Obama Administration Eliminates Term “Enemy Combatant”

Chock up another one for the liberals’ “wagyu-eating, thermostat-raising, teleprompter-reading, dvd-giving, non-stop-campaigning, terrorist-befriending, dictator-kissing, stuttering, leadership-impaired, history illiterate president on training wheels.” Since we’re making new definitions, there’s one for Obama.
(-hat tip to Anna, on Don Surber’s blog for that *perfect* definition of 0 )

CALL THEM OBAMA’S BFF’S

I am still laughing with JD’s submission. Perfectly worded I might add! I agree, as long as we are not calling them “neighbor” – call them whatever but keep them locked up, please!

Hey, are you jokers out there who voted for O getting tired of him yet?

My heart goes out to all those serving in our armed forces. I can’t imagine a worst feeling than to know you have been SOLD OUT by your Commander In Chief in favor of those you have died and bled for fighting.

Read the story Bob..nobody is forgiving anyone….just moving back to international standards for treatment of POWs so we can protect our own troops. Use your head.

“Hey, are you jokers out there who voted for O getting tired of him yet?”
Obama campaigned on doing this like this.
His approval ratings are currently in the high 50′s, low 60′s.

“Honestly, this isn’t even another one of those silly attempts at political correctness. It’s INSULTING to our country… plain and simple.”
Political correctness is eliminating a made of definition to skirt our treaty obligations in regards to human rights?
Seriously how can the right wing claim they stand for America when they degrade the very heart of our values?

“My heart goes out to all those serving in our armed forces. I can’t imagine a worst feeling than to know you have been SOLD OUT by your Commander In Chief in favor of those you have died and bled for fighting.”
The enlisted contributed more to Obama than McCain.
And Obama campaigned on doing things like this.

It’s INSULTING to our country… plain and simple.
Because everything America does is right by definition?
There’s some moral clarity for you…..

….and issues the term
“Brothers in arms”

Well folks, it looks like we went from one form of stupidity with George Bush, to another form of stupidity with Barack Obama!!! These are enemies of this country who are bent in destroying America and all it stand for (which isn’t much these days)! Nevertheless, there is still stupidity and confusion in the White House. Either way, we’re still in trouble, and face it; we haven’t seen much of the so called ‘change’ Obama BS’d the people with to get elected. Its the same old story; they’ll lie through their teeth and tell you what you want to hear, and then do whatever they please once elected! Bottom line; politicians are all crooked and liars!!! It saddens me to see our nation going from greatness and world respect; into the laughing stock of the world! America has become a cess pool of crooks and liars and the government is at the top of the heap! Welcome to new organized crime America! God help us all!!!

Don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for him.

“The enlisted contributed more to Obama than McCain.”
Your source? (Other than ABC CNN CBS)
FEC records as compiled by opensecrets.
Here’s the AP story as carried by FoxNews
WASHINGTON — U.S. soldiers have donated more presidential campaign money to Democrat Barack Obama than to Republican John McCain, a reversal of previous campaigns in which military donations tended to favor GOP White House hopefuls, a nonpartisan group reported Thursday.

This will make Bush very very upset. First, his torture house (Gitmo) will be closed, and now the “enemy combatant” rhetoric no longer holds. Welcome to daylight where justice is supreme. The fear mongering propaganda of the Bush era that kept all of you flag waving zombies in perpetual trepidation is over. We are not letting terrorists or their sympathizers to go Scott free. No, we will hold them accountable for any harm done to America, and we will do it in a legal manner that earns us the envy and respect of the world. We are a civilized nation where the rule of law is supreme. PEACE!

These people are terrorists, not soldiers, not military of any country. This country is in the war with them, don’t you forget? Therefore keeping them well fed and provided with necessities is the most human way to deal with the, In the realm of laws of the war they are a new phenomenon. In the WWI they would be summarily shot by any party. This sends the clear signal to field commanders who care for their soldiers – no more prisoners. Is it what Obama so naive or just plain dumb:

DOJ said in a release that the new “definition does not rely on the President’s authority as Commander-in-Chief independent of Congress’s specific authorization. It draws on the international laws of war to inform the statutory authority conferred by Congress. It provides that individuals who supported al Qaeda or the Taliban are detainable only if the support was substantial. And it does not employ the phrase ‘enemy combatant.’”
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Bush’s policy and Authority has been taken a beating in the courts. It strengthens the Administration’s position to hold these prisoners.

Speaking of the brainiacs at hotair
“I won’t pretend to know the law of detention well enough to say if this has practical consequences or if it’s just a cosmetic change to please the left by scrubbing Dubya’s fingerprints from the doctrine.”

“Maybe they were doing the same thing I did. Vote for Obama so that after 4 years of him they would never have to worry about seeing another Dem as president in their lifetime.”
Considering the decline in self identified Republicans and the demographic suicide the Republicans have engaged in with Hispanics and immigration, I think you will be seeing Democratic Presidents quite a few times.

“I think you will be seeing Democratic Presidents quite a few times.”
Maybe, But I don’t think so. BO’s #’s are already heading into the tank.

“All that is changing is that Obama administration is placing their official status in line with international law,”
Actually if anyone on here would take the time to read the Law of Armed Conflict and the Geneva Convention, you would realize the proper term for most of these prisoners is “unlawful combatant”. Since those two documents are international law (for those that have signed), we abide by those documents.
When a combatant does not wear an easily identifiable mark that can be seen at distance (like a uniform or distinctive symbol or mark) separating them from innocent civilians, they are deemed unlawful combatant and subject to summary trial and execution.
Our justice department cannot simply change the label in which these unlawful combatants were apprehended, they would have to change the Law of Armed Conflict and the Geneva Convention.
This can only be done in America with our arrogance and ignorance. This is also a very dangerous thing to do. So now that we’ve done it, whats the punishment for violent organizations that do not separate themselves form innocent civilians with identifiable means, thus endangering innocent civilians?
I guess the answer is a US lawyer and court judge. Ooh, scary. We just gave carte blanch for nations to use civilians as cover. Good work, nice thinking on that one.

We wouldn’t want to hurt their feelings.
Obama…giving hope and change to Terrorists one day at a time! Yea!

Obama Administration Eliminates Term “Enemy Combatant”
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They are now called “Friends of Obama”

It would be incorrect to think that the president simply makes decisions without consultation with experts in matters of national security. C’mon, people, there are military experts, legal advisors who confide with the president before decisions are made. So, relax, the sky is not falling and the terrorists are still in custody.

“Ryan C: You better check your facts, vs. putting out propaganda points from left-wing hate sites. 60%+??? No. Just today, the Wall St Journal has an article by two DEMOCRAT pollsters titled “Obama’s Poll Numbers Are Falling to Earth”. Quoting from the writing by these two DEMOCRATS “…”
Scott Rasmussen is a Republican.
He currently has Obama with a 57% approval rating.
Gallup’s daily tracking has Obama at 62%.
And the last poll (3/9) to come out before that had Obama at 65%.
And I;m not sure what Rasmussen was looking at but Obama’s approval numbers are higher than Bush’s as the same time in his presidency though not by much.
Looking at a half dozen or so polls
Bush was from the mid to high 50′s
Obama is from the high 50′s to low 60′s.
See that’s what happens when you only read the headline or parrot what Rush told you, you end up looking like a fool.

Our justice department cannot simply change the label in which these unlawful combatants were apprehended, they would have to change the Law of Armed Conflict and the Geneva Convention.
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Nice talking point except that they were not called Unlawful Combatants, by the Bush Administration. So I fail to see the crux of your post, unless we are now free to say they are Unlawful Combatant rather then Enemy Combatant. If this is the case it strengthens the Administration’s Position.
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I guess we will start calling them “Unfriendly Non-Pacifists”

Just call them Obama supporters.
And when he frees them some will likely become terrorist again and kill Americans.
I don’t feel safe with Obama as president.

You would never know if the enlisted contributed or not. Enlisted servicemen/women are not allowed to talk about who they voted for.
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Hmmm……. Since when? I served in the USMC and I was very politicaly involved.

“You would never know if the enlisted contributed or not. Enlisted servicemen/women are not allowed to talk about who they voted for.”
Who they voted for maybe but who they donated to is recorded by the FEC and donations over $250 trigger public release.
Analysis of FEC records by opensecrets showed enlisted personel(especially those based overseas) as donating more to Obama.

By the way who supported who isn’t a big deal. As long as whomever is CIC does their best to keep our soldiers safe. This is an ideological issue so doesn’t involve safety.
Most likely it will make the policy “shoot first ask questions later” more active in the field.

More fodder to distract from Obama’s horrible financial decisions.
The last couple days Europe told Obama at G20 where to put his stimulus and budget ideas. “Just because Obama says we should do it doesn’t mean we will.”
Just today China warned the US unless we change course they will be slowing investment in Treasury bills.
So how many US economists and lawmakers and countries are going to have to politely say Obama’s ideas are horrible before he gets the point?

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By abandoning this concept and relegating prosecution of terrorists in criminal courts, Obama has given up on the concept of proactively acting to defend national security. Now a person is presumed innocent, and the US must wait for them to commit a crime before detaining and/or trying them. That’s how criminal justice works.
If you receive death threats, and you tell the police, even if you are 90% sure who it is there is nothing they can do because, acting inside the civilian criminal justice system they can’t proactively arrest people.
But national security doesn’t work that way. It’s INSANE to wait for a “crime” (read: attack) to be “committed” before doing something about it.

“”More fodder to distract from Obama’s horrible financial decisions.”
Hmmm talking point on soldiers being upset wasn’t working, time to move on.
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 13, 2009 5:50:01 PM
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In other words you can’t refute that Obama is making HORRIBLE decisions even communist countries think is bad during a recession.
If you’ll notice before even anyone responded I said this really was a non-issue. Nice try though nancy.

Considering the decline in self identified Republicans and the demographic suicide the Republicans have engaged in with Hispanics and immigration, I think you will be seeing Democratic Presidents quite a few times.
Posted by: Ryan C | Mar 13, 2009 5:16:19 PM
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Yeah democrats dropped e-verify from the stimulus bill to make sure illegal immigrants can stay in the country to make more anchor babies anxious for handouts. He is even considering stationing troops on the border to search people going to Mexico. Obama can’t let those sheep aka liberal voters out of the country.

Posted by: Thinking | Mar 13, 2009 6:14:51 PM
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No amount of logic or facts can sway liberals’ naive utopia so what’s the point. They’re just going to blindly believe the utopian vision anyways.
Democrats obviously don’t care what republicans think so explain why it shouldn’t go both ways. The Obama administration’s true idea of bipartisanship is obvious as they start street level brawls with media commentators and bash the GOP.
When liberals grow up and come to the real world where you look at history to try to make better decisions maybe liberal positions will be worth tolerating. Until then you’re just a bunch of blind sheep going baaaahhhhh to whatever will get you something for free (if you’re 99% of liberal voters).

“In other words you can’t refute that Obama is making HORRIBLE decisions even communist countries think is bad during a recession.”
Do you normally look to China’s opinion of our actions to guide your perceptions?
“If you’ll notice before even anyone responded I said this really was a non-issue. Nice try though nancy.”
What is a non issue?
“By the way who supported who isn’t a big deal. As long as whomever is CIC does their best to keep our soldiers safe. This is an ideological issue so doesn’t involve safety.”
The implication was that Obama was making it less safe for soldiers.
To which I asked if saying “bring it on” to terrorists was about the soldier’s safety.
You ran away from the question like the rest of the right wing cowards and changed the subject entirely.

Y”eah democrats dropped e-verify from the stimulus bill to make sure illegal immigrants can stay in the country to make more anchor babies anxious for handouts. He is even considering stationing troops on the border to search people going to Mexico. Obama can’t let those sheep aka liberal voters out of the country.”
By all means keep up the racism directed at the Hispanic community.
They are hearing the right wing loud and clear.

China and most european countries are giving incentives to private enterprise and cutting business taxes to combat recessions.
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These are Communist and Socialist countries you guys are allways ranting against. What gives?
China who artificialy controls the value of their money is hardly one to listen to. Europe is teed at the US and blames us for this recession they will bark but are looking to us to pull them out of it.

China who artificialy controls the value of their money is hardly one to listen to. Europe is teed at the US and blames us for this recession they will bark but are looking to us to pull them out of it.
Posted by: Thinking | Mar 13, 2009 6:29:42 PM
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Oh really? Look at the EU and G20 telling Obama he can take his idea of increased government spending and shove it.
Just today China issued a warning unless we have a REAL plan they will slow down investing in treasury bills.
Maybe you’re incapable of reading in between the lines but these are basically saying “Obama your plan sucks.”

No amount of logic or facts can sway liberals’ naive utopia so what’s the point. They’re just going to blindly believe the utopian vision anyways.
Democrats obviously don’t care what republicans think so explain why it shouldn’t go both ways. The Obama administration’s true idea of bipartisanship is obvious as they start street level brawls with media commentators and bash the GOP.
When liberals grow up and come to the real world where you look at history to try to make better decisions maybe liberal positions will be worth tolerating. Until then you’re just a bunch of blind sheep going baaaahhhhh to whatever will get you something for free (if you’re 99% of liberal voters).
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Well this is full of logic and facts isn’t it?
Give it a rest.

“It isn’t racism its true. Look at polls and numbers.”
Hispanics voted for Obama by more than a 2 to 1 margin.
Kerry won the Hispanic vote by about 10%.
Look at the commentary by conservatives like Navarrette.
Or look up recaps of discussions at the recent CPAC.

“So how about the world telling Obama his plans suck?”
You keep saying that with no evidence.
“How about the markets tanking since Obama’s been in office?”
That has a little something to do with the economic crisis brought to us by Bush.
“How about his ratings continuing to plummet?”
They aren’t plummeting. They’ve been a roughly the same level for a month now.
“How about his CIO who wants the US govt to embrace consumer technology under investigation?”
Kundra is not under investigation.
“How about all Obama’s campaign promises broken?”
That would depend if you mean Obama’s actual campaign promises or the things right wingers claim he promised.
“How about all the Obama administrations tax cheats?”
You mean the guys who paid their taxes and penalties?

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Liberals hate it when others play their own game. They depend on preying on others’ conscience and values.
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Yea Right.

“You still in ANY thread have never dared answer the Fannie/Freddie questions.”
Have that memory checked as I have discussed Fannie/Freddie ad naseum.

“China just warned us they’re not going to keep buying treasury debt if we’re stuck on stupid with out of bounds government spending.”
Some analysis
“Inside China there has been a lot of debate about whether they should continue to buy Treasuries,” said Frank Gong, chief China economist for JP Morgan.
Beijing is trying to increase its leverage at the London G-20 meeting by reminding its partners of its role in financing US spending, Gong said.
“Without China’s buying (Treasuries) and continuing to fund US deficit spending, interest rates could have been much higher. That could be very destabilizing in this very recessionary environment,” he said. “By attracting a lot of attention to this issue, China is already increasing its influence ahead of the G-20 meeting.”
How China sees gov’t spending
Wen expressed confidence the world’s third-largest economy can meet its official growth target of 8 percent this year and emerge from the crisis “at an early date.” But he said Beijing is ready to expand its 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) stimulus if needed.
“We already have our plans ready to tackle even more difficult times, and to do that we have reserved adequate ammunition,” he said. “That means that at any time we can introduce new stimulus policies.”
Communist leaders worry about rising job losses and possible unrest amid a trade slump that saw Chinese exports fall 25.7 percent in February from a year earlier. They have promised to spend heavily to create jobs and boost exports.

“The U.S. stimulus-spending challenge has been welcomed by Britain, which is hosting the G-20 meeting, but it could meet some resistance from other European governments. The prime minister of Luxembourg, Jean-Claude Juncker, speaking on behalf of those countries that use the euro as their currency, said earlier this week that U.S. statements urging more stimulus spending in Europe “were not to our liking.”
Luxembourg…..LUXEMBOURG!
ROLFMAO!

China just warned us they’re not going to keep buying treasury debt if we’re stuck on stupid with out of bounds government spending.
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He noted that Obama had introduced a host of steps to takle the INTERNATIONAL FINANCIAL CRISIS and has high expectations for those steps.
Wen outlined a $585 billion stimulus plan for China, calling it “a massive government investment.” It will be “mainly for projects that include people’s well-being,” — technological upgrades, environmental protection, increased farm subsidies, infrastructure and housing projects, including improved housing for people living in shanty towns, he said at the annual session, during which he answered questions from reporters for about two hours.
Beijing has high expectations for U.S. President Barack Obama’s economic recovery strategy, but worries remain about the safety of China’s assets in the United States,

Go look at China’s stimulus. Much of it is tax cuts.
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See my post below.

$90 billion of Chinese tax cuts went outside of the stimulus plan. Seeing how many other tax cuts they’re making.
For example their auto industry instead of subsidizing they are introducing tax credits and incentives.
Gotta log for awhile from this thread but will probably see it later.
It’s pretty funny though when the USs economic plans are equal to or further to the left than socialist and communist countries.
I guess we need to change “what failed the last 8 years” to what has failed throughout history LOL.

Cyros-
“China during the summer pulled considerable money out of Fannie/Freddie making the insolvency worse. Funny how this didn’t make big news.”
Unlike you, the “news” usually likes the ENTIRE story not just the parts from the WashPo that sound scary. DOn’t you recall seeing this in the article too? Oh and I gave it to you in a different forum, but it’s hard to shed those talking points – no matter how skewed they may be.
“Despite China’s public comments, however, the government has continued to hold on to and even increase its overall U.S. Treasury holdings since the U.S. economic problems began. In September it surpassed Japan as the No. 1 overseas holder of Treasuries, which, because they are backed by the U.S. government , are widely considered safer investments at a time of global economic uncertainty.
And at the end of last year, China held about $696 billion in U.S. government securities; that’s 46 percent more than at the end of 2007.
Wen said as much on Friday when he emphasized that despite his concerns he believes that “our foreign reserves in general are safe.”

Obama changes the wording and his base becomes giddy–even though he just continues with Bush policies.
Obama supporters are so gullible.

“We also know that they didn’t ‘try’ very hard.”
Not sure what you mean by that, but let’s say they didn’t try very hard.
Now, tell us what the Democrats did after Jan 2007 to curb the abuses by Frediie/Fannie. Thanks.

Obama changes the wording and his base becomes giddy–even though he just continues with Bush policies.
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Frankly I haven’t seen any giddy post here only rabid ones from his detractors.

The 110th Congress accomplished nothing good but the 111th is well on the way to setting records for being inept and corrupt.
Nancy Pelosi is a true lunatic.

“The 110th Congress accomplished nothing good…”
That was do in large part to Bush and senate republicans that vetoed and filibustered much of their legislation.

so what are they called now?…..excessive vandals like \Ayers>…
When they walk….make sure they are living in Dem neighborhoods

Obama’s contempt for the intellect of the country is mind-boggling.

drjohn calls Obama supporters stupid while copying and pasting the most erroneous story put forth on the subject of Obama and the stem cell “ban”.
Anyone, Obama supporter or not, familiar with this topic is well aware of the Dickey-Wicker amendment that has been in place since 1996 to ban federal financing for human embryo experiments and the subsequent steps needed by CONGRESS to remove this amendment.
This is related to use of taxpayer dollars and does not impact the research the private sector can continue to do.

• Human Rights Watch
“The Obama administration’s newly issued position on Guantanamo detainees is a disappointment. Rather than rejecting the Bush administration’s ill-conceived notion of a ‘war on terror,’the Obama administration’s position on detainees has merely tinkered with its form.”
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The name for detainees may be different but the Obama administration’s position is that of Bush/Cheney.
I support the President’s continuation of policy regarding the war on terror.

I prefer “those who choose to act out in an inappropriate manner” myself.

No problem the socialists have renamed socialism as being a liberalism. They use words to cover who they really are. A radical socialist is a communist.Madam speaker is a radical socialist. So is the commander of the new civilian version of the military forces. As it was said in the movie the wizard of OZ “Don’t pay attention to the man(or woman) behind the curtain” . Why is it so hard for a Socialist to let people in this country run their own lives? I find their lives more messed up than mine.Why would I fork over control to these deviants?

they were terrorist when they were attacking us and they will still be called terrorist no matter what.
the WH is a joke, 2012 can not come soon enough, we need to elect a real president!