The Note, 3/13/09: Obama Push Gets Boost from First Lady
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BY RICK KLEIN
Who’s better at running an organization by himself — Tim Geithner or Michael Steele?
If the stock market is a lagging indicator of an economic recovery — what is a poll?
Which Obama allies will be harder to get on board for further stimulus funds — those foreign, or domestic?
Will Jon Stewart’s joust with Jim Cramer catch Cramer in a . . . crossfire? (Stewart: “I understand you want to make finance entertaining, but it’s not a [bleeping] game.”)
So as the White House gets action from one ally, it’s putting another one into action — the one, like President Bush’s closest ally, who always gets the biggest reception, no matter where she goes.
“It hurts. It hurts,” First Lady Michelle Obama told ABC’s Robin Roberts, on hearing about military families on food stamps. “These are people who are willing to send their loved ones off to, perhaps, give their lives — the ultimate sacrifice. But yet, they’re living back at home on food stamps. It’s not right, and it’s not where we should be as a nation.”
The White House is pushing back hard on the too-much-all-at-once narrative, and the first lady knows how to push back, hard yet gently.
Said the first lady: “There’s also people who say that he’s not doing enough, you know? So I think that’s part of the process. You know, we are at a time when we’re gonna have to try a lot of things. Some of it won’t work, some of them will. I think right now people understand that we’re gonna have to all work together and make a set of sacrifices. And they have faith — as I do — that our current commander-in-chief will see us through these times.”
“I believe in this nation, and I believe in my husband.”
On breaking in the new house: “We’ve had some guests who’ve broken some things, but not the kids. And they know who they are.” (And when Robin Roberts admired the results of her workouts: “Well, I covered my arms up.”)
This is a different face for an administration that wouldn’t mind a change in subject.
“With this series of events, she appears ready to step out as a more forceful advocate for her husband and his policies,” Washingtonpost.com’s Chris Cillizza writes on “The Fix” blog.
“Polling suggests a more active role for Michelle Obama will be greeted
warmly by the public. In a January Washington Post/ABC News survey, 72
percent of those polled said they had a favorable impression toward the
First Lady while just 17 percent felt unfavorably toward her.”
The AP headline: “Michelle Obama begins advocacy as first lady.”
Stepping out: “The trip to North Carolina was Mrs. Obama’s first
work trip outside of Washington, and she used it to focus attention on
the challenges faced by soldiers and their families in this time of
war. Supporting the military and their families is one of Mrs. Obama’s
priorities,” Rachel L. Swarns writes in The New York Times.
Nothing like an early, early makeover: “Earlier this year, the Obama
administration invited top editors of three of Washington’s local
luxury lifestyle magazines — Capitol File, DC magazine and Washington
Life — to a meeting where they discussed, among other things, how
President Obama and first lady Michelle Obama can embrace Washington’s
glittery social scene,” the Washington Times’ Stephanie Green reports.
While we’re talking allies — Robert Gibbs has a big one in taking on Jim Cramer.
Another “Crossfire” moment? Stewart vs. Cramer didn’t disappoint — and nobody captures a moment quite like Jon Stewart.
“I understand that you want to make finance entertaining, but it’s
not a f—– game,” Stewart told an uncharacteristically sheepish Jim
Cramer, on “The Daily Show” Thursday. “We’re both snake-oil salesmen to
a certain extent. . . .But we do label it ‘snake oil’ here.”
The Chicago Tribune’s Phil Rosenthal: “Stripped of his loud,
arm-waving hyperbolic TV persona, Cramer tried to defend himself,
apologized for some mistakes and said he would try to do better.”
“Jon Stewart nails the zeitgeist,” blogs Andrew Willis, of the Globe
and Mail. “For the YouTube generation, Mr. Stewart is issuing a call to
arms, against a system that went radically wrong. As someone who works
in the business media, the talk show host’s critiques are, to put it
mildly, food for thought.”
“It’s true: Jon Stewart has become Edward R. Murrow,” James Fallows
blogs for The Atlantic.
Maybe one reason why all of this matters: “Mr. Obama’s approval
ratings, while good, aren’t exceptionally high by historical standards
for a new president. His support has grown more polarized in recent
weeks, and people have noticeably more faith in the president himself
than in some of his programs,” Gerald F. Seib writes in his Wall Street
Journal column. “All told, the findings suggest the Obama forces hardly
have reason to panic. But they do indicate it’s likely to be important
for the president to be able to point to some signs of economic
improvement by later this year.”
Double-punch from the Journal: “It is simply wrong for commentators
to continue to focus on President Barack Obama’s high levels of
popularity, and to conclude that these are indicative of high levels of
public confidence in the work of his administration,” Doug Schoen and
Scott Rasmussen write in an op-ed. “Indeed, a detailed look at recent
survey data shows that the opposite is most likely true. The American
people are coming to express increasingly significant doubts about his
initiatives, and most likely support a different agenda and different
policies from those that the Obama administration has advanced.”
(And when does a harmless feature story about a staffer maybe reveal
just a little too much? “This is what my job is like. . . . It’s one
emergency after the next,” White House ethics adviser Norm Eisen tells
The Washington Post’s Eli Saslow.)
Over on that other political side — can Michael Steele survive?
(Probably.) Will he be a relevant force in GOP efforts in 2010?
(Probably not.) Will he last longer than that? (Almost certainly not.)
“Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele’s series of
gaffes turned into something more serious Thursday, as leaders of a
pillar of the GOP — the anti-abortion movement — shifted into open
revolt,” Politico’s Ben Smith reports. “The flap also added to worries
generated by a series of earlier, less policy-oriented statements,
ranging from insulting radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh to offering
‘slum love’ to Indian-American Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-La.).”
Was there no one on the Steele team that could stop the damaging
comments — from Tony Perkins, Mike Huckabee, and Ken Blackwell, among
others?
“Some conservatives are openly mulling whether the party’s first
black chairman should keep his job in the wake of a provocative
interview he did with GQ magazine,” USA Today’s Jill Lawrence writes.
The upshot: “It appears highly unlikely that there would be any
serious move to recall Mr. Steele, who is barely two months into a
two-year job. The political repercussions of replacing the party’s
first African-American chairman would be too severe, several Republican
leaders said, and there are no obvious candidates ready to take the
job,” The New York Times’ Adam Nagourney writes.
“Nonetheless, there were expressions of anguish over what many
Republicans described as Mr. Steele’s growing pains as he takes on the
role of leader of a party struggling to find its way after its defeat
in the November elections. This latest episode seems likely to diminish
his conservative credentials further, undercutting his ability to
present his case for his party and raise money,” he writes.
“Though some party activists may be dissatisfied with Steele, they
appear to be stuck with him for the foreseeable future, since RNC rules
set a high standard for ousting a sitting chairman,” The Boston Globe’s
Joseph Williams writes. “Several political analysts also said the board
that made history by electing its first African-American leader is
probably loathe to sack him just a few weeks into his tenure — a move
that would be a public-relations nightmare for a party struggling to
shed its lily-white image in the age of President Obama.”
(What matters more for his near-term fate — fundraising figures, or
the New York-20 House race? Was it an accident that a fundraising
pitch went out last night, subject line: “It’s time to set the record
straight.” That would be the president’s record, but still . . . )
The fallout: “Perhaps Steele is trying to remake the Republican
Party in his own image. Could be an effective big-tent strategy — if
he’d pick an image and stick with it,” Laura Vozzella writes in her
Baltimore Sun column.
“He’s become clownish. And that judgment could endure until the end
of his tenure,” The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder blogs (welcome back!).
“But it probably won’t. While Steele’s stock is lower than Citigroup’s
right now, his legacy will be most likely determined by whether he can
help Republicans begin to win elections again.”
A painful prescription, from Chris Kofinis, writing for The Hill:
“The time has come for the Republican Party, if it wants to survive as
a political party, to undergo an ideological vasectomy and cut off
(once and for all) these far-right voices. It will painful (unless
someone knows the equivalent of local anesthetic for a political
party), but it will save their party in the long run.”
Who doesn’t love when Gov. Ed Rendell plays pundit? “The people who
control the party — not the voters — but the people who control the
party are not going to allow ideological flexibility,” Rendell, D-Pa.,
said at a Christian Science Monitor lunch, per ABC’s Teddy Davis. “I
think Michael Steele’s days are numbered.”
On the subject of tough going: “Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner got
such a torrent of angry criticism from Republican senators today that
by the end of the hearing some Republicans lawmakers acknowledged how
‘tough’ and ‘intense’ it had been,” ABC’s Matthew Jaffe reports.
Said Sen. Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.: “If you do have a plan, you
haven’t persuaded us yet, and until you persuade us, confidence won’t
come back.”
Will Geithner be received better abroad? “President Obama, wildly
popular abroad throughout his presidential campaign, is walking into
one of his toughest sells yet on the international stage. But first,
his Treasury secretary faces the task of paving the way for Obama to
meet other world leaders at the G-20 in London on April 2,” The Hill’s
Silla Brush writes. “Obama has called on the G-20 nations, whose
finance ministers are set to meet in Britain starting Friday, to spend
hundreds of billions of dollars to stimulate a global economy that the
World Bank predicted would contract in 2009 for the first time since
World War II.”
Another one: “Democratic sources say that H. Rodgin Cohen, a partner
in the New York law firm Sullivan & Cromwell LLP, and the leading
candidate for Deputy Treasury Secretary, has withdrawn from
consideration,” ABC’s George Stephanopoulos reports. “It’s the third
withdrawal of a top Treasury Department staff pick in less than a
week.”
And maybe another one: “President Obama’s newly appointed chief
information officer is on leave from his post after an FBI raid
Thursday that resulted in the arrests of his former deputy and another
man in connection with a D.C. government bribery scandal,” Gary
Emerling and Christina Bellantoni write in the Washington Times.
“Authorities did not implicate Vivek Kundra in the scandal, but a White
House official said he was on leave ‘until further details become
known’ about the investigation into the D.C. Office of the Chief
Technology Officer, which Mr. Kundra headed from 2007 until this year.”
We can see earmarks from our house: “The omnibus spending bill that
President Barack Obama signed on Wednesday includes earmarks that [Gov.
Sarah] Palin sought,” Jonathan Stein and David Corn report for Mother
Jones. “According to Taxpayers for Common Sense, a Washington-based
watchdog group, Alaska will receive more money, per capita, from the
bill’s earmarks than any other state. (Alaska will pocket $209.71 for
each state resident.) One hundred earmarks in the bill, worth a total
of $143.9 million, are tagged for Palin’s state.”
New from the DNC: The “Party of No” clock.
Could it finally be coming to an end? (Not necessarily.) “The
marathon U.S. Senate trial sprinted down the homestretch Thursday as
DFLer Al Franken called his final witnesses and Republican Norm Coleman
posed his last challenges, setting the stage for judges to hear closing
arguments today,” Pat Doyle reports in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.
“After seven weeks of testimony and thousands of bits of evidence, the
end of the trial — if not the final outcome — is finally in sight.”
The Kicker:
“If you’re looking for a way to serve the country, join the Marines
or go to Treasury. I think they’re both very difficult.” — Sen.
Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., feeling a little bad for Treasury Secretary Tim
Geithner.
“Mr. Chairman, I would rather listen than to talk.” — Sen. Roland
Burris, D-Ill., giving his colleagues (and the public) the silent
treatment, per Roll Call’s “Heard on the Hill” column.
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So people are losing faith in Obama’s policies.
So his poll numbers are good, but not high compared to history of other presidents.
Interesting…
Posted by: Angie | March 13, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Miss never proud of America is suddenly proud to be an American.
Hypocrite.
Posted by: Grace | March 13, 2009, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Angie, your analysis is stupendous! And Grace, your pucker at the taste of those “Jan. 21, 2009 GRAPES” are sooooo revealing!
Posted by: bobj72 | March 13, 2009, 9:27 am 9:27 am
The First Lady said it correctly…
Some things will work in getting our Country back on track and some things will not work. Guess the Republicans will never see it that way… they are the ‘perfect party’ with nothing to say but ‘no’ – as they get their ‘pork’ to send back home! I hope and pray that our President’s plan(s) work and that I Country gets back on track soon – so the Republicans have to eat their words and actions.
Posted by: WindyCityLady | March 13, 2009, 9:30 am 9:30 am
She really makes me sick. She is proud of america now that her socialist husband is in control. What a joke they are. I feel for their girls.
Posted by: notafan | March 13, 2009, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Grace: you are a liar.
Posted by: William J. LePetomane | March 13, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am
notafan: if you are not a fan of America, maybe you should consider leaving the country and living somewhere else.
Posted by: William J. LePetomane | March 13, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am
With national guardsmen being called to active duty, people who hold private sector jobs while on standby, many servicemen take a pay cut when they go on full time military pay. There are already government gratuities like food stamps available to their families, so what’s the problem? We are being led down the primrose path by sales pitches for more spending and government growth. That means long term commitment to more spending. The sales pitches call out to either our fear or sympathy or both. I’d like to see something done about restless legs syndrone. Thank goodness they’ve come up with a pill. Who ever heard of restless legs syndrone before the commercials? Do we really need to create new and thought up ways to spend more? Aren’t there enough real and apparent needs we can address that will head off greater expenses if not addressed. As for seeing Michelle’s human side. Apparently she still doesn’t think much of the United States. Her husband’s pursuit of recklessly changing everything would indicate he doesn’t think enough of our constitutional government to respect the fact that it served us well for over 200 years. His distaste for America is so intense that he is willing to risk everyone’s future in the interest of pushing through his agenda.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Bobj72; Good morning. Welcome back. Shall we continue our conservative vs liberal viewpoint dicsussion concerning the economy?
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am
Hate and ignorance = Republican
Posted by: jim | March 13, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Since nobody discloses their political party here, we’ll have to guess….
Seems the republican bloggers read the article and discuss/summerize what’s written.
Seems the liberal bloggers only engage in personal attacks and name-calling.
What party equals hate and ignorance again, jim???
The proof is in the pudding…
Posted by: Kate | March 13, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am
Taxes, spending, socialism and holier than thou = Democrat
Posted by: chad | March 13, 2009, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Kate my dear, it goes BOTH ways. The negativity on this blog this morning is dreadful. (What else is new, right)
Spring is in one week! It is Friday. Oh, and Monroe, my restless leg syndrome hasn’t been very bad lately! Thanks for asking.
Posted by: scentsofroses | March 13, 2009, 10:20 am 10:20 am
er, Kate.
I’m a Democrat and I will be happy to summarize the article for you:
The wife of the President is calling our attention to the particular challenges faced by families with a husband or wife in the military. She answers the criticisims aimed at her husband by suggesting he is trying different things to address the recession, he may change tactics if they don’t work, and we should all be prepared for a very difficult time in our country. She reiterates her confidence in her husband and in our country. She demurs when the interviewer compliments her toned arms, which have received alot of attention recently. She makes a mild joke about visiors breaking things at the White House, suggesting the Obamas’ have entertained quite a bit. Mention is made in the article of the Obamas’ interest in participating in the Washington social scene, which the author of the article chooses to describe as “glittering.”
How’s that?
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am
I have to give kudos to Michelle Obama. She really has been doing a great job. I admit it. I don’t know who she hired or if she has been to acting coaches or psychologists but her personality and demeanor has really been positive post-election. Before she was always so sullen or even outright angry with America, with whites, etc. Now she seems almost happy and contented and positive about the USA. An amazing turn around. If only others in government could have a positive attitude towards things these days.
Posted by: Ed | March 13, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Why would Michelle Obama make you sick? Tell it like it Is, YOU Coward. If the shoes fit then this means you. Better yet, move to an Island somewhere and take your buddies and Fox News Channel with you. America is better than having you around. RACIST RATS
Posted by: sngeorgia | March 13, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am
now I will summarize mmonroeliveson’s post
mmonroeliveson acknowledges that national guardsmen and their families bear particular burdens, due to their service, but thinks the country is doing enough to offset their sacrifices.
He suspects Michelle Obama is eliciting our sympathy for military families as a cover for her husband’s socialistic policies. (I think these are increasing food stamp allotments, providing healthcare to everyone, and, maybe extending unemployment insurance to laid off workers?) I think this is what mmonroeliveson means by socialism, in this context, I could be wrong.
mmonroeliveson makes a funny analogy to how drug companies create a demand for a product by defining a new disease. The idea is that, Michelle is setting up the country to accept social programs by creating a perception there is a need for them.
mmonroeliveson closes by saying he thinks Obama is changing the country too fast, and against the priciples set forth in the constituition. He feels our future is endangered by Obama’s policies and he thinks Obama hates America.
How’s that?
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Since nobody discloses their political party here, we’ll have to guess….
Seems the republican bloggers read the article and discuss/summerize what’s written
Now, lets see what the republicans have to summarise and discuss this morning….Miss never proud of America is suddenly proud to be an American.
Hypocrite.
She really makes me sick. She is proud of america now that her socialist husband is in control. What a joke they are. I feel for their girls.
She really makes me sick. She is proud of america now that her socialist husband is in control. What a joke they are. I feel for their girls.
As for seeing Michelle’s human side. Apparently she still doesn’t think much of the United States. Her husband’s pursuit of recklessly changing everything would indicate he doesn’t think enough of our constitutional government to respect the fact that it served us well for over 200 years. His distaste for America is so intense that he is willing to risk everyone’s future in the interest of pushing through his agenda………………….
O.K. now that we are reminded of the insightful republican comments, who truly only care about our country and the current crisis.. I SALUTE YOU LOL..signed an independant, formally hard core Hillary supporter-who voted for President Obama
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am
I did not see GMA today — but was the interview a typical RR “softball” piece? When MO blathered on about military families (I did read a piece and apparently she’s amazed to find out military families move a lot. Who knew? Just about everyone…), did Robin Roberts point out to her that the president’s new budget wants to make vets pay themselves (through 3rd party insurance) for service-related injuries? Now that’s a way to show our appreciation!
Posted by: Beth | March 13, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Good Job Amy, Monroe is full of BS this morning….Who knew Monroe you would be standing shoulder to shoulder with Anne Coulter on restless leg syndrome…I suggest the next pill be for Restless Mouth syndrome, a true Pandemic, sweeping across our FRUITED plains….
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Amy; You did good.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am
But I guess the Constitution was served and respected when the repukes wire tapped Americans, sent our men and women to an unjust war based on lies, and ran our financial system in the “gutter”. Question your own “distaste” for America. Their smart daughters will be great in their generation….I bet they’ll be smart enough to know that Racism is based on Ignorance. I FEEL SORRY for you Children. They will be part of the “hate” America that You SPEWS. Afterall, kids learn from their parents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: sngeorgia | March 13, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
“What party equals hate and ignorance again, jim???”
Your’s. Or have you not been paying attention for the last 40 years? A handful of posters on one thread on one internet site on one morning does not make a good sample group. Just a heads up.
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Like a carefully choreographed and orchestrated ballet Pelosi, Reid, and Obama exited stage left with another $410 billion dollars of our children’ children’s children’s income as their audience of faithfuls broke into applause and another verse of “We are the Champions.”
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am
“Like a carefully choreographed and orchestrated ballet Pelosi, Reid, and Obama exited stage left with another $410 billion dollars of our children’ children’s children’s income as their audience of faithfuls broke into applause and another verse of “We are the Champions.”"
Yep. And we’ll see how everything shakes out. But by all means…let’s continue with the whole THE SKY IS FALLING!!! song and dance rather than giving things a chance to work.
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am
OK. this morning asian markets are up US markets are up, all of a sudden GM doesn’t need a bailout, Banks are refusing bailout money, Citibank, bank of america ect are showing a profit…so does that mean The Presidents policys are now a success? I guess if he got the blame before …he gets the credit now????
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
snGeorgia; You’re obsessed with the past while others are looking to the future. The future is my concern. I too share some of your views about the past that’s gone and done and doesn’t justify more of the same. But I didn’t support a lot of things then just as I don’t support a lot of things going on now. I see reckless spending and government growth continuing at a far greater pace than ever before while our manufacturing base, the forte of our economy shrinks. The combination spells disaster in the form of long term debt and resultant sacrifice by the taxpayers, both private citizens and businesses.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Thanks! I tried hard just to summarize. And I am a Democrat.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Monroe, ever have a day when that black cloud of pesimissim isn’t hanging over your head…show your optomistic side..there is a better day a comin,,,Hang on Sloopy….
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Ed, you perception of Michelle Obama before she became FIRST LADY was and is just that, a perception, neither right or wrong. But I’m confused… Michelle hated “whites”? Her mother in law was white and her husband was born to a White Lady….soo………what is “the amazing turn around”?
Posted by: sngeorgia | March 13, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
I despise a lot of whites, too.
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am
The irony of the whole thing is that Obama says he’s doing the things he’s doing for the benefit of future generations while the benefit will be negative. Of course, to his credit he never said positive benefit. As much as anyone alive, I do hope the economy has turned the corner and the spending will end. I’d like to think that the treasury would rethink spending the $2 trillion Geithner projected in February. Unfortunately, if the economy does start to recover Obama will take credit and use recovery as an excuse to escalate spending on his pet projects. As far as who gets credit, I’ll leave it to the historians to decide whether the economy recovered because of the things he’s done or in spite of the things he’s done.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
OK Monroe lets work on bringing our manufacturing base back, i agree 100% with you on that, i see it as a huge problem, lets start with some ideas on how to that…now would be a perfect opportunity for the government to throw some incentives toward start up businesses that actually produce a product…I saw first hand the expolsion of investors in private groups involved in putting up wind farms here..It was amazing..the problem in my eyes..the wind mills were being imported from Sweden,,at a milion a piece, we should be manufactoring them here..imagine the shipping costs..they come in one huge piece..we should be able to make them here cheaper..
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Well, you find flaw in his strategy, and clearly are going to mold whatever results to suit your own theory. If he’s successful, it will be in spite of his efforts. If he fails, it was because of his strategy. That much is obvious. You think you’ve got it figured out.
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am
cowgirl; It’s hard to be optimistic about a government that has screwed and tatooed its citizens and its allies for so many years, all the while pointing fingers elsewhere. I wish it weren’t so but the fact is the history of broken promises by our government has conditioned me to be less than trusting of whoever is at the helm but to a greater extent those who make the laws. We can’t stop progress especially when the vocal part of the public is cheering it on. Possibly my problem is that I can recall 40 years ago when a decent house cost less than $30K and a reliable piece of transportation cost less than $4K. Healthcare was affordable and available. We had the best educational system in the world and our neighborhoods were safe. (Wars and rumors of war are a standard feature of life as an American citizen.) Where did it go and who is responsible? Not one party and not any particular president. Congress approved it.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am
STUCK IN THE PAST….. Your past is a “beacon” that you measure your current course…..like we did that before and it didn’t work!!!! The forte of our economy “shrinked” began in the 1980′s, and escalated in the 1990′s, crashing in the 2000. The manufacturing jobs has been constantly shipping for 2 decades…..International Harvester used to be Hough, Johnson Motors used to hire thousands across America, just to name a few…….the “trickled-down” economy meant that the big corporations could move their companies to third world countries, and Americans could work in the vast amount of “service jobs” such as retail, and fast foods. The wages remain the same, while everything else goes up, creating a two class country of rich and poor. The middle class is now poor. I am proud that my parents worked one job at Hough in the 1970′s and afforded me a middle class life…..not anything extra, just the ability to make a living. Reckless spending in the Bush administration just drove it in a “gutter”. Now, the only thing to do is “prop” our economy up just as you would with a “leaning” bush. By the way, as in “trickled-down” have you tried and “planted” (growth) a tree up-side down and expected it to grow. This was not the way to a fair,strong and just economic nation. These times are a result of this. Wake up. The service jobs for Americans has left a hole also in the American family, latchkey kids, and uninvolved parents in the schools…why, because they have to work 2 jobs (husband and wife) just to keep up with the bare neccessities such as mortgage, lights and gas and the food bill, don’t talk about gas for work and the upkeep of their transportation. God forbid if something happens, then you have to “fight” to get a day off without the fear of being fired because of the “at will, non-union of these “service jobs. No, I don’t work in them, but I see and hear my neighbors, my clients, my friends everyday. This is not what our founding fathers had in mind for it’s citizens.
Posted by: sngeorgia | March 13, 2009, 11:56 am 11:56 am
“Where did it go and who is responsible?”
Perhaps it’s the nature of democracy/capitalism to ebb and flow? This country experienced a perfect storm of sorts following WWII. To expect that we should always be so thriving is to discount how unique that is/was. Free trade certainly hasn’t helped the current situation. Regardless, I think some people have unreal expectations of things, simply for having hit the genetic lottery and being born in the right place at the right time.
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
bacon > beacon
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
cowgirl; Manufacturing facilities, if they are to compete with the rest of the world need a desireable useful product, inexpensive raw materials for manufacture, cheap (and grateful, dedicated) labor, inexpensive fuel to power production and distribution, overall low operating expenses, and enough profit to attract investors. Where do you want to start? You suggest windmills as the product. Do windmills meet the qualifications or will environmentalists continue to scream at the thought of uglying up the horizons? As I understand the feasability of wind power the problem is that using existing technology and material design, windmills are worn out before the initial investment is recovered in energy cost savings.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
I won’t take issue with your rendition of the past..what is different in my view, is that the american people now have a bigger role that can be played..but it all boils down to attitude and a willingness not to just complain and say “my voice doesn’t make a difference” but to take the time to participate…we as a whole are the most powerful lobbying group, I spend alot of time e-mailing my senators congress and state reps..i want to be a positive thorn in their side, I give it to the speaker of the house when i disagree, yes if its only me, no one is going to listen, but if enough voices say the same thing…I DO see a difference..too often its just the naysayers and the angry voices, I support them when I approve as well as disaprove…The internet is the tool to being involved easily, you can be the informed electorate..This is a new day and a new way..If we PARTICIPATE
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
sngeorgia; Our founding fathers were worried whether it would rain enough or not too much, if there would be a late freeze that killed this years crop and whether there would be a plague that killed off most of the population. They worried about whether the olde horse and buggy would break down during their three hour trip to church and back. And then there were those pesky indians. Then too there was the new frontier with unlimited resources, minimal government, unbridled hope, newfound personal freedom, citizens rights and independence. We’ve come a long way since the times of our founding fathers.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Yep. And we’ll see how everything shakes out. But by all means…let’s continue with the whole THE SKY IS FALLING!!! song and dance rather than giving things a chance to work.
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silky,
Hmmmmmm….. sky is falling????
I am getting old, but It seems to me it was Obama running to every microphone he could find for the first month of his presidency telling everyone the CRISIS would become a CATASTROPE if we did not get his “stimulator” passed!
Now, economists who HAVE had the time to analyze it are telling us it will not “create/save” 3.5 million jobs.
AND… They are very disappointed that he & Geithner have not brought forth the details of the plan for the banking system!
They have graded the O & G team as FAILURES at this point for fair and valid reasons!
Perhaps he should have stayed focused on the real priorities, rahter trying to show how he could multitask us into oblivion!
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Windmills pay for themselves in the first year, they have a life span of ten years..Employ hundreds of workers across a wide spectrum, high wages..the colleges here have started programs in conjunction with and sponsored by the power companies to train workers to service the windmills..Its huge, and I live in a state where enviromentalists roam free…Look they payed a rancher a million dollars to lease this land where 80 windmills went up…he still grazes his cattle on and around the windmills..this is basically sage brush land…The federal goverenment owns thousands of acres of desert and unproductive land in the middle of no where, that they can lease to private companies and generate income to pay down the debt…give tax incentives to the companies that build these solar farms..its a capital intensive business to begin with, but investment groups are having no problem getting private capital for these wind farms,investors are clamoring to get in..You need windy areas to put them, only drawback, but they are working on technology to put them in the ocean, where tides are constant..there is a future there…
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
“Perhaps he should have stayed focused on the real priorities, rahter trying to show how he could multitask us into oblivion!”
Not the dreaded m word! Please, tell me what priorities are more important than stimulating the economy, saving and creating jobs and health care? Oh, that’s right, invading countries who pose no threat to us whatsoever.
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
“You need windy areas to put them, only drawback, but they are working on technology to put them in the ocean, where tides are constant..there is a future there…”
I’ve always wondered how long before a practical means was uncovered to harness energy from tidal movement.
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Now that science and technology are given a place at the table..we are going to be moving an shaking as a country..it was the new ideas and inventions that moved us to the top of the pack during the industrial age..we were a country of unfettered ideas and dreams..I am sure that most of the country thought edison was a quack..JFK said others see the world and say WHY, and i see the world and say WHY NOT..and thats the attitude we need to come back to..I am sick of hearing what we CAN’T do i want to hear people talk about what america CAN do..now pull your lips up and start thinking that way
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
GO COWGIRL! Wow, just what I wanted to start hearing again. You have a very positive attitude and spirit. We are all going to need to be that way to become what we once were and and can become again.
I have children just trying to keep their heads up above the water. They are intelligent and innovative. They need to have a positive attitude to go out and make a difference. Thank you Cowgirl for mirroring what I to believe.
Posted by: scentsofroses | March 13, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Really, mmonroeliveson, it doesn’t seem fair you have already decided if the economy turns around, its no thanks to Obama’s policies, and if it continues to decline, it is the fault of Obama’s policies.
But I think you aren’t willing to credit Obama if things improve because you remain convinced Obama’s aim is to make helpless children of American citizens. That we will become dependent on the government lose our incentive to achieve.
It’s funny, because I have the opposite emotional reaction to Obama. I feel our country is energized by his leadership, headed in a better direction. It isn’t that I am so close to the edge I need that $13 dollars a week (well, I can use it) or expect to “get something” from Obama’s policies, it’s more that I feel we finally have a competent chief executive, someone with the right temperment and judgment, a really bright guy who is patient and flexible enough to handle this economic crisis. I haven’t trusted or respected our chief executives in a long, long, time. I am reveling in our new administraion.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Focusing on military families is one of the first lady’s priorities.
Who as a self-proclaimed PATRIOT could have an issue with this?
Perhaps it’s those fools that talk out of both sides of their mouth.
Mrs. Obama was moved by the struggles of the military families that she met during her visit to Fort Bragg on Thursday. Showing empathy for those she describes “people who are willing to send their loved ones off to perhaps give their lives, the ultimate sacrifice, yet they’re living back at home on food stamps. It’s not right and it’s not where we should be as a nation.”
I am impressed and proud of the first lady’s interest in the young warriors and their families of this nation.
You should be too.
Posted by: Captain McAllister, USN, (ret.) | March 13, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
That was my point….time has changed…nothing remains the same. So for the old, has-being ideology of a certain party….that failed miserable, time has come. The naysayers and the stuck on stupid crowd feel it raining on their heads, and choose to ask, “what rain”.
Posted by: sngeorgia | March 13, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Look, its a new day in America, we can make the most of it, or the least of it..I am excited about the possibilities and the new potetial of america..The election is over..Quit rehashing it and get on with the new business..Its up to each of us to put the country back on its feet, I am SO SICK of hearing the whining..I want to hear what part YOU are going to play in making it a better country.
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Francophiles, et al are SO proud
of the earnest efforts by President Obama and Mrs.Obama by focusing on real issues.
Posted by: gus amaral | March 13, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
“It seems to me it was Obama running to every microphone he could find for the first month of his presidency telling everyone the CRISIS would become a CATASTROPE if we did not get his “stimulator” passed! Now, economists who HAVE had the time to analyze it…have graded the O & G team as FAILURES at this point for fair and valid reasons!”
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Mike C. -
Are you talking out of your arse?
To back your limited understanding of the present economic picture, please
provide us with a specific economist[s] when trying to hammer your misguided overgeneralizations.
Posted by: gus amaral | March 13, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
News Alert
from the Rush Limbaugh fan club.
In response to Mrs. Obama’s military family efforts —
“we shouldn’t be giving handouts to those who are not reponsible enough to not rely on govt.”
“why should my tax dollars go to support those who are too lazy to support their families.” (while they are in a combat zone in Iraq or Afghanistan)
“More socialism/socialism has infested the military.”
Posted by: Dominique | March 13, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Mrs Obama is a fine person, who demonstrates for us citizens what our responsibilities are to each other because we are citizens. I think she’s a fine first lady. I also liked Mrs Bush very much as well, a person who seemed to never be anything but nice.
As a people we are blessed to have such people as fellow citizens. Keep up the good works Mrs Obama, be a light to us.
— Bob
Posted by: Bob | March 13, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
cowgirl, it was only my perception but a lot of other people also had the perception that Michelle “had a chip on her shoulder”. Besides her comments (never proud of America, etc) and her decision to let Rev.Wright baptise their children, marry them, and preach to them it was a general impression when I watched Michelle at rallys, debates, and conventions. I never said she “hated” anyone but had some animosity and anger towards the USA and towards whites in general. She almost always looked like she could barely contain her bitterness or anger, especially when white people were talking. At othertimes she had pursed lips and a sullen, resentful look even while during the obligatory clapping after someone’s speech. Now she is all smiles and positive and more outgoing and, dare I say it, charming to people, including Americans or white folks. Just an impression but I think handlers talked to her or, maybe, she had a change of heart now that Obama won? Not sure.
Posted by: Ed | March 13, 2009, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Would that Stewart would go after Frank and Dodd, people with real and bad influence on the economy, rather than a commentator on it. Glass-Steagal? Bring it back!
Come to think of it, the economy really started to “tank” when the Democrats took control of Congress and the purse strings of the country.
A coincidence, surely.
Posted by: Dimsdale | March 13, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
ED, I will admit, I had the same impression during the primarys, I wondered how that was going to work for america..but then i remembered there were many times i was not proud of the way america has acted over those 200 years, towards all kinds of people..the Indians, the japanese, every tide of immigrant and african americans…So then i thought..maybe i understand what she is saying…Maybe the election showed her a truth she didn’t really believe existed..that for ALL our flaws, the majority of us..have learned to get over it…
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Thank you, Captain McAllister. The volunteer atmosphere in which many of the “kids” on this board grew up (without serving a day for their country, of course)has not served them well in understanding Military life. Personally, I would like to see the draft reinstated and a lot less National Guard Service men and women on active duty. Do your two years and move on and gain some first hand knowledge of what a “Patriot” is.
Posted by: Chuck | March 13, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Hey ED 1:09 PM -
‘People see what they want to see’
Regarding one’s perceptions of other people’s expressions, at the most 70% of the time are they accurate… at least that’s what the psychologists report from the NIH.
For those who have personally met the first lady, they report her to be affable, interested and most kind.
Posted by: gus amaral | March 13, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
I think what impresses me most, is what a great family they are, they are loving and at ease with each other, their kids are bright happy self confident & spirited, and they represent the best of america, the family values folks should be thrilled..I am personally impressed, and hope it rubs off on the rest of america.
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
Ed
I watched the Democratic convention, and, to me, Michelle Obama looked down right scared at times. I think what you might have read as sullen, might have been nervousness. I agree, I wanted to see her happy and smiling more. It might be a cultural thing, we expect to see politician’s wives smile. I felt anxious when Michelle didn’t look happy.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Amy; I don’t think it’s fair for you to assume anything about how I feel. I’ve expressed discontent and distrust because I’ve been conditioned to not trust by being led by liars and I think the means to the ends Obama is trying to accomplish could be different in that I don’t want to see government control of every aspect of our personal lives and businesses. I feel this way for your sake as well as everyone elses. Personally I don’t have needs that government intervention will affect drastically. But my family does have a dog in the fight. The future is theirs. There are other ways to get things done. Do we need affordable and available healthcare for everyone? Of course we do. Likewise education. My philosophy is that by restoring power to the states, if government guidelines are necessary then OK, we as a nation can have many new ideas interjected, what works and doesn’t work can be tried and proven and adopted by those states that need a better program for their people, and we can do it with a lot less expense, maybe even with better ideas without limiting the possiblilities for the entire country with mandated guidelines and qualifiers. When the states were in charge of education we were the best educated people in the world. Only since the fed gov took over has our level of educational success declined. Insurance companies and the legal profession are largely responsible for the unaffordability of healthcare in my opinion. Leaving ambulance chasers and insurance companies in the picture will keep expenses high. We need tort reform and insurance, not government takeover of the healthcare industry. We need private sector jobs and I don’t have any idea how to improve the decline without lowering the overall quality of life in America. Maybe settling for a more realistic level of gratification would be a step in the right direction. Only private sector jobs feed the government without the government first investing in the worker. What the government gets back from government jobs is only a trickle of what they spend to employ government workers. As for Michelle it seems to have been good for her attitude becoming first lady, receiving coaching, getting away from the old school trash talk she was exposed to in church, whatever. She now seems much more positive. Thank goodness!
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
For anyone who has lost it in the financial market and is sitting here with a stack of zeroed out 401Ks on their desk…as i am..please watch the daily show episode last night with Kramer on..Stewart spoke for US..I really enjoyed it..now back to that stack on my desk..the 000k
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
I’ve heard of the devices that extract electric power from tidal flow. That’s a great idea for coastal areas where much of our population is centered. As I recall, there’s a small town somewhere in south or central america that gets its power from the tides. The drawback there is saltwater corrosion. not trying to be negative. The technology sounds wonderful and should be pursued. Just needs some fine tuning.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Cowgirl; Speaking of how Americans have treated certain segments of our population, newcomers, blacks, indians, Japanese during WWII, we are herd animals and herd animals are constantly reestablishing the pecking order. that is human nature. Probably will never change.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Obama is making the right decisions. People comment they are not seeing success already, thereby deeming him a failure. If we had elected McCain, the Reds would have been given a total of twelve years to try to get it right. Lets give Obama some time to work it out. At least he might succeed. The Republicans will never be able to make it work.
Posted by: rwrsok | March 13, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Hydro electric power resulting from tidal cycles exists in the UK.
Posted by: rwrsok | March 13, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
I voted for Obama but Michelle is fake.
In fact, I did not vote for his reckless spending and the one tax cheat after another he appoints to cabinet positions.
I am unhappy about his BS with earmarks and his lying about lobbyists.
I thought he was not a radical socialist Marxist.
I was wrong.
I will not vote for Obama again
Posted by: Midwest Lady | March 13, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Chuck; I’d like to think that nobody should have to experience war. That’s when the draft is activated. However mandatory military service has proven to be a great way to establish pride, respect, allegiance, discipline and responsibile behavior in a country’s youth.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Hey,
MICHELLE OBAMA MAKES ME SICK, TOO!!!
It was bad enough with her “finally proud of America stuff”
What a photo op that NOBODY except ultra-Kool-Aid drinkers buys.
She should ask her husband what’s up with spending cuts for military and why military have to get 3rd party insurance.
Obama and his spend, spend, spend policies are a disgrace.
Michelle Obama and her association with the Reverend Wright are a disgrace.
Deal with it Obamabots
Posted by: Patriot | March 13, 2009, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
“.it seems to have been good for her attitude becoming first lady, receiving coaching, getting away from the old school trash talk she was exposed to in church, whatever.”
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Mrs. Obama is a highly accomplished, educated woman. An attorney employed in education, city government and public service prior to scaling back to focus on her family. The Obama’s were living in the Hyde Park section of Chicago — well known for it’s peaceful racially & culturally integrated community since the mid 1900′s, with large number of residents affiliated with the University of Chicago — a world renouned university.
I’m sure the initial exposure to the national public stage takes a short adjustment time for anyone. I admire Mrs. Obama’s ability to have overcome that quickly and eloquently.
She is an elegant first lady.
I am so proud of her.
Posted by: univ. of chicago girl | March 13, 2009, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
“…we are herd animals and herd animals are constantly reestablishing the pecking order. that is human nature.”
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You being a ‘herd animal’ and all – that explains the cowflaps that fall around some of your comments.
Human beings, contrary to your claims, have spent most of their time on the planet as hunter-gatherers. From at least 85,000 years ago to the birth of agriculture around 73,000 years later, they combined hunted meat with gathered vegetables.
Posted by: gus amaral | March 13, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
“I think the means to the ends Obama is trying to accomplish could be different in that I don’t want to see government control of every aspect of our personal lives and businesses.”
What evidence do you have that Obama is trying to do any such thing? I don’t think its fair of you to project this wish to rob Americans of their freedom onto Obama, when he hasn’t indicated any such desire. In what way is he trying to control you?
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
Not the dreaded m word! Please, tell me what priorities are more important than stimulating the economy, saving and creating jobs and health care? Oh, that’s right, invading countries who pose no threat to us whatsoever.
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silky ,
Yep, another BRILLIANT observation by a liberal. In case you hadn’t noticed, by sheer defintion priorities have an order!
Try reading the WSJ article. The point they are making is the FIRST & ONLY priority is to get banking system fixed. Without that in place, the rest is window dressing at best!
They have what a couple of dozen unfilled positions over there at Treasury that OBAMA MUST have nominees for. Why is he spending time on other things when he has not put a team in place yet at the treasury? Geithner is stumbling all over the place. Gee…healthcare can wait a few weeks while we get the really critical stuff in place!
He sure seemed to stayed focused and on message for the first 4 weeks when he wanted to the “stimulator” pushed through Congress. Why hasn’t he stayed on point like that with the treasury?
Now I realize that for you its more fun to fire of the usual liberal talking points and blame Bush for everything, ignore the fact that todays probelms were created by peopel on BOTH sides of the aisle, but try to keep your mind focus on reality for a few moments.
The WSJ article is talking about a group of nearly 50 people who agree on the fact that not having a plan for the banking system in place is their biggest problem with Obama. They are also saying that the “stimulator” can not “create/save” 3.5 million jobs.
I beleive we are still waitng on the administration to make up its mind about the F22 and the 95,000 AMERICAN jobs that CAN be saved with a relative pocket change in todays terms. I guess I dont understand why we are holding back on that one, after all that level of funding qualifies for the Chuckie Schummer rule!
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Obamabots,
Didn’t she have some sweetheart job for like 350 K at a Chicago hospital as a result of her husband’s crooked dealings with convicted felon Tony Rezko?
Sooner or later, your Obama hero worship bubble will burst.
Michelle, are you proud of America now that your SPEND, SPEND, SPEND husband is top dog?
Who wants to cut military budget?
Posted by: Sam Adams | March 13, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
I think the means to the ends Obama is trying to accomplish could be different in that I don’t want to see government control of every aspect of our personal lives and businesses.”
What evidence do you have that Obama is trying to do any such thing? I don’t think its fair of you to project this wish to rob Americans of their freedom onto Obama, when he hasn’t indicated any such desire. In what way is he trying to control you?
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Amy in Maine,
Sounds just as fair as all the liberal whining and crying of how their contituional right were destroyed under Bush. Yet somehow they could never supply how their rights were ever violated. Interesting how that stuff tends to come back around on ya huh?
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Monroe, I have a herd of 20 mares, I watched and participated in the whole animal pecking order and believe me, its so simular to people it’s laughable..Animals don’t complicate it..Its all about survival, she at the top gets first choice, she at the bottom is scrambling to get enough food which is why I always have to throw out extra food…The real knock down dragouts come when you add a new mare to the herd…usually its a war at the bottom, the lowest finally sees an opportunity to move up..or fall further down the line, serious injurys occur..Or if you add a dominant leader..its a war at the top..actually I am at the top..because they know I provide the food and without me…there is nothing to fight over…AND I am a lean mean feeding machine…
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
Mike…what constitutional right has been violated since he took office????
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
“It seems to me it was Obama running to every microphone he could find for the first month of his presidency telling everyone the CRISIS would become a CATASTROPE if we did not get his “stimulator” passed! Now, economists who HAVE had the time to analyze it…have graded the O & G team as FAILURES at this point for fair and valid reasons!”
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Mike C. -
Are you talking out of your arse?
To back your limited understanding of the present economic picture, please
provide us with a specific economist[s] when trying to hammer your misguided overgeneralizations.
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gus amaral,
Gus ty for proving your commplete and total ignorance. I take it you missed the headlines on the WSJ article…
Well…rather than throw back stupid comments that do indeed prove your inbility to even run a quick net search before you insert your feet in mouth…
TRY READING!!!!!!!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123671107124286261.html
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
“Only private sector jobs feed the government without the government first investing in the worker.”
monroeliveson you seem to have an endless supply of generalizations based on your ideology, and little else.
I have worked for big corporations that invested little to nothing in their workers, from not offering a pension plan to not offering health insurance. I have worked for little companies that
struggled to give us a Christmas bonus and would have given us health insurance, but they couldn’t afford it.
The private sector cannot or will not provide employees with healtcare, child care or education. That is the role of our government; the government of the people, for the people, and by the people.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Mike…what constitutional right has been violated since he took office????
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cowgirl ,
The very same one that Bush violated!
Duh…..Sarcasm, quite the concept aint it!
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Mike_C
Don’t get me started on Bush/Cheney. I hate those criminals.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Mike …The WSJ is a self serving SOB…they have skin in the game…so what do they think the first thing is that needs to be fixed???Duh, fact is The president has to deal with all of the holes in the dam..he doesn’t have the LUXURY of just fixing one, and hey you Tards..you broke it..you fix it..you are just lucky I am not the president…then you would have something to cry about…
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
“Deal with it Obamabots”
Not that I’m an “Obamabot”, but I think you’re referring to rationally thinking people with this. What exactly am I supposed to “deal with” again?
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
The private sector cannot or will not provide employees with healtcare, child care or education. That is the role of our government; the government of the people, for the people, and by the people.
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Amy,
Exactly wehere in Maine are you….30 miles east of Eastport?
Last time I looked, the education in my town was paid for by ME and my fellow tax payers. Is there some federal monies, yes…but ceratinly nowhere near 100% of it!!!!!
By the way, exactly how did this great country ever become great? Was it because the govt “provided” everything for the people? Time for you to read a few history books!
Another bright idea….I want the government to provde child care now. Lets see..exactly what ammendment is that one in?
well…I think there might be some nations on this planet that can give you what you want. Feel free to go find them. Leave this country to the people not the government!
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
gus; Yeah they hunted in packs and established pecking orders before they decided to live in cities in side by side cubicles stacked in layers and establish pecking orders. Herd animal is human nature and pecking order is a facet of being in herds. Bleet!
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
I don’t think you have been waterboarded since he took office..He hasn’t added new powers to the presidency that are not gaurenteed under the constitution has he(aka bush) ..So where are you going with train of thought besides off the tracks
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
Mike …The WSJ is a self serving SOB…they have skin in the game…so what do they think the first thing is that needs to be fixed???Duh, fact is The president has to deal with all of the holes in the dam..he doesn’t have the LUXURY of just fixing one, and hey you Tards..you broke it..you fix it..you are just lucky I am not the president…then you would have something to cry about…
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cowgirl ,
Yep, another Olbermann liberal zombie.
Darlin…TRY READING THE ARTICLE!!!
I realize your brain may only have one or two cells left for real data, but try it.
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
I don’t think you have been waterboarded since he took office..He hasn’t added new powers to the presidency that are not gaurenteed under the constitution has he(aka bush) ..So where are you going with train of thought besides off the tracks
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cowgirl,
you really can’t keep up can you. The point was not about detainees. It was about the regular everday citizen. Liberals like yourself were here day in & day out saying how THEIR right were being violated. Yet, THEY could never say how THEIR rights were being violated.
Duh….get it now ?
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Another bright idea….I want the government to provde child care now. Lets see..exactly what ammendment is that one in? Mike, that would be the one that authorises congress to make laws about the “welfare” of their citizens…right there in the ole constitution…200 years ago
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Duh…I get it now! Mike_C, you are the most sexually repressed poster I’ve seen since dave. Although, you clearly are in much dire straights. Sex is impairative for mental health. Pass the hat if you must, but for the love of GOD, do something about that. Your bitterness is corrosive and is going to eat you alive.
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Amy; I don’t know why I even try to intelligently discuss issues with you. You obviously want the federal government to make the rich people and businesses PROVIDE things for you. I don’t want anything from them beyond national security because I don’t want to owe them anything and don’t want them to tell me what I have to do to qualify. I didn’t say government shouldn’t be involved in the provision of healthcare. In fact I stopped just short of saying the government should be involved rather than leaving insurance companies in the mix. What I don’t like is the idea of the FEDERAL government taking over the control of the healthcare industry and protecting insurance companies and ambulance chasers. The STATES could come up with better, more efficient and less expensive healthcare systems with the same money left at state level instead of being eaten up by a big bureaucracy before coming back to the states in trickle amount. Aren’t you the ones who want to get rid of trickle down economics. Let’s get it on then. Leave the money in the states. As for your question about Obama’s takeover I’m making direct reference to healthcare and education. The government has enough control when it says I can’t ride my motorcycle without a helmet or drive my car without a seatbelt. And why do these laws exist? It’s not to protect me. The government doesn’t give a rat’s hindey about me. It’s for the benefit of insurance companies. Wake up. Question the bonds that restrict you.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
“Liberals like yourself were here day in & day out saying how THEIR right were being violated.”
I never heard liberals saying any such thing. People who I know who spoke about Bush’s policy of “its legal if I say its legal” objected to the President running rough shod over the principles in our constitution, i.e. we believe it is unconstitutional to hold prisoners without trials, to ship prisoners overseas to be tortured, and to wiretap American citizens without a warrant. Some people thinks this makes America look “weak” to the rest of the world. To me, our system of justice is our strength, it is not a some kind of pretty ornament we take off when we want to get tough. The government should not have the power to jail, torture and wiretap people it considers its enemies, otherwise that power will eventually be abused, dissent will be quashed, and we will no longer be the the brave and the free. Bush/Cheney, and YOU, apparently, don’t seem to understand this. Obama does.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Well Mike..you haven’t offered any “REAL” data since you have been on here…LOL
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Mike_C; Don’t be too critical of government child care. We need those mothers out there working and paying taxes to support all those government programs and without having to watch those little ones every day, maybe we can get them off the welfare scrolls.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Good grief, Silky!
The whole world knows you are an Obama paid socialist Marxist blogger.
You deal with the fact your hero has lied about EVERYTHING
48 hours, five days
no earmarks
no lobbyists in my administration
tax cheats galore appointed to cabinet
Today he said things aren’t so bad, last week it was pass my pork now or its doomsday
People are getting tired of the BO BS Silky.
Deal with the Obama bubble bursting.
Is Michelle proud of America yet?
Who wants to slash military budget Silky the paid Obama blogger?
Posted by: Sam Adams | March 13, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Monroe..if you would quit falling off your motorcycle and hurting yourself..my insurance premiums wouldn’t be soooo high…..Add to that the states would just tax us for health care and all the things the feds do now..is that really a solution??? States like NC wouldn’t provide for its citizens sooo????
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Cowgirl is another Obamabot fool.
Hey socialist loser on welfare -
What’s up with Barry and :
48 hours, five days
Line by Line
No Earmarks
No Lobbyists in my administration
Tax Cheats galore as cabinet appointments
Reckless, reckless, reckless spending on important PORK projects for Pelosi and Reid
Should we keep going, Cowgirl?
Obama should be impeached. You and Silky should leave the country.
Posted by: John Hancock | March 13, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
“Deal with the Obama bubble bursting.”
I don’t get it. What is bursting?
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
Chinese came out today and said they are sick of US (Obama) spending spree…
Obama is a national disaster in less then 50 days.
He has a hard time with the truth about
48 hours, five days
Tax cheats
Lobbyists
Earmarks
One day is a catastrophe and the next day we are doing good.
Liberals cannot even defend his lies on this blog anymore.
They know he lies so they revert back to BUSH BAD for because they know
0-bama is well on his way to impeachment for utter incompetency
Posted by: Not Liberal and Proud | March 13, 2009, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
“You obviously want the federal government to make the rich people and businesses PROVIDE things for you.”
No, I said, I realize businesses can’t or won’t provide health care, child care or education. But, somebody has to. Otherwise, only the rich will live and the poor will die, as the song goes, and only the upper income folks will have well educated and well cared for children. As it is in many third world countries throughout the world. I happen to believe it will benefit us as a country to have better schools, widely available health care and, yes, help for teen parents like Bristol Palin, trying to raise babies while barely being able to support themselves. It isn’t “socialism,” it isn’t about being “nice” to undeserving people, its about having basic structures in our society in place that free people to start their own business, change jobs without worrying about coverage, decide to have a parent stay home and raise the children, etc. Believe me, the richest people and the corporations can only benefit when these basic needs are met.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Comrade Silky,
check out Rasmussen Obama polls
he is dropping like a rock
he ain’t no 86% whatever no more ‘bro
spending like a fool is getting him in trouble
and his socialist Marxist re-distributionist policies
the class warfare he instigates
tax the rich
the people are catching on to the USED CAR SALESMAN FROM CHICAGO, capital of corruption
Is Michelle proud of America yet, Silky?
Posted by: John Hancock | March 13, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
“Another bright idea….I want the government to provde child care now. Lets see..exactly what ammendment is that one in? Mike, that would be the one that authorises congress to make laws about the “welfare” of their citizens…right there in the ole constitution…200 years ago”
cowgirl,
If you want the government to provide you wirth everything…hooray. If you want America to be the “Land of Entitlement”…good for you!
I would love for the goverment to just give me 10 million dollars and then i’ll take of my own welfare. Somehow i dont think anyone is going to defend my “consitituational” right to that!
That is why that general welfare clause has always been a huge source of debate.
did you notice…in the preamble how its worded…
“promote the general welfare”
In article 8….
“provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States”
very different interpretations can be derived here.
It is a stretch at best to say that this clause leads you to the government providing childcare!
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Amy; I’m all for national security. Whatever it takes, even if I have to relinquish some rights to wiretaps. I have nothing to hide. Why are wiretaps so offensive to you when we are fighting a darn near unidentifiable enemy in terrorism? As far as waterboarding is concerned, governments have been using waterboarding tactics dating back to the Roman Empire. Do you prefer humane torture methods? We’re up against an enemy that has no rules beyond “there are no rules.” Wouldn’t a level playing field seem to be in order?
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Silky,
You never did address Obama’s multitude of shameful and blatant lies
Start with 48 hours and five days.
What happened there, comrade?
Posted by: John Hancock | March 13, 2009, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Duh…I get it now! Mike_C, you are the most sexually repressed poster I’ve seen since dave. Although, you clearly are in much dire straights. Sex is impairative for mental health. Pass the hat if you must, but for the love of GOD, do something about that. Your bitterness is corrosive and is going to eat you alive.
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silky,
LOL…you seem to have an issue there boy. Not sure exactly how you derive sex from this discussion, but since you cant formulate anything else…well…enjoy yourself by all means
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Hancock, Revere, sam adams, and boo hoo: No one is going to give you a serious answer…until you have a serious question..
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Enjoy the weekend!!!!!!
Posted by: Mike_C | March 13, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Amy; I suppose it would be futile for me to suggest that doctors and hospitals are the ones who used to PROVIDE healthcare before lawyers and insurance companies started getting pieces of the action. Simply stated, I’d like to see some consideration for the Hippocratic Oath restored rather than having the government bully everyone around.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
I’m all for national security. Whatever it takes, even if I have to relinquish some rights to wiretaps. I have nothing to hide. Why are wiretaps so offensive to you when we are fighting a darn near unidentifiable enemy in terrorism? As far as waterboarding is concerned, governments have been using waterboarding tactics dating back to the Roman Empire. Do you prefer humane torture methods? We’re up against an enemy that has no rules beyond “there are no rules.” Wouldn’t a level playing field seem to be in order? Shame on YOU MONROE..>>>I could take the things you say and turn them on you in a court of law…and praying on those same fears of “needing to be protected” convince a jury ..you were a threat to our society….you should know better..you who are always complaining about too much government in our lives…SHAME SHAME SHAME
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Silky..you must have touched a nerve with Mike…liked the consequences tho, thanks
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
mmonroeliveson
A Walmart employee recently turned in a customer who brought a videotape to the store, to be transcribed on to a disc. The employee was alarmed by what he saw on the video – guys who seemed to be undergoing paramilitary training. After a sleepless night, the employee decided to report what he saw to the FBI, and good thing he did, because it turned out those creeps had been planning an attack on an army base.
What are the odds the employee would have alerted the authorities if he thought these guys would likely be shipped overseas to be tortured? He wasn’t sure if what he saw was real, or if it could be a harmless game. But he trusted in our system of justice, he trusted the FBI wouldn’t just “disappear” the accused, and that is a big part of America’s strength. I am sorry you don’t understand that, or can’t imagine how easily an authoritarian government could turn warrentless wiretapping, torture and imprisonment without trial on future dissenters (including Republicans?)
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
How can people worry about waterboarding when we execute our own citizens, when we recruit our youth for warfare and train them to kill and send them into harm’s way and decorate them for being the best trained killers in the bunch? It sort of makes sense if you consider we argue over what methods of execution are humane and whether slitting chickens throats in a processing plant is a humane way to kill food.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
Sounds like Mike has “welfare Envy”..don’t you think asking for 10 million is a bit much???
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Don’t call me a Republican! I’m not. Reserve your slurs for people that deserve them. I subscribe to no party’s political stance.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Amy; Nice sea story but I doubt that WalMart employee had any thoughts beyond looking out for his/her own butt.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Monroe..so does this mean you are advocating we stoop to beheading people as a means to terrify enemies who are obviously NOT terrified of beheadings..who willingly blow themselves up in the name of religion?..In other words screw civilization…we need to act like we just crawled out of the cave??? Are you NUTS..what do you think seperates us from the cuckoo people??? go to the back of the class monroe..and work your way back up..If it comes down to it..I will protect you from the bad guys…
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
cowgirl; All is fair in love and war. Don’t ask about the rest of the story.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
mmonroeliveson
yeah, it wouldn’t have occured to you to report what you saw on the video, because you’d be like, “whatever!”
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Something tells me monroeliveson got his idenitity stolen again at 4:03:07, unless its Miller time in, where is he? Georgia?
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
MY THIRST IS RAPIDLY STRENGTHENING!!!
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Monroe….the rest of the story is…what you see when you look in the mirror…Did that person do the “right” thing-no matter what anyone else does or says..only YOU will know the answer..If the answer you get back is: Well I won didn’t I , then you are a part of the reason we are in the posistion we are in today..you followed the crowd.
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
hey, Silky, as I was walking to work today, I was thinking “I should use my $13.00 a week towards supporting my local pub, like Silky. That’s putting the money to work at the grass root level.” Your influence is lifting all our boats.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
I’m all about keeping it in the local economy. My friend owns the bar where I spend it, then he takes me out to his country club once every few weeks and I win it back. Its totally organic.
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
I don’t know why you all wait til the weekend to drink…the CODE OF THE WEST is anytimes a good time….
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
I went out West once! And it was wild.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Cowgirl; We already did that. What do you call it when a CIA operative walks into a Vietnamese village and asks to speak to the leader, then puts a gun to his head and says “which ones are the Cong?” No response. BAM! “OK, who’s second in charge. How about the standing order at Mai Lai “If it moves kill it.” How about door gunners in helicopters competing for kill counts with as much regard for who they were killing as if playing Pac Man? What you need as a dose of the reality of war. On second thought you couldn’t cut it. When the enemy is doing it to your buddies and trying to do it to you, the high regard for what’s fair becomes way less significant. Some of us drag it around with us in the dark corners of our minds and wake up screaming. Sorry to paint the picture but you and a lot of others need to understand what it is to be sent into such an arena. Only the baddest of the bad and the luckiest walk out. Nobody there is relying on luck. That leaves bad.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Mike C -
Regarding your retort and reference to the ONE source for overall economist opinion:
It depends on what rag you read, and the political spin on the views.
Indeed, even somewhat liberal Paul Krugman is cautious, undoubtedly correct when he asserts that the addition of 3.5 million jobs two years from now will not be enough to close a gaping and widening economic wound. No one can doubt that Obama will need to return to Congress for a second stimulus package. The politics of doing that will not be easy, so Paul’s advice and continuing focus on the severity of the recession and the credit crisis is immensely helpful.
We need to keep aware and support the efforts of the administration.
One critisicm & question posed this week is: Does the administration realize that it isnt doing enough?
The administration has voiced an open mind and is ready to do what it believes is needed to revive the economy. President Obama told the NYT: “A stronger jobs market is going to depend on a whole range of factors, including the policies pursued by other countries.”
He was crystal clear, his economic team are only too aware of the need to constantly review and reshape policy. But they are also aware of the complex politics and febrile state of markets and the fickle nature of public opinion. Uncertainty about Congressional behavior is one of the principal reasons why Obama’s political skills remain critical to the outcome.
An economist who sensibly remains determined not to enter government, continues as a public servant and make the intellectual case for informed, intelligent and effective economic actions by government is indispensible.
The President recognizes that there are big uncertainties and that neither he nor those immediately around him have all the answers. Six weeks in to his term, criticizing him and his team for being behind the curve does not make much sense.
Posted by: gus amaral | March 13, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
“I don’t know why you all wait til the weekend to drink…the CODE OF THE WEST is anytimes a good time….”
I’m with you. My code has always been, “Any chump can booze it up on the weekend.”
Posted by: silky | March 13, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
In my absence I missed the most stimulating ‘conversation’ today:
Pubs.
Posted by: gus amaral | March 13, 2009, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Silky…thats right, and keep your boots on…in case you have to run…
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
“..What do you call it when a CIA operative walks into a Vietnamese village and asks to speak to the leader, then puts a gun to his head and says “which ones are the Cong?” No response. BAM! “OK, who’s second in charge.”
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mmonroeliveson- you sound a bit like
you need a pub visit.
Posted by: gus amaral | March 13, 2009, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
cowgirl; Did I do the right thing? I’m still here to tell about it.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 13, 2009, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
It wasn’t “how the west was won” it was how it was “run”…good ole bunkhouse logic kept many a cowboy alive..I can’t tell you how many i know that can dive out a window with their clothes in their hand their hat and boots on and be going 9-0..make a navy seal proud..
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
I’m off for my Cognac*, Dave.
*FRENCH!
Posted by: gus amaral | March 13, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
gus amaral
yes, we started partying without you, but I still enjoyed your 4:53:36 post.
Very thoughtful.
Posted by: Amy in Maine | March 13, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm
Monroe..thats not my question to answer..I have answered mine to my own satisfaction..
Posted by: cowgirl | March 13, 2009, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
cowgirl; Me to. I like me. It wasn’t my idea to go to war. Did what was necessary in the service of my country like many before and after me, having been sent into harm’s way. Succeeded in coming home only to be chastized by bleeding heart liberal draft dodger wooses. Thank you for your support.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 14, 2009, 7:55 am 7:55 am
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | Mar 14, 2009 7:55:10 AM
Monroe, if only you Would limit your comments to specifics, e.g., “It wasn’t my idea to go to war. Did what was necessary in the service of my country like many before and after me, having been sent into harm’s way.”
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Since you clearly understand how “Unpopular” the Viet Nam war was, accept that and the sentiments of many who have since come to appreciate the patroitism of our troops – in that war. Why aggravate a sensitive discussion by belittling the opposition and closing your comment with a ‘sharp jab.’ (Fortunately you didn’t deliver the type of ‘body blow’ you’re capable of!)
When you open up your discussion day with highly controversial comments, you seem to be inviting challenges. (When you ‘play this role’, I see you as being the “Hard Line, Far Right Edge” conservative antagonist.)
On other occasions you attempt to assume the role of the “Independent thinking, fiscal conservative – social moderate” who is bipartisan and presents himself as a member of the intelligencia.
For those of us who consistently ‘hang-out around here’ these two (2) roles are inconsistent and conflicting. I, for one (I try not to speak for others) – I seek consistency in the political positions of others; proponents and opponents. For me, that’s why inconsistencies in policy positions, philosophy or practices warrant challenge, if not outright disrespect and agressive attack!
Posted by: bobj72 | March 14, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Posted by: Ed | Mar 13, 2009 1:09:51 PM
Ed, unfortunately you said; ……. it is only MY PERCEPTION but a lot of OTHER PEOPLE also had the perception that Michelle “HAD A CHIP ON HER SHOULDER.” Besides her comments (NEVER PROUD OF AMERICA, ETC) and her decision to let Rev. Wright BAPTISE THEIR CHILDREN, MARRY THEM, AND PREACH TO THEM IT WAS A GENERAL IMPRESSION when I watched Michelle at rallys, debates, and conventions. I NEVER SAID SHE “HATED” ANYONE but had some ANIMOSITY AND ANGER TOWARDS THE USA AND TOWARDS WHITES IN GENERAL. She ALMOST ALWAYS LOOKED LIKE she could barely contain her bitterness or anger, especially when white people were talking. At othertimes she had PURSED LIPS AND A SULLEN, RESENTFUL LOOK even while during the obligatory clapping after someone’s speech. NOW SHE IS ALL SMILES AND POSITIVE AND MORE OUTGOING AND, DARE I SAY IT, CHARMING TO PEOPLE, INCLUDING AMERICANS OR WHITE FOLKS. Just an impression but I think her handlers talked to her or, maybe, she had a change of heart now that Obama won? Not sure.
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For Information purposes; I have Capitalized the most pertinent comments for clarity and emphasis of ED’S REMARKS.
I AM SHOCKED!!! At the STUPID, HATEFUL, Ugly, Bigoted, remarks directed towards Mrs. Michelle Obama (or any other Black Woman, for that matter.) Ed, you obviously assumed you were making a statement which was acceptable to “Other Hooded Sheet Wearing, Racist Scum of your kind!”
You attempt to bolster your Racist View using the term, “Other people also had the perception.” WHAT OTHER PEOPLE? Your family or other members of the Klan?
I can only imagine how uncomfortable, it’s been for everyone having such a STUPIDASS, open and expressive comment on this board. I know two (2) of the Ladies engaged on ‘the board’ challenged your embarrassing comment.
I refuse to Challenge or chastise Monroe on this matter, too taxing.
But for the record, let it be known; It has been acknowledged in the general African American community that the Biggest Threat to President Obama’s Election, WAS NOT the President. It was the 1st Lady, a Highly Intelligent, Accomplished Professional, Assertive and AN OBVIOUSLY BLACK WOMAN. A Black Woman who can’t be mistaken for a Mulatto, a Bi-Racial or a Caramel Colored person with “close genetic ties” to her mixed heritage. (You did know that 90% + of us have mixed heritage, didn’t you. And it’s NOT something many of us are proud of.)
And while you make a concerted effort to TOLERATE a Bi-Racial President, even though many of you “Dream of gunning him down!” I can ONLY IMAGINE what you Racist Pigs would Dream of doing to this Beautiful Black Princess of a Woman!!!
This IS NOT a question of comparison’s and contrast’s in educational achievement, experiences, preparedness, ability, vision or consideration of the “balance of the playing field.”
Here are some of YOUR PROBLEMS, THAT YOU MUST FACE; “We Know You, but You Don’t Know Us.” You brought us here and over some 400 years your lust for “Black Thighs” pro-created the African American of today. Early on, you Forced Us to Acculturate into your society, and we were compelled to “Work hard to be better than you, if we wanted to compete.”
But still, you don’t know us, you don’t understand our Dreams, you have no idea how we ‘protect the fact’ that we long to be everyone’s Brother, everyone’s Sister. You’re familiar with our Music, but you can’t ‘feel our rhythms.’ You’re ‘out of sync with our Poetry and our Oratory. You have absolutely NO IDEA how or why our Dance is so graceful, spontaneous and artistic. AREN’T YOU AWARE??? …….. “Man is Fearful of that which he Does Not Know!”
Don’t forget, your entire comment is Ignorant, Offensive and Unacceptable to the common decency, respectability and pride of any Black Person. “Now go run and tell that!”
Posted by: bobj72 | March 14, 2009, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
BobJ…your post made my eyes well up with tears…it was moving to say the least..The thing i would like to say, not in defense of Mr.Ed,but a reflection, that maybe this is what President Obama and Ron Brown meant, we don’t want to be afraid to have this dialogue..the people who are just blatantly offensively racist should be ignored, but those who are just honest about their feelings….maybe can be reached, and here is where we have to make that effort..to find a way to acknowledge their feelings, but to help them by having that conversation..I marched for civil rights-because i believed it was the right thing to do- and MLK has been my life long inspiration in all that i do and in the way I think, and yet because I supported hillary Clinton in the primarys-I constantly was accused of being a racist-go figure-I have never made a racist comment in my life..If I don’t like someone-I just plain don’t like them-for reasons other than that..I am constantly amazed that people in this day still have those issues-and maybe that made me part of the problem..I can tell you, the day Barrack Obama was elected, tears were streaming down my face and all i could think of was MLK smiling down on us all..
Posted by: cowgirl | March 14, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
“cowgirl” you and I have much in common. I too, marched with MLK, Jr. in my hometown of San Diego, CA in the 60′s. And I, too originally supported Hillary (as did most of my friends & associates, here in Dallas, TX) up until the South Carolina Primary. Yes, and I too had tears ‘streaming down my face’ the night of Nov. 8, 2008.
As regards this “Ed – YaHoo”, it never fails; “The TONE of the discussion changes dramatically when you have a Diverse Group ‘sitting around the table.’” And in an Open Forum such as this, we must ALL be vigilent, so as NOT TO allow ANY DISCRIMINATORY LANGUAGE to go UNCHECKED. That applies to race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual preference (even if that one pains me) and I even include age discrimination.) You see, from my real-world experiences, Nothing can be relied upon more than ‘this saying’; “ACQUIESENCE IS ACCEPTANCE!” (“If the first spark goes unchecked, it’s GUARANTEED….. it WILL progress to an UNCONTROLLABLE RAGING FIRE!”) “Hatred relies upon the tacit Agreement Of Silence.”
OBTW, I think you meant Eric Holder,
the new U.S. Atty Gen’l and The President re: The Discussion Our nation needs to have. Not Ron Brown, he was in Pres. Clinton’s Cabinet, and died in airplane crash returning to the U.S. from a diplomatic mission to Africa.
Posted by: bobj72 | March 14, 2009, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
The woman has class, brains and is articulate!
I think we are all better served with her presence, especially as first lady!
Posted by: Darryl the Contractor | March 15, 2009, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm
bobj72, if you ever run for public office, you’ll have my vote!
Posted by: Darryl the Contractor | March 15, 2009, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
dang it, I think because eric holder reminds me of ron brown and both served in the clinton admin…I do remember RB was sec. of commerce..I might have had my first senior moment..or at least the first i will admit too…I know what you are saying about being silent….and i agree, but i always have that picture in my mind of Martin, marching with his head up, eyes on the prize, not being distracted by the god awful things being screamed at him, being pushed shoved spit on, and NEVER losing his dignity and never screaming back at them what filty white trash they were…he was a shining example of his own words..he was true to himself and to his belief that your cause could be won by a common cause, a common purpose, and a peaceful protest, not lowering your standards to respond in kind to hateful words..I am not 1/100th the person he was..but i sure aspire to that level, The civil war couldn’t bring about that change..no amount of killing and bloodshed could. and in the end everything martin hoped for came to pass. The racists are dinosaurs from the past..they show up here, I think to get us to pay attention and respond to them..so most of the time, i just like to make fun of them or ignore them, cause that is what they want- is a response..and I will be damned if I will acknowledge that their voice has any meaning..The other people aren’t out and out racists..they have feelings of unease and probably don’t in their own minds think they are racists..There are always going to be those people..the nice part is: They are now the minority class..
Posted by: cowgirl | March 15, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
I really do appreciate the exchange. (It really does have a great deal of merit.) And, “Darryl the Contractor” “Thanks” for the vote of confidence. But I’ve been committed to a lifetime of being a “foot soldier.” The forte My Lord armed me with is the “desire and ability” to “effectively interact with, and positively influence the behavior of others.”
Now to really ‘open up the discussion on race’, the major obstacle we ALL need to “face into” ISN’T the ‘Die-Hard, Died-in-the-wool White Racist, who would offer up his weekly paycheck, twice each month to re-institute “Pure 1930′s Southern Segregation.”
The segments of our overall society we need to be aware of, and those which desperately need to be addressed are “The Silent Killer’s” these are grouping of folks (racial, ethnic, religion and political) who CHOOSE not to have an ‘Openly Public Agenda!’ The exist “below the surface.” And they are NOT exclusive to any race or ethnicity. The KKK is fast becoming a “relic of an embarrassing past.”
They’re now being replaced by Neo-Nazi’s and other organized White Supremist’s groups, with a consistent agenda, Anti-Simites, references to “mud-people” (anyone who’s other than WASP.) They recruit heavily in public and the web is as important to them, as is prison-yard recruiting.
Another major area of concern is the rampant growth of “Gangs” (whose primary aims and enterprises are; Armed Robbery (including banks-primarily Asian Gangs) drugs, prostitution, etc. The others are Black (African American), African (2 or 3 different nations), Multi-Hspanic/Latino (So. American) and Multi-Asian (Chinese, Korean and Viet Namese.)
Beyond these gangs are societal problems which result from the formulation of Ghetto’s; “Predator Syndrome”, Neighborhood Crime – which often ‘spills over’ into larger urban areas. The cultures are typically “Internal” and do not encourage ‘venturing out’ or experiencing interactions with ‘outsiders.’ This signals a dangerous situation with the larger society and renders the Public Education Systems virtually ineffective. (There are economic implications here, but they are, for the most part secondary to other major issues which are in need of being addressed.) These Ghetto Issues are Primarily relegated to the lower socio-economic classes (exclude Poor Whites, from this part of my analysis.) So we should concentrate primarily on the “lower class” of the socio-economic scheme; Blacks, Hispanics/Latino’s, Viet Namese and Korean. Inherent in these groupings are a “Tribal Instinct” which is an “Us, against all others”, which is in direct conflict with “The coming together of the races.” Furthermore, Mankind tends to “Fear” that which he does NOT Know! And how does ONE come to know another, if he spends his “all of his growing-up years in a Bubble?”
So, even for those fortunate enough to ‘escape these ghetto’s’ they generally have become “sufficiently un-socialized” as to NOT be open to the potential of experiencing any “Meaningful” interracial exchanges. These Black people, essentially must be re-socialized (or re-assimilated) into the larger society. There is a similar possibility for the Hispanic/Latino, but we have a long, long, long way to go with the lower classes of the Asian segment of our population. (It’s been suggested that the Asian middle-class and up, will effectively acculturate into the larger society within 1 and no more than 2 generations.)
What I’m essentially saying here is; That “Hard Core” prejudice, may or may not be overcome at some point in time. But we do need to “Reach Out” to those of all races and ethnicities who are “Borderline” and are influenced by the party that poses the ‘most effective argument’, based on ‘the target’s intellectual capacity.
Oh, I forgot to share with you; There as many ‘Black Bigots’ out there as there are ‘White Bigots’, and ‘Hispanic Bigots’ and ‘Asian Bigots.’ “There really IS NO EXCLUSIVITY on “Hatred and Bigotry.” It’s ONLY Economically Beneficial for the “Have Bigots” they can “Protect their Turf.” It does Absolutely Nothing….. for the “Have Not Bigots!” “They Have NO Turf.”
Posted by: bobj72 | March 15, 2009, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm
Ha, so you’re are in effect saying..there is a Wall Street on the back streets of america..corruption greed back stabbing and working your turf…So..is the end result that you can’t educate your way out of it??It seems to me, since we are a country built on immigrants-this has always existed..The Italians, the Irish,the chinease, the polish, religious groups, have at one time or another all occupied this space…what changed that dynamic?
Posted by: cowgirl | March 15, 2009, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
It seems to me, the most logical approach would first be to “contain” the ‘general problem’ encompassing all the groups. Can we educate our way out of this ‘tawdry mess?’ Sure we can. But first, the gangs must be made to ‘release their stranglehold on their neighborhoods.’
We can “shrink” the problem over time through “tough law enforcement” and a desire to implement an effective public education system. The ‘barriers to learning’; language deficiencies and single-parent homes also have to be addressed and overcome.
“What changed the immigrant dynamic?”
The dynamic was changed by two (2) major risks that were added to the problem, and that’s the two (2) non-immigrant groups have now been added to ‘the mix’; “The perennially Poor” African American and White classes. Beyond that, the other major risk is the “heavily armed” drug carel’s desire and ability to “creep into Our Country fom Mexico.”
Posted by: bobj72 | March 16, 2009, 10:06 am 10:06 am