President Obama De-Emphasizes Priority of Democracy in Afghanistan

Here’s an interesting story from the web pages of the Washington Post.
It is a little off topic, as they say, but it does hit upon a recurring theme of the Obama administration. That would be faking out the electorate.

Rachel: “I sure regret my vote for Obama. Deeply regret it.”
Katharine: “Here’s another moderate who regrets her vote for Obama.”
Raymond252: “After voting for Obama, I am FILLED with regret. I wanted to punish Republicans, but punished America by mistake.”
pepe: “I regret my vote for Obama. I will apologize to my 3 year old son for the great financial pain I am causing him by having voted for Obama.”

Not surprising. Obama doesn’t emphasize democracy in the U.S. much, either.

“Political and economic” development is fine as long as Afghanistan has a military force sufficient to protect itself from a return of Taliban and Al Queda, which would no doubt again use Afghanistan as a base. What is the likelihood of an effective Afghan military in the next ten or so years?

It’s interesting to watch the cult on here creating their own reality. Truly inspired by Bush/Cheney, they have a predetermined mindset and choose whichever ‘facts’ prove them right.
Irrelevant comments aside, my guess is that the people of Afghanistan probably want a democratic process but are more interested in feeding/clothing their families, having shelter/water, and having safety.

All the strings of the militency in pakistan and afghanistan goes back to soviat invasion.After their withdrawl from afghanistan, pakistan needed these militants to fight the insurgency in kashmir against the indian troops.Thats why Pakistan’s intellegence agency ISI supported these militants to achieve their goal after americans achieved there.So, the solution is solve the kashmir problem and these militants will lose support in pakistan from ISI and people of pakistan and cross border insergency will be stopped and we can see a peaceful Afghanistan in the future.

“Sigmond: Pakistan has a strong military. How’s that workin?”
Do you think Afghanistan can be a peaceful society and free from being overtaken by taliban and al queda without having a military to defend them?
Ask yourself the question: Why do countries have a military? Why does Pakistan have a military, for example?

“Obama/Clinton/Pelosi/Reid are all taitors!!! This is the worst administration in the history of our country.”
Mr. Oblahblah Why Iraqis hates you??? why they are throwing shoes on your president??? hunderends of thousands have died since iraq invasion.I am sitting right now in a place in Pakistan not far more then 50 miles where yesterday a suiside bomber blew himself in a Mosque…it never happened before.. its all the ramnants of Afghanistan war…
I believe the amount of money which americans have spent in iraq and afganistan war still without capturing him if that would have been the head money on Osama he would have been behind bars long time ago… poor nations :)

“Why Iraqis hates you??? why they are throwing shoes on your president??? hunderends of thousands have died since iraq invasion.”
You prefer Saddam Hussein and his regime?

Political and economic” development is fine as long as Afghanistan has a military force sufficient to protect itself from a return of Taliban and Al Queda, which would no doubt again use Afghanistan as a base. What is the likelihood of an effective Afghan military in the next ten or so years?
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Oh come on I’ve debated with with you before, you know as well as I do that there are 4000 troops goinmg there to train a 400,000 Afghanisatn military. Sonmething left out of this report, that focuses on the word Democracy.
Read it again:
The following steps must be done in concert to produce the desired end state: the removal of al-Qaeda’s sanctuary, effective and democratic government control in Pakistan, and a self-reliant Afghanistan that will enable the withdrawal of combat forces while sustaining our commitment to political and economic development.” (Emphasis ours.)

Every time I look at Obama, I am reminded of the following words from Abraham Lincoln: You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.

Barack Obama worked hard to help elect a man named Odinga in Kenya. Odinga wanted to impose sharia law, a system that denies most legal rights to women. Why would a man with two daughters not have a problem with a legal system that denies women equal protection?

Sigmond wrote:
Sounds like Obama has decided that when bin laden is killed or captured, he will quit, saying he kept his campaign promise.. Never mind that someone will follow bin laden and Afghanistan will return to Taliban rule and once again a safe haven for al Queda, which will continue it’s effort against the US and the world.. Obama has already lost the war with this policy.
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What you said was that Obama Already lost. That is what you said.

Sigmond : “You prefer Saddam Hussein and his regime?”
We prefer Peace and justice ….. we dont want bloodshed.The point is Americans brought blood to iraq thats why shoes are comming they have lost hope in the Americans give them hope give them money to develop themselves or just to improve your image.

“Every time I look at Obama, I am reminded of the following words from Abraham Lincoln: You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.”
Der CHANGEling’s turning into a less engaging Bush.
Are the gullible geese who installed Him going to let Him get away with this?
When the fascists took over in Germany, many Europeans came to the US. Now that they’ve taken over in the US and UK, where will Americans emigrate?

Dear Leader Zero and the Not-My-Congress are trying their best to eradicate capitalism and democracy in the USA. Just look at the “Card Check” lie of a bill. The whole point of that is to eliminate the private vote, in order to deliberately intimidate and threaten workers into joining liberal labor unions. Same with Oprompter’s digital brown-shirts that post here. They have to create hate against decent women, such as Governor Palin & Michelle Bachmann, in order to keep all the government-schooled serfs on the Democrat Plantation.
So why wouldn’t they try to de-emphasize it in Afghanistan? The liberal democrats in the USA are directly comparable to the Taliban in Afghanistan. They, like Dear Leader 0bama, are all bullies and cowards. There’s nothing a liberal hates more than freedom, truthful democracy, and individualism.
OBAMA = FAILURE

Sigmond : “They just wanted Americans to give Saddam money and he would help develop the country? Iraqis preferred that?”
Why Mr. Bush started war in Iraq before finishing the job in Afghanistan… all they are saying is its all mismanaged war.I am Pashtun the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan and on the other side of border in pakistan. Its a Pashtun saying ” Never put your feet on two boats “.

“all they are saying is its all mismanaged war.”
Yes. All wars are hard to manage and most mismanaged. Have you ever seen a well managed war?
“Never put your feet on two boats” is a good saying.
What will you think if Obama has one foot in Pakistan, one foot in Afghanistan, and has to put a third foot in Iran to stop Iran from getting nukes? Never put three feet in three boats? :)

“Americans should thank Obama for rescuing americans by starting negotiations with the iranians and offering them a new begining..’
Do you think Iran should have nuclear weapons?
Obama has said he will not allow Iran to have nuclear weapons and has said “all options are on the table, including military force” to prevent Iran from acquiring these weapons..
So far, Obama has not accomplished anything with Iran other than send them his greetings. His foot is about to step on that third wobbly boat.
Time is running out for Obama and Iran and decisions will have to be made soon. Obama’s third foot is about step onto that third boat, no?

“Have you ever seen a well managed war?”
What Der CHANGEling’s up to in Afghanistan and Pakistan isn’t “war”, so much as robo-assault.
That He’s now adopting Bush’s “they want to kill us” rhetoric is another bad sign among many.

Think about it. In democracy, power flows from the bottom up. The error of the Bush administration was in trying to imposed democracy from the top down. Look up the Weimar Republic. Post WWI Germany, with at least some democratic institutions in the previous century, could not make democracy work and fell back into dictatorship. In the same manner, it looks like post-Cold War Russia is headed for a camouflaged Putin led dictatorship due to a botched transition from Communism. The bes we can hope for in both Iraq and Afghanistan is to introduce enough flexibility into their societies that they can evolve toward democracy. After all, in the 350 years since Anglo-American democracy began with English Civil War, we reverted to undemocratic tricks such as holding American citizens in solitary confinement without trial or legal representation merely because Ashcroft, and then Gonzales said that they were bad guys. Don’t expect Near Eastern countries with no history of democracy to make the jump in a few years.

Sigmond: “Do you think Iran should have nuclear weapons? (2nd request)”
As far as Nuclear WEAPONS are concerned I will say No.But Nuclear TECHNOLOGY for civilian use will be having no harm.Iran is repeatedly assuring the international community that it will not develop nukes. If i would have been given the task of finding the solution to the problem then would have suggested that americans should develop nuclear power plants in pakistan(pakistan already have nukes) and should give electricity supply line to iran on the same rate as they would have in their own country…. problem solved.

So far, Obama has not accomplished anything with Iran other than send them his greetings. His foot is about to step on that third wobbly boat.
Time is running out for Obama and Iran and decisions will have to be made soon. Obama’s third foot is about step onto that third boat, no?
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And has not all of these things been eveident for years now? Cheney/Bush didn’t seem to accomplish much did they? yes?

‘Cheney/Bush didn’t seem to accomplish much did they? yes?’
They freed the Afghans and Iraqis from despots and helped them establish democracies. In addition, they put the Iranians in a box regarding nuke weapons. And they kept us safe.
Is that what you mean by “accomplish much”?

“you complain about Obama Haveing the third boat,”
Pointing out the difficult situations Obama faces is not a complaint.

That is 37,000 NATO troops in Afghanistan

‘What would you do?”
I’m happy I don’t have the responsibility.
The one thing I would not do would be to have American troops fighting on Pakistan soil, with or without an agreement with the Pak government. That would be an enormous disaster.
I would use our troops to defend and clear Afghanistan and train their military.
I would deal with Iran before dealing with al Queda in Pakistan. Give Iran an ultimatum – Open up for inspection or lose your nuke facilities. This is a more important matter to deal with than catching bin laden for the moment. That might feel good, but there will be others following.
Beyond that, I think we have to somehow force Pakistan to get al queda and taliban extremeists. How? Don’t know.
Like i said, happy I don’t have the responsibility.

Sigmond :” The one thing I would not do would be to have American troops fighting on Pakistan soil, with or without an agreement with the Pak government. That would be an enormous disaster.”
Obama yesterday confessed that the tribal areas of pakistan are the most dangerous place on earth.Afghans are ruled temporarily by outsiders, but these tribal peoples are never been ruled by anybody…even its own government.

The world is a dangerous place and will always be that way. That is why most countries have a military to keep them safe.
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Some more of your none answers with circular logic. If 1, then 2, if 2 then 3, if 3 then 1

I do not trust liberal democrats like Obama, or the liberal democrats that control the majority in the House and Senate, to have the determination and resolve to “stay the course” and defeat our Taliban and Al Queda enemy in Afganistan.
I predict we will see a “surrender” caucus being formed on the Democrat Party side of the aisles in Congress VERY SOON.
This is one time that I hope I am wrong.

“if all it would take is to destroy one facility,”
We’d have to make some serious damage to to their nuke program. Enough that they see the wisdom and cost of not rebuilding it. There wouldn’t be any ground war.

We’d have to make some serious damage to to their nuke program. Enough that they see the wisdom and cost of not rebuilding it. There wouldn’t be any ground war.
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Certainly it has been done before in the middle east. Iran doesn’t have the capability to wag war, although I believe it could hit Israel. I think if it comes to that it will be done.

We will also see if the Obama liberal supporters , who usually hate our military and normally have no willingness or backbone to fight the enemies of the USA,
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Terrorism isn’t an “enemy.” It’s a tactic. We can’t fight or shoot a tactic can we? Geez.

Between Bush & Obama, From the Greedy Conseratives to the Socialist Liberals, I fear it will be Years befor America becomes Moderately Balanced again! If Ever! Maybe that is what the “Mabus” warning is all about. The Bush/Obama Agendas & their effects on America.

“Looks to me like liberals are vastly under-represented in the military. Let’s have a military draft so that liberals can do their share fighting terror. It’s time liberals got off their behinds and put some skin in the game. It’s only fair.”
It’s convenient for right-wingers to confuse the war on terror with the war in Iraq, that most ‘liberals’ opposed.
While we may volunteer to fight terrorism, right-wingers should have the courage to go fight the wars they want to start instead of sending other people to do it.

Composition of race in the country and the military 2004
White 61.9% 64.3%
Asian 4.1% 4.8%
Black 14.3% 16.4%
Hispanic 17% 13.1%
Seems to very representative of the country. How do you explain the skewed results of the Military Times report on Conservatives serving in the Military?

It’s time liberals got off their behinds and put some skin in the game. It’s only fair.
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You know I really resent this statement 10 to 1 you didn’t serve. After all your great leaders Cheney, Bush, Limbaugh, Rove they dodged all responsibility. Bush joined the National Gaurd and then failed to go to meetings, but back then when I served, and bush was in the National Gaurd, it is where one tried to go if there was no other option of getting out. It was very difficult to secure a slot in the National Gaurd then.

How the Military Times conducted there survey:
On Dec. 10, we e-mailed a selection of active-duty, National Guard, reserve and retired military subscribers of our four military weeklies, asking them to take part in our annual poll. The respondents were directed to an independent polling firm that hosted the survey and tabulated the results. The poll was closed Dec. 17.
E-mailed?

The only thing the Military Times poll proved is that out of those subscribed to the Military Times, and bothered to respond to an e mail are more conservative. Hardly representitive of thwe Military at large. Not only that you indicate dhtat it was of Active Duty Military, But the Military Times clearly states that is also of Retired Military.

He should not Emphasize [Democracy]
Note: We live in a Military Controlled, Capitalist, Semi-Socialist, Semi Religious and Very, Very….
Secular Society…
So why Would or why Should Pres. Obama place Emphasis on…
[Democracy]
When this Country Encompasses so Much More.
Technically Speaking…
Capitalism has been Dressed Up and called Democracy …
But, Capitalism on Both Shores [America & Western Europe] has Proven to be a FAILURE….
So Pres. Obama had better take a More Tentative Approach on the Afghanistan Issue.

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Even though Al Queda did have a presence in Iraq before the USA invaded, let us accept YOUR premise that they were not.
My point remains valid, al queda was in Iraq and liberal democrats wanted to “cut and run” and “surrender” caucus were formed in Congress by liberal democrats. (Out of Iraq Caucus)

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Your posting proved my point, thank you

Yeah “O.”,
Capitalism didn’t actually create the strongest, most diverse and tolerant societies in the history of Man.
Dude, you need to travel and see the rest of the world. I have…during 25 years in the military. Do you want to see a failure, go to sub-Saharan Africa, go visit the former Eastern Europe and smell the stench that still exudes from their factories. Do that, then let me know how you like the US. Perhaps more pampered, spoiled, uninformed and bored Americans need to take that trip with you.

The greatness of our nation has its foundation in the Declaration and the Constitution.
The assistance the USA gave to Iraq in forming its Constitution, provides them also the opprotunity to progress towards “a more perfect union”
I hope that a similar process takes place in Afganistan in the coming years.
I extend my personal thanks, like millions of Americans, to the military, that made and will make that process possible

Why in hell would Obama mention Democracy in Afghanistan being he’s a Socialist?
Last year President Bush announced 12,000 to 15,000 additional troops to Afghanistan for 2009 which was criticized by almost all the Democrats but now Obama announces additional troops and he’s praised up and down.
I guess by putting down some more words like “Diplomatic Surge” makes Obama better than Bush?

Couldn’t Al Qaeda set up shop somewhere else? Weren’t the 9/11 guys Saudis and Yemens? Am I missing something? Do we think the taking this group out will change anything? Can’t they just twitter other terrorists?

“Couldn’t Al Qaeda set up shop somewhere else? Weren’t the 9/11 guys Saudis and Yemens? Am I missing something? Do we think the taking this group out will change anything? Can’t they just twitter other terrorists?”
We are never going to defeat the terrorists by killing them all. They have a pool of a billion people to draw from. We have to fight terrorism but the only way to really stop terrorism is to forge some kind of lasting peace with the peoples of the Muslim world. To argue for anything else is to commit us to further generations of bloodshed.

“No one is at war with the people of the Muslim world. Most Muslims and countries that are Muslim are peaceful and oppose terrorism, so no need for making peace with anyone.”
You wouldn’t know that from reading the comments of many Obama critics that post on these pages. Go back and review the comments on the article about his recent New Years address. They criticize him for trying to befriend our ‘enemies’.

TJ…
Sub Saharan Africa is not a nor has it ever been a…
[Capitalist Haven]
The Area has Never been Capitalist.
Capitalism & Greed: FAILED in America and Western Europe.
That’s a Glaring Reality !!
Have You seen all of Western Europe…
Answer: No
Not Grand at All.
Eastern Europe…
Answer: Terrible, Deplorable…
So much so that The European Union, Refuses to…
[Bail E.Europe out]
Note: Canada & Brazil Both are Thriving and Both Nations have a Surplus.
Not America and Western Europe.
The Brazilian Prime Minister called out American & European Capitalism, for it’s Failure Both Here and Abroad.

Democracies and Capitalism are overrated anyway.
Autocracy and Socialism is where REAL liberty and prosperity are at!