The Note, 3/17/09: Risk Exposure — AIG bonuses leave Obama one step ahead of public rage
By RICK KLEIN Outrage? Check. Blame? Check Words? Check. Solutions? We’ll get back to you on that. You don’t have to check any definitions here to realize that President Obama is playing with matches — maybe the same brand that lit his own campaign fire. Even card-carrying members of the Republican cabal recognize the political power of these bonuses going to AIG executives — the ones whose contracts could not be questioned, taxpayer bailouts notwithstanding. The danger here for Obama is that his administration suddenly looks just like President Bush’s: at best, playing sideline critic as Wall Street gets its money — and public outrage boils. In this environment — until or unless the bonuses are canceled — is it possible to imagine the president getting another set of cash set aside to bail out big banks? How about another stimulus package? How about his budget? And healthcare and cap-and-trade and education reform? “President Obama’s apparent inability to block executive bonuses at insurance giant AIG has dealt a sharp blow to his young administration and is threatening to derail both public and congressional support for his ambitious political agenda,” Michael D. Shear and Paul Kane write in The Washington Post. “Politicians in both parties flocked to express outrage over $165 million in bonuses paid out to executives at the company, demanding answers from the president and swamping yesterday’s rollout of his efforts to spark lending to small businesses. The populist anger at the executives who ran their firms into the ground is increasingly blowing back on Obama, whom aides yesterday described as having little recourse in the face of legal contracts that guaranteed those bonuses.” Flash back two weeks: “Yes,” said White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, asked by ABC’s Jake Tapper whether “you guys know what happened to the previous billions before you hand over this next $30 billion.” They will know now — we presume. And Obama’s in a tough spot — if he can’t cancel the payments, the question that comes up will be, what can he do? Does he get it? “These spectacles, the public rhetorical floggings, have become teleplays, as predictable as a daytime soap opera, as comforting as a wet rock,” Time’s Michael Scherer writes. “As the event wore on, even Obama did not seem that into it, a surprising misfire for a politician who has long excelled at always striking the right tone at public appearances.” Huffington Post pulls out the big, red, all-caps, bold-faced font: “OBAMA ADMINISTRATION ABOUT-FACE ON AIG” What can be done? “But as anger from lawmakers escalated and criticism of the retention bonuses overshadowed other news for a second consecutive day, White House and Treasury officials offered only a general sense of how they would carry out Mr. Obama’s order and few explanations for why they had not acted earlier,” Edmund L. Andrews and Jackie Calmes write in The New York Times. “The Treasury and Federal Reserve officials said they had known about the bonus program as far back as last fall,” they write. “The program has provoked public protests from a handful of critics and at least one Democratic lawmaker in Congress — Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, a member of the House Committee on Government Oversight, who demanded without success in December that A.I.G. provide information about the bonuses.” (One possibility: the value of the bonuses are deducted from future cash infusions.) “You bail it out, you own it,” Mother Jones’ David Corn writes. “Though these rewards were set up by contracts established before the feds showered AIG with taxpayer dollars, the Obama administration is in a position to get blasted for this. After all, it’s hard for the Obama White House to defend shoring up AIG with $170 billion in money from the Federal Reserve while its executives are scoring big.” “These stories are going to absolutely hammer this administration. We need to get what is the plan on the table, to heal the patient. Otherwise, we’re going to have one of these stories every single day,” Tom Friedman said on ABC’s “Good Morning America” Tuesday. (And don’t miss his “Airplane” reference . . . ) Why you hear hollow ringing: “Several prominent Democrats are pointing out that Obama aides were more than willing to press auto workers to renegotiate contracts as a condition of bailouts for car companies — but are now citing the sanctity of contracts in AIG bonuses,” per ABC News. “It betrays the exact problem that people are angry at — that there’s one set of rules for Wall Street and Washington and another set of rules for everybody else,” says liberal activist and author David Sirota. “There is no public confidence in the process, and until you can restore that confidence, I think you’re just lighting money on fire,” says FireDogLake’s Jane Hamsher, on ABC NewsNOW’s Politics Live. Not a huge drop — but remember who thinks polls are important: “A new poll by the independent Pew Research Center for the People & the Press has found that President Barack Obama’s popular support is eroding, with his approval rating dropping below 60 percent,” per McClatchy’s Steven Thomma. “Its new survey finds Obama’s approval rating falling to 59 percent from 64 percent in February. It also finds the ranks of Americans who disapprove of the president’s job performance rising, to 26 percent from 17 percent.” Another piece of the argument, from The Wall Street Journal editorial page: “Given that the government has never defined ‘systemic risk,’ we’re also starting to wonder exactly which system American taxpayers are paying to protect. It’s not capitalism, in which risk-takers suffer the consequences of bad decisions. And in some cases it’s not even American. The U.S. government is now in the business of distributing foreign aid to offshore financiers, laundered through a once-great American company.” What does this do to the next bailout that’s needed: “The criticism reflected not just the rising anger over the bonuses, but also the question the flap poses for the president and Congress: how to continue with plans to rescue the economy — which could include billions more dollars in taxpayer money to shore up banks and other interests — in the face of growing public disgust with corporate America,” per USA Today. “News of the bonuses has threatened to stir a populist backlash against the rescue of AIG and other financial services, which in turn could raise voter concerns that the administration is squandering taxpayer money,” Peter Nicholas and Janet Hook write in the Los Angeles Times. From the annals of post-partisanship, Gibbs, on Vice President Dick Cheney: “I guess Rush Limbaugh was busy, so they trotted out the next most popular member of the Republican cabal.” Even more from those same annals: “A spokesman for Americans United for Change said the group had consulted on strategy with Jim Messina, a White House deputy chief of staff and former Obama campaign official,” per Nicholas and Hook. “In addition, consultations on passing the president’s budget have been taking place between MoveOn.org and the White House public liaison office, headed by Valerie Jarrett, a close friend of the president.” What the team is struggling to explain to its members: “The White House did not immediately explain how it might stop the $165 million in bonuses, or why it didn’t restrict the payments before giving AIG the latest round of taxpayer support,” The Boston Globe’s Michael Kranish writes. Plus: “Obama’s pledge yesterday stood in contrast to comments a day earlier by his chief economic adviser, Lawrence Summers, who said that the government could not simply order the company to violate the contracts.” The suggestion from Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa: “I would suggest that the first thing that would make me feel a little bit better towards them [is] if they would follow the Japanese example and come before the American people and take that deep bow and say I’m sorry and then either do one of two things: resign or go commit suicide.” What was Monday’s message supposed to be, again? “The reality is that the Obama team can be every bit as reactive and improvisational as any other political operation. And recent weeks have revealed some of the Obama operation’s signature tricks for fighting back when Washington storylines throw the president on defense,” Politico’s Jonathan Martin writes. The president needs a way out of this: “The confusion that seemed to mark the White House’s AIG response Monday illustrates the bind that Mr. Obama finds himself in. He needs to convince Americans he shares their mounting fury over the hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars being pumped into companies like AIG. At the same time, he needs the executives and employees of those companies to help the government untangle the current financial mess,” Jonathan Weisman, Sudeep Reddy, and Liam Pleven write in The Wall Street Journal. Next front: “AIG Chief Executive Officer Edward Liddy will face a passel of angry lawmakers at a House Financial Services subcommittee hearing Wednesday,” Roll Call reports. What else might we learn? AIG “may have to reveal more details of $165 million of bonus payouts after criticism by President Barack Obama and New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo,” per Bloomberg’s Karen Freifeld and Hugh Son. Another new front: “Some Wall Street firms are looking for ways to sidestep tough new federal caps on compensation,” Kate Kelly and David Enrich write in The Wall Street Journal. “In response to expected bonus restrictions, officials at Citigroup Inc., Morgan Stanley and other financial institutions that got government aid are discussing increasing base salaries for some executives and other top-producing employees.” A float: “President Obama is considering a series of short televised addresses similar to Franklin Roosevelt’s fireside chats. Press Secretary Robert Gibbs has told the television networks that the administration may request more time than usual for a president. Gibbs did not provide a schedule but described the addresses as lasting about 10 minutes each,” Slate’s John Dickerson reports. How will this cut? “President Obama is expected to name his first candidate to an appeals court seat this week, officials said, choosing David F. Hamilton, a highly regarded federal trial court judge from Indiana, for the appeals court in Chicago,” Neil Lewis reports in The New York Times. “The administration official said part of the reason for making the Hamilton nomination the administration’s first public entry into the often contentious field of judicial selection was to serve ‘as a kind of signal’ about the kind of nominees Mr. Obama will select.” On Tuesday — happy St. Patrick’s Day. The president holds a budget meeting with top congressional Democrats, with comments to come at 9:40 am ET. Then it’s St. Patrick’s Day festivities: Obama and Vice President Joe Biden will meet with the Taoiseach of Ireland, Brian Cowen, in the Oval Office, at 10:50 am. Then comes a Shamrock Ceremony, and a meeting with Northern Ireland First Minister Peter Robinson and Northern Ireland Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness. Then it’s House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s St. Patrick’s Day lunch, and evening St. Patrick’s Day receptions in the White House East Room and the State Dining Room. Also Tuesday: It’s John McCain, the Twinterview (or is it Twitterview?). Call it what you want, but ABC’s George Stephanopoulos interviews Sen. McCain via Twitter — 140 characters or less for all the postings — at noon ET. Elsewhere on the Tuesday calendar, 4 pm ET at the National Press Club: “Cindy McCain and Tom Daschle will join ONE members from across the country at an award ceremony in Washington, D.C. honoring the global anti-poverty organization,” per the press release. It’s the White House v. Cheney (and no, not about Scooter Libby this time). “Gibbs’s comments reflected the administration’s pique over Cheney’s wide-ranging remarks made Sunday on CNN, his first televised interview since leaving office,” Scott Wilson writes in The Washington Post. “The former vice president, deeply unpopular in opinion polls, accused the young administration of using the abysmal economy to push through a broad and liberal expansion of government and strongly defended Bush-era policies at home and abroad. The back-and-forth represented a political opportunity for the Obama administration, despite its pledges to avoid partisan confrontation.” “Asked if he meant to be so harsh to a former vice president, Mr. Gibbs didn’t back down,” Christina Bellantoni writes in the Washington Times. “Sometimes I ask forgiveness rather than permission,” Gibbs said. “I hope my sarcasm didn’t mask the seriousness of the answer.” (Former President Bush gives a closed-press speech Tuesday, in Calgary, Canada. Look for anti-war protesters — yes, still.) In the Stewart v. Cramer bracket, fallout: ” ‘The Daily Show’ host Jon Stewart’s attack on the nation’s business media and his blistering showdown last week with CNBC anchor Jim Cramer could be another nail in the coffin of the mainstream media,” The Boston Globe’s Peter Canellos writes in his column. “It’s the second time this decade that the mainstream media have been accused of sleeping on the job. The first was the alleged failure to closely scrutinize the case for war in Iraq.” Bob Shrum is worried about Obama’s prospects of achieving healthcare reform: “We’re told Obama won’t stop Congress if it decides to tax employee health coverage. That masterfully kills the proposal without offending its champions. Most liberal Democrats oppose it; Republicans say they won’t go along unless Obama explicitly advocates it,” he writes for The Week. “However, this episode reflects a wider danger — the tendency of Democrats to break ranks far more readily than Republicans do under a new President.” Speaking of match-ups: “President Barack Obama. And Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. Is this a very early pre-season matchup for 2012, at least moneywise?” asks Andrew Malcolm, in his Los Angeles Times blog. The Kicker: “I am choked up with anger here.” — President Obama, coughing over his script in denouncing the AIG bailouts. “I’m like, ‘Kiss my fat ass!’” — Meghan McCain, tussling with Laura Ingraham, on “The View.” “Can I say ‘lighten up,’ or is that offensive too?” — Ingraham, in response, on her radio show. Follow The Note on Twitter: http://twitter.com/thenote For up-to-the-minute political updates check out The Note’s blog . . . all day every day:
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I thought that the bailout money (TRILLIONS of Dollars) was going to create work. Not allow someone else get it to fu-k us. Well we should be use to it by now since Democrats created the welfare moms who have been screwing working Americans to.
Posted by: Democrat | March 17, 2009, 8:09 am 8:09 am
Just to Common senses: Bonus means some extra pay, right?
Extra – for Extra done? Right?
Should depend on performance? – Common sense.
So, when performance is in Minus should not bonuses have the same minus in front of ammount ?
Just by definition.
Do not see any contadiction
with their contract : Your bonus just with Minus in front. So, open Your walet and pay back for bad performance.
I guess, we all agree to get that payment back.
Posted by: Linda,Fl | March 17, 2009, 8:26 am 8:26 am
Bigger problem here, yes? Remember the old saying “When you borrow a thousand dollars, the bank owns you. When you borrow a million dollars, you own the bank.”
Maybe Sen. Shelby is right – let ‘em go. As long as AIG and Citibank think they are on top, and then are able to keep proving it, we are screwed.
I like Obama, and am in fact now wearing the T-Shirt I got for the campaign contribution, but I gotta say – you better fix this one Mr. President. Wrong is wrong, and big wrong don’t make it any more right….
Posted by: Steve From NH | March 17, 2009, 8:37 am 8:37 am
Obama is trying to cover his back in his “outrage” directed at AIG. I blame those outraged congressmen, who allowed this company and others to become so huge that they’re propped up no matter the performance. How many of them including Obama received contributions from AIG subsidiaries? Now, a lot of grandstanding is taking place.
Posted by: Vivi | March 17, 2009, 8:38 am 8:38 am
This could still blow up in Obama’s face. He needs to make a real grandstanding show about getting those bonuses back…
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Posted by: matt | March 17, 2009, 8:45 am 8:45 am
We do not need the government to be able to fix AIG. AIG is an insurance company. We the people are their customers. Like all customers we have a way to show a company how upset we are, and a way to drive them to change.
CANCEL
If people call to express their indignation and cancel then they will start to hear us. If enough people and organizations cancel, they will not be too big to fail anymore will they? I know canceling in reality may not be that easy because ther are paid out in advance. Play stupid. Call AIG and ask them when your policy is up because you intend to cancel when it is up. If you have a 401k with them, call to ask for information about transferring your funds out. Always let them know why. If your employer uses some of their services call or send a letter asking why they are still with them and if they plan to switch. Get others you work with to do the same. Heck, even if you know you are tied to something you can not get out of, call and ask what you can do and threaten to cancel anyway.
We the people just have to stop looking to others who have agendas of their own, and take action ourselves.
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Posted by: FederalistBlogs | March 17, 2009, 9:01 am 9:01 am
LOL!!
Obama’s administration “suddenly” looks a lot like Bush’s?!
Obama has his guy at Treasury – who was one of the top 3 in Bush’s team. He supported Bush bailouts with his Senate votes, and has repeated the same broken Bush bailout policies.
He’s even parroting McCain’s “fundamentals of the economy are sound” line that he ridiculed on the campaign trail. Well, actually, he’s never really left the campaign trail, but that’s an aside…
Nope, there was no “change” at all, but there is still a lot of audacious hope that Bush’s policies will (eventually) work for Obama if he spends more.
And more.
And more…
Posted by: Jon Do | March 17, 2009, 9:12 am 9:12 am
I think Tim Geithner has a huge conflict of interest. He has to choose between doing what is best for the country and doing what is best for the Jewish community. Because the Jewish community has taken a major financial hit, it is trying to recoup some of its losses. Tim Geithner is in the perfect position to help them to do so, e.g. allowing AIG to give 165 million in bonuses to the very people who got us into this financial and economic mess. The problem for Mr. Geithner is that what is best for the Jewish community is not what is best for the country, and vice versa. I believe this is why he has been so reluctant to provide any detailed plans. What he really wants to do is to help the Jews return to the status quo, of creating economic bubbles and getting rich quick before they burst. However, he knows that if he does this, all hell will break loose. He is truly a man torn between two people and two countries. He should have NEVER been given the job of Treasury Secretary.
Posted by: KMB | March 17, 2009, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Obamunism – pass porky stimulus, don’t read the fine print before forking over billions or trillions (pass this stimuls package this weekend, before you read it, or else), don’t have any of your ‘guys’ pay their taxes. why can’t lil Timmy get any liberal who has paid their taxes to work for him. cause there ain’t nobody in that null set of candidates. what is the journolist – a secret left wing cabal? why is the MSM silent on it?
Posted by: Joe | March 17, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Maybe Jon Stewart can schedule 0bama on the show and they can yell together. That should be good for an approval point or two.
You people who voted for him? I hope you’re happy with yourselves. Those of us who supported HRC? We could have supported him if he had had any legislative accomplishments. I guess he was afraid to wait eight years?
Posted by: beebop | March 17, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am
the rage about AIG bonuses is a diversion – politicians don’t want citizens asking the real questions:
- why are bailing out AIG?
- what is the big deal with this “insurance” company?
- what the worst that can happen if AIG goes under?
the folks in Washington know the answers to these questions. That’s why AIG will continue to recieve as much $$$ as they need to stay afloat. All the politicians can do is hope nobody figures out why.
the truth is, if AIG goes under, the entire economy sinks – in a hurry!
It’s a lot easier to sound populist than be truthful and candid.
Posted by: phreddy111 | March 17, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am
I’M OUTRAGED. I PAID ATTENTION TO WHEN PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID HE WANTS TO REFORM COLLEGE. I AM CURRENTLY A COLLEGE STUDENT AND I AM HAVING TO DEAL WITH AFRICAN AMERICANS IN MY CLASS BEING DISRESPECTFUL AND SAYING THAT THEY ONLY ATTENDING COLLEGE TO GET THE PAY CHECK FROM THERE STUDENT LOAN. THEY ARE FAILING THE CLASS THAT I AM IN. MY POINT IS WHY DOES THE PRESIDENT SAY THAT EVERYONE THAT WANTS TO GO COLLEGE SHOULD BE ABLE TO? WHAT I AM SEEING ON MY COLLEGE CAMPUS IS THAT PEOPLE ARE JUST THERE TO GET THAT PAYCHECK. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT MAKING IT THRU COLLEGE AND THEY ARE FAILING. THEN HE SAYS HE WANTS TO REFORM HEALTH CARE. I HAVE DEALT WITH GOVERNMENT AGENCIES TRYING TO GET PROPER MEDICAL CARE. I FOUGHT WITH A PIECE OF CRAP COMMAND FOR TWO YEARS. I PAID FOR SURGERY AND WENT TO A DOCTOR THAT ACTUALLY WENT TO SCHOOL AND CARES ABOUT HIS PATIENTS. THE KIND OF HEALTH CARE REFORM PRESIDENT OBAMA WANTS IS THE SAME KIND ON THE USS RONALD REAGAN. YOU GO TO MEDICAL AND YOU ARE TOLD IF YOU ARE NOT BLEEDING GO AWAY, AND HERE IS MOTRIN. THAT KIND OF SYSTEM DOESN’T WORK AND PEOPLE END UP WORSE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT RECIEVE THE PROPER MEDICAL CARE.
Posted by: VETERAN | March 17, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Is AIG really too big to fail ? then why AIG was not broken up like AT &T three decades ago according to anti trust law ? During the Clinton administration, they tried to break up Microsoft, but failed. They never thought of breaking up AIG because some of the Clinton cabinet members (like Rubin and Cisneros) were engaging in relaxing the regulation on subprime mortgage. If the company were broken into half dozen smaller companies and allow each of them to fail if it were poorly managed, then there would not be a big mess today. The Dem. party has been leading the Congress for more than two years, why didn’t Pelosi try to prevent this mess by breaking up AIG earlier.?
Posted by: austin | March 17, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am
AIG is Obama’s Haliburton.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 17, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Before we get out the tar and feathers, lets make sure we target the correct chickens.
The Obama administration needs to publish a chronological study of the transactions that brought us to this place and time with respect to the AIG fiasco as well as the first round of T.A.R.P.
20 years after the Federal Reserve was created 1913/1933 the Hoover administration amended the Federal Reserves charter to allow unilateral insertion of “corrective” measures into our national economy in times of “emergency”.
These powers were largely forgotten about & collecting dust until the autumn of 2008 when the Bear sterns/Lehman Bros. collapses started our collective house of (credit) cards to domino throughout the entire world economy. Granted, this was not a single influence to the economies collapse it had plenty of help with sub-prime, CDO’s and the like but it was a central driver to a world wide economic catastrophe.
Trying to head off further damage and slow the centrifugal momentum this collapse was generating ( and quickly becoming self effacing)The Federal Reserve (through and with the Treasury dept.) employed it’s long forgotten power to slow/correct the collapse.
In doing so, the Fed. moving as quickly as the situation reqiured, backstopped Bear Sterns as well as AIG and several other intitutions that were about to evaporate and literally take everyone ele with them, you and me.
In taking this action, little thought was given to attaching any “conditions” to these funds expecting these companies to act responsibly, especially given the dire nature of where everyone was at. BIG MISTAKE.
Now that we are clawing our way back to the waters surface again, these brain surgeons at AIG & elsewhere have very short memories and obviously no conscience of moral compass whatsoever.
Over 150 billion (taxpayer) dollars was issued to AIG prior to January 20,2009 with very little accountability metrics attached. To suggest that the Obama/Geithner and company are responsible for these idiots paying themselves bonuses now with this money does not fit the facts. Yes they are responsible to try and manage the mess, fallout and clean up, but they did not create the environment that allowed this to take place.
Posted by: Darryl the Contractor | March 17, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Before we get out the tar and feathers, lets make sure we target the correct chickens.
The Obama administration needs to publish a chronological study of the transactions that brought us to this place and time with respect to the AIG fiasco as well as the first round of T.A.R.P.
20 years after the Federal Reserve was created 1913/1933 the Hoover administration amended the Federal Reserves charter to allow unilateral insertion of “corrective” measures into our national economy in times of “emergency”.
These powers were largely forgotten about & collecting dust until the autumn of 2008 when the Bear sterns/Lehman Bros. collapses started our collective house of (credit) cards to domino throughout the entire world economy. Granted, this was not a single influence to the economies collapse it had plenty of help with sub-prime, CDO’s and the like but it was a central driver to a world wide economic catastrophe.
Trying to head off further damage and slow the centrifugal momentum this collapse was generating ( and quickly becoming self effacing)The Federal Reserve (through and with the Treasury dept.) employed it’s long forgotten power to slow/correct the collapse.
In doing so, the Fed. moving as quickly as the situation reqiured, backstopped Bear Sterns as well as AIG and several other intitutions that were about to evaporate and literally take everyone ele with them, you and me.
In taking this action, little thought was given to attaching any “conditions” to these funds expecting these companies to act responsibly, especially given the dire nature of where everyone was at. BIG MISTAKE.
Now that we are clawing our way back to the waters surface again, these brain surgeons at AIG & elsewhere have very short memories and obviously no conscience of moral compass whatsoever.
Over 150 billion (taxpayer) dollars was issued to AIG prior to January 20,2009 with very little accountability metrics attached. To suggest that the Obama/Geithner and company are responsible for these idiots paying themselves bonuses now with this money does not fit the facts. Yes they are responsible to try and manage the mess, fallout and clean up, but they did not create the environment that allowed this to take place.
Posted by: Darryl the Contractor | March 17, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am
sorry bout the double post. loose nut behind the keyboard
Posted by: Darryl the Contractor | March 17, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am
The problem remains the presence of credit default swaps in the financial marketplace. Every time a business fails the problem is renewed. AIG alone sold over $60,000,000,000,000 (trillion) worth of credit default swaps. Many other major financial institutions sold credit default swaps as well. Our government doesn’t have the skilled manpower to figure out what to do. It’s difficult to place values on many complex derivatives so the treasury keeps propping up failing financial institutions to prevent a global financial meltdown. It’s a very complex problem that keeps surfacing no matter how much the government tries to buy it out. Only worldwide economic recovery will stop the bleeding. Griping about the CEO pay won’t make a difference. It just distracts our attention and satisfies that innate desire to hold someone responsible and punish them. In this case AIG is the culprit and should be punished but their survival is holding the world ransom.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 17, 2009, 11:09 am 11:09 am
VETERAN; If you’re a college student, may I suggest a course in internet manners? Typing in all caps is the equivalent of SHOUTING.
Posted by: mmonroeliveson | March 17, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am
VERY GOOD MM.
You’ve hit one of the two main issues squarely on the head!
The other being these “toxic assets” on everyone’s books. This second is somewhat easier to manage (given that we actually have a proven road map with the S&L cleanup of the ’80s and essentially warehousing these “assets” and let them age and let the economy grow back around the island, (as one would a t-bill) until there collective intrinsic value has re-stabilized.
the harder issue as you point out is/are these CDO’s. essentially NOBODY understands them.
The only way i can see to treat them is similar to the treatment of the “toxic assets”. pool them ALL together, regardless of the stated “face value” and let them percolate for some period of time until the rest of the economy in general stabilizes. Then at least we accomplish two things, first we have corralled all of the crap in one place, we can see and understand its scope as well as the general cleansing effect and psychological bonus for everyone that we have them segregated. secondly, these “assets” can be parsed out of the collective whole in segments, re-introduced back to the economy incrementally so they can be digested and become the true value they were originally intended to be.
Posted by: Darryl the Contractor | March 17, 2009, 11:29 am 11:29 am
People, this IS outrageous and needs to be resolved. However it is a distraction from the bigger issue.
And that is what AIG is doing with the billions we have handed them. Guess who has lined up at this preverbal trough……….
The top banking institutions of our country as well as some overseas, the Goldman Sacs and the rest.
This IS the bigger issue here. Yes these “managers” should take Senator Grassley’s advice literally, however the REAL money and the REAL ISSUE is/are our banking institutions that are collectively double dipping at the “bailout trough”
Posted by: Darryl the Contractor | March 17, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Millions of people of still unemployed. Have they been gotten. Where are the new created jobs. Everyone just can’t keep collecting unemployent insurance benefits. It will continue to run out.
The Administration now has everyone talking about the misuse of bailout money — something, that they are already aware of.
Another “smoke-screen” to take the heat off of OBAMA, as it relates to the “UNEMPLOYED”. The unemployed still need to work in this country. Instead, our government is just handing out bilout money as if it is growing on trees around the White house lawn, U.S. Capitol and Treasurey Department.
Wake up people don’t get side-tracked again. Remember those promises about getting the American people back to work, immediately. It has not happen yet. Think people, think!
Posted by: Correct247 | March 17, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Either “too deep” for the average swimmer, or “too dull” to penetrate the inquiring mind!
Posted by: bobj72 | March 17, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
He should have been angry when Dodd put language in the bailout legislation that made bonuses legal. The horse is out of the barn now. What a bunch of absolute phonies!!! They do not have a clue about what is in the legislation they vote for and sign.
here could be a line about legalizing ax murders in a bill and it would be passed and signed without a whimper and afterward we’d see Pelosi and Reid standing in front of mics beaming and praising ‘this historic legislation’ or some such garbage.
Question: if AIG is such big time financial trouble here in the US why is it giving OUR BAILOUT MONEY to European firms? Who authorized that horse hockey? Let the Europeans bailout their own companies.
Posted by: MadJayhawk | March 19, 2009, 2:59 am 2:59 am