Apr 30, 2009 4:58pm
Condoleezza Rice: ‘We Did Not Torture Anyone’
Stanford University students this week button-holed former National Security Advisor and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice … grilling her on Bush-era interrogation decisions in this video posted to YouTube.
It’s the first time anyone has gotten Rice on the record about the interrogation tactics since the Obama administration released the memos.
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Right in there with her pre-war comments that, “The smoking gun might be a mushroom cloud. And clearly, Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.”
Of course, parsing her language, Abu Zabyda and KHM may not be “anyones” in her world.
Posted by: B. Bear | April 30, 2009, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
New justification for torture. The Bush lawyers made me do it.
Posted by: doug | April 30, 2009, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Only a Republican can look you in the eye and lie, even when the facts against them are overwhelming. She should also be tried for war crimes.
Posted by: DaveM | April 30, 2009, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Hey, D’oh Bama! I have a new routine to get information. Give them enemies of the U.S. when were at war a nice place to stay, the lap of luxury, all the best meals they can eat, spoil them rotten. Then maybe they will talk.
Posted by: 1MANA55 | April 30, 2009, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Yes, you did torture.
Posted by: Jim Bob | April 30, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Not one person in the former Bush Administration has an OUNCE of integrity!
Posted by: gae | April 30, 2009, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
This is totally creepy… And it certainly has echoes of Nixon’s, “If the President does it, it’s not illegal.”
Posted by: tiredgirlie | April 30, 2009, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
I love this lady. She is class through and through. The left want so badly to hang her and anyone from the past administration but… she’s awsome all by herself. I couldn’t be more proud!D
Posted by: keipdog | April 30, 2009, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
So Rice, like everybody else, was “just following orders”.
I wanna know exactly which attack was prevented through waterboarding and how. I wanna know the details. Because so far I have heard no solid argument for the use of waterboarding. And I have heard pretty good arguments for why it was a big mistake, especially those from the FBI agent who initially interrogated Abu Zubaydah and made him give up the dirty bomber and KSM without torture.
Then there’s the “What would you have done in the wake of 9/11″ argument. What that argument tells me is that the Bush administration panicked and lost their moral bearings in the face of evil. That is an understandable, very human reaction, but I expect more from the POTUS. And what is really sad is that making his enemy lose sight of who they were and what they stood for may be bin Laden’s greatest victory.
Posted by: El_Pajaro | April 30, 2009, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Really Condi, then how’s about we strap you down and waterboard you a few hundred times, I bet you’d think torture and most foul then.
God, when will a neo-con admit to being wrong or take responsibility for their wrong doing?
Posted by: JR | April 30, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
President Obama in answering Tapper question last night defined waterbroading as “Torture”. The Republican party ran an ad again suggesting that President Obama is “soft” on America safety. What a joke! America does Not Torture, and the President said it was a mistake that Bush’s administration “tortured”, citing Churchhill’s having 200,000 captured, and he did not torture because it was “against the law”. The Geneva Convention. The Republican party Wants the Country to become Distracted again, in order for them not to deal with the People’s Issues. The President ‘nolle’ the political posturing that the Republicans want, allowed the decision to be with the Law of the Land! Brilliant!
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 30, 2009, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Save it for your trial Condi!
Posted by: Bondservant1958 | April 30, 2009, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Beans.
Posted by: matthew | April 30, 2009, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
“Sounds like the same TORTURE our soldiers are put through in training.”
For the 10,000th time: That is because they are training to resist torture.
Posted by: El_Pajaro | April 30, 2009, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Everyone know that Condi Rice was George Bushes closest crony. If Bush pass gas Condi is the first to shout out “SORRY” even before Bush can say sorry..George Bush would even say it was not him and Condi would say “I think it was me”. The Republicans are are a bunch of jokers and America has caught on the fact that the party of voodoo economics and unjustified wars are bad for the country. Who would take seriously a party that get its directions from the likes of Rush the comedian Limbaugh, Sean Insanity Hannitty, Glen Beck and Ann Coulter?
Posted by: Stanley | April 30, 2009, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
TORTURE? Maybe we should just behead them like they would do us! Our enemies are surely laughing. Hope we don’t get attacked under the Obama admin – we’ll REALLY be in trouble!!!!!
Posted by: 1ghostcat | April 30, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
Condi sure looked “nervous and aggitated”, because she knew the students knew that she knows that Cheney gave the orders for Waterboarding. Also, she didn’t make any sense when she tried to “spin”, thus also stating that the “president’ gave the orders. Listen to the video. Just continue to watch and listen. More is going to be revealed. The Bush Administration had nothing going for it, but “distractions” such as creating this war and creating a “dark moral” path for America. I guess when and if Jeb runs in 2016, he will torture also. His “brother didn’t get prosecuted for it”. He’ll just try and justify it with fear for the “Wingnuts” supporters, uhn, the small ones with the “little bitter brains”. Those are the ones the Republicans rely on to support their “lawless behaviors”.
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 30, 2009, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
I bet that technique would have gathered information on the camps in Germany and Poland in WWII. Could have saved millions!
Posted by: Mr. Twister | April 30, 2009, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm
“Maybe we should just behead them like they would do us!”
Why stop there? If we really wanna become like them there’s a whole host of nasty things we must adopt. Great idea.
Posted by: El_Pajaro | April 30, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
1ghostcat…then why would we call ourselves Americans, why not “terrorist”. We will be participating in the ‘same behaviors.’ We are a land of Laws. Our enemies are angry that we are “supposed” to be the “moral” leader of the world, and yet we are torturers, even though we have prosecuted others for torture. Get Real, you hypocite. I feel more safe with a “smooth, thoughtful, powerful president Obama than a “screaming, yelling bullying coward like Bush.
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 30, 2009, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Wow did she show him that if you are going to make an accusation, you better have your facts.
She showed tremendous class and explained very thoroughly to him. He had a little eye opening experience as to the scope of a sec. of state.
I can’t believe there are kids out there that dismiss the deaths of 3000 civillians on our own soil as nothing. They think that the nazi’s were more of an enemy, even though they never attacked our homeland or civillians. 9/11 has become politicized, which is disgusting.
Posted by: Jay | April 30, 2009, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
EL_Pajaro: We as a country elected George Bush president, as well as every member of congress. Everyone elected official in both parties and all 3 branches of government knew about the waterboarding. Therefore, by your logic, we all share the blame and should all go to jail. That being said, specifically, the decision to splash water in the faces of various aspiring mass murderers prevented the bombing of Liberty Tower in Los Angeles, CA and the bombing of the Brooklyn Bridge in NYC, NY. Is that good enough for you? Does that meet YOUR standards???
Posted by: Think... | April 30, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Churchill during WWII, you idiots did not Torture even though he was fighting the persistant Nazis. He held to the law known as the Geneva Convention, by the way, the United States wrote the doctrine!
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 30, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
beto…..dead on. Think….. If you think ‘splashing water’ is the definition of Waterboarding, then maybe you should research the topic. Furthermore, the Liberty Tower threat did not meet the ‘timeline” according to the documentations. Americans are far more intelligent than “gullible.” Americans, real Americans live within a land of Laws.
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 30, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
Think,
it is not true that everybody knew about the waterboarding when it took place. Very few did. And besides, knowing about something that you have no power to prevent is not a crime.
Regarding the Liberty Tower in Los Angeles: That story was planted by Bush’s former speechwriter and has been debunked since. The dates simply don’t add up.
The Brooklyn Bridge: Haven’t heard about that. Care to elaborate?
Posted by: El_Pajaro | April 30, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Someone please help me. I rolled my eyes and they got stuck in the back of my head.
Posted by: richard kobzey | April 30, 2009, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
ITS TORTURE READING THESE WEAK KNEED POSTS ABOUT HOW TO BE NICE WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KILL YOU. WHAT DOES JOE BIDEN THINK ABOUT ALL OF THIS? HE SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ONE CAPABLE OF TELLING THE TRUTH.IF YOU ARE GOING TO FRY CONDI THEN NANCY PEOLSI, HARRY REID ETC ETC …THEY ALL KNEW.
Posted by: catman | April 30, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Well I was trying to use the prefered terminology describing the 18-24 age group. The leftwing calls that age group that is in the military, kids.
Is it a double standard with you that only those in liberal colleges of that age group are, what did you call it, smart, intelligent, rational, thoughtful and engaged?
You need to get a grip and stop spamming your anti Bush tripe.
Posted by: Kate | April 30, 2009, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
As a college professor, my “students” are neither ignorant nor naive. They are the future of this democracy, and they remain engaged. The Republican party has advocated for decades against education because they know that education and knowledge is Powerful. The Republican party puts their foot on the necks of any uneducated, poor, uninformed man or women in America to further created a “smaller” circle of the Powerful…etc. their children, cronies and the “circle of “well planted” fortunate ones who was born with a “silver spoon”. This is the Republican “mantra” …fear (born out of ignorance), hate (have to dislike something, in order to create the fear), all “bottled up” in hypocricy, while using the American Flag.
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 30, 2009, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
“Waterboarding is a form of torture[1][2] that consists of immobilizing the victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. By forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences drowning and is caused to believe they are about to die.”
Hardly splashing water in their faces or as Cheney puts it, “pouring water on their heads”, if they think they’re dying and we do it hundreds of times, IT’S TORTURE.
Posted by: JR | April 30, 2009, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm
Do anyone Really Thinks that the Congress was given the “details” of how this Administration was going to Torture. Believe me, there was no Love from the Congress to the Bush Administration, remember Bush stole the election from Gore, he and his brother, then governor of Florida.
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 30, 2009, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
Authorized by the President? Remember Nixon’s comment? When the President does it, it’s not illegal. Rice is afraid, very afraid. Thank Ms. Garcia and the young man interviewing Rice. You both did a better job than our own congress in interrogating Rice. Anyone who thinks torture is OK is no better than the people we torture. Why bow to their level and become one of them. This is why Rice tries so hard to rise out of the mire she & the others put themselves into.
Posted by: Maggie | April 30, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
I’d love to hear Ms. Rice’s definition of “torture”. Amazing what these people will say now. Simply amazing.
Posted by: Teresa | April 30, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Waerboarding is TORTURE,TORTURE,TORTURE! The Republican party is TORTURE, TORTURE,TORTURE! Get rid do waterboarding and Republicans “Please go away”. Come back in 2016 When the best president would have completed his service to this country.
Posted by: Stanley | April 30, 2009, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
She’s a liar. They most certainly tortured and there is ample evidence. They have betrayed this country and all who stand for honor and human dignity. She should be locked up along with the rest of that criminal administration.
Let the healing begin. We must now ask the rest of the world to forgive us.
Posted by: Marine Vet | April 30, 2009, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
I am literally sick of the Republican party..with its policies of trickle down economics(voodoo economics and it penchant for starting unjustified wars)..it makes me sick..almost akin to the swine flu! Awhhh! Condi has always been a Bush apologists..she’s still at it..you go girl!
Posted by: Stanley | April 30, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
I think Condi is nervous that she will be called to testify and end up in jail. Amazing how nervous they all are, except Bush
Posted by: jeanne021556 | April 30, 2009, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
deny deny deny stall deny deny stall stall stall and deny some more. That pretty much sums up the ENTIRE Bush Presidency. They subverted the law and refuse to be truthful with the American people. ALL of the Bush top Administration have come out against truthfulness and informing the public of their deeds. Why would all of these former Administration officials be so vocal about their opposition to releasing information? Because they are ALL afraid of prosecution and they ALL know what they did was against the law and against American principles. There is a chance, slim, but a chance that some of them could see time in prison.
Posted by: dan | April 30, 2009, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
sngeorgia – well stated.
Posted by: Jordan | April 30, 2009, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
President Bush did his best uner the circomstances of 911 and bad advisors who seemed to have come from the Middle East and were going out of their way to delete me and my life work to prevent war and violence and they still do by the way in President Obama’s time, and did not pay attention to the solutions I presented which is Universal Laws of Human Rights enforced by the UN. Something that is still being ignored and I am afraid the politics & competitive rivalry in our own system is far more significant than solution for lives and a lasting peace that I have. Those hwo are stealing my lfie work think they have better answers than I and it is never that way!
Posted by: RosefParvin | April 30, 2009, 7:53 pm 7:53 pm
“Stop screaming – we’re not torturing you, we’re just enhancing your interrogation.”
Posted by: Stephen | April 30, 2009, 7:57 pm 7:57 pm
The left wants us to believe we water boarded hundreds or thousands of terrorists. The fact is we waterboarded 3, and they were the worst of the worst and we had credible info that they had knowledge of impending attacks. It worked and prevented a 9/11 type attack in LA.
Posted by: LIBERTY | April 30, 2009, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm
Waterboarding is not torture! Reading the comments here is torture! I would rather be waterboarded than be stuck in an elevator with Harry Reid!
Posted by: Erkel | April 30, 2009, 8:00 pm 8:00 pm
There is no press secretary between her and the rest of us now. It must be a serious adjustment to have to live among the rest of us, to look into the eyes of the students and hear them ask her about torture. The nervousness and tension was obvious. Colin Powell had the character to walk away, but she never did.
Posted by: Kara | April 30, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Have any of the anti-torture whacko’s who complain so loudly about the alledged torture of terrorist, ever read the U.S. Statutes defining torture?
Posted by: we_are_not_amused | April 30, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Condoleezza Rice is the most level headed person in the Bush administration. She speaks with reason, logic, and truth. Make up your stories people, that’s all you will ever have.
Posted by: Don | April 30, 2009, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm
pathetic that it takes students and comedians to show journalists how to do their job.
Posted by: Shawn | April 30, 2009, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
She should be Tortured for not speaking up when Bush/ Cheney came up with this idea and the whole Iraq mess. She is a “Yes” woman and was worthless.
Posted by: CAB | April 30, 2009, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
Peronally, I don’t care what the Bush Administration did.
IF any of my loved ones are ever in trouble and I have an “Inkling” of an idea that some sorry individual is sitting on the info I need to save them, you can bet your rear, I will do whatever I HAVE TO to save them.
If any of you have anyone out there that you LOVE and tell me that you will not go to that extent to SAVE YOUR LOVED ONE, then YOU ARE A LIAR or YOU ARE ONE SORRY INDIVIDUAL.
If I will die for someone I love, you can bet your rear what I will do to you to save them.
Posted by: ajax | April 30, 2009, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
what do you mean woman, you didn’t torture anyone? The 9/11 terrorists may have had a catapillar phobia. If obama says it’s torture, lady it’s torture.
Posted by: Sharon Jones in Los Angeles | April 30, 2009, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Bash Bush, Bash Bush, Bash Condi, Bash Condi, Bash Cheney, Bash Cheney, whine, whine, whine, and whine somemore. What the he11 would the Democrats do if they really had to face a disaster like 9/11. What the he11 would little wet behind the ears obama do? This slobbering love affair is getting so tiresome and the Bush bashing is getting absurd. The guy kept us safe for 8 years and did the best he could to fend off economic crisis until the world could better handle it.
Posted by: Sharon Jones in LA | April 30, 2009, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
al-Qaida is a greater threat to the U.S. than was Nazi Germany? Someone doesn’t know her history. Shows the baseline lack of reasonableness that we were dealing with.
Posted by: Ben | April 30, 2009, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm
Very well spoken, Condi. You are a class
act. Articulately she explained to this young, arrogant, uninformed student that
he had not done his homework. But then he does attend Stanford University where
the elite, bight youth come together to
read, in theory, how to fix the world.
Obviously this gentleman and film maker
haven’t studied public policy,the Bush
administration did not subvert the law,
on September 11th the law was subverted
for us.
Posted by: RedTrunk | April 30, 2009, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm
So you didn’t torture. But you DID waterboard, right Condi? So, does that mean that the Japanese soldiers that were executed after WWII for waterboarding American GIs during the war were killed for nothing? Or did you and your comrades-in-war-crimes conveniently change the definition of “torture?”
Posted by: Justice For All | April 30, 2009, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm
so lets prosecute americans who tried to stop another devastating attack on civilians,by giving jihadist a cold shower with a rag over their face???but obama authorizes the murder of three teenage somalia coast guard (sharptons words not mine)and he’s a hero?
Posted by: 210str8ejj | April 30, 2009, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm
liar liar pants on fire!!… justice is coming!!… no wonder the bush/cheney administration is hiring lawyers left and right… justice can’t come soon enough!
Posted by: earth_not_flat | April 30, 2009, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
I tell you what, Condi. Why don’t you submit to some waterboarding and then you can claim it is not torture!
Posted by: sosupernova | April 30, 2009, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
These are a 100 days of victory for Obama and America, and a 100 days of shame for Bush and his cronies.
Posted by: what667 | April 30, 2009, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
Let’s look at who we are dealing with (or with whom we are dealing??)Would beheading be preferable to waterboarding??
Posted by: BJM | April 30, 2009, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
J House,
That doesn’t work anymore since Obama won!Condi has been and continues to be an apologist for Bush and she is doing a good job at it.
Posted by: Stanley | April 30, 2009, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm
Rice is a liar and a sycophant, and obviously thinks the American people are stupid. The whole Bush administration is very condescending to the people of this country, and I take it personally.
Posted by: Pam | April 30, 2009, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
I guess the same people that are whining over the Waterboarding would have wanted to bring up criminal charges for Dropping the Atomic Bomb on Japan.
They would have rather thousands of more American Military had of died trying to make them surrender without it.
Posted by: ajax | April 30, 2009, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Socialism is oppressive.
Obama is a socialist as are the Democrats.
In the great depression, the great socialist Roosevelt spend 8% of GDP to recover from a 27% decline in GDP. Obama has now spent 28% of GDP to recover from a 6% decline in GDP.
Please, socialists. Move to some other oppressive country where the freedoms and opportunity of America don’t exist. I’m sure Hugo Chavez wants you there.
Posted by: Death to Socialism | April 30, 2009, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
She was *rude* and extremely *condescending* — “Did you know that? Did you know that?” — and of course, avoided the question.
Did you know Madam Secretary, that Japanese soldiers who waterboarded American soldiers were found guilty of torture in American courts? Did you know that? Did you know that? DID YOU KNOW THAT?
Yes the security cooperation found the prison a model prison, they did not, however, and nor did the IRC find the TREATMENT of the prisoners to be model treatment. Indeed, the IRC called it explicitly torture.
Posted by: Hein | April 30, 2009, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
Owned… Even though She skated through the question like a politician woulod she still owned the dude.
Posted by: martinezpj1 | April 30, 2009, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
wow a high school student stands up to her and she defensively shuts him up… what a witch!… i have even LESS respect for her now than ever and am doubly committed to pushing for not only bush/cheney prosecution but HER prosecution.. what a turd
Posted by: earth_not_flat | April 30, 2009, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
The Geneva Convention was probably a factor in Churchill’s decision not to torture, but surely it was secondary to the fact that he believed it was immoral.
The nation was traumatized after 9/11. We trusted our leaders to handle our security and were diverted from a pursuit of Bin Laden by their deceptive assertions about Saddam. These so called “public servants” exploited our national trauma.
The Executive Branch became a version of the Taliban, justifying every egregious act with a zealot’s false ideology, which in itself was just a ruse, because with them the bottom line is ALWAYS the bottom line.
Posted by: GIJoe | April 30, 2009, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm
this criminal is defending breaking the law by saying ‘we were under alot of pressure after 911′… phooey!… your inability to deal with the crisis PROVES you and bush and cheney and the rest of your regime was INCOMPETENT to deal properly with 911 and every other issue that was brought before you… THAT is why your administration has failed on practically EVERY FRONT… saying ‘you were not there’ is NO DEFENSE!… one thing i will say is that although it is an outrage to see her being rude, it is WONDERFUL to see her obviously shaking in her boots… i hope that young man who asked her those hard questions is reading these posts as he has MORE INTEGRITY than the whole Bush Regime put together… good for him!… i’d like to shake his hand!
Posted by: earth_not_flat | April 30, 2009, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
I love Condi – she is the truth
Posted by: Maggie | April 30, 2009, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
Maggie,
Are you living in an alternate universe? No one in the Bush Administration “is the truth!” Condi took part in administrative decisions – you know – the ones that brought us:
1. Two illegal wars
2. Record shattering deficits
3. Horrible economy
4. Rampant corporate abuse
5. Unprecedented government corruption
6. Torture
7. Discrimination
8. A more dangerous world
9. Government waste
10. Politicization of the Justice Department
11. Lack of response to Hurricane Katrina
12. Millions more without health care
13. Poor quality jobs
And more….”love” Condi all you want. You just lost all of your credibility. Get out of your bubble and take a look at the real world.
Posted by: sandy | April 30, 2009, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
Remember that George Bush kept you liberal extremists safe for 8 years before 01/20/2009. You guy are very ungrateful. It is us taxpayers who keep you fed and keep you warmed and keep you schooled. So you can enjoy your freedom. Now we got a socialist, semi-communist, and apologist, who turns our country into a mess in just 100 days. This guy really deserves:
F for National security, because all he has been doing is to undermine national security.
F for his “I am sorry” and “I apologize on behalf of American people” foreign policy to every one who does not like America, including America’s enemies.
F for supporting abortion without a reason.
F for managing our country’s. long term economic future, because he promotes and carries socialist policies, which have been de-credited and proven failure in all comminist countries around the world.
F for being dishonest, because he said that all his problems are Bush’s faults.
F for being a bad example to our young generation for sneering “something” in the white house, supplied by his Chief of Staff?
F for chasing his dog in the White House rather than chasing terrorists.
F for scaring NEW YORKERS rather than terrorists.
However, he got an A+ in using his telepomter whenever and wherever he can.
Posted by: Joe | April 30, 2009, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
She can lie her way out of a steel mesh and still come out appearing innocent. I fear people like her. She is a survival artist….surviving eight years of wrongdoing and short sightedness.
Posted by: Pat | May 1, 2009, 12:53 am 12:53 am
water boarding , keeping someone awake for days ,not torture now you want to mention germany in world war 2 they skined the hands of people and made gloves from them, they cut off fingers one at a time ,they hung people upside down for days ,they put salt in the eyes of people till they talked ,and other things they wouldnt let me write on here too graphic now the japanize they stuck bamboo inder finger nails and wet it till it swelled enuff to tear your finger nails off ,they put you in a tin box for weeks in the sun,they shot weapons beside the captureds ears till they busted your eardrums,not to mention the beatings,this is torture not what we did to terrorists who had our peoples heads cut off and taped it for you to see now your the president in three hours were gonna lose 3000 more people do you extract the information or do you say let it happen its the right thing to do ?
Posted by: david reyes | May 1, 2009, 2:27 am 2:27 am
Thank god now we are not torture because Allah bless America
Posted by: vonkiet | May 1, 2009, 2:28 am 2:28 am
UNBELIEVEABLE! This sickens me. I hope they turn the heat up on this one.
Posted by: trishpop | May 1, 2009, 3:12 am 3:12 am
She held her own.
Cheney and Bush tried to push Colin Powell in front of their
Weapons of Mass Destruction train, now they are hoping and praying Condi takes the fall for waterboarding. Not this time boys, she’s too wise and we all know she didn’t have the authority to authorize torture; that’s Dubya’s territory.
Posted by: clarity | May 1, 2009, 4:47 am 4:47 am
Since when is giving someone an upside down shower torture. Cutting off a finger is torture. Having to look at a picture of Nancy Pelosi is torture. Having to listen to a no talent freak Perez Hilton is torture. Water boarding was probably the first bath these PIGS got – so now good hygiene is torture?
Posted by: Juan Carlos Diego Raul Sanchez | May 1, 2009, 7:50 am 7:50 am
Ahhh
It is so nice to see a liberal put in place.
Poor kid, believes in half truths and silly chants shouted at protests rather than what is really going on. He learned.
Another lesson learned would be if you think just because you are a liberal student, you can take on the SoS with a doctorite, you will get schooled. You do NOT know the full story to anything, she does. You only know what your sponge brain is sucking in from your professor.
That’s ok, she got him. And did it with tremendous class. Make a ridiculous statement to her, she will bloody your nose. And rightfully so.
Posted by: Kate | May 1, 2009, 8:30 am 8:30 am
How far down can the good Dr. Rice go in her denial of torture? I really can’t believe she said that. I’m guessing she will have to go to her grave denying things about George Bush’s administration. Or maybe the truth will come out in one of her books one of these days.
Posted by: Bob | May 1, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am
david reyes – based upon what you said – maybe waterboarding doesn’t even come close to those horrible types of torture. But, we as Americans have to live to a higher standard and allow no torture. If we do, we are no better than the Japanese, Germans, North Vietnamese or Al Qaeda and have learned nothing from history. Enough torture can extract anything from anybody. It doesn’t prove that that person knows anything of value.
Posted by: Bob | May 1, 2009, 8:51 am 8:51 am
Torture is an extreme..Causes premanent damage to another..Waterboarding..did it cause premenant damage? I would think the question will always be Did they legally go over the line in their methods? Torture causes people to say anything even untruths..which an enemy would lie anyway..So..Can’t they just give them a truth serum instead?..
Posted by: AnnD52 | May 1, 2009, 8:52 am 8:52 am
Kate- “It is so nice to see a liberal put in place….”—————————————————————
Why is it always necessary to label people who have questions. He was young but his questions were legit. I agree, Rice did handle them with class. She is a classy lady, but that does not mean that his comment was “ridiculous”. I’m sorry, but when you use words like “sponge brain” implying that he only knows what some professor taught him, makes you look equally ridiculous. The fact is that the Bush administration does have questions to answer on this subject. And no matter which label you choose to put on us..they need to answer to all of us because we are Americans, not because we are liberals or conservatives. It is always interesting to me that when someone disagrees with us we label them as an extremist. The fact is most Americans are moderates and not extreme anything.
Posted by: Olivia | May 1, 2009, 8:56 am 8:56 am
if you can name 1 conflict that we did not ‘torture’ during, you can go after the previous administration. face it, we’ve always done it. the only difference now is that it is known to the public. i’m not saying whether it is right or wrong, but it has always been done. the whole ‘the US does not torture’ thing is a load of bs. we have even killed civilians…yep, shot them dead so that they would not give up our positions. war is hell…people die…bad things happen. move on and worry about things that are actually affecting your day-to-day life.
Posted by: stdntdrvr | May 1, 2009, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Rice Get a Lawyer Hun your Gonna need it!I Belive you Just admitted to Breaking the Law!
Posted by: Angie in Pa | May 1, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Posted by: DaveM | Apr 30, 2009 6:00:
I guess you consider Obama a republican. He has been caught in so many lies it is unbelievable. The latest one was in his national press conference where he said Churchill did not torture anybody. This he made up just to support his point. This is what democrats are good at….making up stories to support thier claims because there are no facts to substantiate their lies.
Posted by: Safetynet1 | May 1, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Not one person in the former Bush Administration has an OUNCE of integrity!
Gae, and the Obama administration is the epitomy of integrity? Geez. They are all politicians and they all lie and cheat and steal from the taxpayer.
Posted by: mj | May 1, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am
This is just amazing. A new poll out today shows that people who attend church on a regular basis are more likely to approve of torture. This just shows how sick and mind conforming religion truly is. Condi must go to church on a daily basis along with Bush and all of his other right wingers. Religion kills. Or as in this case, tortures.
Posted by: Chuck | May 1, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Can we construe Condi’s statement as a “not guilty” plea to criminal conspiracy.
I don’t understand how she can say she didn’t torture anyone. She, Georgie, Dickie, and Donny tortured this country for 8 years.
Of course, there clearly were other victims. She might actually be prosecuted on behalf of those victims.
Posted by: Sammy | May 1, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Rice sometimes gets overlooked when names from Bush’s gang get mentioned for being accused of war crimes, but she certainly was as deeply involved as Cheney, Bush, and Wolfowitz. The student who pinned her down on the question of torture deserves a lot of credit for dragging her out from underneath her rock. I suspect she’s been lying low hoping for it all to blow over. Let’s hope that she gets what’s coming to her.
Posted by: leftyintexas | May 1, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Condi your arrogance betrays you. Guilty GOP
Posted by: Pammy | May 1, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am
Get real. The only reason we are having this discussion is because the left is in charge and they HATE George Bush. Not just dislike, not just disagree, they HATE him and his administration. The left believes that all conservatives are stupid and rednecks. So don’t try and cloak your outrage in “Americans need to know” BS. You want to punish George Bush and his administration any way you can. End of story.
Posted by: saintknowitall | May 1, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
sngeorgia – the Geneva convention as you know as a college professor (ha), is for uniformed combatants. The real issue is that defining torture is difficult. THe left automatically thinks anything that makes someone uncomfortable is torture.
The 9-11 commission criticized the government for not having enough human intelligence and the administration set out to gather that information. And there is ample evidence for the open minded that valuable information was gained using these “enhanced” techniques.
When the next attack occurs, and the congressional committee again reports that we didn’t do our job in obtaining intelligence, then we will see who gets the blame. You can be assured it will somehow be Bush’s fault.
Posted by: saintknowitall | May 1, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
The idea that our president can just make up his own laws is atrocious. That isn’t how our country is set up, it isn’t a tyranny. We are a country with a rule of law.
Experts have proved again and again that the information extracted with torture is not reliable and that information received through non-coercive methods works much better. We’ve decided this a long time ago, based our laws on these facts.
Torture is wrong, yields unreliable information and is against our laws. Those responsible need to be brought up on charges.
Posted by: Lydia | May 1, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
I wonder if she’d say that if her Grandfather had been treated in the very same manner during WWII? Somehow I think not. The position the Bushies have taken is indefensible because the methods they condoned WERE torture when used on American or Allied Troops then so IT IS torture when we use on anyone.
There is no other way to view it without being immoral and un-ethical! Interrogation tactics that equal torture when applied TO Americans are STILL torture if applied BY Americans to anyone anywhere in the world…for ANY reason. You cannot ever take a moral high ground if you’ve climbed out of the gutter to do it!
Prosecute those involved in torturing starting at the top but carrying through all the way to the bottom. The Attys who said it was OK, the Officials who made it policy and the men and women who followed that policy. A Soldier swears an oath to protect their country from dangers within as well as without the nation. They did not do that and so are guitly.
Posted by: IndiLyndi | May 1, 2009, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
I really wish all of the immoral idiots, including this woman, who don’t believe torture was perpetrated or somehow believe that it was somehow justified; should be waterboarded just once – not 183 times – just once. I wonder how they would feel after going through it? Torture is immoral and illegal. Period. It doesn’t matter who was being tortured or what they supposedly did – that is irrelevant. What matters is that anyone who believes that the END JUSTIFIES THE MEANS is capable of ANYTHING – any atrocity and any crime because it can all be justified using a warped sense of right and wrong.
Posted by: DaveM | May 1, 2009, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Lydia,
1. CIA went to the President/NSC and told him American’s lives are at stake if we don’t use these methods.
2.The Presient sought and received legal findings and opinions to create the order for ‘enhanced interrogation’.
3. He notified Congress (Gang of 8, as the law requires…including the PRESENT speaker of the house)
4. He instructed CIA to carry out the EO
5. They did their duty and followed the law
They followed the law.
AQ is not recog. under Geneva Conv. (Obama’s own Justice Dept agrees with this)
Posted by: J House | May 1, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Lydia,
You are against torture because-
1. ‘wrong’, or, immoral
ok, you have your right on that one.
But, this wasn’t ‘torture’.
2. ‘Torture’ doesn’t work
This is where you are wrong and mistaken on 2 points-
First, there are plenty of cases where ‘torture’ and these methods CIA used has worked.
The ‘take’ from KSM helped nab Hambali, who murdered over 200 in Bali in 2002.
BTW, he is hardcore AQ and would gladly do it again if not caught.
And, we ‘outsourced’ real torture under the Clinton rendition program.Micheal Scheuer, who ran the program at CIA, testifed to it in front of Delahunt’s committee ‘rendition’ hearings(go to CSPAN, 6:42:47 in the video). So, be consistent and include that admin in your diatribes.
Posted by: J House | May 1, 2009, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
If your child was being held hostage and the one person who knew where they were you would just say lets talk nice.
Posted by: Jane | May 1, 2009, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
So if you knew the worst that was going to happen to you was talking – Would you spill your guts?
Posted by: Jane | May 1, 2009, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Good! You tell ‘em Condi!
Posted by: Arizona Mom | May 1, 2009, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Bush kept our nation safe since 9/11, and Bush spoke out against torture. When tactics were used that were not approved or not aligned with international standards of treatment, those individuals were reprimanded and prosecuted. Bush sent a message that torture was not supported. The CIA prohibited and stopped waterboarding under President Bush’s term. I hope Obama continues this initiative to make all torture unaccepted and illegal.
Posted by: Jack | May 1, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
I missed Condi Rice. We still need her in the WH to keep some type of sanity and some maturity there.
Posted by: US Constitution | May 1, 2009, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
I respect her comments yesterday, especially letting him talk (remember Barney Frank interview where he insulted he questioner?)
She will be remembered as inneffective though.The NSC, Pentagon, State Dept bungled the aftermath of the invasion of Iraq…no one disagress it took them yrs to get it right.
She is a patriot and did what she thought was right for America.But, some of the blame for 9/11 goes to Conni, I’m afraid.
When she said ‘we couldn’t conceive of this’ I thought, ‘lets get someone who can before it happens again’.
Posted by: J House | May 1, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
It is so funny how the Bush supporters keep on bring up 9-11. Lets see do any of you know who master minded it and who the leader was? ….. Ok so what country were these people hiding in? Ok so not tell me why Bush broke his word to the American People when he stated that he will get the people responsible?
Why is it the Saddam and his sons are dead, mind you these very bad people did not have anything to do with 9-11. Now tell us all why Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda is still alive and growing stronger? Now tell us why the Bush Administration told our special forces to stand down when we had Osama Bin Laden in our sites and let the Osama Bin Laden sympathisers (Afghanistan Army)try to capture his and then stone wall the USA and Allies until he could escape?
Posted by: Truth | May 1, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
J House, people will say or doing anything to stop the pain. How do you know if someone that is being tortured is telling you the truth or just saying what you want to hear? This happens all the time.
Posted by: Just wondering | May 1, 2009, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
I can assure you that if our son or daughter is captured by this enemy, they will torture and kill them no matter what we do.
You see, they think god is on their side and therefore, it is justified.
Yes, ‘torture’ doesn’t always work.Neither do these interrogation techniques, which in my opinion, aren’t torture.
But that isn’t how this works…we cross-check every answer they give us with other facts, that lead us to the truth.
We don’t just take their information on their word.It simply doesn’t work that way.We have hundreds of other pieces of information we use to interview them…most of this ‘torture’ is used to confuse them and catch them in a lie.
Read the memos yourself…the broad use of all techniques ends up working together to fill in a more complete picture…which yields results.
Posted by: J House | May 1, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
And let me be clear (as the President likes to say)-
Beating with electric cables, electrocution, pulling out fingernails,gouging eyes,breaking limbs…THAT is torture, my friends.
Which, BTW, Egypt and Morocco, among other places, regularly do to their suspects.
And low and behold, those are places we sent AQ suspects in the Clinton years, with full WH knowledge.
Now, I ask you, where would you rather be if you are a AQ captive?
Posted by: J House | May 1, 2009, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm
J House SAID- Beating with electric cables, electrocution, pulling out fingernails,gouging eyes,breaking limbs…THAT is torture,….
H House, I was just wondering if you have been a prisoner of war? Well John McCain was – and he said waterboarding is torture. That is good enough for me.
Posted by: Olivia | May 1, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
ajax- I understand your sentiments. If someone you love has their life on the line – even torture seems ok. But, I look at it from the perspective that if someone I loved was captured and being tortured, how would we even be able to complain if we are doing the same thing? How can we say that what they are doing is illegal when we are doing it ourselves? During World War II, despite what some say here, it was known that the US did not torture prisoners and Japan did. I’m sure, like in all wars there were isolated incidents. But we were proud of the fact that we treated our prisoners in a humane manner. It’s sad that even the Red Cross complained about the treatment of prisoners during the Bush era. I agree with Obama – our country should be above such things. If not – we are as bad as the people we are fighting. You never loose by doing the moral thing.
Posted by: Olivia | May 1, 2009, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
She’s right because our laws provide that the accused are innocent until proven guilty. The Libs like to make exceptions to the rule and they still fail to show why something that causes no physical or mental harm is torture. Torture is a journalist getting his head cut off while he’s screaming in horror of the action that’s being performed on him. This journalist felt the unimaginable pain and horror before his body ceased to function.
Hey Libs, you may want to revisit YOUR definition of torture.
Don’t believe for a second that your Messiah Obama wouldn’t do just like Bush to save thousands of lives but he just maybe smart enough to keep it from leaking to the MSM.
Posted by: twoforone | May 1, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Of course, she is correct: water-boarding is NOT a near-drowning technique- the subject is never in danger of drowning.
And water-boarding is NOT torture- there is no physical harm to the subject.
This snarky student was a typical righteous but poorly informed Obot, with sweeping generalizations and “knows” an awful lot of stuff that isn’t true.
Condi did the right thing in the now defunct War on Terror, and has nothing to hide. She doesn’t take any crap about it from some college kid, either… maybe he wasn’t aware she was drawn from the world of academia, and is familiar with his type.
Posted by: Reaganite Republican Resistance | May 1, 2009, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm
So the US should be labeled as a terrorist state for our past leader gave in to terrorist tactics and authorized torture. We as a world leader condemned the use of torture. Bush invaded Iraq because (one of his reasons) He tortures his own people, so we killed him.
U.S. prosecutors want a Miami judge to sentence the son of former Liberian President Charles Taylor to 147 years in prison for torturing people when he was chief of a brutal paramilitary unit during his father’s reign.
Perhaps the most well-known instance of a national official being tried in a foreign court occurred in 1998 when former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet, was arrested in the United Kingdom under an international arrest warrant issued by Spanish judge. Although the government of Chile opposed his arrest, he was placed under house arrest under charges that he tortured 94 Spanish citizens while he was the Chilean head of state between 1973 and 1990.
Posted by: Truth | May 1, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
Waterboarding is a form of torture[1][2] that consists of immobilizing the victim on his or her back with the head inclined downwards, and then pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. By forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences drowning and is caused to believe they are about to die.[3] It is considered a form of torture by legal experts,[4][5] politicians, war veterans,[6][7] intelligence officials,[8] military judges,[9] and human rights organizations.[10][11] As early as the Spanish Inquisition it was used for interrogation purposes, to punish and intimidate, and to force confessions.[12]
In contrast to submerging the head face-forward in water, waterboarding precipitates a gag reflex almost immediately.[13] The technique does not inevitably cause lasting physical damage. It can cause extreme pain, dry drowning, damage to lungs, brain damage from oxygen deprivation, other physical injuries including broken bones due to struggling against restraints, lasting psychological damage or, ultimately, death.[4] Adverse physical consequences can start manifesting months after the event; psychological effects can last for years.[14]
Posted by: Truth | May 1, 2009, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Vietnam War
Waterboarding was designated as illegal by U.S. generals in the Vietnam War.[76] On January 21, 1968, The Washington Post published a controversial photograph of two U.S soldiers and one South Vietnamese soldier participating in the waterboarding of a North Vietnamese POW near Da Nang.[77] The article described the practice as “fairly common”.[77] The photograph led to the soldier being court-martialled by a U.S. military court within one month of its publication, and he was discharged from the army
Posted by: Truth | May 1, 2009, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Reaganite Republican Resistance, why don’t you and Hannity sign up for waterboarding to show us nah sayers it is not torture? Hannity said he would do it for Charity but when told that for every minute of water boarding 1000.00 would be donated to a charity of his choice. Wonder why he has not signed up for it after saying he would on National TV.
Posted by: How about this | May 1, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
The United States Supreme Court in Sosa v. Alvarez-Machain, said that the Universal Declaration of Human Rights “does not of its own force impose obligations as a matter of international law.”[144] However, the United States has a historical record of regarding waterboarding as a war crime, and has prosecuted as war criminals individuals for the use of the practice in the past. In 1947, the United States prosecuted a Japanese military officer, Yukio Asano, for carrying out various acts of torture including kicking, clubbing, burning with cigarettes and using a form of waterboarding on a U.S. civilian during World War II. Yukio Asano received a sentence of 15 years of hard labor.[77] The charges of Violation of the Laws and Customs of War against Asano also included “beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward.”[145] In addition, the European Court of Human Rights ruled in February 2008 that local considerations do not negate the absolute torture prohibition under international law.[131][132]
Posted by: more | May 1, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
She was angry, defensive and very unprofessional! She has a lot to defend and she better start learning to speak the truth!
Posted by: Paulet | May 1, 2009, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm
On September 11, 2001 a bunch of no good, lousy, evil cowards killed women, children, the poor, the rich, soldiers, pacifists, believers in God, Nonbelievers, African Americans, European Americans, Asian Americans, Hispanic Americans, Native Americans… citizens of the USA and citizens from other countries. I don’t care what their justification, it was an evil, evil, evil act. If interrogations were/are needed to find out if such an act would be carried out again, then I don’t give a durn if water-boarding, extracting fingernails, playing loud music for hours on end, stripping people buck-naked, etc were/are being used.
I mean, how many innocent Americans, Africans employed by the US Dept of State were killed when our embassy was bombed in Nairobi? Was that done because we had water-boarded anyone? The World Trade Center bombing in 1993, was that done because we had water-boarded anyone? The American housing area in Saudi Arabia, which killed a number of children and families, who were engaged in a little league baseball game; was that because we had water-boarded anyone?
Maybe the government of Spain engaged in water-boarding… Maybe that’s the reason this scum blew up women, children, the young and old as they got on commuter trains in Madrid.
Terrorist will blow you away and the only thing they will feel is the recoil of the gun or the shake of the earth from a bomb.
Secretary Rice is one of the best people to ever come out of Alabama. She is a brilliant, dedicated, devoted, compassionate LADY. It is an honor to have someone like this great human being on our side.
Posted by: Percy | May 1, 2009, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
The release of the torture detail by current administration certainly make politics less exciting as a life long career, women are no exception. Condi Rice may be subjected to question in court in Europe, if she goes to a country in Europe to give a well paid lecture or speech. Speaker Pelosi could be in same kind of trouble if she visit Europe again in a friendship mission since she was briefed by CIA before about the torture and kept secret of the incident
Posted by: austin | May 1, 2009, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
Olivia,
Whether one is a prisoner of war is irrelevant. I respect John MeCain’s opinion, and honor his service.
He was tortured.
AQ does not take prisoners.They behead them or slit their throats.They kill thousands of innocents in an hour and a half.They fly them into buildings….on purpose.
They aren’t into demands and prisoner exchanges. Even the North Vietnamese were more civilized, and McCain would agree with that.
In other words, they don’t follow the laws of war, and don’t deserve Geneva protections.
Posted by: J House | May 1, 2009, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
J House- The idea of waterboarding was to get information that someone would not want to give otherwise. That is torture. You are right that AQ are animals and they do horrible things to people. The whole world knows that. I don’t want the world to see us in the same light that they see the terrorists. How we behave does matter – the Geneva convention and the laws of war – do matter. When this is over I want them to be tried for war crimes – not us.
Posted by: Olivia | May 1, 2009, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
Olivia,
Your first sentence is exactly correct and I agree. Your second one is your opinion…how bad do you feel about our military personnel that are waterboarded in the SERE program? We’re ‘torturing’ them?
Once AQ decided not to wear a uniform and fly innocents into buildings, they no longer have Geneva protections. Even the Obama admin agrees with this.
I understand what you are saying- we all will feel better about ourselves for ‘doing the right thing and not lowering ourselves to our enemy’s level’.
I get that.
But, if it means saving thousands of lives in spite of our principles, we use these techniques.(and they aren’t ‘torture’)
Posted by: J House | May 2, 2009, 1:13 am 1:13 am
Why do all the crazy libs want to focus on prosicuting bush and cheany? To divert attention away from the failed president we have now. Lets face the fact. This is the worst pesident of all time.He gave our secrets to the rest of the world to see.We are far less safe now then ever. Its alright for our enemeys to cut the heads off inocent people but we can’t torture. I say torture away if it keeps america safe. We will have an attack far worst then 911 thanks to this liberal president that has no clue.
Posted by: dave | May 2, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am
Obama is skilled with the teleprompter. Bush and B Clinton were gifted in speaking without a teleprompter.
Posted by: janey | May 2, 2009, 10:41 am 10:41 am
I am amazed how so many Americans (primarily Liberals/Democrats) have sympathy for terrorists and suspected terrorists these days…which CLEARLY didn’t exist in weeks and months after 9/11. How easily we forget, but most citizens around the world (including here in the U.S.) are fickle and hypocritical. We’ll see how things go and after the next assault on our country, we’ll see where our priorities lie.
President Obama and the Democratic Party are riding their wave of success, but within a few years, they will be drowning in the surf, too. I can only hope that the American People will see how both parties have betrayed the public trust and allow a third and possibly a fourth party emerge to end the dominance by the two parties that divide us and do not serve our needs. I think real “change” is around the corner, but it can’t come soon enough for me.
Posted by: Gary | May 2, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
GS–I used to respect you as a journalist. Now, you spout too many opinions of your own, After that wonderful answer by CR, you–who knows very little about foreign policy–have the audacity to say you disagree with an expert in the field. You libs should be more like Fox news and, at least let the people talk without spouting your lack of knowledge. Who cares what your slippery opinion is? Condi is the expert, not you.Those post comments are not necessary–let the sheep listen think for themselves.
Posted by: janey | May 2, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am
If the president says it is right, then it is right. Candi Rice, I do respect you and I think you did a fine job under the circumstances but defending waterboarding like that sounds just what Nixon did. If he said it was right…it was right. There is the law and torture was against our law. Sorry, Candi I cannot agree with you.
Posted by: talmag | May 2, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am
Some of you people post as if you weren’t old enough to have lived through 911. I lived in NYC when it happened and have heard some of the most ardent bleeding hearts liberals in the city talking about nuking the middle east in the wake of the tragedy. The whole country went to the right in response to it, even the Democrats. And the Republicans as a party in power became tragically remade by it, becoming more rightist and starting wars and policies that brought out the worst excesses of conservative thinking. Despite these excesses, Bush was a 2 term president and handily won his second term from the likes of Kerry/Edwards who were selected to appeal to America’s concern for national security. If there is a fault with how America conducted itself on torture, then let’s not forget to blame ourselves. It’s easy for liberals to wash their hands of the whole thing and certifiably call waterboarding torture on a warm 2009 spring day. But once the left starts litigating and exposing every little memo from the post 911 era, the result is more likely to indict several players in both parties. We may yet get to see the excesses of leftist thinking affect our country as an over-correction to the post-911 drift to the right.
Posted by: T961585 | May 2, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Strange, isn’t it, that President Obama never uses a teleprompter during his news conferences and yet his ratings always go up – 67% Gallup rating today. You people who keep harping on the teleprompter theme have nothing left to “jump on” so you use the lamest of criticism. GEEZ! Get a life already!
Posted by: sandy | May 2, 2009, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
I’m sure the Obama supporters would NOT have ANYTHING to say if Condi, the CIA, and the FBI let a few more 9/11 type incidents happen – which could have been prevented with the intellegence gathered from a little waterboarding or other forms of psy-ops. Nobody would say things like “the gov’t could have done more to protect us”…right?
Posted by: Bill | May 2, 2009, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
We did more than waterboard, Condi. Over 100 detainees died in U.S. custody – in other words, they were tortured to death! Google “Dilawar” and do a little reading. An innocent Afghan taxi driver beaten by CIA goons until his legs were “pulpified”. He died from either a stroke or internal bleeding as a result. And he wasn’t the only one.
This is wrong – I don’t give a damn what the circumstances. The American government should not allow innocent people to be beaten to death.
Posted by: Stephen Kriz | May 2, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
As a country of laws, we already prosecuted the Dilawar and Abu Ghraib cases. There may be more such abuses of varying scale and we can meticulously go after every possible case but at a certain point, these kind of prosecutions will compromise the job that America expects from its security forces. The Obama administration is being wise and practical by trying to look foward even though many of his supporters want to expose all skeletons. I think Obama is prescient in realizing that no good for the country will come from a witch hunt of the Bush administration. He may say that the choice between security and our ideals is a false choice but it is not something to be so casually made. In many ways, the left will push to prosecute the last 8 years and Rovian conservatives like Cheney may actually welcome it for the political windfall that excessive and unrestrained liberal policies can cause. It is not the terrorists that America should fear, but rather, the backlash against the intelligence community and a new culture of prosecuting previous administrations that will lead us to hell with a road paved with good intentions.
Posted by: T961585 | May 2, 2009, 8:41 pm 8:41 pm
I think this student reporter was on target and Condi’s response to his age and status were condescending.
I am so happy that our leaders now are not simmering with anger, a defensive tone and lack of knowledge to straightforward questions. Good reminder of how lethal she and her comrades were.
Nice to see her powerless.
Posted by: Carol Levitt | May 2, 2009, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
‘she’s awsome all by herself. I couldn’t be more proud!D’
That statement is pathetic on so many levels, it’s hard know where to begin; first BushCo ‘does not torture,’ now they admit to it, but are somehow magically above culpability, because they were assured by their lawyers who carefully rewrote the definition of torture, that torture is acceptable. What this abhorrent administration has done to your country is obscene. Rice is a disgusting liar and criminal, period.
Posted by: jrfunkenstein | May 3, 2009, 7:01 am 7:01 am
‘ 9/11 has become politicized, which is disgusting.’
And which US political party has used that incident in it’s election campaigns, as a supposed ‘triumph’ of American security and as a justification for every illegal activity it foisted on the world?
The GOP is bankrupt because BushCo raped it and the country, and now torture is fine as long as the President authorizes it. Is there NO ONE on the Right that can admit how insane this is?
Posted by: jrfunkenstein | May 3, 2009, 7:08 am 7:08 am
‘That being said, specifically, the decision to splash water in the faces of various aspiring mass murderers prevented the bombing of Liberty Tower in Los Angeles, CA and the bombing of the Brooklyn Bridge in NYC, NY. Is that good enough for you? Does that meet YOUR standards???’
Where is your evidence of that? Cheney? How you can possibly believe anything this wretched liar says is amazing.
Posted by: jrfunkenstein | May 3, 2009, 7:09 am 7:09 am
The reaction to guilt from a psychotic- mind, is to morph into righteous-indignation and STAY there.
Those two young men were brave especially the first. I’d enjoyed questioning Ms. Rice myself.
Rice’s, snarling, passive aggressiveness, overtalking, asking questions that were off topic, denials in the light of fact, attempts to intimidate, were very tacky and indicative of an individual who WILL NOT accept responsibilty for what they have done or where party to.
We’ve all been there to a lessor extent of course, hopefully.
Rice, Cheney, Bush are of the same class of persons even when caught on film, photographed, etc, will continue to deny it is them.
Perhaps, if the bowing and cowardly,news media,yes,which includes ABC. Had they questioned the Bush policy as did those two gentlemen, planet earth would not be on the brink of annilation.
Posted by: Synapse | May 3, 2009, 8:02 am 8:02 am
J House, you seem to be hung up on the Geneva Conventions, which are arguably irrelevant.
The controlling law here is the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, signed by Ronald Reagan and ratified by the Senate in 1995.
You can (and should!) read it yourself, but among other things it defines torture to include “severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental”.
It also asserts “No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.”
And while we’re at it, several American courts have ruled that waterboarding is torture, going so far as to give a Texas Sheriff a 10-year prison sentence when he used it to get confessions. (His deputies got 4 years for “following orders”.)
Even Mississipi’s Supreme Court as far back as 1922 described waterboarding as inflicting “pain and horror” when they overturned confessions extracted with it.
And on, and on, and on, and on…
Add the fact that water torture (the name waterboarding had for hundreds of years until BushCo came along) was designed to get FALSE confessions, not accurate information, and you haven’t got a leg to stand on.
Posted by: BogonDetector | May 3, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Condi Rice says that waterboarding someone 183 times in a month, beating the person, subjecting him to extreme heat as well as hypothermia, stress positions, sleep deprivation up to eleven days, and more is not torture. She is insane, just as Cheney and Bush.
Posted by: James B. | May 3, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
I KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO! LET HAVE AN SPECIAL INQUISITION FORCE STRUCTURE AS PART OF OUR PERMANENT MILITARY! THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, HITLER, STALIN, MUSLIMS USED TORTURE TO MAIM, KILL AND TRY TO HUMILIATE ITS ENEMIES FOR THE SAKE OF INFORMATION GATHERING IN THE PAST! BUT, WHERE DID THAT TAKE THEM, IT TOOK THEM INTO THE DARKEST PERIODS OF HISTORY, WARS, CONFLICTS, AND MORAL DEPRAVITY! NOW AMERICANS THINK THE LOW ROAD IS THE HIGH ROAD, AND THE HIGH ROAD IS THE LOW RAOD, DUE TO REPUGLICAN SALEMANSHIP, LIES, DISTORTIONS, DEPRAVITY, LEADERSHIP AND LOSS OF MORAL COMPASS!
Posted by: Every | May 3, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Now, what would any of you do if you knew that something emminent is about to happen you your child and you have with you a person that knows all about it? I know I’m willing to go to jail for the rest of my life if that’s the price for defending the life of one of my children. So, all of those liberals critizising, you have the benefit of being a liberal because of those who defend the liberties of this country!
Posted by: AGT-R | May 3, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Condi….please enough with the “We did not torture” Had your former boss paid more attention to that PDB you gave him while he was chopping wood down in Crawford, TX in 2001 “Al-queda determined to strike in US” maybe our country would be in a much better position today instead of fighting wars on 2 fronts.
Posted by: Rich | May 3, 2009, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
Hey Condi,
You want to deny the existence of slavery in this country as well? How about the Holocaust? Even if waterboarding isn’t torture (which most experts say it is) this was not the only technique used.
Posted by: Lori | May 3, 2009, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
More and more it sounds like the Bush administration was taking many cues from the Third Reich. I hear Rumsfeld and Cheney loved old Nazi newsreels and greatly admired the Nazis and their methods.
Posted by: AJ | May 3, 2009, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
The people who are speaking with such authority about what torture is, and what genocide, and state with certainty are the first that would give up everything they valued in their life, including their life, to avoid real torture.
The British Kings, the ones who were absolute monarchs, new what real torture was.
The would have those they declared traitors hung until almost dead, then cut down, revived, then the subject opened up surgically and the still fully intact and connected intestines were carefully removed and barbecued in front of the eyes of the one being tortured.
This was done to encourage other traitors to turn themselves in and tell all about their lives, acts, and deeds to avoid similar treatment.
Unfortunately, torture does work, and the type of “enhanced interrogation” used to train USAF pilots, which these ignorant folks on this blog are calling torture, is a joke compared to real torture.
Posted by: Reality Check | May 3, 2009, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
When Iran was holding our citizens hostage Carter and his lets talk about this attitude did NOTHING to get our people back. They knew Reagan would kick some serious Iranian butt and our people were freed. Walking softly and carrying a big stick works. Talking sense into dictators and terrorists is doesn’t work.
Kadafi only wanted to become our friend when they knew that we were not going to be soft on terrorist.
If Hannity or anyone else demostrated water boarding they would be guilty. Guilty of giving away information to our enemies. Here look see when this happens to you, you are going to be fine. So don’t give up and talk. Just keep that vital intel secret.
I keep seeing people talk about interroagation techniques and saying that we are stooping to the terrorist level. Sorry, I do NOT buy that. IN order to stoop to their level we would have to murder innocent men women and children, behead journalists, send our youth to blow themselves up. Interrogating KNOWN terrorists is kinder than anything they would do to our soldiers and more gracious than they are to people of their own country to believe differently or have a different faith or ethnic background.
Do not compare protecting our country and its citizens to the atrocities that have been committed by terrorists. THAT is immoral.
Posted by: Mrs.Plasticman | May 3, 2009, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
No, Iraq clearly did NOT have weapons of mass destruction.
Yes, clearly you did torture.
Time to pay for that crime against humanity on trial at the Hague.
Posted by: Dr Schroeder | May 3, 2009, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
“Now, what would any of you do if you knew that something emminent is about to happen you your child and you have with you a person that knows all about it? I know I’m willing to go to jail for the rest of my life if that’s the price for defending the life of one of my children.” Posted by: AGT-R
You see, that is the problem with what the president has done. While you would defend your actions with your life, Bush and Cheney lied about it, blaming all that happened on “bad apples” and bad soldiers. They have allowed those that followed their commands to be sent to prison, while they have lied about their responsibility for the crimes that have occurred. AGT-R has some integrity, while Bush and Cheney are cowards that hide behind others and declare “state secrets” to defend themselves. They have shamed themselves.
Posted by: James B. | May 3, 2009, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm
So the former community organizer thinks waterboarding is torture.
After witnessing numerous questionable judgments on the company he keeps and decision making process, what barrack read off his teleprompter doesn’t means too much.
So go work on your basketball game or something and let try not to do anymore damage to the country.
Posted by: reallymeanit | May 3, 2009, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
I wonder how George Stephy would answer the question: What would your prefer, waterboarding or beheading. My guess he would like most folks choose waterboarding. Why do the Dems always have to find a way to get Repubs elected. Look at the Polls on this issue an the majority of folks want it left alone. Pres Obama has made it clear how he will do things, that should be that.
Posted by: Willie | May 3, 2009, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
sounds like she’s placing blame on bush for his ‘authorizing’ these ‘legal’ interrogation methods… if it was illegal, she will claim it was authorized by her higher up… this will be fun to see even the higher ups in the bush administration placing blame on the former prez and vice prez
Posted by: earth_not_flat | May 4, 2009, 8:21 am 8:21 am
How do you get to the comments posted after May 4th?
Posted by: derlehrer | May 7, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
I am so sick of hearing about how we “tortured” these terrorists! Have we forgeotten that they de-capitated our people LIVE on the internet. If the detainees still have their heads, we treated them better than they treated us.
Posted by: Bryan Beal | May 15, 2009, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm