Deviating from Official Flu Warnings, VP Biden Suggests Americans Should Avoid All Mass Transit
The White House was forced to issue a clarifying statement after Vice President Biden went a little off-message this morning about what he would advise his family in terms of the current flu crisis.
Asked by NBC’s Matt Lauer what he would tell a member of his family who came to him and asked whether he should fly to and from Mexico on a commercial airliner in the next week, the vice president gave an answer that goes much farther than the precautions the president suggested last night, or the travelers’ advisories given by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"I would tell members of my family, and I have, ‘I wouldn’t go anywhere in confined places now,’" the vice president said. "It’s not that he’s going to Mexico, it’s that you’re in a confined aircraft, and one person sneezes, it goes all the way through the aircraft."
"That’s me," the vice president said.
"I would not be — at this point, if they had another way of transportation — suggesting they ride the subway," the vice president said. "So from my perspective what relates to mitigation, if you’re out in the middle of a field and someone sneezes, that’s one thing. If you’re in a closed aircraft or a closed container or closed car or closed class room, it’s a different thing."
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Elizabeth Alexander, the vice president’s spokeswoman, quickly issued a statement saying that “the advice he is giving family members is the same advice the administration is giving to all Americans: that they should avoid unnecessary air travel to and from Mexico. If they are sick, they should avoid airplanes and other confined public spaces, such as subways. This is the advice the vice president has given family members who are traveling by commercial airline this week. As the president said just last night, every American should take the same steps you would take to prevent any other flu: keep your hands washed; cover your mouth when you cough; stay home from work if you’re sick; and keep your children home from school if they’re sick.”
That, of course, is not what the vice president said. In fact, he specifically suggested travel to and from Mexico wasn’t the issue — the problem was being in a confined space.
The CDC’s advice is that Americans avoid non-essential travel to Mexico, and that those traveling to affected areas:
- Avoid contact with ill persons;
- When you cough or sneeze, cover your nose and mouth with a tissue or your sleeve (if you do not have a tissue). Throw used tissues in a trash can;
- After you cough or sneeze, wash your hands with soap and water, or use an alcohol-based hand gel;
- If you think you are ill with flu, avoid close contact with others as much as possible. Stay at home or in your hotel room. Seek medical care if you are severely ill (such as having trouble breathing). There are antiviral medications for prevention and treatment of swine flu that a doctor can prescribe. Do not go to work, school, or travel while ill.
– jpt
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Right…as if Joe travels on civilian aircraft and trains these days.
The President needs to send Joe off to ‘an undisclosed location’ for a while.
Posted by: J House | April 30, 2009, 8:51 am 8:51 am
the boy also called matt SAMMY!!! maybe he forgot his meds this am. poor joey boy. let’s all pray for him today and his daughter.
Posted by: jill | April 30, 2009, 8:56 am 8:56 am
Just more work for poor Gibbsy at the afternoon press briefing. I’m sure Biden had no idea what he was talking about…
Posted by: matt | April 30, 2009, 9:11 am 9:11 am
The media and the Administration need to take a deep breath and calm down. They are creating more panic and unnecessary worry and problems than the flu ever will.
Posted by: karen | April 30, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Biden’s a smart man. But I really wish he would get his statements down and know what he’s going to say before he goes on the morning TV news shows.
I can see it now. Obama sends a message to Biden’s office.
“MEMO FROM THE PRESIDENT: Joe, please stop panicking the populace.”
Posted by: R.S. Lindsay | April 30, 2009, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Frankly I think the media is more out of control that even Joe’s mouth.
Posted by: FedUp | April 30, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am
As someone posted elsewhere, Joe Biden is
the Democratic Party’s version of Dan Quayle. Can he say anything less appropriate?
Posted by: Tyrone | April 30, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am
Stay home and read a good book.
Posted by: LongT | April 30, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am
He has earned his name of Joe Blunder
Biden. That guy is this administrations
Forest Gump.
Posted by: wis134` | April 30, 2009, 9:27 am 9:27 am
NOW you’re worried about Biden. Talk about the horse already having left the barn.
Posted by: nomomoney | April 30, 2009, 9:31 am 9:31 am
He answered the question honestly. He should know better.
And please…as if Joe Biden’s statement is going to cause “hysteria.” Give me a break.
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 9:31 am 9:31 am
As soon as I heard it this morning live on TV I knew the White House had a problem – and now it is fun watching his staff and the media cover for him. No matter what your political viewpoint, you have to admit there is a wide gulf between the measured and confident Obama last night, and the goof Biden this morning.
Posted by: A Jackson | April 30, 2009, 9:32 am 9:32 am
“He has earned his name of Joe Blunder
Biden. That guy is this administrations
Forest Gump.”
Forest Gump > George W. Bush
Nothing wrong with Forest Gump. The man had a very strong moral compass and made wise decisions. Not to mention those ping-pong skills.
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Republicans don’t appreciate honesty, Joe!!!
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am
WOW 69 people with the flu moslty in Mexico and politicians and News oultets calling for the closing of the economy. Blind and dumb at it again. I thought Bush and Cheneys entourage retired.
Wolf Blitzer was selling lots of toothpaste last night. Wacky?
Posted by: hhkeller | April 30, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Please, People: this is a none story. For those Obama-Biden haters…go ahead and have your fun.
Posted by: Darrell | April 30, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Biden’s interview doesn’t make sense at all. He have a ‘lack’ of inexperience and leadership. He is the worse VP in this history.
Posted by: anonymous | April 30, 2009, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Mr. Biden, you can not stop the spread of this thing. If scientists at Los Alamos said you can’t stop it quit worrying about the spread and deal with the triage.
Posted by: Huh | April 30, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am
anonymous, I bow to your greatness! My favorite poster on this site.
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 9:41 am 9:41 am
“Mr. Biden, you can not stop the spread of this thing. If scientists at Los Alamos said you can’t stop it quit worrying about the spread and deal with the triage.”
Yeah, Mr. Biden! If scientists at Los Alamos can’t stop it, make sure your kids get it!
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Biden is a walking, talking, gaffe-machine. While The One played up his superior “judgement” capabilities (to make up for his lack of experience) during the campaign, his selection of Amtrak Joe would surely lead an objective observer to question these self- (and MSM) proclaimed capabilities.
But, I find him refreshing vs. the rest of his nuanced and measuredcolleagues who rarely offer direct answers to questions.
Posted by: tjp612 | April 30, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Biden off message…nah, I will never believe it, must be a misquote…ROTFLMAO
I think he spoke as a person, not as a politician…and although it was off message, I’m sure many have thought the same thing.
Posted by: samhiguchi | April 30, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am
More sensationalism, I don’t see how this was a blunder, I’ve heard at least a hundred times that aircrafts are perfect ways of spreading a virus because the air on a plane is recycled and never really filtered properly. Plus its common sence to stay away from inclosed crowded areas if you can avoid them. Another million viewers for abcnews and another way to add fuel to a story they hope never goes away, this is perfect for sweeps month. I’m glad I work for an insurance company right now we’ll probably see our stock split in the next couple of days…..nice.
Posted by: Ismael | April 30, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am
And they thought Palin was bad???
Posted by: CG | April 30, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am
“Biden is a walking, talking, gaffe-machine. While The One played up his superior “judgement” capabilities (to make up for his lack of experience) during the campaign, his selection of Amtrak Joe would surely lead an objective observer to question these self- (and MSM) proclaimed capabilities.
But, I find him refreshing vs. the rest of his nuanced and measuredcolleagues who rarely offer direct answers to questions.”
And now it’s time for a little game I call “Count the Contradictions.”
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Anything Biden says I’ll listen too. Yeah right!
Posted by: LongT | April 30, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Plagerist!
Posted by: LongT | April 30, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am
I thought Palin was the idiot?
Posted by: New Cronkite | April 30, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am
30,000 people a year die from the regular flu…this flu is pandemic only because of how rapidly it is spreading. As with all flu, it comes on suddenly and you have all of the symptoms fever, cough, muscle aches, sore throat sometimes nausea vomitting and diarrhea. It is not one or two of the symptoms, they key is fever over 101 and muscle aches and sudden onset. Biden was right, staying out of confined spaces right now is probably smart. This will pass in the next week or two. Calm down and wash those hands!
Posted by: midwest doc | April 30, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am
I’m a repbulican and even I admit this is a non-issue. Go get yourself exposed and get it over with.
Posted by: kegger55 | April 30, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Come on guys ! We know that Biden is nothing but a life insurance for The One.This guy makes Dan Quale look a genius !!
Posted by: Frank | April 30, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Ideas to help reduce the spread of this nasty virus. If a student is showing signs of flu symptoms, encourage students to check out laptops from a school’s library to receive classroom instructions through the Internet at home. Allow some kind permission slip to be written for parents of these students to stay home with paid leave. For the college students, give them a chance to move into special housing. Have them move out of the dorms where the students can spread the disease. Again give them a chance to receive all classroom instructions through the Internet.
Encourage adults to telecommute on their jobs in case of them being sick. Give emergency paid leave for adults who are sick to prevent them from showing up at work. It may be cheaper to give paid leave as compared to people showing up at work sick. Many people do not receive paid sick leave benefits. Many work with the public such as a waitress or cashier for example…
Posted by: dave in des moines | April 30, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Good idea! Let’s all stay home and shut down the economy just 2 months after we went 3+ trillion in debt to stimulate it.
Posted by: Magical MIschief Maker | April 30, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am
“I thought Palin was the idiot?”
Is this really the front where you want to fight this battle? And yes, she is an idiot. Dinasaurs and people…hand in hand. Sounds like a cute Disney movie.
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am
“Good idea! Let’s all stay home and shut down the economy just 2 months after we went 3+ trillion in debt to stimulate it.”
I’m sorry…is that what he said to do? I must have missed that part.
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Biden said nothing wrong. Why did they need to clarify what he said? We are at pandemic level 5 which means it is spreading from person to person. His point was to avoid *all* confined spaces, not just flights to Mexico (which sounds correct to me).
Posted by: Francesca | April 30, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Nice to see that Obama has gone back to the mold of do-nothing VPs, who only exist to say stupid things that keep the focus off the president as much as possible. It worked for Nixon and Bush Sr.
Posted by: Brian Levine | April 30, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am
VP Biden made it clear even in the quote that he offered this as his personal opinion, not as any official or prefessional guidance. Far be it for a government official to actually answer the question they were asked (which was what advice would he give his own family), and to give a common-sense answer.
Posted by: iamwomaninMI | April 30, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Yeah, seems like a great front to me :) Being an independent, I’m comfortable accepting that they’re both idiots. Biden won the office – so we get four years of his idiocy.
Posted by: New Cronkite | April 30, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
You are all so funny!! Anyone works in microbiology or cellular lab?
Looks like none of you have a slightest clue as to how a virus can spread.
None of you will even begin to realize it until you your self are affected by it.
Posted by: greenfrog | April 30, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Yup, I watched him say that this morning. I knew the moment it came out that they would issue a statement. I dont care, I would avoid that stuff too. I do have a stepfather that has to fly next week. I told my mom to put him in quarintine when he gets back…lol! He is going to California and we dont want him to bring anything back with him. Who cares what Biden said, its common sense w/ this crap going around. To slow the spread of it avoid unnecessary travel. Oh and I am not a democrate and I did not vote for him…but its not a big deal.
Posted by: LIFE | April 30, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am
Lets all fly over NYC and give them another scare LMAO
Joe Biden… Stand up Chuck Stand Up
Breaking news: Biden commmited to Betty Ford clinic for stupidity
Posted by: How am I doing now Comrades | April 30, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am
“And now it’s time for a little game I call “Count the Contradictions.”
Let’s play! Come on down!
Posted by: tjp612 | April 30, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am
Brian Levine, at least our new VP is not some evil denizen of the underworld, lurking just outside the realm of accountability on any level, and who regularly feeds off human misery even in his business ventures (aka defense contracting, prison contracting.
Posted by: iamwomaninfl | April 30, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am
I always try to stay positive no matter what so I will say this about this whole pig flu situation…..If this was 1985 we wouldn’t be able to combat this virus the sameway but now in the age of the internet, texting, twittering, and the advancements made in television If there’s a new case of swine flu 10,000 miles away we know about it literally minutes after its officially reported. So remember my friends this is not 1918 I feel we are ready for this, Mexico was unfortunately not ready.
Posted by: Ismael | April 30, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am
“”It’s not that he’s going to Mexico, it’s that you’re in a confined aircraft,” (Joe Biden)
Dear Joe:
Say goodbye to First Class seat. Say goodbye to window seat. Say goodbye to aisle seat. Say “hello” to middle seat. and most likely between 2 heavily overweight passengers.
Posted by: asensibleone | April 30, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am
He speaks the truth. It’s just some people and “big corporation” (airlines for instance)do not want to hear it!
Posted by: Jinny Lee | April 30, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am
One heartbeat away. Sterling choice, Mr. President.
Posted by: jcarob | April 30, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am
Biden genuinely fears for his family and yet the Obama administration fails to close the border and moniter arrivals from Mexico. I think Joe is an idiot but a useful one. He is telling the truth (how he really feels) while the administration tries to be politically correct in the face of a flu pandemic. Unbelievable.
Posted by: Concerned | April 30, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am
Some thing just doesn’t make any sense in America. I would like these so-called experts to come before the American public to explain why they are still resistent to closing the border with Mexico and banning all non-essential travels to that country. If you do not beleive this would help, why are you advising people to avoid unnecessary travel to that country. This is absolutely nonsense and illogical. If you know the source is in Mexico, why didn’t you try from day 1 to contain the virus in Mexico. Instead, you continued to allow people to go into that country to bring the disease back into the US and then you want to shut down the school system here. What is going to be next? Are we going to shut down all our public transportations and the all the shopping malls and all the restaurants? Give me a break. VP Biden is speaking from his heart. He has my support.
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 10:05 am 10:05 am
This guy’s only a heartbeat away from the Presidency people and is definetly the future of his party! He is the brains behind the new left. I guess the question is, how many brains does it take to be the brains behind the new left?
Posted by: marco | April 30, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Say it ain’t so Joe… LOL.
Posted by: Jon | April 30, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am
“Say goodbye to First Class seat. Say goodbye to window seat. Say goodbye to aisle seat. Say “hello” to middle seat. and most likely between 2 heavily overweight passengers.”
Please…this is Amtrak Joe you’re talking about. No assigned seats on the Amtrak, brah!
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am
I would hate to hear what totus tells barry to say to joey boy when he and big boy Barry have their little sit down talky talk today. I hope for joey’s sake that totus doesn’t let big boy barry hurt little joey.
Posted by: jill | April 30, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am
They’re making fun of him here, but it is true that being in a confined space with a sick person is riskier than being in an open field with one. He didn’t actually say anything untrue or incorrect. I don’t understand what the fuss of this article is about.
Posted by: mallory | April 30, 2009, 10:09 am 10:09 am
“One heartbeat away. Sterling choice, Mr. President.”
If you have a problem with what he said, please articulate what it is.
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am
I always tell my kids – if they think they smell smoke in the theater, scream “FIRE!” and run for the exits. Maybe that’s just me – better safe than sorry I say. Also, the idiot who picked me as his running mate gave a speech last night that he’d prefer dominate the news cycle… now let ‘em spend the next 24 hours running a little damage control for Crazy Uncle Joe :)
Posted by: New Cronkite | April 30, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am
“His point was to avoid *all* confined spaces, not just flights to Mexico (which sounds correct to me).”
President Obama placed the onus on those who are ill to avoid confined spaces so as to not spread the flu. VP Biden upped the anti by placing the onus on everyone avoiding confined spaces in order to not contract the flu. That is a huge difference.
VP Biden should have answered the question by acknowledging President Obama’s comment and reiterated it. Instead VP Biden’s comment sends a mixed signal–one that if taken to heart by the American people could have a huge impact on the economy.
Posted by: James Danley | April 30, 2009, 10:13 am 10:13 am
We will be so ready for a real leader by 2012! Maybe President Loser should call Hugo Chavez for advice?
Posted by: chris | April 30, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Biden needs a teleprompter too. He is a heartbeat away from the presidency,.. how comforting.
Posted by: 1ifbyland2ifbysea | April 30, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Lack of proper precautions such as closing the border with Mexico and restricting air travel to and from countries with confirmed cases, clearly puts the spread of this flu on the head of the administration.
Posted by: hkdakota | April 30, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am
This is not a joking matter. It’s a life-and-death issue for America. WAKE UP! OBAMA, CLOSE THE BORDERS AND NOW.
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 10:15 am 10:15 am
Joe tells the truth, and anyone with half a brain is thinking the same thing. The real problem is that government grovels at the feet of corporations that are afraid they will lose a dime if people use their common sense and stay home or at the very least avoid crowded and enclosed places.
Posted by: Cia | April 30, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am
Obama wont close the borders. He doesn’t care about America’s safety. If he won’t get tough w/ terrorists, what makes you think he would get tough w/ Mexico regarding the Swine Flu???
Posted by: chris | April 30, 2009, 10:17 am 10:17 am
No matter what you think of Joe Biden, he answered the question honestly. He was asked what he would tell his family, and any parent who has a choice in the matter and is one to act on the side of caution, would advise their child the same. Not a major catastrophy.
Posted by: Kim | April 30, 2009, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Slikey????It’s the opposite of what totus told big boy to say!!!!! Don’t you obabbatrons listen to what your fearless leader Totus (talking to Barry) tells you to do/believe? when you drink the Kool aid at least look to see what color it is before you swollow it.
Posted by: timmy | April 30, 2009, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Oh, how refreshing to see such unity in the White House. *insert eye roll here*
And I thought Biden was picked because his experience would help back up an inexperienced President. Instead, it’s looking more like a three-ring circle every day! Ha ha ha ha ha!!!
Posted by: JustMe | April 30, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Ask yourself honestly, was this a gaffe before ABCnews told you it was? I’ve seen Biden ask a handicap man in a wheelchair to stand up! Now that’s a gaffe!
Posted by: isher451 | April 30, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Biden is a hooooooooooot!!!! Keep it up motor mouth!! LMAO
Posted by: lovingpolitics | April 30, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am
This could be over sooner rather then later if the right precautions are taken!!!
Posted by: hkdakota | April 30, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am
If Obama doesn’t do it, Congress should move. Tell him to do it or impreach him to get Joe in the driver’s seat.
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Let’s see, close the schools, stay out of public places, don’t use public transportation, but don’t even think about closing the borders?
Posted by: Terry | April 30, 2009, 10:24 am 10:24 am
“Slikey????It’s the opposite of what totus told big boy to say!!!!! Don’t you obabbatrons listen to what your fearless leader Totus (talking to Barry) tells you to do/believe? when you drink the Kool aid at least look to see what color it is before you swollow it.”
I don’t drink Kool-aid. I don’t think there is a right or wrong here. Would Obama have prefered that Biden stay on message? Of course. But I get why he answered honestly. In fact, it’s entirely possible that Obama, privately, encouraged the comment. That’s what’s best, but you can’t dis Mexico like that on the record. While it’s a “mixed” message, it’s a very obvious message.
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am
The human gaffe machine keeps rolling. With his pronouncement, the mass transits will suffer a loss of ridership, further eroding the revenue to these systems. Keep it up Mr. Biden. Someone’s writing this stuff all down to be published in a calendar next year!
Posted by: Gina | April 30, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am
Take a deep breath. You walk into the doctor with an illness fearing you have Swine Flu. Doctor tells you, “You don’t have Swine Flu… you have the normal everyday flu.”
You relax… you’ve dodged the proverbial bullet!!!!
Then he adds, “Mind you you still have EXACTLY THE SAME 1% chance to DIE from it.”
Its the FLU…. 13,000 people have died from every day run of the mill flu this year…. no one PANICed.
It’ll spread faster/further because no one has resistance, but at least its not a death sentence if you catch it. How many of you “the sky is fallings” bothered to even get a NORMAL flu shot? After all 350,000-500,000 die every year from that and you weren’t worried.
Posted by: TS | April 30, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am
They will never waste a good crisis! The fall of this administration and this presidency will be oh so sweet!
Posted by: chris | April 30, 2009, 10:28 am 10:28 am
Biden is a joke.
The looney koolaid drinkers told us he is the smart one. He hasn’t proved it yet.
Infact, what are we up to now with the Oh that Joe number? Did we break a thousand yet?
Posted by: William Longstocking | April 30, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Poor Joe Biden. He just can’t shut up. When he does speak, he comes off like an idiot.
A wise man once wrote that “a fool is known by the multiplicity of his words.”
Posted by: Scott | April 30, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Biden is an idiot. Just shows how smart the other idiot in the wh is. God help from these socialists.
Posted by: former BO supporter | April 30, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Oh look, a bunch of comments.
I bet if I scroll down through them I find the usual appologists making excuses for Joe’s stupidity….
Posted by: Angie | April 30, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am
the sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: former BO supporter | April 30, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Yes, the horse is already out of the barn door. But the horses still in the barn (viruses) are meeting other horses and making new and improved horses (more lethal viruses). So close the barn door (the border). Also… who was suposed to be watching the barn door in the first place, and why didn’t they?
Posted by: FoolKiller | April 30, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
Biden needs JUMBOTRON to follow him around too.
Or should I say, Biden needs to follow JUMBOTRON around.
Posted by: Our "special" Veep | April 30, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Gina:”With his pronouncement, the mass transits will suffer a loss of ridership, further eroding the revenue to these systems.”
Really? Lets see the numbers. Heck – did anyone notice fewer people on the train this morning?
When you make statements like that remember they can be immediately tested by millions of people willing to look at reality and judge the value of your opinions based on their own lying eyes.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am
No real catastrophy is correct. But no slack was given to the other party during the campaign. Media and dems were sure laughing and mocking, scorning and ridiculing every thing that Sarah said. What a party of fakes and hypocrites, there no better than the other side. Without totus they sound like dopes too.
Posted by: 1ifbyland2ifbysea | April 30, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am
check ms nbc.com 53% give BO a failing grade. remember this a left leaning web site. “touts new foundation” is the title.
Posted by: former BO supporter | April 30, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am
If anything positive can come from this is to show everyone how vulnerable we are to either a naturally occurring or man mad flu pandemic. Maybe as we look at the future of “personal transportation” we shouldn’t be look at mass transit which can be disrupted so easily.
Posted by: tillyerkt | April 30, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am
There are now more confirmed cases in the US than in Mexico (or anywhere else). It’s no longer about us closing our borders. Pretty soon EVERYONE will be closing THEIR borders (and stopping air travel) to the US. It’s not just about us, something Obama professes, but obviously doesn’t get. We had our chance to get out in front of this… he didn’t. Pretty soon the rest of the world will tell us to stay home until we get better or die.
Posted by: FoolKiller | April 30, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am
William Longstocking:”The looney koolaid drinkers told us he is the smart one. He hasn’t proved it yet.”
Really? Richard Lugar and Jesse Helms seemed to think he’s proven to show some intelligence. So did Soviet Foreign Minister Andrey Gromyko. Congressional Quarterly sure doesn’t agree, but they’re just basing their honoring of him a decade ago on reality so ignore that. He was praised for even-handness while on the judiciary committee, refusing to stoop to personal slanders like many Democrats during the Bork review, and cutting the Anita Hill accusations off at the knees by refusing her any collaborating witness testimony in from of the committee.
Biden is well known to talk too much, to give his personal opinion when his professional opinion and statement should be “I don’t know, that’s not my field.” But to claim he’s is and always has been worthless is to show a PROFOUND ignorance of his documented track record of real achievement.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 10:42 am 10:42 am
“check ms nbc.com 53% give BO a failing grade. remember this a left leaning web site. “touts new foundation” is the title.”
1) This is incorrect.
2) Even if it was correct, it is not remotely scientific. All it needs is for a right or left wing organisation to link to this poll to grossly influence it. As a poll it is completely worthless.
Posted by: SR | April 30, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am
Wow. Mexico has closed its federal government because of the flu scare. And yet, no need to close borders?
I can’t decide if this flu scare is just media over hyping being handled wisely and calmly by the administration, or something really serious that is being completely bungled. I guess time will tell…
Posted by: Terry | April 30, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am
FoolKiller:” We had our chance to get out in front of this… he didn’t.”
When was our chance to get out in front of this exactly? Please cite the specific date that the swine flu was recognized as a potential pandemic AND was not already in the US.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am
It amazes me how many negative-Biden comment’s I’ve read,rearding this column.Vice President Biden answers a question “from the eart”and “honestly”,and it’s called a gaffe? Could it be that after 8 years of deceipt and lies,they’re just not accustomed to hearing the truth?
Posted by: Johnathan Schoening | April 30, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am
What ever happened to that “Bird flu” thing. I thought we were all supposed to die from that too. Biden is the boy who cried wolf.
Posted by: former BO supporter | April 30, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Biden “used” to be intelligent when he was younger.
Today he is too old and has senior moments more frequent than not. As in everytime he speaks.
Posted by: Kate | April 30, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am
greenfrog:”None of you will even begin to realize it until you your self are affected by it.”
Yes, because NO ONE but a professional microbiologist has EVER had the flu…
This is Ebola or some sort of superbug. It’s a new variant of the flu. That’s it, and as the flu kills tens of thousands in the US, that’s enough for caution.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am
cound on Joe to give us some comic relief. Do you wonder that they didn’t drag him out so we can all laugh? So funny to have the white guy we the silly fool, huh? And the black guy be the restrained, thoughtful one. if this were a TV show, with the black president always saying the right thing, and the white VP being the fool, you’d say “that would never happen in REAL life, right?” right? LOL! too funny. That’s Ok, Joe. We could all use a laugh today. doh!
Posted by: matt | April 30, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am
Oops, I meant to say: “This isn’t Ebola or some sort of superbug.”
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am
sr: did you go to the website”number” and read it. 39.1% give him an “f” and 14% give him a “d” on a left website. It is not scientific agreed but it is interesting.
Posted by: former BO supporter | April 30, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
“Bird flu”—this IS the bird flu. It mutated.
Posted by: peter | April 30, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
So ignore public transportation and everyone drive their own cars.
What do you think Al Gore thinks of that.
Posted by: oscar 54 | April 30, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am
former BO supporter:”What ever happened to that “Bird flu” thing. I thought we were all supposed to die from that too. Biden is the boy who cried wolf. ”
Could you please cite Biden ‘crying wolf’ over the bird flu? Are you referring to S 1687 that he introduced in 2007? In retrospect, that bill actually seems like it was a good idea – improving overseas analytical labs to allow us early identification and warning about emerging pandemics.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Please cite the specific date that the swine flu was recognized as a potential pandemic —It was recognize by a nurse in New York after kids got back from Mexico and she had a line out the door of flu patients. She called the CDC. Mexico was denying there was anything wrong at this time. It was identified, corret me if I’m wrong, it was brought to hte attention of the CDC and the WHO by the US! AFTER it was found here! They tested the virus and found it WAS bird flu mutated. surprise surprise! At that time it was ripping through that New York private school.
Posted by: Peter | April 30, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am
sr: did you go to the website”number” and read it. 39.1% give him an “f” and 14% give him a “d” on a left website. It is not scientific agreed but it is interesting.
Posted by: former BO supporter | April 30, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am
“When was our chance to get out in front of this exactly? Please cite the specific date that the swine flu was recognized as a potential pandemic AND was not already in the US.”******
This is the job of our government. Obama should have known it and should have taken actions on it. Apparently, our tax dollars are not working.
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am
He was asked what he would say to his family members.
He answered honestly.
In another two weeks, his words will appear to be GREAT ADVICE.
Everyone is in denial about the coming pandemic.
The government is choosing its words to avoid inciting panic.
Everything is happening exactly as the scientists and others experts said it would as a pandemic begins.
It took only 3 weeks for the 1918 flu to go from CA, NY, TX and a few midwestern states (like it was on Sunday the 26th) to a full-fledged pandemic. The number of states at this point are now 12. It will just go up.
You’re darn right you should keep out of closed spaces, including airplanes.
The president of Mexico told his people what U.S. politicians are too afraid to say, “STAY HOME.”
Posted by: Lorilyn | April 30, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am
Peter: I’m a bit unclear, so we should have closed the borders after the flu was already confirmed to be in the midst of New York city or on Sunday, when it was actually identified as the swine flu?
And my actual question was:
“Please cite the specific date that the swine flu was recognized as a potential pandemic AND WAS NOT ALREADY IN THE US.”
You know, when it would have actually been useful to close the border (if such a thing were really even logistical possible.)
As reference, could you list the countries who closed their borders at that point?
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Lorilyn:”The government is choosing its words to avoid inciting panic.”
I’m not clear here – are you suggesting the government should be inciting panic? Shut down the entire nation rather than use rational and regionally targeted containment efforts?
The current government actions are supported strongly by both President Obama’s administration and Dr. Ron Paul. When that diverse a spectrum agrees on the best course of action, I tend to think there’s a reason.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 11:01 am 11:01 am
32.2%
A
111,590 votes
8.5%
B
29,531 votes
6.1%
C
21,274 votes
14%
D
48,376 votes
39.1%
F
135,250 votes
This is Obamas ratings from a MSNBC poll. It is intersting that a left wing news media would even show this.
Posted by: billy bob | April 30, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am
By comparison, Biden makes Dan Quayle look perfectly brilliant.
Posted by: workerdroid | April 30, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Bush had Cheney and now Obama has Biden. I’ll bet he regrets having him as V.P. for sure now.
Posted by: James | April 30, 2009, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Lorilyn, so you’re a scientist? The normal flu season kills an average of 36,000 people in this country every year. It kills 250,000 to 500,000 worldwide EVERY YEAR. Do they shut down schools and stop traveling? This would be a good time however, to push for making the border more secure. But that should be done with or without a pandemic.
Posted by: GK_1970 | April 30, 2009, 11:05 am 11:05 am
As much as Joey boy is known for gaffes…I have to agree, he was asked what he would do. I am trying to limit my chance of exposure by staying home as much as possible. It just doesn’t seem that this is “nothing”. And to have WH suddenly try to downplay it makes me think I smell a mouse.
Posted by: CG | April 30, 2009, 11:05 am 11:05 am
You know, when it would have actually been useful to close the border –That’s the whole point, isn’t it? The first alarm bells that there WAS something going on was from some nurse in a private NY school who, after break, had a line of kids outside her door with high fevers. She was interviewed on NPR yesterday. Some folks are calling her the unsung hero in all this, because she recognized ,incredibly early, that something was different about this. She called the CDC and said she had an inordinate amount of kids who were sick, very sick, and they all had one thing in common, they had been in Mexico, or had very close contact with someone who was in Mexico last week. She sent off samples to the CDC and they tested them and confirmed it WAS H1N1 and the CDC flew right in and got to the houses of those kids, tested their families, decontaminated the school, handed out tamiflu to whomever may have been exposed and shut it down very quickly. That nurse is the reason why there aren’t 500 cases in NY right now. So it was discovered HERE! Now everyone is screened at the border. So the LEGAL border is not the problem, as the CDC is very strict with whomever comes over now. I’d say the pourous border whom nobody checks, is what is at risk to us now, though all of Mexico had hunkered down and is immobile so hopefully, nobody is moving around much anymore down there.
Posted by: Peter | April 30, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Mr. Biden only articulated what many are feeling anyway. Although, given the effects his comments might have upon the travel industry and how mass transporation is suffering right now–it wasn’t too smart to say such a thing to national media. Oh well Joe… “and this too shall pass…”
Posted by: FS | April 30, 2009, 11:09 am 11:09 am
When this is over, I think someone should hand out an ‘outstanding citizen’ award to that nurse.
Posted by: Peter | April 30, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Peter:” She sent off samples to the CDC and they tested them and confirmed it WAS H1N1 and the CDC flew right in and got to the houses of those kids, tested their families, decontaminated the school, handed out tamiflu to whomever may have been exposed and shut it down very quickly. … Now everyone is screened at the border.”
That sounds to me like the US dealing with it quite well. I’m not really sure why you think they suddenly went stupid and screwed up the decision on whether or not to attempt and unprecedented (in my lifetime) effort to close the border.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am
The travel industry doesn’t need to worry about his comments in my opinion. Does anybody care what Joe Biden thinks?
Posted by: GK_1970 | April 30, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am
In this Panic, no where does it say if you contract the H1N1 virus you will die, or did I miss something? The flu is the flu. You get sick and take care of it. You don’t have to die! Stay in bed, take aspirin, keep the fever down, drink plenty of liquids. That’s if you even get a flu. Look at the mortality rate. It is no different than any other flu virus contracted. The ration is low and of all the millions of people that contract a flu virus about 3,900 people die from flu symptoms. They are usually the young or the elderly. For a country that is so concerned over living and panicking over a flu virus we don’t care about life anywhere else. I mean I read over and over again to bomb Iraq and Afghanistan, torture is legal, the bad people need to suffer not us. Who are we really?
Posted by: clancy49 | April 30, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am
For those of you who are agree with VP Biden, you might want to rethink as the White House will throw you under the bus when they announce Mr. Biden overstated their position.
Posted by: Bassman | April 30, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Pretty funny can doers. You have what you all keep complaining about’ your own Bush or Dan Quale? even John Kerry. These guys are lifers that are just programed to speak.
I wonder how the new dictator who says he does not want to control the auto or bank industry but tells the ceo’s to step down (controls) will take to spank ole Bidon?
Posted by: Jim Rod | April 30, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Peter:”When this is over, I think someone should hand out an ‘outstanding citizen’ award to that nurse. ”
Contact your Congresscritter and ask that a resolution for a Congressional Medal be drafted. Certainly a Congressional Silver Medal would seem to be appropriate(the first recipient of such an award was General Charles “Chuck” Yeager), and it just may be the sort of bipartisan honor that Congress could get behind right now. An argument could be made for a Gold Medal too, but that is a justifiably higher bar.
On the Presidential side, a Presidential Citizens Medal could also be an appropriate honor path to use.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am
I think VP Biden is a genuinely funny person and I enjoy listening to him. He just isn’t good at the PC thing, which makes him endearing to me when we have so many politicians that can BS everyone without pause. Maybe this natural honesty of Joe’s is why he seems to be so well liked on both sides of the aisle in Congress.
Posted by: Dixiesland | April 30, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
jhw539: You should ask that question to your president, Mr. Obama. You should ask him why he had not done a better job to monitor the situation in Mexico and why he had not taken earlier preventive measures to protect America. As we are talking about this crisis at this time, it’s still not too late to close the borders. Closing the borders will slow down the spread of the virus although it won’t stop it. This will give more time to our scientists and researchers to develop the vaccine that will eventually stop the spread. Without any border control, you will see the number of cases in the US rise exponentially and more Amaericans get killed before this pandemic is finally under control.
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am
” Look at the mortality rate. It is no different than any other flu virus contracted.”–yes it is, doofus. how do we get this far into it and you dont know that? If you are under 30, it can be lethal and the reason why Americans are not dying from this is that they are getting Tamiflu, an antiviral. If you try to sit this one out at home, you may die. The big difference between Mexico and the US is medication. The nurse who recognized this may well have saved those kids lives. Tamiflu only works in the first day or so of exhibiting symptoms. If someone gets a fever, get checked immediately and yes, there is a very probably that you’ll survive. Wait three days while your lungs fill with fluid, and tamiflu will not be able to help you, you may die.
Posted by: frank | April 30, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Lorilyn, the Spanish Flu killed 25 million in the first 25 weeks according to estimated statistics. That’s 1 million per week. What are we at, somewhere between 7 and 152 depending on if you ask WHO or the Mexican government, ha ha.
Posted by: GK_1970 | April 30, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Does this guy even have a brain? Or is his mouth so big that it has “flown” out through it? What world does he live in that he not realize that not only is his foot always in his mouth but he deserves his foot to be perpetually stuck in it so that he can open it any further!
Posted by: Karen | April 30, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am
That sounds to me like the US dealing with it quite well. I’m not really sure why you think they suddenly went stupid and screwed up the decision on whether or not to attempt and unprecedented (in my lifetime) effort to close the border. –I dont. I keep wondering why you think I am of that opinion. Is there another “peter” on here? IT is a common name.
Posted by: Peter | April 30, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
You are saying such negative comments about Joe Biden, but did you ever stop once and think that he is the only one basically telling people how serious this really is. He is telling people to stay away from mass transit, airplane’s and any other confined places, Where as the president is trying to down play this. The vice president has always been known not to suger coat anything and that is what he is about, he is telling the American People just as he himself has told his own family, and for the record Biden always used mass transit everyday prior to becoming the vice president. These government agencies are not going to tell people how truly serious this may become because they dont want to cause mass panic, bottom line is you have to do what’s best for yourself and your family because ultimately you yourself have to live with all your decisions, and regardless of what goes on with this, you can bet on one thing, the president, vice president and all government officials will surely be much more protected against this and anything else far more then what we the american people will ever be.
Posted by: Michelle | April 30, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
The government HAS told us that in the event of a pandemic, they will probably not be of much help because it would be overwhelming at the federal and state levels.
So it is now a serious threat, and one that is bound to get worse.
One million people go through the U.S./Mexico borders EVERY single DAY. And you’re telling the government to close them? Or to stop each person to see if they have a fever? I don’t think so.
It’s an overwhelming issue and impossible to contain that many people.
I’d like to see the reporters and citizens stop grousing about border closings and start asking about mitigation — how to stop or minimize what is already here.
At some point, it will be isolation. At what point will that be? (Mexico is at that point.)
It’s a serious issue. Making fun of Biden for saying he’d tell his kids to not get on a plane is ignorant.
The quote below is from the U.S. gov’t site regarding pandemic planning
“If efforts to contain isolated outbreaks within the U.S. were unsuccessful and influenza spread quickly to affect many more communities either simultaneously or in quick succession—the hallmark of a pandemic—response assets at all levels of government and the private sector would be taxed severely.
“Communities would need to direct all their influenza response assets to their own needs and would have little to spare for the needs of others. Moreover, as the number of affected communities grows, their collective need would spread the response assets of states and the federal government ever thinner.
“In the extreme, until a vaccine against the pandemic virus would become available in sufficient quantity to have a significant impact on protecting public health, thousands of communities could be countering influenza simultaneously with little or no assistance from adjacent communities, the state, or the federal government. Preparedness planning for pandemic influenza response must take this prospect into account.”
Posted by: Lorilyn | April 30, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Closing the boarder with Mexico would be very easy.
On the border, warning signs.
Behind that, automated guns. Similar to the Phalanx CIWS. Overlapping fire patterns.
Problem solved.
Posted by: Tag | April 30, 2009, 11:25 am 11:25 am
This is hilarious. Liberals are now attacking their VP! Obama, your days are numbered!
Posted by: SureEnough08 | April 30, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am
You should ask him why he had not done a better job to monitor the situation in Mexico and why he had not taken earlier preventive measures to protect America. As we are talking about this crisis at this time, it’s still not too late to close the borders. — I think if he sees it actually continuing to spread here, he will. Obama is not only dealing with a pandemic, he is dealing with a faltering economy. NOw is not a great time to do something devistating to the economy. Obviously he is not shutting the boarder for economic reasons. All the while, however, he is obviously watching to see if the cases in those border states go up. If they rise, I’m sure he will. If they rise, and we lose control of this, there will always be the criticism out there that we did not close the border sooner. This is why being president is hard. This is a tough decision. If you lose your job becuase he closes the border, would you support it still????? If the pandemic never materializes??? no. Then you’ll be mad he overreacted. It’s always easy to be critical when you’re not in the hot seat. I just thank God we have an intelligent president. At least we know whatever decision is being made is being made by a smart thoughtful man.
Posted by: Peter | April 30, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Oh look, a bunch of comments.
I bet if I scroll down through them I find the usual appologists making excuses for Joe’s stupidity….
Posted by: Angie | Apr 30, 2009 10:31:38 AM
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Left hand Biden. Right hand Cheney. This one is a no brainer.
Posted by: FedUp | April 30, 2009, 11:29 am 11:29 am
I SUPPORT BIDEN!!! BIDEN IS TELLING THE TRUTH!!! WHEN A MAN TELLS THE TRUTH YOU DONT CRITICIZE HIM BECAUSE YOU DONT WANT TO HEAR IT…YEAH, ITS GOING TO BE TOUGH ON EVERYONE AND WE KNOW THAT, BUT WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE THE MAN SAY? WOULD YOU HAVE THE MAN LIE? HE TOLD THE TRUTH…YOU HAVE TO CUT DOWN ON SOCIALIZING..I HAVE ASKED THAT OF MY OWN KIDS…WHAT WILL DO IT DO IF THEY BRING THE VIRUS HOME AND THEIR GRANDMOTHER FOR EXAMPLE FAILS? ITS THAT DANGEROUS! IN THE END WE HAVE TO CUT DOWN OUR EXPOSURE TO EASE THE LIKELIHOOD OF GETTING THE DISEASE. BIDEN TOLD THE TRUTH!!!! PERIOD
Posted by: wa | April 30, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
This is hilarious. Liberals are now attacking their VP! Obama, your days are numbered!
Posted by: SureEnough08 | April 30, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am
“Liberals are now attacking their VP”–well, liberals have always judged things as they are. They do not sit around in denial because someone is a democrat and fall lock in step. It’s funny that you think find that a sign of weakness. 50% of the county thinks we are headed in the right direction. That is astounding considering at the end of Bush’s term it was 8%. When you consider the 20% who are simply, not sure, it’s pretty clear the country is pretty pleased with Obama.
Posted by: just sayn | April 30, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
clancy49, You partially right as far as showing
the symptoms of a regular flu but,with this strand
of virus the CDC informed us that there are very
limited, if any antibiotics used to treat this.
They are still trying to figure out why it took so
long for the deaths to start showing up here in the
U.S.. One rational is that prior to this outbreak,
hospitals were not required to trace this particular
virus. They are now retesting the samples of
people who came in with the flu symptoms to see
if it was a match. I wouldn’t be surprised that
more are now being reported due to this.
Posted by: spacerook1 | April 30, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
I’m really tired of folks slamming our VP. He’s a good man, who, thankfully, isn’t afraid to just be himself. His comments are candid, honest, and quite frankly to be heeded.
I love my VP!
Posted by: Candy | April 30, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
This is hilarious. Liberals are now attacking their VP! Obama, your days are numbered!
Posted by: SureEnough08 | Apr 30, 2009 11:26:30 AM
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Honey, it’s called critical and logical thinking. And now that you mention it? This is the biggest thing lacking on the far side of right anymore. He did indeed step in it today with this one. We’re not inclined to take up for stupidity like your side does.
Posted by: FedUp | April 30, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
I was watching it with my wife and we both looked at each other and said the VP’s assistants must be scrambling RIGHT NOW to put out a retraction ….
Funny stuff… Biden flubs again.
Posted by: Gauston in DC | April 30, 2009, 11:34 am 11:34 am
“One million people go through the U.S./Mexico borders EVERY single DAY. And you’re telling the government to close them? Or to stop each person to see if they have a fever? I don’t think so.” Where did you get that statistic? Are you just throwing out some arbitary number to exagerate your point?
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
DelegateMath:”You should ask that question to your president, Mr. Obama.”
President Obama’s administration has laid out a very clear, rational explanation for his actions and position on this matter. It has also been publicly supported by politicians across the aisle, including Dr. Ron Paul.
I have seen no rational support for your “WE NEED TO PANIC!!1!!!!” In 1976, President Johnson took your advice and launched a massive swine flu vaccination program in response to a death from it at Fort Dix (a private who died during strenuous exercise while he had the flu). At the end of the year, over 400 people died FROM THE VACCINATION before the program was called off. Only one ever died of the flu.
If your irrational panic becomes policy, more people are likely to die.
President Obama and Dr. Ron Paul have both eloquently provided supporting evidence and arguments for the current course of action. What is your supporting evidence for ‘panic!’?
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
“One million people go through the U.S./Mexico borders EVERY single DAY. And you’re telling the government to close them? Or to stop each person to see if they have a fever? I don’t think so.”********************************************
Where did you get that statistic? Are you just throwing out some arbitary number to exagerate your point?
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 11:35 am 11:35 am
It’s just the flu, no more or less serious healthwise. Avoid it if you can, and if not, oh well, feel better in a few days. Has anyone besides me noticed a sharp upturn in the really ignorant, hateful posts on here recently? Is this the new Republican strategy to try and sway public opinion, which is, to their endless chagrin, largely favorable to President Obama? Just unleash a bunch of paid or volunteer ignoramuses (ignorami? no lol) on the news sites and ask them to just keep posting negative statements that have nothing to do with the actual articles? I like to discuss differences of opinion, but not with people who just want another opportunity to inject pointless insult and slander the truth.
Posted by: iamwomaninMI | April 30, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Wouldnt riding on Obama’s futuristic ‘green trains’ help the spread of swine flu? LOL. If your kids are sick dont send your kids to school or if youre sick go to work, but lets not close the Mexican border its ‘too late’ to stop the spread of the pandemic THAT way??? Did Obama really say this or was I dreaming? If you just got over being sick with swine flu arent you still carrying the germs a little? Wouldnt it make more sense to stop the influx of thousands of Mexican immigrants at the border daily who are potentially infected by closing it temporarily even? Obama cant stop swine flu from spreading any more than he can stop GM or a bank from lying about how much money they made. When he said ‘he doesnt want to run auto companies’ what he meant was “i cant control or regulate private industry’. His solution like many poor managers is to simply throw money at the problem. This is a band aid at best on a hemmorage and almost never works.
Posted by: omgnoway | April 30, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am
“Say it ain’t so Joe”!!!!! Once again FOOT IN MOUTH disease!!!
Posted by: jill | April 30, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am
DelegateMath:”"One million people go through the U.S./Mexico borders EVERY single DAY.”
Where did you get that statistic? Are you just throwing out some arbitary number to exagerate your point?”
Funny to see you questioning other people’s pretty common knowledge facts. You should google up the Buearu of Transportation statistics. They only have 2003 out as a report, but with 193 million people crossing in private cars, another 4 million on buses, 49 million on foot, 4 million trucks, plus boats, trains and planes – I think 1 million a day sounds about right. And I think you, typical of a one promoting panic, really have absolutely no grasp of the reality of this matter.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Does this site have anything to do with the swine flu? It seems like there’s another election going on here. What about the people who are sick? What about those who are afraid to get sick?
Posted by: Jessica | April 30, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am
VP Biden is completely correct. The prudent thing to do right now, if you really don’t want to get H1N1, is to limit public contact. He also prefaced his comment with the caveat that this “just him” and what he was recommending to his family, which is his right as a free American, correct? I have also been limiting my contact with the public by not taking my usual bus but driving to work, because I really do not want to get H1N1.
Posted by: Julie | April 30, 2009, 11:48 am 11:48 am
jhw539: “Panic” is your word. It’s not mine. Keep it for yourself. What I am saying is about common sense. It’s about scientific logic. What the hell is this Dr. Ron Paul? Let him come up here to explain to us why he is willing to shut down the schools here but not willing to shut the non-essential travels to Mexico. Why is it so hard to ban travels to Mexico? Why do you call this a panic while closing the schools are OK with you? What are you going to do next? You want to shut down all the public transportations in this country, all the shopping malls and all the theaters. Make some common sense. Some other countries are doing it now. If you don’t get this thing under control, sooner or later, other countries are going to close their borders on US.
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
I for one would NOT travel if I did not have to.Especially to Mexico.. We NEED to close the border, I don’t care if they say it is already here. There has only been 1 documented death, and that was of a child FROM MEXICO visiting!! Mark my words, Canada will be smart and close theirs!
Posted by: SISTERSEVEN | April 30, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am
jhw539: Give me the official website about this statistic. I’m interested in confirming it.
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am
At least Biden is alive and has independent thoughts. Our clown president is so scripted and managed that he can’t go to the bathroom without a teleprompter and aide. It’s common sense – swine flu or cold season. Why would you get on a bus, train or plane full of coughing, sick people. That’s how we spread TB out here in San Francisco.
Posted by: Rob Murph44 | April 30, 2009, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Funny thing is, Biden looks like a genius compared to our last VP
Posted by: Logan | April 30, 2009, 11:54 am 11:54 am
DelegateMath:”"One million people go through the U.S./Mexico borders EVERY single DAY.”
Where did you get that statistic? Are you just throwing out some arbitary number to exagerate your point?”…..
Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 30, 2009 11:42:01 AM
According to Wiki…it’s actually about 4 million.
Posted by: Devil_Mutt | April 30, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am
It continues to amaze me how many people are so poorly informed. This flu is NOT the same as ordinary flu. It is far MORE dangerous. It can kill a percentage of young healthy people if left untreated. It is similar to the bird flu which killed approximately 8% of victims in 2002. The fact that Biden would dare to offer more conservative preventative advise is barely newsworthy. Biden speaks freely.
Posted by: davej | April 30, 2009, 11:56 am 11:56 am
This is so funny! I can just imagine Obama shuddering anytime Biden gets near a microphone or the news media (and it’s not because Obama has a cold or fever!).
Biden is such a clown! That’s it Joe – in these tough times keep us laughing!
Posted by: LMG | April 30, 2009, 11:56 am 11:56 am
SISTERSEVEN – I lived in Totonto during SARS. They never closed their boarder.
Posted by: FedUp | April 30, 2009, 11:57 am 11:57 am
DelegateMath: “What the hell is this Dr. Ron Paul?”
A medical professional who also happens to be a far right conservative Congressman who ran for president last year. I’m surprised you haven’t heard of him.
“Why is it so hard to ban travels to Mexico?”
It would be a massive economic and social lockdown. It would likely require deployment of the National Guard to enforce due to the numbers and area involved.
“Why do you call this a panic while closing the schools are OK with you?”
Closing schools in areas effected is a well proven method of limiting disease and a prudent measure. Schools are also closed due to weather, and actually have week long vacations during the normal flu season that are well regarded as a way to break flu transmission.
” You want to shut down all the public transportations in this country, all the shopping malls and all the theaters.”
No, I NEVER suggested such a thing – could you cite who has? At this point, that would be a radical over reaction.
“Make some common sense. Some other countries are doing it now. If you don’t get this thing under control, sooner or later, other countries are going to close their borders on US.”
NAME THE COUNTRIES THAT ARE “DOING IT NOW” – WHO HAS CLOSED BORDERS WITH MEXICO? You’re not just making up exaggerated facts to support your irrational and unsupportable hysteria are you? Which countries are “doing it now?”
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Biden is giving great frank advice! Now, if the globalists could consider closing some borders that would be sane too. Of course, we are all one big global system and all at risk. Political correctness can be dangerous to society.
Posted by: Jablabla | April 30, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Biden’s commentary seems to be such a minor technicality as to make it hardly worth making such a fuss about. However, people seem to want to panic about something. One would think that every square inch of the entire country of Mexico was a seething hotbed of virus’s.
Posted by: KsDevil | April 30, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
I think Obama should either muzzle him or loan him his teleprompter. After all our illustrious leader can’t say hi without checking the teleprompter first. As a matter of fact I think he sleeps with it and it should be called the teleblankee!!!!! So Biden get your own teleblankee!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO over change
Posted by: lovingpolitics | April 30, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
davej: Last year, the “normal” flu killed over 30,000 people in the US alone. So far, this flu has killed less than 300 World Wide. The reason they are so worried about this strain is because it is virulent and the “season” is early.
Posted by: Tyrone | April 30, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
The only reason to shut down a border is to prevent the spread to this country. News flash…it’s already here. Shutting down now would do no good.
BTW…one death in the US from this and everyone is panicing. We have 81 deaths every day from guns and no one blinks an eye. I guess it’s ok to die from a gun but if it’s a virus…watch out.
Posted by: Devil_Mutt | April 30, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
DelegateMath:”Give me the official website about this statistic. I’m interested in confirming it.”
Links are not allowed and get taken down quickly. I’m surprised you didn’t understand what “You should google up the Buearu of Transportation statistics” suggested and find it yourself. It’s really not that hard – look in the international transportation link off the front page.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 30, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
“I bet if I scroll down through them I find the usual appologists making excuses for Joe’s stupidity….”
Maybe you could explain why you think what he said is stupid???
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
IF YOU HAD CHILDREN WHAT WOULD YOU ADVISE THEM? THAT THEY GO AROUND SHAKING HANDS WITH EVERYONE THEY MEET, THAT THEY GO TO LARGE SOCIAL EVENTS WHERE IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT THEY WILL CONTRACT THE DISEASE? WOULDNT YOU TELL THEM TO BE CAREFUL AND BE *************CONSERVATIVE(WHAT THAT WORD ONCE MEANT BEFORE IT WAS USURPED BY THE NUTS ON THE EXTREME RIGHT)************ IN THEIR BEHAVIOR? SO THATS EXACTLY WHAT BIDEN JUST DID, HE GAVE US THE ADVICE HE WOULD GIVE HIS CHILDREN. WHAT ELSE IS THERE TO SAY?
Posted by: wa | April 30, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
I think Obama should either muzzle him or loan him his teleprompter. After all our illustrious leader can’t say hi without checking the teleprompter first. As a matter of fact I think he sleeps with it and it should be called the teleblankee!!!!! So Biden get your own teleblankee!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO over change
Posted by: lovingpolitic
You do understand that he uses the teleprompter for speaches only. Last night and on every other town hall meeting or press questioning…he relies on his knowledge. Your statement is inacurate.
Posted by: Devil_Mutt | April 30, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
I have little use for Vice-Pres. Biden other then as a stand-up comedian. However, it is curious that the one time he gives sound, practical, accurate, common-sense advice, he’s ridiculed for it. Simply because he’s a little at odds with some of the yuks the other half of his comedic team has espoused ! !
Posted by: AlchyDave25 | April 30, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
People are so stupid and irritating.
I guess no one here has ever misspoken before eh? Actually ,Biden was just speaking his mind ,which can sometimes get anyone into a fix , especially when every syllable is gone over ad infinitum with a fine tooth comb ,looking for the slightest overt/covert flaws or errors .
Leave the guy alone ,he’s human. He’s a real character too. He shoots from the hip ,and is somewhat inaccurate at times,so what? Jeez…
Posted by: Shut Up | April 30, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
“You do understand that he uses the teleprompter for speaches only. Last night and on every other town hall meeting or press questioning…he relies on his knowledge. Your statement is inacurate.”
He doesn’t “understand” anything at all. He just follows his own teleprompter (Limbaugh). That’s it. No thought.
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
I would tell my kids and friends the same thing. What is the big deal. Only if you have oatmeal for brains would you NOT know that traveling cooped up in a confined place is not the best thing when there is swine flu loose. What this yapping about is MONEY. The travel industry is afraid of losing money IF people don’t travel as much as they think they should. I think Biden should be left alone. They asked what he thought, and he told them, rather than some rehearsed remarks to try and make everyone happy. Haven’t we had enough of this the last eight years? Go, Joe. Some of us do appreciate your common sense thinking.
Posted by: profm2 | April 30, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
jhw539: I’ve decided long time ago that I’m not going to waste my valuable time to research into some thing that some one arbitrarily throw up on the internet which might turn out to be just some garbage. I believe that any one who throws up any numbers here is responsible for citing the source for the numbers. That’s why I don’t normally throw any numbers unless I have a good source of backing it up.
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
In comparison to Joe, Sarah Palin looks like a Rhodes Scholar. An embarrassment since the campaign started, and it’s gotten worse.
Posted by: Greg | April 30, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
barack’s grades from msnbc.com poll
32.2%
A
111,590 votes
8.5%
B
29,531 votes
6.1%
C
21,274 votes
14%
D
48,376 votes
39.1%
F
135,250 votes
Posted by: former BO supporter | April 30, 2009, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
Do you think Obama was thinking about the flu when he did the “bro” handshake with Chavez?
Posted by: LongT | April 30, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
former BO supporter :
”
sr: did you go to the website”number” and read it. 39.1% give him an “f” and 14% give him a “d” on a left website. It is not scientific agreed but it is interesting.
”
Where I come from “D” is a bad grade not a fail. But the real point is that you need to look at Gallup or another scientific poll for the numbers to be interesting. Use credible numbers and we can have a meaningful conversation, otherwise it is just sensationalism.
Posted by: SR | April 30, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Well, he felt compelled to plagerize in school. That speaks volumes! Only Ted Kennedy was a worse offender. Got kicked out of Harvard for it.
Posted by: LongT | April 30, 2009, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
Heard the cutest joke from my daughter just now: There was always talk that this nation would have a black President when pigs learned to fly. And 100 days in, sure enough, swine flu!
Hope no one is offended, no insult intended to anyone.
Posted by: iamwomaninMI | April 30, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Ok ,that’s it. Republicans are on ignore from now until they come up with something intelligent and meaningful to bring to the discussion ,which doesn’t look likely in the near term .
WHO CARES WHAT JOE BIDEN SAID ABOUT THE FLU? I CARE ABOUT THE RUINED ECONOMY AND THE HOW/WHY/WHO/WHEN ETC THAT APPLIES TO THAT SITUATION SPECIFICALLY (among other cogent pressing issues at hand)
Stay on topic, was Biden at the wheel for the past 8 years ? Who was doing what? One thing I am sure of ,it wasn’t Joe Biden that ran this country into the ditch ,I am just glad he is there trying to fix this train wreck of a nation the Republicans and their conniving agenda have left us all.
Posted by: WHO CARES? | April 30, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
SR; Yeah, a D is not a failing grade, but you won’t graduate with less than a 2.0. Understand? The dumbing down of America is in full swing!
Posted by: LongT | April 30, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Why is a person not allowed to give his or her own opinion anymore? Would people rather hear official statements only?
Posted by: aklein | April 30, 2009, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
sr: I’m glad that you think a “D” is a ok grade for BO.
Posted by: former BO supporter | April 30, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Citing an unscientific poll where you sat there all day selecting ‘F’ doesn’t say anything.
Posted by: Muslim With Pig Flu | April 30, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
I agreed with VP who spoke the truth and not being political correct. WH claim they need change, right! I would like the admin to tell the truth and not to “clarify”, window dressing!
Posted by: bojbb | April 30, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm
rasmussen polling reports that 53% of people think next president will be republican, this is after 100 days. this is not good for DEms
Posted by: former BO supporter | April 30, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
We are not even screening people getting off planes from mexico.
All people that are flying in from mexico should be screened.
This is common sense.
Biden is right that planes can spread the flu among the passangers.
That is why it is so important to screen all the passengers from planes from mexico.
But this administration is very liberal and will not even screen passengers from mexico because that wouldn’t be politcally correct.
There is a difference between shutting the border and having doctors screen returning passengers from mexico.
Posted by: Jason | April 30, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Republicans don’t appreciate honesty, Joe!!!
Posted by: Silky | Apr 30, 2009 9:34:11 AM
Silky,
I believe it was the Democrats who didn’t appreciate what he said or they wouldn’t have tried to cover for him.
Posted by: Fiveftfury | April 30, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
At about 5:15 on the tape Joe Biden refers to the Pennsylvania DEMOCRAT party leaving Arlen Spector behind.
I’m sure he meant to say REPUBLICAN.
Posted by: mad | April 30, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
former BO supporter ”
SR; Yeah, a D is not a failing grade, but you won’t graduate with less than a 2.0. Understand? The dumbing down of America is in full swing!
”
I understand perfectly well. You said ‘fail’ and I thought you meant what you said. I don’t want to get into a big argument about this, but I suggest you use credible numbers because it will add much more credibility to the point you are trying to make. Why not go to a scientific and reliable survey web source and post the numbers – there are many to choose from (yougov, gallup, etc). If the numbers are very negative for Obama – then fine.
Posted by: SR | April 30, 2009, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Mom only had to tell us once about Crazy Joe: “Just be polite and go about your business. He’s harmless.”
A daily walk home from school put us in front of Boom-Boom’s Tavern in about 15 minutes, and Joe was always there to greet us: “You know, it’s a fact that if you DO step on a crack, your mother WILL break her back!” Dipping into a colorful palette of experience and perceptions, Joe always came up with unsolicited advice and admonishments for all of us heading home.
Every City Council meeting saw Crazy Joe standing up, insisting that a plethora of water fountains and park benches be scattered along the town’s two main streets — Especially needed was one of each in front of Boom-Boom’s Tavern.
Since those days , our small town has gotten a little bigger and Crazy Joe is long gone — but his spirit is alive and well in our Vice President. And I now wonder why Crazy Joe didn’t run for City Council back then – Gosh, he coulda’ even been Mayor.
Posted by: Citizen_Alerted | April 30, 2009, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
All vectors are open…except Fort Worth Idependent School District and a few isolated schools. Soon all vectors ( grocery stores et cetera ) will be closed – see Mexico.
Posted by: Hiram Abiff | April 30, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Yes, Joe Biden did say statements were his opinion and his advice for his family only. Medical Research substantiates he is quite correct. Confined spaces are a problem.
Why the big scare now? Medical Community of experts do not have extensive knowledge about this H1N1 Virus, no vaccine available, and the death count in Mexico, etc. I live in California and multiple schools are closed for exactly VP Bidens same reason. No one knows how serious virus will be. Extreme caution is being taken all across the world. Mexico has now recommended all businesses to close in attempt to halt spread. Recommendations to all Mexican residents to avoid people congested areas.
VP Biden is quite correct when he states presence in confined spaces containing many people exposes a person more to this virus if unknowingly is present, and increases the risk to become ill themselves.
VP Biden is just being careful regarding his family. People have no way of knowing if all travelers are healthy, or in a contagious stage. Some people still ignore health alerts.
Unfortunately all news media are jumping on “stay out of public transit or other travel venues.” His very strongly said this statement he made is “his” personal opinion regarding family only.
I see no problem with VP Biden’s statement. His statement is an “at present” a good cautious common sense personal opinion for himself and his family.
Once we have more knowledge about this virus, then more expert medically appropriate care and advice will be implemented. There is a possibility it will be no different than the common flu viruses we normally see. Medical high caution is now present.
Posted by: Sharon | April 30, 2009, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
People are getting seriously sick from a flue that spreads rapidly throughout the body to the point of making people physically unable to move or even unable to open their eyes. The numbers of death are low in the USA. It could be because we do get our flue shots although not every single year. Common sense meassures are important to maintain. This flue attacks the entire body, and the bones. Would I ride in an airplane now? Not without a mask, a sanitizer, antibacterial wipes. definately wear my glasses, the eyes need protection. Would I ride in a subway now? Only if I wore a mask and opened all the windows and carried my bottle sanitizer and antibacterial sheets. Am I over reacting? I live in one of the south west border states. A few of our schools have been closed and we do have quite a few cases in our state. I don’t care what you think, but So far, knock on wood after sanitizing it, I am not coughing yet.
Posted by: meredith | April 30, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
“Singapore’s Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew told the Straits Times that Singaporeans returning from Mexico would be quarantined. “
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Biden is for shutting school classrooms down but is against stopping flights from mexico.
Last week U.S should have told american citizens living in mexico they have one week to return home.
Last week our government should have stopped all non american citizens from flying into u.s from mexico.
There should be a travel ban on flights from mexico.
Almost all the people that have this are catching it from having traveled to mexico and they spread it further in the u.s.
Allowing these flights to continue only spreads the virus to more people in america.
Obama says the barn door is open but he is opening it even more by having napalitano have this passive screening.
So Joe Biden is getting praised for saying stop having our children in classrooms but continue the flights from mexico.
The flights from mexico are very damaging.
Airplanes are the worst thing to be on and the people in mexico coming on the planes to the u.s are spreading it from person to person on the plane.
Biden says it makes no difference to stop the planes from mexico but it does.
Those planes from mexico are spreading the flu.
Many people that have the flu in the u.s were on the same flights.
We are fortunate this didn’t happen during spring break.
Posted by: James | April 30, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
“Fear and skepticism on the streets of Mexico have led to panic buying and deep suspicions about the government.”
Posted by: DelegateMath | April 30, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Let me guess, Obama is “furious” with Biden! I’ve heard it all before. Kind of gets old.
Posted by: Pwt | April 30, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
First Biden tells everyone that something “big” will happen in Obama’s first 100 days – now he is saying people shouldn’t use mass transit – maybe he is “predicting” the future again.
Posted by: ny | April 30, 2009, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
“rasmussen polling reports that 53% of people think next president will be republican, this is after 100 days. this is not good for DEms
Posted by: former BO supporter ”
If you’re quoting Rasmussen polling, you obviously were never a BO supporter. Their samples are always skewed to the right from every other sampling.
Posted by: Silky | April 30, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
“Ok ,that’s it. Republicans are on ignore from now until they come up with something intelligent and meaningful to bring to the discussion ,which doesn’t look likely in the near term .”
Posted by: WHO CARES?
Why bring the Republicans into this? They didn’t force Biden to make his comments and they’ve remained mostly quiet on the issue. It’s the DEMOCRATS who are criticizing one of their own.
It’s attitudes like this, posted by people who have no interest in the facts, that are driving this country into a pit of despair!
Posted by: FYI | April 30, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Quick Joe.. Run for Cheney’s secret hiding spot…
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | April 30, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA GOOD ONE JOE, you managed to kill an entire industry with one or two sentences out of you mouth. Can you Imagine if he were to become president?????? Hello WW111.
Posted by: billy bob | April 30, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
I can’t help but think, when the vice president – a person who has access to top secret information – says he’s advising his family not to travel on airplanes and subways, that he must know something we little folk don’t know. Even health officials are saying it’s safe to fly …. so is this a “misspeak” or a warning?
Posted by: Mumsie | April 30, 2009, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
VP Biden was asked a question and he answered it.
And his answer was right on target…so everyone, please stop making something out of nothing.
Posted by: jillian | April 30, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
I agree with Biden, just because he’s a political figure doesn’t mean he’s not human. I want safety for my family also. So, I personally think people need to stop pushing all of this.
Posted by: holly | April 30, 2009, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
I can’t wait for the government to run our health care system. “Don’t worry- it’s not a problem. You don’t need to see a doctor. It’s just a little level 5 pandemic.”
Posted by: Lily | April 30, 2009, 10:05 pm 10:05 pm
Bidens answer was truthful and correct. For those of you that dispute his wisdom I hope you enjoy your dirt nap.
Posted by: No body's fool | April 30, 2009, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
What else are you telling your family Joe, buy a foreign made car – they’re better quality? Joe Foot-In-Mouth Biden, what a kidder.
Posted by: Todd | May 1, 2009, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Those who dispute or deride Biden for his comments are very simply – incorrect. What he said is what the CDC recommends – “AVOID CLOSE PERSONAL CONTACT”. Whether you exhibit symptoms or not, you can spread virus via the air – THE INCUBATION PERIOD IS TWO DAYS – meaning someone can have it and not be aware they have it – AND BE SITTING IN THE SEAT NEXT TO YOU ON THE PLANE AND COUGH OR SNEEZE EMITTING AIRBORNE DROPLETS CONTAINING THE VIRUS THAT YOU BREATH IN. That’s how colds and influenza spread. Why is this so difficult for people to understand – and why is JB being crucified? Has America dumbed down that much?
Posted by: SC | May 1, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
im so scared, im only 12 and i have got everything, hand gel, mask…
someone do something!!!
Posted by: annoymous | May 6, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Why not simply adopt the practice that the Japanese have done? They have mass transit systems that are far superior to any region in the US, as do most nations in the world, btw. They use common sense, if you feel like you may have a cold or flu, you wear a face mask.period. Now that the new flu season is upon us, this is the kind of advice that could really help. Domo Arigato.
Posted by: Tuvok | October 8, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm