Ma Nishtanobama: President Obama to Attend White House Seder
EmailABC News’ Rick Klein and Rachel Martin report:
President Obama is planning to celebrate the Jewish holiday of Passover by attending a small Seder at the White House Thursday evening — in what may be the first time a sitting president participates in such a ceremony.
The White House included this line in a press release sent out Tuesday regarding the president’s schedule: "President Obama and his family will mark the beginning of Passover with a Seder at the White House with friends and staff."
The Seder at the White House will be held on the second night of Passover.
According to the Jerusalem Post, this appears to be the first time a president has been part of a Seder at the White House. Seders have been held at the White House in the past, but the president himself has not typically been part of them.
"I’m really happy to hear about it," Steve Rabinowitz, who once led a staff Seder in the Clinton White House, told the Jerusalem Post. "It’s been an extremely open White House to all faith communities, certainly including ours."
Added Rabinowitz: "I’m only sorry that I won’t be there to see the president and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel say at the same time, ‘Once we were all slaves. Now we are all free.’ "
Rabbi David Saperstein is the head of the Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism in Washington DC and a member of President Obama’s council of community faith-based advisors. He says he think this is a first. "I’d be surprised if it’s happened before…I’m pretty sure this is the first time there’s been a seder at the White House that the President has participated in and I think it’s quite lovely."
This could be the beginning of a new White House tradition. A senior White House official tells ABC News that last April 19th, then candidate Obama gathered together with a small group of campaign staff traveling with him and held an impromptu Passover Seder in the basement of the Sheraton Hotel in Harrisburg, PA. A White House official says, "It was welcome moment of reflection and rest from the rigors of the campaign. At the conclusion of the Seder, Senator Obama and the assembled group jokingly added "Next year in the White House!" after the traditional refrain "Next year in Jerusalem!"
This is expected to be a small, intimate event for staffers and a few Obama family friends. Guests will take turns doing readings and the Seder will be lead by Eric Lesser, David Axelrod’s assistant.
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So…When was President Barack Obama, or any of his ancestry, a slave?
Posted by: justasking | April 8, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
justaking, never, but I believe one of his white ancestors owned slaves.
Posted by: Keith | April 8, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
just asking & Keith, WHAT!? Do you know if his ancestors in Kenya had sisters, brothers, anyone enslaved? Not only brought to the US, but Europe? Maybe another African country or tribe? What is wrong you people? Have you ever been to a sedar? It’s a beautiful tradition, and you make light of it’s meaning, shame on you!
Posted by: try the truth | April 8, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Another example of shallow post modernists equating religion with consumer choice thereby diminishing religion to mere tradition.
Jews observe Passover. It is a religious event with Jews where they recall God leading them out of bondage and death. For a non-Jew to participate is nonsense and lip service. Are we to believe the President is recalling the passing over of God’s angel?
Well intentioned or not Mr. Obama is insulting observant Jews just as Bill Clinton insulted The Church when he received Holy Communion at mass.
Uhg…
Posted by: Jack | April 8, 2009, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
I think we can all agree that President Obama is a very intelligent, honest person. That is why I am confused about his actions in regards to releasing a copy of his original Certificate of Live Birth kept on file in Hawaii. Instead he has chosen to release a “Certification of Live Birth” recently computer generated, and missing a lot of data contained on the original. Why would he not release a copy of the original? Could the original contain information he might find embarrassing? What could it be?
Posted by: Terry | April 8, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Hi “try the truth”
You might want to research the Obama family in Kenya…
Posted by: Terry | April 8, 2009, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
My family was invited to a Seder several years ago by dear friends. While we are Roman Catholic, our religious beliefs did not stop us from sharing a special time with friends who worship differently. It was a beautiful evening and my children learned quite a bit from it. Wouldn’t it be nice if we all took the time to learn a little bit about people of other faith’s. I continue to say it is our differences that make us a great nation and we should celebrate every one of them. Well happy Passover and Easter to you all.
Posted by: Lou-NH | April 8, 2009, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
attending a seder?! Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. What is Obama trying to prove? Especially after his supplicating bow to an Islamic potentate this past week!
Posted by: Ed | April 8, 2009, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
I will be at a Seder tonight and tomorrow night and for over 30 years our family Seders have included non-Jews – Christians, Catholics, Muslims, and Hindus. EVERYONE always appreciates it and many expect to attended yearly after having done so once. I think it’s wonderful that the President and his family are taking an opportunity to learn something of another religion.
And – you misinformed idiots – you think Jews were insulted that he was in Turkey? Turkey is the ONLY majority Muslim country with full diplomatic relations with Israel – they cooperate in many ventures, including some military.
And what does the Birth Certificate have to do with anything here? And why should the State of Hawaii change it’s laws, or even once abrogate it’s own law, just to satisfy you?
Posted by: Mindy | April 8, 2009, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Ever notice that whenever anyone criticized Obama, he makes a point to get something in the news to squelch rumors. The latest was that since he bowed to the Saudi King and visited a mosque, he feels he needs to appease the jews. He’s goofy and wishy-washy. A real weak flippy person with no convictions. Religious or otherwise.
Posted by: jag | April 8, 2009, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm
Thanks for the rational voice, Mindy. Our Jewish friends have shared holidays and traditions with us and our small town for years now, and we’re all the better for it.
Posted by: obamamama | April 8, 2009, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
President Obama
As one that fought to get you into office -
I am disgusted !
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President Obama promised the American people a new era of transparency, accountability, and respect for civil liberties,” said EFF Senior Staff Attorney Kevin Bankston. “But with the Obama Justice Department continuing the Bush administration’s cover-up of the National Security Agency’s dragnet surveillance of millions of Americans, and insisting that the much-publicized warrantless wiretapping program is still a ‘secret’ that cannot be reviewed by the courts, it feels like deja vu all over again.”
Posted by: GHM | April 8, 2009, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Osama Bin Laden should love this one!
Posted by: Red Trunk | April 8, 2009, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
I think this is wonderful — I grew up Russian Orthodox and I lived next door to a rabbi. Being friends with his daughters I did get the chance to attend as well. It is something each of my daughters have had the experience also with college roommates and last year my granddaughter was christened in a Methodist church. It was during passover and the church was having a passover seder the next evening. Part of the sermon included the meaning of passover — As some of my daughter’s friends who were Jewish were attending, it was a wonderful conversation we all had afterward. An inclusiveness that we all had commonalities in our religious beliefs.
Posted by: paulet | April 8, 2009, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm
Christianity´s roots are in Judaism. The first Christians, including the disciples and Paul, were Jews; Christians were even considered a sect within Judaism. I think Christians should honor this important rite and participate whenever invited. It´s wonderful that the President is participating in the celebration at the White House.
Posted by: BachisBest | April 8, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Are you kidding me ?? Just got back licking Muslims bhinds and now wants to show Judaism ? Slave ? Yeah his ancestral family in Africa sold slaves to Europeans back on the 15th century.
Posted by: Frank | April 8, 2009, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
Christ was a Jew, so why shouldn’t people who believe in Christ not celebrate or learn about a tradition that Christ himself followed.
Posted by: cantsleep | April 8, 2009, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
As far as that goes….Christ says all who are saved are Jews. Read the Book of Romans.
Posted by: stuart2560 | April 8, 2009, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
Seems Obama is still trying to figure who or what he is…. Or could it be he tries to be everything to everyone…. Ether way…. We’re in trouble with this guy…
Posted by: Lumberman_63 | April 8, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Anyone of any faith is welcome to attend a Passover seder. We have many friends who practice faiths other than Judaism whom we invite to celebrate this festival of freedom. We’ve never had anyone decline our invitations; in fact, a number of our friends watch the calendar as much as we do, asking well in advance whether we’re doing the seder in a particular year. It is a custom in our family to welcome the stranger among us, for we also were once strangers in a strange land.
As for whether anyone in the President’s ancestry was once a slave, Kenya was once part of the British Empire and you can bet your bottom dollar that President Obama’s Black ancestors were not landowners, but toiled mightily under the yoke of British colonialism.
Posted by: nanameow | April 8, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
I am Catholic. My family has always shared seder with our Jewish neighbors. Jesus was a Jew. Christianity has common roots with Judaism. All you haters need to back off and chill. Get a life. Get out and enjoy the real world…a world in which all kinds of people interact and share their cultures.
Posted by: Kellynch | April 8, 2009, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
wow – ignorance abounds. Guess it takes a Jew to point out to you great thinkers that the Passover Seder is one and the same event as the Last Supper – you know, Jesus, 12 disciples, Mary Magdalene? We always had Christians at our seder and in fact thought it highly appropriate that they celebrate the event – with us or by themselves. Oh yeah, “appeasment” and the “Lady doth protest too much?” What so now he is a closet Jew? You people need to get a grip. Oh, by the way, here is a newsflash for you… Jesus? A Jew. Born, lived and died a Jew, last supper – a Seder….. So in light of all that, I do not think it at all insulting that a practicing Christian celebrate Passover. Or for that matter the President of the US takes the time to acknowlege he is President of not only the Christians of the US, but also of the Jews, Moslems, and everyone else. Shame he can’t go to church when he wants but with all the people and cameras – whats the point? I don’t doubt his faith. Seems to me his actions are pretty WWJD, trying to stop wars, feed people and see that they have health care, etc… Where do any of you stand on that – most of these letters are pretty much condemnatory and mean spirited? Judge not lest ye be judged… heard of that one?
Posted by: AndieLee | April 8, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
I am Catholic. My family has always shared seder with our Jewish neighbors. Jesus was a Jew. Christianity has common roots with Judaism. All you haters need to back off and chill. Get a life. Get out and enjoy the real world…a world in which all kinds of people interact and share their cultures.
Posted by: Kellynch | April 8, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
Bows to the Saudi King and now a seder. Maybe he should attend a midnight mass on Friday to appease the Notre Dame donors.
Posted by: michelle | April 8, 2009, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
Frank: You have a potty mouth and a potty mind. You and Rush belong in the same sewer. There is nothing wrong with participating in another’s services. Hopefully, one day you will find peace as someone as hateful as you hates yourself also and you will never be happy until you find peace.
Posted by: talmag | April 8, 2009, 6:55 pm 6:55 pm
The world has been at war over religion for centuries. It’s amazing how many humans have died as a result. Well…it still continues today and will continue until some religious nut gets hold of the nuke button and causes our total destruction. Come on people, doesn’t it seem a little ridiculous that millions worship a rock (the dome of the rock, temple mount, etc.). This rock seems to be the focal point of most all religions and has resulted in more death than any other force on earth. You would think by now the human brain would have advanced enough get over this nonsense. Until then (and probably for the rest of my life), I must own guns to defend myself and family from primitive criminals and religious fanatics. Both are extremely dangerous but I fear the advancement of religion the most.
Posted by: upcloepls | April 8, 2009, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm
I know that Jesus was born a Jew and He came to this world to save the sinner. That means you and me. When we accept Him as our Lord and Savior we are adopted into the family of Christ. We are now a part of Israel too. Therefore I, as an African American, God-fearing, bible believing Christian woman, don’t hesitate to say that I am glad to be able to refer to myself as a Jew. Not by birth, but because I am born-again in Christ!
Posted by: What I Know | April 8, 2009, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
A person can attend all the religious events he can find but if he (or she) is not born-again, he (or she) will never see the kingdom of God. That applies to Jews, Gentiles, Muslims, whoever. Don’t take my word for it, take Jesus’ (Gospel of John 3:3). Read your bible.
Posted by: NIck Pukalo | April 8, 2009, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
upcloepis wrote “The world has been at war over religion for centuries. It’s amazing how many humans have died as a result. Well…it still continues today and will continue until some religious nut gets hold of the nuke button and causes our total destruction”
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It’s amazing how many humans have died fighting for your freedom to post on this blog. That’s why the historic respect for all the Saints and all the Heros will continue and never be forgotten. That’s the way of the world my dear fellow citizen. We can’t throw it away.
Posted by: granny | April 8, 2009, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm
After watching the Obama team with Japan on North Korea.. Israel is on its own. Besides that I think Obama has shown his true colors and backstabing the Jews is just not enough for him.
Posted by: Ramonna | April 8, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
I am glad that some posters here have mentioned Christianity’s Jewish roots. The fact is that while Jews have no need whatsoever of Christians to explain their origins or existence, we Christians would be quite at a loss to explain our roots without recourse to both Jews and Jewish traditions and practices – most especially including Seder.
Christians truly need to study and pay close attention to Seder. It is the origin of what we call the Last Supper, and we can be quite assured that the modern Seder is almost precisely like the real Last Supper eaten by Jesus and His disciples in the upper room. (The only difference would be the missing lamb sacrifice – since there is not Temple in which to perform the required act.)
When a Christian truly understands Seder, he will also understand that it foretold the entire Gospel story 1,500 years in advance. (Non-Christians and especially many Jews may not accept this, but a Christian should definitely understand it.) Also – to a Christian believer – Jesus “was” not merely a Jew: He IS a Jew, and He will never deny nor seek to or bring any harm upon His People, the Jews.
Personally, I am deeply heartened that President Obama would elect to observe Seder in the White House. Perhaps (and I sincerely hope) it will give him an even better understanding of many things he will be facing as President.
Posted by: Jordan | April 8, 2009, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
He can pray to Ahura Mazda (the highest God of Zorotraism, considered the oldest religion of the world) if chooses too. I don’t give a hoot but his hypocracy is what makes wrong…Jew ? well, that is hard to define since Jew has nothing to do with religion. Many Jews don’t believe in God. Judaism ? just like Christianity Judaism has too many branches,Orthodox being the largest. There are about 14 million Jews in the world . New York City has the largest concentration 1.8 million. School yourselves people…..
Posted by: Frank | April 8, 2009, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
AndieLee – great post -
the haters on these blogs are going to find something wrong with everything the president does – if he didn’t celebrate they would have said something hateful about that. since they have no new ideas that is all they can do. too bad.
Posted by: MaryE | April 8, 2009, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
It is very perplexing to see people who really think this is a negative event. I could only hope that our new president can display his wisdom and leadership by participating in the religious traditions of all of his constituents. We are a nation of great diversity and we should not shy away from celebrating it.
Posted by: Lou-NH | April 8, 2009, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
I am an Episcopalian who grew up attending the Passover seders of Jewish family friends. I am now married to a Jewish man, and I still attend seders. Though I am not religious, the history and tradition — the melding of Jewish and Christian experience that marks me even as I have moved far from my roots and that still deeply informs my scholarly profession — is meaningful, and I respect it. I always will.
Posted by: Eleonora27 | April 8, 2009, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
Wow what a week. He actually bows to a muslim king and totally ignores the Queen of England except to hand her an ipod made in China. (good job) Now he is a pretend Jew. What next? Perhaps he’ll put a May pole in the middle of the oval office and dance around it on May 1. I notice he is not going to have a Catholic Mass when he attends Notre Dame.
Posted by: madvtr | April 8, 2009, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
Hypocracy to it’s best.Like I said before hypocracy, just another photo shot to impress the ignorant people like you…
Posted by: Frank | April 8, 2009, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
Frank- I am now convinced that this president can do nothing that would gain your approval. My guess is that you would have preferred a Bush clone to give us all another enriching 8 years.
Posted by: Lou-NH | April 8, 2009, 7:40 pm 7:40 pm
Someone told me when I was a little girl, “never reject something you know nothing about”. A great insight that have guided me throughout my life.
A responsible person should have the ability to seek out the information they need to make informed opinions and decisions. I didn’t know that ignorance in this country was so wide spread.
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 8, 2009, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm
Here you go again Samantha….keep watching Fox News…you’ll remain ignorant.
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 8, 2009, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Lou
And just what would your response be if Bush did this? What would the general response be from liberals?
Posted by: angie ca | April 8, 2009, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm
Are you kidding me?! As a Jew, I believe that what Obama is doing is making a mockery out of Judaism. He’s no more Jewish than I am Muslim! What Obama needs to do is stick with his religion rather than disgracing others by trying to be cool.
Posted by: Disrespected | April 8, 2009, 8:05 pm 8:05 pm
“It is very perplexing to see people who really think this is a negative event” and “the haters on these blogs are going to find something wrong with everything…”
There seem to a lot of really bitter people in this country… and their bitterness reflects much more on themselves and their own character and expectations than upon anyone else.
President Obama sincerely seems to be trying to find SOME good in every person he contacts, in hope that he can draw out that good as a transformative influence. That used to be called a sign of greatness.
Posted by: Jordan | April 8, 2009, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
The Seder commemorates a mirculous deliverence from slavery led by the great faith of Moses. After they escaped the Pharoah, he Hebrews roamed the dessert for forty years because people with a slave mentality could not enter the land of milk and honey where they were to live as free people. The Hebrews left the land of death, purified themselves in the dessert and then entered Canaan.
The last supper before Jesus was crucified was the celebration of the seder. But one may argue that while the Hebrews were physically freed by a miracle,Jesus freed mankind from spiritual bondage. Jesus moved from life into death and then resurrects.
These holidays take place while the world is moving from winter into spring. And can be interpreted and embraced many ways.
Posted by: maddymappo | April 8, 2009, 8:28 pm 8:28 pm
More dog and pony show.
Posted by: J.M.E. | April 8, 2009, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
I don’t want anyone to think I am diminishing the Sedar by my previous post; but it seems to me if he were doing it for the right reasons, why does it have to be a news item?
Posted by: J.M.E. | April 8, 2009, 9:04 pm 9:04 pm
I’m sure conspiracy theorists will make a mountain out of this small gesture of having a sedar, mainly to commemorate a moment the president and some of his staff shared a year ago at a Sheriton Inn in Harrisburg, PA. The whole joke of it seems to be lost on most of you guys. It’s that the seminal line from the sedar is “Next year in Jerusalem” and Obama said “Next year in the White House” and it happened for him.
So why not repeat the small gathering? It’s an homage to the roots of Christianity since the Last Supper was, in fact, a Passover Sedar.
Posted by: chabobba | April 8, 2009, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
He is respecting other’s choice of religion not disrespecting them. I celebrate passover with friends yet I am not Jewish. So what? It’s not disrespectful. In fact I think Jews would appreciate the coverage and respect just as all religions would respect it. Don’t be surprised to hear he celebrates Hannukah, Christmas, and Ramadan.
Posted by: amythystwillow | April 8, 2009, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
The duty of every person is to fulfill his/her responsibilities, honor his/her words whether toward his girlfriend, wife or children without considering the law or what someone else will or may think.
President Obama pledge in front of every American that he will be their president and asked for their trust and got it. Now he is honoring his engagement something that many people of this generation seems or are unable to understand.
We pray for you Mr. president and wish you good health and great success.
Posted by: Helmet.otoko | April 8, 2009, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
…is he just doing this because he was kissing up to Islam all week and telling the Turks that ‘we are no longer a Christian nation’??? I wonder if he’d be anywhere near the White House if you deducted all of his ‘Christian’ votes.
Posted by: Bill | April 8, 2009, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
Angie CA
First of all, I am not a liberal. I am a moderate independent. I renounced my republican party membership because they no longer had room for my views. I would have been pleasantly suprised and I would not presume to speak for liberals.
Bill
Your point is well taken, however, we are among the most diverse when it comes to religion. Shouldn’t all religion been represented by their president? We like many other nations have a growing population of other than christian citizens. I just firmly believe we should be celebrating all of them.
Posted by: Lou-NH | April 8, 2009, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm
And mullahs will be running all over
the White House come Ramadan. But
those dang Christians…they gotta
be put in their place.
Posted by: Trajan | April 9, 2009, 12:26 am 12:26 am
Enough people! I am Catholic my mother was Catholic,my father was raised Pentecostal, major bible thumpers. My father believed we should learn about other religions and we discussed them when we returned home. He had an amazing twist on religion even though he was raised with hell and damnation. He believed we all believe in the same God. As man traveled to spread the “word” it was translated to different religions therefore the God’s had different names., Budda, Mohammad, etc. We have celebrated holidays with many religions and enjoyed each moment. That said…Obama has not attended any service since he began to run for office. Now, someone commented that he can’t since he is Prez. That is crap. Bush attended services the day after his nomination and every Sunday while in the country. Clinton attended services. Obama says he is a Christian and he has plenty of time to spend millions of taxpayers dollars every time he/his wife steps on AirForce One and bowl, swim, even workout but no time for church. After all he “says” he is a Christian. Humm..he had plenty of visits with Wright. This guy is wishy washy. Diverting our problems here in the “home” land for new dogs, gardening and attended a Jewish ceremony. Plzzz
Posted by: Debbie-NC | April 9, 2009, 12:53 am 12:53 am
Will the Obamas also celebrate Pascha with all Orthodox Christians on April 19 or is it just non-Christian groups who get recognition now?
Posted by: Matushka Joanne-IN | April 9, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Hey Osama Bin Laden ! be creative please. Come up with an ” All Bomb Day ” and invite oBAMA TO ATTEND
Posted by: Swiftlearner | April 9, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Some of the folks on this blog claiming to be Jewish must be trying to fool us. It is a tradition in most Jewish households to invite non-Jews to their seder. Non Jews can also hold a seder as well. For some right wing nuts to claim that this is an insult to Jews just sounds like more Glen Beck-like kooks using this wonderful gesture by our President to smear him. All the leading Jewish organizations in the U.S. have issued statements applauding our great President for having the first seder ever in the White House.
Posted by: huntington | April 9, 2009, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
you republican can whine until the cow come home, it is what it is, a small jesture to commemorate the passover, the republican will try to make a mole hill out to a mountain top.
Posted by: gman | April 9, 2009, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
A small but very welcome gesture to the very small Jewish population in America. This needs to be a time of healing America’s rifts between party, race, and varying ideologies. All Americans must take part in this process. We will listen to you now far better than the previous administration listened to us. Take advantage of that and come together now for the sake of the entire country. Not you or me, country first.
Posted by: 4wantofknowledge | April 9, 2009, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm
One last thing. The Hate stops Here and Now, no time for it. Coulter–Limbaugh–Hannity, O’Reilly really need a vacation–about eight years of vacation.
Posted by: 4wantofknowledge | April 9, 2009, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm
I guess, as always,
separation of church and state only
applies to Christians.
Posted by: reaganfan | April 10, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
This Plantation Slave is a disgrace, but of course the lemming 78% of Jewish Americans who would have voted for Hitler had he been a Democrat are estatio. While he and Bozo Biden appease Islam and deliver lectures to Netanyahu.
Remember America – this Seder Host gave 900 mil of your money to Hamas.
Posted by: Alan | April 10, 2009, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
I give deference to Obama for havng the seder in the WH, given the number of Jews who hold positions in his admin.
However…
It is odd that one week, he is among his muslim friends in Turkey, bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia, then the next he is having a seder in the WH. He is something to all people, white,black, christian,jew, muslim…
Like some stalinist father figure to all.
If he starts speaking fluent spanish and wearing a beret, that will seal the deal.
Posted by: J house | April 12, 2009, 12:19 am 12:19 am