Ken Starr Receives Lewinsky-Era Dig

“investigation of President Bill Clinton led to Clinton’s impeachment.”
Right there in black and white liberals.
Liberals live in the land of make believe. They think that Clinton was never impeached. I’m glad this reminder is brought up to rub their noses in it, their mess on the floor or desk, if you will.

Ken Starr? I thought he was disbarred. Surely his extreme right wing zeal in nailing Bill Clinton to the cross was an ethical violation of SOME sort…even in an industry where ethics is very fluid.

Impeachment is only a legal statement of charges, parallel to an indictment, not a “conviction”.
It would seem that you Tray, your neo-con self is living in a “land of make believe”.

Bill Clinton lies about having relationsh with Monica Lewinsky and gets impeached. George W. Bush lies about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Saddam Hussein’s attempts to acquire “yellocake” from Niger, a connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda, and the progress of the war (the latter repeatedly) and gets nothing. Go figure.
Welcome to the world of the right wing, where personal accountability is preached but never applied to anyone with (R) after their name.

Tray, you’re trying to use “el-Rushbo’s” tactic. That is, set up a strawman so that you can knock it down easily: “They think that Clinton was never impeached.”
Which liberal(s) are you referring to as “they”? Where do you get that? Very smart you are to argue with a strawman!

Tray, anyone, conservative or liberal, who reads a history book or has been alive more than 10 years is fully aware of the fact that Bill Clinton was impeached–the more important fact you neglect to mention is that he WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY by the US Senate, in accordance to how the Constitution is supposed to work. Impeachment is similar to the term indictment in the legal world–indicted does not mean ‘guilty;’ that is determined at trial by the jury (in government, the Senate); so yes, everyone agrees he was impeached/indicted/accused, but at trial he was found not guilty and therefore could not be removed from office. Brings us right back to the concept that many thought the original indictment/impeachment was nothing more than a political hatchet job, and clearly, the US Senate agreed.
It’s extremely old news anyhow, and has zero relevance to all the economic misery this world is facing now, as opposed to the boom times back then

Pepperdine U must have been “hard up” to get a “legal” mind for their Law school. I noticed on Pepperdine’s web site that they soon will have Bolton and Supreme Scalia (torture o.k. for this christian) pontificating at the college; they could change the name of the University to “Pontifical College”. Why is it that “christian’s” believe that it is their “god” given right to force upon all of America what they believe in the form of man’s “law”?

I would like Mr. Starr, a law school Dean to tell us where in the Constitution it says that equality before the law is provided to every citizen except those that are gay. Now if he would like everyone to have civil unions (to provide equality) and then have those that want to be “married” go to a church and be “married” then I think he might be able to fit that into some code. Until such time the law of this nation does not make exceptions based on sex, skin color, marital status – but of course we can marginalize gay men and women and why not return to 4/5′s or ban women from voting since Mr. Starr wants to make limitations for equality before the law – we have come a long way, but we can turn back the clock too. Why not? Why if the Mormon church wants to and ponys up enough money, we can say that only blue-eyed boys should be able to enter into marriage with blue-eyed girls since we need to keep marriage between a man and a woman as “pure” as we can make it. Why stop there? Christians should only be able to be “married” to Christians. Marriage is between a man and a woman they say – well I have a perfect recipe for the marriage of cinnamon and nutmeg for my apple pie and unless cinnamon is a male and nutmeg is a female I can’t call it marriage. Bull crappy people. This has gone far enough. Get the preachers out of politics and politicians out of the pulpit and law school “Deans” (word used very loosely) focused on human rights and not on who paid for the drinks last night.

Wow he’s aged!

Technically, Clinton was impeached by the House. The Senate would not confirm.

Bill Clinton has some fun with a young girl and the PUKES go crazy. They like they sex in the men’s room with Larry Craig… TAP, TAP, TAP

Ken Starr of “Star Chamber” fame speaks again keme sabe. He once responded to one of my questions at his speaking engagement that the United States should not recognize foreign law, without any qualifications to that statement. When I reminded him that the US Constitution was not written in a vacuum and depended upon pre existing English Common Law, that loose lipped “prude” stiched his lip. Unfortunately, he is Dean of Pepperdine University, one of the major sponsors and spokepeople for Proposition 8. Deans should keep their politics to themselves or Socrates would turn over in his grave.
Martin S. Friedlander, Esq.

Get a grip you right wing freaks. There are far more important things going on in the world right now than obsessing about about ‘gay marriage’. What is it about you all? Must you always put others down to feel good about yourself? I don’t wave my bible in your face, don’t wave yours in mine.

Tray you’re an idiot. Go back to the cafeteria and hold some food plates. Everyone knows Clinton was impeached. I have never, ever heard anyone say he was not. He was not, however, convicted by the Senate and therefore was not removed from office.

Joe said, ” Everyone knows Clinton was impeached. I have never, ever heard anyone say he was not.”
Quite actually, you are incorrect. He was approved for impeachment by the house, but the Senate rejected the impeachment and he was therefore not “formally” impeached. However, this does not matter if you are a right-wing conservative, because that requires you to hate Bill Clinton no matter what.

Get a grip you right-wing freaks. Must you put others down to justify your own existence? Are your lives so shallow that your only joy stems from keeping others from enjoying theirs? Look in the mirror you bible waving jerks and decide what it is in your world that is missing. Love is love. Get a grip and stop waving your bible in my face. I don’t wave mine in yours…

Ken Starr has a lot of nerve after allegedly having an affair with Jane Hunt Hardin. Hypocritical repubs make me sick.

Funny isn’t it? How the conservatives worked so hard to discredit a SUCCESSFUL president (as they are also trying to do today) to the detriment of the country and how they supported a not only ineffectual president but a HARMFUL one. Maybe that’s why their party is doing the swirly in the toilet and trying to drag the whole of America down with them.

Clinton lied about getting a BJ from a fat girl… he was impeached by the jealous.
What a serious waste of taxpayer money.

Guess wrote:
“I will take an educated guess and say that Ken Starr has probably had sex with a man. I don’t know, maybe he hasn’t. But only someone with a lot of guilt would go to this extreme to punish others for what he perceives as his own wrong.”
Actually, I think it’s quite probable that he’s same-sex oriented but in such deep denial that he’s never acted on it. It’s always the closeted ones that are the most evil and do the most damage.

Tray,
What are you a dope? You got schooled. Are you gay?

Yeah Tray you right about Clinton being impeached but not removed as President. It makes you wonder how Clinton was impeached for his tryst with Monica and Bush wasn’t when Bush and Cheney screwed the entire country that’s why the Repiglican Party has become a minority party.

I will forever hate Kenneth Starr for wasting millions of taxpayer dollars to try to bring down Bill Clinton. After all this waste, the best he could could get was catching Bill lie about sex. Totally disgusted with Starr. I hope he lives his life in utter disdain from the public. He deserves it!

It seems a bit strange that following the fiasco with his persecution of the Clinton, and the waste of taxpayer money, that Starr would become a Dean at a Law School.
I am curious about what type of academic qualifications this experience gave him…
I guess that Pepperdine is a private school though…

CA has voted against same sex marriages and yet liberals cannot listen to the will of the majority.

Jen, Ken Starr was never disbarred. However, Bill Clinton was disbarred. He lied under oathe!! And you left wing morons couldn’t get into Junior College let alone Pepperdine.

If this string of raving drooling lunatics ranting about “Bush lies” proves anything, it proves that they were too too hasty in delisting homosexuality as a psychiatric disorder.
The fact that we are actually discussing whether two men can marry each other shows just how low this country has fallen…and no, I’m not the least bit religious.

you cannot put civil rights up for a vote stupid.
if you could, blacks wouldn’t have ANY rights in the south.
and there would be NO interracial marriages.
get an education.

Many of us are sick of most of you on the far right and left. The right has already had its chance to skrew things up. Seriously, not every single thing that happens in America can be divided down the line — it’s so sophomoric and silly. Its sad that even a family dealing with a right to die issue becomes the cause celbre for any party (Shiavos). I don’t care if we all get along or not — that’s just as silly, but it will tear the fabric (or what’s left) of America apart if you continue to frame our politics in just that way.

Tray—yeah Clinton was impeached and acquitted.

One thing I have never heard anyone mention is what all Americans lost because of Ken Starr. Before his witch hunt over a BJ you could talk to your mother or father honestly and not have that brought into a court of law. He got that changed by the Supreme Court. We lost the ability to talk to our parents, or parents to children with the same privacy as your attorney. Now you cannot talk to the people whom you should be able to talk openly and honestly about anything and not worry. Remember Monica L. was not on trial, but her mother was threatened by Ken Starr if her mother did not testify to what Monica told her. And what did we get for the price we paid? Not a damn thing. What a loss for all Americans.

Prop 8 is not a law.. its a constitutional amendment.. comprende? sooooo its part of the constitution.. and all gays can get get married.. just not to the same sex.. its really not hard to understand… dont be a hater.. i will agree clinton passed welfare reform and a few other things but was the beneficiary of the dot com bubble… obama makes clinton look like hitler…

smartguy—believe me, sir, the people who are affected by proposition 8 know very well what not having constitutional rights means. it is extremely disingenuous to compare civil rights with being or not being in a political party majority. republicans are not having their constitutional rights violated by being in the minority. quite the opposite, they have every right. it’s easy to spout off about how worthless other peoples’ rights are when you have them all.

I must say the anti-prop8 folks are going to be very dissapointed as the justices are sounding like they wont overturn this. I can only say if they do watch the lawsuits start against any religious org and fertility doctors as this is not about marriage this is about shoving the gay lifestyle down everyones throat which makes anti-prop8 supporters hypocrites plain and simple.

I say we take the right of straight people who support Prop. 8, whether religious or not, to procreate as their seed would be filled with the same vile contempt they have. If they do have children I sincerely hope at least one of them turns out gay so they know what it is to have someone you care about be treated with contempt. Kevin, your post is useless, most psychologists I know (as friends dipsh_t) were against Prop.

Ken Starr? I thought he was disbarred. Surely his extreme right wing zeal in nailing Bill Clinton to the cross was an ethical violation of SOME sort…even in an industry where ethics is very fluid.
Posted by: Brad McLaughlin
Only in the land of Obamites.

Tray
Nixon a crook, Bush & Cheney a liar and friend of Bin Laden family – thats why Bin Laden never got caught; flew Osma’s family to Saudi Arabia instead of Gitmo so they don’t get interrogated; now Rush a drug addict and another liar who is the leader of your party.
No wonder you guys lost in a landlside to Obama, compared to Bush’s non victory in 2000 and barely scraping in 2004.

………..And here he is again, 74 million dollars later.
This is a perfect example of why Obama must investigate & prosecute any and all criminals of the bush administration.
If you don’t – years later, they’ll rise back up from the cesspool and hurt you at your weakest moment.

As a gay man in America, I can only say this: I do not now, nor have I ever, believed that marriage should be anything other than between a man and a women.
I do, however, believe that gay Americans who wish to enter into legal civil partnerships should be afforded the same basic rights and privileges that heterosexual couples receive.
It’s quite simple: equal protection under the law. Our Constitution guarantees it, yet we are denied this fundamental right due to senseless prejudice by those on the evangelical right.
I pray these justices agree that EVERY American deserves the same protections and overturn this absurd proposition.

This issue was not that he had sex. But that he lied to congress about it. In addition it shows profundly poor judgment. He basically gave to Monica the power to extort the president of the United States.

David Wright….”Yeah that Ken Starr”
paragon of non biased reportage. May
your 401K nest-egg shrivel as your
lib-slant becomes tumescent. You and
yours deserve what you voted for.

Aren’t Republicans always blubbering about freedom, individual rights and the horrors of government interference? If so, why are they so determined to interfere with what goes on in the bedroom?

>> Brad wrote: Ken Starr? I thought he was disbarred. Surely his extreme right wing zeal in nailing Bill Clinton to the cross was an ethical violation of SOME sort…even in an industry where ethics is very fluid.
First of all, fit was Clinton who was facing complete disbarment for ethical violations, but in the end they only took away his law license for a 5 year term.
As for “nailing Clinton to the cross for an ethical violation” — how totally IRONIC. What I mean is, how ironic that you would use a phrase like “nailing him to the cross” (a Biblical image) when in fact it WAS a Bible that Clinton not once, but twice put his hand upon (on his two Inauguration Days) where he swore to uphold the laws of the land as President, swearing he would do so “So help me God.”
And yet when he put his hand upon a Bible for a THIRD time (to give his Lewinsky Grand Jury testimony) and once again swore “to tell the truth, so help me God”, he then proceeded to lie his butt off.
So, using the phrase “nailing him to a cross” in order to summon up the Biblical image of Jesus and to then compare that to someone who lied at every turn AND committed adultery (yet another sin) makes your protestations both ironic and funny. Not to mention non-nonsensical since, as time and history has proven, Clinton WAS ultimately shown to be guilty of the impeachment crimes he was charged with.

MBell_TX,
Bible, Bible, Bible–what’s a collection of 2,000-year-old myths, fairy tales and silly stories got to do with anything?

Amazing that people do not understand that President Clinton was only charged and never convicted so his impeachment was never supported in his trial. Few people on the Republican side ever admit it but Clinton was never convicted of the charge. It always amazes me that Rush Limbaugh is so highly regarded by right wing Republicans. He in fact was never charged but he repeatedly had relations with women to whom he was not married and one of these episodes happened when he was married and he strayed with the use of a bit of Illicitly obtained Viagra. Rush is a gutter snipe and yet Republicans love to wallow in his reputation no matter his disgusting his morals. A bunch of hypocrisy among the vaunted Republican hierarchy. The guy never practices what he preaches, not in the least.

Starr is the reason I avoided Pepperdine Law School.

Ikinopfl. God already spoke, he burned 2 ancient cities to complete ashes. Not to mention how gays argue the fact that marriage between the opposite sex have a high divorce rate. Then if that’s the case, why in the H#LL are you wanting to get married when its all mute point in that argument? Not to mention, Evolution doesn’t support same sex in species, there was 4 billion years of that to make it work, uh, I guess it didn’t so it looks like you still need a Male and Female to propagate. Survival of the fittest, right?!

This majority rule thing could really catch on!
Let’s see…oh here are some good ones:
The majority could rule that handicapped parking spaces and ramps be placed away from entrances, my god I would love to have a chance to park near a store for once.
Lets take voting rights away from Republicans! They are a minority party now and pretty damn disgusting too.
The majority could pass a constitional amendment that only those households earning over $100,000 annualy pay taxes with 100% of all income over $100,000 going to taxes.
Ban the Mormon Church! While were at it let’s ban Southern Baptists too! There both kinda freaky religions outside the mainstream.
Who needs equality! as Ken Starr said today “Majorities have a right to use their will even if unwisely”!

Bill Clinton will be remembered as a great President railroaded by a continuous assault on his presidency by a hateful and vengeful Neo-Conservative pack of wolves that were distraught over their loss in the 1992 election. George Bush on the other hand will be remembered as one of if not THE worst President that was ever elected. Bill Clinton is loved around the world where in contrast the leader of the Neo-Con Pack for the last eight years is vehemently disliked.

The “Right Wing” does not care about reason or accountability; all they want is power without accountability or reponsibility, and they will lie, lie, lie to get it. The moneyed interests run the media, so the truth will never be heard; but people like Rush Limbaugh with shite for brains get extended interviews on TV and radio, and nary one journalist to explain that Rush is full of it.
The people who have been running things behind the scenes for fifty years are about to be outed for having tried to overthrow what’s left of our democracy, and they will do anything to stay in power, including murder. They murdered John Kennedy, Martin Luther King Jr., Robert Kennedy, Paul Wellstone, and most recently, probably Beverly Eckhart in the Buffalo crash. They murdered (more than) 2,987 Americans in the 9/11 HOAX. Then they murdered 4,250 Americans and in excess of 855,000 Iraqis in an ILLEGAL WAR. Our boys and girls are still coming back in bodybags labeled “useless death” and our vets will develop insane cancers based on all the Depleted Uranium dust they breathed while over there – wait and see.
This will never stop until we MAKE THE MEDIA TELL THE TRUTH. If that requires a militant take-no-more-lying-nonsense attitude, then so be it.

I don’t think there are useful labels for people on the “left” because most of those people think for themselves and so have opinions that vary from person to person.
The useful labels for people on the “right” would be “mentally ill” (desperately seeking personal power over others to make up for an authoritarian parent), “stupid” (not understanding why 50% plus one person cannot redefine reality as they choose), “hateful” (bothering their life to deprive others of something they can’t measure), and “wretched” (refusing anything that smacks of learning, intelligence, or reason.)
Their attitude is that they are correct in what they say because they said it. And they believe that, too. Trying to reason with such people is a waste of time; their sicknesses have been acquired over years and incorporated into their personalities, apart from which the chances that they are on the low end of the IQ scale are very good.
The Right obviously loves stupid people, it tries to create so many of them.

RE: Inequality
Just about everyone here is in agreement that inequality is bad. What we fail to realize is that our everyday life is made possible by that very thing–Inequality.
Inequality in income, social status, and position of authority all have far more pervasive effect on society and the way we live than the definition of marriage, which affects a tiny fraction of the population. But the majority shouldn’t suppress the minority! Right? But isn’t that better than the minority suppressing the majority, which is the case in most non-democratic countries?
Inequality, ladies and gentlemen, is with us and it’s here to stay. So you better learn to live with it, because you sure as hell can’t live without it. The food you eat and clothes you wear are merely products of inequality. The poor majority (>5 Billion people) toil day and night to ensure the comfort of the affluent minority (<1 billion people).
You might say this: "We were talking about US GOVERNMENT-BACKED INEQUALITY!!!"
Fair enough. Let me address that:
In America, you have the right to distribute pornographic images of a consenting girl who is 18 years and 1 day old. But God forbid you EVER distribute images of a consenting girl who is 17 years and 364 days old (that same girl 2 days earlier), because that would be child pornography! (OMG!!!) In this case, a 2-day difference in age results in UNEQUAL treatment under the law. Why?
Take Alcohol, as another example of inequality under the law. Why should a 20-year old be prevented from drinking alcohol, when that same person TWO YEARS EARLIER could go to War, vote for president, smoke cigarettes, and work as a stripper. But we all know that there's NOTHING MORE HARMFUL to a 20-year old college student than enjoining a beer during Sunday Night Football. (Please feel free to LOL) If, however, that same person turned 21, there would instantly be no HARM AT ALL! WIPEEE! Some might say that this is merely "Government protecting us from ourselves." Using that same logic, one would have to conclude that banning gay-marriage merely "protects gays from themselves." What a joke. The government doesn’t protect us, we protect the government. When’s the last time a US Senator got killed in Iraq? If you’re gay, however, you might not even be allowed to protect America.
These examples of government-backed inequality may be unimportant to you if you're not affected, the same way the right to gay-marriage may seem unimportant to someone who's not gay. But one day YOU will be subjected to inequality under the law and it WILL seem important to you by then.
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."
-Thomas Jefferson

Right Tray, we only impeach for receiving oral sex, not a war on false pretenses, outing of a CIA agent, no-bid contracts, Blackwater, trampling the Constitution, etc.

Tragically the so called modern society takes pride to intentionally compromise
Good morals just to please the collective mind of the morally bankrupt.
A few so called sick high society individuals click together
And have wild parties to poke fun and trash good social morals .
There is a golden standard all society should stand on
Based on good morals and not moral debauchery
The rusted iron standard that part of society clings to
Threatens to rapidly degrade the moral compass of traditional social values.
The golden standard of good morals must shine to dispel dark moral degradation
So that nominated judges with moral fibre and backbone may take a stand
And like brave soldiers of justice do not cower down alone to yield to a wayward crowd
And with face like flint refuse to bend legislation from the bench and uphold the law.

@Tray:
Only the liberals who don’t know the meaning of the term ‘impeached’.
The word is so closely associated to political figures like Nixon and Blagoyovich (sp?) who resign or are removed from office, that the uneducated American (liberal or conservative) thinks it means ‘removed from office’.

Ken Starr was attacked by the Democrats of course but worse than that he was attacked by America’s liberal fascist NAZI-like press, wrongly.
In order to CHANGE America we will have to change the relationship that currently exists between the Democrat Party and the liberal MSM wolfpack press that acts as their unofficial official propaganda arm..
I reference the whole Rush Limbaugh propaganda campaign, started by Obama himself as reference……..

Ken Starr is a smut peddler. Anyone read his $40 million report on Clinton and Lewinsky’s affair? It was disgusting, especially that someone spent their time obsessed by it.

Tray, you’re an idiot. Everyone from liberals to conservatives know that Clinton was impeached… impeachment is a proceeding. He wasn’t found guilty of anything… you’re confusing the issue.

Fact is–Richard Melon Scaiff–the president of Pepperdine U–was the money behind Paula big nose–and the two face lifted Linda–so of course he’s be ever so happy to add Starr to his university staff–nothing but a bunch of right wing radicals go there–it’s dangerous to our democracy.

why is ken starr always involved in all things sexual?

Ken Porn Starr Report,
$60 million dollars wasted
No indictments
(456) references to sex (1) reference to Whitewater
Not one, BUT TWO, GOP House Leaders Resigning In Disgrace For Their Cheatin Hearts = PRICELESS!!

Ken Starr the bumbling idiot that spent 50 million to prove what “is” was…..a blow job!

Hey “Tray”, I’ll raise your Tom Delay-sponsored Clinton ‘impeachment’ with one decimated-economy, fake-war-waging, SOON TO BE IN PRISON Bush-Cheney truth commission, you ignorant puke.
See ya there, Rush.

I allways wondered how Starr made the leap from substance on Lewinsky’s dress to semem on Lewinsky’s dress. The DNA test was simply to see if the the substances were from the same person matched.
I got my answer when the test results document surfaced with “the substance was semen” scribbled on the margin of the test document.
I guess you could argue the test results were not altered, Starr would. But it points to the lengths the Starr investigation would go to to get Clinton. The note in the margins proves to me there was a concerted effort to prosecute Clinton. And I consider the alteration of the test document a felony but thats a non lawyer speaking.
Find out who altered the test document and you are on your way to getting the real picture of Clintons impeachment.

Also ironic that Ken Starr, supposedly educated, spent over 40 million dollars to find out what Hillary and the American people knew in ’91; Bill was a cheating husband.
Big whoop.
Where the accusations of fraud in the wasting of 40 million dollars of tax-payer money?

Soooo, if a state’s voters passes a law bringing back slavery for blacks – or not letting women hold certain jobs – or allowing 5 year olds to be put to work in factories – I guess that is ok according to the logic being used to defend Prop 8…

Tray writes:
“Right there in black and white liberals.
Liberals live in the land of make believe. They think that Clinton was never impeached. I’m glad this reminder is brought up to rub their noses in it, their mess on the floor or desk, if you will.”
Don’t get your knickers all in a twist… Impeached and acquitted.

Sheesh, its not a dig at Starr. Even liberal lawyers groaned when Clinton said that one. It was immediately ludicrous.
Lawyers love to play with words, to make clever connections, etc. that was all the judge was doing. The Cali SC is pretty bad, but not THAT bad, to be that unprofessional.
That’s why Starr smiled. He thought it was funny.

Hmmm… what that white stain on his suit?…

****…Actually, in a recent non-partisan survey of nearly 100 Presidential historians, ranking ALL the presidents since George Washington, both Clinton and Bush placed middle-to-low of the pack. Their rankings weren’t separated by all that much. So sorry, even by historian standards, Clinton isn’t viewed as being THAT great. In fact, he barely came out on top of Bush. On the other hand, Reagan came in among the top 5 of ALL TIME. Go, Ronnie!
Posted by: Alex | Mar 6, 2009 7:56:04 AM
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Hmm…Let’s see….what does Wikipedia say???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents#Popular_opinion
According to the most recent 2009 C-Span poll
Bill Clinton’s rank = 15th
George Bush’s rank = 36th
Ronald Regan’s rank = 10th
The Bush ranking is near the bottom according to this poll.

Past Caring: “Isn’t it ironic that the right always vilifies and punishes people for their human failings, but fails to punish and vilify people for failing humans.”
That was just soooo worth reposting! Well said!