Legislature, Not Court, Brings Gay Marriage to Vt.

This is exactly how a republican naysayer should be treated.
VETO THIS MR GOVERNOR , YOU ARE OVERRULED!

The closest thing to a poll I’ve seen on this issue in Vermont is the Doyle Poll, and it showed a 53% to 38% majority in favor of same sex marriage in Vermont. They’ve already had civil unions for almost a decade, so anyone thinking this is going to result in a voter revolt is delusional.
Personally, I think the government should approve same-sex marriage – it’s just paperwork and it is good for societal structures overall. I view real marriage as a sacrament recognized by my church, and it is under no threat whatsoever from this.

“Does anyone realize or care that these people, gays and the lawmakers that rule in their favor, are going straight to hell.”
I don’t know, but I guess they’ll see haters like you there.

It will be interesting to watch and see if the conservatives try anything to override the peoples will. Are they going to use the federal courts to overturn the legislatures? Conservatives usually preach about state rights until those states disagree with conservative views.

Last time I checked hell was a city in Michigan.

GO VERMONT! WAY TO GO VERMONT LEGISLATURE!

American marriage is chiefly regulated by the states, not by a church or a specific religious belief. The Supreme Court has held that states are permitted to reasonably regulate the institution of marriage by prescribing WHO is allowed to marry, and how the marriage can be dissolved.
Nowhere is “Marriage” defined in the US Constitution; our laws are not based on the Bible or a specific denomination’s interpretation of the Bible.
Two centuries ago marriage was a contract based upon a voluntary private agreement by a man and a woman. Originally, the husband’s duty was to provide a safe house and pay for necessities such as food and clothing. It was also presumed a wife’s obligations were to maintain the home, have sex with her husband, and to raise the children.
Today the underlying concept that marriage is a legal contract still remains. But the assumptions about “marriage obligations” have changed: Women are in the workforce. Couples share housework and raising children. Vermont is simply adapting to more changes in our society.

“Wrong Alex, I don’t hate anyone. I don’t agree with that lifestyle. Where did you read “hate” into anything I said?”
Oh, I don’t know, it might have had something to do with the whole “these people…are going straight to hell” piece. But I could be wrong.

lowes4321 that was funny. I say that because I really hope you aren’t seriously suggesting that same sex marriage will end the human race. Sure, same sex couples can’t reproduce, but there are plenty of us out there having 2,3,4 or more children. That’s more enough to make up for them, I think.

Lowes4321–With record birthrates in this nation and others across the globe, I really don’t think you need to worry about the death of the human race.

Please. I am SO sick to death of people using that LAME “gay marriage will end the human race because it cannot reproduce.” Hmm, what about straight couples that can’t reproduce because of health issues? Should they be allowed to marry? What’s the deal with you wackos, you think that if gay marriage is passed, everyone will suddenly turn gay and no more children will be produced? Give me a break. Straight marriages will merrily continue forth, right along with gay marriages, and children will continue to be popped out, and the human population will continue to thrive. PS – there are WAY too many humans on earth right now as it is. Population overgrowth. Maybe we could use a break? What do you think?
Stop using that ignorant “loss of reproduction” excuse on us. It’s lame, makes no sense, and is just another way for you to not have to actually think through what you’re saying, or actually care about anyone but yourself and your extremely close minded views. I’m just DONE with it.
rant over.

When I was growing up it was in insult to be called gay/queer. How can anyone be proud to admit it? Qu e er…..sums it up I guess.

Lowes4321 – The way I look at it, same sex marriage is saving the human race. We’re not going to be able to sustain this planet if we keep reproducing like rabbits… not to mention, gays are adopting – meaning they are putting love and energy into all those kids the straights are dumping into orphanages where the public system that can’t afford to raise them properly. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a win win.

@Mac:
How do you know who is going to Hell and who isn’t? Did God tell you that personally? Doesn’t your Bible say, “Judge not, that ye be not judged” and
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
Now let those people alone!

I am a straight Vermonter who could care less about gays having the right to marry, and I find it a shameful waste of time and money to even debate the issue. All people should have the same rights regardless of sexual orientation. And to all the Bible-thumpers out there, you preach love and acceptance to all but then pick and choose who should receive ‘salvation’ based on a person’s so-called lifestyle. Meanwhile, some of your evangelist leaders are closeted homosexuals caught with male escorts using Meth. Hypocrites!

Sean,
Massachusetts has had marriage equality for gays and lesbians now for over 6 years and nothing bad has happened. This civil rights issue has nothing to do with some town legalizing nudity. Your bigotry is showing.

Ok. First off everyone stop telling everyone else who’s going to hell and who isn’t. None of us know and none of us have the right to decide.
Second. Straight people stop calling gays/lesbians Queers. Gays/Lesbians please stop calling straight people breeders.
Third. Marriage is a legal binding contract. If you chose for it to be a binding contract between you, your love, and the state of vermont that’s fine. If you chose for it to be a binding contract between you, your love, and God that’s fine to but stop telling other people what to do with their marriage be it straight or gay.

Not even in nature–Does everything YOU do serve a purpose? Doubtful.

“There is no power greater than an idea whose time has come.” – Victor Hugo
Along with the Vermont decision, the D.C. Council voted today to recognize same-sex marriages performed in states where they are legal in D.C.
“Faith, Hope and Love, and the greatest of these is Love” … Love is triumphant today!

Marriage is a state-sanctioned construct to save-guard the orderly transfer of property rights. The notiion of marriage for “love” is a relatively new development from the Victorian era.

All I can say is……..I sure am glad I live far away from Vermont.

IntuitiveOne? … your moniker does not reveal your narrow-minded-ness! Gay marriage is legal throughout Canada, Mexico City and countries abroad .. and it will be legal in your neighborhood soon!

Francisco, it shows how sick the world has become.

Stay in the closet. Right. Just like black people had to stay in the back of the bus. Makes perfect sense.
You should be ashamed for being so ignorant and intolerant of others who don’t abide by YOUR chosen lifestyle.
To each their own, my friend. Live and let live.

…and the South shall rise again. Yeeee-haw!!

I find stupidity to be more of a disease than homosexuality. If only there were a cure…

Chris, what a ridiculous comparison. Black people did not choose to be black. People choose to be gay. It is mental.

Hey, I got it! This is what’s wrong with all those right wing Christians! They keep talking about buttsex, and don’t realize it’s NOT about sex, it’s about LOVING another human being with all your heart! That’s it! They forgot that marriage wasn’t ONLY about populating the earth, but also loving another person. NO wonder they’re so bitter.

People like Mac on these sites always make me laugh as they inject the threat of eternal damnation to HELL as a means of justifying their prejuidice and using religion as a means to deny taxpaying citizens Constitutional rights. If it were up to citizens and “good Christians” like Mac interracial marriage wouldn’t exist either.

IntuitiveOne your moniker is ironic…why would anyone choose to be marginalized and subjected to the likes of people such as yourself.

i know alot of married couples that have but sex why is it that gays cant have the same rights in a free nation to live free from religions blind narrow out of date view…you religous people always talk about your freedoms but just love takeing them away from others that dont believe liek you…if you love religous ruled nations so much move to iran or or some other muslim nation and you cant kill and torure thsoe taht dont belive in god.

If anal intercourse is the big problem here, most straight people are engaging in the practice as much as or even more than a lot of gays.
But you’re inside a man with a hairy bun dude. What’s wrong with you, like you said, a woman will let you do that.

Jack – THANK YOU. WELL PUT.

I think that gay marriage is a mistake. I think that years from now people will wonder why we even considered it. I don’t feel that banning gay marriage does any harm to society. Gays and lesbians who never believed in marriage before, suddenly want it now. Even the Goodridges from MA couldn’t stay married after being together for decades. It was never really about marriage. It was about being gay or lesbian. Congratulations to all the gay marriage advocates in Vermont. You have done real harm to marriages in Vermont. I don’t know why on earth someone would celebrate that. However, if you think that people who believe in marriage are going to resign themselves to defeat, you will be sadly mistaken. There are more enduring values than political grandstanding. You will learn that equality doesn’t raise the desire of a few over the deeply held beliefs of the many. There is a reason that marriage between one man and one woman has endured for ages, and it is not because of the efforts of bigots. It is because of the love of the men and women who married each other and saw how it was good. For ages, others have tried all kinds of arrangements. Those other arrangements haven’t endured, and it wasn’t for lack of effort or enthusiasm. Most people love and honor marriage between one man and one woman. They are not bigots. They just understand the value of something you can’t seem to grasp.

This opens the doors for underage marriages, multiple partners and arranges marriages with the dead. Are we ready fro that?

Sean,
How does allowing gay marriage hurt anyone?

It’s pretty simple–if you think gays are gross, that’s your own problem. White people used to think that blacks were gross and stopped inter-racial couples from getting married because they found their love to be gross and nasty. That bigotry is thankfully nearly behind us, but the anti-gay bigotry is certainly thriving on this board.
Do you angry people even notice the rest of the country and world moving on and passing you by? In the last 10 years, the number of Americans who support marriage equality for gays and lesbians has doubled. 5 years from now, we will be a majority. Voters under age 25 are for gay marriage by 75%, voters over 65 are against gay marriage by 75%.
You do the math.

sean obrien—and back when they gave bl;acks voteing rights and women voteing rights and said it was legal for a black and white to marry people like you shouted that it would be bad…guess what it wasnt…we are all equal in this nation our founding fathers made that very clear..so why should someone that pays taxes works hard isnt a criminal not be able to get married…no matter what sex they are they have same rights as you do in as much they can get married..they were born gay or chose to be gay doesnt even matter.. just listen to our founding fathers words all people are have the same rights.

I’m addicted to the comedy you give with your hilarious postings Intuitive
One and your ironic monkier makes me laugh and laugh. And Jack I know a lot of “gross” staight people as well. Obese men, women with facial hair, people who smell bad, people who are slamming others for the sake of their insecurties and to try to rationalize their irrational thoughts.

I don’t get the logic of the “gay marriage leads to death” people — how exactly does letting gay people getting married lead to that? If they are not married does it NOT lead to death? What does them getting married or not make any difference?

I can’t believe the names and excuses you gay people come up with to justify your being with another man. The new thing with you people is calling anyone who doesn’t agree with you a hater or bigot. I’m not religious but if you are, is god a hater and bigot? He doesn’t agree with you. You’re the ones with the deseases that resuled from being with the same sex. Admit it, sexual deseases are way higher among gays than anyone. Why? because your body rejects it. So call us what you want. You’re the ones that have the sexual identification problem.

It’s obvious from posts on here that it’s lack of education killing this country (and mankind as a whole).

“Chris, what a ridiculous comparison. Black people did not choose to be black. People choose to be gay. It is mental.” — Why are only homophobic idiots experts on what being gay is? Do you know how many gays commit suicide because they want so badly to be straight? They have their preachers, their family, their friends all telling them that what they are is evil and sinful. And no matter what they do they are simply not attracted to the opposite sex. Does that sound like a choice to you?

ekoja22—Extremely well said..

to the gays choose to be gay why woul dthey choose to be something that fools like you will torment and discriminate against. why would they choos eto be something that only results in them being outsiders…doesnt sound liek something i would choose…think about the gays that even though they know they will be killed still are gay in iraq and iran and other muslim nations…why is it they woudl choose that… they dont they are born taht way…it happens i grew up on a fram we had a steer that woudlnever no matter what mount a cow but would try mounting other steers.. ask most farmers and tehy will tell you same thing.it happens

Jack—–Respectfully,your post reveals a basic lack of understanding regarding human sexuality on the one hand and a jump to a conclusion as to god’s view of homosexuality on the other.
Firstly—-All professional organizations that study homosexuality agree that it is normal and not a matter of choice.(apa,ama,other two apa’s etc.)
Secondly—-Not all religions view homosexuality negatively.There is broad disagreement even within the christian faith on this.

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Churches will become the legal target of gay/lesbian groups for refusing to conduct these marriages. This is already happening in Europe in countries where gay marriage is legal. They will be accused of promoting “hate”, a common rhetorical argument used by gay/lesbian advocates who want to silence all opposition.
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never happened. But hardly the point, we’re not europe, and we have something called separation of church and state, which actually protects the church. Many churches did not want to perform interracial marriages and to this day not a one of them has ever been forced to.

This is the Law of God regarding homosexuality-please read on:
21st Century King James Version: “Be fruitful and multiply”
American Standard Version: “Be fruitful, and multiply”
Amplified Bible: “Be fruitful, multiply”
Contemporary English Version: “Have a lot of children!”
Darby Translation: “Be fruitful and multiply”
English Standard Version: “Be fruitful and multiply”
Holman Christian Standard Bible: “Be fruitful, multiply”
The Message: “Prosper! Reproduce”
New American Standard Bible: “Be fruitful and multiply”
New International Reader’s Version: “Have children and increase your numbers”
New International Version: “Be fruitful and increase in number”
New King James Version: “Be fruitful and multiply”
New Life Version: “Give birth to many; grow in number”
New Living Translation: “Multiply”
King James Version: “Be fruitful and multiply”
Young’s Literal Translation: “Be fruitful, and multiply”
“The meaning is quite clear, and needs little elaboration. God created two humans of different sexes so that they could reproduce. He ordered them to have children and start to populate the world with more humans. There is obviously a limit to the number of children that Eve could give birth to. One might safely assume that God’s instruction to Adam and Eve were also binding to their children, grandchildren, even down to the present generation.
The only family/marriage structure that allows procreation by the spouses is made up of one or more men and one or more women. Two women cannot procreate together. Two men cannot have children. God’s intent therefore is for marriage to be limited to opposite sexes. God did not initially create one man and multiple women, or one women and multiple men, or multiple men and women. God’s intent therefore was to have opposite-sex pairs of humans marry and create families consisting of one man and one woman. There is no room in God’s plan for same-sex marriage (SSM). SSM should therefore not be legalized as they have been by rogue courts and legislatures in the Netherlands, Belgium, Canada and the state of Massachusetts.”
Homosexuality is against God’s plan for His Kingdom…this new law just accelerated Armagedon and many will be “cast in the pit of fire”. I wish I could have a magic wand and touch each one of you and save you from yourselves as I don’t really believe that you know God…I could cry for you…but I’ll pray for your soul that you change your ways and come to God..

susiegal—even if all us sane people are wrong and soem big boogey man god in the sky is real. it is still our choice and this is a free nation were all can live as they want..keep your beliefs just that your beliefs they are not mine.. our founding fathers made sure we all had equal rights all of us even the gays and lesbians..

The real issue here is societal acceptance of biologically deviant behavior. There is a real correlation between the level of societal acceptability granted any given behavior and the increased manifestation of that behavior in the society. As we as a nation abandon any real semblance of an absolute moral code we will continue to digress. It’s not rocket science folks, look at the increase across this nation of promiscuity and its unfortunate byproduct (single parent households). If society (via mass media) suddenly decided to advocate for any behavior, incest (for example) and successfully turned public opinion to be in favor of or even just tolerant of such behavior don’t you think that you would see an increase in that behavior within the society? Of course you would. You could do the same with any behavior (murder, spouse abuse, stealing music on Napster etc.) Just because society deems a behavior to be okay does not make it so. Think slavery. It remains to be seen whether a court will rule governmental irresponsibility and culpability in an inevitable eventual case alleging psychological scarring of an adopted child of a homosexual household. I guess we will see….

Jack, MAC, Sean and intuitive one, your words are priceless. Thank god we have people like you in this world to make me laugh out loud. It’s healthy and fun. You are like the Marx brothers of stupidity. Thanks for that!
Posted by: USMC | Apr 7, 2009 5:48:28 PM
What’s even funnier is how you try to make it sound like we’re the ones with the problem. You’re the ones laying with the same sex. Your excuse that all these gays were born that way is dead wrong. it’s a perversion of what was intended with sex. You can’t tell me that so many were just born in the wrong body and nature made so many mistakes. Just a bunch of excuses to justify your perversion. i do believe a few were born that way, but lets get real, it’s a vey few percentage wise. Plus i didn’t hear a response to the high rate of deseases among the homosexual community.

Firstly—-All professional organizations that study homosexuality agree that it is normal and not a matter of choice.(apa,ama,other two apa’s etc.)
Secondly—-Not all religions view homosexuality negatively.There is broad disagreement even within the christian faith on this.
Posted by: mensarino
Also, where do you get that ALL professional organizations agree that gays are born that way? Did you just make that up, it sounds like it. because you’re wrong. So if a guy says, hey, I think I’ll try that, I’m hearing so much about it, I’m curious. then he tries it and thinks, I kinda like that, I’m going to do it again. Doe’s that mean he was born that way? That means he just likes the sex and maybe the perversion of it.

susiegal:
1. there are over 6 BILLION people on this planet! If we keep multiplying we are going to destroy the environment and ourselves. Duh!
2. your book also says that wearing clothing made of more than one kind of fiber is an abomination (in Leviticus), why aren’t you worried about that?
3. there are many ways to know God and Goddess — don’t assume that anyone who doesn’t follow your path is lost or will be punished. there are many of us who are just as spiritual as you are, who fully support gay rights.

Susiegal, “go forth and multiply” has nothing to do with homosexuality, and those are some of the few words in the Bible that should be taken literally. There are PLENTY of people already multiplying like mad. Are you going to condemn straight couples who, for some reason or another, cannot have a child? And there’s this wonderful new system: it’s called adoption. There are so many unwanted children in the world, so maybe we should back off on the whole “multiplying” thing for a bit. Gay couples can raise children just as well as straight couples. You say, “Wait – those poor children will become gay! We must stop this abomination!” 1. I’m not seeing the issue here…isn’t the Gospel’s message all about love, tolerance, and acceptance? Let’s not forget salvation for EVERYONE. 2. Not necessarily. One of my friends was raised by two gay men, and he’s about as straight as you can get.

Susiegal, do you support banning marriages to those who infertile? With your logic, you should…
Yay Fellow Vermonters!

susiegal, you sound so pompous and self-righteous.

Posted by: susiegal | Apr 7, 2009 5:58:58 PM: “God’s intent therefore is for marriage to be limited to opposite sexes”.
Nowhere is “Marriage” defined in the US Constitution; also, American laws are not based on the King James Bible or a specific denomination’s interpretation “God’s intent”. The legal marriage contract is just that. A contract regulated by the states.
On the other hand, your definition of marriage is defined by specific church doctrines. You may think homosexuality is “sinful”, other Christian churches don’t agree. That’s why the United States provides freedom for people to worship in their own way, and CLEARLY separates religion from our government.
Regardless of my religious beliefs or yours, the US Supreme Court has held that states are permitted to reasonably regulate the institution of marriage by prescribing WHO is allowed to marry, and how the marriage can be dissolved. It is a legal contract that has nothing to do with our interpretation of the Bible.

To the best of my knowledge, people of “gay” currently enjoy the same rights as any other single individuals in this country. If said rights are violated, they have the same remedies. If the majority of the population feels that gays should get a better deal on their taxes, hospital visitation rights, et al, fine, I don’t mind. But give their union another name. Marriage is already taken and its meaning well understood for ages. Why not call the gay union marriage? Well for the same reason you do not call a red head a blonde. However, now what do you do about two friends of the same sex whom live together but do not have sex together. Are our tax codes now going to be structured according to who’s having sex with who ? There are many other reasons why, in this case, the “squeaky wheel” should not be greased and the minority should not rule. But, I truely believe the whole thing is a big power play by the gay community. They are desperate to have the rest of the world accept them as completely “normal” in every way. Kind of like saying you’re a red head if you say you are, regardless of the color of your hair. If you have black hair, you are not a red head. If you are gay, you are not normal. If you are 8’6″ tall, you are not normal. May not be a thing in the world wrong with you, but you are NOT normal. The gays will get over it, or they’ll pitch hissy fits, or they’ll die of old age, but they will never be normal. Should “normality” ever equate with “homosexuality”, our species will soon become extinct.

Real T: (I hope I was clear haha sometimes I’m not) Thank you. My point exactly.

schu—very i am with you…

REAL T HERE: Well, I can’t marry my sister, my daughter, my mother, my aunt or a host of other people. If my I.Q. falls within a certain range, I can’t marry anyone. What IS your point ? ?

Susiegal posted, “this new law just accelerated Armageddon”.
According to whom? Sister Amiee Semple McPherson? Your interpretation of the Old Testament? What about all those other American Christian churches that teach the Old Testament is not the word of God written in stone, but a parable or an ancient story copied, edited, and translated over centuries?
Because we live in the United States of America, we are all free to worship in our own way, including Muslim, Hindu, Mormon, and Jew. That is why one specific faith’s dogma is separated from the rule of law.

Like many gay and lesbians across the country, I was excited and happy to hear the news from Vermont today. One step closer to true equality in my lifetime.
Imagine my shock and disappointment when I listened for and didn’t hear ONE WORD from ABC World News Tonight with Charlie Gibson about same. I guess the roll-out of the new Segway prototype was a more relevant human interest story.
Even NBC managed a 10 second blurb.
Bravo to the brave Vermont lawmakers. Shame on ABC.
I’ll be changing my Tivo to NBC News. Sorry, Charlie.

I was born in VT and now I’m just finishing up my 15th year here.
I can remember watching the news when same-sex marriage rights were passed in M.A. right after I came out as queer. I cried because I was so proud of our almost-neighbooring state for recognizing my rights as a human being. I was sure then that I would never be able to marry in my home town in VT, at the church my parents AND grandparents married in. Now, I can. Now I can be proud of my state, of my legislators, of my people.
I love VT.
I love my church and christian faith.
I love that I can be myself in both places.

Bubby—I let your comment slide once,but not twice.Your post is devoid of any scientific validity.It is full of hypotheticals and scare tactics.Your attempts to sound educated do not ring true to the truly educated.
Study up a bit more,my boy, and educate yourself about human sexuality.You,too,Jack.I base my comments on 40 years as a psychologist.If you were familiar with the official stances of the American Psychiatric,Psychological andPediatric Associations, as well as the American Medical Association, you would know that ALL regard homosexuality as normal and not a choice.One can only choose behavior but not orientation.
You would think that people would want to post with knowledge to support them…..guess not.

Welcome to the moral decline of America. Instead of dumbing marriage down, we should be making it stronger and something to be respected; legalizing gay “marriage” makes it a haphazard, worthless thing open to anyone who claims to be “in love”. Wake up, people. Marriage is serious business, meant only for one man and one woman. It should NEVER, EVER be treated as a social experiment.

Bravo Emmy Lou ! Your post brought tears to my eyes.

I was moved to tears today to watch my legislators override a veto (for the first time in about 20 years in Vermont) to send a message to my neighbors that “we accept you”. Now my next-door neighbors can be accepted just like my wife and I, as full citizens of Vermont. The scene at the capital today was unlike anything I’d ever seen. An massive coming together of all types of people, to affirm our acceptance of a long disenfranchised group of people that are in ALL walks of life.

Mimma, plenty of straight people claim to be in love and get married. Heck, there are plenty of “straight” celebriteis that get married only to divorce days, months later. Does this not have an effect on marriages?? Or is just gay people that are going to have an affect on marriages?? How exactly do gay marriages affect straight marriages? I’ve never understood your argument and probally never will! If you don’t want to marry a person of the same gender, don’t, but how does letting them marry have any effect on you.?.?.?

Mimma, I don’t get your logic at all. How does gay marriage affect society in general? How is it best for the community to not allow gay people to get married? Are you saying it better for kids???? Then by your logic, allowing two people who choose not to have children or are sterile has an adverse affect on society and thus should be barred from getting married, that is if you follow your logic…. Just because you believe something does not make it so….

Bigotry took a big hit today!!!
Our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters deserve this equality and we must keep fighting discrimination until we overcome.
I’m very proud of Vermont today.

Mimma, read it, still no answer to my questions. You’re equating getting beat up to gay, loving couples being denied the right to a marriage?!?!?! In what ways is it bad for a community if a person who is gay gets married? I read your previous post, now, if you were so kind, please answer my questions…..

Live your life as a gay, loving couple. You can live as you like, and do what you feel is best and right for you. By all means (and I mean this most sincerely)your life is your own and you make of it what you will. I am in no way disputing this. HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT MARRIAGE. Marriage is meant for one man, and one woman. There are no exceptions or substitutions.

By the way,Bubby,grown men don’t go by “Bubby” and you might want to learn how to spell”bogus” if you’re going to throw it out there.

Psychology 101 – Denial is one of the stages of death… Denying that homosexuality is biologically abnormal is merely evidence that you and many of your colleagues are already brain dead… there is no question that it occurs but the value of the behavior to the survival of the species is highly suspect… Truth is that you are all just soothe sayers feeding into the delusional dysfunction of these poor biologically short-circuited individuals to avoid conflict and remain politically correct. Disgusting lot – those Psychologists…

Gay marriage will destroy the gay lifestyle. Marriage, being a conservative force on people and society,will make it hards for gays to remain single and live like they will forever be single. The rampant annonymnous sex of the gaya lifestyle will be curtailed by the married gays. Being single and gay will become the mark of an outcast. How dare gays get married and ruin a free and easy lifestyle?

ACTS238 | Apr 8, 2009 1:01:31 AM posted
“You can’t just pick out one verse in the Bible and ok it, you have to read the whole thing.”
OK ! So, according to Deut 21:18 “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son…all the men of his town shall stone him to death.” Should we follow this advice, or just pick and choose which verses to follow, like Leviticus 20:13 recommending gays “must be put to death”?
Not every Christian denomination believes the Bible is the carved in stone word of god – other Christians believe the Old Testament is comprised of ancient stories and parables, edited and translated over centuries.
And where did you learn “gays aren’t born that way”? I’m curious – have you vever met anyone who is homosexual?

Bubby Sr. | Apr 8, 2009 2:48:16 AM posted “Denying that homosexuality is biologically abnormal is merely evidence that you and many of your colleagues are already brain dead.”
Let’s see…should rational Americans take advice from the American Psychiatric, Psychological and Pediatric Associations and the American Medical Association that homosexuality is not “abnormal”, or should we dismiss these “politically correct soothe sayers” as “a disgusting lot”.
Sorry Bubby, I’m going with modern data, the doctors and professionals, not Old Testament fire and brimstone fear mongering.

I’m just waiting for the it’s cool to be gay fad to fade away and see what the next perversion fad will be.

if gay men want to join us suffering sad married str8 men and get married fien atleast they will marry someone sane us str8 guys have to marry wicked twisted insane women..almost makes you want to be gay when you listen to women rant and talk crazy as always.

After reading all of the negative comments, I’m both amused and saddened by them. The basic fact is that most of those who are opposed to gay marriage are using religion as a cover for their own prejudices. There was an NPR news story awhile back about male exchange students from Afghanistan who were warned NOT to hug or hold hands when in the USA as it could be misinterpreted. In their world, simple non-romantic displays of affection between males were not uncommon — even in that macho, fundamentalist Muslim culture. Remember the quote “Almighty God created the races: White, Black, Yellow, Malay, and Red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix…” ? It’s the same thing. You can hide behind religion to justify almost anything. It might not be easy for you at first to explain to your child why someone has two mothers, or two fathers, or why two boys are kissing each other, but not so long ago the same people asked my father why he was with mother or why she had mixed race children.

theafalcon200 —-
P.S. to speak of how humans are “spiritual beings” in the context of attempting to justify hedonistic practices is just downright hilarious !

Thanks vermont for bringing the US farther down in it’s morals. It’s only a matter of time. All civilizations went this route before they disappeared off the earth.

I dont understand why there is so much negativity towards gay/lesbian marriage. My parents barely stayed married 5 years, any kids they had were made while they were not married., so claiming marriage as a legal way to have kids is bs. Ever heard of orphans??? Yea the by product of straight people there, so be proud that you had a fun night then abandon your child because you dont want to be bothered with it. Heck straight marraiges have been failling at an all time rate, should we stop letting striaght people marry? no we dont, so let the people who want to get married, regaurdless of genders involved just do it.