Russian Planes Overfly US Carrier
ABC News’ Luis Martinez reports: A Defense official confirms that twice this week several Russian aircraft overflew the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis and another US Navy vessel that were participating in military exercises in international waters off the coast of South Korea. The fly-over incidents occurred earlier this week in the Sea of Japan about 80 nautical miles off the coast of Pohan, South Korea. On Monday, March 16 two Russian Ilyushin IL-38 "May" maritime patrol aircraft overflew the USS Stennis by an altitude of 500 feet. On Tuesday, March 17, two Russian "Bear" long range bombers overflew the USS Stennis and the flagship USS Blue Ridge multiple times at an altitude of 2,000 feet. Both times the approaching aircrafts were intercepted by Navy F/A-18 fighters at a range of 70 nautical miles. The fighters then escorted the planes until they departed the area. The Stennis and the other ships that make up its carrier strike group are participating in the joint US -South Korean military exercise called "Foal Eagle" that has drawn the ire of North Korea.
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Nothing, I reapeat, nothing flies over our aircraft carriers. I don’t care if they were escorted, they still shouldn’t fly over them. Shouldn’t be tolerated one bit.
It could have been a great live fire test for the aircraft carriers defenses though. Should have gone through with it…
Posted by: Tray | March 19, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Is Russia trying to start something???
Taking pictures of our carriers!!!!
Posted by: sisterdearest09 | March 19, 2009, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
sisterdearest09 – Seems to me the Russians don’t like missiles on the borders, much like the Cuban Missile Crisis. Russia won’t start anything in my opinion. They are just playing the same game we play.
Posted by: Huh | March 19, 2009, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
There is a difference than missles in another country and flying directly over an aircraft carrier with bombers at 500 feet! That is an “in your face” move if ever there was one.
They are trying to start something.
I hope that the escorting F 18′s gave the Russian bombers a missle lock, to send a message.
Posted by: Kate | March 19, 2009, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
Kate – They are not trying to start anything. They are just flexing some muscle. Think of it as a not to friendly response to missiles on their borders. Remember we were practically threatening war with them over missiles in Cuba.
Posted by: Huh | March 19, 2009, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Kate
Don’t be so trusting, that is too close for comfort. Haven’t we learn anything in the past eight years.
mstee
Posted by: mstee | March 19, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
If the U.S. flew over North Korean airspace during their missle testing they would have bombed us and felt justified.
If we bombed them for the same violation we would be guilty of brutality. The first time they flew overhead it should have been explained next time they would be bombed and not escorted. If they did it again we have to stop it completely. They only do what we allow them to do.
Posted by: Mila | March 19, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
It is evident that the U.S. is getting weaker, dumber and so “delicate” not to step on anyone’s toes, that one can surmise our decline is inevitable; in other words, the handwriting is on the wall for the long-term…and I am not even talking about the economy, or all the scandals related to it. You don’t have to be Einstein to figure this one out…
Posted by: eddo | March 19, 2009, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm
The Russian know that we have a weak president that would rather isolate his country than defend it. Mr. Obama would rather talk on Jay Leno and tax the hell out of his people than go after people who would like nothing more than crush the U.S.
Posted by: Oliver | March 19, 2009, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Oh give it a rest, Oliver. Our President has a lot of work to do to repair the damage left over by Bush. We need to repair our friendships and reputation in the world. We don’t do that by trying to bully the nations of the world.
We have the Monroe Doctrine and the Russians are trying to redeem their honor with their own version of a Monroe Doctrine.
Who the hell do some of you think we are? The British Royal Navy, in service of Her Majesty? Yes, it was an in-your-face move and we responded how a true superpower should….with a measured but calculated response.
Stop rattling the sabers and work to build some peace. Our world surely needs it now!
Posted by: Drew | March 19, 2009, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Drew – Good points. Oliver wants to bomb somebody.
Posted by: Huh | March 19, 2009, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
Thanks Drew for putting it so well, I agree with you and the tension in the area is mounting, so of course Russia put in their appearance.
Oliver- do you really think we should start a war over the kids flexing a little, and don’t you think our show of force is our flexing?
Posted by: rebecca | March 19, 2009, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
maybe Medvedev should go on “Conan” and Putin go on “The View” since or do some NCAA basketball brackets. If they think military threats, diplomatic grandstanding, or any traditional means will make Obama blink they have another thing coming! If Russia wants to “flex” and get Obama’s attention they should start hitting the entertainment circuit because that is where Obama’s priorities lie. He seems to care less about diplomacy (to wit the infantile “push button” to the Russians and insulting of the UK) or security (dropping charges against terrorists or even releases detainees into the USA).
Posted by: Ed | March 19, 2009, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
Relax; this is nothing new. Low-altitude “surprise” overflights of U.S. Navy ships and sometimes U.S. territory by the Russian and/or Soviet military were a fairly common occurrence back in Cold War days, including during the administration of Ronald Reagan, when the superpowers were engaged in a perpetual game of cat-and-mouse and the world was no more than the push of a button away from nuclear annihilation. Routine overflights of Soviet territory by American U-2 spy planes became the practice as far back as the 1950s. Later, the SR-71 spy plane took over the role. Navy ships and submarines were often involved in these games. To U.S. military commanders, all of this is “old hat.”
The recent “incidents” in the Sea of Japan thus merely repeat a familiar pattern, whereby Soviet long-range bombers (their most intimidating manned weapons) would suddenly appear out of the clouds in mid-ocean over a nuclear-armed U.S. aircraft carrier battle group (the prime symbol of the outreach of U.S. power) just to show that the carriers had nowhere to hide and that the Kremlin could do it. These incidents sometimes made the news, when Defense Department spokespersons would reassure the public that the U.S. aircraft carriers were well-defended and never in any danger.
Today’s re-plays of this worn-out game (paralleled by the recent attempted penetrations by Russian Bear bombers of well-defended Canadian air space) have, of course, a different interpretation. The most likely one is that the Kremlin, under the autocratic rulership of overinflated ego (“Me Tarzan”)Vladimir Putin and stung by its historic decline from superpower status, is finally losing it. Or perhaps it’s just a case of the overworked Putin privately losing his mind. That’s assuming he ever had one. If U.S. President Barack Obama bothered to communicate anything in response to the Russian leader, the message was probably along the lines of, “WHAT — are you mad?”
Posted by: David Ferrell | March 20, 2009, 12:06 am 12:06 am
The Russians are really pathetic, and these kinds of games make them look exactly like what they are — children. A superpower does not behave like Russia.
Posted by: Jay | March 20, 2009, 1:06 am 1:06 am
70 nautical miles? Тоо late. As we say in Russia: “Сonventional enemy conditionally destroyed”.
P.S. Sorry for my english. Don’t know the official terminology of NATO.
Posted by: Merkocit | March 20, 2009, 1:32 am 1:32 am
The fact that Tu-95s flew over the US aircraft carrier group *twice* in parade formation at that altitude only means one thing – fighters weren’t scrambled to intercept at *all*, until the Bears were leaving. If you all recall the Chinese incident – their fighters gave their lives to not allow a US spy plane to enter their territory… US fighter jets should have forced Russian bombers to alter course, and the fact that they didn’t means they ### up, and for some strange reason weren’t aware that Russian bombers are flying over head. Twice.
LOL.
Maybe there is something to the rumor that they developed plasma based stealth tech…
Posted by: Kibalchish | March 20, 2009, 2:24 am 2:24 am
Relax…those extremists out in the desert or in caves somewhere are no threat to the US. (message board comment from early 1992)
Posted by: Blah | March 20, 2009, 4:52 am 4:52 am
Blah – Quite frankly we are a greater threat to the guys in caves.
Posted by: Huh | March 20, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am
International waters, it’s not sovereign air space, it’s international waters. In international waters you can fly, or sail, or motor anywhere you want. No one has authority in those waters (or international airspace for that matter), that’s why it’s called international. We also have the right to be able to traverse other countries national waters as long as it’s on a passage to somewhere else. Otherwise countries like Iran could simply close off the straights off their waters to our battle groups because our fleet needs to travel within sight from their borders. If you want countries to start exercising their just “rights” by forbidding an unfriendly military from coming close to them, our entire navy will be bottled up in Norfolk within a month.
Posted by: GW | March 20, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am
To: David Ferrell | Mar 20, 2009 12:06:28 AM.
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It’s certainly refreshing when someone with common sense and, apparently, some knowledge post a well grounded reply. My question to you is why weren’t they intercepted before flying over the carrier? Is it because it is international air space that anyone can fly anywhere? I still think that’s dangerously close.
Posted by: D. | March 20, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
As a former carrier sailor, I saw many Bear/Badger bombers near our carriers, and when we sent F-4s up, one of them usually positions itself under the bomb bay doors while the other flies on the bomber’s wing tip. (We do it better than China did though when they sent pilot Wong Wei up to shadow our P-3 sub chaser…)
Posted by: Rob | March 20, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Such a move is patently provocative.
Of course, that’s the point…to test the other side and see what, if any, response may be elicited.
Posted by: RR GOP | March 20, 2009, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
Our advesaries throughout the world are testing out our new leadership to probe the bottomless depths of his naievete. Its time for America to wake up and protect borders, language, and culture and cut the utopian idealism.
Posted by: Sonic | March 21, 2009, 7:57 am 7:57 am
Mere posturing.
With the fall in oil prices and the collapse of the Eastern European bank system (comparatively much, much, much worse than our problems), Russia hasn’t got much in the way of anything left. They blew through over 1/3 of their foreign currency reserves just defending the rubble (er, ruble). They’ve got a couple of new toys in their army, but for the most part it’s a joke. Even the top flight stuff that went into Georgia encountered some resistance, and they ended up ferrying warbands of Russian irregulars into the country on toyotas. 1st world power my foot.
Their arms market sales are in danger of collapse as well. India is going to be buying stuff from the US from now on, and there’s no way they’re selling their best stuff to China.
Besides this, they’re dying faster than they’re being born, and are stifling immigration (probably with good reason – Russia is held together by their language and east orthodox religious background, and the types of immigrants who could come in have neither of those). They can’t finance long-term debt, what little industry they had is collapsing due to Putin/United Russia party corruption. On that [corruption], it exists to the point of insanity – they destroyed their best weapons research facility because it was prime Moscow real estate, and moved it to a location so far away it’s likely that the scientists will just quit and try to go work for Gazprom or some non-Russian firm.
Posted by: Jim | March 21, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
To: D. | Mar 20, 2009 11:11:36 AM
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The answer to your question is that the Russian aircraft WERE intercepted in both cases (as is standard practice by the U.S. Navy) by F/A-18 fighter jets scrambled from the U.S. carrier, which escorted the intruders from then on, until they were out of the area. And in fact, the F/A-18s could easily have shot the Russian bombers out of the sky. The intercept happened about 70 miles away from the carrier, which means the the intruders were detected and tracked over a much greater distance than that, probably many hundreds of miles. The carrier and its support ships have radars that continually scan the horizon for potential threats, as well as terminal defenses that are capable of detecting, tracking, and shooting down missiles launched from any potentially hostile aircraft that intrude into its defensive zone, which covers tens of thousands of square miles of surrounding ocean. Moreover, it is routine practice for U.S. Navy carriers to launch and maintain in the air at all times AWACS-style surveillance aircraft such as the Hawkeye whose airborne radars can detect emergent threats long before they are within offensive reach. U.S. military surveillance satellites, whose full capabilities are classified, are capable of extending the bubble of protection around U.S. forces to a much larger area yet.
Unless they were either crazy or stupid, the Russian operatives in this incident knew that they were up against a force of vastly greater reach and technological sophistication than theirs, and that in a real conflict they would stand absolutely no chance of prevailing. The Russian Tu-95 “Bear” bomber is a slow, antiquated 1950s-era weapon that, while doubtless retrofitted with more modern equipment, is no match for anything in the current U.S. inventory. U.S. strategic and tactical forces are designed to prevail against threats far more formidable than the lumbering Tu-95 “Bear.”
Thus, in a real-war scenario, the “Bears” would have gotten nowhere close to the U.S. ships, not within one hundred times the fireball-radius of a 50-megaton nuclear weapon. The recent string of incidents involving Russian planes and U.S. ships (as well as NATO and Canadian air forces which have recently intercepted these “Bears” straying into the wrong territory) testifies to merely to the foolhardiness and antiquated thinking of the current Russian leadership.
The only thing possibly more foolish than the Kremlin thinkers, who seem increasingly out of touch with Reality, is the thinking of some Western commentators today who see in these incidents some kind of intended “test” or challenge of the current U.S. leadership. But every U.S. leader since Truman has been similarly “tested” by the Kremlin, with exactly the same result — nothing gained, and usually something lost (as when JFK kicked their nuclear forces out of Cuba). It is no different this time, except that the Kremlin is making itself look stupider and stupider.
While it wouldn’t be true to say that the Russian Bear is toothless, its recent actions are largely bluster and show, intended to frighten the ignorant, boost Vladimir Putin’s ego by making him feel important, provide a shot in the arm to the Kremlin’s sagging prestige, and (no doubt) give advantage to the Russians in various ongoing economic, trade, and financial manipulations with its partners. This is Russia on steroids. By playing heavily in the news, Russia’s actions provide a diversion and serve to complicate the international situation, thus giving U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton extra headaches and making the pursuit of sensible foreign policy by responsible governments more difficult. The interesting thing about the Kremlin’s current war games is how many people see them as a “test” of Barack Obama — or, worse, as the exploitation of some presumed weakness of America’s new President — when the very same games, played under the last year of the previous administration, were not seen as a test of George W. Bush. If I were Vladimir Putin, I’d be very careful about offending Barack Obama, who is probably the toughest, smartest, best informed, and most capable U.S. President ever to occupy the office.
Posted by: David Ferrell | March 21, 2009, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
You all need to chill out, they do this every time we have an aircraft carrier in the waters. My boyfriend is on the Stennis and I’m not worried.
Posted by: Whitney | March 21, 2009, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
The Russians know that obama sees America as the Problem. obama has been a friend to to America’s enemies and has surrounded himself with such all his life… no enemies on the left for the magic negro.
This is the time for the America’s enemies to flex their muscles because they know they have an allie in the White House.
Before anyone objects, how do you explain obama’s awful treatment of our British Allies and his sucking up to Iran?
Posted by: cvn | March 22, 2009, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
The nation of aggressors tries to argue on that that someone has photographed their vessel about own coast. buhaha. By the way, today 10 summer anniversary of barbarous bombardment of Yugoslavia NATO armies. Peaceful you ours. :)
Posted by: Bear with a balalaika | March 27, 2009, 12:11 am 12:11 am
Overflights of vessels, particularly during excercises, are absolutely routine practice. US military aircraft in some instances not only overfly but also buzz Russian vessels at low altitude. Besides that, it is part of the game to make one’s presence known.
Posted by: Al de V. | March 27, 2009, 5:57 am 5:57 am
Maybe they are trying to find out if our new leader has any backbone?
Posted by: GWD | March 29, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
How could the russians have been intercepted and escorted away if they overflew the Stennis?
Posted by: stirfry | March 29, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
At USA like as В-52 is in a considerable quantity, so ТУ-95 newer. Also do not forget that these planes bear cruise missiles with a nuclear fighting head and range of defeat of the purpose of 3000 km. In case of what any Awacs to you would not help. And so flight over an aircraft carrier grouping is included into the curriculum of our pilots. All good luck))
Posted by: Kos | March 30, 2009, 5:03 am 5:03 am
merica has no business parking 3 ships off NK shores to begin with. They were there to send a message to North Korea and Russia is sending a message back. In this case the word “Intercepted” is the wrong word, if the ship was buzzed by Russian aircraft then the correct statement would be… “We ran after them”. Bottom line, if Russian wants to scrap, America is powerless to stop it right now.
Posted by: James | April 11, 2009, 4:45 am 4:45 am