Biden: Cheney is “Dead Wrong” on Obama Foreign Policies

I don’t think Cheney is being very helpful with these interviews. OTOH, Biden and Obama don’t hesitate to blame Cheney or Bush, and have accused them of making us unsafe. It’s all just bickering.
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Biden:”[O]ur interests are more secure today than they were any time during the eight years,” Biden said. “Not just at home, but around the world.”
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That seems to be a statement with no provable basis.

I agree with Biden. I’m glad to see someone push back on the Cheney remark, it was uncalled for and served no purpose except to try and pin any future terrorist action against the US on Obama. Cheney is a creep.

“then us actually taking our rightful place of strength, prestige and superiority in the world.”
America uber Bush then?
Right wingers love their nationalistic rhetoric!

Obama and Biden can’t stay away from bickering about the past. When are they going to do something for America? So far all they’ve done is give away the farm.

Cheney is trying to distract US attention from all of the war crimes he committed. He deserves to rot in jail for the violations he has made to human rights, and American freedoms.

Hate to break it to you Obamacrat, he wasn’t elected democratically to the office twice, he was UNCONSTITUTIONALLY APPOINTED the first time, and, if you would take the time to remember, was installed over the candidate that got the MOST POPULAR VOTES, i.e. against the will of the majority. The second election and EVERY ELECTION SINCE is tainted due to Black Box Voting, otherwise known as NO PAPER TRAIL, so no verification. Welcome back to reality. Now that we have you here, you’ll be pleased to know that, yes, most countries and their citizens are AT THIS TIME happier with the US because in their eyes, we made the correct choice in Presidents and are now willing to speak with us in a workabnle fashion as opposed to adversaries. Our RIGHTFUL place of prestige, strength and superiority – WHO SAYS?!? And compared to WHO? China has a better economy. The only thing we have going for us on that front in a superior military, which Bush and Cheney did their best to ruin as well. Wake up, please.

Would anybody trust Biden with anything? Obama just doesn’t know anything but Biden is a lose cannon.

President Obama has demonstrated weakness in the face of those who wish to see the United States diminished. The Chinese could have stopped the North Koreans missile launch…they did not because they wanted to see how President Obama handled it. He took the issue to an impotent UN. North Korea is chuckling at us, and the Chinese see an advantage that they will use. President Obama wants to see “the world free from nuclear weapons”…while a noble goal, the nuclear genie is out of the bottle. No one could ever be sure that every nuclear weapon is gone…we can’t even be sure who has what in various countries/terrorist groups today. Whether you like for VP Cheney or not, he is correct…our country is weaker due to President Obama’s “blame Americal first” policies. VP Biden is whistling in the wind and should be ignored. I pray that he is write and I am wrong.

@Brian – HI. remember 9/11? I do. Let’s see, the date was 9/11/2001, which means Bush was President. Which means he DIDN’T keep the (fascist nazi moniker for “our country”) homeland safe. Sorry to pop your bubble and all…

to stuart 2560:
We are not the ones saying ” America is safer than it was under GW!” Bidden did!

Ok…my spelling was off…I hope VP Biden is “right” and I am wrong.

Biden is setting himself to be knocked down.
Gee, didn’t North Korea just launch a missile towards America in defiance of
Obama?
Didn’t they just uncover a huge plot by a Chinese and the Iranians to build nuclear weapons?
We are safer now?

OMG you didn’t say that If you really remembered 911 then you would agree with Cheney. Oh i forgot, Obama told you the war on terror (changed the name) was over and you believed him. Funny.

Biden says “The last administration left us in a weaker posture than we’ve been any time since World War II: less regarded in the world, stretched more thinly than we ever have been in the past, two wars under way, virtually no respect in entire parts of the world.”
Perhaps Biden can explain why there hasn’t been a terrorist attack since 9/11. I’m sure that if we were less respected around the world during the Bush years than we’ve ever been in the history of our country, we would have had a terrorist attack every few months.
Obama on the other hand, wants to negotiate with “moderate” Taliban in the hopes that peace can be brought about. Was there ever a “moderate” Nazi, or a “moderate” member of the KKK? I can assure you, if there ever was a moderate member of the Taliban, he would have been tortured and killed just as soon as the rest of the Taliban found out he existed.

Obama: Who will add more COMBAT troops to Afghanistan?
Europeans: Not us, Mr. Obama!
Obama: Who will put their countries trillions of $$$ more in debt because of the economy just like I did to the US?
Europeans: Not us, Mr. Obama!
Obama: Who will say I am cool and cooperative?
Europeans: We will, Mr. Obama!

President Obama has demonstrated weakness in the face of those who wish to see the United States diminished. The Chinese could have stopped the North Koreans missile launch…they did not because they wanted to see how President Obama handled it. He took the issue to an impotent UN. North Korea is chuckling at us, and the Chinese see an advantage that they will use. . . .
Posted by: WallyB | Apr 7, 2009 5:03:10 PM
You are in fantasyland, the Chinese are as perturbed by the crazyman as we are, and these fomentations you conjour up and these machiavellian machinations…..well this is the stuff of the insane….

Hey D- the terrorists entered the US during 2000 during Clinton’s administration. Basically Clinton treated terrorists as criminals. let the first world trade cneter attack slide, let the USS Cole bombing slide, and there you have it. Bush protected us. Obama will be lucky if his policies don’t result in another attack.

well tell me how 40 years of republican backed restrictions on Cuba accomplished anything. How do we expect to have relations with any country we refuse to talk to. Cuba WAS a threat but has’nt been and does not desire to be. So let our cultures mix, allows US citizens to travel there. It’ll help the Cubans, us and maybe the entire world. And I love Joe Biden.

“Obama on the other hand, wants to negotiate with “moderate” Taliban in the hopes that peace can be brought about. Was there ever a “moderate” Nazi, or a “moderate” member of the KKK?”
The Sunnis were supposed to be the scourge of Iraq.
We found out that eventually we had to negotiate with the elements of Sunnis that were willing to listen.
Its still amazing to me, the kneejerk reaction of the keyboard fightin 101st that we should never talk to our enemies and that perpetual war is the only answer.

Cheney (and his trained monkey, Bush) failed to ake America safe. They try to lay claim to making the sun rise. All they managed to do was divide America internally, isolate America internationally, and destroy America economically. They stepped off a burning and sinking ship and handed the wheel to Obama.
Now, the 25% of voters who still identify themselves with the failed and discredited Republican Party, holler from the sidelines and throw stones to keep Obama from saving the ship. They are despicable.
Fear, Hatred and Division is all they’ve got.

“Perhaps Biden can explain why there hasn’t been a terrorist attack since 9/11.”
That would be tough since there were major terrorist attacks in 2002, 2004, 2005, and 2008 in Bali, Madrid, London and Mumbai respectively.
Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 7, 2009 5:14:00 PM
Hey Ryan C…last I looked, Bali, Madrid, London and Mumbai, respectively, were not in the United States.

“People are beginning to follow the United States again as a consequence of our administration,” the vice president said.”
How is that, Joe?
-Europe said NO to more combat troops in Afghanistan.
-Europe said NO to bazillion$$$ in bail out money.
-Europe said NO to Obama’s idea of Turkey in the EU.
-Not one country has agreed to or signed on to Obama’s plan to disarm their countries of nuclear weapons.
(In fact N. Korea shot off a nuke capable missile to celebrate Obama’s disarmament talks.)
Europe has been having talks with Iran for years and now Obama is thinking of following Europe’s lead.
Not one country has agreed to take any terrorists that Obama is going to let out of Guantanamo.
No one is following you Joe.

Why does this administration feel so compelled to legitimize these old gas bags? If they are so confident why are they so reactionary when anyone criticizes them? It is just bizarre that this administration feels the need to constantly address and demonize every critic. Just govern and stop all the distractions. The real effectiveness or not of your policies will eventually out.

Not sure how Biden can stand up there and say we are safer now than at any time in the past 8 years. Rebuilding relationships with EU countries and other governments does not make us safer. The people who want to see us fail are extremist and do not subscribe to any governments point of view that is not aligned with theirs. It is to early in Obamas presidency to determine whether we are safer than previous years, I would say we are as safe/unsafe today as we were a year ago. America will always be a target so each president will have to deal with things previous presidents did not. Hey Joe..better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt

WallyB -and last time I checked, using the absence of any terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as “evidence” that Bush “kept us safe” is still a logical fallacy that doesn’t stand up to serious scrutiny.
Have you ever heard the phrase “Post hoc ergo propter hoc”?
Maybe you all need to look it up?

NoSpin1600: When you talk about: “The people who want to see us fail are extremist and do not subscribe to any governments point of view that is not aligned with theirs”, you’re talking about the GOP now, right? ROFLAMO!

Cheney is full of crap. He didn’t keep us safe on 9/11 and now he’s talking about how Obama is falling down on the job? He needs to shut up and stop bragging about how tightly he closed the barn door after the horse already got away.

I’m so glad that Joe Biden is saying what he is.
It’s unfortunate that any news outlet would even air an interview with Cheney just months into the new administration.
Cheney has lost all credibility with the American people, which essentially means that no one is listening to him anymore. Thank GoD!!!
Finally, the US can gain a better world image. I think Obama did a fantastic job on his overseas trip, even though most of it was pretty symbolic. He did get a chance to meet with many leaders face to face.

I would be embarassed if i had voted for Biden. I would be like the rest of the liberal posters on here and would hide behind my computer and claim i had made a wise decision.

Ron:”Regardless, you are not going to see a majority in congress in my lifetime ever again”
Nonsense. The Republicans probably have one or two more cycles swinging further into radicalism, but it’s pretty certain they’ll come back and be useful again. And yes, a Palin candidacy could be the disaster needed to purge the ideologues and get moderates back into power, but it will happen. If history is any guide, it will happen right around the time the Democrats forget who they work for, just like the Republicans did (although the Republicans fell faster than I expected – the ‘moral majority’ arm was very forgiving of incompetence and graft).

I find it amazing that Biden still has to respond to Cheney. Biden should help out his daughter and all the Democrats who have problems paying their taxes, staying honest with their spouses and the American people, and THEN we might be inclined to believe something he says. Until then, they all Democrats are Liars, Obama being Liar number One! We were safer under Bush/Cheney!

The really funny thing here is how Cheney really hit a nerve here. How long ago did cheney make these remarks? I guess the truth hurts.

Doug Brockbank:”Here’s who is less safe under the Obama adminstration…
3. Communities were Gitmo terrorists will be set free.
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Could you please define “terrorist” (I assume it is something other than found innocent of any crime BY BUSH’S ADMINISTRATION, even considering evidence beaten out of them) and cite one or two of these communities under threat? Thanks.

bct….we are just reacting to the endless barrage of fallacies the loser neo-cons are espousing.

Could you please define “terrorist”
Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 7, 2009 5:36:56 PM
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definition of a terrorist is a friend of mine that would give his right are to capture Obama and cut his head off. Islamic people are the cool. And we have been waging war against the wrong people. We should of waged war against the Liberals and the Media and the Islams would of loved us.

This is the deal…if you do not like your leaders fine, but still support your country by supporting them. You don’t have to agree with them to do that. If you don’t like the direction your country is going and choose NOT to support change that’s fine. You can always move ya know.

obama has spent more money (that we dont have) in 90 days than all of our presidents COMBINED!!! Why was it so bad of Bush to increase the deficit, but its ok for obama to do that times 10? OBAMA LIED AND THE ECONOMY DIED!!!

Really? I keep looking south, to the war on our border and keep wondering when we’ll need to be protecting ourselves from rogue Mexican troops, Cuban regulars and Venezuelan troops. I just must be dreaming also that the defense budgets are getting cut while Obama talks up schools and cute little butterfly gardens with infinite debt and the ruin of the western world facing us all… No worries – Just be happy…

anarchyiscoming:”obama has spent more money (that we dont have) in 90 days than all of our presidents COMBINED!!!”
This is a lie no matter what accounting method you use.

Jon – my guess is probably never. But don’t let reality and sanity get in the way of your paranoia. LOL

Jon:” I keep looking south, to the war on our border and keep wondering when we’ll need to be protecting ourselves from rogue Mexican troops, Cuban regulars and Venezuelan troops. I just must be dreaming also that the defense budgets are getting cut while Obama talks up schools and cute little butterfly gardens”
Uh, Obama has publicly considered sending troops to the Mexico border – it’s certainly on his radar. And could you specifically identify how spending money on an ultra-high performance fighter jet or missile defense will address the scenario? Better than the enlargement of our ground troops that is currently being undertaken? I’ll take 10,000 new groundpounders with guns over one F-22, thanks.

WallyB -and last time I checked, using the absence of any terrorist attacks on U.S. soil as “evidence” that Bush “kept us safe” is still a logical fallacy that doesn’t stand up to serious scrutiny.
Have you ever heard the phrase “Post hoc ergo propter hoc”?
Maybe you all need to look it up?
Posted by: Tired of Dummies | Apr 7, 2009 5:24:55 PM
“Post hoc ergo propter hoc”…for all those who don’t understand latin means “Since that event followed this one, that event must have been caused by this one.” While the Latin version makes it sound more scholarly, its still means nothing in its English translation. Facts are facts, other nations were attacked after 9/11 and our homeland was not. If you wish to blame Bush for Bali, Madrid, London, Mumbai, please feel free. You won’t be alone…its a liberal knee jerk reaction. Always blame Bush. President Obama’s great at it.

I always feel safer having fair weather friends watching my back.

“Hey Ryan C…last I looked, Bali, Madrid, London and Mumbai, respectively, were not in the United States.”
So major terrorist attacks on other countries by the same group that attacked us in which American died are of no relevance.
Wouldn’t want to ruin the whole “Bush protected us” meme with facts now would we.

Interesting tat JB as been quiet on this subject for this long. This is right in his wheelhouse. If anyone is more qualified than JB they are probably dead. And he IS the one i would pick to take on Cheney!

stickman – um, no. Hitler was the apotheosis of rightwing populist conservatism, 1930s style. Hitler was about as far from liberalism as you can get.

“Clinton was responsible for 9/11, not Bush or Cheney.”
This is “true”.
In a right wing parallel universe Bill Clinton remained President until about 10 am EST on Sept 11th 2001.
Bush took over right afterwards and has protected us ever since

“He deserves my silence. And if he wants my help, he can pick up the phone.”
It’s too bad that Obama has none of Bush’s class.
None. No class at all.

We are definitely not safer. On the contrary, we have never been in more danger. Why did Obama do absolutely nothing to stop North Korea’s most recent provocative missle test. North Korea thumbed its nose at the US. Why? Because the US is now perceived as being WEAK. Obama failed miserably in his first international military test. All he could do is to condemn the act and run like a weakling to the UN for support. Why not just shoot the thing down and let the world know that we will not tolerate such belligerence. The cold hard truth is that Obama is weak and looks weak, VERY WEAK. Is this what the US people want in their leader? I think not!!! God help us from this point forward.

You might want to be careful Mr. Biden. You have been veep for only 3 months. Cheney has had 8 years of experience. He kind of trumps you.

Posted by: michael | Apr 7, 2009 5:58:53 PM
What about Khobar, the embassies and the Cole?
Clinton’ total inactions emboldened Bin Laden’s belief that the US was a “paper tiger.”
Clinton had Bin Laden in his hands in 1995 and refused to take him.
A one way trip over the Atlantic would have solved so much.

Sam – actually, it was Bush-era defunding of the FDA,s field inspection capabilites that’s led to so many outbreaks of salmonella recently. All part of the failed Republican ideology of “deregulation” Republicans blaming Biden for the GOP’s failures is like arsonists complaining about the Fire Department. LOL

obama has spent more money (that we dont have) in 90 days than all of our presidents COMBINED!!! Why was it so bad of Bush to increase the deficit, but its ok for obama to do that times 10? OBAMA LIED AND THE ECONOMY DIED!!!
Got that right.

michael:”oh i forgot two embassies in Africa were bombed in 1998.”
You also forgot Republicans taking to the floor of Congress denouncing Clinton’s efforts to kill Osama Bin Laden. So glad they chose getting an election soundbite in about “Monica Missiles” over encouraging the protection of our country. No wonder Bin Ladin has always coincidently served to improve Republican electoral performance – it’s documented fact they’ve had his back since 1998.
Heck, McCain took Clinton to task for obsessing about “this guy” Osama Bin Laden.
“You could say, Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that’s depicted? Most of us have never heard of him before…
This administration for the last seven months has neglected compelling national security threats besides this… I cannot say that they’ve been neglected because of Monica Lewinsky, but I can say unequivocally that they have been neglected.” John McCain, 1998

“WTC 1 was right wing? Ryan, your history is perverted”
No but 3 of the 5 terrorist attacks mentioned by Michael were.
You had White Surpremcists at Ruby Ridge, gun nut Branch Davidians at Waco and anti abortion nut who bombed the Olympics.
He failed to mention the biggest right wing terrorist attack the OKC bombing by Republican Timothy McVeigh.
That was the attack that Ann Coulter stated she wish had happened in New York.

drjohn – actually, that lie about Clinton having OBL “in his sights” was debunked a long time ago. Discredited propaganda and outright lies aren’t going to win you wingnuts elections anytime soon. Why not try and come up with some new material instead of repeating the same old lies? Nobody believes them anymore anyway. LOL

Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 7, 2009 6:07:08 PM
Clinton sent Pakistan (and thus Obama) a message that a missile was coming.
Clintn bombed a pharmaceutical factory on the basis of a handful of dirt taken ten months prior to the attack.
Clinton had lots of chances to take out Bin Laden and failed them all.

Biden is such a silly man. They both need a teleprompter but one of them needs a muzzle. Maybe they can share one?

Actually, WTC 1 and WTC 2 were, in fact, commited by conservative extremists – remember, Islamic fundamentalists subsribe to an extremely conservative and narrow political philosophy that has more in common with rightwing Christian fundamentalists than it does with progressive liberals. Face it, the Taliban and the Christian Conservatives are just mirror images of one another – the only difference is which God they base their prejudices on…

Posted by: King Of Men | Apr 7, 2009 6:09:49 PM
The heck it was.
Michael Scheuer (no friend of Bush) wrote about it at length.

Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 7, 2009 6:13:01 PM
How far did each go, Ryan?
It’s called progress, Ryan. The next one will go farther.

Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 7, 2009 6:09:45 PM
Directly attacked Bin Laden?
When?
After warning Bin Laden it was coming?
Get real.

Yes the country is safer under Obama from foreign terrorists but is less safe when it comes to domestic lunatics who go on killing spree almost every day. If Obama continues on his extending his hand of friendship and push for peace in the middle east, he is more likely to achieve a safer USA. Hopefully nothing comparable to 911 will happen in his watch.

Biden ??? Giving advice ?? LMAO !!
This guy puts his foot on mouth everytime he speaks ! Obama choose him to keep his B-TT safe from getting shot ! Comparing VicePres, Biden is as equal or more stupid than Dan Quale.
Isn’t that the truth or what ???
ae> On an inteview on GMA he could not remember when question, the website of the bailout program he is overseing !!
Biden…what a joke !!!!

“Aug 6th 2001 Nat Sec Memo for Bush Titled Bin Laden Determined to Strike US discussed activity suggesting a planned hijacking with New York as a potential target.”
Absolutely false.
From that pdb:
“Clandestine, foreIgn government, and media reports indicate Bin Ladin
since 1997′ has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Ladin
implied in US televisioni nterviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followersw ould
follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Youse! and “bring
the fighting to America.”
Af1er us missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladin
tao ld f–o llowers he wa–n tesde rtvoic ree.taliate in Washington, according to
An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told – - service
at the same time that Bin Ladin was planning to exploit the operative’s
access to the US to mount a terrorist strike,
The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of
Bin Ladin’s first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the
US. Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the
idea to attack Los Angeles International Airpor1 himself, but that6in
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Ladin lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and h~tped facilltatetne
operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was p1annfng-’hrs
own US attack.

From the WaPo:
The 1998 document is “the most important PDB about hijacking published before 9/11,” Zelikow said. The Aug. 6, 2001, PDB prepared for President Bush mentioned 1998 intelligence concerning a plot by bin Laden “to hijack a U.S. aircraft to gain the release of ‘Blind Sheik’ Omar Abdel Rahman and other U.S.-held extremists.”
The 2001 PDB said intelligence officials “have not been able to corroborate” the plot reports from 1998.
The 1998 PDB is titled: “Bin Laden preparing to hijack U.S. aircraft and other attacks.” It was declassified, with redactions, by the White House last Monday at the Sept. 11 panel’s request. The text of the 1998 PDB was read to a reporter by an administration official who had access to the declassified document.
It said intelligence reports “suggest Bin Laden and his allies are preparing for attacks in the U.S., including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh Umar Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef and Muhammad Sadiq Awda. One source quoted a senior member of Gama at al-Islamiyya (I.G.) saying that as of late October the group had completed planning for an operation in the United States on behalf of bin Laden but that the operation was on hold. A senior bin Laden operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit I.G. counterparts in the United States soon thereafter to discuss options — perhaps including an aircraft hijacking.”
7/18/2004

Posted by: Kimbers | Apr 7, 2009 6:18:45 PM
This one went a lot farther than the first one. And the next one is likely to go farther again.
Wake up. It’s time to pay attention now.
If it was of such unimportance, then why did Obama threaten unrelenting indignation if they did it?

Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 7, 2009 6:26:14 PM
Bin Laden survived because Clinton advised Pakistan of the missiles. He gave Bin Laden a heads-up.
Please.

“Anyone who’s afraid of “NoKo’s” missle launch needs to have their heads checked. Lil Kim just proved that he has a long way to go before he can hit anything but the Pacific Ocean. YAWN”
I understand that the South Koreans and Japanese are kind of concerned right now. I guess they need to have their heads checked, right, Kimbers?

Reality – um, wrong. Please try again. Thanks!

drjohn:”Bin Laden survived because Clinton advised Pakistan of the missiles. He gave Bin Laden a heads-up.”
Citation. Please. You stated:
“Clinton’ total inactions emboldened Bin Laden’s belief that the US was a “paper tiger.”"
This is a documented lie. Forgive me for no longer believing anything you say.

May 1998-May 1999: Ten Opportunities to Strike Bin Laden in One YearMichael Scheuer, head of the CIA’s bin Laden unit from 1996 to 1999, later will claim that in a one-year period starting in May 1998, the CIA gives the US government “about ten chances to capture bin Laden or kill him with military means. In all instances, the decision was made that the ‘intelligence was not good enough.’ This assertion cannot be debated publicly without compromising sources and methods. What can be said, however, is that in all these cases there was more concern expressed by senior bureaucrats and policymakers about how international opinion would react to a US action than there was concern about what might happen to Americans if they failed to act. Indeed, on one occasion these senior leaders decided it was more important to avoid hitting a structure near bin Laden’s location with shrapnel, than it was to protect Americans.” He will later list six of the attempts in a book:
May 1998: a plan to capture bin Laden at his compound south of Kandahar, canceled at the last minute (see May 29, 1998).
September 1998: a capture opportunity north of Kandahar, presumably by Afghan tribals working for the CIA (see September-October 1998).
December 1998: canceled US missile strike on the governor’s palace in Kandahar (see December 18-20, 1998).
February 1999: Military attack opportunity on governor’s residence in Herat (see February 1999).
February 1999: Multiple military attack opportunities at a hunting camp near Kandahar attended by United Arab Emirates royals (see February 11, 1999).
May 1999: Military attack opportunities on five consecutive nights in Kandahar (see May 1999).
Also in late August 1998, there is one failed attempt to kill bin Laden.(see August 20, 1998) (Atlantic Monthly 12/2004; Scheuer 2008, pp. 284)
Counterterrorism “tsar” Richard Clarke later will strongly disagree with Scheuer’s assessment, claiming that the intelligence needed for such an attack on bin Laden was never very good. But he will also point out that the National Security Council and White House never killed any of the operations Scheuer wanted. It was always CIA Director George Tenet and other top CIA leaders who rejected the proposals. Scheuer will agree that it was always Tenet who turned down the operations. (Zeman et al. 11/2004)

Hey Biden, don’t worry about that 1.4 Billion cut in missle defense.

With all the money that the Democrats are spending if America has anymore military crisis we won’t be able to do anything.

The US is not safer under Obama. Obama continues to downplay his expectations. For example, he initially said that he would shoot the missile off of the launcher. Then he said that US would take actions with sanctions. Now he is speaking to the UN about his displeasure.
His trip abroad, too, was unproductive. He wanted to get allies for the war in Afghanistan. Not much happening there. Maybe a few token from GB but not any more. Also, wanted the world power to spend Trillions in stimulus money. I think maybe then agreed to 1 trillion with the US paying out the most (what else is new).
For those saying that it was President Bush’s fault for 9/11 then according to your opinion than this economy is Obama’s because he is president now. I don’t see any job creation instead more job loss. Wall Street is still down in the ditch and has only spiked over 8,000 once in the last so many weeks. I also don’t see many of the little signs that Obama said would mean the government stimulus is working so I guess it means the government is not working.

“Ryan C. You may want to define Bali, Madrid, London and Mumbai as “us”, but I do not, I am an America”
I guess we should tell the Americans that died in those attacks that they do not count according to right wingers.
I also guess we can tell the world they were fools for caring about us after 9/11 since “real” America according to Palin could care less about them.
Ryan C. First, while I sympathize with any victim of terror, I know as an American who has traveled overseas, that there are risks…risks I freely take. I do not expect any American president to be responsible for me while overseas. Second, the “fools” as you call them who cared about us after 9/11 disappeared real quickly, with few exceptions, when it was time to stand up. As much as you try, you cannot continue to Blame Bush for attacks around the world. I got a wild idea…lets blame the nutjob terrorist killers…or is that too simple. Oh yea…in liberal speak…the terrorist killers aren’t to blame either, they were disadvantaged due to some heinous American plot…or maybe they didn’t get the right government program. Contrary to liberal idealology, no one can be all things to all people…no wait I forgot…President Obama has promised a “nanny state”.

Biden agrees with Obama that we are Arrogant and Dismissive and Dirisive with Europe while at the same time we fought European Agression. Obama’s Lineage was not involved in the World Wars. Now, his Vice President claims this President keeps us safer, The facts prove him wrong! Bush and the people who actually fought to keep this country safe, are the ones who KEEP this country safe!

Wow!! Just Wow!!
How can you possibly make a statement like this when you’ve just said ….
“Mark my words; It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. “Watch. We’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.
As I recall, we were also told that Jimmy Carter was remarkably intelligent. Look how that turned out.
“A man I’m proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!” –Joe Biden, at his first campaign rally with Barack Obama after being announced as his running mate, Springfield, Ill., Aug. 23, 2008
“Stand up, Chuck, let ‘em see ya.” –-Joe Biden, to Missouri state Sen. Chuck Graham, who is in a wheelchair, Columbia, Missouri, Sept. 12, 200
To think that this MORON is just one heart beat from the Presidency…. Why this BOZO with all the talent our there?

“Clinton’ total inactions emboldened Bin Laden’s belief that the US was a “paper tiger.”"
This is a documented lie. Forgive me for no longer believing anything you say.
OK, here ya go
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In February, a bomb at the World Trade Center kills six and wounds hundreds. Six Muslim radicals, who U.S. officials suspect have links to bin Laden, are eventually convicted for the bombing.
In October, 18 U.S. servicemen who are part of a humanitarian mission to Somalia are killed in an ambush in Mogadishu. Bin Laden later says that some of the Arab Afghans were involved in the killings and calls Americans “paper tigers” because they withdrew from Somalia shortly after the soldiers’ deaths.
CNN timeline, On CNNTV, 2005
Of the two of us, you are the one factually deficient.

Ya, The Democrats are fierce fighters of Terrorism! And they pay all their Taxes and never use Prostitutes as Governors of New York State!

Cheney, go back to sleep.

Sickofpoliticians – actually, Obama DOES write most of his major speeches. Unlike Bush, who didn’t write any of them (and who couldn’t speak intelligently even WITH a teleprompter, LOL). But don’t let the facts get in the way .

Biden is so stupid how would he know if Cheney is wrong. Obama can only criticize Bush = then he has nothing to say. What a flake, both of them. I fear for us that Cheney is right. He has more smarts in his little finger than that crazy Biden has in hhis own body.

Cheney is a war criminal and Bush is the worst President ever. Obama is doing okay so far and most Americans are still giving him good marks. That’s reality. Deal with it, you whining Republican crybabies. LOL

then how come it’s you Republicans who are doing all the crying and whining right now? Please try again. LOL

Obama is the 21st century Chamberlain…

tjp612 – Wrong. You analogy is a failure. Please try again.

President Obama had a very successful foreign tour to rebuild the alliances that Bush tore to hell in 8 years. It takes a bigger man to apologize than one who acted arrogrant and only “tough” in his dreams. Bush was a “wee wee”. No one followed him.

Great. Just, Great. Four former Seals Bush, Cheney, Obama and Biden)…Oh, I sorry; I meant four former Rangers…Doggone it, I got it wrong again…I meant, four former dedicated, committed, devoted, brave, and highly decorated combatants… sticking their chests out to prove who has done more to protect the American people. I bet they learned their rhetoric while side by side in some foxhole or some bunker as they waited for “incoming” to cease.

“What Rumsfeld mocked as “Old Europe” when they did not jump when we wanted to invade Iraq were shoulder to shoulder with us in Afghanistan.”
Well, that Obama sure has delivered on his promise for more allies for Afghanistan, eh?
Rumsfeld was dead right.

All I want to know is ……Has the Trial started yet. Bush and Cheney are criminals.

im sick and tired of hearing all these conseratives and republicans tell the truth. we progressives need to organize and get acorn up in here. it’s time for so changin’, hopin’, believin and somethin’ else i forgot

“Fact is, Obama’s military budget will actually INCREASE our warfighting ability on the ground. Why are the Obama-haters all so damn stupid?”
A $1.4 billion cut for defense and $8 billion for ACORN.
Perfect.

“Well, that Obama sure has delivered on his promise for more allies for Afghanistan, eh?”
He has.
NATO has pledged 7000 more troops for training and security.
And that’s after his first meetings, repairing the damage the arrogance and incompetence of the Bush administration wrought is going to take quite some time.
“Rumsfeld was dead right.”
ROFLMAO!
“Do you expect the invasion, if it comes, to be welcomed by the majority of the civilian population of Iraq?” Jim Lehrer asked the defense secretary on PBS’ “The News Hour.”
“There is no question but that they would be welcomed,” Rumsfeld replied, referring to American forces
When testifying about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction before the House Armed Services Committee Sept. 18, 2002, Rumsfeld said Saddam “has amassed large clandestine stocks of biological weapons.” including anthrax and botulism toxin and possibly smallpox. His regime has amassed large clandestine stockpiles of chemical weapons, including VX and sarin and mustard gas.”
Saddam “has at this moment stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons,” he later added, repeating the charges the next day before the Senate Armed Services Committee.
On March 30, 11 days into the war, Rumsfeld said in an ABC News interview when asked about WMDs: “We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”

Posted by: Spec Five | Apr 7, 2009 7:04:33 PM
150 cops from France?
Are you serious?

“NATO has pledged 7000 more troops for training and security.”
Is that counting the Girl Scouts they’re sending?

“Cheney was a naval aviator.”
Cheney got 5 deferrments from the draft and never served.
“I had other priorities in the ’60s than military service”

“Rumsfeld was dead right.”
I said Rumsfeld was right about old Europe.
You made up the rest.

ghost…. we know where they are and they’re not in IRAQ…never was. Did you ask the Bush Boys that question, afterall, they had 7 years to get those responsible, Al Qaeda. ohhhhhhh, not Iraq, it is Pakistan and Afganistan!. The Dummy didn’t know the difference!.

lets see…we cut defense spending, appologized to everyone for protecting them,missles flying into space and over japan, spent more money then all presidents combined and we are safer….must be the new elite math…cause it dont add up. perhaps bt saying were sorry and arrogant everyone will leave us alone? come on joe biden how dumb do you think your constituents are ?

WOW no one can speak against this two Bozos ( Obamination and Biden ) without getting the liberal wing nuts stirred up.The facts are there,
Q: Have we had any other attacks since 9 /11
A:NO.
Q: That we got the Europeans angry ?
A:So what ?
Q:How much help they sent over when have been down ?
A:NONE !
Q:Have we helped them to have the economy they have ?
A:YES !
I don’t give a hoot if they felt like we were too ” violent”
I will not give an apology to countries that HAVE NOT aported anything to this country.
Yes, America is safer and was not done in 50 some days like Barnie Fife Biden wants to portray.It has taken much longer than that, but I don’t know for how long with this foreign country Obanination.
And last but not least I’m not scare of anyone of you liberals. Enjoy the ride and let’s watch what’s going to happen in the future when your Pres start taxing your pockets for the “change” he has embark this country.

“hell Biden even served in the Armed services”
Biden did not serve in the military

I don’t imagine any of you has noticed that over the last eight years most of Europe has moved to the conservative side.
Thought not.

Posted by: Spec Five | Apr 7, 2009 7:09:46 PM
I’d like to see someone else fight and take casualties in a common goal conflict. That’d provide less satisfaction to you lefties, I know, but it’s how I feel.

Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 7, 2009 7:15:34 PM
You’re right, I was wrong. I meant Rumsfeld.

DrJohn: you have no idea what ACORN is do you?

Biden is correct, and Cheney is an arrogant boob afflicted with delusions of grandeur: Cheney believes he is Muhammad and that the mountain must come to HIM!

“I don’t imagine any of you has noticed that over the last eight years most of Europe has moved to the conservative side.”
Really?
The UK moved left.
Spain has moved left.
France has stayed the same shifting from Chirac to Sarkozy.
Germany has Merkel.
Italy has stayed the same starting with Berlusconi.
Have any of these countries sought to abandon a strong social safety net?

I am a vet for Obama. I served in Iraq (Camp Taji) and I saw the mess Bush got us in. 9/11 happened UNDER BUSH! So why are the republicans so PROUD of that?

“But he is a student of history. ACORN is modeled closely after the Hitler Youth.”
Why would an outreach organization that focused on organizing adults to address problems in their community be modeled after a youth organization that was a perverted version of our Boy Scouts of America?

Oh put a cork in it Biden.
I’m a lifelong democrat that doesn’t support Obama or you.

You know – everyone keeps talking about apologies. There were no apologies. There was some statemanship. Show me an apology. Come on – a quote – anything. Where?

The ACORN which dedicates itself to civil disobediance in Baltimore seizing private property and protests with the teachers’ union in California?

michelle that is the most rediculous statement I’ve seen on this forum….and BTW Bush did NOT fight for this country!….

“The ACORN which dedicates itself to civil disobediance in Baltimore seizing private property”
Organizing sit ins at people’s home who have been foreclosed on.
“and protests with the teachers’ union in California”
Oh now I get it.
You’re upset because ACORN found common cause with a teachers union protesting massive teacher layoffs.
But at least I figured out where you grabbed that red shirt nonsense.

Dr. John, your 7:01p.m posting (today), says Cheney was a naval aviator.
Regarding Cheney, Wikipedia says: “When Cheney became eligible for the draft, during the Vietnam War, he was a supporter of the U.S. involvement in the war but did not serve in the military. Instead, he applied for and received five draft deferments. In 1989, The Washington Post writer George C. Wilson interviewed Cheney as the next Secretary of Defense; when asked about his deferments, Cheney reportedly said, “I had other priorities in the ’60s than military service.” Cheney testified during his confirmation hearings in 1989 that he received deferments to finish a college career that lasted six years rather than four, owing to sub par academic performance and the need to work to pay for his education.
Dr. John, you’ll have a major scoop if you can prove he served in the U.S. Navy, which would mean he lied during his confirmation hearings in 1989.

“Anyone assiciated with them right now is getting rich. Obama remembered to include them in his stimulus.”
Another “lifelong Democrat” who apparently only watches FoxNews.
From the CEO of ACORN
“So let’s be clear. ACORN isn’t getting any of this money. Since it is set aside for non-profit housing developers to help purchase, rehab, and resell foreclosed properties, we aren’t eligible for it in the first place.”

“They (ACORN) have a website. Educate yourself.”
Well, if it is on a website it must be true!!!

I feel as though no one has our backs in terms of the economy or our safety.

“Oh yah I really believe the CEO of Acorn. He has NO reason to lie. Dah!”
So ACORN really is eligible for these funds, is that what you are saying?
Factcheck chimes in
Boehner and Vitter commit two logical fallacies. Their argument has the form:
1. The stimulus bill provides funding for redeveloping neighborhoods.
2. ACORN does work in redeveloping neighborhoods.
3. Therefore the stimulus bill provides funding for ACORN.
That’s an example of what philosophers call the undistributed middle fallacy. It’s a common mistake; in May 2008, we caught Sen. John McCain making a similar logical blunder. But Boehner and Vitter compound their error by treating different terms as if they had the same meaning. ACORN does indeed work in redeveloping neighborhoods, but the work that it does is not the same sort of work for which NSP provides funding. By pretending as if the two are the same, Boehner and Vitter commit the fallacy of equivocation.
We’re accustomed to seeing logical fallacies in political arguments. But working two of them into a single argument is unusually bad logic.

“The administration seems to be stuck in a weird time-warp campaign mode. Not only should they stop hitting back at every GOP criticism, but especially those from a VP in no way connected with the McCain-Palin ticket.”
I disagree.
I think its proper (politically and otherwise) to have Biden respond to Cheney’s comments.
VP to VP as it were.
Whether they are responding too often to GOP attacks, I am not sure yet.

correction…..”detritus” is what I meant to schpell….

“Would you care to detail for us the role of ACORN in Barack Obama’s campaign”
ProjectVote (which is affiliated with ACORN) was contracted by the Obama campaign for GOTV in the primaries.
They were paid about $800K.
“and his role as a litigator on behalf of ACORN in a class action suit filed vs. Citibank”
Litigators argue in court and I am pretty sure Obama did not do so in that case.
Want to know what that case was about?
“Plaintiffs alleged that the Defendant-bank rejected loan applications of minority applicants while approving loan applications filed by white applicants with similar financial characteristics and credit histories”
I guess you would prefer the bank judge people on the basis of their skin versus their credit report.
ACORN serves as a boogeyman for the right wing because the right wing sees danger in poor minorities organizing and protesting their conditions.
That’s why ACORN was blamed for the financial crisis on FoxNews while greedy and unscrupulous banks barely were mentioned in passing.

Regarding our ‘political’ future…..I remember a lecture given by the renowned R.Buckminster Fuller, at the Beckman auditorium in 1973 or ’74, talking about ‘design for the future’ issues, elect. cars, etc., He was brilliant in his knowledge of geopolitics, but he broke down in tears at the end of his talk! He finally gathered himself and announced to us all, a filled auditorium, “they will lie to us to keep us from acting on the truth”…he’s long gone now but truer words were never spoken regarding the leadership of this country. Nixon lied, Reagan lied, Bush Sr and finally old G.W. All of them liars. See where it has lead us now? What if it’s too late to correct the global-warming crisis? At least the Dems ackowledge it as valid science!

ACORN is a fraudulent organization and registers voters who are dead. obama didn’t win the election – ACORN gave him the fake votes he needed.
If you are part of this organization, I would be careful because you will be investigated once obama is exposed for the fraud he is. I think you know this already…. you’re not convincing anyone that acorn has ethics.

It is kinda funny to see so many that cite the “kool aid” drinkers as being so far off base.
It WAS Bush/Cheney that twisted/perverted our fundamental system of law, at the Constitutional level, allowing/approving torture that at this very point in time is being applied to our own citizens around the world. i.e. North Korea and the photographers they are holding.
Pointing to our position at Gitmo and the “black sites” around the globe.
Wake up and take a hard look at the REAL world, Bush/Cheney did much more, long lasting harm than any of the real “kool aid” drinkers will ever admit.

Regarding our ‘political’ future…..I remember a lecture given by the renowned R.Buckminster Fuller, at the Beckman auditorium in 1973 or ’74, talking about ‘design for the future’ issues, elect. cars, etc., He was brilliant in his knowledge of geopolitics, but he broke down in tears at the end of his talk! He finally gathered himself and announced to us all, a filled auditorium, “they will lie to us to keep us from acting on the truth”…he’s long gone now but truer words were never spoken regarding the leadership of this country. Nixon lied, Reagan lied, Bush Sr and finally old G.W. All of them liars. See where it has lead us now? What if it’s too late to correct the global-warming crisis? At least the Dems ackowledge it as valid science!
Posted by: JohnD | Apr 7, 2009 8:50:23 PM
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You must treasure that day , he was definitely a great man (a lion of a liberal as well) with some incredible insights about many things. Brilliant!
Having grown up during all the presidencies you mentioned , I do have reason to agree with you in your assessment of the last 40 years worth of republican presidents.
They ,and their intrinsically flawed elitist ideologies ,have put a torch to the cornucopia that was america and burnt to a crisp the heart and soul of the nation .
As leaders they usually leave behind terrible convoluted dirty messes that the democrats have to painfully clean up with unpopular time-consuming legislation ,and then in the end the democrats (just like now) usually take the unwarranted heat for the average joe’s/josephine’s consequent pain and misery .
Hate and/or fear driven politics to cover up conniving and ineptitude is nothing new . Buddy-Buddy ,I’m your best friend style politics is nothing new.
That the republicans can combine the 2 and fool so many is just incredible and speaks at great length to the intellect ,or rather lack thereof ,of the average american voter over the past 40 years.
It’s just LONG past time to get objectively educated ,and guess what america? Watching/eating/breathing Fox “news” aka propaganda isn’t helping at all!!

Whether George W. Bush used a Teleprompter or could not use a a Teleprompter is besides the point…
The Man was a Very Bad Leader..
Who left this Country…
[15 Trillion Dollars in Debt]
Talk about [Generational Debt] !1
Who Absolutely Destroyed this Country’s Image of World Super Power, Leader in Democracy and Good Will towards all.
Not to mention George W. Bush’s…
6 Year, 20 Billion Dollar Per Month with Interest to …
[Communist-Socialist China]
Damn the Teleprompter Bull-Spit…
Where was his Dissenters-Detractors, during the Bush-Cheney Years..
An how about the Maniacs who Voted this Man in Office for …
[ 8 Long Years] !!!
The same Squawking and Howling about the Teleprompter…
Knowing Bush could Not Read Fast and Concise Enough, to keep up, with a..
[Teleprompter]

George W. Bush left this Country with …
[[15 Trillion Dollars of Debt]]
I Thought You Low Life’s are Concerned with…
[[Generational Debt]]
HYPOCRITE
Obama’s Spending Stimulus will not start until..
[[2010]]
I guess it does not matter if its a [[Republican President]]and a..
6 Year Majority Ruling [[Republican Senate & Congress]] Screwing up the Country and leaving …
[[Generational Debt]]

We’ve all heard various ‘authorities’ speak out about the changing political landscape, atrocious behavior, killing, murder and mayhem in our society….all of these issues, spoken about by ministers and leaders around the world, but when you ‘boil-down’ the list of these horrible ‘assets’ of the current world population and the things that make life more perplexing than before, the one ingredient left off the list of requirements for a healthy society to thrive, is SHAME. Without it, we have greedy, power-crazed Nixons and Cheney’s and Bush’s….all operatives of ‘secret administrations’ and self ‘entitled’ crooks. All of them, seemingly without some degree of moral or ethical responsibility. When liars and crooks in power regurgitate information and then feed us our ‘news’ we have no chance to see hear and analyze the events around us. Enough of liars and greedy political filth! AND leave God out of it! He/She/It wouldn’t subscribe to the Republican/NeoCon’s New World Order on ANY planet let alone ours! THAT is the change we need under any name or banner! No more church/state doublespeak!

“That’s why ACORN was blamed for the financial crisis on FoxNews while greedy and unscrupulous banks barely were mentioned in passing.”
Riiiiight…and the Democrats in Congress (e.g., Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, etc.) and execs. at Fannie Mae (e.g., Franklin Raines, etc.) and the Democrat-backed Community Reinvestment Act, and speculators (of all stripes) had absolutely nothing to do with the financial crisis…keep living the dream.
“I guess you would prefer the bank judge people on the basis of their skin versus their credit report.”
Yeah, because Jesse and Big Al (and friends from ACORN) have NEVER been accused of shaking down banks, businesses, and other entities to line their respective pockets and gain influence among constituencies…again, keep livin’ the dream.

Biden reminds me of the obnoxious drunk distant uncle at a wedding reception who walks around saying stupid things that make everyone uncomfortable.

This from the man who proposed that
Iraq be divided into 3 parts,
Sunni, Shia, and Kurd.
Go back to sleep, Dopey Joe!

Biden lie during his CNN interview and he can be dumb sometime. CNN can’t be trusted anymore. CNN’s rating are so low. FOX News is still number one. Biden is right about Obama’s foreign policy would be test during his campaign. It is Obama that is dead wrong about his foreign policy. Biden is the worse Vice President in this history.
Former VP Cheney is right and I heard him about month ago. VP Cheney was the best VP for the last 8 years. He is a nice man and plain spoking person. He tell it is like it is.

The terrorists can take a break for now.. we are taking care of killing innocent people (without their help) over 50 in the past month or so.

Biden:”[O]ur interests are more secure today than they were any time during the eight years,” Biden said. “Not just at home, but around the world.”
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This administration was able to make our intersts safer in a matter of 2 months?? I don’t think so.

Time to put that guarantee to work, Chia head Joe- Barbary pirates just kidnapped 20 US citizens.
Can’t vote “Present” this time, boys.

“You know that Democrats are to blame since Democrats have no interest in actually holding hearings on the banking failure. They’re content to blame Bush.”
You know that if the Democrats did hold hearings on the banking failures that you would call it some kind of witch hunt, and if they did find that Republican policies were largely to blame that you would dismiss the findings as politically biased, so what is their motive to proceed?

it’s obvious from the hatred on this blog that we have much more to fear from each other than any foreign threat. i’m not the least bit worried about terrorists killing me. i worried about the posters on this blog.

Karen Travers writes:
The full Biden interview will air tonight on CNN on “The Situation with Wolf Blitzer.”
–> A good time to watch re-runs of “House”.

NK recent missile launch is totally different from past history, that should be fairly obvious…to suggest otherwise is ignorant…Ask anyone who lives on the Pacific Coast just how they feel regarding the stepped up effort of NK..There are time when it becomes necessary to confront our adversaries rather than rely on others who do not have our best interests at heart…

Skip “what is their motive to proceed?” Here’s a thought, how about a solution..avoiding the bad news will only create more bad news..Isn’t that what the dems campaigned on? A solution…They hold the power the “blame game” needs to end..

Well Maybe….nothing has happened yet has it?

“The launch was directed toward the Pacific Coast and it fell into the Pacific Ocean.”
ROFLMAO!
The words broad side of a barn no longer do justice to the right wing absurdity.

“Yeah, because Jesse and Big Al (and friends from ACORN) have NEVER been accused of shaking down banks, businesses, and other entities to line their respective pockets and gain influence among constituencies”
Hmmmm so on mere accusation we can derive guilt?
I guess Bush is a war criminal then as he has been accused of that many times.

“Again, sometimes one needs to take a stand to prevent further foreign policy catastrophe or worse…”
Yes, and we have not come to that time yet.

“Have you ever thought that maybe just maybe if we put a stop on their programs we can get rid of ours”
Obama has proposed that we continue to work with the UN looking at possible sanctions and continue with the 6 nation talks.
So what is your solution?
A military strike?

why not simply bomb N. Korea’s nuclear facility? Isreal bombed Syria’s site, in precise fashion (right down the stacks) with little or no collateral damage. Israel may do the same with Iran, but N. Korea is up to us. just take it out. it’s not rocket science (well actually i guess it is), we can do this. go team!

“Biden seemed pretty happy to go along with the Bush/Cheney guys for eight years.. never staged any big protest or rocked the boat too much”
Look up Biden-Lugar, his joint alternative to the IWR.

Silky says:
“Common sense says that we don’t want to po China and that diplomacy and/or buying them off is what is most likely going to solve this issue, not a premature military invasion of a nucular power with an unstable leader.”
Ugh.
Hate to say it, but silky is right on the money. NK is China’s boy, and oh did you notice who is holding a huge freaking chunk of our debt lately?

“According to Fleisher and Rove this is total BS…they say Biden never said this and are politely calling him a liar…”
Then we know what Biden said was true given the reputations and credibility of Ari Fleischer and Karl Rove.

Here’s Al Gore on Septermber 23, 2002:
“Nevertheless, all Americans should acknowledge that Iraq does indeed pose a serious threat to the stability of the Persian Gulf region, and we should be about the business of organizing an international coalition to eliminate his access to weapons of mass destruction. Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to completely deter, and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power….
What makes Saddam dangerous is his effort to acquire weapons of mass destruction….
Here’s why I say that; we know that he has stored away secret supplies of biological weapons and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Gore lied; people died.
God, this is fun!

Safer? From No Quarter “You probably saw our story the other day, “Thousands in Turkey Protest Obama,” which will give you all the details. I’m also sure you saw these images on U.S. TV, right? Yeah, right. Well, last night Truthteller discovered these incredible images at Der Spiegel, the German newspaper site that emphasize the highly significant meaning that these demonstrations, across Turkey, were exceptionally well-planned and symbolically powerful. The first image’s caption is “Not everyone was happy to see the US president. Demonstrators were on hand in Istanbul to protest US policy in the Middle East.” No kidding:
Demonstrators shout anti-U.S President Barack Obama slogans during a protest in Istanbul April 7, 2009. Obama is on the last leg of his debut trip on the world stage as president. He is trying to rebuild ties with Muslims after anger at the invasion of Iraq and war in Afghanistan, made more urgent by a strengthening al Qaeda and Taliban insurgency.Picture taken with a fish-eye lens. REUTERS/Pawel Kopczynski (TURKEY CONFLICT POLITICS)
Second image: “Many invited Obama to head back home. He had planned to do just that on Tuesday — but then made a surprise stop in Iraq to visit US troops on Tuesday.”Protestors hold a banner against US President Barack Obama’s visit during a demonstration in Istanbul on April 6, 2009. Obama, seeking to boost ties with a key Muslim ally, firmly backed Turkey’s bid to join the EU and tread carefully on Armenia’s decades-old claims of genocide. AFP PHOTO / MUSTAFA OZER
Third image: “Turkish demonstrators walking on a photo of Barack Obama in Istanbul.”
Turkish demonstrators walk on a picture of US President Barack Obama during a protest in Istanbul on April 7, 2009. Obama earlier met with university students for a discussion, before wrapping up his two-day trip to Turkey with a visit to the 16th-century Sultanahmet Mosque in the ancient heart of Istanbul, following strong messages of US reconciliation with the Islamic world on his maiden trip to a mainly Muslim country. AFP PHOTO / DIMITAR DILKOFF
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One would think/hope that this finally makes it obvious to any doubters that we in the US have a main stream network of propagandists passing themselves off as journalists. God forbid they should make us aware that the POTUS isn’t a world-wide American Idol.

How would it look if the headline was reduced?
Cheney is dead wrong??

It is only natural for each political party to claim supreme domain over the ruling or previous one. Such is the price of striving for power. I was not a fan of Cheny and I am not a fan of Biden. The ultimate test will be to see if there are no more attacks over the next 4 years. As long as we have no attacks, I do not care who needs to boast the most. Just keep America’s citizens safe.

Come on Joe, say it ain’t so!! Sounds like the walking gaffe machine has been in the sauce again…
Let’s review gang, no Somali pirates have even approached a ship flying the American flag. Well, until that spectacular world tour by the Messiah. And now, even the pirate thugs aren’t even afraid. Heck, so far we’ve had “meetings” and proposed “Senate hearings” by the haughty John Kerry as a response?
Yeah, we’re a lot safer now. I’ll bet al Qaeda is licking their chops about now…

4 MORE YEARS, 4 MORE YEARS, 4 MORE YEARS LOL

Biden is bidin his time in office….can’t wait for the next election.