I better of just spent it on my family dinning out. It’s probably better for my family and help out the economy.
Posted by: maleasiansmoker | March 3, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
The DOW is up 0.64%. That’s because Obama drank a Coke at lunch.
Posted by: reason | March 3, 2009, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
“The DOW is up 0.64%. That’s because Obama drank a Coke at lunch.’
It also went up when octomom gave birth.
Posted by: Mack | March 3, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
FYI -It’s a bear (buy low), not a bull market. But then bullish sounds bullying with a more negative effect than a bearish Obama.
Posted by: kat the real one | March 3, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Obama: he compared the Dow Jones Industrial Average to a daily tracking poll in politics. “You know, it bobs up and down day to day”
It hasn’t gone up since you took office you idiot!!
Posted by: CO | March 3, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Actually, I did start buying stock last fall and made some money. Then 0 was inagurated and I am down 60%. This guy is like a 7 year old attempting to pilot a 747. Sponge Bob and Patrick could do a better job. Oh, and just how much money is he going to take from my earnings with his capital gains tax???
Posted by: Richard, Dubuque | March 3, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
The markets trust Obama about as much as most Republicans (and probably quite a few Democrats) trust Obama–not at all.
Remember everything he says has an expiration date.
Posted by: sammy | March 3, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
jpt writes:
“The president said his “main message to the American people is to just recognize that we dug a very deep hole for ourselves.”
To quote Tonto — if that’s still politically acceptable — “whaddya mean ‘we’, white man?” It’s Obama’s corporate backers who have dug the deep hole, and the people in general who have fallen into it, along with several trillion dollars disappearing by the day into corporate never-never land.
Meanwhile, the Ecstatic Executive sounds hysterical on happy-gas.
Better He should get out of his three wars, and stop trying to drag Russia into a playground game of “let’s-you-and-him-fight”.
If this individual weren’t wearing the “black” birthday suit, there’d be widespread press speculation as to His ability to discharge His duties … and with THIS speech, especially with Geithner STILL there, probably speculation as to His sanity.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | March 3, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
what a failure worst president ive seen in my lifetime the doom gloom and blame president, in my buisness i fix things i dont blame who broke it, its not my job to blame and what good does it do ya just fix it but i dont think obama has the tools or the knowledge hes like a plumber fixing your tv
Posted by: david reyes | March 3, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
MILDRED
For your Information I work for a living, And My 401k Is sinking too,Im not happy but to Blame Obama who Has Been in Office for a little Over a Month is Crazy! and Please Correct yourself BUSH HAD A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS FOR 6 OF HIS 8 YEARS!
Posted by: Angie in PA | March 3, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
“what a failure worst president ive seen in my lifetime’
Were you born last month? Where were you for the last 8 years?
Posted by: Mack | March 3, 2009, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
I’m glad to hear Obama isn’t your president Colorado, just as I’m glad that the US isn’t your country.
Posted by: JR | March 3, 2009, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Mildred
Obama In 30 Days or So Into office caused you to Lose your Life Savings now thats Priceless what Morons out there, You really think People Believe that Garbage?
Posted by: Angie in PA | Mar 3, 2009 2:13:02 PM
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Angie in PA:
You don’t have to believe it. I will be out begging for my welfare just like the majority of the oblabla voters are.
We lost more in 30 days than we did in Bush’s tenure. You don’t know where it was invested…just another stupid democrat..anyone with a $ is a moron because we won’t share the wealth that we worked for all our lives, but we will be doing just that if we have a $ left to share. Sounds more like a Comunist…and that didn’t work either.
Posted by: Mildred | March 3, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
I agree – this is a REALLY good time to increase investments (401K, mutual funds, IRA, etc). Especially for real (long-term) investors. Republicans are toooooo funny…
Posted by: Nichole | March 3, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Why is Obama being referred to as bullish when he encourages buying in a clearly bear (pay low) stock market?
Posted by: kat the real one | March 3, 2009, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Mildred
Read My Post about Denial! DENIAL is a Bad thing Admit W Was a Disaster for this Country Just come to terms with it And you will begin to Be Ok! hahahahah lololololol
Posted by: Angie in PA | March 3, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
Did you people know that it wasn’t the high risk loans that caused the market to crash, or the billions lost by the auto industry?
It was Obama. He did it. He’s one of them Democrats and they caused everything to happen the moment they took office. I know it.
Oh yeah, it was also because of them thar illegal immigrants, yeah that’s it. Those illegals took my meat packing job away and caused the economy the crash.
It was also that libral media. The New York Times is close to Wall Street so me thinks they went down and pushed a buncha buttons.
Wait, it was also because of those global warming treehuggin environmentalists. You see, they did this thing, where they use thir tree powers to cause bankers to make bad loand.
Wait, I got it, it wuz those darn socialist. I don’t know what it means but I use it because it is a scary word.
That’s why the market crashed.
Posted by: reason | March 3, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
MILDRED
For your Information I work for a living, And My 401k Is sinking too,Im not happy but to Blame Obama who Has Been in Office for a little Over a Month is Crazy! and Please Correct yourself BUSH HAD A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS FOR 6 OF HIS 8 YEARS!
Posted by: Angie in PA | Mar 3, 2009 2:34:00 PM
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Angie in PA:
Just can’t admit that he had a democratic congress for the last 2 years, can you. Peelosoi, Breed, Farney
and Pdod were the driving factors of this porkulus bill that is going to be your “golden paracute”.
Posted by: Mildred | March 3, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
The president is right…the stock market has always rallied in the long run.
And what about Mr. Bush wanting us to put our social security in it? that was ok.
And Pres. Obama has been in for five weeks. Anyone who thinks this is his fault is a sore loser Republican….You really think this mess all came about in five weeks?
Mr. Bush did the big bailout with no strings attached. Pres. Obama is overseeing it and wants to know where each penny is spent…
If all we are going to do is complain that is not going to help any. This country is in big trouble and it has been over the last eight years! This did not happen overnight!
Posted by: Barb | March 3, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
I’ll buy whichever stocks Obama is buying.
Posted by: Anne | March 3, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Angie,
Bush had a republican congress for 6 of his eight years? Are you referring only to the house?
Posted by: Sue | March 3, 2009, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Didn’t Michelle and Barack mock Bush for telling the country to go out and shop after 9/11? What is the difference between telling the country to shop and telling the country to buy worthless stocks?
Posted by: Sue | March 3, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Bailouts! Bailouts! Bailouts! Bailouts! Bailouts are fixing everything. This ABC headline is a joke. I watched the news conference. ABC is playing games with the question mark again – their favorite punctuation.
Posted by: Geo | March 3, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
MILDRED
For your Information I work for a living, And My 401k Is sinking too,Im not happy but to Blame Obama who Has Been in Office for a little Over a Month is Crazy! and Please Correct yourself BUSH HAD A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS FOR 6 OF HIS 8 YEARS!
mildred what part of the eight years is when the economy started tanking the first six or the last two when republicans didnt have the congress
Posted by: david reyes | March 3, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Another stupid utterance from Obama, the liberal idiot.
Posted by: Sluggo | March 3, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Anybody who falls for the stock market ponzi scheme that the government is running, deserves to lose everything they have. Maybe Obama should look at bringing jobs back from overseas, and beefing up US industry and manufacturing. The middle class in this country just doesn’t have money to waste on gambling on a ponzi scheme that only benefits wall street.
Posted by: Dan Driver | March 3, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
The market has only been bobbing down since Obama took office. He SHOULD be worried.
Posted by: jim | March 3, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
BARB
They cant see Reality Because they are In denial About W It Makes them Feel Better to Blame President Obama!
Posted by: Angie in PA | March 3, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
Stop drinking the Kool-aid, people. You’ve been had. Who got rich over the last eight years? My vote is to take their ill-gotten gains back. Tax the crap out of the evil geniuses. Tax ‘em back to the stone age.
You’re being told to be afraid of what will happen if we don’t give the big babies their tax breaks. Do you morons really have any idea who has really paid the price? It was us, fools. Not no Senator’s (or President’s) son.
Posted by: Mr. Slate | March 3, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
This ABC headline is a joke. I watched the news conference. ABC is playing games with the question mark again – their favorite punctuation.
Posted by: Geo | March 3, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
“This guy is like a 7 year old attempting to pilot a 747.”
Having permitted the nomination of a mob-friendly “Democratic” figurehead whose monetarily on-the-make masters brainwashed Him about the transformative value of His birthday-suit adorability — which is waaay flagging — is turning out, as MANY predicted, to be a complete disaster.
When April first rolls around, how many people — outside the political and corporate classes who are profiting from “Obama” — who are still making enough $ to OWE taxes, are going to refuse to pay?
Meanwhile, what about the poor? What about those who already WERE poor when this tin-horn’s plastic star rose in the firmament of the formerly-Democratic Party? Not a word from the sooo-sucky “Obama” organization.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | March 3, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
marylou >>> You are 100 % correct.
My 401K has tanked and Obama doesn’t care about the gyrations of the market. Instead of creating a package to build up business he has started and fed class warfare. The word CRISIS was used at 17 times in one speech. Obama the most failed president of all time. He has destroyed more wealth and in turn created more hardship than any other president. His flaming the financial Crisis with this doom and gloom speeches, his spending us into generational debt that doesnt build business and grow the economy.
States starting are reminding him of the 10th amendment. Consumer confidence lower than ever.
HOW much worse can he make it. I guess when some of the GITMO men come back and blow up a building his failure will be complete.
The PRESS pretending that he is great because of the their hand in getting him elected by being start struck with no objectivity.
Obama WORST president in history.
Posted by: ChicagoBob | March 3, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Just as soon as Obama sends me my check, I am going to start buying stocks. Come on check, hurry up.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Mildred:”Just can’t admit that he had a democratic congress for the last 2 years, can you.”
And a Republican Senate that launched more filibusters than ever before in the history of our government – more than in the first 100 years of the Senate combined. Besides, any grade schooler knows that a president cannot implement policy change but can stop any changes through the use of the veto. Republicans own the last 8 years, that is simply fact.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Mr. Bush did the big bailout with no strings attached. Pres. Obama is overseeing it and wants to know where each penny is spent…
Posted by: Barb | Mar 3, 2009 2:44:03 PM
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Barb:
Are you nieve if you think for a minute that is going to happen…Who is he going to put in charge, Blago? Most of his cabinet is from Chicago, and non income tax payers. Have you never heard of the government there?
Posted by: Mildred | March 3, 2009, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Sounds just like Bush! :)
But Obama has always been a fairy tale and a roll or the dice!
And many surrender to his arrogant, obfuscating, manipulative, stalking and seductive foreplay!
Obama is raping America, and the product of this unholy union will diminish the USA for generations! :(
Back to basics America – A house is not a home unless its inhabitants put down roots in the community and contribute their share relationally and monetarily.
And a country is not a home unless its inhabitants put down roots in the heart of that country and contribute their share relationally and monetarily.
Do we really want the USA to be a dehumanizing “nanny country?”
Posted by: aware2u | March 3, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
jpt quotes the Conniver-in-Chief:
“It was simply a statement of fact that I’ve made previously, which is, is that the missile defense program, to the extent that it is deployed, is designed to deal with not a Russian threat, but an Iranian threat.”
Uh, does He think the Russians — not to mention the NYT! — are … stupid, or what?
Posted by: Human Intelligence | March 3, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Obama’s supporters don’t have money or why would they all be looking for cradle-to-grave entitlements???????
Posted by: carogre | March 3, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
yea, spend it on weapons and home defense
>>> Good one. Thats why Obama wants to tax them. ALL I see is a bunch of taxes that will be a death of a 1000 cuts. poor lower class and middle class will be taxed at every turn to pay for Obama’s foolish spending.
Posted by: ChicagoBob | March 3, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Does *he* know he’s announced a capital gains tax rate hike for 2011?
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good one! He’s clueless
Posted by: carogre | March 3, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
hey, since when does BHO say WE made bad decisions? I am current with my mortage, no credit card debt, so maybe he should say the ignorant ones who made bad decisions. I still have enough equity in my home to get to Canada, so I guess i’m the lucky one.
Posted by: USdoomed | March 3, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
For God’s sake. if you’re going to call someone a Communist at least make sure they get both their “m’s”
Posted by: Teddy | March 3, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Mr. President, as soon as I get my bailout, I’ll invest in the market.
Posted by: msg | March 3, 2009, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Bush is not blame-free in this mess. I am not saying that. Congress–including the Democrat-dominated Congress of the past few years, not just the Republican-dominated Congress before it–is not blame-free either.
I was willing to give Obama a chance, even though he wasn’t my choice on election day. He’s not proving to be sufficient to deal with the challenges. He’s raising taxes and spending like there’s no tomorrow.
I don’t have confidence in Obama. Call me names, if you wish. The fact is this: I don’t have confidence in Obama. I believe his policies are making me poorer, not richer. (No, I am not a wealthy person, BTW.)
Posted by: QR4J | March 3, 2009, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
By going to church every Sunday, I have peace of mind no matter what’s happening around me. Thank God for that, I don’t think I ever thought going to church had benefits. But it does. I can’t believe how many people at work are worried about their jobs, or love ones. We work at a hospital! And still they worry. How ridiculous. And how ridiculous to blame the president that just got there, or our government. I think the root problem has been GREED and UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR.
Posted by: Caroline | March 3, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
In a related story, Hugo Chavez says rice shortages aren’t the fault of his policies they are the evil rice producers who don’t want to make rice. But don’t worry, he’s sending in the military to force them to make more rice and soon the country will be flooded with new rice. And every week he will report on how much rice the military has collected from the farmers to show them just how much rice has been made.
I don’t see any problems with this whatsoever.
Posted by: Thomas | March 3, 2009, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
The biggest danger to the economy is a consumer who will not or can not spend!
Posted by: tom | March 3, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Besides, he’d only confiscate any proceeds to further his goals. (Say it with me…”Reparations”.)
Posted by: DB | Mar 3, 2009 2:54:25 PM
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DB:
You got it!!!! Think maybe that was in the minds of a certain % of the voters?
Something for nothing!!!!! Name of the game these days.
Posted by: Mildred | March 3, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
ANGIE: I agree with you – we have an unexperienced, arrogant, self-centered egotist in the WH!!!! God Bless America!!!
Posted by: jill | March 3, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
When y’all use the word “congress” are you using it to include both houses or just the representatives? Because if you are referring to both houses, democrats and republicans each held the senate for an almost equal amount of time when Bush was president. And Bush never had a super majority Obama does. And just for the record, Obama was in the senate for 4 of those years and never once made a stink about anything, including TARP, which he voted for. With no strings attached. Go figure.
Posted by: Sue | March 3, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Communication?
The British Prime Minister made Obama sound like a rambling equivocator unfamiliar with the English language. :)
Brown’s concise “Partnership of Purpose” conveyed what Obama took paragraphs, in his unsuccessful attempt, to say!
Obama reminds me of many preachers who speak beautifully for an hour, and when they are finished you have no idea what they have said! :)
Posted by: aware2u | March 3, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Caroline:”By going to church every Sunday, I have peace of mind no matter what’s happening around me. Thank God for that, I don’t think I ever thought going to church had benefits. ”
Better watch your phrasing in here. Obviously you would not be going to church if you did not know the obvious benefits. But yes, it is in times of stress that what as a child felt like a duty can show itself to be a true asset even in the material world.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
I’m going to go buy, buy, buy — and fill my tires with air. Economy problem solved. Obamics 101.
Posted by: Get Real | March 3, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
Whoa…Obama says that buying stock is “potentially” a good deal in the long run? Way to commit, there. I suppose he could potentially get reelected if the economy turns around before 2012.
Posted by: Brian Levine | March 3, 2009, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
All my money is ALREADY in the stock market. Or it WAS, I should say.
Thanks for the Hope! Now, can you spare some CHANGE?
Posted by: Korla Pundit | March 3, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
“Hugo Chavez says rice shortages aren’t the fault of his policies … he’s sending in the military to force them to make more rice…
I don’t see any problems with this whatsoever.”
Considering Hugo Chavez is a hero to the left, that’s freaking scary isn’t it?
Posted by: KR | March 3, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
Is that you ChicagoBob? Man, you are unreal! How long has Obama been in office compared to eight years of Bush? Do the math and you will see how your ludicrous your assertions are. Obama’s legacy will be defined by this crises: He is the president destined to get the country and the entire free world out of this mess.Watch!
Posted by: what667 | March 3, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Angie’s photo must be next to “stupid” in the dictionary. Fact: what good is regulation when barney and dodd shoot the messenger when regulators are sounding the warning? Yes, republicans were weak-kneed in demanding dannie and freddie be reigned in. But who let them go on and who stopped legislation to reign them in?
DEMOCRATS!
Democrats would rather the whole economy crash than admit oboma is the DUFUS that he is so don’t figure the idiots on this forum will ever wake up. These forums are the only place they can avoid truth
Posted by: Wade | March 3, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Interesting. It is like someone just made him aware that if the economy continues to tank into a depression (as opposed to our current recession), he is going to be blamed for it come 2010.
Bush haters and lovers alike… he is gone. Continue to blame or support until your hearts content… but this is Obama’s baby now. His gloomy predictions have been great for pushing a political agenda… but have also hurt the market. Now combine that with plans which seemed designed to prevent a recovery and you have a stock market that is continuing to decline.
The question remains, how long will he remain in denial… and just how low is he willing to let the market sink before actually trying to fix something?
People keep saying that he is “fixing” the last 8 years of Bush… so far he has affirmed most of the “horrible” foreign policies of Bush and has spent a ton of money. So what exactly is he trying to fix? Is all of this spending a sign that he thinks Bush spent too little??
unthinking hatred and unthinking support have one thing in common… they are both unthinking.
Posted by: Matt | March 3, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Posted by: Mildred | Mar 3, 2009 3:04:50 PM Mildred, I agree, I read blog after blog where it was said “We are in charge not it’s pay back time. I was at Walmart the other day and 2 black girls took my merchandise out of my cart, threw it on the floor and then put their stuff in while I was around the corner. When I came back and called them on it and even pointed to my stuff on the floor they said “Idon’t know what you talking about lady,dat’s my cart. They got right up in my face and I’ll tell you I was scared.
Posted by: Mags | March 3, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
And Caroline:
Obama has no moral center or code of ethics. He is a postmodern relativist who believes that concepts such as right and wrong, goodness and badness, or truth and falsehood are not absolute but change from culture to culture and situation to situation.
So kill babies or deny medical services to the elderly if it saves money! :(
Posted by: aware2u | March 3, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
I would be embarrased right now if I had voted for Obama
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
BO’a administration can’t have it both ways. Regardless of his own confidence in the polices he sets, it’s the confidence of potential investors have that matters. So far, no one seems to be buying into it. Damage done. If vilifying corporations continues, if capital gains hikes and tax rate hikes, and so on, are realized, the market will be stunted. These policies are at best effective emotionally as vote buying gimmicks targeted at those who reap government assistance. Socialism kills personal initiative!
Posted by: fedup_11 | March 3, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
I agree – this is a REALLY good time to increase investments (401K, mutual funds, IRA, etc). Especially for real (long-term) investors. Republicans are toooooo funny…
Posted by: Nichole | Mar 3, 2009 2:38:22 PM
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I don’t care what your party, democrat or repub.
Take what advice you want, but remember it only took 14 trading days for the DOW to drop from 8000 to below 7000. And many say we are still nowhere near the bottom yet. Then it will be a slow rise again once we do hit bottom.
Look at it this way: If you invested in the DOW back in late 1997, now some 12 years later you would have less money. That’s not even counting the reduced spending power of todays dollars compared to what they would have bought back then. You might also want to consider what will happen to your dollar’s buying power once China stops lending us money and the runaway national debt starts creating out of control inflation.
We still haven’t hit the commercial real estate bubble bust. And then there is the cost of social security benefits for all the baby boomers on the horizon. Add to that all the under funded pension plans still out there…
If you haven’t noticed.. I’m not feeling too Bullish right now. Even if it is Obama saying I should be.
Posted by: robert | March 3, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
“And just for the record, Obama was in the senate for 4 of those years and never once made a stink about anything, including TARP, which he voted for. With no strings attached. Go figure.”
Yeah, funny thing: Obama didn’t do diddly in the STATE senate, either … too hot to be hahaha “president”.
So uh collegial, the Senate:
“TARP Overseer Joins Board Of Firm With Bank Ties: Former Senator Who Oversees Bailout Funds Joins Board Of Firm Affiliated With TARP Bank
(AP) Former Sen. John Sununu, a member of the government watchdog panel that oversees the financial sector rescue fund, is joining the board of managers of a firm affiliated with a bank that has received $3 billion from the fund.”
Posted by: Human Intelligence | March 3, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Why would I invest now – Under the Obama administration, if companies are successful and make big profits, they are called ‘greedy’ and heavily taxed. If they fail, they are bailed out by my tax dollars. If I make a profit on rising stock prices, I am taxed heavily on the gain. There is nothing to be gained from investing in the current kleptocracy which demonizes success and rewards failure. Atlas Shrugged.
Posted by: bct | March 3, 2009, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
Matter of fact, if i had voted for Obama, I would be soooo embarrased I would be looking for a rock to crawl under
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Obama is delusional if he thinks the dow is bobbing up and down, its sinking like an anchor!!
And he says I shouldn’t spend time worrying about my retirement account on a daily basis. What???? When should I worry about it, when I’m 65 and broke.
WHERE CAN I GET A CUP OF YOUR KOOL-AID!!
Posted by: tom | March 3, 2009, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Buy? How when the folks that can afford to buy are to busy taking their money out of the US in expectation of Obam’s soak the rich policies? Sorry Mr. B.O but Atlas has gone on and shrugged.
Posted by: vllera | March 3, 2009, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Obama cares nothing for this country or it’s people. He promises handouts to the takers to get their votes and rapes the working class to pay for his ridiculous dream projects. Can someone please tell me how 60% of Americans approve of hime in these polls? He is sending $900 mil to Gaza knowing Hummas will get at least a big part of it and is giving amnesty to 20 million illegals including criminals and gang members, all they have to do is say they are changed. The tax payer will pay all legal fees for lawyers representing them. This is totally insane. They also are entitled to education that even tax paying citizens are not.
Posted by: Mags | March 3, 2009, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
If Obama is so keen on the present prospects for equity investing, he could find a job with the thundering herd at Merrill Lynch-BoA and save the country from his next 47 months of policy blunders.
…as long as he took Joey Biden and Nancy with him…
Posted by: SquaringTheGlobe | March 3, 2009, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Next step is to FORCE you to invest at gunpoint. With taxes for bailout money. And then the State will own the stock markets and all corporations, too. Welcome to the Communist State, comrade.
Posted by: Korla Pundit | March 3, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
If you read Canadian Free Press they are saying are country is in the hands of the most corrupt government ever, and extremely bad irreversable damage will be done to this country in the next 2 years.
Posted by: Mags | March 3, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
I would be embarrased right now if I had voted for Obama
Posted by: billy bob | Mar 3, 2009 3:13:02 PM
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In 6 months you can’t find anyone that will claim that they voted for him. You can’t cure stupid. Hopefully in 2 years we can clean out part of the mess that is creating our problems.
Posted by: Mildred | March 3, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
bct:” If I make a profit on rising stock prices, I am taxed heavily on the gain. ”
Taxes on capital gains from stocks are LOWER than when Reagan was done – Obama proposes a small increase to 20%. At the end of the Reagan years, the capital gains tax was at 28% and he NEVER cut it below the 20% rate Obama is proposing.
How much lower than Ronald Reagan does Obama’s tax rates have to be to satisfy you?
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
“What you’re now seeing is … profit and earning ratios are starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you’ve got a long-term perspective on it,” the president said on a day that trading continued to hover under 7,000.
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How long does one’s perspective need to be?
Posted by: mad | March 3, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Of course, after he said that “buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you’ve got a long term perspective on it”, he added “provided the next president isn’t a communist like me.”
Posted by: Willis | March 3, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Mildred I just hope it is not too late in two years to turn things around.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
“Can someone please tell me how 60% of Americans approve of hime in these polls?”
People aren’t REALLY as clueless as the “election” of this bait-and-switch birthday suit might seem to suggest: given that the telephones are ALL tapped, what do you say to someone who calls to ask how you like Leader? You say He’s adorable, and that his giddy proclamations of “absolute confidence” are inspiring.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | March 3, 2009, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
“Why would I invest now – Under the Obama administration, if companies are successful and make big profits, they are called ‘greedy’ and heavily taxed.” Such a true and sad statement. The class wars BO is starting are horrible, even FREINDS of ours who do not do as well as we are resenting us. Blogers want us all dead, Bidden and BO have done everything in their power to make people think the rich are theives, and also $250,000 a year for a couple in a big city IS NOT RICH!!!!
Posted by: Mags | March 3, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
“How long does one’s perspective need to be?”
5-10 years is the boiler plate advice for money invested in the stock market. If you need the money in a shorter time frame than that, you shouldn’t be in the market.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Seriously, who needs their 401ks that we’ve been paying into for 20 years when the government will be taking care of all us in our old age…we’ll all be working basically until we’re dead… living in trailer parks, lining up at the local ‘free’ clinic weeks in advance for our appointments with I can’t even imagine what type of doctor. My retirement picture is depressing.
Please pass that Kool-Aid!
Posted by: carolg | March 3, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
A big, hearty thank you to the 54 million people out there who voted for this vacuous moron.
Posted by: kat | March 3, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
“If” Obama is only in office for 4 yrs than my best guess is that if you put the stocks you buy today in a trust for your great, great, great, grand kids, they should make a 6% return.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
billy bob, I do too. We can only hope that we can get our “change” and mean it.
Posted by: Mildred | March 3, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Someone obviously told him it’s more important to be positive instead of covering his bases with negativity in case this bailout scam doesn’t work.
Posted by: LongT | March 3, 2009, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Obama, and all his Leftist ilk, have spent an entire generation mischaracterizing, demonizing, over-taxing, over-regulating, and making every possible effort, to cripple US business and the capitalist system in general. And they’ve done so wherever they haven’t been able to squeeze a few direct donation dollars, away from the most cowardly, among our business holding brethren.
Yet now, as it’s becoming more clear that Obama’s Leftist positions are surely killing off the “Golden Goose” of the American economy, American business, Obama suddenly wants us all, to bail him out by investing again? That’s absurd!
Today, our cash reserves are much safer stashed away in an offshore bank in Antigua, or stuffed into the guts of the mattress, than ANYWHERE Obama and his Lefty pals can find a way to rob more, and further pillage, what little remains of our suddenly shrunken Nest Eggs!!
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m planning on just laying low. At least until this band of Lefty tax and spend marauders get exiled again, back into the political prisons of reality. That they have all so well earned, and truly do deserve.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
I would be embarrased right now if I had voted for Obama
Posted by: billy bob | Mar 3, 2009 3:13:02 PM
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In 6 months you can’t find anyone that will claim that they voted for him. You can’t cure stupid. Hopefully in 2 years we can clean out part of the mess that is creating our problems.
Posted by: Mildred
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They all still have their Obama Hope and Change bumperstickers on their cars – wonder how long before those start disappearing?
Posted by: msg | March 3, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
kat I saw a bumper sticker that said, “I cannot believe there are 54 million idiots in this country”. I am trying to find one.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
kat:”A big, hearty thank you to the 54 million people out there who voted for this vacuous moron. ”
69 million people voted for Obama, Yes, that is more than any other candidate, but when you look at it as a percentage of the US population to account for growth, incumbent Ronald Reagan in 1984 slightly bested it. So Obama only has the second largest base of support in the past century (no data for before then in the 3/5ths and men-only voting era).
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
“Buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you’ve got a long-term perspective on it.” i.e. investing just might work out if you live long enough?
Posted by: LongT | March 3, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
CNBC’s Jim Cramer called it right this morning. It is “amateur hour” in the Presidency.
Of all the possible candidates, Obama was the least prepared to handle economic or foreign policy issues. He has had absolutely NO contact or development in either area. Obama’s world has been ACORN workshops and seminars with aging “revolutionaries”. And to further the disaster, Obama is so arrogant in HIS supreme ability that he will not accept that he lacks the knowledge.
Obama simply isn’t intelligent enough to realize that the markets and economy are crashing because the money knows that his policies are a recipe for a disaster. The money has been cashing out since Nov 4th, 2008 and pretty speeches are not going to get investors to throw their money in an economy which is bound to contract.
If he was serious about wanting to increase the economy, he would come out tomorrow with a pro-business agenda and getting money in the hands of consumers, not increasing government.
Posted by: LogicalUS | March 3, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
I would be embarrased right now if I had voted for Obama
Posted by: billy bob | Mar 3, 2009 3:13:02 PM
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In 6 months you can’t find anyone that will claim that they voted for him. You can’t cure stupid. Hopefully in 2 years we can clean out part of the mess that is creating our problems.
Posted by: Mildred
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They all still have their Obama Hope and Change bumperstickers on their cars – wonder how long before those start disappearing?
Posted by: msg | Mar 3, 2009 3:30:25 PM
They will keep the bumber stickers as long as the checks keep comming.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
HA HA.
WHAT A HOOT–OBAMA CHANNELING BUSH
GO SHOPPING.
HA HA HA
Posted by: morninmist | March 3, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
billy bob:”I saw a bumper sticker that said, “I cannot believe there are 54 million idiots in this country”. I am trying to find one.”
Since Obama won 69 million votes, I have to admit the thought of a member of the Republican Party of Ignorance driving around with that on their bumper gave me a good chuckle.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
jhw539 You got the point.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
billy bob:”jhw539 You got the point.”
Oh, I’m not keeping score. I just found it amusing.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Contrary to the ill wishers, the economic stimulus will make a positive impact, so it would actually be smart investing to start buying on the bear market. The sooner the better, I’d say.
Posted by: ajax | March 3, 2009, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Obama is a socialist to the core. Until he and his anti growth, anti capitalist, anti free market policies are reined in/undone, the market will not turn around. Blame Bush all you want because that way you don’t have to understand how things work and why the markets are in the tank. It’s so much easier that way.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
jhw539 You are not one of the “69 million” are you?
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
jhw539 Do you honestly think Obama is not going to raise that tax too to pay for all these bailouts. Congressional Democrats are always cranking out that gem of class warfare. Now they want us to invest so they can demonize and take. I think not.
Posted by: bct | March 3, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
“WHAT A HOOT–OBAMA CHANNELING BUSH
GO SHOPPING.”
The “Obama” organization is also channeling Cheney-Bush on executive privilege and secrecy, domestic spying, and adoration of the soldier cult.
Go shopping with WHAT, a zillion people are wondering.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | March 3, 2009, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Umm, reason, you best check your information.
Frannie and Freddie mac had a huge hand in the banking crisis by saying they would buy any sub-prime mortgage. Who runs Fannie and Freddie, Democrats like Franklin D. Raines. Surely you are not going to tell me he is a republican.
Secondly in 2002 the Bush Administration tried to reign in Freddie and Fannie and was stymied by the Democrats in Congress. Why? Cause Freddie and Fannie are run by Democrats who give to Democrats, and in one instance is a lover of Barney Franks.
Dispute just one piece of the above information reason. Just one.
Posted by: James Stephenson | March 3, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
This market has not even come close to its bottom. Moreover, that hopey changey thing apparently doesn’t apply to the investor class so Obama is turning on his market mojo, just his Marxist mojo.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
What difference does it make 69M or 54M morons that voted for oblabla; they are still morons…can’t believe they were so hoodwinked. A certain % has to suffer right along with the rest of us and the rest will get $$$$ and big benefits.
Posted by: Mildred | March 3, 2009, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Buy stocks? I’d love to be able to buy stocks, but, unfortunately…
1. I am NOT a loony-left liberal d-crat TAX CHEAT, so I can’t “geithner” my taxes to have money for stocks
2. Nor am I a slug, slacker, liar, deadbeat, loser or incompetent who worked the system to get a mortgage I could never realistically afford, with lots of help from d-crat buffoon barney frank – so hussein won’t pay my mortgage with tax dollars from hard working, responsible American taxpayers, which means I have to keep paying my mortgage instead of buying stocks
3. Also, as a hard-working, responsible American citizen taxpayer, I will not be getting welfare payments (i.e. something a loony-left liberal d-crat calls a “tax cut”) from hussein as part of his wealth-re-distribution plan – so I won’t have that money to invest in stocks.
4. And, finally, I have to conserve by money since I, like every other hard-working, responsible taxpayer, will soon be hit with hussein’s massive TAX INCREASE. As plagiarist-joe biden says: “Raising taxes is patriotic”. So hussein’s left-wing government will confiscate the money I would like to use to buy stocks.
Thanks for the recommendation, hussein, but your outrageous, marxist policies have scr*wed me to the wall and prevent me – and every other hard-working, responsible, taxpaying American – from have any money to buy stocks. Maybe, some of your slug and slacker pals can divert some of their welfare payments from drugs and booze to buy stocks.
Posted by: ALEX H. | March 3, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
jhw539 Do you honestly think Obama is not going to raise that tax too to pay for all these bailouts. Congressional Democrats are always cranking out that gem of class warfare. Now they want us to invest so they can demonize and take. I think not.
Posted by: bct | Mar 3, 2009 3:38:36 PM
He is in the process right now with the energy tax (cap and trade tax) This will cost everyone every time you fill up your car, use electricity, buy products that consume fuel to produce ect. ect.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
bct:” Do you honestly think Obama is not going to raise that tax too to pay for all these bailouts. Congressional Democrats are always cranking out that gem of class warfare.”
The FACT is that capital gains tax rate is currently about HALF what it is under Reagan. The FACT is that Obama is proposing raising it equal the lowest amount it ever was. You seem entirely ignorant of how low the Republican borrow-and-spend government has driven tax levels in this country.
A progressive tax system was invented and put in place by the people who have the money for a reason – it is the ONLY approach that has ever, in the history of the world, been shown to support a prosperous and free country. Returning the tax system to closer to where it was in the 90′s, good years for everyone, is hardly class warfare.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
If I were in cash right now I would stay in it. It is not yet time to jump back in.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
“I don’t know about the rest of you, but I’m planning on just laying low”
I attempted to tell a bunch of Leftists this exact thing back in Oct\Nov, especially when the market began its crash on Nov 4th, but most simply do not understand.
They really believe that stock prices are like a report card from high school. It is beyond their capacity to see that the market is a projection of the anticipated direction of the economy.
Now I just simplify it down to:
What did you think that the “rich” were going to wait around quietly until Barry and his gang of communists came to spread their wealth?
Posted by: LogicalUS | March 3, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Great news – I’m catching onto this new way of life. I have no doubt that if I invest ALL of my savings into the stock market and it sinks even lower and I lose it all, I know that MY government will bail me out, give me free health care, housing, cable TV and provide for my retirement. I’m liking this new US of A! Where do I throw my money first? AIG?
Posted by: Risk Taker | March 3, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Dispute just one piece of the above information reason. Just one.
Posted by: James Stephenson | Mar 3, 2009 3:41:28 PM
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Wasn’t an exec of Freddie or Fanny was a significant other of Barney Frank?
Posted by: Mildred | March 3, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
what667: Good try at some reasoning. However, you can’t reason with people who insist on being unreasonable. If you read these blogs, the name calling and convaluded logic tells it all; these are the remnants of the Jesse Helm’s School of Ideology. Everyone else is an “idiot” or “clueless”.
Posted by: Mike in Carolina | March 3, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
actually good hear something positive whether its true or not. i tell my wife she looks good and she feels better as a result. mat not be true but it is to her and that counts.anything better than doom doom doom.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
LogicalUS:”It is beyond their capacity to see that the market is a projection of the anticipated direction of the economy.”
So I am sure you made a pretty penny shorting the market. (I know I made a fair bit moving my money into international funds when Bush came into office and I thought his incompetence would crash the dollar somehow.)
And I never have heard the market called a projection of the anticipated direction of the economy, but I only make money off it not bumperstickers.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
jrw539 What do you think about this plan???He is in the process right now with the energy tax (cap and trade tax) This will cost everyone every time you fill up your car, use electricity, buy products that consume fuel to produce ect. ect.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
I can see that there are a lot of rush-listening idiots here today. Anyone notice that the new RNC leader michael steele wimped out today and apologized to rush. The repub’s are really up a creek without a brain these days. People need to realize it will take some time to clean up the bush-league mess that was created over the last 8 years. Now turn off rush before ALL your brain cells are gone people.
Posted by: pt | March 3, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
” … so it would actually be smart investing to start buying on the bear market.”
We GET it that this is pirate times for those WITH $. The bazillion with NO $ don’t engage in “investing” smart OR dumb.
What did they DO to the economy, exactly, back in September when it looked as though, for all the fixes at every level, the “Obama” organization would NOT “win” the election??
Whatever it was, they can’t undo it … so seem to be contenting themselves with emptying the Treasury into corporate pockets.
Posted by: Human Intelligence | March 3, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
James, you hit right on the head. The only person you left out was Chris Dodd and how Fanny May/Mac gave to his campaign. He was #1. Raines made 9 million dollars in 6 years for a salary with Franks help. You talk about a bunch of crooks?
Posted by: oldrtoy | March 3, 2009, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
“Secondly in 2002 the Bush Administration tried to reign in Freddie and Fannie and was stymied by the Democrats in Congress.”
How incompetent is the Bush administration to have been stymied by the minority party without even a filibuster? Seriously, they were the majority in the House and took the majority in the Senate. What mechanism did the minority party use to stymie the efforts of the most-popular-ever (in the wake of 9/11) president and the Republican Congress? How hard did he really try?
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
mildred,,,barneys frank ended up in freddies fanny. so yes
Posted by: catman | Mar 3, 2009 3:52:34 PM
GOOD ONE
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
pt …if you are so right about repubs best that woory about your own leader and let us dimwits worry about rush and our party.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Bought a new Harley Road King today. Gonna start turning loose of some of my money. Time to start living again and sharing what wealth I have with other American workers. Buy American!
Posted by: Clint | March 3, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
catman, billy bob:
Does that fall under the don’t ask, don’t tell policy?? HA…
catman: That was a good one.
Posted by: Mildred | March 3, 2009, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
billy bob:”What do you think about this plan???He is in the process right now with the energy tax (cap and trade tax) This will cost everyone every time you fill up your car, use electricity, buy products that consume fuel to produce ect.”
The ‘energy tax’ is long overdue. If it weren’t for our dependence on oil, the middle east would just be another pathetic collection of failed states like Africa. The true cost of gas includes all the lives and money we have to spend to try to keep those ungrateful medievalists pumping oil, and for the market to work the true cost should be reflected in the market. It’s already costing everyone, I am heartened to see that it will start costing everyone in proportion to how much they use so the magic of the market can go to work on optimizing consumption.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
I actually don’t find it hard to believe that I have read here that the current situation is being made worse by Obama. That jury is still out, although for blame, let’s look at the BUSH administration’s and 8 years of profligacy, cronyism, and ineptitude.
Many of the posts push the Dem vs Rep debate. That is idiotic. It is the have vs the have-not debate. The bailout is the last grab at the remaining wealth that the U.S. has. Step outside the box of partisan politics and see that this is NOT something that either party owns or that either can resolve UNTIL THEY REPRESENT THE PEOPLE against the MONIED INTERESTS who just want to make money by USURY and Financial legerdermain. TRUE BUSINESSES that make THINGS in AMERICA should have their taxes cut. FINANCIAL manipulations should be taxed at VERY HIGH rates ( 90% and more ), with patient capital rewarded based on some predetermined formula as we do now with short term and long term capital gains.
Posted by: Barry | March 3, 2009, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Jhw539 wrote: “Obama proposes a small increase to 20%”
Jhw, are you an Investor? Surely not.
What you clearly don’t comprehend, is just EXACTLY what Obama’s capial gains tax increase means, as that tax increase and it’s effects reverberate throughout the markets, and throughout the general economy as well.
At a capital gains tax rate of “”20%”, BEFORE any Investor can sell off an investment, attempting to take in some small amount of profitable “gain”, that investment MUST have gained AT LEAST more than “20%” in REAL value, PLUS an additional amount to cover ALL transaction expenses, JUST to BREAK EVEN.
Therefore, ANY increase in capital gains tax causes capital to become more stagnate, rather than having those funds continuously re-circulated throughout the economy, while being moved around into areas of the markets, where those funds can (and will) make the most of all free market strengths, and weaknesses as well.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Does anyone have any money to invest? Too many people voted for this idiot.
Posted by: oldrtoy | March 3, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
clint….right on brother. i just went out and bought an electric guitar amps the whole 9 yards. cheap enterainment for me and good for the music store………….its time to legalize or decriminalize drugs …period. save lots of money and crime and i am a conservative.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
mildred…thank you
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
yeah like we have to money to do anything with…i have to pay bills ..not stocks
Posted by: Mary B | March 3, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Hey everyone, he did afterall promise “change.” He should have specified that he was referring to nickels, dimes, and quarters.
Posted by: Richard, Dubuque | March 3, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Just Tex You are getting way too technical for our liberal friends.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Billy bob: I’d bet you can’t define “liberal” because Rush never does.The so called race card was always there. Where do you think racism went except into denial? The evidence is the double standards applied to BHO by those who were tolerant of any and all Bush mis-steps but are now experts and critics about any and everything.
Posted by: Mike in Carolina | March 3, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
New bumpersticker idea:
Don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for him!
Posted by: nobo | March 3, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Investors don’t like BO policies. Just maybe the bailouts, the threats levied on Wall Street and the 3 trillion budget actually aren’t working. Is this his vision of socialism? Can’t wait to hear the next nonsensical comments from Nancy and Harry.
Posted by: fedup_11 | March 3, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
oldtroy….lots of money on sidelines…..thats why mortgage rates have dropped.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
I am heartened to see that it will start costing everyone in proportion to how much they use so the magic of the market can go to work on optimizing consumption.
Posted by: jhw539 | Mar 3, 2009 3:58:28 PM
You are going to have to clarify that remark.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Riiiiight ! Let’s use Obama as our financial advisor.
Posted by: Ron | March 3, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
Same as our current President used in his campaign to shut off discussions on him.
They used “race”.
The video is out there and is truly a disgrace to see as Barney Frank and the other leftists on the Banking committee lambasted the FEDERAL REGULATOR who conducted the audit and found the problems and was reporting them back to the committee. He was accused of racism and not wanting minorities to get housing like whites. Then they claimed it was witchhunt against the host of former Clinton era leftists who were running these agencies. And your valiant Liberals personally vouched for the soundness of corporations and the expertise of the Leftists running them like, Raines, Gorelick and Rahm Emmanuel.
This video should have been played wall-to-wall before the election in order to show the utter disgrace which Barney Frank and the other Democrats made of attempts to reign in Freddie\Fannie.
But of course, our beloved MSM had some leftists to get elected so whitewash and distortion. A newscast is NOT hosting Barney Frank and Chris Dodd to discuss the “attack” by the Republicans.
Posted by: LogicalUS | March 3, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
mike in carolina,,,i think you might be stuck on the race card. every party in the minority ( gop) are critics.. thats the role they serve just as the dems did . so race has nothing to with it uless you are eric holder.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Mike in Carolina I hate to break it to you but the majority of all of the racism i saw was within the Democratic party nomination, not from the republicans.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
catman wrote:”.its time to legalize or decriminalize drugs …period. save lots of money and crime and i am a conservative”.
I hear you man, and agree. Legalize drugs, tax it, and rock on. Same thing with prostitution, legalize and tax it. I’m a Southern Baptist….sort of like being a conservative. lol
Posted by: Clint | March 3, 2009, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
How many BILLION will the banks, auto industry consume within their mis-managed web of deceit? This seems to be never-ending! They continue to come back for more and more! I’m beginning to think as most did earlier before the TARP monies were dealt out, that the AMERICAN TAXPAYORS should have gotten that money to really STIMULATE THE ECONOMY! I think it’s even more foolish that it was going to ‘trickle down’ to consumers…WHAT A JOKE! I know personally, if I had been given 20K dollars, I would spend it!!! We’ve got it wrong…it’s TRICKLE UP that will work.
Posted by: gdguynbalt | March 3, 2009, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Exactly. The Democrats have always played the race card when the Republicans called for investigations into Fannie and Freddie. I fault them for caving and I fault Bush for that as well. Team Obama will continue to play the race card because it discourages any sort of scrutiny or criticism.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Exactly. The Democrats have always played the race card when the Republicans called for investigations into Fannie and Freddie. I fault them for caving and I fault Bush for that as well. Team Obama will continue to play the race card because it discourages any sort of scrutiny or criticism.
Posted by: Joanne600 | Mar 3, 2009 4:12:55 PM
You hit the nail on the head with all of the above.
Posted by: billy bob | March 3, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Yes, unfortunately, thanks to Barack Obama, my “long term perspective” just turned from one year into something along the lines of 10 years. thanks for that.
Posted by: LtColMarine | March 3, 2009, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Obama is wrong, wrong, wrong on this one — sorry but it’s true. Right now people should save, save, save — not buy, buy, buy! Buying stocks when they are at rock bottom is risky! Much better to wait until they start to go up a little and show some stability.
I can’t believe only a few months ago we were mocking McCain and saying he didn’t understand the economy!
At this point, I”m starting to bury gold in my backyard because at the rate we’re going, things are going to get pretty bad pretty fast!
Posted by: time2go | March 3, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Jhw539 wrote: “The ‘energy tax’ is long overdue.”
All types of “energy” usage are already (heavily) taxed, at every possible level of government.
What Obama is proposing, is to create (literally out of thin air) an entirely new level of government, in an attempt to reign in our “energy” use.
Despite your obviously starry eyed concepts of so called ~renewable~ “energy”, the technology to operate a modern economy on pixie dust, simply doesn’t exist.
And attempting to force us into developing some type of LaLa land “energy” BEFORE the technology exists, will ONLY cause our economy for fall further into an incomplete, unsuitable, “energy” abyss.
Btw, if you’re so concerned about “energy” use, do yourself and all of us a huge favor, and turn off your “energy” gobbling computer, move yourself and your family into a nifty little cave somewhere, and eat grass, roots, and the odd bird or rabbit you might be fortunate enough to catch, from time to time.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
BHO trying to sell Wall street & Americans a false bill of goods. They already know that things don’t look very rosy. – What a fool President. “Yes! We can’t.”
Posted by: leo | March 3, 2009, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Just Tex:”What you clearly don’t comprehend, is just EXACTLY what Obama’s capial gains tax increase means, as that tax increase and it’s effects reverberate throughout the markets, and throughout the general economy as well. ”
You seem to be completely oblivious to the ACTUAL HISTORICAL FACT that a 20% rate, what Obama proposes, is low. Lower than during most of the nation’s expansions – lower than during much of Reagan’s term, lower than during the 90′s. So your theoretical argument is shown to be a lie by reality. Why do you never test your theory against reality? (Oh, and you completely neglect the benefits of putting in a cost barrier to rampant speculation – but historical reality does not.)
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
Clint: “Bought a new Harley Road King today. Gonna start turning loose of some of my money. Time to start living again and sharing what wealth I have with other American workers. Buy American!”
I love my Harley Sportster, but let me tell you a little story. One of my Clients makes Gaskets. I helped them move their Data to a new Software system at the end of last year. They have a plant in Mexico that makes Gaskets also. Guess ‘WHO?’ buys Gaskets made at this Mexico Plant? :)
Posted by: ajax | March 3, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
I would buy stocks now but
Bush and the $4.00 gallon
oil companies got all my
money!
Posted by: Eldon | March 3, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
billy bob wrote: “Just Tex You are getting way too technical for our liberal friends.”
That’s likely so. However, IF they can absorb some amount of reality, The Truth Will Set Them Free! ;-]
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Save your money, BHO is taking this down further. It’s all about power and control. The next round of tea parties will be on April 15th. Find one in your area or start one. Lots of info out there!
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
Billy Bob: I honestly believe you because you can’t see what you’re not really looking for. In the 60′s the GOP fought tooth an nail to keep blacks from voting and using public accomodations.Don’t take my word for it. See the Congressional Records (or news archives) and don’t forget to note the fillibustering which they refined into a modern day art.
Posted by: Mike in Carolina | March 3, 2009, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm
reason,
The “republican deregulation” you’re blaming was signed into law under President Clinton. Please research the “Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act” and stop spreading misinformation. Thank you.
Posted by: Open-Mind | March 3, 2009, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Who is he talking to about investing in equities. He must be talking to the big institutional investors who are capable of swinging the market one way or another. They will know when to get back in not the President. Dangerous political step if the market continues down or just floats around these lows for sometime.
Posted by: William | March 3, 2009, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
“Great, a man who has never spent one minute working for a company that is traded on the stock market, and who also made all his money from a book deal is now going to tell me how to invest.
Now, THAT was funny! ROFLMAO!
Better laugh fast, we don’t know when 0 will begin taxing our sense of humor to help pay for “his” debt! :D
Posted by: ceeLeelee | March 3, 2009, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
Boy, Obama is singing a different tune about the market than he was back in October 2008 when he said that we had to act immediately to stabilize the market.
Posted by: Peach | March 3, 2009, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
jhw539 wrote: “You seem to be completely oblivious to the ACTUAL HISTORICAL FACT that a 20% rate, what Obama proposes blah, blah, blah…”
I’m very aware of the entire history of economics, throughout history. Clearly, you are not. Or, being aware just doesn’t fit into your brand of self created false reality.
With that so, I also know, raising taxes during any economic downturn, will only prolong and deepen that downturn.
I’m also aware that Leftist have always attempted to rob Peter to pay(off) Paul. Despite the always horrible consequences, of doing so.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Just Tex:”I’m very aware of the entire history of economics, throughout history. ”
Why do you insist that a 20% capital gains tax is a disaster when it has been shown to have worked during every major expansion (and recession) except those under George Bush? Why do you put ideological theory above observed reality? It just doesn’t make sense.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
Before you all run out and start buying stock, I suggest you get on the net and read the advice of two people who called our present situation very well, Michael Panzner and Jim Rogers. Both warn investors to stay out of U.S. assets as we are going bankrupt Obama’s budget which adds another two trillion in debt is certainly not going to help. You are likely to do much better taking advice from experts who have made money in the market, than from a politician.
Posted by: dds | March 3, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
at least Obama can complete
a sentence, nice to listen
to a intelligent President.
Posted by: Eldon | March 3, 2009, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
It amazes me that our leaders feel people are going to spend!!!,The banks are getting money and it is not helping, because people are not taking out loans.
You want to stimulate the banks / businesses car industrie etc.
Put $100000 in the hands of us middle class americans you will see that money be spent…. And this will stimulate all aspects of the economy
Posted by: Will Hell | March 3, 2009, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
He must have been talking to his hollywood friends because who else has any money left? What a clown.
Posted by: msg | March 3, 2009, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Just Tex:”And attempting to force us into developing some type of LaLa land “energy” BEFORE the technology exists, will ONLY cause our economy for fall further into an incomplete, unsuitable, “energy” abyss.”
R-19 insulation is ‘lala land’? Double pane low-e windows? LED stop lights? These aren’t minor savings – applied on a wide basis, as only a free market with accurate cost signals can do, there are massive energy saving opportunities. Currently, many of the costs of energy (ranging from stabilizing the middle east to pollution mitigation) are NOT included in the price of the energy. Adding an appropriate tax allows the market to properly optimize the use of energy. It’s time to stop subsidizing energy (did you know the federal fuel tax doesn’t even cover federal highway spending – it has to be directly subsidized from the general fund).
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
the man is CLUELESS. THANK YOU so much for electing an idiot.
Posted by: jason | March 3, 2009, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
dds wrote:”You are likely to do much better taking advice from experts who have made money in the market, than from a politician”.
My old Daddy told me years ago that if you want advice, you ask somebody that has been a success. Your so called “experts” most likely are the ones that got us into this mess. I do my OWN thinking, OWN investing, and I’m starting to buy cause prices are cheap and my money helps other American.
Posted by: Clint | March 3, 2009, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Mike in Carolina wrote: “In the 60′s the GOP fought tooth an nail to keep blacks from voting and using public accomodations.”
Nonsense. A Republican (Lincoln) freed the slaves. Republicans proposed and enacted every single “Civil Rights Act”, starting at the end of the so called Civil War. And, Republicans fought against Southern Democrats tooth and nail, to see to it that Blacks could and would overcome the effects of Democrat created segregation policies.
Lyndon Johnson himself, was an avid racist and complete segregationist, until he saw the writing on the political wall, and all the emerging political advantages, of supporting Civil Rights. Only then, did Johnson and most other elected Democrats embrace causes traditionally supported by Blacks.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
You all are throwing stone and the President, when all he’s trying to do to clean up what the last president messed up. GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE AND QUIT ALL OF THE COMPLAINING. IF YOU CAN DO BETTER THAT DO IT…………
Posted by: keys1955 | March 3, 2009, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
eldon – you a poet? maybe you know it? i hope obama doesn’t blow it, but i doubt b/c i know better.
Posted by: jason | March 3, 2009, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
He says to buy, buy, buy? There’s my first clue – I’m holding on to every penny I have as tight as I can. The president is willing to keep throwing our good money at bad situations, I, however, am not.
Posted by: Not buying it - or anything else for that matter | March 3, 2009, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Mike – LBJ started the War on Poverty 45 years ago and has done a wonderful job of keeping Blacks on the Democratic plantation. It was simply the beginning of vote buying – would have been nice if it had all worked out in terms of helping people, but instead it has largely kept people dependent upon the state and unable to care well for themselves. New Orleans’ response to Katrina was evidence of the mentality. People unable to take care of themselves because the state has been doing it for generations. I am no more proud of that legacy than I am of slavery. The shackles just look different, but the lack of respect is the same. You can blame both parties in this country at various times for racial issues, but the welfare shackles are the property of the left. Now all that was undone under Clinton is being revived under Obama in the form of a once again larger welfare state.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
I AM BUYING STOCKS OF KOOL-AID PRODUCTS WITH MY 13 DOLLARS.
WHAT A JOKE HE IS!
Posted by: Greg | March 3, 2009, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
clint….sounds like fun….you know where the saying dont give up the milk free started? the great depression. EVERYTHANG has a value so dont give it away.will liberals go long with decriminalization?
Posted by: cataman | March 3, 2009, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
keys1955 – NO, i won’t give him a chance. he’s had two months and look what he’s done, why the hell should i give him 46 more?
Posted by: jason | March 3, 2009, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
So now we’re supposed to take financial advice from a man who has never owned a business, never WORKED for a business, hires tax cheaters to oversee our money, puts us 3 TRILLION dollars in debt by spending money we don’t have on pork we don’t need, and whose every utterance sinks the Dow Jones lower and lower?
No thanks. Sell your Hope and Change and your Tutti-Frutti Kool-Aid drink to somebody who still has money. My money’s going under the mattress.
Posted by: BlofeldBuildings | March 3, 2009, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
This is dangerous talk. I agree and feel we are at the bottom of this mess. I see visibility come June or July. My take; the latest September. It IS absolutely a perfect time to INVEST in the stock market. We may never see such an opportunity (hopefully not) again. HOWEVER, you MUST do your homework and be careful where you invest. I always tell unsophisticated investors to buy stock in companies of products that they use. Look at your utilities, your sundries etc. (I would stay away from most banks though) Make sure they pay dividends and reinvest them. Basically what this market is telling us is that the money you invested in 1996 made no money (excluding dividend re)and that is primarily due to (with many of these companies) revenue accounted by not adhering to fundamental practices.
Posted by: FS | March 3, 2009, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Buy what? My job is gone twice!! not once twice! I have to emphasize this because I’m 43 and getting another job never mind the two I had sounds, Nobody wants someone who is My age, I can’t get a job doing anything in my area, so buy what? Do You have a Bailout plan for people who just spent their lives working to pay taxes and lost long term employment? I don’t have to hold my hand out, never have and I’ve come real close lately and to be honest with you, I’m starting to question the Integrity of our whole System, Do you mean to tell Me this President doesn’t know the numbers are down because we have no jobs? Or is it just Me? A record High, High , High does He know this or are we just wasting time? Buy what!!!
Posted by: David | March 3, 2009, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Jason, my thanks for speaking your mind. I happen to agree with you. I mean I knew the man wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, but each day, he makes a comment that reinforces his stupidity. He is indeed, the deer in the headlights. He, the oh-so-experienced one, is now gainsaying experts in the field who were playing the stocks game before he was a twinkle in his daddy’s eye. If you listen to Barack Obama, I have a nice piece of waterfront property in Arizona for you. If you listen to his advice, you deserve what is going to come your way.
Posted by: Lisa Again | March 3, 2009, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
“You can’t teach an old dog new tricks” and you definitely can’t teach a brainwashed Democrat anything either. The proof is written all over this place.
Posted by: Lisa Again | March 3, 2009, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Invest ?….Invest ? Groucho, Chico, Harpo and the rest of the Marx family in the United States Senate can invest in this fiasco ! Along with most Americans, I am paying off any debt as fast as I can, limiting purchases and wondering what won’t be left to tax after these clowns are done pillaging my country.
Posted by: Patriot | March 3, 2009, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
David wrote: “Do You have a Bailout plan for people who just spent their lives working to pay taxes and lost long term employment?”
Don’t forget David, you’ve also lost about half of your retirement, if it was wrapped up in a mutual fund, like so many plans are…
And, if Obama has his way, your retirement will likely fall even farther down the socialist memory hole, before he’s finished paying off all his short selling Left leaning pals, like Buffet and Soros.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
What a clueless buffoon. While granite boulders and mountains rain down from above, this moron is shouting “The sky is NOT falling!!”
Posted by: Punkindrublic | March 3, 2009, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
I recall Obama saying during the campaign that he had never invested in the stock market. I got the impression he was rather proud of that.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Why should people buy now? As Washington continues to promote its new economic policies people will be able to pick up even bigger bargains in a couple months.
Posted by: Publius | March 3, 2009, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Just Tex:”Republicans proposed and enacted every single “Civil Rights Act”, starting at the end of the so called Civil War.”
Any student of history is aware of the Dixiecrat era. Likewise, they are aware of the “Southern Strategy” and exactly how many of the dozens of black representatives in Congress are Republican (hint: zero).
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
The truth is we were all lied to, we’ve been had and we’re getting angry…remember when Obama promised to take a scalpel to any PORK in any bill or budget, utilizing LINE ITEM VETO.
Posted by: msg | March 3, 2009, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Sorry Prez, no money to buy with….you and your friends gave it to the banks who in turn will NOT give us a break. And the market is not bobbing, it’s called TANKING!!!!!!! “We” did not get “us” into this mess, Washington did. Of course this is all in the hopes that he or some of his people read this………Obama staff: Please forward this whole section….I think Prez needs to know what’s really going on out here…or if he needs to know where to forward MY Stimulus check to help buy up some of this stock………
Posted by: kab4usa | March 3, 2009, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm
What a stroke
Posted by: Big Johnson | March 3, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
I swear to God this man is crazy
Posted by: Raymond | March 3, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Mike in Carolina read your history a little more. There is a democrat from West Virginia named Byrd who was a staunch opponent of the civil rights movement and a memeber of the KKK
Posted by: boxcar | March 3, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
msg:”remember when Obama promised to take a scalpel to any PORK in any bill or budget, utilizing LINE ITEM VETO.”
No, because he NEVER SAID THAT. As a constitutional scholar he – actually, any high schooler – knows the president does not have a line item veto and the Supreme Court has declared a Presidential line item veto as an unconstitutional usurpation of Congress’s ‘power of the purse.’
Please try to stick to reality rather than fabricating nonsensical quotes out of whole cloth when you’re attacking Obama.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Lisa Again wrote: “I happen to agree with you. I mean I knew the man wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, but each day, he makes a comment that reinforces his stupidity. He is indeed, the deer in the headlights.”
I disagree. Obama well knows he’s driving the economy down.
How else are Obama’s Lefty pals going to take profits from a sinking economy, other than selling short? Then, turning on a dime, to buy back at the bottom?? Only Obama can, and is very cleverly, manipulating this economy.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
The right wing is out in force in these comments. They must glue themselves to their monitors all day long. No wonder they’re losing money…they don’t seem to work…just sit around and criticize! With that kind of poison out there, it’s a wonder we’re still alive. Negative thinking never got anyone anywhere. Whether the conservatives like it or not, Obama is in for the next four years. Get used to it!
Posted by: sosupernova | March 3, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
boxcar:”There is a democrat from West Virginia named Byrd who was a staunch opponent of the civil rights movement”
Out of curiosity, how is David Duke (former R rep) doing? Shall we get into a discussion on the life of Strom Thurmond? Or even Trent Lott (although he’s just proven to be a bit gaffe prone).
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Lord, we heard this 8 years ago after 9/11 and teh Tech Wreck. The markets are at 1997 levels.
how long is long term? My poor parents are now in their late 60′s do not have 10 plus years to wait.
I am not sure if any of us have 10 years to wait. If we have cash, maybe should just keep paying down the credit cards to match the decreases in credit limits that come every day. You pay down to improve your FICO and darn, if they do not lower your limit and your FICO again!
I wanted to go to cash in 2001 and am moving that way now. Cash and gold are perhaps the best bet, if you ahve funds available.
Posted by: scott jeffries | March 3, 2009, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
jhw539 You just dont get it…its not about party.
Posted by: boxcar | March 3, 2009, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
nobias88:”Read this Wall Street Journal article. Even a left-leaning newspaper cannot defend Pres. Obama anymore.”
Wow, you’re calling the Wallstreet Journal (owned by the same company as FoxNews) left leaning? How far out there are you?
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
I’ll consider buying on 1/21/2013.
Posted by: Art | March 3, 2009, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Why should anyone believe Obama that now is the time to invest? Every time he talks the market goes down. Mr. Obama SHUT UP. You are killing my retirement account.
Posted by: CW | March 3, 2009, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
This is as bad as Bush telling everyone to go out and shop. Remember last year during the primaries Obama couldn’t figure out if the capital gains tax should he higher, lower or remain the same? LOL. Presidents seem to be good salespeople but bad with economics.
Posted by: Grover | March 3, 2009, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
boxcar:
“There is a democrat from West Virginia”
…
“You just dont get it…its not about party.”
Then your original post made absolutely no sense.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
jhw – Sorry but nothing trumps Byrd. Duke is indefensible, but Byrd has been in Congress for about a hundred years now.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
It all makes sense if you understand that he is doing this on purpose. Who benefits from a collapse of our system?
Anybody? Bueller?
Posted by: Art | March 3, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Why doesn’t he buy himself first, the bottom line is, he is not spending his money, he is spending YOUR money, it’s always easy to spend someone else money.
Posted by: scott | March 3, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
The president said his “main message to the American people is to just recognize that we dug a very deep hole for ourselves. There were a lot of bad decisions that were made.”
Why do I feel like the hole is getting DEEPER due to the WORSE bad decisions being made?
Posted by: tjp612 | March 3, 2009, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
sosupernova I agree he is a one term president
Posted by: boxcar | March 3, 2009, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
“What you’re now seeing is … profit and earning ratios are starting to get to the point where buying stocks is a potentially good deal if you’ve got a long-term perspective on it,” the president said on a day that trading continued to hover under 7,000.
Actually it’s called the Price to Earning Ratio.
It sort of defeats the purpose of trying to encourage investors when you screw up the most basic of terminology.
Posted by: TW | March 3, 2009, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm
Kr,I’m a little surprized, knowing
that bushes request was a total flop.
Maybe he has a better plan.
Posted by: spacerook1 | March 3, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
jhw539 you started this line…I didnt
Posted by: boxcar | March 3, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
scott jeffries:”My poor parents are now in their late 60′s do not have 10 plus years to wait. ”
They should NOT be in the stock market then, and if they are they have been the victims of really poor financial advice. Thank goodness social security privatization failed or else with poor planning like that they would be looking at ending their life entirely dependent on charity. By their late 60′s they should have AT LEAST half their assets in income investments like bonds or fixed rate CDs. It’s investing 101 that you don’t put money that could be needed in the short term (5-10 years) in the stockmarket.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Who voted for him to became The President?
He thinks he can fool you for the 2nd time.
Posted by: cilla | March 3, 2009, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
I’ve been hanging in there for the past year watching my portfolio lose 55% of it’s value. I spent 30 years living without in order to build up that solid retirement plan and now I know for certain that I won’t make it.
Today, I moved it all into a fixed rate plan. It won’t earn much but, hopefully, it’ll be safer.
I believed; I voted; irresponsible lending banks as well as it’s major failsafe (AIG) is taking us all down.
It’s a new age dawning. Will we survive? Time will tell.
Posted by: cctidepools | March 3, 2009, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
I work in a music store, that sells high end pianos.($1,000.00 up to $125,000.00 WE ARE DYING!! Thanks to BHO. Who do you think buy my pianos? People with money. People who are losing money in the capital gaines tax. Business people who have lost their shirt in the stock marked. He sure screwed our business. Big time.It’s a small store and since my owner is afraid of the payroll tax increase, we are talking about..who can we do without to cut down cost. I told my boss to go out in the parking lot and let every employee who has an obama sticker on their car go. Don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for him.
Posted by: Carol in Alabama | March 3, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Buy? Did he say buy? I thought he promised us all a bunch of FREE stuff? Where’s my FREE healthcare? Where’s my FREE college for my kids? When can I stop paying my mortgage and get bailed out? Buy? As in pay for something? Nah, I’ll just wait for the free stuff…..
Posted by: Confused | March 3, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
Not only are we losing our life savings, but in the 2010 budget Obama has proposed going from a zero death tax to a 45% death tax.
Posted by: Peach | March 3, 2009, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
“It’s investing 101 that you don’t put money that could be needed in the short term (5-10 years) in the stockmarket. ”
Sounds like someone failed Investing 101, the minimum time frame has never been that long before. It used to be 3-5 years. Either they failed it, or changing the timeframe is just more Democrat double-speak, as when Obama talks about “fiscal responsibility”.
Posted by: Stan | March 3, 2009, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
Does the man know that there are not too many of us that have excess capital to invest in stocks? Has he seen the last two weeks of nothing but posting losses by the end of the day? If I had money to invest, I would like to see the market turn even a little rather than continue its precipitous descent.
Also, as a parent of two college age students (with two other students to put through) we invested in the market (low risk stocks) as we were told to save for their college expenses. We are trying desperately NOT to use that money because with the market falling daily, its value has decreased with college tuition rising. We have been forced to take out more loans and hope that the market begins to recover so we can help our children pay back their loans upon graduation. Buy stocks now! How insulting and arrogant can he be?!!
Posted by: mccollegemom | March 3, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
First GWB spent 5-7 Trillion and now BHO is spending 2 Trillion. Game over, we’re done.
Posted by: RGinSC | March 3, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Joanne600:”Sorry but nothing trumps Byrd”
I won’t be a bit sorry when Byrd leaves, but read up a bit on Thurmond. He holds the record for the longest single person filibuster in Senate history – 24 hours and 18 minutes in an attempt to stall the Civil Rights Act of 1957. He also ran for president on a strong segregationist platform in 1948.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Obama’s plan: We dug a big hole. We’re broke. So we’re going to spend more money.
Posted by: Peach | March 3, 2009, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
I swear to God this man is crazy
Posted by: Raymond
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Don’t tell me, bush wasn’t…LOL
Posted by: spacerook1 | March 3, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
TW – If I hadn’t know better I would have sworn he was speaking off the cuff. His puppet masters need to brush up on their finance lingo so that they can write better scripts.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Why can’t you keep an eye on the market? It is time to bring in a Wall Street guru. You have to keep an eye on the market, because you don’t live in a lab.
Posted by: Average Joe | March 3, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
economy was bad before he came into office. He didn’t do this. Bush did.
this is all bush’s fault and now Obama has the amazing task of cleaning up that moron’s mess, and you people blame Obama?
Seriously?
good god. i guess it takes stupid people to vote in a stupid president twice.
Posted by: uh | March 3, 2009, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
“Out of curiosity, how is David Duke (former R rep) doing?”
David Duke has been formerly disinvited by the GOP more than once. Anyone can call themselves anything and run for office. The national and state GOP endorsed candidates running against him in the primaries and then endorsed a Democrat running against him in the general election.
OTOH, the Democrats have honored their Grand Kleagle with leadership roles in the Senate for decades, even after his TV interview where he talked about “white #$%%#$%”.
I suggest you Democrats do something about that before you try to lecture ANYONE on issues of race.
Posted by: Stan | March 3, 2009, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
uh – You don’t really do your argument justice when you simply call your opposition stupid. I’m sure you have more solid facts to put forward to support your point of view.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
jhw539 both parties have their dark side. Neither one is looking out for us no matter what they say.
Posted by: boxcar | March 3, 2009, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
WHERE does the bailout money’s paper trail lead?
WHOM – names & faces – has received these trillion dollars taken from the american taxpayer?
Finally one senator has asked that question
Posted by: evan thomas | March 3, 2009, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
“….now Obama has the amazing task of cleaning up that moron’s mess, and you people blame Obama?
Seriously?”
Seriously, because he’s made matters worse AND he hijacked this “crisis” to force through completely unrelated, pork-ridden liberal spending agenda.
Posted by: Stan | March 3, 2009, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
Stan:”Sounds like someone failed Investing 101, the minimum time frame has never been that long before. It used to be 3-5 years. ”
I’ve always heard 5-10 years, and in light of current events I’m pretty satisfied with having pointed my parents in that direction. (I would love to have them move in with me for a while, but only if they want more time with the granddaughter not because they have no choice.)
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
I hope everyone enjoys giving the feds 45% in death tax when their parents pay away.
That’s what Obama has proposed in his 2010 budget.
Posted by: Peach | March 3, 2009, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
“In the 60′s the GOP fought tooth an nail to keep blacks from voting and using public accomodations.”
Delusional Democrat revisonist history. Jim Crow laws were written and enforced by DEMOCRATS. GOPers in the South during the 1960s were as rare as unicorns. It was DEMOCRATS, mostly Southern, like Fulbright and Gore Sr that stood in the way of the Civil Rights Act and kept Jim Crow the law of the land in order to maintain political dominance.
Posted by: Stan | March 3, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
Obama says WE have dug ourselves in a deep hole. I have paid my taxes,have a great Fico score,always paid my mortgage on time, did not use my home as a bank and did not purchase items I could not afford. I run my own business and have never allocated a huge bonus to myself especially if productivity was lacking. So please tell me where the WE corolates.
Posted by: bomarone | March 3, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm
I didn’t vote for Bush, not once, not twice – Never. But let me say this, in no way is this ALL Bush’s fault. Clinton (whom I did vote for) started the whole Fannie/Freddie train rolling and the NAFTA express on its way. Bush dug us into a massive whole. Obama is fast-tracking us into a bottomless pit.
Posted by: Blame Game | March 3, 2009, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
“I’ve always heard 5-10 years, and in light of current events I’m pretty satisfied with having pointed my parents in that direction. ”
More Democrat revisionist nonsense. The timeframe was always 3-5 years. I suggest a little education, start with Markowitz and Sharpe’s work.
Posted by: Stan | March 3, 2009, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Delusional Democrat revisonist history. Jim Crow laws were written and enforced by DEMOCRATS. GOPers in the South during the 1960s were as rare as unicorns. It was DEMOCRATS, mostly Southern, like Fulbright and Gore Sr that stood in the way of the Civil Rights Act and kept Jim Crow the law of the land in order to maintain political dominance.
Posted by: Stan | Mar 3, 2009 5:28:04 PM
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Exactly. It is a matter of congressional record.
Posted by: Peach | March 3, 2009, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
I can not believe this president is leading down the road to socialism! anyone who voted for him is a TRUE FOOL! As a lifelong Democrat, I saw his lies from the start and anyone who ever read the little there was to know about him would have seen his vision for a Socialistic Nation.
For him, it was always about Black and White, although he did not let on to this while running! Read his books! It is clear he believed White people had run over the Blacks for too long and his mission was to fix the problem and distribute wealth to the poor people who most of were Blacks! (in his view).
He is and will be the WORST President in the history of our nation! That is if we have a nation left at all when he finishes dismantling it!
Posted by: Denise | March 3, 2009, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
Today Obama said:
Obama said he is not measuring policies against “the day-to-day gyrations of the stock market,” but by whether lending is flowing more freely, businesses are investing and the unemployed are going back to work.
So by his own standards, he is failing miserably. And by the standards of Wall Street and people who have invested in America’s future, he has failed miserably.
Posted by: Peach | March 3, 2009, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Joanne600 wrote: “The FACT is that capital gains tax rate is currently about HALF what it is under Reagan. The FACT is that Obama is proposing raising it equal the lowest amount it ever was. You seem entirely ignorant of how low the Republican borrow-and-spend government has driven tax levels in this country.
A progressive tax system was invented and put in place by the people who have the money for a reason – it is the ONLY approach that has ever, in the history of the world, been shown to support a prosperous and free country. Returning the tax system to closer to where it was in the 90′s, good years for everyone, is hardly class warfare. ”
I am sorry, but I have to argue your two points:
1. Does history for Liberals stop with Reagan? In the 1970s, Congress increased the capital-gains tax rates a couple of times until the maximum rate was almost 40 percent (precisely 39.875 percent). The combination of high capital-gains tax rates, along with high inflation in the late 1970s, was almost lethal to new investment: Capital gains were not adjusted for inflation, so the effective tax rate on assets sales often exceeded 100 percent. Considering how Liberals don’t understand economics, raising confiscatory tax rates will slow the economy. Reagan’s masterful tax cut (with a Democrat controlled Congress) showed an enorously positive impact for the economy. Even JFK cut the capital gains tax to spur along the economy in the 1960′s. (Ah Kennedy, the last tax cutting Democrat that saw an amazing supply sided boom)
2. Progressive taxation (a tenant of Marxism) has not been around all that long in the grand historical sense and seeing income tax passed as law in 1913. And we have seen two abject failure in our midst. Cast your eyes to jolly old England and France. Once great nations that thoroughly embraced Progressive taxation that have fallen from the perch. Add the entitlements and you have a recipe for disaster. France had a recession throughout the 90′s and early 2000′s and their unemployment is atrocious. Compare that to the Ireland and the Eastern European bunch that saw the greatest boom recently with the Flat tax that they introduced in the late 1990′s. So please stop saying that Progressive taxation is proven. The only thing it does is burden the top producers/workers/entrepreneurs from continued growth.
Posted by: Brian | March 3, 2009, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
jhw539:
“msg:”remember when Obama promised to take a scalpel to any PORK in any bill or budget, utilizing LINE ITEM VETO.”
No, because he NEVER SAID THAT. As a constitutional scholar he – actually, any high schooler – knows the president does not have a line item veto and the Supreme Court has declared a Presidential line item veto as an unconstitutional usurpation of Congress’s ‘power of the purse.’
Please try to stick to reality rather than fabricating nonsensical quotes out of whole cloth when you’re attacking Obama.”
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Too bad voters didn’t do a line-item veto of their own -
November 26, 2008 by Procrustes
Confession: A daily RBO “absolutely must read” is the conservative-to-the-extreme (and not-necessarily PC) blog Lame Cherry, whose agtG hits it out of the park with regularity.
On November 24, 2008, President-elect Obama introduced his economic team of advisers and repeated a message from his August 2008 DNC convention speech and his prime-time October pre-election infomercial.
In his economic speech delivered from Chicago, Obama promised that he “will be a careful custodian of the budget, eliminating wasteful spending such as federal crop subsidies for millionaire farmers”:
We are going to go through our federal budget, as I promised during the campaign, page by page, line by line, eliminating those programs we don’t need and insisting that those that we do need operate in a sensible, cost-effective way.
Lame Cherry’s agtG pointed out, however:
Another problem for President in waiting B H is his comment today in the Obama conference that he was going to go page by page and line by line to root out unneeded spending.
Mr. B H, it will disappoint you to know that that is called the Line Item Veto a condition which Democrats refused to give President Reagan, President Bush, President Clinton and President Bush.
You just can’t sir go into a budget and cut things out as it is not part of your Executive Powers. I’m sorry that John McCain did not point that out to your ignorance in the debate and apparently no one else did either.
I will point out though that you do that to Congress headed by Dame Pelosi and Dame Reid, that they will not stand for it as it is illegal and breaches Congressional powers. If you do this, you will create another Constitutional crisis which will shut down government and have to be settled by the Supreme Court which will find against you.
Someone Mr. Obama has to burst your fantasy bubble, because you are not informed on these issues and it shows that your entire staff is even less informed than yourself.
By the way, perhaps we should point out that the Supreme Court eliminated the line-item veto in June 1998, during the Clinton administration, “ruling that Congress did not have the authority to hand that power to the president.” Approved by Congress in March 1996, President Clinton used it 82 times before the Supremes ruled it unconstitutional..
President George W. Bush wanted the line-item veto to eliminate earmarks. As Obama media cheerleader Lynn Sweet wrote in July 2006, fat chance of cutting that pork. Sweet ought to know, Obama larded things up quite a bit during his stopover visit to the Senate.
Wonder whether any of Obama’s soon-to-be-former Congressional colleagues will have the intestinal fortitude to remind him of that inconvenient fact?
If you’ve taken your Dramamine today, watch this dizzying 100 seconds of Obama economic news sound bytes from November 24th. Too bad voters didn’t know about that line-item veto power about three weeks earlier, oh, say on November 4, 2008. It would have come in real handy.
Posted by: ceeLeelee | March 3, 2009, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Peach:”I hope everyone enjoys giving the feds 45% in death tax when their parents pay away.”
Ah, the ‘death tax.’ “Everyone”? How many people have a parent with an estate of over $3.5 million ($7 million for a married couple)? Even adjusted for inflation that is a higher exemption than when the Republicans famously tried and failed to find one, single family farm impacted by the estate tax.
This isn’t Europe, in the US there is respect for the wealthy who earned it more than rich families and socialites like Paris Hilton.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Telling people to invest in the stock market at a time when real estate values have plummeted, unemployment is at a 12-year high, 401Ks are in tatters and foreclosures are at an all-time high — reminds me a bit of a former queen telling starving people to eat cake. Someone should tell Obama that most of us no longer have the disposable income to risk in the stock market.
Posted by: History Lesson | March 3, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
I’m a long time Dem ..but what I am seeing now is just plain irresponsible. If the company’s that where given bailout money to help them get back on track fail..LET THEM and start supporting the little guys. I and the whole county want to know what the hell they all did with the money they were given.
One cant just blame President Bush for this mess were in as it goes back far beyond when his admin got their fingers into the pot. Granted Bush pushed it over the edge.
So tell us great Messiah Obama how can we “buy buy buy” when the masses have no jobs and Cash Cash Cash?
Posted by: OldDemo | March 3, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
I just don’t quite know how to respond to some of these,the only word I can think to use is stupid ,ideas,The Man is in Office for 30 or so days and he caused our economy to crash.Don’t be led by the chin down the Rush l line.use you head and think for yourself. The dow did not go up when McShame was ahead it went way down cause he wanted us to stay in Iraq for a hundred years.The economy has been going down hill for years now and nothing was done .The rich get richer and the poor poorer.For the last 7 years or so the company I worked for had layoffs at least once a month and we were put on a four day work week, Tell me again how we were all doing so well under bush. I also have to say in 2004 and 2005 I lost a lot in my 401K so it is not something that just happened now
Posted by: joyce | March 3, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
“I work in a music store, that sells high end pianos.($1,000.00 up to $125,000.00 WE ARE DYING!! ”
Leftists NEVER, EVER learn from history. By God, they just know THIS time with the “messiah”, the exact same policies will work.
Does none of them remember the complete disaster of a LUXURY TAX on any purchase over $30K which the Clinton’s passed to stick it to the “rich” in 1992?
Result: Exactly the same as today!!!!
It drove the boating industry and RV industries nearly into Chapter 7 and ended up causing the loss of jobs across the economy as the effects hit sales, marketing and other subsidiary industries.
Thankfully in that case, American woke up for a short period and thru the bum Democrats out of office in 1994 and repealed the stupidity.
God these people are morons!
Posted by: LogicalUS | March 3, 2009, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
ceeLeelee: You don’t need to spam a whole webpage just to agree with me that Obama never said he’d use a “line item veto” and only said he’d go through the federal budget (which the President submits to Congress annually) ‘line by line’ for wasteful spending. We’ll have to wait until we see the first budget he submits (in April I believe the detailed budget is delivered) to see if he fulfills his pledge.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
jhw: ‘Don’t need to read about it. I was here and aware. If you or anybody else contends that the GOP supported civil rights in the ’60s, they are hopelessly mistaken. How do you think Mr. Helms became an icon; fighting against civil rights ( in the name of “States Rights, of course).
Posted by: Mike in Carolina | March 3, 2009, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Wow, talk about cherry picking history and now all those southern states are solid red and it’s hard to find a Dem. Geez I wonder what happened? Also the current mess we are in goes all the way back to Reagan. The two D’s, Deregulation and Debt.
Posted by: Bite Me | March 3, 2009, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Stan:”It was DEMOCRATS, mostly Southern, like Fulbright and Gore Sr that stood in the way of the Civil Rights Act and kept Jim Crow the law of the land in order to maintain political dominance.”
By 1968 most of those Democrats, such as Strom Thurmond, had become Republicans and formed the core of the modern Republican party for a generation.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Funny, B.O. is telling people to buy stocks, when most of them appear to be living on the government dole. HILARIOUS! That’s right, his next statement will be, take the Huge Taxcuts I gave you and buy stock in the Government owned banks! What a friggin crackpot!
Posted by: James M | March 3, 2009, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm
Depends on your definition of “long term” doesn’t it? You would have thought that 1996 to now was long term but now you’re back to zero return in that time frame. In fairness to Obama, one of his jobs is to exude confidence and do some cheer-leading. He’s the producer but he’s been given a very bad screenplay.
Unfortunately, our politicians are not the ones with the expertise to solve this financial quagmire (or apparently to select who should) but they are the ones doing it.
Everyone in the market should consider becoming a shorter term ‘trader’. It doesn’t have to be day trading – it can be something as simple as buying extreme weakness in the market with small positions and then selling on the ramps up for smaller profits here and there. That’s what makes sense until corporate profits get stabilized and things stop getting worse.
Posted by: heywally | March 3, 2009, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
“By 1968 most of those Democrats, such as Strom Thurmond, had become Republicans and formed the core of the modern Republican party for a generation. ”
That’s another Democrat lie. The vast majority never changed paries. Gore Sr. Fulbright, Byrd, etc.. They stayed Democrats and they were very welcomed in their party, as Byrd is to this very day.
Posted by: Stan | March 3, 2009, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
Brian:”I am sorry, but I have to argue your two points:
1. Does history for Liberals stop with Reagan? In the 1970s, Congress increased the capital-gains tax rates a couple of times until the maximum rate was almost 40 percent (precisely 39.875 percent). The combination of high capital-gains tax rates, along with high inflation in the late 1970s, was almost lethal to new investment: Capital gains were not adjusted for inflation, so the effective tax rate on assets sales often exceeded 100 percent. Considering how Liberals don’t understand economics, raising confiscatory tax rates will slow the economy. Reagan’s masterful tax cut (with a Democrat controlled Congress) showed an enorously positive impact for the economy. Even JFK cut the capital gains tax to spur along the economy in the 1960′s. (Ah Kennedy, the last tax cutting Democrat that saw an amazing supply sided boom)”
How is 20% suddenly a “confiscatory tax rate” when to Reagan, Kennedy, et al such a level was quite low (lower than Reagan was willing to leave it at)? Is it the mere act of cutting more important than the actual real level? What happens when we hit zero?
“2. Progressive taxation (a tenant of Marxism) has not been around all that long in the grand historical sense and seeing income tax passed as law in 1913.”
Are you serious? It was also a tenant of Adam Smith – was he a Marxist? “It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.” Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith
Do you have any grasp of the tax base of the US prior to 1913? If you look at the tranisition from import tariffs (paid by the wealthy) to land taxes (paid by the wealthy who owned land) to estate taxes (on the wealthy)… I really have no idea how you can claim that taxation prior to 1913 was not progressive.
And we have seen two abject failure in our midst. Cast your eyes to jolly old England and France. Once great nations that thoroughly embraced Progressive taxation that have fallen from the perch. Add the entitlements and you have a recipe for disaster. France had a recession throughout the 90′s and early 2000′s and their unemployment is atrocious. Compare that to the Ireland and the Eastern European bunch that saw the greatest boom recently with the Flat tax that they introduced in the late 1990′s. So please stop saying that Progressive taxation is proven. The only thing it does is burden the top producers/workers/entrepreneurs from continued growth. “
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:50 pm 5:50 pm
msg:”remember when Obama promised to take a scalpel to any PORK in any bill or budget, utilizing LINE ITEM VETO.”
No, because he NEVER SAID THAT. As a constitutional scholar he – actually, any high schooler – knows the president does not have a line item veto and the Supreme Court has declared a Presidential line item veto as an unconstitutional usurpation of Congress’s ‘power of the purse.’
Please try to stick to reality rather than fabricating nonsensical quotes out of whole cloth when you’re attacking Obama.
ceeLeelee: You don’t need to spam a whole webpage just to agree with me that Obama never said he’d use a “line item veto” and only said he’d go through the federal budget (which the President submits to Congress annually) ‘line by line’ for wasteful spending. We’ll have to wait until we see the first budget he submits (in April I believe the detailed budget is delivered) to see if he fulfills his pledge.
Genius –
ROFL! Trying to save face? Don’t get it twisted, my brother.
I am not “agreeing” with you. I am pointing out to you that your response to msg was wrong as well as misleading. You totally lack credibility on just about every subject you attempt to “discuss.”
All last week, people were busting you out on what you said about earmarks. I would have thought that would have quieted you for a little bit, but here you are again with your lies and spin. I guess you figure if you post long and hard, people will eventually believe what you say.
Maybe you should just give it a rest.
Posted by: ceeLeelee | March 3, 2009, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
ceeLeelee:”I am not “agreeing” with you. I am pointing out to you that your response to msg was wrong as well as misleading. You totally lack credibility on just about every subject you attempt to “discuss.””
Really? Read what you posted. You honestly think that what Obama said was that he’d use a line item veto? You don’t think the President submits an annual budget to Congress every year? No point arguing in that case, I literally don’t speak the same language as you.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
ceeLeelee:”All last week, people were busting you out on what you said about earmarks. ”
I didn’t catch that. Oh well, so sorry I appear to have missed what I am sure was a factual and intellectually stimulating debate.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm
“Don’t need to read about it. I was here and aware. If you or anybody else contends that the GOP supported civil rights in the ’60s, they are hopelessly mistaken.”
It’s fun to read the fantasies Democrats tell themselves to make themeselves feel better. Democrats had a monopoly in the South from shortly after reconstruction until the 1970s. It was Democrats who wrote and enforced Jim Crow laws. There simply weren’t any Republicans around to blame. All the bigtime villains of the era, Bull Connor, Lester Maddox, etc., etc., etc., were Democrats. Democrats like to point at Thurmond and Helms while ignoring every Democrat Southern mayor and town sherriff, up to an including Robert Byrd. In fact, Byrd is in their ranks to this very day, and they attempt to play David Copperfield and make him disappear.
This isn’t a mystery, take a look at who voted FOR and who voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the vast majority of the against names (while the majority of the GOP voted FOR it) were Democrats who remained Democrats to their dying day.
I say again, Jim Crow laws were written and enforced by Democrats.
Posted by: Stan | March 3, 2009, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
James M wrote: “Funny, B.O. is telling people to buy stocks, when most of them appear to be living on the government dole.”
Yup. Fully, 40% of the population pay NO federal income taxes at all.
Then, another 50% of those remaining pay very little federal income tax.
Yet, the vast majority of that 90%, those with families still living at home, qualify for the EIC (earned income credit), so they almost all get back EVERYTHING taken from their checks, then make an additional PROFIT, off the money paid in by the few true wealth producers. That is, those that haven’t just given up, cashed it all in, and taken their retirement accounts somewhere warm and cozy offshore.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
I predict that the market will bottom out around 5500 turning around from there slowly and cautiously because even big money will have been deflated back into reality by then. Sure in the long run you might come out in the long run on some stocks if you bought them now. But most still have a significant correction ahead to adjust for the unchecked rampant inflation during the Bush era, overstated assets and misinformation that has gone unchecked until closer scrutiny is finally mandated. Investors are all cautious until Congress begins prosecuting the white collar criminals who have bankrupted the major institutions that make up Wall Street. Until there is a major house cleaning that involves stiffer penalties for corporate mismanagement and misstated financials investors are going to be cautious in whose financial future they will place bets on. Inflation has become rampant from Wall Street to the Real Estate Markets particularly in the Gold Rush boom areas of the Country like CA, FL, AZ, Las Vegas and Detroit. These areas have significant deflation in property values they must undergo before America as a whole finds solid economic ground. Just creating illusions that continue enabling or disguising the truth concerning what has happened to the once robust economy will not work from here on. Changes within our system will have to be genuine or any new decisions will only defer the eminent and add to the long list of failures that Americans now face that were primarily created by the Bush Administration’s neglect and malfeasance.
Posted by: Ed C in OK | March 3, 2009, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
Obama Buy Buy? ########…has done nothing but pass regulation that is bad businesses, taxes, and jobs. Because of this the markets have done nothing but sell off with Investor magazines like the Wall Street Journal coming out and crediting dummy with the market downfalls while Investors like Santelli are calling for a teaparty. Now, Obama to cover his own butt is telling others to put their money up to try to hide the markets obvious dislike for Obama and his socialist policies. Anyone who listens to him, deserve to lose their money.
Posted by: PresGov | March 3, 2009, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
The markets may not be the bottom of the decline, but investing when stocks are down is the only way to make money. I knew last year that it was time to get out the markets. It was too high and anyone and everyone was investing, but I got lazy, waiting until it was too late and have losses on paper. It hurts, but I have to blame myself. That’s not to say that the lack of regulation of the financial markets didn’t cause the current crisis…the catastrophic and world-wide decline which is so severe it has no counterpart since the Great Depression comes from deregulation, high oil prices, and giddy speculation.
Posted by: sosupernova | March 3, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Just Tex:”Yup. Fully, 40% of the population pay NO federal income taxes at all.
Then, another 50% of those remaining pay very little federal income tax. ”
Why don’t they leave? Sure, every other first world nation has higher or MUCH higher taxation rates. And the stability and educated US workforce is responsible for most of the wealth generation they enjoy. But until taxes or zero, they’re too high – right?
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
” You honestly think that what Obama said was that he’d use a line item veto?”
Obama said he would Barack “conduct an exhaustive line-by-line review of the federal budget…”. I guess he found nothing that bothered him.
Chalk it up to another campaign promise he never entended to keep. That list is pretty long already.
Posted by: Stan | March 3, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Why bother? No on will listen even when the bottom is reached. They will continue to blame Bush when those same people liked the ideas of Dodd and Franks. As long as we leave fools in Washington, the below average American will just stay there with their hands out wanting more.
Posted by: Al | March 3, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
“Sure, every other first world nation has higher or MUCH higher taxation rates. ”
Sounds like this guy knows as little about tax rates as he does about Investing 101….
Posted by: Stan | March 3, 2009, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
The fact is George W Bush would have said the same thing and the people now criticizing Obama would be defending Bush.
Posted by: JV | March 3, 2009, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Stan:”Sounds like this guy knows as little about tax rates as he does about Investing 101….”
Can you provide examples of nations with lower income tax rate for the wealthy? Austria – 50%. Germany 45%. France 40%. Ireland – 41%. Japan – 50%. Do you have any facts?
I guess all the wealthy will flee to tax havens like Latvia or Romania, where they are sure to continue making just as much money, right?
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
just heard on cnn wolf blitzer saying obamas cap and trade program will cost every household 1400 a year in increased utlity costs. there i syou rhidden tax on everyone. for me id rather have a few dead seaguls on the beach then pay 1400 increase for utilities. this prez is out to lunch.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
I honestly wonder why we never see the financials of America? If we could examine the annual tax revenue, the debt service the cost of doing business broken down within reason and the projected budget then Americans would have something to base our opinion or concerns upon. Even something simple like a schedule of annual revenue in vs the projected expenses out. My point is that being kept in the dark concerning the financials of the business of the government creates fear and gives the republican talking heads an arsenal of ammunition they would not have if Obama would expose and clarify exactly what Bush has done. Obama’s Team best be auditing everything to be able to draw a genuine line between his taking the reins and the Bush Era or within two years Obama will own the entire mess and not be able to scrub it off with a Brillo pad….
Posted by: Ed C in OK | March 3, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Great! Just print more money and give it to people to ‘invest’ with, Obama! By the way, Which are your stock picks? AIG? Citibank? Ford? Chrysler? GM?
Posted by: Print More Money | March 3, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
jhw539 wrote: “Why don’t they leave? blah, blah, blah…”
At some point, the top 10% WILL begin to “leave”.
In fact, Singapore is BOOMING with cash heavy USA Ex-Pats, and even Lefty NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg is getting scared. He is begging anyone who will listen within the ranks of the Democrat party, to stop raising taxes and bad mouthing “the wealthy”, for precisely that “flight” reasoning.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Stan:”And until they reach 100%, they’re too low, right? Feel better now?
It isn’t just that Obama claims “rich” starts at $250k and will raise the top marginal rate to to 39.6%. It’s that he’s also phasing out deductions, like charitable giving and mortgage interest and rasing taxes on capital formation. ”
I still don’t see what he problem is with setting taxes at a reasonable level that has been shown historically to be a good balance between providing necessary services and allowing strong growth. It’s not zero, and it’s not 100% – why are shades of gray so hard to understand? The tax levels under Reagan were pretty successful, same for under Clinton. The (much lower) ones under Bush were a deficit and economic disaster. There seems to be a lesson in that economic historical fact.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
jhw539…the uk is lower than that. plus youre being misleading as usual because you forgot state taxes which those countries you cited do not have.more important you forgot fica tax ( sos sec) and medicare tax. so when you add it all up we do exceed alot of countries. moreover, the corporate is higher in the us and most other nations do not double tax dividends and interest . your argument seems to lack some facts. also those countries you cited have it worse than we do.so high taxes stifle growth. tax cuts do work and obamanomics is phony. enjoy your cap in trade at the cost of 1400 per family.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
ceeLeecee:”Anyone reading the article I submitted and saw the references to the two speeches can easily verify that what he was
describing in the article was a line item veto – even if the Harvard Grad was too stupid to know it.”
I disagree, and am puzzled how you can make that assumption based on what Obama actually said (not the twisted paraphrasing). The line item veto was given to Clinton and struck down as unconstitutional; Obama knows that quite well (he taught it for goodness sake).
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
Obama is going to ‘invest’ TRILLIONS into businesses like AIG, Ford, GM, Bank of America, Citibank, Chrysler, and these are all still failing. Should we follow Obama’s example of this wise investment strategy?
Posted by: Obuma | March 3, 2009, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
the people in know in D.C. describe this administration as DEER in the headlights….they dont have a clue altough they have a great orator.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
catman:”jhw539…the uk is lower than that. plus youre being misleading as usual because you forgot state taxes which those countries you cited do not have.more important you forgot fica tax ( sos sec) and medicare tax. ”
The UK is 40% – how is that lower? My aunts over there will have a good laugh at the suggestion they have lower taxes (a regular source of ribbing between them and my US citizen father). Is that new math of some sort?
Not all states have state income taxes (I grew up in Washington state). Also, the US does not have a national VAT, local council taxes, different real estate taxes, lower estate taxes (zero at the moment), etc.
Really quite amused that you offer up nanny-state Britian as an example of low taxes.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Cap and trade is based on junk science.
Posted by: deanbob | March 3, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
Obama is now a tout for the stock market. He needs a new blog telling investors when to buy, when to sell. Hopefully, he will tell us to sell before he publicly announces some new twist to his plan.
As for me, I’m not waiting for that middle class tax cut of $13. I’m getting a cash advance on my Citicard for that $13 and letting it roll on the purchase of Citicard stock.
Posted by: Sigmonde | March 3, 2009, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Amateur hour in D.C.
Where’s Chuck Barris when you need him?
Posted by: RR GOP | March 3, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Does Obama think he can do better than our founding fathers? Their system has worked reasonably well for over 200 years.
Posted by: deanbob | March 3, 2009, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Obama says the stock market is going up and down. Its DOWN over 3000 points since he was elected.
Posted by: deanbob | March 3, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
jhw539: “How is 20% suddenly a “confiscatory tax rate” when to Reagan, Kennedy, et al such a level was quite low (lower than Reagan was willing to leave it at)? Is it the mere act of cutting more important than the actual real level? What happens when we hit zero?”
Ah, the heart of a true Liberal. What happens when it hits zero, you ask? We starve the government and put the power back in the hands of the people! Prosperity would rule the day.
“Are you serious? It was also a tenant of Adam Smith – was he a Marxist? “It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.” Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith
You ever hear of charitable donations? Like the ones Obama wants to do away with? Your proportionality rules never apply to the giving that the “rich” seem to do every year. Out of kindness. Not as an absurd tax shelter. Stop being cruel.
“Do you have any grasp of the tax base of the US prior to 1913? If you look at the tranisition from import tariffs (paid by the wealthy) to land taxes (paid by the wealthy who owned land) to estate taxes (on the wealthy)… I really have no idea how you can claim that taxation prior to 1913 was not progressive.”
Prior to 1913, we didn’t have income taxes except for a few times (Civil War et al) and we got along just fine?
How about this concept: we live in a society, we all contribute to society, everyone should pay the same percentage, be it 15-25%. That way there is social justice and EVERYONE contributes. We have too many tax cheats out there (like Obama’s Cabinet nominees) and an overly complex system. Make it easier, to heck with the accountants, the IRS and the lawyers.
Posted by: Brian | March 3, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
jhw539…lets do the math..us fed 35% going to 39.6, fica tax of 15.3% medicare tax of 3% plus any state with serious gdp 9 to 12%. hmmmmmmmmmm! looks like more than 50% to me. plus interest and divedends are generally not taxed in europe as they are here. you be wrong me thinks.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
ceeLeelee:”Considering that a number of people have been quoting Obama about this very same subject, you still remain in denial. I wonder how we all came up with the same quote?
No problem. It is what it is.
Another Obama lie. ”
How hard is it to provide a citation for the quote then? Just because a bunch of Republicans are telling the same lie (big surprise) doesn’t make it true. Obama never said he’d use the line item veto to go through the budget passed by Congress. Find a citation and make me a liar.
Posted by: jhw539 | March 3, 2009, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm
who believes any of this??? I cry at the demise of our free capitalist society and am horrified at the socialist direction of the country and the ‘sheeple” allopwing it to happen. So So Sad! ! ! !
Posted by: cottonn | March 3, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
deanbob wrote: “Cap and trade is based on junk science.”
No, it is “Anthropogenic (man-made) Global Warming” that truly “is based on junk science.”
“Cap and trade is based on” very sound economic “science”, which tried and true principles state, making any commodity (in this case, the release of atmospheric carbon) more expensive, raising the price of that commodity and therefore, indirectly, limiting the consumption of that commodity.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
I lived in the DC area for 40 yrs and saw 8 Presidential transitions. One clue as to an administration’s potential was how well they handled the transition of power. Given this group’s performance in that regard, I wouldn’t follow their recommendation as tp where to eat breakfast. Grits anyone??
Posted by: howard james | March 3, 2009, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
HOW CAN WE AFFORD TO BUY STOCKS. IF THEY CONTINUE THEIR PRESENT SLIDE ITS JUST THROWING MONEY AWAY. THEY NEED TO GO AFTER THE BANK EXEC WHO CONTINUE TO PROFIT FRON INCOMPETENCE. LET THEM LOSE THEIR JOB, WHO WOULD HIRE THEM?
Posted by: RICHARD | March 3, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Obama says stocks are now a good buy? Coming from anyone else that would be laughable. Sure, one reason because everytime he opens his mouth the market takes a dive. I wouldn’t buy yet. There’s room for the market to go down much more.
Posted by: marc | March 3, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
What a complete Moron we have for a President. How about opening up that Obama “Hope” chest you were blabbing about during your campaign and closing the lid Pandoras Box. Then just go take a long nap somewhere and shut your lying mouth. You’ve botched everything you’ve touched.
Posted by: AmericanPie | March 3, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
The USA has the highest corporate taxes in the world, now that we’ve passed Japan. Their economy is really looking good – not.
Posted by: deanbob | March 3, 2009, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Great, now he wants us to invest in the stockmarket. He just don’t get it. What America needs to do is stop paying taxes. Then Pres. can fill the rest of cabinet with non-tax paying Americans. Those fella’s who didn’t pay their taxes are the only one’s doing well. We on the other keep getting handed higher interest rates, lower home values and possibilities of foreclosure… Oh yeah, let’s duplicate what California is doing, because they are successful. What a plan.
Posted by: RunnHMCM | March 3, 2009, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Great, now he wants us to invest in the stockmarket. He just don’t get it. What America needs to do is stop paying taxes. Then Pres. can fill the rest of cabinet with non-tax paying Americans. Those fella’s who didn’t pay their taxes are the only one’s doing well. We on the other keep getting handed higher interest rates, lower home values and possibilities of foreclosure… Oh yeah, let’s duplicate what California is doing, because they are successful. What a plan.
Posted by: RunnHMCM | March 3, 2009, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
When is this network going to stop kissing Obama’s ###. This guy is all about big big big government and his (evil/ master) plan is starting to show.
Whatever happened to the “no pork barrel spending” and “I’ll look at everything line by line…” ?(paraphrased of course). I guess whenever Obama speaks the line that comes next is “########…”
I can’t say I have any sympathy for the Obamatron’s that voted for him. Thank you all for expediting the transformation of this country into a bunch of socialists. Morons…
And ABC- are you willing to admit that at some point you will have to turn on Obama when his administration screws this country so bad that even you liberal puppets can’t deny what he has done?
Posted by: dan | March 3, 2009, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
I would love it buy some stock but since I have no money can I buy some by the barter system?
Posted by: Nancy | March 3, 2009, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm
Just Tex | Mar 3, 2009 6:44:01 PM….Thank you for interpreting my statement. 31,072 scientists speak a lot louder (to me) than some government employees who have a vested interest – a job.
Posted by: deanbob | March 3, 2009, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
This economic 911 is the result of the disastrous policies & deregulation inherited from Bush & Co.The true effects of the past 8yrs,will not become evident until much later. Only last week was it known that the Iraqi war was not included in the actual budget.Bush and the Repub’s have contaminated every federal Bureau with their staggering incompetence,and cover-ups.Typical reaction from the right wing-nuts,gripe and growl,but they have no PLANS to help anybody but THEMSELVES !
Posted by: Sharon W | March 3, 2009, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm
I would LOVE to buy stocks in the stock market & help boost all of us out of this Economic Black Hole BUT I HAVE ALREADY LOST 50% of my money in the stock market so I am TAPPED OUT! AIG and CITI and the rest of these RICH swindlers should have to sign a contract with us taxpayers that THEY will pay us taxpayers back by BUYING STOCKS! Let them pay for the money they’ve LINED THEIR GREDDY POCKETS WITH.
OUR MONEY! I am heartbroken to lose my savings since I planned to retire in 5 yyears– but now probably will never be able to. INSTEAD OF BAILOUTS FOR BANKS–iif the Stimulus package gave money DIRECTLY to the taxpayers and ONLY US–
a stipend based on our INCOME– then the economy would rebound because WE would use the money WISELY and put it back into the economy and our houses, mortgages, businesses, and debt. Why doesn’t the govt. think of this method of stimulating the economy? None of us working people have a DIME left to buy stocks! And who can we trust anyway? NO OONE in the corporate financial or banking industry, that’s a proven fact!
As for the UTTERLY INCOMPETENT SEC– that’s what Pres. Obama and those idiots in Congress should work on next!
Posted by: Karen Williams | March 3, 2009, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
sharonw…and your plan or the dems are to help yourselves. argument is circular…insert either party and you get the same result.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Obama said he wasn’t focused on “the day-to-day gyrations of the stock market, but the long-term ability for the United States and the entire world economy to regain its footing.”
How clueless can a president be? Stupid IS as stupid does.
My husband and I are upper middle class and we have been dumping our stocks since Obama’s election. You see, we did our homework before the election and knew that this man was out to destroy capitalism.
We continue to sell stock, buy gold, hold onto cash. We know of a successful stockbroker (who voted for Obama) who is literally wringing his hands over the destruction “The Messiah” has caused and continues to cause during his reign.
Note to Obama: Pay attention to the American working people (the ones who have 401K’s and other investments)because we are REVOLTING by getting out of a market that has NO chance to grow as long as YOU stick to your socialist/Marxist policies.
The plunge in the DOW is more than just “gyrations”, it is more like a destructive earthquake!
Posted by: littleleers | March 3, 2009, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Just Tex | Mar 3, 2009 6:44:01 PM ….I read a UK Guardian article that even said the UK cap and trade program had failed to reduced fossil fuel usage to date.
Posted by: deanbob | March 3, 2009, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
The thing is, this is EXACTLY what Obama wants. By destroying all the wealth and savings of every American’s 401k plan, every American will be dependent on the government forever and we will have the socialist state he wants.
That’s what the taxes are about as well. His main objective is to destroy all independent wealth.
Posted by: Marketman | March 3, 2009, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
This guy reminds me of the Pied Piper. His words are like soothing music but he’s leading the entire nation right into a river of debt. He has no idea of what he is doing but oh that music sounds sooo good to many people. Too bad they are naive enough to follow him and can’t see where he is taking us.
Posted by: Mpeachem | March 3, 2009, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Sharon W do alitle research you will find bush inherited those policies from clinton.
Posted by: boxcar | March 3, 2009, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Buy?
With what? The money Obama destroyed in my retirement portfolio? The money from my business that Obama is now destroying?
Maybe those people with that $13 a week can go nuts in the market.
Electing someone who has never in his life held a real job is just stupid.
Posted by: drjohn | March 3, 2009, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
How much stock did Obama buy today.
Posted by: pester | March 3, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Posted by: Mpeachem | Mar 3, 2009 7:04:26 PM
Dead on accurate.
Democrats pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Obama’s words cause rapture in Democrats.
Posted by: drjohn | March 3, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
Sharon
The Democratic destruction of the credit market absolutely dwarfs the cost of the Iraq war.
Posted by: drjohn | March 3, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Posted by: deanbob | Mar 3, 2009 6:59:16 PM
Cap and trade is about taxation, period.
Posted by: drjohn | March 3, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Jim Cramer called it right.
Obama Budget “Greatest Wealth Destruction By a President”
His mouth piece laughed and then said well.. err umm. let me be careful.
WELL OBAMA wasnt carefule he was reckless and the peoples Pensions IRA’s and 401Ks are suffering. Wall Street is main street if you have a retirement account.
Obama is a fool.
Posted by: ChicagoBob | March 3, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
As for Obama’s comment today that it is now time to invest in stocks, I expect him to present us with his ?new? idea: “Divert a small percentage of the Social Security contribution to a personal ETF Investment Fund” each payday. It’s certainly the perfect time for that now since most stocks are “on sale”.
This would give the markets the bullish boost that they need! Those who still have a job would be the contributors.
Not Obama’s idea, you say! Let him have credit for it if he wants to claim it.
If it works, that move would surely trump the claim of another Democrat who claims he invented the internet!
Posted by: BSwing | March 3, 2009, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
How much stock did Obama buy today. Let watch Obama empty HIS ENTIRE savings as well as his Cabinets savings out and invest all of the pensions in the market.
Then lets see if he will care. He is trashing the country for his socialist agenda. Obama cant build anything so instead he is tearing down everything.
Jim Cramer called it..
Posted by: ChicagoBob | March 3, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
Marketman | Mar 3, 2009 7:00:29 PM….What kind of person would reduce/eliminate charitable contribution? I’d say someone who wants more government dependency.
Posted by: deanbob | March 3, 2009, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
The more I hear about this so called Stimulus Bill, the less I think of it.
I have lost all confidence in the ability of government to pull us out of this. I have pulled most of my money out of stocks. It is in interest bearing accounts and will probably stay there for the next 3 to 5 years.
Obama is attempting to copy FDR. It didn’t work then and it isn’t going to work now. I think everyone in Washington failed Econ 101 and never studied U.S. History.
Posted by: Jay Sea | March 3, 2009, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Oh,,just ask George Clooney,Spielberg,Bill Gate,Ben affleck and the gangs….don’t forget OPRAH..
Perfect, they will buy lots of it.
They can save the Wall Street!!
Posted by: cilla | March 3, 2009, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
where is Obummer’s financial advisor’s license????
Posted by: patrick | March 3, 2009, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Obummer the stupid…. 4 year man…
Posted by: fred | March 3, 2009, 7:29 pm 7:29 pm
obummah and gietner… to deer staring into headlights
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
Buy! Buy! Buy! with What! What! What! For the next 3 years or more my money is going to pay for your stimulus bill…Just doesn’t get it.
Posted by: Parallax View | March 3, 2009, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
All neo-con Republicans please just short the market. That way you can stop blaming President Obama for ruining your retirement accounts.
Put your money where your mouth is.
Posted by: Paul | March 3, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
OMgosh…everytime this man opens his mouth we lose money. I am beginning to think he is even less intelligent than he tried to sound. His plans will create a government dependent society…the government is there to do what the people want not the people do what the government wants! I can remember a time when people were on public assistance there was a stigma attached to it, now it seems most would like to be eating out of that trough. No thank you I have too much pride and confidence in my own ability to make it on my own, providing he doesn’t ruin every vehicle available for a person to make money.
Posted by: ConservativeGal | March 3, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
hey…where is nancy palouusi these days? got her locked up with a sock in her mouth?cap and trade is going to cast everyone 1400 a year that you already dont have. what brilliance this adminstration has shown, fix the financial markets before you invest in windmills and bullet trains. pure robbery.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
deanbob..A man who hates the upper middle-class and beyond to the point of letting charities suffer that’s who…
Posted by: Parallax View | March 3, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
What am I suppose to BUY BUY with.
Posted by: Larry Wallace | March 3, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Why not spend. In no time at all we can all be flat broke.
Posted by: A.O. | March 3, 2009, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
Paul | Mar 3, 2009 7:32:10 PM….I am and I have bought PROSHARES ultrashorts EFTs. But not everyone can. What about what is happening to the business(cutting staff anticipating taxes or just going out of business) and ultimately the people?
Posted by: deanbob | March 3, 2009, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
If Obama is so big on investing in the stock market, I’d like to see him put 100% of his salary into it.
Posted by: david | March 3, 2009, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Jake Tapper,
“It’s Time to Buy?! Obama Turns Bull-in-Chief”
“Bullish Obama Suggests Nation Should Buy! Buy!”
Purely objective, fair, unbiased headline, right?
Thanks for the report
independent viewer/reader
Posted by: dz | March 3, 2009, 7:42 pm 7:42 pm
Obama is a nightmare for our country. Every time he opens his mouth the market drops. His spending is out of control. “change you can believe in” Yeah right..!!!
Posted by: CW | March 3, 2009, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
Shut up Mr President. You irresponsible
baffoon.
Posted by: Dawn | March 3, 2009, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
Methinks Obama has this backwards….
“absolutely confident that business will see opportunity for investments, they’re going to start hiring again” How backwards…
Business hires when there is demand for product- there is demand for product when people feel confident to spend and have the money to spend- where is the confidence when the leader of our country and the mainstream press headlines have been predicting RECESSION/DEPRESSION for the past few years- first to get elected and then to get the biggest spending/entitlement ever passed? Where is the confidence when the gov’t is spending ten times the amount of money ever (that they don’t have) mostly on short term paybacks and increased government? Not on creating long lasting jobs! Come on… we do have brains.
Posted by: bob | March 3, 2009, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
1. I doubt that the President has ever made a stock transaction in his life.
2. If the president is serious about his rhetoric then provide some long term capital gain incentives other than “screw you investor”.
3. Financially I am where I was in the early nineties. My recommendation is screw the market and either go with CDs if you are conservative or hit the casinos. Either will probably give you better returns. If neither, the government will bail you out.
Posted by: Don L | March 3, 2009, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm
Buy, buy, buy with my unemployment check, I need the money to pay, pay, pay my heating bill.
Posted by: Beeder | March 3, 2009, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
What am I suppose to BUY BUY with. …..Will hope and change buy anything?
Posted by: deanbob | March 3, 2009, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
deanbob- It’s easy to get upset about the media bias with their headlines… but realize that this is ancient history. People are getting smarter about it- more and more are going beyond the headlines, using their brains and looking for alternative sources of information… this is good- true diversity! This is a big reason why people like Rush have such a large audience!
Posted by: Bob | March 3, 2009, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
heard the govt is going to tax asprin….because it works.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
I still don’t know what this “stimulis” plan is suppose to do for me and my family. We work hard and are fortunate to still have jobs – for how long – who knows. If you want to stimulate my economy — take some of the 700 Billion and give us back what we paid in Federal Taxes. We would then have money to catch up on our bills, maybe a down payment on a house or buy a car … but buy stocks – with what??? And even if I bought $100.00 of stocks the way it is going it would disappear before I ever saw any benefit. I might as well put it in a slot machine or play the lottery because we all know that we ar going to win! and if you believe that then there is a bridge I would like to sell you!
Posted by: Lady J | March 3, 2009, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
deanbob wrote: “I read a UK Guardian article that even said the UK cap and trade program had failed to reduced fossil fuel usage to date.”
Unlike the US, the UK no longer has a heavily industrial/agrarian based economy, which require enormous amounts of fuel. In effect, they‘ve largely limited and priced themselves from participating within those economic areas.
However, even with that, per capita fuel consumption in the UK is continually edging downward, by significant amounts each of the last ten years. That drop is primarily due to ridiculously high carbon/general/area wide fuel taxes, combined.
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
I don’t understand all of this recession fuss and blaming Obama or congress for a financial crisis that started taking root in 2002, and I don’t even see the need to blame W very much either although he did shoot up the budget.
It’s simple: The things many people work for are no longer being bought by average consumers, and therefore those companies are shrinking. It’s only a matter of time before the labor and corporate forces switch industries to the products and prices society currently want, i.e. cheaper renewable energies, and everything will be just fine and going forward again. It’s not a political disaster, it’s just the evolution of consumers within a capitalist market. It’s natural to have downswings, and it’s very healthy. Like a person needs to have deep sleep to be functional in the daytime.
If we didn’t have periods of cutting back in capitalism we certainly wouldn’t be living the technologically advanced and relatively safe lifestyle we have now.
Posted by: AK | March 3, 2009, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
sarah palin runs circles around this bunch…she actual balances a buget and not on producers backs. might be heading to alaska to make some coin.
Posted by: catman | March 3, 2009, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
The stock market has been a lousy investment since President Bush got elected and the Republicans took power.
For the past 8 years the market has gone nowhere. Just look at a stock chart of the SP500.
I don’t understand why now President Obama is to blame, when this has been happening for the past 8 years.
President Obama took office less then two months ago, this has been going on for much longer. There has been a huge redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the wealthy parasites for the past 8 years. Did you all just wake up?
And the last time the market made any money was under President Clinton. That is also the last time that the debt of the U.S. was under control and deficits were actually shrinking.
Posted by: Paul | March 3, 2009, 8:09 pm 8:09 pm
Lady J wrote: “I still don’t know what this “stimulis” plan is suppose to do for me and my family.”
If you’re a productive citizen, nothing. If you’re a slacker, everything.
Lady J wrote: “We work hard and are fortunate to still have jobs – for how long – who knows.”
Rest assured, Obama “knows” for how “long”. Until you’ve been beaten and battered, then succumb to the wishes of his BIG government plans…
Lady J wrote: “If you want to stimulate my economy — take some of the 700 Billion and give us back what we paid in Federal Taxes.”
Give it “back” to you? That would make entirely too much sense. Don’t expect that to happen any time soon…
Lady J wrote: “We would then have money to catch up on our bills, maybe a down payment on a house or buy a car … but buy stocks – with what???”
At this point, it would be foolish to “catch up on” your “bills”. Why bother? Obama’s going to continue to build debt and steal from “the rich” to give to “the poor”, his voter base, for as long as he can get away with it.
Lady J wrote: “And even if I bought $100.00 of stocks the way it is going it would disappear before I ever saw any benefit.”
Bingo!
Lady J wrote: “I might as well put it in a slot machine or play the lottery because we all know that we ar going to win! and if you believe that then there is a bridge I would like to sell you!”
Just sell the “bridge” to Obama. Inside the stinkulous bill, he’s building dozens of bridges to nowhere. Surely, one more wont make any difference at all…
Posted by: Just Tex | March 3, 2009, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
WHEN THERE IS NOTHING ELSE TO DO, BLAME THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. THE ECONOMY WOULD HAVE BEEN THIS WAY IF MCSAME(MCCAIN) AND FALIN(PALIN) WOULD HAVE BEEN ELECTED SO SHUT YOUR CRYING. EVERYTIME YOU LOOK AT YOUR PORTFOLIO THANK GEORGE W. BUSH NOT THE ADMINISTRATION WHO JUST GOT IN OFFICE 30 SOMETHING DAYS AGO.
Posted by: TJ175 | March 3, 2009, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
TJ175 were you one of those that was bragging that obama was on the job the day after the election?
Posted by: boxcar | March 3, 2009, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
“After the shock of 9/11, “The stock market” remained on a steady path of growth,”
So the shock of 9/11 lasted well into 2003 when the Dow made a brief climb (largely over in 2004) before remaining mostly stagnant until 2006?
Dow Jones on Jan 19th 2001: 10,587
Dow Jones on Jan 19th 2009: 8,281
Posted by: Ryan C | March 3, 2009, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
The economy will never be better as long as there are republicans spewing hatred. That includes the media.
Posted by: Common Sense | March 3, 2009, 8:36 pm 8:36 pm
It’s hard to read so much of this claptrap. Obama has been in office for less than 2 months. The mess we are in was years in the making..People get real, this isn’t going to go away in 6 months. Obama has offered an “honest” budget that shows us how bad off things are. His budget is tackling the issue of Healthcare which is driving folks into bankruptcy, and hurting small businesses..He is proposing a tax rate adjustment for the upper income that is the same as the 1980′s a 4% increase for those whose income is 250k or more..by the way, …Nobody who makes that kind of money doesn’t have deductions so if your adjusted gross income is 250k you are making a lot more than that. He is attempting to limit the tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas… Lets get real here…Do you really think that we could just continue along the way we were going…Give Obama some time…we will get there…we are in uncharted territory here,
Posted by: mrb | March 3, 2009, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
The current market needs time to adjust completely to the fact that Paulson (republican) stole everybody’s money for Bush and Goldman Sachs. Once we figure out where they’ve stashed it and thrown them in jail, investors will have confidence and invest long-term again.
Enforce naked short-selling rules and bring back the uptick.
Posted by: Common Sense | March 3, 2009, 8:40 pm 8:40 pm
RyanC – I see you conveniently left off a few other numbers during that time period. That’s okay I’m used to leftist revisionist history.
Posted by: Joanne600 | March 3, 2009, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
Obama lied; the Economy died!
Posted by: Brian | March 3, 2009, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm
I guess somehow President Obama’s 2009 policies to improve the middle class, caused massive corporate greed at AIG between 2004 and 2007.
Posted by: Paul | March 3, 2009, 8:45 pm 8:45 pm
Why should people invest and try to get rich, when the one and only guarantee in investing is there will be a higher tax waiting for you when you profit. This is no longer the “land of opportunity.” It has become the land of picking up the slack for those who won’t do for themselves. The foundation of this administration was to take from those who are willing to take chances and prosper, and now Obama has the audacity to ask the American people to invest and save the failing markets. Does he no longer see the middle class suffering? Obviously he doesn’t because the middle class is being laid off by the thousands daily, but yet he wants them to spend money!
Posted by: Jason | March 3, 2009, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
In July of 2000 the SP500 was at about 1500. The highest point during 8 years of President Bush and the Republicans, was just over 1500 in September of 2007. Then a crash and a collapse of the financial system.
Posted by: Paul | March 3, 2009, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
“Dow Jones on Jan 19th 2009: 8,281″
Dow Jones on March 3 2009: 6,705
Posted by: Sigmonde | March 3, 2009, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
President Bush’s and the Republican collapse continues, unfortunately.
Eventually, President Obama will undo the damage done over the past 8 years.
Posted by: Paul | March 3, 2009, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
For those of you saying he’s only been in office two month, do you not remember he was a Jr. Senator? He had every opportunity to do something about the financial greed of Wall Street then, but yet he himself was a recipient of earmarks which made him look the other way and ignore the “evil” of Wall Street. Obama who has stated that the banking system has failed because of “poor past regulation” made no efforts during his Senate term to begin any investigational inquiry? Yet he campaigned that only as President he could make such inquiries and changes, and the American people bought it and believe in it. Not only does he not know the system, but ponder this thought how easy was it to start inquisitions and hearings about baseball and its steroid use or football and the illegal taping of teams? Within weeks people were brought in to testify on these on matters, but yet he had to be president to make inquiries or changes?
Posted by: Jason | March 3, 2009, 9:12 pm 9:12 pm
Lowering federal income taxes would put more money into the pockets of workers. Families would then have more money to spend to spur the economy increasing the demand for goods and services. Lower payroll taxes for businesses giving an incentive to hire workers to keep up with the demand. Simplify the system of federal taxation “keep it simple, stupid”. Government knows what would fix this economy. They just arent willing to do so because it would take from them. They arent going to sacrafice anything. We are suppose to sacrafice everything.
Posted by: alley | March 3, 2009, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
SAVE SAVE SAVE!! more bad news is coming! The swiftest action by the federal government has caused 1/3 of all wealth in the US to disappear. We are on a crash course to socialism. the market isn’t hovering is falling at record numbers. The feds are still spending like no tommorrow. We will pay for who we put in office.
Posted by: al | March 3, 2009, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
deanbob wrote: Buy, buy, buy with my unemployment check, I need the money to pay, pay, pay my heating bill.
@ deanbob: Yet you have money, money, money for internet.
Posted by: Jamie | March 3, 2009, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
If you give me a bailout for 20 million I promise I will put at least! 2 million dollars back in AIG and Citicrap. Promise!
Posted by: Theeyeofthehawk | March 3, 2009, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
@Jamie Maybe hes sharing it with the unemployed neighbor like me.
The stat is set to 60 and the internet is set to barrow. Time to share people, Work together and lets remove the dumbnutz from the white house.
Posted by: Theeyeofthehawk | March 3, 2009, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
Jamie there are plenty of places where I live that you can surf for free.
Posted by: boxcar | March 3, 2009, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
And what about us unemployed that used up all our benefits and will not get any additinal payments? What do we use to buy?
Posted by: Al | March 3, 2009, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Really, both political parties are to blame, in some part, for the mess. Both parties need to pay a political price. Americans need to quit voting for the same old, same old every election.
A system where the rich get richer and the middle class gets poorer will not last. There will still be rich, but America will be gone…it will be just another Mexico.
Posted by: Paul | March 3, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
The righties will never take credit for thier 6 years of total control of the usa Government that has caused all these problems. Complain, complain more, blame the dems when they had no power. Tired of listening to the same garbage, from the same losers. Obama is our only hope, McSame would of had us all living in cardboard boxes.
Posted by: Me | March 3, 2009, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
Me ….at the rate obama is spending I would say cardboard boxes are looking pretty good.
Posted by: boxcar | March 3, 2009, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm
“q’necare” Well said!!!
Posted by: Jason | March 3, 2009, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Facts are the republican controlled congress & G.W. had control of all the government for a full 6 years, leading up to a partial split in the senate for the last 2 years. So, the lions share of power was in the republican hands & they TOTALLY DESTROYED the economy. I have yet to ever hear any republican take any blame for what has taken place. Bush had his own stimulus checks sent out to every american. You never complained & cashed your check like the Welfare it was. You right wingers are so 2-faced & uneducated, it is almost funny. If the reps say it is god, you trust them. If the democrats do anything, good or bad, you only talk about the bad and take credit for anything good. Now, you got booted out of power and are acting like my 7 year old when i told her,”no Ice Cream”. It is going to be fun to watch you people moan & groan for 4 more years.
Posted by: Me | March 3, 2009, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm
Said earlier:
“Facts are the republican controlled congress & G.W. had control of all the government for a full 6 years, leading up to a partial split in the senate for the last 2 years.”
Hmmm. When have we had problems? The last 2 years!
Cut back a little bit on your Democrat kool-aid. It’s bad for your teeth, and more.
Markets have NEVER, EVER priced in the past. People don’t say, oh, look at those last 8 years, I better sell. If the Democrats were helping we would have been going higher to price in better times. As it stands, if we rally, it’s probably because Americans are leaning toward returning to a better Congress in 2010.
Posted by: anon | March 3, 2009, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
“Now, you got booted out of power and are acting like my 7 year old..”
Your 7 year old is a Republican?
Posted by: Sigmonde | March 3, 2009, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
i think you just need to give it a the new guy a chance to really see what he can do he cant do no worse than the ass —— we just had in there taken all of our money and not even asking for it just like he did the security problem he just started spying on all of us. i think we need to do the same to him and give him a taste of his own medicine.you want to know where all the money went just check bushs account in the bank and other places dont stop there hit cheney too he is just as bad.i think they all need to be investagated and be brought up on charges,for treason or something like raping the people like they did.any way i think it is a sad day when the american people have to pay for the mistakes the presidents make.and rob us blind,with all the price gouging that the pres did while he was in office,watch and see if we dont start buying oil and gas from texas and other states here you get the meaning i think he was nothing but bad for the whole country and now we all have to suffer from it except him and his cabinet members.thanks just speaking from the heart.
Posted by: steve | March 3, 2009, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm
I’ve been out of work now for three months without the benefit of unemployment. In the past I could find a job 1-2 days later without any difficulty. Now there is nothing; I have sent out 30-40 cv’s in the last 6 weeks with 2-3 responses.
As I see it the stimulus pkg is not going to do anything for me. I need a job now where I can generate a modest level of income to support myself. $10K to $100K is not going to do me any good, I need the satisfaction of going out and getting job and making my own way. Frankly, I am bored and disgusted with the whole situation. Another 12-18 months of this (maybe longer), I don’t think so. I am at the end of the rope.
Posted by: frankincensed | March 3, 2009, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Why the heck should the people who have worked all their lives be forced to contribute more to the dregs of society(that elected Obama) by raising their taxes and limiting their charitable contributions..Sure do away with charities and then just rely on the government to bail you out..We have enough on our plate trying to keep food on the table and pay the bills to run the house.. We don’t need the money in our country..Let’s give it to Gaza (900 million) so they can rebuild their shanty town. We have our hands out for the government to help us(ha) They will give our money to some other country who has no respect for themselves; let alone; some one else. I hope all these fools that elected him will be the first in the bread line(wait a minute) They were there before the election
Posted by: nihaovincent | March 3, 2009, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Obama: “Buy stocks now, so we can tax all your capital gains should your stocks’ value manage to outpace the hyperinflation our budget will cause.”
Now, reflect for a minute that this argument makes perfect sense to a Democrat.
Posted by: Eric | March 3, 2009, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
bush is nothing but a back stabbing traiter he ripped everyone off and didnt bat an eye wake people he did what he set out to do and that was to cripple the country and take everything he could for nothing and take as many down with him as possible.he was not for the people,he was for his own self when he had the satelite shot down he was covering up something he didnt want people to see,he couldnt take the world down in four years so they give him another four to reall wipe us clean and wipe he did so how does it feel you people,who voted for him i hope you are all very happy now you can,see what mess it got us all in.from here on in what ever happens leave it in the lords hands and he can clear it all up fp us all just have faith in jesus christ.thanks
Posted by: steve | March 3, 2009, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
Wall Street Investors (the big ones) don’t seem to think its time to buy, buy buy. In fact they don’t seem too pleased with Obama’s financial Plans. The main problem is Geitner doesn’t seem to have an actual plan for the banks. I don’t see how Unemployment can improve when Wall Street is in the tank. If Companies don’t have confidence in the Economy, they’re not going to Hire. First Wall Street, then Jobs. That’s how it has always worked.
Posted by: 23deb | March 3, 2009, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
Here are some facts for you.
1. Bush handed out stimulus checks last summer. Economy was doing so well right? Ok for him, not ok for Obama.
2. Bush & Paulson gave the banks 750 BILLION last fall.
3. The republicans controlled congress when all the bad loans were written & they sat on their collective behinds & did nothing.
4. The reps are the ones that out-sourced american jobs over-seas.
I place the blame where it belongs. When the dems mess up as bad as the reps have, i will be the 1st to jump on them too.
Way too early for that!!
This mess was created by 6 years of rep government control.
Posted by: Me | March 3, 2009, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
Yes, buy, buy, buy Fancy Feasts, plenty of catnip, and those less offensive organic flea collars. Goodnight. Time for a prolonged catnap and then an extended period of perambulating. Tah-tah, toodle loo, Ciao.
Posted by: kit kat | March 3, 2009, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
hmm the lesser of two evil i guess.
need to tag on atleast another 10 years to that, mid to late 90′s is a good start
I guess G.W. called up bank of america and told out-sourced customer help so i get a funny sounding guy at the other end.
Give It a Break.
bet the REPS called up NIKE and said you have to out-source your shoes to sweat shops bustling with child labor.
I was at the bank and GUESS WHAT, G.W.
himself called up and told them to give me a loan even though i couldnt afford it.
OK stop trying to pin the blame on REPS AND DEMS…. if this was russia and the govt ran everything fine but it is not.
obviously none of you are able to think for yourselves and need big govt. to think for you. you will be saved
at the animal farm people.
and we are far from the bottom. do not buy till dow is 4k. O buy food. can you say HYPERINFLATION.
i would like to hear someone that understands how inflation occurs. you all are about to get a crash course in it.
Posted by: hrmmm | March 3, 2009, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
o.k., lets look at this for a moment.
i think a LOT of it started with NAFTA, then theinfomouse notwisedome of the government keep on going giving jobs away(over the border regardless of whare). it like a soda bottle with a hole in it, soooner or latter its GUNNA run oput of fluid,as did the economy. so, if we set on our rumps do nothing, then WE are just as guilty as them brainchilderen in DC
i was once told” when you beech about the problem you become part of it”
pepper them idiots in DC with complaints, make them HEAR you voice and thoughts, rember:” the wheel that squeaks gets the grease”
so, lets start SQUALLING!
Posted by: someone | March 3, 2009, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
I do believe that the dems have controlled congress for over 2 years now.
It is the congress that make and pass the laws , not President Bush. He can only veto them but the congress can over ride. Learn how our government works please.
Posted by: Theporch | March 3, 2009, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
I am an American with a sense of entitlement, because my country owes me something. I should be provided with full medical insurance, a free ride to college, a living wage, a meal, and a federally subsidized mortgage to buy a few pieces of property. I should have bank CD’s that pay out 7% so I can have a secure retirement, plus a government pension for the rest of my life after I turn 38.
The difference between myself and the vast majority of Americans is that I deserve these things for a reason, I put my country first. Now the federal government is taking care of me. I am the pride of the United States Naval Service, I will celebrate my 21st birthday in Afghanistan, what have you done to earn your false sense of entitlement? Im 19 and independently wealthy in my own right. My investments generate much more then my expenses, and Ill be writing off my losses from WaMu and Citi for decades to come. Yes the government has helped me jump start my life, but thats because I gave something back to America before I asked for anything. Maybe some of you should be more careful as to how Obama spends your dollars
Posted by: Jeff Prutz | March 3, 2009, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm
“I do believe that the dems have controlled congress for over 2 years now.
It is the congress that make and pass the laws , not President Bush. He can only veto them but the congress can over ride.”
And veto them he did, over and over. Just google Bush+veto and read all about it. On top of that the senate Republicans engaged in a number of filibusters -you can google that too. The democrats could get very little done so blaming them is ridiculous.
Posted by: Skip | March 3, 2009, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Paul and you Party Bashing sheeple…
First Paul, if you are now OUT OF BENEFITS – get off your duff and go produce something! Want health insurance, BUY insurance! Can’t afford insurance, go start an Insurance Company.
Get some sort of reality education as to who is doing what. The Dem and Rep platforms are little more than a Ring Master show at the circus to keep our eyes of the prize.
If you can’t do anything other than be an Employee, then you are getting what you deserve, because after all these years (and I am talking DECADES) of voting in or not voting out these Liberal Idiots from Congress, then this is the result of ALL Socialist Agendas!
they always implode upon themselves, all the while eroding personal Liberties and worse yet — Community And Commonality.
You are sitting here Waiting for the Government to do something for you when the reality is you should be self sufficient to do it for your self!
They ARE the problem, not the solution. And if you vote for one more Welfare Program or Bailout, then you are too the problem.
Money is simply an exchange medium for ones Time and Expertise. Policy has made it so not only is the Federal reserve Diluting (think about Common Shares of Stock and the company keeps printing shares from Treasury – this is NO DIFFERENT). But here is the Kicker – because of all the Welfare Programs, and this Includes the Bailouts, which it sounds like most of us told our Reps and Senators not to vote for, because people and businesses are getting dollars (Time and Expertise) for NOTHING – they have eroded all Integrity of the Currency!
This has very serious consequences to the Confidence of the system. the very problem Obama and staff are stating their concern with and attempting to return. Unfortunately, by dumping more worthless bills in the circulation, they are further eroding the integrity of the system.
So keep voting for Liberal Agendas, both lead by Reps and Dems. You will get what you deserve as Every Socialist Society eventually implodes upon itself.
If you have good intentions and a lover for America, you will GOYA and go help your neighbor – bringing back Community and Commonality as the Real Solution.
Posted by: Das Ram | March 3, 2009, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
The way I understand about what going on is that Clinton relax the rule on borrowing money with FNMA and the other government own Leander to help lower the rules for low end income family could get a house. Then all the major bank’s started coming up with all these different types of loan’s to help people get into a house that had bad TRW score’s. So the bank’s made BAD INVESTMENT with people with bad credit score. Thank’s to the banks trying to make some fast cash and people that knew dam will that they could not afford to make the payment with a ballon payment down the road have made it hard on me and other with a dam good TRW Score and with me getting a VA back loan I come to find out that I can’t get house loan now unlike last were I was able but I decided to save more CASH for the down payment. I say let the large banks go under and those that knew dam will they could not afford it “NO BAILOUT’ for all of Obama Hope and Change for America is only helping the lower class has gone to broke for the middle class. The lower class does spend spend spend with our tax dollar and the middle class watchis how much they spend for we like nice things and we know when to say maybe next month when I can afford it and taking care of our self and we like less Goverment in our life and hell the upper class can afford to spend and I see natta wrong with that. It just u cant make the upper class pay more taxes for the lower class for all they do is lay off the middle class.
PS why is all the credit union making money and small bank’s “They are not into making bad loan’s”
Sorry I went on a little to long
Posted by: John | March 4, 2009, 12:09 am 12:09 am
Hi. I am not from US. But, I simply have to say this. I was very amused the other day when I read a comment from someone saying that your President mentioned 57 states in US during his campaign. We read about our country ‘s history and geography in school. I have even read about US having 50 states and their names. Don ‘t you have an education system in school that teaches such basic about your own country?But, more importantly, I am very curious… How did 50sth percentage people vote for someone who DID NOT EVEN KNOW THE NUMBER OF STATES in his country?Even someone who has not been to US and living outside US knows that!!!Hope is one thing…but, there is none so blind as those who will not see, none so deaf as those who will not hear.. people keep saying give your Pres a chance…at the sake of YOUR COUNTRY???I read about McCain asking abt 2% earmarks of the 410 billion dollar bill. Someone(democrat?) said that it is only 2%..yes, but, use maths..how much? a few billions??Honestly, what is wrong with Democrats? I have posted once or twice asking serious questions but got harsh or bad language as answers..i read posts from people(republicans) earnestly asking questions because they are really worried about where the country is heading…and democrats use bad language with no SENSIBLE reply…why are they so blinded by one person at the expense of their country? when someone asks a smart question, the other person should answer it. At the end of the day, it is not about party or one person,it is about the American people!!And your media, MSN, etc seems VERY BIASED towards Obama..oh yes!the chimpanzee cartoon by Murdoch..i received a whole set of Bush photos(really bad ones) through e-mail once…I did not feel good receiving such condemning photos of A PERSON…to all those who read this, this is my opinion. I do not know much about Bush and his policies…but he strikes me as a simply guy from Texas and all his “photos”(his expression of finding the door locked in China, etc)all reinforces that he is a simple guy!Do you know that Obama is campaigning overseas…something called Obama magic campaign NOW?where is the money coming from?he is POWER CRAZY!!!Bush was not!And for those who keep bashing Bush, read his sole pun joke about the shoe thrower!He took it in his stride and told that he saw the guy ‘s soul!!! Obama ‘s background, etc etc gives MUCH doubt to his aunthenticity and it is sad that your country is heading for disaster(it will all come out one day though obama people(including the media!) will try to cover up or point fingers at others!). so, for all democrats, this is not about politics. do not act blind, stupid and deaf and let such a powerful nation fall down, it is already dependent on China, why increase all the deficits and massive spending….millions for obama campaign, inauguration, campaign overseas NOW(who is paying?),millions for GAZA, billions of earmarks, what next? if he had really cared, then, he would not have spent so much for HIS SHOW (150 million??)wnen people in America are suffering..I would not have if I am the President..that is what love is all about!Bush has a failing that I can see clearly…his PR is really bad and he does not seem to know how to SHOW OFF…but I find him more genuine(simple) and i believe that he does love his country..he is a country person??
when i read about Obama winning, I got the impression from the media that he won with a high majority like 90%..i only found out much later that it was 50sth%…your media is being controlled by Obama and his gang…no??read all the news and the hidden important news..not written as few billions but ONLY 2%(indeed!)
Posted by: tina | March 4, 2009, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Remember when Bush said, some time last year, “Wall Street got drunk”?
By George, I think he got it. What people are failing to realize is the capitalistic Wall Street driven American economy is being neutralized due to the heavy greed factor which was an intergral part of the CEO culture our county created. Now the guys who shuffled the deck so much and thereby reduced the value of their companies and our country are to blame for our financial crisis. Whatever is falsely inflated one day has to deflate. They are all money laundering gangsters and thugs.
The market will rebound but only after all of the corruption is flushed out.
Posted by: clarity | March 4, 2009, 1:50 am 1:50 am
Less talking and more doing… Obama says one thing but all his actions point toward more bad economical news. This recession is not going to be over by introducing mew taxes and telling the american peoeple to go buy stocks… there are no shortcuts it will take many years for the markets to go back to where they were pre-bubble, the whole concept of a bubble is that after it bursts it is gone forver, forget about the last happy years they are not coming back Mr. President. Just read about mortgages for example 30-year-fixed-drops-to-510-percent as much as the interest going down in real life nobody is borrowing and nobody is buying houses, this is more than a numbers crisis.
Posted by: jack torchish | March 4, 2009, 2:52 am 2:52 am
a little history for those of you whose grandparents grew up during the 1990s. a long long long time ago, our families went thru a serious time of harsh challenges. hunger, poverty, apples for a nickel ment you at least had lunch. mister can you spare a dime…the cost of a cup of coffee. when this period of our history was over, there was a general consensus to GUIDE our future generations past such a horrid experience. certain protections were put into place to PROTECT future generations.
1. banks were not to lend money for morgages. they found to mix buisness financials with fluctuating real estate markets was a recipe for disaster. one healthy market could draw down by the other ( sound familiar?). therefore our forefathers initiated SAVINGS AND LOANS to make morgages.
2. skin in the game…20% down payment in case of real estate market fluctuations, the savings and loand wouldn’t be drowned by ripples. this also PROTECTS the purchaser of real estate to keep speculators from artificially driving up the cost of homes, causing a bubble. (sound familiar?)
3 to cap your morgage payment at 31 percent of your income so as not to stress the buyer with overload in case of market fluctuations.
these fundamentals were safeguards to protect you.
1992-1993 banks allowed to make morgages, saving and loans were driven to extinction. 1996 banks were forced to loan in redline areas. loser investment areas as RISK was measured by the block. government officials easily demanded banks loan to uncredit worthy areas (ACORN?)( someone elses money ) sounding familiar? the problem here is the government FDIC insures depositers accounts to $100,000 so thereforE depositors not concerned where the THEIRmoney is loaned at which risk. you can bet your forefathers would have certainly WITHDRAWN their funds from unworthy or risky banks , they certainly saw runs on their banks back then. however it is very probable the US Government could have covered FDIC accounts in 1996
2005 fannie mae and freddie mac start accepting all loans submitted to them. includind ninja loans. no job, no income. no applications up to 300,000. it didn’t hurt the director of fannie mae was given a program bonus based on HOW MANY LOANS WERE ACCEPTED, $ $96,000,000 to be exact. banks should have known better, fortunately, many of the rural banks still answer to their depositers and acted responsible.
unfortunately, if you purchased a home in the past 15 years, your equity has evaporated, and it doesn;t matter if you are a dem or a rep., white or black or hisp, gay or straight. compound interest on your upsidedown house ought to keep your wealth buried for a generation or 2
if you purchased your house in the past 4 to 5 years, remember you bought it in a bubble, with artificial prices. the government morgage bailout wants to prop up 2006 (inflated) values. the joke is on you. because until a real buyer purchases your home, the true value of your home is auction value. consider in 1992, there were homeowners 17 years into their morgages and still upside down. (sound familiar).
do you want to BLAME someone??
BLAME YOURSELF
Posted by: rusty50 | March 4, 2009, 3:49 am 3:49 am
Our president should call Mr. Mitt Romney for a private economic tutoring.
Posted by: tristan | March 4, 2009, 4:51 am 4:51 am
clarity,
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By George, I think he got it. What people are failing to realize is the capitalistic Wall Street driven American economy is being neutralized due to the heavy greed factor which was an intergral part of the CEO culture our county created. Now the guys who shuffled the deck so much and thereby reduced the value of their companies and our country are to blame for our financial crisis. Whatever is falsely inflated one day has to deflate. They are all money laundering gangsters and thugs.
The market will rebound but only after all of the corruption is flushed out.
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Exactly! When Bush, Paulson and Cox are thrown in jail and we find out where they’ve hidden our money, we will see this market rebound.
Posted by: Common Sense | March 4, 2009, 6:05 am 6:05 am
23deb,
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Wall Street Investors (the big ones) don’t seem to think its time to buy, buy buy. In fact they don’t seem too pleased with Obama’s financial Plans.
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So thieving players of Wall Street don’t like the plan? You might be interested in knowing that Wall Street rallies EVERY TIME AMERICANS ARE LAID OFF AND REPLACED BY OUTSOURCED/INSOURCED FOREIGN WORKERS. What makes you think that Wall Street has ever been on your side?! Honestly!
Posted by: Common Sense | March 4, 2009, 6:16 am 6:16 am
Dear Mr. President,
Please read “Altas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand.
Sincerly,
Wall Street.
Posted by: jimjohn | March 4, 2009, 6:18 am 6:18 am
Obama flip flops from week to week just like he did during the election. The people crazed over him won’t listen to reason because they are charmed just as a few other past leaders have been able to charm the masses. The problem with that is that it only lasts for so long. Eventually he will have some explaining to do. IF people put their money in the market right now they will lose it and have him to thank.
Posted by: Winst | March 4, 2009, 6:31 am 6:31 am
To the person who ranted about Bush and others being corrupt. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I think there are now 7 top Democrats in trouble for not paying taxes. You can call Bush an idiot all day long but at least he paid his dues just like everyone else is supposed to.
Posted by: Winst | March 4, 2009, 6:34 am 6:34 am
Obama is bogus. He promised a lot to the art community. I’ve yet to see any movement on his promise to create jobs for artists across the US. I don’t see anything in the form of health care for creative professionals either. All I see is that he hired an infringer, Shepard Fairey, to design his poster. Why should I believe him about the market when he lied about supporting art.
Posted by: Rex | March 4, 2009, 6:36 am 6:36 am
We welcome all in the United Socailist of America.We will surely hate life a year from now. He’s destroying the country I defended. Hope you can speak Russian!
Posted by: JJ | March 4, 2009, 7:02 am 7:02 am
This time around, if the fat-cats get a discount, so should we!
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March 4 (Bloomberg) — Patricia Greenberg’s townhouse in Irvine, California, was losing about $10,000 a month in value when she received a letter in February 2008 that looked too good to be true: An investor was offering to cut her $472,000 mortgage by 26 percent and her monthly payment by a third.
“I didn’t want to get involved in a scam,” says Greenberg, a cosmetics saleswoman for Orlane Inc., who had bought the house with no money down eight months earlier.
It was no ruse. New York hedge fund manager Ralph DellaCamera Jr., says he’d purchased the mortgage for 60 cents on the dollar and forced the originator, MLSG Home Loans of Reno, Nevada, to eat the loss. Protecting his investment, DellaCamera lowered Greenberg’s debt to keep her in the home. She now pays $2,400 a month instead of $3,800 and plows some of her savings into upgrading the Cape Cod-style residence.
Posted by: Common Sense | March 4, 2009, 7:04 am 7:04 am
Sure is too bad you all did not let W invest your SS dollars in the market! See you got what you deserved in the end.
Posted by: CWM | March 4, 2009, 8:14 am 8:14 am
Everyone I know lost about half their money in the stock market crash — what does The One expect them to use to cleverly buy stocks now that the prices are low?
I’m beginning to think our President is a pretty shell with no brain in his head. He has a lot of radical theories to spin, but has never lived outside the cocoon of the little world of privilege.
Running a national government is not the same thing as community organizing scaled upward.
Posted by: Anonymous | March 4, 2009, 8:48 am 8:48 am
Love the Partisan GOP politics!! All you homers just begging Obama to listen to the Bernie Madoff’s, Citibank and WaMu CEO’s and all the other Wall Street “brains” who got us into this mess in the first place!!
The stock market is a day to day rollercoaster ride where Company stock can rise 5 points just because and NFL Stadium takes their name (remember the Patriots playing in CMGI Stadium!!!)
No different than the speculatory B.S. we went through with gas going to $4 a gallon…Nothing of substance made that ridiculous gas price run up!!
I don’t want my President reacting to the day to day whims of the people who got us to this point! I want my President to have a plan that addresses LONG TERM growth, LONG TERM job creation (unlike the W model that used Home Equity to drive Consumers!)
In the end, the GOP and Conservatives have made the decision they are Republicans first, Americans second.
To that end they will say and do anything to ensure the failure of America.
As O’Reilly himself said, “it’s time for Conservatives to stop the name calling and incendiary language and start presenting viable solutions..”
But for the GOP it’s easier to throw stones and make watermelon comments.
Posted by: GOPjustgetsdumber | March 4, 2009, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Please, I don’t ever want to hear the name of Ayn Rand.
Posted by: charles | March 4, 2009, 10:05 am 10:05 am
rusty50, first they are called NINA loans, not Ninja loans…NINA’s were WALL STREET CREATED No Income No Asset loans meant to help the good white suburban buyer looking to make his fortune flipping homes! Your attempt to tie these to lower income purchasers is WAY off base…Minimum 720 FICO and no primary residence clause to get a NINA, ensured that.
No what Companies like the one I worked for did was feed the greed of Wall Street and reduce FICO scores to sell more loans…
If you have no more candidates with a minimum 600 FICO, then make it 580…When I started at NovaStar minimum FICO required was 620, when I left you could get a loan with a 480 score…You can’t even get a car loan with a 480!!!
Greed, not the government drove this train wreck…
Now common sense and NOT reacting to knee jerk day to day idiocy is what will turn this ship around…
Wall Street got us into this mess, let’s not let those same Gordon Gecko’s convince us that the methods that got us here are the solutions…
Posted by: StopConRhetoric | March 4, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Atlas Shrugs huh…Interesting since one of the FOUNDING MEMBERS Rand’s “Collective” and the Objectivist movement was Alan Greenspan and we know how much we love his applications of the “Self first, Capitalism and ignoring of the elderly, disabled and weak” Rand philosophy…
However, I agree with her that aggression or initiation of force is immoral and that organized religion is pointless!
Posted by: StoprConRhetoric | March 4, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am
The failures of the Obama administration just keep racking up. The Stock Market is the lowest it has been since Clinton was in office, almost 700,000 jobs were lost in February, the housing market has gotten even worse, and even those in his own party are criticizing his ridiculous tax plan. This presidency is an absolute joke. At this rate, the country will be wishing Jimmy Carter was in charge in about a month.
What a total joke Obama is turning out to be. The market has no confidence in his ridiculous economic plan, as evidenced by the DOW dipping below 7,000, and even people who supported him, like Jim Cramer, are pointing out what an unmitigated disaster he is.
The Democratic response? Blame Rush Limbaugh. This doesn’t just whiff of desperation, it stinks to high heaven of it. Obama is running out of people to blame for his failures. And if any of Bush’s press secretaries would have mentioned a journalist by name, like Robert “I make Scott McClellan look like Socrates” Gibbs has done with Cramer, Santelli, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. the left would have cried censorship nonstop.
Bush didn’t get the benefit of the doubt when he inherited a recession from Clinton, and Obama shouldn’t either. The problems are his now, and he is starting to get the blame.
What an absolute failure he is turning out to be. Can you say one-termer?
Posted by: Bill | March 4, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
“Exactly! When Bush, Paulson and Cox are thrown in jail and we find out where they’ve hidden our money, we will see this market rebound.”
I can’t tell if that was sarcasm or not.
Posted by: Orion | March 4, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
Did anyone hear obama say “Profit to Earnings Ratio” at 2:30?
I think he meant Price/Earnings Ratio…
He is a Poser!
That is akin to saying that a soccer player hit a homerun!!
Posted by: JoeS | March 5, 2009, 12:42 am 12:42 am
Duh…buy now? You gotta be kidding. That is Not very smart.
In particular, with what Omaba has been doing and promising.
There is only one direction for the market and it is much lower, unless Omaba changes his life time views.
Look for next rally and raise cash.
Posted by: LightnRod | March 5, 2009, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
If I give everyone the way out and the How we got here, without throwing daggers at Who and Why, will you listen and take action?
Posted by: Das Ram | March 5, 2009, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
What’s a “profit and earnings” ratio, Mr. President?
If you don’t know the market, don’t tell people to buy stock.
This is what happens when the teleprompter’s not there.
Posted by: Fabio Escobar | March 6, 2009, 12:17 am 12:17 am
The only kind of stock that a sensible small investor would buy now would be the kind that lives in a barnyard, so I’m considering buying a goose and a cow. While the goose is laying a golden egg, I’m taking the cow to town and trading her for a couple of magic beans along the way. I should be set for life after I’ve gathered the eggs and climbed the beanstalk and stolen the giant’s treasure. And since we seem to be living in a fairytale where stocks are a good investment for the little guy who’s out of the loop, I’ve decided to believe in the tooth fairy, too.
Posted by: FaithG | March 14, 2009, 4:47 am 4:47 am
Are there really people in this country that still believe that Bush was a good president…..SICK MINDS….
Posted by: David | June 20, 2009, 1:32 am 1:32 am
obama is human he is doing the best he can. Do you think he is a miracle worker. He even said that it will not happen over night or the first two years it will take time so cut it out!
Posted by: me | July 2, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am
I Pres. Obama is just doing what he think is the best thing to do w/ the country. I know to the fact that before he do things like this he do ask his advisers to what is best thing to do w/ the US economy.
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