Geithner Defends Tax Hikes for Wealthy

Buffet is someone who thinks the rich are undertaxed. He found out that his secretary was paying the same tax rate as him.
It is a touchy subject though, and those with that kind of money have a lot of infuence on Washington. It’ss be a tough sell.

What’s so controversial? If you benefit more from our system, you should be obliged to put more back in. It’s common sense. The only obstacle here is simple greed.

ABC thinks they are helping….but Geithner looks even more like a fool. He has NO right saying ANYTHING to the nation about taxes or unpaid taxes. NOTHING he says is credible.

Are you listening Hollywood? They are coming after YOU! How much will you support him when you lose over half of your income to taxes? When you can’t pay for your Malibu beach front home because us regular folks won’t be going to movies since we can’t afford them — thanks to being taxed to death. Heard about cap & trade? Remember, Obama the campaigner promised “utility rates will go sky high” but he’s for it. He’s doing it. Are you ready Hollywood?

I don’t understand why Republicans are throwing Geitner’s tax issue in his face – he paid his oversight, didn’t he? What’s the big deal? Seems to me that the GOP is grandstanding because they know they don’t have a leg to stand on anymore. Is this all the GOP is reduced to? Whining and knee-jerk obstructionism? God I am sick of Republican whining.

young conservative:”He has NO right saying ANYTHING to the nation about taxes or unpaid taxes. NOTHING he says is credible. ”
So by your logic, Republicans have NO right to say ANYTHING to the nation about deficit spending, right? Based on their time with combined control of the House, Senate and Whitehouse, NOTHING they say is credible.
Wow, this simplistic with us or against us sloganeering may be useless but it sure is fun!

Sure Geithner paid his back taxes back already, but the fact that he didn’t pay them up front makes him the worst criminal since Hitler or John Wayne Gacey! He is pure EVIL! He wants to take all of our money and give it to homeless black crackwhores and lesbian communist arts communes! We must stand behind Rush Limbaugh and fight the Democrats to the death! We cannot let Obama’s plan to turn us into a black muslim socialist paradise succed! We must fight against the so-called “recovery” at all costs! If America needs to go bankrupt to save the conservative movement and the Republican party, then I’m okay with that! Death to Democrats! Viva el muerte!

Reaganaut, you hit the nail precisely on the head.
A CEO of a large corporation DOES NOT “work harder” than one of his line workers, yet may be paid as much as 1,000 times the hourly rate. But let the tax man come calling, and that CEO will bewail all the “lazy” people on his payroll who “want something for nothing”. Time for a wake-up call.

Get Real – your math is wrong. Try again.

Office Goddess:”There are some who will say that this penalizes people for being successful – that the more money one makes, the more they will be penalized by paying higher taxes. So what’s the alternative?”
Not quite the right question. More to the point, look at the penalty. They have to pay an extra $30 for every $1000 they earn. This is not a terrible punishment, this is not the 70% top tax bracket that Reagan railed against and slashed to 50% in his 1981 ERTA (Reagan Tax Cuts – he ultimately got it down to 28% at the end of his term), this is going back to the 39.8% that served the economy well in the 90′s under the Republican Revolution Congress.
A little perspective is useful here.

Perhaps they should tax the poor?

Kilgore Trout, I think you’re missing the point. Geithner didn’t pay until he was forced to- via vetting by Obama people and public outrage. He can try to jusify it til his dying day but the bottom line is he dodged paying taxes as long as he could. That shows a complete lack of ‘patriotism’ (a la Biden) and an utter lack of respect for the very tax system he’s defending, heading up and imposing on the rest of us ‘chattering class’.

jhw539: I’m not an accountant, so I don’t know just how much more someone making $250K will pay. I’m thinking whatever it is, they can afford it.

under george w bush he lowered corp taxes and taxes teh rich payed what happend we lost jobs and our economy crumbled…now i am not saying taxincrease is answer. what is needed is the rich must take there money create jobs with good pay and benefits,not take there money put it in foriegn banks to sav efrom paying taxes…

The wealthy always just have someone figure out how to get around new tax laws. it is everyone else who is going to pay with Obamas CAP and TRADE tax that is put on energy. Fill up your car now because Obama is going to start raising the price of gas soon. You voted for it.

Since he doesn’t pay his taxes, he probably has a different standard about what constitutes wealth. Another useful idiot.

Why is it that Obama’s picks are fast to spend our tax money, but do not pay their own taxes? Is this really what “change” means? I find it amazing the Obama and Pelosi stand their talking about taxes when the people they are stand next to do not pay taxes or give to charity. I guess greed is only bad when it is not theirs. The nation is in BIG trouble!

billy bob:”Fill up your car now because Obama is going to start raising the price of gas soon. You voted for it.”
Right, because having Republican oilmen in the Whitehouse really worked great for keeping gas prices low.

For your information those tax cuts did create many jobs. They were mostly for illegal immigrants, but they did create jobs!

Sam – my response to the late, widely discredited Adrian Rogers:
“Says who? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!”

Sam:” When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them,and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for,that my dear friend,is about the end of any nation.”
You’re only about 150 years behind – perhaps you should read Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville, who strove to answer the very question of why, after a generation, America had not collapsed due to that exact effect. People guaranteed the death of America from day one; I’m glad the founding fathers thought your idea to be nonsense and more pleased that history has proven it to be so.

Sluggo – nice try, but Geithner paid all his back taxes. What are you whining about? LOL

billy bob:”jhw539 Do you even know why oil prices went so high??? Do you even know what Obamas Cap and trade tax is all about???”
I know the leading theories on why oil prices went so high (and no, Bush does not factor into them beyond his characteristic inaction to address them), and I am very familiar with cap and trade. Cap and trade on energy has the Saudis and other oil producing nations terrified. Passing the true cost of oil through to market will devastate demand for their product and spells the beginning of the end of those thugs punching absurdly above their weight on the global stage.

billy bob – yes, we know what those are about here in the real world – but please feel free to enlighten the rest of us on what you paranoid wingnuts think they’re about.
We don’t always get the memos from the alternate reality you wingnuts live in – but we do like to read them for amusement once in awhile.
LOL

The rich weren’t willing to “trickle down”, so now we need to change the plumbing.

Jordan – I am only telling you the truth as I see it: all Democrats are unpatriotic, freedom-hating communists and Tim Geithner is worse than Hitler! Obama is like a black Stalin who will turn our precious Republic into a totalitarian, one-state tyranny with his messananic cult of personality. Already his campaign was like a series of Nurenburg rallies designed to narcotize his feebleminded democratic followers. Just wait – there is going to be a violent revolution for the soul of America and those of us who you scorn now will one day be your saviors!

Kilgore Trout- you’re still missing the point. He paid ONLY AFTER BEING FORCED TO PAY! And the IRS penalties were waived so he didn’t pay what you or I would have paid. He’s a hypocrite and lacks any credibility. Don’t let your emotional investment in Obama’s success blind you from simple facts. He paid under duress, not out of the goodness of his heart or as a responsible citizen.

young conservative: And I am only telling the truth as I see it. I think you have been hit on the head by an acorn, and now you are convinced and are crying out that he sky is falling.
I have only ONE Savior, “conservative”, and you are NOT He!

I agree with oh Please, easier to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. Question: Why do we have a shortage of nurses in this country when so many people, no make that generations are on welfare? I don’t mind paying my fair share I am above the $250,000 Threshold, but I personally know married people on welfare, living together claiming head of household and both getting high earned income credits back. I wonder what would happen if the IRS gave rewards for turning them in. (These people arn’t my friends)

jhw539, why should I be forced to pay for your health care, house, food, etc etc, against my will, Sounds a lot like slavery for me.

Dear IRS,
I am sorry to inform you that I will not be able to pay taxes owed
April 15, but all is not lost.
I have paid these taxes: accounts receivable tax, building permit tax,
CDL tax, cigarette tax, corporate income tax, dog license tax, federal
income tax, unemployment tax, gasoline tax, hunting license tax,
fishing license tax, waterfowl stamp tax, inheritance tax, inventory tax,
liquor tax, luxury tax, Medicare tax, city, school and county property tax
(up 33 percent last 4 years), real estate tax, social security tax, road
usage tax, toll road tax, state and city sales tax, recreational
vehicle tax, state franchise tax, state unemployment tax, telephone federal
excise tax, telephone federal state and local surcharge tax, telephone
minimum usage surcharge tax, telephone state and local tax, utility
tax, vehicle license registration tax, capitol gains tax, lease severance
tax, oil and gas assessment tax, Colorado property tax, Texas,
Colorado, Wyoming, Oklahoma and New Mexico sales tax, and many more that I can’t
recall but I have run out of space and money.
When you do not receive my check April 15, just know that it is an
honest mistake. Please treat me the same way you treated Congressmen Charles Rangle, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank and ex-Congressman Tom
Dashelle and, of course, your boss Timothy Geithner. No penalties and no interest.

young conservative: Kinda getting off topic aren’t you? Anyone who so hates those who disagree with their viewpoint is blind to what makes this country so great. It is our diversity of opinion and the freedom to express those opinions that make this country strong. People like you scare me.

jhw539…quoting tax again are we?what do yo think about social security tax going up over 100% for wages between 108k and 250k? that jumps costs the employee and employer 22,000 combined. the devil is always in the details? also how did warren buffet get around alternative minimum tax which is at 26%.also how did 250,000 now become 200,000 and if your single its actually now 100,000. this president is an amateur at best who never made a dime unless it was from the taxpayers or in a shady real esate deal coupled with a treasury secretary who cant pay his taxes. empty suits at best.that why people are waking up.

The wealthy in this country arent’t going to lose their money. They will just pay less in salaries or get rid of one of their drivers to make up the difference. The middle class will be hurt because $250K is not that much money in some states with higher living costs. The folks in that bracket should mind paying more taxes because they probably use less city and government services. A lot of them are empty nesters or childless so take a lot less from the government. Either way, we all pay way way way too many taxes. If you sit down and list all the taxes you pay, you would be sick. Then tally what you get for it and you will kill yourself. Seriously though, we need to manage our government better. If we are going to raise taxes, then tell us what the long term benefit of that tax is. Please lets think these things through and stop throwing money at a broken system.

Kaye:”jhw539, why should I be forced to pay for your health care, house, food, etc etc, against my will, Sounds a lot like slavery for me.”
You should probably start with the basics – I found Hobbes Leviathan and Rousseau’s On the Social Contract pretty good grounding works. After you understand the basics of human society and the use of government, the Founding Father’s offer an excellent grounding in the modern formulation (being, of course, heavily grounded in the historical theory themselves).
Finally, you should read up on the difference between being considered a piece of property who could be tortured, starved, bred, and separated for your children like an animal, versus having to pay a historically low tax rate if you make over $250k a year.
Once you have a grasp of those basics, I’ll be happy to debate with you.

bob…where does your paycheck come from?

Sluggo – nice try, but Geithner paid all his back taxes. What are you whining about? LOL
CRUMUDGEON — We Conservatives are not “Whining” about this dummy democrat paying up to date, his taxes.
What we are concerned with is the fact that he didnt pay them on time.
Now, picture this: Most (and I mean 99 percent of Americans) know what the “April 15th deadline” means.
Enter the last 5 nominees that Obama picked. ALL of them owed back taxes.
You have got to be shittttting me. I’m just an average dude. I know I have to pay taxes every year just as well as I know I have to get up everyday and go to work. But these people dont?
Something is fishy here…that is what we are concerned with.

jet:”If you sit down and list all the taxes you pay, you would be sick. Then tally what you get for it and you will kill yourself. ”
What an amazing ignorance of the breadth of human suffering, current and historical, you have. What you get for your taxes, your government, your country? You sorely need to spend some time in a third world country, your contempt for America and all it provides is pathetic.

Jordan – I am only telling you the truth as I see it: all Democrats are unpatriotic, freedom-hating communists and Tim Geithner is worse than Hitler! Obama is like a black Stalin who will turn our precious Republic into a totalitarian, one-state tyranny with his messananic cult of personality. Already his campaign was like a series of Nurenburg rallies designed to narcotize his feebleminded democratic followers. Just wait – there is going to be a violent revolution for the soul of America and those of us who you scorn now will one day be your saviors!
I DID NOT POST THIS EITHER. ANY HATEFUL POSTED AS “YOUNG CONSERVATIVE” IS NOT POSTED BY ME.

The private sector has lost jobs.
Has any govenment job been lost?
As the taxpayer base shrinks, the government should as well.

Good, now start with yourself Geithner, congress and the rest of Obama’s tax dodging administration and I will gladly pay “my fair share.” Until then you will get my tax money, since you will kill me if I don’t. IRS,ATF anyone? (Just like the mafia, coincedenice, I think NOT!) Raising taxes on the evaporating middle class and causing record inflation to “tax” the poor. Thank you Obama, you have finished the job Bush II began… and in record time!!! Cheering Obama or Bush is like cheering the Prateorian guard in ancient Rome as they torture and murder you and your family. Some people will do anything to “feel” like they are on the “winning” team… even if their “victory” comes at the cost of your own existence.

Good one Oh Please — “the poor aren’t hiring.”
Kilgore Trout — it’s a matter of trust. Don’t drop your standards when it comes to politicians.

young conservative >> Could be Rahm. He seems to like to go after citizens. Wonder if we can compare Rahm and Obama to Nixon. Wonder if they are wire tapping to remove the opposition. Gee Democrats used to be so updet when stuff like that happened.

“if some of Obama’s own cabinet members don’t even feel compelled to pay their own taxes”
When they realized that they had failed they paid–before they were on the team. That’s the diff bewteen them and the knowing and deliberate cheats–who by cheating make you pay more.

KateT the truth is that under Obama, we are spending ourselves into irreversible economic failure- all so he can make things ‘fair’ by redistributing wealth from those who work to those who don’t. When you lose your job, ask your boss why he canned you. Trust me, it won’t because he felt he needed to pay more taxes to make things ‘fair’.

Jet, government salaries aren’t going to help this economy, and taxes paid on those government salaries aren’t going to help the government.
How come the government injected so much fear into the economy and then spend big? Any of ‘em ever take a Math class?

Angie – are you really so clueless to think that the President is responsible for the stock market? Get a clue, hon. No wonder nobody takes you whining cons seriously anymore – you have no grasp of reality left and are just reduced to idiotic, fact-free rants. YAWN. Call me when you have something sane to say, hon.

jhw539…the way obama is going i wont have to travel far, we are about to be living in a third world country. i care about my family first, then my country which includes you,,,,,somewhere way down the list is people in third world countires.

Thank You Eric and ‘Oh Please’!

To the conservative who hijacked my name: seriously, answer my question – why do conservatives hate truth?
To answer YOUR question, we liberals don’t hate wealth. You need to stop confusing your opinions with reality. Thanks for asking!

“I want to emphasize that we propose no new revenue increases in our budget, none until we are safely into recovery in 2011,” Geithner …….Not only does Geithner know taxes, he also know the future.

Wow…anyone with opposing views truly are being targeted. None of the hateful comments were posted by me. So everyone that just responded to them were being tricked into arguing with a position that was created for divisiveness. I do believe in conservative principles and not the Republican party. Take that as you will…but everyone needs to be aware that we are being distracted.

There’s nothing simple about the mortgage situation. We also have the baby boomer retiring crises and a climate crises to deal with, not to mention terrorism and nukes. This tax is nothing.

Rick
Why not? We were told just how powerful the president is over the last eight years. What changed?

Someone should go through (unannounced) all of the tax records of Congress, for the last 5 yrs, and report the results on the Internet.

IM MIDDLE CLASS.PEOPLE WHO DECIDED TO GO FURTHER IN LIFE THAN I GOOD FOR THEM THEY SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED BECAUSE THEY BETTER THEMSELVES AND THE ONES WHO DECIDED NOT TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES AT ALL TO BAD GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND DO IT .

Why are all the lib’s hating on the rich so much? I agree that SOME of them are dirty and should be put in jail but the vast majority of them have worked all there lives to be comfortable and the left seems to always want to punish them and give away handouts to the welfare crowd. I’m poor by the way but I will NEVER take assistance. What’s ruining this country is the welfare crowd.

“I do believe in conservative principles and not the Republican party.”
I hear a lot about conservative principles, although I haven’t seen it in action. Do you have any examples of these priniciples actually at work or is it just theory?

OBAMA – ONE BAD ASS MISTAKE AMERICA

catman:”the way obama is going i wont have to travel far, we are about to be living in a third world country.”
Not much to say in reply to that. I honestly suggest you look into at least doing some work with the domestic poor. You don’t seem to understand how blessed everyone in the US – even as they downsize to cheaper apartments, have the fancy SUV repossessed and regroup their lives – really is. Our infrastructure is amazing and we have a powerful national cohesion that rejects nationalistic fervor. No one likes taxes, but at the current rates I pay them happily and feel privileged every day to live here.

jhw539…even the white house said yesterday that its 200,000 not 250000 and thats for married folks. single taxpayers are at half that level. also why do you always ignore the new social secuirty tax on wages between 108k and 250k?…thats 22000 a year to an emploer and employee or all of it if you are self employed. also itemized deductions including home mortgage and charitable contributions. this govt doesnt want us to be charitable because we wont send it to ACORN….thats what they do.

Too all Libs/Progs. No matter how you put it, the increase in the highest income tax bracket is a hit to small business and will ultimately cause some job loss and a longer recovery. What really kills me is that this administration is blatently killing our hopes in the stock market by raising capital gains and choking our corporate businesses even more by raising the corporate tax rates. They want us to be more dependent on them…..

It would be alot easier to take you whining Republicans seriously if you had bothered to practice the “fiscal responsiblity” that you’re preaching now when you were actually running things.
The fact is, you “conservatives” were all a bunch of greedy little pigs slurping up pork when you ran the show, and now you’re giving us a all a headache with your sanctimonious “do as I say, not as I do crap.”
Pipe down, you partisan clowns – nobody is buying your crap any more. Shut up, get out of the way and let Obama fix your mess. You haven’t earned the right to speak on anything anymore.
Get it?

Liberals are all race-mixing scum who want to destroy the white race with mongrel half-breeds like Obama.

Ryan:”the liberal kooks ALWAYS hijack names in here.”
I’m had my name grabbed a number of times. It’s not a liberal kook thing, more a bored high schooler thing. (No offense to high schoolers.)

20% Americans pays 80% of Taxes.
If Rich & Business do not create jobs, get ready for DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
DEPRESSION,
Tell me the Richest Communist Country, even Communist China is becoming rich by following capitalism
God Bless America.

natale from mass – so you don’t drive on insterstate highways or use the mail system or the internet (all were built by the Federal government, you know)? God you cons and your anti-government nonsense are hillarious.

Even more of a reason we should just go to a flat tax.

Andy:”Bottom 75% pay nearly no taxes”
Pay nearly no FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. Please try to stick to reality. The bottom 75% pay plenty in sales taxes, social security, medicare, property taxes, gas taxes, etc.
I don’t begrudge them, and if they really are getting such a great deal it is very easy to join them.

We should all listen to Tim Geithner. He’s an expert on taxes. ;)

For those so wrapped up in Geithner’s tax issues, let’s set one or two things straight.
First, Geithner’s tax errors WERE NOT discovered by the IRS: it appears they were discovered during screening and independent auditing by him or by the administration and related to his nomination, and were brought to the attention of the IRS – along with a check for the amount owed – by Geithner himself.
Second, the errors Geithner made were apparently so common among current and former U.S.-based employees of foreign embassies, missions and other international groups that by early 2007 the IRS had already established a formal procedure for tax-settlement or “amnesty” for those who discovered that they had made the error and brought it to the attention of the IRS.
I wonder how many of you “conservatives” lambasting Geithner so furiously have ever written a letter to the IRS, stating, “Sirs: I have discovered that I made a big mistake on my tax return a few years ago. Here is an explanation of the error I discovered, and a check for what I should have paid back then. Please accept my apologies for this error and advise what additional amounts I may owe in interest and penalties, which I will pay forthwith. Thank you.”
I’ll wager no even one.

Posted by: young conservative | Mar 4, 2009 3:23:11 PM
YOUNG CONSERVATIVE — Yes, I can tell you what we Conseratives stand for. As far as seeing it in action, all you have to do is look around. If you are in school, just listen to your liberal teachers and professors.
If you watch the news, just look at the blatant liberalism lacky reporting.
Here is what we stand for:
Conservatism:
An ideological base instilled in us by the principles set forth by the Holy Bible, the United States Constitution, family tradition, common sense, and hard work that guides individuals to set a foundation for themselves, their families, and others by abiding to certain rules, regulations and to support, strive and accomplish the vision of a stable and secure society instilled by those principles.
Conservatives believe in black and white truth, absolute wrong versus absolute right, absolute good versus absolute evil. We support the traditional foundations of the United States while recognizing the values of supporting the democratic base of the nation, and their allies abroad. National, as well as global security is recognized as being of the utmost importance for those stable societies to continue.
The heavenly father, a secure nation, the US Constitution, family values, hard work, recognizing truth versus untruth and common sense are all character traits of a good conservative.

I assumed when I stated AGI in my earlier post people would understand I was referring to FEDERAL INCOME TAXES. So do the top 25% who purchase larger ticket items such as cars, boats, home improvements, SS, state taxes, higher property taxes,

As usual, the totally uninformed populus of America is fixated on taxing the rich. Read the whole tax “plan”. Obama also wants higher taxes on busineses. The purpose of most businesses is to make a fair profit on the goods they sell. If they have to pay higher taxes on there income, to meet the bottom line for their goods sold they have 2 choices, lay of workers or increase prices. At the end of the day WE pay their taxes by way of having to pay more for their goods. Is that really that hard to understand? If you aren’t one of the rich, sorry for you, but when you have to pay more for everything you will be poorer than you think you are today.

Somewhere in Illinois, they are missing a community organizer.

This can’t be happening. It’s way worse than I expected.

I think that the tax problem with the guy is ironic.
Remember back in November the media swooning over his application. Those questions that his cabinet et al had to answer to avoid any and all corruption.
Seems that all that swooning by the media of “how great this president will be” is a joke. Daschile, that other woman and this guy, all jokes. And the joke is on Obama.

catman:”my company, which i own was philanthropist of the year in 2005 in my area.”
That is very admirable. But have you seen the social ramifications of large numbers of parents honestly afraid, every day, of their children starving to death? Or their home being lost to a mudslide? Who live a hundred miles from the nearest paved road?
We’re not arguing about rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, we’re arguing over hor’dourves on the Queen Mary and, at some level, we should appreciate that.

Angie – nice try, but what did you cons actually DO about Bush? Nothing! Zero! Zilch! You fools voted for him TWICE and did NOTHING to stand up to his disasterous policies. Don’t try to weasel out of your responsibility for his misrule now.
Oh wow – you didn’t “approve”? BFD. You’re still responsible. Deal with it.

Eric- thank you for posting that. I do know what being a conservative is. I just meant that I have not seen it. I am praying (not hoping) that these times will bring people back to the basics in life- everything you just listed so well. Thank you for caring enough for the guidance.

The US pays the highest corporate taxes i the world; I believe almost 50% more than the declining average.

“Somewhere in Illinois, they are missing a community organizer.”
Who would know?

Eric | Mar 4, 2009 3:20:37 PM….The top 10 poorest cities are all BLUE, most for 20 or more years. I can list them if you’d like.
Posted by: deanbob
DEANBOB — I hear ya. But like I said, I have no concrete data on this because this because whether the data shows that either most states that are poor are Republican states vs Democratic states doesnt concern me.
What concerns me is the state of the country and this idiot that all the idiots of this nation elected. That is the primary concern.

The big fallacy that Republicans promote is that everyone making over $250,000 or more got there because of “hard work”. I bet I work just as hard as most of them and make half as much. While “hard work” may have attributed “luck” and “being in the right place at the right time” or choosing a profession that pays scads of money, attributed just as much. So, my feeling is this….those who make more should pay more…Very simple concept…

praf:”it’s ridiculous that in a capitalist system, the goverment is striving to equalize everyone. What is the incentive to work? ”
Going back to the tax rates of the 90′s is not equalizing everyone. Get a grip, a formerly billion dollar bonus is not going to be turned down because now it’s only 997 million dollars.
This tax rate is barely HALF what it was when Reagan was elected. HALF.

jhw539 I know the leading theories on why oil prices went so high (and no, Bush does not factor into them beyond his characteristic inaction to address them), and I am very familiar with cap and trade. Cap and trade on energy has the Saudis and other oil producing nations terrified. Passing the true cost of oil through to market will devastate demand for their product and spells the beginning of the end of those thugs punching absurdly above their weight on the global stage.
You are dreaming if you think that taxing oil to the point it makes alternative fuels viable has anyone worried except business in this country. Let’s see here, I am going to make my production cost go up so I can scare every other country???? What kind of plan is that???

kilgar, you’re missing the point.
it doesn’t matter than geithner paid the taxes off EVENTUALLY, its that he had NO PLANS on doing so until AFTER obama picked him for tres. secty. i’m POSITIVE obama knew about it and told him don’t worry. he’d smooth things over with the public like he does everything else that’s TOTAL inexcusable.

Hey Eric – I’m a fiscal and social conservative and an atheist – is there room in your tent for me?

Eric: “Conservatism: An ideological base instilled in us by the principles set forth by the Holy Bible…”
Okay, Eric. Go get that Bible out, open its pristine pages, and carefully read the following verses IN THEIR CONTEXTS:
Deuteronomy 15:14
Proverbs 11:25
Isaiah 32:5-8
1 Corinthians 16:3
2 Corinthians 8:2
2 Corinthians 9:13
James 1:5
Revelation 3:17
THEN come back and write to us of what you have learned!

noxos…
what SCARES me is the SHEER STUPIDITY of the american people to be so dang on blind and not realize that they are being screwed. this is no better than bush using 9/11 to strip us of all our rights. obama is using this GENERATED crisis to strip of the lil bit we have left.
WAKE UP!!
and i DID vote for OBAMA, but as an MBA, i can objectively call BS when i c it, no matter who is SHOVELING it out!!!

I have paid an average of $100K in incomes taxes for the last 15 years on income that I, not the government, EARNED by working! Now Obama and his gang want to take more of MY MONEY! I am tired of this “you make it, we take it” liberal mentality. I will retire either in 2010 or 2011, and my “taxable income” will be low enough to join the 40% who pay nothing today. Good luck to the rest of you!

cjr, Obama is increasing taxes on everyone. His plan to hike energy taxes, cap and trade, will raise everyones energy costs. His plan to raise taxes on small businesses earning over 250,000 will increase the cost of goods and services and result in more job lossess. His big deficits and spending will result in everyone owing more money on the deficit which will bankrupt America.

“Rush Limbaugh and his followers would like everyone to think that you are either an arch-conservative in his club, or a flaming pink disgusting liberal bleeding heart do-good non-patriotic worm-turd”
Steve….baby…. Your comment proves that you’ve never even listened to Rush Limbaugh. Because if you did, you would know that he is an affable, straightforward, plain-talking guy, who says over and over and over again how much he wants EVERY PERSON in America to succeed. To be as wealthy and as happy as they can be. To realize their personal potential as a human being.
Where he takes issue (and rightly so), is the GOVERNMENT stepping in and controlling every little aspect of our lives. TAXING us to death, ERODING our liberties, attempting to CHANGE the Constitution, offering NO encouragement or optimism, and looking to EXPAND government’s size, power, wealth and influence by USURPING TAXPAYERS AND BUSINESSES.
Why are you such a nut for the government, Steve? What has the government done for you? Do you work for the government? What? What is it that makes you want the Feds involved with every aspect of your life?

bhuddaflii – I’d love to, in the meantime they should NOT be getting the taxpayers money. Go through bankruptcy, reorganize and come back as a viable company.

250,000$ certainly seems to be the Magic Number.
Yipper, 2 people who sweated the GMAT, finally got their student loans paid off, are contributing to their children’s college accounts, their own 401Ks, buying a house, and working 6-7 days a week, 12-16 hours a day, those are the filthy, made-it-on-your-back b@st@rds who should pay.
If there is 1 thing we loathe in current America its achievement. It makes us look bad.
Do you 250K-haters not have a calculator?
Do you think someone just drove up and gave them 250K?
If you think 250K/year is wealthy that’s a concrete marker of why you are where you are.

Most of the rich crybabies are the ones who inherited their wealth. “My daddy gave it to me and I’m so spoiled I can’t even consider giving any of it away to you low lifes!”

Congrads on the retirement, but i have to continue running my business for several more years now. I also have paid the taxes you are referring to and have worked my butt off as well as taking a lot of risk in order to do it. It is easy for someone who has not put out the effort to sit back and say, oh yea, you should pay more, you are greedy. Of course most have not been willing to take the risk or work their butt off to make that kind of money.

When those with “big money” have their already high taxes increased more (for government greed) they will simply buy a house in Europe to avoid paying all US income taxes, just like the wealthy entertainers do now. A bigger problem I see on the horizon is when the US Government decides it’s going to increase corporate and business taxes. That will set the stage for corporations moving their headquarters overseas as well. American corporations now pay more taxes in the US than any other country around the world. I appears the cesspool US Congress (both democrats & republicans) just can’t see the destruction the do to our economy with their grotesque tax rules and policies. Capitalism will die a slow death because of government constantly draining or sucking funds from the private sector for their own purposes.

Andy | Mar 4, 2009 3:50:05 PM….That an excellent list to target for 2010 replacement!

Geithner is a CROOK.
Nothing was more nauseating than watching him get sworn in as Treasury Secretary, saying, “I promise to uphold the law…blah, blah, blah…”
All I could think was: You’re a CRIMINAL. A TAX CHEATER. You have NO BUSINESS overseeing and procuring money that legitimate businesses and individuals made from the sweat of their brows.
We have a TAX CHEATING CRIMINAL as Secretary of the Treasury.
But I guess it doesn’t matter, since a CRIMINAL RACKETEER is our president.

Go to IRS.gov… look under 1040tt.pdf (the current tax tables):
I will approximate the tax code (because, it is not a simple math kind of thing..)
$250,000 (individual)in 2008 pays $61,229 in taxes (that leaves $188,771 in income or $15,730 per month — they can probably eat and be clothed and housed just fine).
Simply adding 3.6% to that amount… call it $9000 as someone posted above… (and it REALLY is not that simple… I agree, just approximate numbers here)
You get a tax payment of $70,229 (leaving $179,771 or $14,980 per month to spend — still plenty for food, clothing and a house … maybe even a new car!)
The point I am making is that letting tax cuts expire — please read that again — not RAISING taxes per se, but letting tax cuts EXPIRE ONLY on the wealthiest segment of US society — this is not reason to fear some sort of grave situation. Also important — these tax cuts do not expire until 2011.. that is two years away, leaving plenty of time to plan ahead.
PS — if the economy isn’t in better shape by 2011… well, then we are ALL is a mess o’ trouble. That means the whole world, by the way. This current situation isn’t just the USA — it is world wide, in case you don’t choose to read facts.

My wife and I will make about $275K this year (don’t know about 2011 when the higher rates are scheduled to kick in). While I don’t want to pay higher taxes I am even more opposed to the runaway federal deficits this country seems to be addicted to. Bushie Junior’s plan to get elected again in ’04 was to reduce the tax on the rich, crank up spending (icluding on his unnecessary war in Iraq) and just run up the deficit. Unless this country does something meaningful to eliminate the federal budget deficits it will collpase financially under the weight of them. All we will be doing is paying the interest on the federal debt.

Get Real: You miss the whole point. It is amazing how many of the rich DO NOT contribute back into the system they are fighting so hard to fight against. Greed seems to be the mantra of many of the conservatives out there. It is amazing how many of these greedy individuals and corporations scream for more and more tax breaks and less oversight so they can ship our jobs and production overseas to help them make more money and than play with all the bonuses that they were rewarded for doing just that. Enough is enough. It is time to put checks and balances back into the system to protect us all and help our nation grow again. You are a fool to believe that these ultra-conservative neo-cons care one small bit about your needs or anyone but themselves. That is what makes them the hard-hearted and soulless beings that they are. I hope that you are not part of that crowd but your obvious expressed support of this greedy philosophy makes me doubt so.

billy bob, You will be the “clueless” one when more people like VFJ choose not to involuntarily pay for your health care, housing, etc etc. Maybe than you will get off your butt and go out and earn the money to pay for your health care and houseing rather than getting Obama to turn the VFJs of the world into your personal slave.

You can always depend on Republicans to be for the wealthy. They don’t like social programs for the masses, they don’t like stimulous for the working families even if it has oversight and accountibility, but they do think bailouts are OK for Wall Street or banking as long as there is no oversight and no accountability. It appears they always take the side of greed, greed, greed!! Hypocrits – they sure are not Christian!

Not a problem dude, or dudette :)
Eric- I am a woman and do not require the dudette:) I even call my mother dude! That is a key difference between the women of different parties. Not offended. I will be judged on my actions and require no special privileges. I hope you find it comforting to know that all is not lost in the younger generations.

dassis | Mar 4, 2009 3:56:33 PM….What about all of the other Federal and state taxes (and state income taxe where applicable) and fees? WHY, because someone makes more than $250K, should they be required to pay a hihger rate ( they’re already paying significantly more real dollars) ?

President Porkulas and his non tax paying croonies have no idea what they are doing! If this was a Republican that didn’t pay his taxes all you O-bots would be in an uproar.

Can someone tell me, is it only 5% of americans (couples) that make over $250k/year….??? I’m surprised by that.

Don’t worry Dems – this plan will not affect you (even those of you that are wealthy). Geithner and Obama are going to chase offshore tax avoidance schemes – since Dems can stay in the US and avoid their taxes, this does not apply to them.

Bob Retired, I agree with everything except your last sentence. Capitalism will die a very quick death. I don’t know why anyone would be surprised, we knew obama was an anticapitalist before he was elected. Show me your friends and I’ll show you your future.

dlboggan… Cry me a river. Why do you think businesses are in business?
I have shocking news for you: It’s to MAKE MONEY. That’s it. Simple.
Businesses are not out to employ people, or feed and clothe you, live by moral principles, or see that the world is full of butterflies and happy songs.
They are in the business of MAKING MONEY. TURNING PROFITS.
And thank God that they are, because in the process, they provide jobs for you and me, goods and services for everyone to utilize, and a tax base for our usurping government. And they do it as ccheaply, quickly and efficiently as they can.
What ELSE are businesses for? Can you enlighten me?

jim – um, actually Geithner did pay his taxes. Didn’t you read the story? You dumb cons need to find something new to whine about. LOL

dlboggan | Mar 4, 2009 4:02:00 PM
…Greed seems to be the mantra of many of the conservatives out there.
…….Independent analysis of tax returns showed Democrats had lower Schedule A Charitable donation numbers than non Democrats (Obama gave ~$3000 before he announced his presidential interests).

dlboggan….. When a well to do person goes out and buys a 100,000 auto thy’re paying 5 time the sales taxes you pay for your Honda or used car. When they have renovations done on their home they’re paying 10 -20 times what you pay. They’re also keeping that contractor in business so he can employee more workers. When they buy high end appliances they are paying more taxes than you. Every time they go out and spend big bucks, they’re are generating income for someone else who in turn is employing others.

Eric- I am a woman and do not require the dudette:) I even call my mother dude! That is a key difference between the women of different parties. Not offended. I will be judged on my actions and require no special privileges. I hope you find it comforting to know that all is not lost in the younger generations.
Posted by: young conservative
Didnt mean to offend Young Conservative :) Just didnt know if you were a man or woman.
At any rate, you can see how the liberals are trying to tear us down as we speak.
I laid out to you the basic principles of a “Conservative” (at least, from my conservative view)….
Now take “Jordans Post” at 3:42pm. What he did was read my post, then went and pulled quotes out of the bible that would support his argument.
The only problem is, is that he/she is trying to knock you and I off focus.

AND YOU PEOPLE WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO RUN HEALTH CARE TOO?

Obama should dump Geithner now! He is damaged goods. He did cheat on his taxes no matter how you spin it. And for him to be “cracking down” on others is painfully hypocritical.
He has also totally failed to reassure markets and, in fact, sends them down hundreds of point every time he says something Dump Tiny Tim! Dump Tiny Tim! Dump Tiny Tim!

dlboggan…….. As Margaret Thachter said.
The problem with socialism is, sooner or later you run out of other peoples money.

Flat tax and term limits at EVERY level of government (local, state and national). In fact, forget the flat tax. I’d rather have a national sales tax of 15% with NO exemptions – not even for non-profits. Get rid of the IRS and State Revenue agencies. Get rid of the entire income tax industry (tax accountants, tax attorneys, tax courts, etc…) That should be a pretty big savings to the federal and state budgets.

It’s $250k/married couple

deanbob – that study was debunked – turns out that Republicans were giving money to PACs and Political campaigns through conservative churches and trying to write them off as charity. Nice try. Dems actually give much more to charity than Republicans. Dems are better human beings than Republicans in every way – especially when it comes to humility. LOL

If I pay my taxes later than sooner, is the penalty and fine still the same? 0 . Just depends on your definition of “is”. All dems are crooks.

Obama and his crew need to step aside now! He is taking this country down the wrong path!

Reality Bites | Mar 4, 2009 4:16:26 PM
Try backing up your rhetoric with documented sources

Dear BlofeldBuildings,
I do listen to Rush Limbaugh occasionally. I listened to him during the time that he was pressing for the government to interfere in the Terri Sciavo case – remember that? Talk about government getting involved… I also listened to him when he said that Michael Fox was purposefully not taking his meds so that he would appear shakier during some political commercials – remember that? I think Rush Limbaugh is VERY good at what he does – he’s an entertainer, and a critic. I think he should live up to his own standards ( he can’t ) and should run for political office and put his money where his mouth is ( he won’
t ).
As far as my love for government, I don’t – but as long as we have to have one, and we do, it should be a good one. I like the way government works here in New Hampshire, but it’s a very small state. It doesn’t seem to work very well at all in California, but I love Schartzenegger and think that the Constitution should be changed so that he can run for President – and I really mean that – I have enormous respect for the guy.
As for what Government has done for me – they built the roads that I drive on. They do research on diseases to keep my kids from dying early. Medicare helped my Dad stay alive after he had 2 strokes as a result of a misdiagnosis last year. I can go to a library to learn, and a park to relax. I can take my kids to a beach in the summer. If my house catches on fire I don’t have to have an iron insurance emblem on my barn to get it put out. They were supposed to be watching the banks so that people with access that I could never get couldn’t bet money that housing prices would go up forever, but they failed in that regard.
They keep land free for the people (thank you Teddy R.), and protect animal species from being wiped out. Because of government, the rivers in Ohio aren’t burning anymore, and I can swim in the Merrimack without getting a tetanus shot afterward. Because of government I can take my kids fishing in a stream, and then eat the fish because government stopped the paaper mills from disgorging chemicals into that stream.
And, because of government, on July 20, 1969, I got to watch an American step foot on the moon.
Should I go on?

Thanks Mack! Really only 5%??? I thought it would be higher than that…

nomomoney “It’s $250k/married couple” – okay, but based on line 43 – not line 38 – right???

What a hypocrite! You better not criticize him though or you will end up on the White House enemies list along with Rick Santelli, Jim Cramer, and Rush. Propaganda Minister ‘Baghdad Bob’ Gibbs will be attacking you from the White House bully pulpit of White House Spokesman.

deanbob – right after he audited HIMSELF and discovered that he had miscalculated. Thanks for asking! NEXT! LOL
Bottom line – Geithner paid his taxes and the IRS has no beef with him – so why do you? Could it because you dumb cons are so desperate that you’ll latch on to any nonsense non-issue to discredit Obama?
Got you people are pathetic!

Eric: “Conservatism: An ideological base instilled in us by the principles set forth by the Holy Bible…”
Okay, Eric. Go get that Bible out, open its pristine pages, and carefully read the following verses IN THEIR CONTEXTS:
Deuteronomy 15:14
Proverbs 11:25
Isaiah 32:5-8
1 Corinthians 16:3
2 Corinthians 8:2
2 Corinthians 9:13
James 1:5
Revelation 3:17
THEN come back and write to us of what you have learned!
Posted by: Jordan
JORDAN — You operate under the false assumption that we Conservatives are “Against” the poor, or, rather do not care about the poor.
I might instruct you (since you posted scripture), that Conservatives have given more (as recent studies suggest over the last 5 years), than liberal groups to the poor.
Furthermore, we Christians have given more to the poor in our existence as human beings, than liberals have done over their existence, or even hope to give.
Liberals tend not to give to humanity because you liberals dont have anything to give.
That is where you are being misled. You denegrate Christ and vote for Obama to save you. Why? Because you hate the rich and you dont believe in our saviour (Not Obama, but Christ)….
Obama is not going to save you dude. +

Nichole | Mar 4, 2009 4:17:33 PM……What’s wrong with the FAIRTAX (FAIRTAX.ORG)?

People working the system need to be punished. World pressure should be put on the Swiss and Cayman banks because they are nothing but boring pirates. Communism’s flaw was the corruption and after incompetant and corrupt leaders took away the checks and balances introduced by the forefathers, democracy flails.

Henry, I work and make about $54,000 and I gave over $6,000 to chairty this year alone. I work but I also help those who are victims of the wall street titans greed. I am a Democrat and most Republicans are only interested in money and greed. They care not for the victims they leave behind. Go look in the mirror and iin your case you will see greed.

dlboggan:: You’re the one looking for cradle to grave government, not me.

It’s good to see the Artful Tax Dodger isn’t being let off the hook about his blatant disregard for the law. This is the most disingenuous administration. It was supposed to be so ‘ethical’ but they are filling the administration with a bunch of tax dodgers, lobbyists, and ethically challenged nitwits. Good lord, no wonder the economy is tanking.

Here’s a thought: Let’s tell the Red states they don’t have to pay federal income taxes. Then we’ll take back any federal assistance they receive. Sounds like a plan to me!

Vox pupuli I am sorry there are no rich democrates. I do not know how this could have happened. All these years and when Clinton held the office I did not know all the democrates where broke. Thank God John kerry and his family have no interest in Ketchup. Sorry to see Edwards living in the slum and franks. Glad he is broke and watching Freddie and Fannie which he was warned about in 2001. If you need a loan I can front some food money for you? Let me know.

Interesting at all the anger towards the “wealthy”. Do people not realize that most of the taxes in this country are paid by these people. Without their taxes
the government has no money for social programs. Higher taxes are like biting the hand that feeds you.

I’d like to see a study of where the richest people live. I’d guess the wealthiest people live in blue states.

Eric,
Just finished your description of conservatism. Mostly social conservativism, as compared to political and fiscal conservatism. The description’s binary qualities, however, cry out for definition. “Certain rules”, “absolute wrong/right/good/evil”, “truth”, “untruth”, “traditional foundations”. Whose rules? Who gets to decide what is absolutely true or right? What are the traditions that are so cherished? The essential problem with mixing these sorts of ideas (while you may think they are ideals, they are simply ideas)with politics is that politicians have influence. Stick with political conservatism (ala Goldwater and Reagan)and fiscal conservatism (ala Bush #1). The social conservatism landscape is dotted with quicksand and booby traps.
Posted by: cjs569
Who’s rules? Why, they are without a doubt, the Conservative rules.
I have been blogging for many years on numerous website. I pay attention not only to the responses, but the news, the foundations of principles, the bible, society as a whole, and to various discussion groups, etc….
I’m an educated and well informed individual. I’ve lived 42 years now and from the political landscape of things, I tend to delve myself into the fray, as it were…..
In saying that, it doesnt matter what you think from what perspective I describe “Conservatism”, because I know I am correct. And, the majority of the country would tend to agree with me.
Now, you may come back and say, “Then why did we vote for a Democrat for President”?
I answer that, as I did in an earlier post, that most people of this country are “Politcally STUPID”…..

I’m with Shannon. Red States of America Unite!

The only thing I don’t get is how did they choose $250,000. By no means is that rich. Trust me I know and I do not over spend. I live in a modest 2 BR condo. I guess I just don’t understand. Why not $500,000. And how do they figure that we are in the top 5% of wage earners?

It’s $200k for a single person and $250k for a married couple.

Eric: Obama is NOT my Savior! MY Savior instructed me, “Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”
Posted by: Jordan
Good for you. What do you say the “Raping” of our economic society by Obama now?

The thing is that the rich are used to pay less taxes. The best way to fix this would be to have a flat rate across the board lets say 10-15% this way everyone pays the same rate, but the rich will pay more because they make more.

dlboggan | Mar 4, 2009 4:34:40 PM Andy: It’s greed and you know it. These people that go out and spend 100,000 on a car or build their McMansions employ very few people with their purchases in comparison to the millions of people out their that can far outspend a greedy republican and contribute in mass to the American economy. Greedy Republicans care less about America
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Spoken like a true bottom feeder. I owe you nothing. If you can’t succeed in life on your own then no one else should be responsible for your miserable existence. If you’re looking for handouts move to France

Tax hikes from people that did not pay their taxes to begin with. Tax increases for everyone except the privilege in D.C. Last year we made less that 40,000 so not rich but stop the class warfare it will come back and bite the Dem big time. Tax hikes and over 9,000 earmarks and about 8 billion but that probably not all of them. So much for change Obama. The change is only that the Dem control Congress and not now the White House. They will eye the Supreme Court for total control. They attack anyone who questions now Cramer, Limbaugh. You may not like Limbaugh but if they are able to silent his voice they are able to silent ANYONE. Last week Sen Gregg came under attack for something that many people in Congress do and is legal but tar and feather all who the White House deem enemies. Here comes the 70′s and Nixon’s enemy list they can deny it like Nixon and his supporter but the truth will come out even if the main media is in the tank with Obama. Your turn is coming if you question. Just do so to find out.

Eric…
MOST of the country does not agree with you.
That’s why we elected our current President. We are not “politically stupid” just because we disagree with YOU!
Arrogance nor hypocrisy are a Christian ideals.

camp50 | Mar 4, 2009 4:29:02 PM…..and Ron Kirk has been busy paying the taxes he has been found not to have paid – all before his confiirmation hearings! Have you seen the cartoon that says if all of the Obama cabinet appointees paid their back taxes, we wouldn’t need any stimulus bills?

pohcd…
Do you actually think that there are NO Republican initiated earmarks among the “9000″ you cite in the budget?
Please, get some facts — they are quite easy to find — you are on the internet, after all.

Eric: What do you say [about] the “Raping” of our economic society by Bush, Cheney/Halliburton, Enron, Exxon-Mobil, Chevron-Texico, Gingrich, DeLay, Armey, etc.? For that matter, what about the more literal rape of Jamie Leigh Jones in Iraq which was abetted after the fact by Halliburton subsidiary KBR?
My Savior also instructed me, “Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.” Best read that in context, also.

Jesus was a Democrat.

Here’s a thought: Let’s tell the Red states they don’t have to pay federal income taxes. Then we’ll take back any federal assistance they receive. Sounds like a plan to me!………Posted by: Shannon ………..No problem, I would love for my state, TEXAS to secede from the Union so that we don’t have to support your unions and banking bail outs…..Plus, Texas has oil, gas, farming, hunting, illegals —when we need extra labors, great medical facilities, NASA, wonderful colleges, great sport teams…ooops we will give you the Texas Rangers baseball team for 10 bats, great law enforcement, plenty of land, lakes and a sea (if you call the Gulf of Mexico a nice sea). But all in all we can survive on our own without the the sorry Federal Gov’t. Once the Gov’t starts taxing you for all the miles you drive on your car, heck we will just start riding our horses to school and work….no problem… Galveston is still waiting for the sorry ass federal gov’t to help them rebuild…but the media won’t do a report on that city.

dlboggan,
You still haven’t told us how many corporations you have created!

camp50 | Mar 4, 2009 4:29:02 PM…..That’s (Cal has no money) is why Pelosi put the TRAIN in the pork bill for us all to pay.

camp50 – I’m a Texan. I live in Fort Worth, the largest city in America to vote for Bush. Twice. I also ride the train to work, so I’m not worried about the gas tax. Our natural gas that provides as much pollution as all the cars driving in DFW. You can have it all. Especially Jerry Jones.

“Dassis — Read my earlier post
4:35:33 pm”
Eric… that is the exact post I was referencing.
Again, You are not in the majority and your way of thinking is not that of MOST Americans today — March 4, 2009.
Period.

Eric – your description of conservatism is correct – in your opinion. It is also, in my opinion, shortsighted and self-limiting. While I could possibly be the ONLY Conservative (big C) in America that disagrees with you, I imagine that I am not. Social conservative views such as those you have expressed are, most likely, one of the major reasons that the Republican party took such a drubbing in 2006 and 2008. Open your perspective a tad.
Posted by: cjs569
CJS569 — Whether you agree with me or not is irrelevent. What I can tell you that all the studies that have been done point to this nation being a Center/Right nation.
As I said earlier, people were buffooned into voting for Obama. Most Americans are “Politically STUPID”…that is without a doubt.
I can cite many examples on here.
Now, to directly answer your question that you asked, I’ve never stated that Republicans were without fault.
There is greed, envy, cronyism, and sellouts that happen in both parties.
Where I dissasociate myself from those two, are that I believe my core principles are the best for the country.
Not liberalism. Take away the corruption and if we had a society that was just and fair (liberlism vs Conservatism), liberalism does not fair too well in my book. I have proof to back that up (as I laid out in an earlier post with certain liberal cities that I cited)….

Andy: Bottom feeder won’t work here. That is a typical statement from those out there who have no desire to care about their fellow human being on this Earth. I shudder to think about your thoughts about those that you see in need during hard times. Eat or be eaten? Survival of the fittest? It is those like yourself that I fear most in life. Be careful that you do not reap that which you sow. We must all face judgement no matter how much we want to avoid it.

Kate2 writes: “How can this man sit in front of any committee (unless of course it is chaired by fellow tax cheat charlie rangel) and talk about tax havens. Talk about audacity!”
My reply: Obama the Saint nominated THREE tax cheats in a row for appointments, right at the start of his New Regime. He insisted Geithner was “essential” to the Big Plan to Heal the economy. When Geithner was grilled by Congress a short while ago, they were STUNNED…he had a month to prepare and virtually NOTHING to say…no plan…no nothing. To those who IDOLIZE Obama–watch out. This could easily slip into the worst presidency in history, despite the rhetoric. He had precious few credentials before. And now, he has some power and believes he can totally reshape America, despite the divisions of many points of view. I am not optimistic at all. Just wait until Iran gets the bomb as his cadres shmooze with Ahmadinejad who is playing Obama and the U.N. like a fiddle, buying time while building The Bomb…

steve | Mar 4, 2009 4:47:19 PM…Glen Beck proposed an experiment: 50% (liberals, dems, etc) take the east and west coast plus a few(add up to 25); 50% (conservatives, libertarians, Repubs) take the inner states(25), build a wall then see the results iin 10 years. Interesting discussion.

I don’t recall the people making over 250,000 a year complaining when Bush was giving them tax “breaks”

Eric, I was trying to be funny and bring a little levity to this discussion. :)

BlofeldBuildings: Your post name speaks much of you extremism. You are so far out there on the extreme that it is probably best that you should be ignored for the betterment of all, including yourself. I suggest that you seek out some very qualified counseling to make sure you don’t do what your post name implies.

dassis | Mar 4, 2009 4:52:28 PM….Obama won the election, but according to Rasmussen: In the latest poll, 58% believe the nation is moving down the wrong track, compared to 62% last week and 64% the week before.

camp50: While those people do exist, they are the exception to the rule. I am a product of welfare. I had federal PELL grants to fund my college education, my husband had is college loans paid off by enlisting in the military, and while serving his country, we qualified for and received WIC. Now, we are taxpaying, productive members of society. We would not be where we are today without the little help from the government.
I think the reality is that most conservitives and/or Republicans miss is that without a little safety net for people with nothing, we would have civil unrest. People would torch cars, steal from businesses and much worse. I’m willing to pay a little extra in taxes to ensure that doesn’t happen.

Eric… You’re right Democrats seem to have a really hard time with facts!!!!

Shannon……….yep I think I left off Jerry “MR. EGO” Jones…Which of you loser states what this control freck football owner? California? ooops you already have Al Davis and the Raiders… What about Michigan…the Unions would love Jerry….lol

DASSIS — Are you prepared to challenge me on the fact that “Most American are NOT politically STUPID”????
Are you saying something different than you did at 4:35?
There you say “most Americans ARE politically stupid”
My stance is simply that MOST Americans do not agree with you (according to what you have posted here, clear and easy to read).
I have not made a statement regarding the intelligence of the American electorate, but I will: With the advent of the internet, among other avenues of readily available information, more Americans are active in and well informed regarding the political process.
That’s not a definition of stupid.
I would go on with you, but I have to tend to my business for a while.
I will be back online approx 5:30 PM PST. We could continue then…?

BlofeldBuildings – actually, I’m old enough to remember crazy old John Birch and his anti-government, arch-conservative rantings, but I’m kind of saddened to see that fringe kook’s rhetoric become part of the mainstream GOP platform.
Sorry, but Republicans are the new radicals – you need to update your calendar. It’s no longer “greasy hippies” throwing bombs now – it’s wackadoo Republicans who want to “drown the government in a bathtub”.
Sorry, pal, but we libs ARE the establishment now, we’ve settled down and become invested in this country – it’s you con nutjobs who want to tear everything down just to prove a point.
Like a said – conservtives are the new anarchists.

Eric – a final thought before I sign off. That you have principles and feel them to be well-founded is quite admirable. So many just flounder. Remember one thing – our world (in every sense of the word) is technicolor. Any view that recognizes solely black and white (truth and untruth, good and evil – you get the drift) is ultimately due to be revealed as inadequate. Have a good life.
Posted by: cjs569
CJS569 — Thanks. I’ve always had a good life. You wanna know why? Because I’ve never relied on anyone to make it so.
I’ve always relied on myself. I learned from an early age that you can not rely on another human being for your existence.
This is not to say that you cant rely on your family, friends, aquaintences, etc….
What I’m saying is that from a political perspective, you are doomed if you feel compelled to rely on someone (such as Obama) to make your life better.
This is simply called: A fools choice…
Remember, most Americans are “Politically Stupid”…hence, the reason why Obama was elected…

Andy …..I would love to see what charitable contributions Soros and Buffet make.

Camp50 – maybe you need to ask people other than Republicans those questions? After all, studies have shown that Dems are Libs are both better educated and more up on current events – and able answer related questions much more accurately – than FOX-News addled Conservatives. LOL

deanbob ….. Soros only give’s to the bottom feeders like MoveON.org and MediaMatters those liberal “stink” tanks.

Binky Coxswain………lets see, a certain night host did ask those questions to people in California….who by far has the most register Democratic voters in the Union…..lol…..

It amazes me how many people miss the point on Tim Geithner’s taxes. He paid up only after he got called on it. On top of that, he was cut slack on the penalties and interest. No one that wasn’t connected would not get off so easy. Those are the facts.

Please stop label couple with 250K income are rich. It’s all relative to the cost of living. A typical professional couple in NY, SF, Silicon Valley or DC are about that level. I can’t say for other area, but in Silicon valley, you pay 1M for 5500SF lot and 1200SF house built 40 years ago.
That 250K vanish very quick(10-20K) for local property tax alone. I hav’t get up to that level yet, but I can tell you my family NEVER bought a 5$ per pound steak yet for the last 10+ years we live in Silicon Valley. How many of you clamor for well tranfer can day that!

Time to go, It’s been fun and have a great evening

Eric – did you really just say that “you can’t rely on another human being for your existence”?
You do realize that’s biologically impossible, right?
God you cons and your thoughtless rhetoric are too funny.
Grow up and get a life you silly goose!
LOL

Eric: “…I will make you fishers of men.”
HE also said, “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.”
Be careful, Eric. I can absolutely guarantee you that Jesus IS NOT a Republican! Be careful that you do not fall into the error of [saying] “I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked”.
The Bible and the Savior utterly transcend politics. Your works will be judged – not by Conservatism v. Liberalism – but by obedience and love v. disobedience and selfishness (John 15:17).
Posted by: Jordan
JORDAN — You keep trying to tie me into saying that “Jesus was a Republican”…..
Why do you do that?
My “Conservative” description (according to me, not JESUS) is exactly how I laid it out.
Think of my conservative description from “My perspective” JORDAN, not JESUS’. JESUS shares no political ideology. JESUS is what he is. Our saviour.
However, I will tend to argue with you that JESUS would most likely side with us Consservatives because liberals dont believe in Christ.
That is the only distinction that I make…..

Jesus might not be a Republican, but Jesus would most certainly would not be a pro-abortion Democrat. :)

Binky Coxswain | Mar 4, 2009 5:09:01 PM……I worked with a guy who had a PHD and was a member of MENSA. But, he was always at the bottom of the group when productivity was measured. Its not what you have, its what you do with what you have.

LLG…the IRS does give rewards for turning tax evaders in-once it is proven…so if it feels right-go ahead and do it…and maybe someone will turn you in…and so be it

VFJ – Democrats are NOT pro-abortion. They are pro-choice, which means they believe that it’s none of your business what they do with their bodies. It’s between them and their God. I don’t see all you Republicans lining up to adopt all the unwanted babies.
Posted by: steve
STEVE — I beg to differ. I would almost put my next paycheck against the fact that the majority of people that adopt, are conservatives, and not liberals.
Want to take that wager?

Concerned Citizen | Mar 4, 2009 5:27:24 PM……I would like to see Geitner receive the same treatment you or I would receive (aren’t we citizens of the same country all governed by the same laws?).

I don’t think people should be criminalized for owing taxes. What I don’t like is how some (like Geithner) can ignore the IRS until he needs to get confirmed for a job. I owed the feds about $800 and I knew I owed it to them. I wrote to them about a payment plan. They contacted me and I paid off my debt. It is arrogant of someone to owe the govt 40K and not take any action to pay until it is made public and his job is on the line. He knew he owed the IRS–just like I knew I owed the IRS. I contacted the IRS and made arrangements to pay–but for his becoming Treasury Secretary, he would still owe back taxes to the IRS.

My husband and I make combined 256K.If these tax hiles take place we will work less and fall below the magic amount.We willcut back on services that we use and that will hurt others. We both worked very hard to get where we are today. I grew up very poor. My parents taught me to work hard , go to school and we will do well. I am not sure that is the way we are headed these days. I do not mind paying taxes, but I believe in a flat tax.I am not greedy we give 25% to charity. We also volunteer free time to helping people since we both work in healthcare.We also still have school loans that are more than our house. We budget use coupons ect.

My husband and I make combined 256K.If these tax hiles take place we will work less and fall below the magic amount.We willcut back on services that we use and that will hurt others. We both worked very hard to get where we are today. I grew up very poor. My parents taught me to work hard , go to school and we will do well. I am not sure that is the way we are headed these days. I do not mind paying taxes, but I believe in a flat tax.I am not greedy we give 25% to charity. We also volunteer free time to helping people since we both work in healthcare.We also still have school loans that are more than our house. We budget use coupons ect.
Posted by: moxfray
MOXFRAY — I am in the same position as you are in. At this point, I’m afraid to say it but through my hard work (and apparently yours as you just described), it does us no good at all to climb to the top of the ladder.
The further we climb, the more money Obama will take from us. So, why do it?
For me, I’m strapped because I have 3 kids to support. One of mine just turned 18. I’m just waiting for the other two so I dont have to pay my ex anymore child support.
Then, I’m getting out of the high paying job that I’m in now, and working at 7-11 (well, maybe that’s a stretch)….
but anyway, fuuuuck Obama….his black asss is not going to dictate what I do with my money….

moxfray: If you and your husband make a combined $256K, likely as not you will STILL see no tax increase, because your taxable NET income after all exemptions and deductions (1040 line 43) will still be below $250K… won’t it?

Eric: I think you just spilled all the truth of your bigotry all over the floor. In fact, I think you just revealed a whole lot about yourself and your self-righteous self-centeredness. (Unless, of course, you have been spoofed – but the post is in your style.)

Eric: I think you just spilled all the truth of your bigotry all over the floor. In fact, I think you just revealed a whole lot about yourself and your self-righteous self-centeredness. (Unless, of course, you have been spoofed – but the post is in your style.)
Posted by: Jordan
JORDAN — You can label me what you will. Furthermore, I will save you the time. I AM A RACIST.
Now that we have that out of the way, why dont you go to the website that I instructed you to go to and try to explain it away (meaning, the 250K taxes t hat you dont think wil raise)

JORDAN — Since you are so immersed in what Obama is going to do for you and your fellow man that doesnt make 250K or more, why dont you answer this question for me, and everyone else on here:
Outside of the fact that taxes are going to raise on families that make 250K or more, dummy Obama states (as he has during his campaign, and now in office) that the middle class is going to get a “Tax Cut”.
Tax Cut? How so? If dummy Obama taxes the rich, do you think they are just going to suck up that loss? No. They are going to pass those taxes increases onto the public.
Simply meaning, when dummy Obama taxes the rich, the price of yours, and my goods are going to increase.
So, where’s the tax cut?

Well, that settles all the other bible-based arguments for sure: you may as well also admit that you are an unrepentant sinner and a liar.
But as far as the tax issue, you do understand the purpose of Schedule A, don’t you?
Posted by: Jordan
JORDAN — Simply answer the question that I proposed. You can do that, cant you>

Well, that settles all the other bible-based arguments for sure: you may as well also admit that you are an unrepentant sinner and a liar.
But as far as the tax issue, you do understand the purpose of Schedule A, don’t you?
Posted by: Jordan
JORDAN — Simply answer the question that I proposed. You can do that, cant you>
BY the way, yes, I am a sinner. And, so are you. But, I’m not a liar.
Now, kindly answer the question that I proposed.

bob – your pov that “the wealthy have been taking down this country down too long” is interesting. don’t you think someone who is poor and who has eight kids and clogs the school system and the hospitals is doing a much better job taking the country down. how is someone who is contributing and paying taxes more guilty of “taking this country down” than someone who contributes nothing and takes from cradle to grave. have you been to california? do you know what economic state it’s in? people who can’t or won’t take care of themselves – but who are able – are the ones who contribute far more to the economic stress of local governments. as politically incorrect and inconvenient that truth is.

bob – i don’t think the “rich have been taking down this country for years” any more than someone who has eight kids and is clogging up all the government programs, schools, welfare, health, etc (california). but that’s not very popular to say is it – so go ahead and keep bashing the rich as they fund your tax break.

While I personally have no problem paying a higher rate on the income my wife and I make in excess of $250K (it won’t be all that much but we will still feel the difference), at the same time I would like to see some REAL reform in the way my tax dollars are spent. I don’t want it to go for a bunch of ridiculous earmarks; I don’t want it to go to people like Octomom who crank out extra children to qualify for more federal aid; I have no problem with it going to people who through no fault of their own need assistance. I would like to see more charitable giving like the type that Warren Buffet + Bill & Melinda Gates are doing — people who are incredibly well off giving to people who have been less fortunate. My wife and I donate to MEND — it is a good cause.

Just tax everyone at a flat rate of 10% and eliminate all deductions. We should all be paid according to what the marketplace will bear and nobody ought to get a deduction for ANYTHING.

Eric: “Simply answer the question that I proposed.”
I have not found any URL you posted here. They do filter those out pretty fast, however… unless it points to one of their own.
Federal income tax is based on NET income, not gross or even adjusted gross (except for Alt. Min. Tax.) So if you earn 275K but have $26K in various deductions, you do not meet the $250K bar.
Beyond that, I do not know what you are asking.

Brad: 10% will not run our federal government: it would not even run the military. Typically, somewhere around 30-40% is required to pay for basic infrastructure and defense alone – NOT counting actual war.
If you are plucking 10% out of the bible (Old Testament) you should be aware that it specifies several different tithes, some of which were collected only in certain years. The sum of all the tithes listed in scripture, adjusted to annual average, is 33%.

Rich people never pay taxes anyway. It’s futile.

1) it is clear that most posters do not understand the concept of ‘marginal tax rates’ … look at the tax tables at the end of the 1040 book
2) the proposed rates are nowhere near highest historical rates
3)from each according to their ability (unless they are treasury secretary)
4)in a few years, we will approach $20trillion in debt … the future rates that will be required for debt service will make these look cheap.

OneObservation: Actually 4 very good observations. Thank you.
allan ford: He DID pay. He or his auditors (not the IRS) found a VERY COMMON error and corrected it. The IRS already had a policy in place for dealing with those who found and voluntarily corrected this precise kind of mistake because it IS so common and prevalent: they let you get away with it ONCE without penalties if you find it and correct it (pay it) by yourself.

It’s funny how these Republicans are “fighting” for that 3% tax hike. My taxes has gone up since I began working…making 22-32,000 per year, raising 3 children, making a mortgage on a “modest” home. Bill Clinton, Buffett and others aren’t hollering, just the selfish, greedy rich f…. who wants something for nothing.

To set the record straight:
Geithner failed to pay $40000 in taxes from 2001 to 2004. During this period he worked for the IMF where he failed
to pay self-employment taxes on his income. After an audit by the IRS in 2006, Geithner paid the self-employment taxes and interest from 2003 and 2004. The IRS waived penalties for those tax years. At this time he did not advise the IRS that he also did not pay the SE taxes on the income he earned from 2001 and 2002. Geithner only paid back the past-due taxes from 2001 and 2002 because he knew he was going to be nominated for Sec of Treas. As one can see this was not a common error but a consciemce avoidance of his tax responsibility. Our tax system is based on voluntary compliance and we all pay for the those who cheat the system.

I watched Geithner testify. He pulled an Obama had a few phrases he would repeat in almost every group of questions, and would not answer any questions directly. When snagged lying, he just kept lying and didn’t even bat an eyelash. It was pathetic.

Steve, sweetheart. Have you done the math? Spending will not be covered by their tax increases as they are promising. They also assumed that the economy would improve much more than the even the most positive consensuses. Obama is a marxist—-marxist economies don’t do well and never recover…. The numbers Geither and Obama are pimping don’t add up for one. Two, the increases they are pushing like the Cap and Trade alone will increase everyone’s electric bill by 40% minimum. Then you have the charity and mortgage deductions that will hurt most that are actually you know paying their mortgaghes. Obama has all sorts of hidden taxes to harm everyone. And then you have the other bad bad issue—-Obama’s scams and waste of money harm the hell out of economies and is more than enough to cause the rich who pay most of our bils to leave the country to save their income from being taxed. (Obama doesn’t like mention that when our tax rate was higher, this is exactly what the rich didn’t pay taxes here.) Oh, and btw The US already has the highest tax rate on businesses.

America’s middle class is hurting. Trillions of dollars in home equity and retirement savings and college savings are gone. And every day, more and more Americans are losing their jobs.
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For the backbone of America, it’s insult on top of injury. Over the course of America’s last economic expansion, the middle class participated in very few of the benefits. But now in the midst of this historic economic downturn, the middle class sure is participating in all of the pain. Something is seriously wrong when the economic engine of this nation – the great middle class – is treated this way.
President Obama and I are determined to change this. Quite simply, a strong middle class equals a strong America. We can’t have one without the other.
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To build an inclusive society, Congress must structure the tax system to do the greatest amount of good for the largest number of people, not just big business and the super wealthy. Sooner or later, we have to clean up from the economic decisions of the past eight years. That’s a burden that should be borne by business as well as individuals.
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Tax all income the same whether it is made in China, London, or New York. Corporations are not taxed on foreign profits until it is brought back into the United States therefore, companies reinvest money and build plants off shore to delay or avoid paying taxes.
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Then repeal the dollar for dollar tax credit for foreign taxes paid. The U.S. taxpayer should not be subsidizing companies to move jobs to foreign countries.

this lib thinks Geithner and all his other non-tax paying cronies should go away and give us back our country.

Sure the wealthier are complaining…it is the first time anyone got after them for all their tax breaks and loopholes to get out of paying their fair share of the taxes. I know some people of wealth and they are the first to look for ways to not pay taxes. It is about time that the less fortunate are getting someone who is trying to give them a break and the rich are unhappy.
Look at Madoff…look at what he got away with and still is. He and his wife should be in jail…I would be if I pulled the nonesense he did.

Actually the current destruction of wealth due to poor economic choices of a President not up to doing the job has shown how his polices are destructive to the economy and the country. As CITI goes to a DOLLAR a share and GM is going to bankruptcy whats OBAMA’s answer? More spending for healthcare? Try to do something else. Thats not only foolish its dangerous.
Call your congressman. Call your senators and ask them to change course NOW. They have destroyed enough wealth.
ENOUGH of the democratic WAR on prosperity as the DOW tanks even further. Obama and the democrats have
clocks cleaned.

Obama probably figures we’re headed for a depression either way, so why not just increase funding for all his tax-and-spend programs now. He can just blame it on “8 years of Bush”.

cowgirl – If he is successful (and he will be) in implementing his “cap and trade” plan it will amount to a tax increase on EVERYONE (including those below $250K), even with his $13/week withholding reduction. The promise is broken, just as I knew it would be.

“Bill” wrote suggesting that Pres. Obama subscribes to a “Robin Hood … economic theory” – presumably alluding to the “rob the rich and give to the poor” interpretation of that folk tale.
However, we must remember that the tale of Robin Hood is NOT about “robbing” the rich to benefit the poor: it is about resisting injustice and HIGH TREASON! Robin Hood represented loyalty to an absentee but compassionate and just king in the face of his treacherous, avaricious and exceptionally unjust brother-regent. The rich were not “robbed” because they were rich, but rather because their wealth had been obtained by unjust acts at the expense or “robbery” of the poor – to whom it was merely returned.
So if one is to use the example of Robin Hood to denigrate the proposes and methods of President Barack Obama and his tax plan, one must thereby also assert that those receiving more than $250K per year in personal income have unjustly benefited by the biased tax reductions of the prior administration or administrations – and thus that President Obama is merely seeking to restore what had been taken away by unjustly by deceit and treachery.
Given that the centerpiece of the Obama tax plan consists merely of allowing the Bush tax reductions which preferentially benefited the very wealthy to expire, it is hard to argue that he is NOT in fact a Robin Hood seeking to resist and to make restitution for thefts perpetrated by an unjust usurper regency consisting of the GOP and George W. Bush.

Your right Jordan. Obama is more like a Robbing Hoodwinker.

iman@ss: Tim? Is that you?

Let’s not be too concerned with what the Republicans say or what they think. After all, listening to them is what got us into this very mess to start with. I have complete and total faith in President OBAMA and his abilities to get this country moving in the right direction again. Please…no more Republican hot air.

What is the problem exactly, you want to live in America, take advantage of it’s cheapo labor,security and business climate but you want to do it for nothing? Yhe more you make the more you have to pay, how hard is that to understand? What really is amazing is how many poor white trash support the fat cats, I mean, for example, Limbaugh makes about 50 million a year yet he has an outstanding white trash power base,people who make next to nothing and apparently understand even less.It’s all about the jumping up and down and the chest thumping, what he says is basically gibberish.I hate to say it but he needs to be put out to pasture, maybe in Iraq, he seems top love that place.

Mr. Obama, words do matter!
If you were careful with words for your own benefit during the political campaign, there is no reason for your administration to continue the negative attacks on our economy. As you can see, it brings the stock markets down indiscriminately.
Enough is enough, Mr. President order your troops to be careful with the way they use ‘words’!!
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“What’s so controversial? If you benefit more from our system, you should be obliged to put more back in. It’s common sense. The only obstacle here is simple greed.”
I don’t get it … how do the rich benefit more from our system? But you’re right – it is simple greed: there’s a lot of people in this county that expect to get other people’s money without having to work for it.

“What is the problem exactly, you want to live in America, take advantage of it’s cheapo labor,security and business climate but you want to do it for nothing? Yhe more you make the more you have to pay, how hard is that to understand? What really is amazing is how many poor white trash support the fat cats, I mean, for example, Limbaugh makes about 50 million a year yet he has an outstanding white trash power base,people who make next to nothing and apparently understand even less. It’s all about the jumping up and down and the chest thumping, what he says is basically gibberish.I hate to say it but he needs to be put out to pasture, maybe in Iraq, he seems top love that place.”
So that would apply to American’s worship of actors/actresses and sports heroes? The day that Dale Earnhardt died, a Marine helicopter crashed during a training mission and 8 Marines died serving the people of this country. They received a 1 paragraph blurb on page 8 of my newspaper.
The cover on the same paper, and a special section, was devoted to Earnhardt – who was worth well over $300 million on the day he died doing what he loved to do (please, argue with me that poor white trash don’t support NASCAR like a religion!).
The priorities and loyalties of a great many Americans – both Democrat and Republican – are greatly misplaced. I’d argue that the same can be said of most Democrat’s loyalty to Obama.

“America Must Pull out of NAFTA and WTO to SURVIVE”
I worked as an Industrial Engineer for 30 years for Rockwell International.
That is exactly what I did my whole life. I worked for 30 years evaluates labor cost for Rockwell International.
So trust me, I know when someone is getting screwed when it comes to labor cost.
This has been coming on since the very minute America joined NAFTA and the WTO. America has been losing money and jobs to the whole world. Every year and it has grown to a humongous amount in the last few years.
I have always said, things will just keep getting worse then at some point America will go into a total Collapse.
If you think you have money or a good job and will not be affected. I have news for you. Everyone will feel much pain before this is completely over.
Just imagine the Federal Government not having enough money to pay the Social security pensioners or their Medical Benefits or anything else. This is exactly where America is heading, so bucket your seat belt because we are in for a very, very bumpy ride.
My older bother who serviced in the Army in Europe during World War II, He said in Germany the money was so worthless that they had to take a wheel barrel full of money to the store to purchase a loaf of bread.
America is in a cross roads either we Pull Out of NAFTA and the WTO and solve our jobs problem or America will just keep going down, down till America goes into a total collapse.
What the President and Congress are doing is total insanity. This will be the third or forth bailout by congress and he promises us there will be more bailouts to follow.
What you are seeing right now is the planned destruction of America by President Obama and all his elite globalist cabinet members in order to usher in the “ONE WORLD ORDER”. Then we can kiss all of our freedoms good-bye.
Please tell me. Is there no end in sight?
America doesn’t need another bailout. America needs all those jobs that the Politicians have been sending off shore to Mexico, India and China for the last 15 years.
Then the American workers can pay their house payments and feed their family and things will start to improve over night.
This is a NO BRAINIER.
Pull out of NAFTA and the WTO. The International Trade Balances for year 2006.
YOU FIGURE IT OUT: The Hell with borrowing Trillions of Dollars from China.
If America just stopped EXPORTING anything in 2006 we would have lost $1,440 Billion Dollars in Jobs.
If America just stopped IMPORTING anything in 2006 we would have gained $2,200 Billion Dollars in Jobs.
That would be a Net Total Increase of $ 760 Billion Dollars of new Jobs created every year in America.
That would be a net decease in the National Debt every year.
But, all these Politicians are all Globalist and will not give up until America is totally destroyed. This is very, very sad because all is needed is USA PULL out of NAFTA and the WTO and watch the jobs increase. In facts this will create more jobs in America than we can fill.
They would rather Spent Billions of Dollars on trying to under write their Globalist Policies and keep borrowing money from China.
You want creating NEW JOBS in AMERICA?
“STOP Obama and his Globalist buddies from SENDING AMERICAN JOBS Off Shore TO CHINA”.
The American Politicians just don’t get it yet, but the next election we’ll get them.
They can print and throw all the money at this problem they want. Things will get a little better for a while and then we will slide back again into a recess or maybe a depression. Then we will need another bailout.
This is like: do you teach someone to fish or do you keep purchasing the fish for him, with borrowed bailout money from China?
Wait one minute. How did China get so much money and America get so poor?
a. America started giving China all the high paying manufacturing jobs when America joined the WTO.
b. China uses these manufacturing jobs to produce manufactured goods.
c. America then borrows money from China to buy all of these manufactured goods produced in China.
d. Then America starts into a Depression because all the high paying JOBS was send off to China and the Politicians tell us; “What we need now is more new JOBS” so they Borrow Trillions of more Dollars more from China to pay for all those Imports from China.
e. The only thing the American Politicians have created in the last 15 years is the largest NATIONAL DEBIT in History for our Children and Grand-Children to pay off by flipping hamburgers at McDonalds.
American Politicians can not keep sending all of those good paying jobs off shore to China and expect the American workers to work checkout at wal-mart or flip hamburgers at Macdonald’s for minimum wages.
The America Politicians have already given our entire Manufacturing Base to China.
Do you want know what they call a country that has no manufacturing base? That’s the definition of a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!!
The American Politicians are going to keep screwing the America workers until they lose everything and that’s exactly where we are headed. If that happens, I would not want to be a politician in either party.
Then at some point things may get damn nasty in Washington, D.C.
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“America Must Pull out of NAFTA and WTO to SURVIVE”
I worked as an Industrial Engineer for 30 years for Rockwell International.
That is exactly what I did my whole life. I worked for 30 years evaluates labor cost for Rockwell International.
So trust me, I know when someone is getting screwed when it comes to labor cost.
This is a NO BRAINIER.
Pull out of NAFTA and the WTO. Here are the International Trade Balances for the year 2006.
YOU FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.
If America just stopped Exporting everything in 2006 we
would have lost $ 1,440 Billion Dollars in Jobs.
If America just stopped Importing everything in 2006 we
would have gained $ 2,200 Billion Dollars in Jobs.
That would be a Net Total Increase of $ 760 Billion Dollars of new Jobs created every year in America. This would cost America absolutely not one red penny.
That is assuming America did not export one penny worth of goods during 2006.
The best way to creating NEWS JOBS in AMERICA:
“STOP GIVING AMERICAN JOBS TO CHINA”.
They can print and throw all the money at this problem they want. Things will get a little better for a while and then we will slide back again into a recess or maybe a depression. Then we will need another bailout.
This is like: do you teach someone to fish or do you keep purchasing the fish for him, with borrowed bailout money from China?
Wait one minute. How did China get so much money and America get so poor?
a. America started giving China all the high paying manufacturing jobs when America joined the WTO.
b. China uses these manufacturing jobs to produce manufactured goods.
c. America then borrows money from China to buy all of these manufactured goods produced in China.
d. Then America starts into a Depression because all the high paying JOBS was send off to China and the Politicians tell us; “What we need now is more new JOBS” so they Borrow Trillions of more Dollars more from China to spend to create more new JOBS.
e. The only thing the American Politicians have created in the last 15 years is humungous NATIONAL DEBIT, the largest in History for our Children and Grand-Children to pay off by flipping hamburgers at McDonalds.
American Politicians can not keep sending all of those good paying jobs off shore to China and expect the American workers to work checkout at wal-mart or flip hamburgers at Macdonald’s for minimum wages.
The America Politicians have already given our entire Manufacturing Base to China.
Do you want know what they call a country that has no manufacturing base and has lost control of the national currency? That’s the definition of a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!!

“America Must Pull out of NAFTA and WTO to SURVIVE”
I worked as an Industrial Engineer for 30 years for Rockwell International.
That is exactly what I did my whole life. I worked for 30 years evaluates labor cost for Rockwell International.
So trust me, I know when someone is getting screwed when it comes to labor cost.
This has been coming on since the very minute America joined NAFTA and the WTO. America has been losing money and jobs to the whole world. Every year and it has grown to a humongous amount in the last few years.
I have always said, things will just keep getting worse then at some point America will go into a total Collapse.
If you think you have money or a good job and will not be affected. I have news for you. Everyone will feel much pain before this is completely over.
Just imagine the Federal Government not having enough money to pay the Social security pensioners or their Medical Benefits or anything else. This is exactly where America is heading, so bucket your seat belt because we are in for a very, very bumpy ride.
My older bother who serviced in the Army in Europe during World War II, He said in Germany the money was so worthless that they had to take a wheel barrel full of money to the store to purchase a loaf of bread.
America is in a cross roads either we Pull Out of NAFTA and the WTO and solve our jobs problem or America will just keep going down, down till America goes into a total collapse.
What the President and Congress are doing is total insanity. This will be the third or forth bailout by congress and he promises us there will be more bailouts to follow.
What you are seeing right now is the planned destruction of America by President Obama and all his elite globalist cabinet members in order to usher in the “ONE WORLD ORDER”. Then we can kiss all of our freedoms good-bye.
Please tell me. Is there no end in sight?
America doesn’t need another bailout. America needs all those jobs that the Politicians have been sending off shore to Mexico, India and China for the last 15 years.
Then the American workers can pay their house payments and feed their family and things will start to improve over night.
This is a NO BRAINIER.
Pull out of NAFTA and the WTO. The International Trade Balances for year 2006.
YOU FIGURE IT OUT: The Hell with borrowing Trillions of Dollars from China.
If America just stopped EXPORTING anything in 2006 we would have lost $1,440 Billion Dollars in Jobs.
If America just stopped IMPORTING anything in 2006 we would have gained $2,200 Billion Dollars in Jobs.
That would be a Net Total Increase of $ 760 Billion Dollars of new Jobs created every year in America.
That would be a net decease in the National Debt every year.
But, all these Politicians are all Globalist and will not give up until America is totally destroyed. This is very, very sad because all is needed is USA PULL out of NAFTA and the WTO and watch the jobs increase. In facts this will create more jobs in America than we can fill.
They would rather Spent Billions of Dollars on trying to under write their Globalist Policies and keep borrowing money from China.
You want creating NEW JOBS in AMERICA?
“STOP Obama and his Globalist buddies from SENDING AMERICAN JOBS Off Shore TO CHINA”.
The American Politicians just don’t get it yet, but the next election we’ll get them.
They can print and throw all the money at this problem they want. Things will get a little better for a while and then we will slide back again into a recess or maybe a depression. Then we will need another bailout.
This is like: do you teach someone to fish or do you keep purchasing the fish for him, with borrowed bailout money from China?
Wait one minute. How did China get so much money and America get so poor?
a. America started giving China all the high paying manufacturing jobs when America joined the WTO.
b. China uses these manufacturing jobs to produce manufactured goods.
c. America then borrows money from China to buy all of these manufactured goods produced in China.
d. Then America starts into a Depression because all the high paying JOBS was send off to China and the Politicians tell us; “What we need now is more new JOBS” so they Borrow Trillions of more Dollars more from China to pay for all those Imports from China.
e. The only thing the American Politicians have created in the last 15 years is the largest NATIONAL DEBIT in History for our Children and Grand-Children to pay off by flipping hamburgers at McDonalds.
American Politicians can not keep sending all of those good paying jobs off shore to China and expect the American workers to work checkout at wal-mart or flip hamburgers at Macdonald’s for minimum wages.
The America Politicians have already given our entire Manufacturing Base to China.
Do you want know what they call a country that has no manufacturing base? That’s the definition of a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!!
The American Politicians are going to keep screwing the America workers until they lose everything and that’s exactly where we are headed. If that happens, I would not want to be a politician in either party.
Then at some point things may get damn nasty in Washington, D.C.
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“America Must Pull out of NAFTA and WTO to SURVIVE”
I worked as an Industrial Engineer for 30 years for Rockwell International.
That is exactly what I did my whole life. I worked for 30 years evaluates labor cost for Rockwell International.
So trust me, I know when someone is getting screwed when it comes to labor cost.
This is a NO BRAINIER.
Pull out of NAFTA and the WTO. Here are the International Trade Balances for the year 2006.
YOU FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.
If America just stopped Exporting everything in 2006 we
would have lost $ 1,440 Billion Dollars in Jobs.
If America just stopped Importing everything in 2006 we
would have gained $ 2,200 Billion Dollars in Jobs.
That would be a Net Total Increase of $ 760 Billion Dollars of new Jobs created every year in America. This would cost America absolutely not one red penny.
That is assuming America did not export one penny worth of goods during 2006.
The best way to creating NEWS JOBS in AMERICA:
“STOP GIVING AMERICAN JOBS TO CHINA”.
They can print and throw all the money at this problem they want. Things will get a little better for a while and then we will slide back again into a recess or maybe a depression. Then we will need another bailout.
This is like: do you teach someone to fish or do you keep purchasing the fish for him, with borrowed bailout money from China?
Wait one minute. How did China get so much money and America get so poor?
a. America started giving China all the high paying manufacturing jobs when America joined the WTO.
b. China uses these manufacturing jobs to produce manufactured goods.
c. America then borrows money from China to buy all of these manufactured goods produced in China.
d. Then America starts into a Depression because all the high paying JOBS was send off to China and the Politicians tell us; “What we need now is more new JOBS” so they Borrow Trillions of more Dollars more from China to spend to create more new JOBS.
e. The only thing the American Politicians have created in the last 15 years is humungous NATIONAL DEBIT, the largest in History for our Children and Grand-Children to pay off by flipping hamburgers at McDonalds.
American Politicians can not keep sending all of those good paying jobs off shore to China and expect the American workers to work checkout at wal-mart or flip hamburgers at Macdonald’s for minimum wages.
The America Politicians have already given our entire Manufacturing Base to China.
Do you want know what they call a country that has no manufacturing base and has lost control of the national currency? That’s the definition of a THIRD WORLD COUNTRY!!!