Key Democrat Expresses Concerns About Obama Tax Proposal to Fund Health Care Reform
President Obama launches the White House forum on health care reform today, so we decided to talk to one of the key players — Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., chair of the Senate Finance Committee — for the ABC News Shuffle Podcast.
You can listen on iTunes or click HERE.
Baucus said he was "concerned" about President Obama’s proposal to help pay for health care reform by reducing the amount in itemized deductions (for mortgages of charity, for example) that those earning more than $250,000 a year can claim on their taxes.
"It’s an issue," Baucus said, "but there are lots of different ways to solve this one, there’s always a solution…you just have to look hard enough and carefully enough and creatively enough to find a solution and if not that tax provision, there may be some other."
The Obama administration has said it wants Congress to draft the bill, and the Montanan said the way he wants to approach it in committee would be more in keeping with the bipartisan reputation he and Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, the ranking Republican on the committee, have formed, rather than the way the stimulus package went through the Senate.
"No, no, stimulus has been different," Baucus admitted. "In fact at the end of the stimulus debate and after the vote, Sen. Grassley stood up and said ‘you know, this might have been a bit partisan, but the next big effort is health care reform and I don’t want that to be partisan, I want to work together,’ and he meant it and I deeply appreciate that … Stimulus had to go through very quickly, there was just not much time to do it for a lot of reasons, this is something that’s much more thoughtful and it’s going to take a lot more time working through it."
"We’re America, we are not Canada, we are not other countries, we are the United State of America," Baucus said. "It’s a country of innovation, of entrepreneurship, ‘Go west young man,’ so we have to have our uniquely American health care solution, it has to be both public and private. My goal is to keep that mix of public and private, that uniquely American result with which a lot of Americans, the vast majority of Americans are very comfortable."
The ABC News Shuffle Podcast was produced by Lindsey Ellerson. Again, you can listen on iTunes or click HERE.
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I trusted this guy with the economy and he is worse than a kid in a candy store.
I can’t believe the irresponsibility and lack of experience this guy has, and I fell for it.
To be fair, it isn’t this story that did it, it has been his inaction or wrong action since about week 3 that did it.
Now, I just want someone else in there..
Posted by: Kay from MN | March 5, 2009, 8:14 am 8:14 am
Maybe some sanity?
Posted by: Diana Clary | March 5, 2009, 8:14 am 8:14 am
The stimulus package had to be done quickly for what? The economy is still tanking and won’t get better for awhile. Why the hurry to pass that beast? Use your brain and I bet you can figure it out. Another thing, I wonder how long it will be before they merge the private and public insurance. This is just the first step. Pretty soon they’ll tell us they have to go to total public healthcare. Change we can believe in. NOT!!!!!!!
Posted by: notafan | March 5, 2009, 8:40 am 8:40 am
There’s a great article in BusinessWeek today from Ben Steverman called ‘Did Obama cause the Stocks to Slide’. Google it if interested. Worthy read. I’m pleased to see people waking up to this guys agenda. I want out country and it’s people to have success…I want O’s liberal agenda w/ Pelosi & Reed’s fingerprints all over it to fail miserably unless it is changed for the greater good of the people and the country. Everything I’m hearing right now sounds like it’s becoming a Ca. state reinvention and living in LA, I’ll tell you it stinks! Republican governor and Democratic House and everything in between! God bless America.
Posted by: Hope | March 5, 2009, 8:41 am 8:41 am
Did anyone think health care would be easy?
Posted by: matt | March 5, 2009, 8:50 am 8:50 am
To be clear, Baucus may express doubts now to show evenhanded disagreement. Then he will relent once the storm has passed.
Posted by: vinman | March 5, 2009, 9:01 am 9:01 am
It’s real easy. If the dow sinks because of this, scrap it.
Obama says that the dow is a poll. Well, if that’s the case Obama, you suck.
Posted by: Kate | March 5, 2009, 9:09 am 9:09 am
UK Times
“It was all going so well. The dresses, the brains, the Vogue cover shoot – everything so far about Michelle Obama has left us wide-mouthed in admiration. It seemed there was no end to her fabulousness. Then Mr and Mrs Brown came to stay.
Like all good guests, Sarah Brown arrived bearing gifts for the children, Malia and Sasha. And they were really nice presents. A bit of thought had clearly gone into choosing them: Top Shop dresses (with matching necklaces) and a selection of books by British authors. Lovely.
Mrs Brown may have two boys but she certainly knows the way to a little girl’s heart. These were gifts chosen in the true spirit of present-giving: to please the recipient, not the giver.
In return Mrs Obama gave the Brown children, Fraser and John, two toy models of Marine One, the Presidential helicopter. Fair enough on the helicopter part, always a popular choice with small boys; but Marine One? It’s not as though anyone needs reminding that Barack Obama is President or that he has his own helicopter. Short of giving the boys Action Man models of her own husband smiting the evil forces of neoconservatism, Mrs Obama’s gesture could not have been more solipsistic or more inherently dismissive of Mrs Brown.
Not only did she demonstrate that she spent approximately three seconds contemplating the needs of the Brown boys (having an aide pop to the White House gift shop for a piece of merchandising does not imply a great deal of thought), she appeared to show a most uncharacteristic lapse of judgment. “
Posted by: Peace Train | March 5, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
A dozen states have already sent cease and desist letters to the fed, demanding they stop trying to usurp the states powers…yet you hear nothing in the MSM…
Posted by: samhiguchi | March 5, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Kay, please tell us exactly what experience – besides campaigning and community organizing – you thought Obama had that qualified him to be President?
The results of what we’re seeing is exactly what those who opposed Obama tried to tell you. But we were branded as “racists” who were touting inexperience to coverup for the fact that our real problem with him was the color of his skin.
Obama’s marketers sure used the wedges of race, class, and partisanship to win the American Idol crown!
Posted by: marylou | March 5, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Mary Lou, you are asking for too much. Consider it a goldmine when an Obamabot admits to their folly.
Posted by: Peace Train | March 5, 2009, 9:41 am 9:41 am
Obama disses Brit PM
Rosslyn Smith–American Thinker
The press does not seem happy with the way President Obama treated Prime Minister Brown during his short visit to Washington, DC.
Dana Milbank of the Washington Post noted that
Somewhere in the British Embassy, a bronze bust of Churchill was turning in its storage crate.
British Prime ministers are just not treated this way by American presidents. They are personally greeted at the airport. THey are treated to state dinners or overnights at Camp David. Their private meetings are always followed by a long joint press conference in which members of each nation’s press get to question both heads of state at length. If Milbank is a bit sour, his British counterpart left scorch marks. Alex Massie of the Spectator wrote .
Obama is not on the campaign trail any longer but his press strategy does not seem to have switched to governing mode yet.
Posted by: Peace Train | March 5, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am
I think Obama thinks he is Robin Hood-steal from the rich to give to the poor. Most responsible people try to work for what they have and to save what they can for a rainy day. Obama & his fellow dems want to punish those of that ilk. They want the government to take care of them. They need to move to a socialist country and stand in line.
Posted by: virginia | March 5, 2009, 9:56 am 9:56 am
Baucus is right. The stimulus had to be done quickly, voted on before anyone read it, so that the public would not realize what a destructive nightmare it was. Let us not forget the Obama congressional budget office, hired by Nancy Pelosi, told us it would make the economy worse.
Does the economy look worse to you?
Making the economy worse was not a concern of Obama. Passing the social programs, giving handouts to ACORN, Unions, and every special interest, with payments to these people for the next decade, thereby securing return favors in elections was his priority.
Does anyone actually believe he cares that the stock market is plummeting (not gyrating) each time he announces a new plan or new a decision.
He will secure his radical agenda, economy be dam@ed, and then maybe he will worry about our lost retirement plans, our lost savings, our lost jobs.
Did you think there were jobs in the stimulus package? It will create a relatively small number of jobs over the next decade at a cost of over 300,000 per job. That is the slowest job growth of any non-depression president. Oh, did you think the money was to benefit the country? Fooled you , huh.
Do you enjoy being lectured that you should pay more taxes by tax cheats Tim Geithner, and Charlie Rangle.
Obama must be laughing his ### off at the public as he gets up and flat out lies about his concerns, earmarks, no lobbyists, most ethical, most transparent and so on.
Elections have consequences and we are going to suffer the consequences of this last one.
Posted by: BO Needs to Go | March 5, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Just remember that, Kay from MN. We Republicans didn’t like the candidate that we had, but we knew enough not to let a 3 year senator to be President. Sorry you guys that voted for him are probably be more disappointed than any other folks. You do know that he wasn’t anywhere near Washington D.C. in those 3 years he was a US Senator. He was making his way around the country convincing folks like you he was going to be your elected savior. Shame on you folks who voted for him and now know what he is. The worst thing for the folks that didn’t vote for him is we’re going to have go by his playbook and think how many of you folks are going to crying great big tears for the policies he will put into law.
Posted by: elainekramer | March 5, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am
You know it is so sad that now everyone is truly seeing Obamas agenda..it is not for the good of the people; but for the good of his radical party. He like all other politicians said only what people wanted to hear with no intentions of fulfilling those obligations. What frightens me the most…is if he continues with his radical spending he will bankrupt our country weaken our defenses and then if you read his books it states his loyalty will always be to his people and those people are not the people of the United States…look at the big picture! His plans are in motion!!!! If you’re not frightened you should be…Don’t give up any more of your rights and whatever you do continue to bear arms…..we may need them. Our forefathers must be rolling around in their graves everything they fought for and died for is being destroyed over night..GOD BLESS AMERICA
Posted by: Faith | March 5, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Will the stimulus help in the long term? Maybe, but that’s likely to come at the expense of deficit and inflation. We have been through several downturns before
so, maybe we should just accept that it’s part of the economic cycle
Posted by: Jeff | March 5, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
“Stimulus had to go through very quickly, there was just not much time to do it for a lot of reasons, this is something that’s much more thoughtful and it’s going to take a lot more time working through it.”
Really? I, for one, would be interested in hearing some of the reasons…Perhaps Speaker Pelosi needed to catch a flight to see the Pope in Rome at taxpayer expense? Obama certainly wasn’t in a hurry to sign it.
“We’re America, we are not Canada, we are not other countries, we are the United State of America,” Baucus said.”
No, but I’m pretty sure after Obama gets done “reforming” healthcare, we’ll look a lot more like Canada than we do now.
Posted by: tjp612 | March 5, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
samhiguchi—”A dozen states have already sent cease and desist letters.” i heard about this in the “MSM”, lol. also reported was the letter the governor of Texas sent to the president begging for the full package after all. could you list the other 23 governors who issued “cease and desist” (ROFLMAO—it’s a legal term, governors aren’t judges). you said dozens so i figured at least you meant at least 24 governors. almost all these governors have changed their minds. it’s just a chance, in Perry’s case (R-Texas) to do a little sophmoric grandstanding publicly (presidential hopes?) only to beg for the funds on the d-low.
Posted by: Paul Wall | March 5, 2009, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Obama is doing a great job – this is exactly why we voted him in – to fix the messes that the Republicans caused or were too craven and coomplacent to clean up when they had the chance.
Go Mr. Obama! We LOYAL & PATRITOIC Americans are behind you 100%!
Posted by: Slam Dunk | March 5, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Idiots! We already have a UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE system! The problem is that it is inefficient and expensive. Because of court rulings, statutes, and public conscience ANYONE, even illegal aliens and criminals, gets free healthcare by going to the ER or going to prison.
What we need to fix is making the system more efficient, logical, and less expensive. This needs to include universal coverage for preventative/routine healthcare, tort reform, billing countries for illegal immigrant health care costs, and crackdown on fraud.
It shouldn’t include a global “Czar” with access to all of our personal health records. The new system should KEPP doctor-patient privledge and privacy- unlike Obama’s current proposals. Do we really want all our health, drug/alcohol use, sexual histories, mental/psychological history, DNA, etc held in a government database controlled by political appointees?!?
Posted by: Albert | March 5, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Concerns about health care? What about all of his other liberal, socialistic policies? Obama is the last thing that America needs. If only to prove as what not to be, Obama may have that purpose come 4 years time.
Posted by: Brent | March 5, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Why do Republicans continue to stand in the way of all progress? Do they really think that their campaign to blame Obama for the economic meltdown caused by Bush and the GOP is going to work? How stupid do they think we are? Frankly, it makes me even MORE enraged at the GOP – not only do they refuse to take responsibility for their failures, they insult all of our intelligence by trying to blame those failures on the guy who’s tasked with cleaning up the mess? Won’t these fools ever learn? I am so SICK of their stupid Republican CRAP!
Posted by: Andrew Wollesley | March 5, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Republicans are total scum. Obama should shut them out of the decision making process completely. They are worthless obstructionist clowns clinging to the same failed ideology that got us into this mess in the first place. America is sick of the GOP and their useless whining. Obama has the votes – he should shut out the GOP entirely and do what needs to be done to get the country back on track. The GOP will go the way of the Whigs very soon…
Posted by: Bartlett Rules | March 5, 2009, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Brent – if socialism is what it takes to fix capitalism, then I say bring it on.
Capitalism has done nothing good for me. It’s just another form of organized violence against the poor.
My whole life under capitalism has been one series of hard knocks after another – recession following recession like a roller coaster.
And for what? I used to be middle class, and under Bush I had to go on food stamps. And nobody cares about anybody else anymore. It’s just greed, greed, greed and status and more, more, more.
Well I’m done with all that. I don’t believe in capitalism or the free market anymore. They’re both just a scam for the rich to get richer and the rest of us to get screwed.
If socialism is the alternative, then fine, let’s try socialism for a while. Things can’t get any worse here at the bottom.
Posted by: Cyclos | March 5, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Melissa what a lady you are! Why are the Democrates so defensive? We Republicans are jsut stating facts like we see them. Obviously you voted for him so you can receive more freebies! Some people have to work and make a living and support those who don’t. The Democratic party has and always will be strong because they give away to those who won’t work in return for their votes. Wake up!
Posted by: Faith | March 5, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Cyclos – hahahaha I think the solution to the Republican problem can be summed up best by Colonel Kurtz in Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness”:
“Exterminate The Brutes”
LOL
Posted by: Bartlett Rules | March 5, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
The funny thing is that I was never even very political before the Bush years – I didn’t even vote during the ’90s. But now I am so angry at the GOP that I will make sure to vote against them every chance I get for the rest of my life!
Posted by: Cyclos | March 5, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Melissa – it’s true. Republicans are all zombies and Rush Limbaugh is their evil, undead zombie overlord. He’s fat from eating so much human flesh. Hahahhahaha!
Posted by: Cyclos | March 5, 2009, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
Okay Melissa… facts are… we will use the welfare system as an example….welfare was created to be used in times of Emergencies. Examples of that are layoffs, sickness, death, etc. It wasn’t meant as a way of living; yet everytime a Democratic President comes into office more freebies are handed out as payout for ones vote. I’m sorry dear but those are the facts. So quit standing in line and get a job like the rest of us. I’m tired of paying for all of those freebies!!!!!
Posted by: Faith | March 5, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
This article is silly – just trying to stir up controversy where there is none. Why is the MSM trying to undermine Obama? Is it just for ratings? I stand behind my President!
Posted by: Anne in Ohio | March 5, 2009, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Faith – your rhetoric is out of date. Don’t you remember that the welfare system was reformed in the ’90s to avoid just such abuses? Once again you confuse your nonsensical opinions with FACTS. This is why nobody takes you Republicans seriously anymore – all you have is a bunch of stupid, outdated rhetoric and no grasp of the current reality. God you people are predictable!
Posted by: Melissa R. | March 5, 2009, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
The only problem with this Senator wanting it to be bi-partisan is the fact that the majority of Republicans don’t want to reform health care. So how can you get any good ideas from them? They fought Hillary on it, they didn’t do anything about it when they had the presidency and control of the Congress for six years. I would like to say to this senator, stay in the reality of who you are dealing with. Most Republican politicians don’t want health care for all, they can’t see the terrible burden it puts on small businesses and don’t care that so many Americans, 46 million at last count, don’t have health insurance. They will simply try to water down the effectiveness or limit who gets it.
Posted by: Lydia | March 5, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Obama lied, the economy died.
Posted by: Gary | March 5, 2009, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Bayh Bayh Obama. Your zeal is even
gagging your faithful. What an arrogant
twit you are. Bare shoulders may help
at your next public “fireside chat”
in front of the teleprompters. Michelle’s shoulders are broader since
she’s been carrying your H2O for years.
Ask ol’ Rev Wright for divine guidance
……or don’t you remember who he is?
Posted by: Trajan | March 6, 2009, 12:03 am 12:03 am
Why is this surprising. Here is a bit about Baucus’s political record: Baucus is one of the more conservative members of his party, frequently breaking with the majority of Democrats on the issues like taxes, the environment, and gun politics. Max Baucus has voted in favor of big oil companies on 67% of important oil-related bills, according to Oil Change International. These bills include Iraq War funding, climate change studies, clean energy, and oil import reductions.______
Baucus voted in favor of the Bush Tax Cuts for the Wealthy and was at President Bush’s side as he signed it. He has fairly consistently voted against repealing the portions of that bill and more recent tax cut bills that benefit upper income taxpayers. __Baucus also took Abramoff PAC Money____On December 20, 2005 Baucus’ office announced that he was returning $18,892 in contributions that his office has found to be connected to indicted former lobbyist Jack Abramoff. (Source: Wikipedia)
Posted by: JL | March 6, 2009, 3:36 am 3:36 am
How can Baucus say the vast majority of Americans are very comfortable with the way our health care system is set up right now. They are? Last count I heard, a vast majority are NOT happy with it and want it fixed. I dont’ know what planet Senator Baucus comes from, but America is one of the only ‘advanced’ countries that STILL doesn’t have universal health care. We don’t need this ‘uniquely American’ system because it is the result of 30 years of Republicans STYMYING health care reform and as a result we pay more and get less than most other countries for our health care and our access to health care is wildly unequal, with the ‘have nots’ getting substandard coverage, if any at all, and the ‘haves’ able to afford cadillac treatment. Out of Baucus’s own mouth comes his admission that he wants to keep things as they are pretty much. Maybe we’re “not Canada” Max, but maybe we could learn something from Canada. They get much better coverage of their whole population and pay less for their care AND it’s a myth that their medical care is worse than that of the USA. It is better. Even with the wait times. At least they get care. How many million Americans at last count don’t even get medical care unless they go into bankruptcy and throw themselves onto the Emergency Room and run up bills they can never repay? And Baucus things this is a satisfactory “uniquely American’ system that is good enough? Doesn’t that tell you all you need to know about Baucus’s political leanings right there?
Posted by: JL | March 6, 2009, 3:48 am 3:48 am
Liberals need to pay up their taxes, they run states that have little or no income, sales or any other local taxes. No wonder their states fail FAIL to provide decent health care, schools and infrastructure. They need to quit looking to the fed and the states that PROVIDE for the people. Quit being so greedy liberals and start at your state levels. Why should a state that properly funds those basic services have to pay for the liberal states that allow its citizens to squander their money? Why should a state that actively has state programs have to accept citizens from another state that has caveman care? Why should states that provide the basic care then subsidize that basic care via a federal tax? The liberals want to have everyone else pay for their tax cut. Greed nothing but greed on the liberals part. Step up to the plate liberals and start paying up because that greed is making us a third world country.
Posted by: tirekicker | March 6, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
New York Times:
He [Obama] is extremely committed to entitlement reform and is plotting politically feasible ways to reduce Social Security as well as health spending. The White House folks didn’t say this, but I got the impression they’d be willing to raise taxes on the bottom 95 percent of earners as part of an overall package.
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This is David Brooks, who is frequently wrong, so take it for what it’s worth.
Posted by: mad | March 6, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am
there is no free lunch for middle America on this health care reform. According to peter Orszak, the budget director, about half of the fund will be from the revenue on the so called emission cap tax, this in turn means higher cost for electricity generation which is more than 70% from burning natural gas and coal, as well as cost of ground and air transportation using internal combustion engines or jet engines.
Posted by: austin | March 6, 2009, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm