Conservatives Decry Homeland Security Report on “Rightwing” Extremism

There was a left-wing extremist report released by DHS on January 26th. I don’t see liberals freaking out about it.
Conservatives know that they have been stroking rhetoric that could one day get someone killed.
Remember Timothy McVeigh!

Hello.?.? Que the video from the Palin rallies..

I’m in need of some clarification. Were Thomas Paine, Patrick Henry, John Hancock and Samuel Adams right wing extremists or left wing extremists?

It’s a report. What’s wrong with it? Seems like extremism is on the rise. What, should we ignore it? Todd Harrison of minyanville has been saying the same thing, kinda… Recessions/Depressions cause social unrest. It’s a fact that gun sales are through the roof. Who thinks that we shouldn’t be paying attention? This report is saying we should be paying attention.
Gingrich is trying to politicise everything these days, because he’s running for President.
Hannity is just ridiculous, and wrong. Obama didn’t “pal around with terrorists”, and I’m pretty sure he didn’t write this report. Why does Hannity say “this coming from a guy (Obama) who started his political…”? What’s he trying to say, that Obama personally writes these reports, and that as a known terrorist he shouldn’t? Doesn’t make any sense.
What is he stupid? Or does he just think we are. If Hannity were really a patriot, or interested in helping in any way, he’d do a little research and try to enlighten us on things that really are happening – there’s plenty of factual stuff to disagree with Obama without making it up. Then again, the made up stuff makes for much more inflammatory TV.
So, in essence, Hannity is the one inciting and enticing right wing extremists to be more extreme.

I’m glad DHS finally released this report. The far right wing of the Republican party has gone freaking insane and Hannity, Beck, and the rest of the conservative pundits are the driving force. Case in point, Hannity stating people who have pro-life stickers are targeted. REALLY? Hannity knows that is a lie. People who threaten violence will be targeted as they should be. Most of these people are uneducated and don’t have a clue how to form an independent, intelligent thought for themselves. Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh are going to have a lot to answer for and btw, they are doing nothing but driving more and more Independents and moderate Republicans away from the party. The Republican party is going to be a fringe minority. It will be interesting to see which party takes its place in the future.

Look at haley and eric’s comments. Perfect examples of people actually believing conservatives are the target. THE REPORT IS TALKING ABOUT EXTREMISTS. The Timothy McVeighs of the country…not some soccer mom running around preaching about the right to life. Geeez.

When you have daily right wing threats against the president and gun-loving kooks killing cops, this is legit.

If I remember right; history shows that the Republican Party was formed to stop slavery………..The Democrat Party supported it…? Am I wrong?

Translation of “conservative” response-
“Please, Mr. DHS Man, don’t look into that dark scary corner of our electorate where we keep the true believers of all the nonsense spewed by our mouthpieces like Limbaugh and our collection Fox News toadies. Yeah, we know that they’re a bunch of loose cannon, but we can’t have an official government report actually pointing out that fact. I mean, come on. We really, really need their votes and now we’re going to have to find some Republican with at least a shred of credibility to distance us from that report. You know, another tired exploitation of our armed forces personnel, a crass appeal to “patriotism”, that old schtick. Damned if we aren’t going to have to throw in the blathering of some washed-up evangelical about abortion, just to make sure we reach all of them. This is a fine mess you’ve made for us. Thanks for nothing.”

I am a right-wing extremist-
I support the Constitution of the United States of America and carry a copy of it wherever I go.
I am a right-wing extremist-
I served six years active duty with the United States Army and did not return bitter or disillusioned
I am a right-wing extremist-
I have the right to disagree with MY government on any matter what-so-ever and to so state my disagreements.
I am a right-wing extremist-
I support a regime change in the United States of America by using the Ballot Box
I am a right-wing extremist-
I support the separate Rights of the States as specified in the Constitution
I am a right-wing extremist-
I support taxation ONLY with representation
I am a right-wing extremist-
I strenuously object to the Government of the United States of America having the temerity to classify me as a potentially violent danger to my Country.

Liberals are the problem here.
Look at their posts.
They think Hannity, Beck and Limbaugh “spew hate” and inspire racists.
That PROVES they have never listened to any of these guys. Their spoonfed talking points is all the proof they need to hate these successful conservative talkshow hosts.

Health clinics are bombed and doctors are shot there by right-wing activists.
The ATF has several encounters each year, often involving violence, with extremists who refuse to register their weapons and deliberately hoard reloading equipment and modified firearms for the armageddon that they believe is coming.
I served in the military for 8 years, and can honestly say that part of the reason I got out was because of isolated pockets of extreme beliefs and behaviors that were so sexually and racially biased (and ignored in “good ol’ boy” networks) that friends of mine were forced into relocation or retraining to remove them from the situation.
I’ve not encountered a pro-choice group bombing a pro-life rally.
I’ve never heard of people with legally owned, registered guns getting gunned down in ATF raids.
The majority of our armed forces adhere to the tenets of fairness and equality, and serve with honor and distinction.
But there are extremists, and they do exist within our borders, and they are motivated by fervent beliefs that are much more closely tied to immigration, religion, firearms, and government oversight than they are related to free speech, secularism, and movements to expand social programs.
The full report lists off threats from every sector and their likelihood; I’m personally more reassured that people are doing their jobs and planning for our security now than I have been for the past 8 years.

the framers were revolting against king george. I think that might be different.

This is so funny I can barely stop laughing – the right wing nuts are upset because the FBI and Homeland Security might be watching their activities and creating secret files on them just like the Republicans have done with non-violent, liberals and progressives who dared to speak their minds. How does it feel Limbaugh and Hannity?

I quit spending money. This gets both parties attention. If enough people quit spending money then both parties will get back to the economy problem …. Both parties and media are spinning news stories which is all about divide the american public and conquer their objections.
Quit spending money.

I am a conservative Associate Pastor of a Evangelical Church (no surprise there right) I beleive that Abortion is Murder and that our borders should be controlled very strictly as the true extreamists has proven that they intend to do us harm. With that said, I am shocked that any God fearing person regardless of their political views would associate themselves with Timothy McVeigh, the neo-nazzis, Arians… They are extreamist, and by definition that means that they are the exception not the rule. And no I am not talking about Republicans, Democrats, or any other political group. Ignorance has one to lump a group of people into the image of Evil just because they don’t beleive exactly the same as we do. This is real extreamism.

Where is the coverage of all the Tea parties by the main stream media? This is a non partisan event showing the outrage at the out of control spending by our government. Will be interesting to see how the MSM portrays these events when/if they do decide to cover it.

What I find frightening is the obvious demonizing of the other side in this report. It reads more like a political preemptive strike than a response to real problems. There are kooks in every demographic. So what? Should we then shut down free speech? And, as to Chris’ comment about people “draped in the flag and carrying the cross that would kill in order to get their way”–give some evidence.
I only hope President Obama doesn’t prove to be “Hugo Chavez light.”

Two words: Timothy McVeigh

The report does not in any way single out veterans. It simply states that radical groups COULD and WOULD be targeting returning vets, and that hate groups are represented in the armed forces by people that make it through the gang affiliation screening.
It’s not it any way an indictment against vets in general. I’m a vet, and I’m not offended because I realize that there is truth to the report, and I’m not an extremist.
How many of you have actually read the original report?

. . . and the black guy in San Francisco who killed two cops and then also killed two SWAT members who were called in. I don’t think he was a Hannity, Beck or Limbaugh listener.
Nuts are nuts, regardless of their politics.

Jake, thanks for highlighting the Leftwing report. If you compare the 2 reports, it seems like the Leftwing report cites more specific examples, names specific groups.
I wonder if DHS was asked to prepare reports on both groups, and had a harder time finding concrete evidence on the rightwingers? Both reports are the same length, maybe some bureaucrat was just tossing in speculation to make the report long enough.

The part about the military is pretty offensive.
And yes, it is that much more offensive coming from the administraion of a President who lied about his relationship (or rather, Axelrod lied for him) with a man who would have been Timothy McVeigh but for the early detonation of the bomb his girlfriend was making.
I think between this and Panetta saying the global recession is the number 1 destabilizing factor in the world *could* look like the Obama administration is using their position to politicize information to suit their agenda.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.” –Thomas Jefferson

How would Dobson know that “there are no Timothy McVeighs out there right now”? Equally befuddling is his contention that “they’re making a big deal out of something that has not happened and may not happen.”
1) It has happened…in Oklahoma City. and 2) It “may not happen” is supposed to be reassuring? It’s Homeland Security’s job to ensure that it does not happen. Keep up the good work, Madam Secretary.

Liam,
There is no place in the constitution that requires gun registration and hand loading is something I have done since being a teenager.
I was raised in the Western US and have a completely different view of todays hysteria about firearms than you.
I believe is self sufficiency, independence and personal freedom all issues defined in our constitution and I take offence when liberals with a utopian view of society as they would like it, try to make their value system
mine. It is not constitutional and does not apply here.
CLW

Lou Dobbs bloviates continually about the border issue… illegal aliens etc. And he’s being doing so for oh.. about 5 years. people just can’t think for themselves anymore it seems.

“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
That is the oath of enlistment in the armed forces of the United States of America. Please note that it does not say “for the duration of my enlistment”.
There are literally millions of Americans out there who have taken this oath. You may be one of them. You certainly know someone who has. Some of them took that oath more seriously than others.
The government and the media want us to think of Timothy McVeigh as some evil right wing wacko skinhead. But suppose he was just some confused kid trying to fulfill his oath to the best of his ability? Are there more of him out there? Are they right? Is the Constitution of The United States in danger?
What part of the constitution gives the President the right to fire the head of General Motors? Is that act any more lawful that President Vladimir Putin’s firing and imprisonment of the head of GAZPROM?
Has our government become an unlawful government like that of King George III? Some members of congress and the various state legislatures evidently think so. Are we witnessing the beginning of another American Revolution?

Oh joy here we go again. The point of the report against the conservatives pretty much included anyone that belives the constitution should be followed. This includes the 10th amendmant which strictly limits the Federal Governments power. Please attack conservatives some more, at least we base our postion on factual evidence and not some made up scare tatic. There will always be extremist on both sides of the political spectrum, but lumping us all under that title just shows the immature positions taken by those that want to gain as much power as they can in one fell swoop.
To put it simply both reports are more scare tactics to further the power grab in progress.

“The government and the media want us to think of Timothy McVeigh as some evil right wing wacko skinhead. But suppose he was just some confused kid trying to fulfill his oath to the best of his ability?”
-Winter Patriot
Are you going to try and tell us that Osama Bin Laden was just some confused person trying to fulfill his oath to the best of his ability??

Winter patriot: You ask what gives the president the right to fire one man.
You might do well to remember that Reagan fired over 11,000 members of the PATCO union in 1981. The whole union.
But of course, a dem firing one person who mismanged huge company (at the peril of many labor jobs) suddenly becomes important?

Vet here as well. No combat, but son of war vet, grandson of war vet, nephew of war vet. Friend of several war vets.
Two things. 1. To ignore a threat is silly. We must trust our fellows, but we must also identify every threat. If you are unable to objectively do so, get the hell out of the way so those who are able can protect us.
2. Being a soldier gives no one a pass. It does not give one a right to judge others, nor does it put one above judgement. Any who suggest otherwise, again, need to remove themselves so that objective professionals can do their jobs.
My uncle, a decorated and honored vet of 3 or 4 tours, pointed a loaded weapon at my grandmother and likely would have used it had there not been intervention. We are all humans. To think doing this or that makes one super-human is silly and again, anyone who thinks it does has every right to speak their mind, but should get out of the way and let the professionals do their job.
Oh, and I read both reports. There is nothing in there to get nearly this upset about if you are literate and objective and honest with yourself.

to Haley T. and all the others agreeing with Hannity and Gingrich:
1.) The report does not say that all trained veterans with conservative beliefs are dangerous extremists, it says that some are, which is true.
2.) The report also states that there are dangerous left wing extremists, it does not say that the rigth wing is more dangerous than the left.
3.) Providing you husband is not psychotic, not killing innocent people and not invlolved with gorups that do; then your absolutely right he is a hero, as are all our veterans, disillusioned or not.
I am a registered Republican, my fiscal views are very conservative, my social views lean more towards the left.
Understand this, extremists on both ends of the spectrum are dangerous to the safety and stability of our country. They undermine bipartisan efforts to heal a divide this country has been dealing with since people started following the party lines, and not following their true beliefs on each individual issue. They undermine the ability of our country to defend itself and gather information because those responsible to protecing us are more concerened with keeping their senate seats, white house offices, or the kickbacks from their lobbyists.
The politicians spend more time explaining and defending the decisions they make, then they spend making decisions.
Jesus preached tolerance and moderation, he preached that only GOD may judge humanity, he preached forgiveness. Unfortunately many who call themselves Christians, seem to have forgotten this and so have appointed themselves the guardian of our moral character. Guess what? Abrotion is murder? true it does end a life, or at least the potential for life. but so does that steak you eat every night, and the salad and potato you eat with it. all those things were alive, and they are now dead because of you.
who are we to judge the value of one life over another?
before all of continue to sling slurs around and call this or that person, anti-american, dangerous, or idiotic.
stop and think, have i made mistakes? am i perfect? if the answer is no, which it is\
then shut the hell up

READ THE MEMO. For every “scare” or warning in the thing they state “although they are not planning yet, although nothing has been done yet”. So what’s the alert for?
“Right” wing extremists? How about you “left” wing extremists who were actually standing at polling places with weapons in hand ON TV intimidating voters in the last election.
I don’t recall Pres. Bush’s administration putting out trash like this on “left” wing extremists.
Unbelievable, this administration tries to make Veterans pay for their own service related healthcare expenses then says “Vets” deserve our support. Cuts the defense budget, which directly affects their ability to fight, and says they support them in their mission. Now they put out this garbage labeling them as “potential” domestic terrorist candidates simply b/c they served their country and don’t believe in unfair taxation or 2nd amendment infringements.
All the while the media downplays the Presidents friendship with a known, proven domestic terrorist who, with his own spouse, are directly implicated for domestic bombings, attempeted murders and actual death of a LEO in San Francisco.
Libs got the country now, but what do you have? They tear it down then wonder why it’s not what they wanted. It’s like a fat, gluttonous tick sucking the blood out of fat cow until it dies then slowly starves to death itself. If you fundementally “change” America then it’s not America now is it?

joeldg:
Your comparison does not hold up. When Reagan fired the air trafic controllers of PATCO they were employees of the FAA paricipating in an illegal work stopage. As head of the executive branch the president had every legal right to terminate their employment as a result of their illegal strike.
But last time I checked, General Motors was still not quite part of the federal government. Again, what part of the constitution gives the president the power to fire the CEO of a corporation?

“I don’t recall Pres. Bush’s administration putting out trash like this on “left” wing extremists.”
The Department of Energy under Bush in April 2001 (there was no DHS at that time) released a report on the threat of left-wing extremists. That was the first April of Bush’s first terms. This is the first April of Obama’s first term.
“Unbelievable, this administration tries to make Veterans pay for their own service related healthcare expenses..”
Did that actually come to pass? Didn’t think so.
“Cuts the defense budget..”
In what world is a 4% defense budget increase a “cut”?

I really enjoy reading the righteous indignation of conservatives on here.
As a veteran of the the first gulf war and registered non-partisan I think your faux-concern is cute.
War should always be the last resort, it is expensive and has a tendency to just cause more wars.
Anyway, we need more of these reports to show you radical-repubs what your willful-ignorance has been busy suppressing for years.

I read many of the post here, Obama hate him or love him he is the President of the United States and Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces,
I did not vote for him or McShame,
Tim was motivated by the carnage he whitnessed at Mt Carmel, But still people believe he had was the ring leader in the operation against the Mura bld. He was nothing more than a lookout, Why would he pull over for a local police man for a traffic stop? Why would he not shoot said officer with the handgun he was armed with? If one of you ragbag’s had just blown up a b bld. and killed children by mistake, instead of the intended target, Wouldn’t you shoot it out with a traffic cop, rather than go peacebly? People you have to get your facts straight about Tim, and the Operation against the Mura bld. Radical Right? should the government be concerned? Well it only common sense to be aware.
Why doesnt the Government address the imagration problem, or it’s UnConsitutional behavior, Maybe some of these groups would find it harder to
gather new memebers, Most of these groups are already inflitrated by lawenforcement any way, Remeber the only way to keep a secret is to not tell anyone. Grow up Obama haters get over it, Obama lover’s read the Constitution and Understand why American’s are upset

Newt must be in a mental fog, it’s been widely publicized that gun stores have had a huge uptick in sales fed by right wing rants that President Obama intends to take away everyone’s guns.
The hate filled letters to the editor and blog posts about this president often include thinly veiled allusions and insults targeting a specific race.
Republican right wing folks are continually trumpeting socialism when any steps are taken to help ordinary citizens but are noticeably silent on all the bene’s their wealthy and business benefactors receive.
I long for the return of useful republicans who perform the role of loyal opposition with seriousness and gravity instead of an eye turned toward the National Enquirer for foolish incendiary rants.

As A veteran who served during Vietnam, this is an outrage. I’m sure that there was a line item budget amount for some high level lackey to write this garbage who the only enemy they ever faced was a restroom attendant.
By the way fire the president of the UAW whose member legacy health care costs add more than $ 20.00 per hour to every car.

I don’t know much about the report but it would not surprise me a bit that exremism is on the rise. It is always on the rise during economic uncertainty just like crime. And you have cheerleaders in the conservative movement such as Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc…who have for years railed against government and treated it as an enemy of the people….so, the report doesn’t surprise me a bit…..
I believe Conservatives greatest fear, as Limbaugh says, is that Obama will be successful and this country will once again become economically strong and live up to its Consitution. If that happens conservatives will become marginalized and no longer a force in politics. In fact, they are almost there today….which is raising fear within their ranks….They fear losing influence and power…

i just knew the GOP would take this personally… instead of agreeing with the facts that far right groups are a threat to civility and democracy, they are coming to their rescue and aligning themselves with their comrades… more proof of how desparate they are and that their ‘base’ is so far right it’s laughable

Terrorists are terrorists– whether they are right wing or left. Poor republicans can dish it out but can’t take it.
Quite frankly, republicans have been whipping up the lather of this “base” ever since they realized they were losing in electoral politics. Arm yourselves!! they encourage, defend yourself against your “socialist” government. Talk about sore losers.
Oh and they are always under attack. Obama’s going to take away your guns! He’s going to take Rush Limbaugh off the air! Now this report is just more fodder for the wounded me complex.
I’m not crazy about the democrats either, but at least they are trying to work within the system and solve some problems.

“And that’s why the DHS produced two reports – one covering left-wing extremists, one covering right-wing extremist.”
Please point to where in the DHS report that labels believers in an all powerful central government or those who want to control CEO pay or regulate someones private property or favor gun control as left-wing extremists. Not there because DHS and leftist consider those who believe that as moderates and not extremists. I wonder had the British produced such a report 200 years ago if Thomas Jefferson would be considered as a right-wing extremists.

“ACORN members are more prone to violence than a member or former member of the Military, just look at their past history…”
I’m not saying that former members of the military are any more prone to violence than anybody else in this country…as I noted in an earlier post, just like our population as a whole, the military is filled with all different kinds of people, mostly good but some bad and some very bad. But where is this evidence of ACORN’s violent past of which you speak? Please provide examples.

“Just because my husband is well trained and in the special forces and happens to be a conservative does’t mean he’s some radical extremist”
but, he sure would make a damn good one!

JJC writes
“The Obama Administration has once again insulted our military with this so-called report. I say we abolish the Department of Homeland Security – and repeal the Patriot Act. The powers created by these unconstitutional acts and agencies are dangerous in the hands of this Administration – perhaps even moreso than the last.”
Hahahahahahaha been waiting for someone to call for this. It was okay to give YOUR president unprecedented powers and erode our constitution, but now you have a new president and he’s well, dangerous, because well, you’ve been told so.
I’m with you buddy. I’ve been against the homeland security crap since the beginning– but where oh where were you these past eight years?
May I suggest we all try thinking for ourselves for awhile and stop listening to the claptrap idealogues. We might find we have shared interests.

“I wonder had the British produced such a report 200 years ago if Thomas Jefferson would be considered as a right-wing extremists.”
The DHS report refers to right-wing extremists – ie, the folks like Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph who kill innocent people, including children. I don’t recall that being the strategy of our founding fathers. In fact, our founding fathers would have told loony birds like McVeigh and Rudolph to hit the highway.

Between BLACK and WHITE thinking is a vast area of GREY – I’ll meet you there.

Red Fred,
Albany? Basic Fred?

The difference between the two reports lie in the specifics. How many specific groups are called out in the right wing report? None from what I remember. The right wing report mentions 2 PEOPLE, but never names groups. The left wing one mentions groups such as: Hactivist, Animal liberation front, Earth liberation front, Animal defense league, etc, etc. it also mentions the anarchist cookbook
Thats the problem. When you use such broad characterizations (one of which for right wing “extremism” is railing against federal authority in preference for state authority, which of course defines most libertarians) without giving examples of what exactly you’re talking about people cant help but get a little worried. They worry because they realize that such broad labeling includes them even if the most violent thing they do is attend a tea party protest.
The report has also sparked the head of the American Legion to demand an apology. Also the left wing version worried that groups with violent histories would only rely on cyber attacks, where as the un-named broadly defined so that 90 year old grandfathers who fought in world war 2 are included groups are only committed to violent attacks.

“I wonder had the British produced such a report 200 years ago if Thomas Jefferson would be considered as a right-wing extremists.”
So you are comparing our US government with the British, in other words, you think our government is the enemy and that maybe right wing people who want to blow it up are not extremists? What is the point, please?

This report is as big of a sham as they come. If such a small portion of our returning veterens are deemed “at risk” for involvement with fringe groups that promote violence, why even mention this demographic by name? Furthermore, instead of ideology, law enforcement should be focused on violent acts or blatent promotions of violence. We are wasting resources if we try to rein in ideologies we don’t like – right or left wing. We can prevent violence as citizens by stepping in and bringing in the authorities when we see violent acts. We can also help our fellow man by simply talking and taking interest.
This country is severely lacking in basic morality. For those who think that greater federal involvement in our lives will end social or economic injustice or prejudice, you are taking a dangerous risk with the God-given freedoms that the framers spelled out for us that no power has any legitimate authority to ever take away.
I did not like much of what President Bush did – with the exception of his pro-life policies as he increased federal spending and federal power over every person and entity in this country. But I also don’t like President Obama’s radical expansion of federal power, pro-abortion policies, and even even worse deficits than Bush.
I just think we need to wise up and stop giving Washington DC and the Executive Branch in particular more power than it legitimately has under the Constitution.

Hey and don’t forget the bang up job Bush (and his appointed nincompoops) did with Katrina.
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!
(whacko!!)

“What I dont like is the direction in which our Country Is headed and thats (SOCIALISM) the very thing our country fought against in WWII.”
Actually, we fought against countries (Germany, Italy, Japan) headed by right-wing, xenophobic, nationalist, fascist governments. The commies (the Soviet Union) and the socialists (England, France) were on our side.

“I just asked a question. Can you answer the question? By the way, how did you feel about the government for the past 8 years?”
Your question was would the British have considered Jefferson a right wing extremist and I have to say NO, he wasn’t a right wing extremist. His politics were not based on lies and paranoia, manipulated by B grade talk show hosts.
There’s no comparison between McVeigh and his ilk and Jefferson. Whackos blowing up abortion clinics are just whackos blowing up abortion clinics. Religious extremism is not “revolutionary.” If US right wing extremists have any brethen at all it is the Taliban. They also want to control women’s bodies and destroy the government by force so they can impose their beliefs on others.

My dear OGLiberal:
Yes we did fight with an illegitimate Communist government during World War II against illegitimate Fascist governments. Their ideologies were very different on paper, but the actions of both the Nazis and the Soviets were murderous and genocidal. Just because the Soviets were “on our side” out of convenience does not forgive any of their suppressive and godless acts.
“Right WIng” and “Left Wing” elements within the United States cannot even begin to be compared to the evil done by the Nazis or the Soviets. Our framers created a government that couldn’t legitimately get too powerful to prevent any group from pursuing an overly radical agenda – they also simultaneously gave the flexibility for incremental change when change was needed.
Our country has lasted so long under the greatest Constitution ever precisely because of how the framers structured it. If we continue to allow the government to pursue illegitimate acts or to promote rapid radical increases in the federal government’s power, we would have problems too.

So,let me get this straight…
It’s either blatant capitalism ,where a few are rich and get the favors and personal attention of the government and everybody else works like slaves for them .
or
It’s some kind of socialism , where all law abiding citizens have equal access to the nation wealth , it’s government and it’s services and each citizen is treated equally ; that is big business or the wealthy don’t get preferential treatment because of who they are/what they have.
Well , I pick door#2 . We don’t need an elite rich country club ruling class and I don’t care what anyone does for this nation or for a living be it a Dr. Lawyer ,Indian Chief ,Astronaut, Football Player whatever …it is not worth such a division among us.
Every kid in america deserves to grow in such a country club setting or go to a private school with the best teachers ,and if all kids can’t ,then none should. That is the fair way that assures each person gets what they themselves deserve ,not what their (often connived/stolen ) money or influence can buy. Without fairness and sharing ,America will diverge even further from truth/honesty.
There cannot be a separate elite class anymore in this nation, that confused egocentric capitalistic notion is what is promoting and continuing the overt and covert class warfare that is tearing America apart.
Just like bringing candy to kindergarten ,you either share or it gets taken away.
No one is forcing anyone to work hard to get rich or whatever , but we ARE going to force those who themselves choose to be rich (by whatever means) to pay their fair share of taxes and run their business in a legal and fair way. Being fair means just that and you will do that or you will be legally penalized for your selfishness. That’s the new way ,get used to it.
Btw ,no one is forcing anything on anyone. This country doesn’t BELONG to any one ideology ,and this agenda is clearly voter mandated ,so if you don’t like the way this country is going ,either :
A) elect your own representatives (good luck on that…)
B) move
C) SHUT UP!!!

The problem is that extremists like Hannity and Limbaugh try to confuse the issue in order to get themselves heard.
Hannity’s interview last night is garbage. It’s not news – it’s just hate mongering which FOX does all the time.

Winter Patriot posted the oath of a serviceman:
“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
With Obama in office they can choose to defend the constitution or obey the president. I wonder which they will choose.

“the supreme law of the land is the constitution, not the president”
Agree 100%. Now tell us exactly what it is that this president is doing that is unconstitutional. Be specific.
“last time the democrats got out of line, during the civil war, the republicans had to bitch slap you guys back into reality.”
Today’s GOP is nothing like the party Lincoln led. And all of the calls for secession that I’m hearing today are coming from the right. Secession (and slavery) was the reason that Lincoln/the Republican Party/the USA had to bitch slap the Southern Democrats (now extinct…actually, they’re Republicans today) and the Confederacy, right?

Dr. Dobson is a NUT!!! The accusations they make about Obama is a joke. Hannity is still trying to tie him to terrorists.
The idea that somehow Obama doesn’t understand our (US) Judea-Christian roots? What a joke of a statement.
FOX News is a perfect example of right wing extremism in America.

Jeff,
Limbaugh doesn’t know what he’s talking about. We have a Capitalistic system in the US. The reason why we are bailing out the banks is because the system FAILED! So, I don’t exactly understand why he wants Obama to FAIL. Obama is trying to get Capitalism going again in this country.

The Presidents have been taking more and more power for over seventy years. It is not so much that Mr. Obama is doing anything that is blatently unconstitutional [though TARP and some items in his budget arguably are - as are the continuation of certain elements of the Patriot Act], it is that he is continuing our country along – and even acelerating an extremely dangerous trend. Our framers created a government that derives its powers from the people and leaves much open to the people and the states to decide on their own.
The increase in federal power over the people and particularly the ever-elevating status of the Executive branch should be something that all good Americans should be concerned about. There is a reason we did not create a king or a unitary system of government when this country was founded.
It is insulting to our intelligence that some sing such praises to a mere man – a politician. We should respect the president, but some are taking this toward homage and some sort of perversion of reverence – which is strange and foreign in the American experience. I’ll be damned before I praise any man the way some have praised Obama. I don’t want to go back to the dark ages – and by placing so much power with one man, that is exactly what we are trending towards.

Unfortunately the extremism is on both sides…squeezing in upon the moderates of America.
They are the loudest and most aggressive, and they swing the country from the useless Bush to the charlatan Obama and who can even imagine what’s next?
Then these same people have the gall to warn of third parties as the problem?
A solid third party built out of the middle would be the best thing that could happen to this country.

This report can have the effect of labeling you an extremist because of some heart felt and mostly American views.”
Yes that is exactly what I am talking about we should be very careful how and who we demonize
No one person or group has all the answers. More now than ever we should listen to deferent views
We need to go slow and be very careful because we have seen mistakes in both wars by moving too fast. I see congress delegating too much power to the courts or to the president they did it with Bush they are doing it now with Obama.
With Bush, congress gave Bush the authority to go into Iraq, and Afghanistan. They should have declared war. However, they did not want to make a decision so they let Bush make it so if it goes bad well we know what happened. (No one wants to lose power)

“last time the democrats got out of line, during the civil war, the republicans had to bitch slap you guys back into reality.”
The Republican party of this time had more in common with the ACLU than today’s republican party.

ABC News is censoring comments.
Typical of Corporate owned TV stations and newspapers.
And they wonder why they are going Bankrupt ? Who needs Censorship in the Internet Age ?
See ya…

So after persecuting average Democratic americans, tapping phone calls, etc (The Patriot Act)for 8 years,right wingers don’t like it so much when the shoe is on the other foot?
Posted by: CaitlynBee | Apr 15, 2009 1:32:12 PM
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That would be called a “hypocrite” Caitlyn.
Right Wingers (aka the “Moral Majority” lol!)
are known for this trait,I think it is genetic personally , some kind of brain function defect or maybe they just got kicked in the head by a mule or something.
They also were loving it when their egocentric ultra partisan party had majority control and instilled lots of other crazy elitist agenda as law; now the party’s over ,and it’s crying/whining time for the Republicans.
I personally am beginning to like those “homeland security ” laws much more lately ,I think we maybe should keep them on the books for awhile so we liberals can keep an watchful adult eye on the gun loving whacko Republicans.
(wink wink!)

I bet those “tea parties” were a treasure trove for the fbi and the dhs.
LOL!!

Dale in co
Why does everything devolve into ” the gun loving whacko”? Why does the fact that I prefer to maintain a a well stocked safe automatically classify me as a whacko? Does the ability for you to air you beliefs paint you as a kook? Why are you afraid of my of my right to carry?
Lets pretend that every effort to resolve the current economic disaster fails. There is panic and pandemonium raging in the streets. The criminal element preys upon your grandmother and political factions scramble to fill the vacuum. It is absolute anarchy. What would you do? Exactly what they are teaching my kids in school. “If approached or attacked, hide under you desk”. In effect become a target. Excuse me for wanting to fight my way out.
Before you fly off the handle and discount my absurdity with your absurdity, consider the underlying point. I do not want to rely on or place my safety with the same right and left leaning idiots that are running this country. The very ones that tap our comm’s system (bush/cheney), force banks to loan money with no verifiable income (barney frank), cheat on their taxes (geitner), insist on a private 737 because the gulfstream g3 was beneath her(pelosi, the unmitigated gall to shame gm execs)and every other imbecile in DC that will lie cheat and steal to obtain power and wealth.
People are pissed because the occupants are corrupt not the system. There is no honor or duty, only graft and greed. We are fed lies and mistruths to keep us fighting with each other and not paying attention to them. Were you asked, by the people that supposedly work for you, to authorize themselves a pay raise? I must have missed the email.
The DHS memo accomplished this tasked not my right to carry.

Posted by: Liz Moore | Apr 15, 2009 3:32:06 PM
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We will be watching for you.
Be sure to put those stickers on all your vehicles ,and one or two in your yard as well.
Thanks.

“It’s not out-of-the-question that the 2009 TEA party participants could someday be regarded by history as patriots who made a difference- same as 1773.”
Well at least you harbor no delusions of grandeur.
“This sort of public outrage might be just what’s needed to break through the media’s manufactured reality.”
Oh the irony considering the tea parties are a manufactured media event brought to you by FoxNews.

You all are silly for thinking that just because you see more “right wing extremists” on the news that they are the majority out there. You never hear about the couple homosexuals (and no, i’m not saying homosexual to segment a group and make a generalize statement about them) beat up an old lady who was peacefully holding a sign of her opinion in support of Prop 8.
It’s these “Pro-life extremists” like me that are also holding out a hand to help people, volunteering, and trying to God’s love. In my experience of voicing what i hold and have found in my life to be true, it’s the more left orientated people who act out with violance, immaturity, and hate.
Never believe the media, it’s controlled by left wing people, that’s why there’s so much anti-right wing. Do some research and you’ll see it’s the people on the right that are being picked on and bullied. Students are being threatened to be expelled from college for talking about Jesus, high schoolers who want to even mention their faith in their well earned valedictorian speech were threatened to have their graduation withheld.
There are ‘extremists’ on both sides, but the majority are not extremists as much as anyone wants to think.
Come on people, think for yourselves, do some research, see both sides of the picture. Am I the only one here who is not a mindless media-zombie?

“Jeff,
Limbaugh doesn’t know what he’s talking about. We have a Capitalistic system in the US. The reason why we are bailing out the banks is because the system FAILED! So, I don’t exactly understand why he wants Obama to FAIL. Obama is trying to get Capitalism going again in this country.”
Where else would a government takeover be considered capitalism except in a left-wing produced show called “fast and furious”? :[

One person shooting three cops in a stand-off over a urinating dog and we have the DHS issuing a report about right-wing extremism. It’s intersting to note that 4 cops were killed in the week prior by an Oakland ex-con and there was a parade by locals to celebrate the fugitive’s glorious stand-off against the police. Where is the DHS report on that? Everything is politically movitated these days – whether it’s Newt or the DHS. People need to think for themselves outside of their party affiliations.

When the government that makes the laws you decry crumbles into ruination (and once your bullets/food run out) you wont be so worried about your constitutional “rights” ,I’m sure.
This is a nation of laws and codes ,each of them making certain guarantees in our daily lives.
Without the nation , you are nothing and you have no guarantees on anything ,not even living.
Move to Somalia for a while if you want to get a first hand feel for that kind of go-it-alone rambo lifestyle ,see if it appeals to you … And don’t forget your weapons and ammo because you’re gonna need ‘em!
(Btw, have you ever simply thought about which/what entity GUARANTEES your rights as a us citizen ?)
Think hard now…

Bll,
Mr. Gwatney was killed on August 13, 2008. The DHS report is “right on” if you think 8 months after the fact is a timely way to warn law enforcement of potential threats. Releasing the DHS report today accomplishes its politically motivated agenda against TEA parties which some want to paint as a crazy right wing movement. I do not doubt that right wing ideas form a nucleus to TEA party protests but they have a right to demonstrate and be heard as much as anti-war protesters did about Iraq before it became fashionable.

If they’re unhappy with Government interference here, they should move to Somalia where there is no Government. They can set up their businesses tax free over there or become pirates. Labor is cheap, although they may have a tough time finding consumers to buy their goods.

“we have the DHS issuing a report about right-wing extremism.”
updated 7:41 p.m. PT, Mon., July 28, 2008
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. – An out-of-work truck driver accused of opening fire at a Unitarian church, killing two people, left behind a note suggesting that he targeted the congregation out of hatred for its liberal policies, including its acceptance of gays, authorities said Monday.
A four-page letter found in Jim D. Adkisson’s small SUV indicated he intentionally targeted the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church because, the police chief said, “he hated the liberal movement” and was upset with “liberals in general as well as gays.”

Free speech does not involve insighting others to riot against the legally elected government of the United States of America using incentives like Hilter, socialism, threats that guns will be taken away, and the demise of the country. The political right takes no responsibility for the words that threaten lives. This Obama administration has been in office since January 20th, 2009. The trashing of the economy happened on the political rights watch. The motives of the political right appear to be nefarious. No matter what the president does, the political right has no good thing to say. There is a right wing radio station in my home town with negative, demeaning talk, attacking the president from 6am until 10pm at night. They have listeners leaning on every word. I listen when I can stand it, to try to understand the world view of people who are so angry. The political right appeals to fear, racism, and hate to attrack listeners. The DHS is necessary and right on! No responsibility, the right wing takes no responsibility for their speech.

“rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority,” Wow. I guess anyone who believes in the Constitution is a right-wing extremist.

Ellesbelles:
Could you explain what you mean by that? I think we’d all like to know.

The current administration is a bunch of armchair theorists with NO EXPERIENCE IN THE REAL WORLD – WHAT DO YOU ALL EXPECT??? DA!!

How ironic, and sad that so many people still listen to these hypocrites.
They still, continually espouse that theirs is the only philosophy that works and after coming very close to bankrupting our great county with there myopic views that tax cuts will solve any and every problem.
Then to complain about the second of two studies relating to the two parties is equally sad.

“Ryan C – I’m not sure how believing in states rights (as guaranteed by the constitution under ), means ignoring Amendment XIV. It doesn’t negate equal protection.”
Believing that states have rights does not reject equal protection.
However believing in “rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority”
Is not a belief in states rights but a rejection of federal authority.
But then again for the most part believers in states right on the right side of the aisle tend to do so because they are still miffed at integration.

From Thomas Jefferson -
“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have.”
That’s what Obama, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are aiming for.
Oh – I forgot — Thomas Jefferson was a right wing extremist.

State’s Rights: A mythical term from a bygone era.. now being perpetuated by the newly disgruntled.

ryanc,dale in co
gotcha!
“More right wingers parroting the lies they were told.” Do you think that lies are exclusive to the right?
Surely Rachael Madcow or Olbermann would never spread lies or slant or spin. They are as guilty as Rush etal. Instead of being our watchdogs, all of them driving wedges between us.
I am a registered democrat (not a liberal) and am ###### off at what we are becoming. I can’t stand what the dem/gop parties have migrated toward and it makes me ill. It’s nothing but a power grab.

Posted by: skunkwerx | Apr 16, 2009 10:07:44 AM
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Sorry ,but most of your argument is as holey as swiss cheese. And honestly I don’t care to illuminate you on this matter because democratic lawmakers will do what is needed whether people like you or the other gun nuts agree or not ,which is good. Your opinions are just that , and are not based on facts or reality but are based on things you have heard or read or whatever on some right wing leaning gun loving media outlet (like Fox ,or the plethora of more crude ,vicious ones ,that peddle hate and intolerance ,the very nexus of this article in fact) .
Far too many Americans ,especially conservatives it seems , think their opinions are golden The problem is that they largely are undereducated but at the same time they are rabidly opinionated to the point of being impossible to reason with ,as is your case/predicament. Not unusual today at all , just rather perplexing to the rest of the non-whackos ,who can’t figure out why anyone would say or do such sophomoric and occasionally illegal things.
No one is coming for your .22 or target clay , that is just hyperbolic alarmist fear mongering ,the likes of which got 3 policemen killed just lately.
Just like screaming out “FIRE!” in a crowded theater ,you really DON’T have the right to say whatever you think ,and when you (or an entity) incites others to illegal civil disobedience (or worse) YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE!!
Why don’t you write letters to their widows and kids explaining your viewpoint that “THE GOVERNMENT IS COMING FOR ALL OUR GUNS!!”
People like you are very responsible for the rabble you rouse with your strident affirmations of what you THINK.
When/if you can get a consensus of INTELLIGENT people to agree with your deluded/simplistic/ misinformed opinions , then you might have something worthwhile .
As long as your main affirmations come from groups/individuals with deep pro-gun leanings your opinion is just a glad hand for what they say ,you are just parroting what they tell you to think ,with no real thought or reasoning behind your opinions.
That would be ok ,if you didn’t spout out such drivel for the world to hear , just like the rest of the gun crazies who go on and on about the 2nd amendment ,then in the same sentence start in on the “wheres his birth certificate ?” or ” he is not a christian ,he is a muslim terrorist!” or ” look look , he got his kids a swingset ,he wasted taxpayer $$$ ,or worse …Such commentary is quite obviously overtly pre-biased towards one political party ,ridiculous and unworthy of much attention ,like your pro-gun rant/ silliness.
I am a gun owner, with several firearms and I am not worried about my guns getting taken away at all, and neither are most sane rational Americans as well.

I am a conservative. That is NOT a political position as much as it is a way of life. I believe in The Constitution, minimal government, the rule of law, demonstrably provable scientific facts, The Golden Rule, the value of reasoned cynicism and SELF-RESPONSIBILITY. If that is sufficient to brand me a “Right Wing Extremist”, then I stand proudly accused. I believe the TRUELY dangerous among us are those who would modify the above principals for self centered reasons. People who would encourage a “Fairness Doctrine” on COMMERCIAL enterprise such as talk radio. (do it on PBS stations, thats fine) Those same folks would faint if it was carried over into T. V. or newsprint, the “Liberals” would be out of jobs. Or folks whom legalized killing their own young under the guise of personal “Right to manage their own body.” No such “Right” exists, so they persuaded The Supreme Court to create one just for them. They care not a whit for pregnant women whom have been incarcerated for NOT properly careing for their pre-birth children. So much for true concern. We have a legal system that will convict one person of murder for taking the life of a fetus prior to birth, yet PAY a Doctor for doing the exact same thing. We have a social culture that attempts to DEMAND all of us to treat members of a minority, cul-de-sac, micro society as “normal”, when in fact they are ABNORMAL by ANY measurement or definition of nature. If you have friends, relatives or neighbors whom think like that, then you know some REALLY dangerous extremists operating under color of “Liberal” ideals.

If you can point me to the line in the report that says all soldiers are unhinged nutjobs, or all pro-lifers are dangerous fanatics, or that everybody concerned about illegal immigration is a murderous fanatic, I promise to try to work up some outrage.
Otherwise… looks like another tempest in a teapot, hmm?

Just out of curiosity, does this report tell us anything about the radical right that we don’t already know? They have guns and will kill every last one of us to keep them. I get it! I get it!

Dear Leader won because of a slick campaign/lots and lots of money, the fawning of the mainstream media, the suppression of anything negative about Him by the mainstream media, the idea that going Democrat would automatically solve everything, and McCain’s mistakes.
I wouldn’t take too much heart in His win because the Liberal Socialism many of you espouse here is not what folks voted for…handouts, maybe, but not to start singing the Internationale in ACORN-run communes. In short, you guys are quite alone apart from the Hollywood/MSM elitists, college professors and illegal immigrants.
The Present really needs to get a hold of this situation. But, I suspect that the Left is actually trying to goad people into trying something so that they can be dealt with once and for all, and allow the Marxists even greater, more permanent powers. And if they don’t try something, the Marxists will get what they want anyway…pretty much a win-win for them and a royal screwing for the country as a whole.
We can sit around and imagine such things happening ‘over there somewhere’, but it will be where we all live. Everything will be shut down.
We’d rather keep it strictly political of course, but my take on it is that the extremely vile talk over the last 8 years from the Left has made it seem OK to those on the Right. What makes you Libs think that it’s only the Black Panther/Weather Underground types that are capable of going ape? Paradoxically, accusing people of being terrorists who really aren’t might set them off.
Also, who’s to say that some Communist group won’t start something? They’ve tried before.
Despite you Liberals going off about George Bush, -he’s at home in Texas looking at blueprints of his library. He’s outta there. He was not an extremist. But the People’s Choice is. Hopefully, future generations will learn what a real extremist looks like and not vote for them. But television would have to become extinct first I suppose.
I hope that all this is worth it so that a few people can feel good about themselves being ‘progressive’ and ‘citizens of the world’.

Some one the left obviously think there’s a right wing extremist neocon behind every bush. Why would they even put out a memo like this? I think it shows a lack of real acumen.

How is quoting the story grounds to be removed? How is stating a fact from the story/report and agreeing that it could be true grounds to be removed. Yes, we vets are trained by the gov’t. Yes, we were privy to methods and tactics and can execute those same tactics better than civies can. Yes, we can do more damage than your average civie. What in there is wrong or disrespectful?

DHS needs to consider all threats, from all extremist groups whatever belief they hold, it bothers me that conservatives and military veterans would be a target of this report. Their are no facts to back this up, There are facts about so called immigration groups who are so extreme that they have beaten people who oppose them, and it has been caught on video. Reports and proof on suspious activity of groups accepting money from governments outside this country, who are considered not frendly to the United States. Such groups have discussed immigration policies of the United States with officals of such governments. And DHS is focus on groups, because they are white, as a threat, their are just as many Hispanic extremist groups who are opposing laws that the DHS is suppose to uphold. It needs, to stop and consider all angles of threats. when you do a threat report all threats must ne considered and it should have been labeled as a developing threat, along with other extreme groups activites. (White or not) who are conducting activties they come close to violating laws. DHS has a biased report, and continues to use the old Sterotype of Klan members, being a threat, while they still are, there are other threats to be considered, not all will resort to violent acts as DHS wants to think, most want to use the political process as a means to place leaders who want open borders, and replace exsisting laws, that would threaten National secuirty because of their ties with governments that want this country be a open place.

I shed blood and took blood for this country and would willingly do it all over again. I will be damned if I wont fight when my country turns its back on me and my brothers/sisters who have and will give and take life for our commander in chief, no matter how idiotic he or she may be. Through the years, all the leaders of the united states have turned a blind eye and their back on all veterans and only take care of them when someone finally decides that enough is enough and speaks up. I learned that my country cares for nothing but power and money.