Obama Denies U.S. Involvement in Bolivian Assassination Plot

Excuse me, but please explain what is so bizarre about this incident?
It isn’t like US involvement in a plot like this is unprecedented.
We do know that the US is involved with the opposition there.
We don’t have any proof of US involvement in this plot at this time, except President Obama;s rather carefully phrased denial.

We have done similar things in the past, and the CIA does do things we, including the president, do not find out about. I hope we are not involved an these types of activities.

Bolivia does not strike me as a country where truth in government counts as the holy-of-holies. One must take anything they say with a grain of salt and to really look at how they benefit from events that occur… Something stinks in this whole attempt on Morale’s life…

Governments aren’t the only people who attempt to assisinate and coup. Private interest groups, outside Bolivia are a reasonable possibility.
Frederick Forsyth, the author of ‘Dogs of War’ pulled in material from a coup attempt he was part of earlier.
Sir Mark Thatcher, The son of former UK Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, was fined 4 years ago by the British government for his role in an attempted coup in Equatorial Guinea.
These were not government sponsored events.

Cheney was probably on a hunting expedition and Ted Kennedy was driving.
Whoops

We don’t have any proof of US involvement in this plot at this time, except President Obama;s rather carefully phrased denial.
“his administration was not involved”
Are we supposed to assume from what Obama DIDNT say that this was in fact a plot cooked up by the Bush administration? That is certainly what it sounds like to me.
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Boy you are desperate aren’t you?

Why is the presid4ent respond to nut cases at a news conference? Give me a break just more clowns trying to embarrass us. You try to be nice and see what it gets you.

I WISH OUR PRESIDENT WOULD STOP ANSWERING THESE FOOL THINGS… IT IS MAKING AMERICANS LOOK REALLY WEAK…
How does this help us? He needs to say simply WE don’t as Americans do these things. This is MORE than just HIS ADMINISTRATION… Is he our President or is He his President!??????

“We don’t have any proof of US involvement in this plot at this time, except President Obama;s rather carefully phrased denial.”
Against the possibility that other dolts may take that denial as “proof” of such a plot, if president Obama is not willing to deny unequivocally that it ever took place then it is incumbent on him to undertake an investigation of what would have been a serious crime. But he won’t, because he knows it didn’t happen.

“PORT-OF-SPAIN, Trinidad — President Barack Obama on Sunday suggested that Cuba release its political prisoners…”
That oughta do it. Problem is, not having read some of the comments here, Obama seems unaware that Cuba doesn’t have any political prisoners.

The Facebook of the Irish guy who was killed has been taken down. He was working for a ‘security’ company which sent him to Bolivia for ‘training’.
Back in January, Facebook took down pages of a group that was formed to look for a gunman to assassinate Morales. “All in jest’ of course.

I don’t think Obama has had time to conjure up an assassination plot against anyone right now…
If he does, I hope it would be against Bin Laden.

This wouldn’t be the first thing Obama lied about. American’s cannot trust him why would foreigners?

Does anyone honestly think our president moonlights as a part-time political assassin? No, that’s what our various intelligence agencies are for.
There are no coincidences in politics.
Obama was blackmailed with this to absolve the CIA of any prosecution over torture; in exchange, they sacrificed the kill team to the Bolivian authorities.
THAT is why their president asked Obama if the US was involved, because he knew we were. The killers had weapons and explosives unavailable in the country– how do you suppose they got them- Fed-Ex?
Tom Clancy, your next novel is calling…

“During the Bush era it was clearly established that they had a policy of political hits being legit if they so chose.”
Was that clearly established? How and when? Who was hit?
“He was working for a ‘security’ company which sent him to Bolivia for ‘training’. Back in January, Facebook took down pages of a group that was formed to look for a gunman to assassinate Morales.”
Wow–that’s proof enough for me. Connect those obvious dots, and it’s clear Bush had a hit out on Morales. (Why are there quote marks around “security” and “training?”)

President Obama said: “”I just want to be absolutely clear that I am absolutely opposed and condemn any efforts at violent overthrows of democratically elected governments — wherever it happens in the hemisphere,” Obama said”
That means: “I’m not into assinations like that, I can’t vouch for Bush/Cheney”

“Do you think anyone in the Pentagon or Army is involved in this equipment procurement and testing? Any chance they see issues you don’t and have fed that info to Gates for his review and involvement?”
Just as the goofball left blamed Bush for inadequate armor, I now choose to blame Obama. Doesn’t that seem fair? Or do you concede that it was unfair to blame Bush?

I predict that Morales will not be in office much longer. There are definitely western influences at work here that will not tolerate his stubbornness in regards to the Lithium resources in Bolivia. The country has approximately 50%, if not more, of all lithium reserves on the planet and it is a key ingredient/component in the batteries that power hybrid cars, electric cars, laptop batteries, cell phone batteries, etc. The demand is too great for the West to be denied this soon to be precious resource.

That’s interesting Roman Porkat. I doubt Morales is interested in strangling lithium consumers, he would naturally want to sell it for $$.
But I don’t doubt there are others not resident to Bolivia who want to pirate that resource themselves.

The leader of the Santa Cruz separatists is a Croat, who fled the city after the incident, and his whereabouts are unknown.
Santa Cruz is surrounded by settlements of Croats, who escaped from Europe after the 2nd WW, where they were allies of Hitler.

What happened to “open and honest government”? Obama had no problem spilling secrets for interrogations of terrorist, why the problem just to admit this?

What I think most American understand but the Republic fail to admit eventhough they know is that Obama is always succesful at what he sets out to do..and that is because he thinks it through with advisers etc before making a decision. I don’t believe Obama is into assassination of president and leaders..that is not his style..but if it were..the bolivian president would not be around to talk about it..Did you guys saw how he ran his campaign..the likes of which we have never seen in American politics before! If the United States really attempted to assissinated the Bolivian president it was not under Obama’s watch. Someonelse’s but I do not believe the United States tried to assassinate the Bolivian president..I think he needs a head check.

The fact of the matter is that president Obama is incredibly bright and intelligent..In my opinion..he is the intelligent president that we have ever had..He is a thinker and a consensus builder..and understands the importance of diplomacy to bringing countries together to work for the common good of every one. I suspect that even his naysayers are aware of how intelligent and bright the guy is but they cannot help themselves to criticize him everyday. Obama is no Jesus but even Jesus who was a perfect man on earth had critics..Me think they were frustrated Republicans!

“…you believe nothing may happen without the US…”
Au bloody contraire, my friend. We think all sorts of things can happen without the US. Things like the Nazis overrunning Europe, the Japanese overrunning Southeast Asia, the Soviet Empire enslaving Eastern Europe for nearly half a century, a plague of AIDS in Africa, and much, much more.
Of course, none of the remedies for these ills seems to happen without the US, but I suppose that’s another story.

“He is a thinker and a consensus builder..and understands the importance of diplomacy to bringing countries together to work for the common good of every one. I suspect that even his naysayers are aware of how intelligent and bright the guy is but they cannot help themselves to criticize him everyday.”
On what has he built a consensus, and among whom? In what respect has his diplomacy brought Iran, North Korea and Syria together to work for the benefits of all countries? Apart from those three in particular, what other countries has he brought together to work for the common good? France, Germany or Russia, all three of him gave him nothing whatsoever that he asked for on his recent trip to Europe?
I’d be more prepared to believe he was intelligent and bright if I could see his transcripts from Columbia and the Harvard Law School, but he won’t let anyone see them. And regardless of what those transcripts might show, no one can seriously suggest that he is as intelligent as John Quincy Adams, Abraham Lincoln, or even Bill Clinton, to name but a few.

“To be an extremely good president you just have to do every thing opposite the policies of the Republican party..”
You mean, for example, their policies with respect to deficit spending? In proposing to double the national debt in four years and triple it in ten, is Obama acting exactly opposite to the Republicans?

t hill,
The 1.8 trillion dollars would be used to stimulate the economy. You don’t have to be rocket scientist to know that you have to invest money to make money and stimulate a fledgling econony. Your great ruler George Bush left the economy in ruins and Obama is trying to fix it. Now mr t hill, if you were president that inherited the great deficit what would you have done otherwise? Most of you critics have no alternative plan..you just talk a good talk.

Here’s a list of modern President that I don’t like: Nixon, Carter, Bush 1, Rush 2, Obama. The President that I somehow like JFK, Reagan, Clinton.

Stanley,
Obama “inherited” a deficit of $569 billion, the rest of the $1.8 trillion is all his.
“U.S. budget gap grows to $569 billion”
(1st 4 months of the current fiscal year. Oct.’08 through Jan.’09)
Now you ask what I would do, let the market work itself out. It’s called Capitalism, something a little Socialist like you wouldn’t understand. I don’t owe you or any of your Socialist Buddies a dime.
Now again, other than spending $1.8 trillion and giving Roman Style speeches, what has Obama done?

“…you believe nothing may happen without the US…”
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I believe, as apparently do most people, that Cuba could not and cannot build a successful economy without the US.

“Obama is the brightest, most intelligent president that America have had so far! bar none!..that is a fact!”
Fact? Where is the evidence of this supposed fact? How did he do at Columbia? Why won’t he tell us?

t hill,
I am not a socialist but if I were I would be a proud one. Every political concept is idealistic..not is perfect! Capitalism isn’t nor are Socialism or Communism but each has some tenets that are good. Now, Mr t hill I hope you do not accept social security after your retirement because the fact is social security is a tenet of socialism..so is medicaid. I think it would be a good thing if all you critics of Obama who call him a socialist would refuse to accept social security..that may be good for America. You guys like to throw around words like socialism and liberal. What is quite refreshing to me is that most of America are not moved by that rhetoric anymore.

“the fact is social security is a tenet of socialism.”
No it’s not. It’s money returned to people who have paid taxes into the Social Security system. If you didn’t pay into it, you don’t get the money.

t hill,
Social security is a tenet of socialism..you know it is…that is why its called “SOCIAL” security. You did not answer my question..relative to a balanced budget and surplus. You Republicans just keep dancing the issues..what is interesting is that the more frustrated you get as a result of Obama growing popularity and your parties inevitable demise..the more you dance..keep on dancing!

Morales didn’t get enough attention during the Summit of the Americas or enough air or journalism time alongside Obama. So on the last day of the Summit he makes sure when we search for “Obama Summit of the Americas” his name and his low profile country during the Summit is sure to come up on the internet..juvenile.. but effective.

The recent polls suggest that most of America support president Obama’s policies. That is refreshing to know! So the critics on this and other blog sites are indeed in the minority..That is a good thing.

Fascist Hyena,
Pleas avoid dancing around! Can you name on Republican president that left office with our country experiencing a balanced budget and a surplus?

Stanley, you haven’t answered any of my questions. Let’s start with this one: is a balanced budget important to you? Is a surplus important to you?
If so, how do you grade Mr. Obama on those two subjects?

“The recent polls suggest that most of America support president Obama’s policies.”
Not nearly as decisively as they supported those of both G.H.W. Bush and George Bush at various times in their presidencies. His approval rating at this point in his presidency is identical to that of Bush II at this time. So much for polls…

Stanley,
Darn right I would still criticize him the same way the liberals and socialist like you always criticized President Bush no matter what he did. Obama’s not getting a free ride from me.
Now why don’t you tell me what Obama has done other than waste $1.8 trillion of taxpayers money and give speeches?

“…Obama to clean it up in four months without investing any money to stimulate the dying economy.”
You don’t seem to grasp the difference between spending and investing. Has spending federal taxpayer dollars on education ever resulted in any return on investment at all? In what respect would imposing a $600 billion carbon tax constitute an investment? What is a government “investment” in healthcare?
To the extent that a budget deficit was the fault of George Bush, Obama has immediately set out to make it much worse.

“Most economist said that something had to be done to stimulate the economy…”
Most economists have said that his three major initiatives–health care, green energy and education–will do nothing at all to stimulate the economy. I know of not a single economist who says they will; if you find one, let me know.

fascist hyena,
You said you would not have allowed millions of Americans to lose their jobs within three months of your presidency..so you blame Obama for that..okay! How would you have done that without investing some money! And for you information the stimulus bill is an investment! You Republican call it spending..its an investment to stimulate the weak economy that your George Bush left to Obama.

Stanley & Young-Voter:
As others have stated, Calvin Coolidge was the last. However, I think that the advice of another Republican President is even more important–particularly with our situation today…
1. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
2. You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
3. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
4. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
5. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
6. You cannot keep out trouble by spending more than your income.
7. You cannot further brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
8. You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
9. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man’s initiative and independence.
10. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.
If that’s not sound advice, then I don’t know what is. Really people, get your heads out of La-La Land and come back to reality sometime soon before you spend your grand-children’s college funds on someone else or on some other cause you don’t even understand!

This is from one of the biggest RINOs in the US Senate, Lindsey Graham, “The stimulus bill and the omnibus bill together have spent more money in 90 days than we did in Iraq, Afghanistan and Katrina combined.”
Obama sounds real responsible with taxpayer’s money.

t hill,
I meant to ask..”How come you are not the president”. You guys seem to think you have all the answers. Mr Obama is an incredibly bright man who listens to experts before making a decision. It is refreshing to have a bright, articulate and intelligent individual for our president. May God bless his service to our nation.

Stanley,
Obama can listen to advisors all he wants…reality check: ALL Presidents do that. Reagan who you so unfairly trashed counted three Nobel Laureates among his supporters.
Thought you ought to know before dabbling in things you do not understand…

To answer your question even though you never answered mine. The Iraq War, not Afghan included, is approx $657 billion and Obama, yes Obama, just requested approx $80 billion more.
Don’t forget that for every bit of money spent in wars there is a product or service created that stimulate the economy in jobs and spending by the workers. In WW2 it was a 3 to 1 stimulant.
As for Iraq being unjustified, I guess if one believes 18 UN resolutions should be ignored then it was unjustified.

Stanley,
It is a dangerous assumption to make that being the minority as a Republican somehow makes me wrong. In fact, it is mass ideology that should be more frequently questioned.
“It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.”
– Giordano Bruno

Disgusted Republican,
It is not because you are in the minority that make you wrong..it is because your party have messed up (for want of a more civil sounding term)our economy and have damaged our relationships around the world and have caused the world to lose respect for America..the world looks to America for leadership and your great leader messed it up big time..and in so doing also messed up our economy…My friend! trickle down economics does not work..let me repeat..it does not work..George Bush Sr refered to it as voodoo economics. The Republican party caters for the rich and judgemental..not the average middle class and poor Americans who are in the majority. The Republican party is bad for America..is the Democrat all good! NO..but it is the better of the two evil when you look at the whole pictur..I am an independent voter..Right now the Democratic party is best for America!

Stanley,
While we’re on the topic of America’s public image with the rest of the world, let’s look at the way that we currently appear to South America. A former coworker of mine is an immigrant from Peru. During the election, he was VERY nervous about Obama becoming President. Apparently, in Peru there is a great degree of speculation about everything from his religion to his prospective policies regarding terrorists. Before you say anything, I DO NOT believe nearly half of what people say about Saint Obama. However, I DO think it’s important to know what other countries think about him…obviously, not everyone is so willing to cast him with wings and a halo. Since other nations do seem to distrust him, that means that they now also distrust us. Bush may have gotten us Middle-Eastern hatred but Obama is getting us South-American hatred. Frankly, they’re closer…

PS: I’M NOT RICH!!! Frankly, neither are all Republicans. I’m just a realist who knows that stealing money from people who earned it fair and square is NOT going to imporve my condition any or keep me from being poor.

Stanley,
Earlier I posted Lincoln’s guidelines…perhaps you should reread them…
And Obama only “looks up to Lincoln” because he picked a popular President that would have iconology to the masses….because what have we learned Stanley?
The masses are ignorant!!!!!

Okay stanley, I’ll take the bait-
No, can’t name a single Republican President that left a budget surplus.
But…if the question is ‘does lowering the marginal income tax rate increase revenues?’, then what happened in the Reagan and Bush 43 admins answers the question.
Revenue went UP after the tax cuts.
The PROBLEM is that SPENDING also went up, that is why they ran deficits.
This is a FACT you cannot deny.
I fully blame both Republican Presidents for that, but I also understand why they did it (along with Congress, which actually authorizes all of the spending).
The problem with this President is that he doesn’t want to be honest about it (yet). He has requested trillions in new spending with no way to pay for it (and the rich can’t make all of it up, either). He is going to have to find another way if we ever get near a surplus again.
I can think of a few he or Congress will try-
*Raise the fed gasoline tax
*’Carbon tax’ on electricity and fuel
*Increase the payroll tax
*Increase the marginal tax rate for income earners $100k and above (believe me, it will come)

Stanley,
Have you reread them yet? I’d love to know how any of those things make him a Democrat. Those are however the things that make him a true Republican. Our party image has been corrupted as of late by people like you who refuse to even see what we stand for before casting judgement. Instead, you label us as racist, rich thieves. Frankly, history does not support you in making those assertions. It was Democrats who passed racist legislation–which you also conveniently ignored earlier. It is Democrats who are just as rich–look at Congress or look at Hollywood and that one’s painfully obvious. And it is a Democratic President who will be thieving my hard-earned money. However, it is a Republican–namely myself–who WON’T be begging money off of him when he does it because I have more morals and morivation than that!
And as for Rush, you can say what you want to about him but at least he’s honest about who he is and what he stands for…unlike some people we all know…

Mister Hat:
We answered Stanley’s specific question regarding economic policy. That doesn’t make Coolidge the last fiscally responsible Republican. It just makes him one who fit Stanley’s naive definition of fiscally responsible.
…Nice try though…

Disgusted_Repbulican
you said:
“Our party image has been corrupted as of late by people like you who refuse to even see what we stand for before casting judgement”
lets see,.. Republicans ran Sarah Pallin for Vice President and you suggest that no one understands what Republicans stand for?
Republicans are represented by Michelle Bachman, Ms. ‘we need armed insurrection against the federal government, Gov. Perry, the new secessionist……
lest we forget , Santorum, Gingrich, DeLay,
‘W’, Cheney, Rove, Bob Dornan, Jean Schmidt,
Bohener, Cantor, Chambliss, Vitter…. so many more
Republicans bow to the ‘religious right’, and despite their cries of less government are quite willing to mandate ‘creation science’ in public schools as well as interfering in personal family matters like the Terri Schiavo incident.
Republican party image is well established, and understood, and it has been exposed for the fraud it represents.

Disgusted Republican,
Somewhere in the inner sanctum of your frontal lobe you are convinced that I am a Democrat..I am not! have never been and will never be. I am an independent voter who vote interest and not party. I have voted for Moderate Republicans in the past. People who vote only party are tunneled visioned and are not objective thinkers.

Dewde,
Well said! I could not have said it better myself. The Republican party is a joke and is bad for America.

Stanley,
thanx, ……it’s amazing, how hard Republican revisionists are attempting to erase the last 8 years of Republican rule…. certainly they have good reason to continue trying to fool America, no doubt there will always be about 30% of the electorate who will always vote Republican no matter how extensive the damage they do to America……

Dewde,
Thank you for the informative discourse! Whether we are Republicans, Democrats or Independents..first and foremost is the fact that we are Americans. I pray the Obama would do well because if he does we all shall be beneficiaries and I believe that a Government’s job among other things is to deliver to its people (Education, healthcare, jobs etc).Good night to all and God bless America!

Disgusted Republican,
I will answer your 10 points that you addressed to Stanley & Young Voter.
1. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
In order to get back to prosperity we, as a nation, have to get capitol moving again. You cannot achieve prosperity by having capitol and credit frozen because everyone is sitting on it. All economists agree on that.
2. You cannot help small men by tearing down big men.
Interesting. What makes one-man small, and another big? Is it only money that counts? In my opinion, someone who loves and nourishes his family may be bigger than someone who makes a lot of money. Also someone who helps other people, like teachers and police, are very big, even though they don’t make lots of money.
3. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
Come on, you are repeating yourself. This is the same thing you said in item 2, only using different words.
4. You cannot lift the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.
This is based on the very hopeful premise that if a wage payer makes more money, he will pay more. Unfortunately, all too often this is not the case. Often wage payers will not pass on even a small portion of higher profits, even though the worker had a lot to do with those increased profits. Like it or not, workers are better off due to the existence of unions.
5. You cannot help the poor man by destroying the rich.
I don’t think the rich are being destroyed. Obama just wants to bring them back to the taxes they paid under Clinton, when the economy was booming and everybody was doing well.
6. You cannot keep out trouble by spending more than your income.
I agree with this. I for one have no debts. But unfortunately Obama has to spend in order to clean up the mess that the Bush administration left us.
7. You cannot further brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
True. But it is equally true that you cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class disdain. Too often, the rich show total lack of respect and lack of caring for those “beneath them”.
8. You cannot establish security on borrowed money.
Maybe this is true, but for better or worse capitalist economy is totally dependant on credit in order to function. This is equally true under democratic or republican administrations.
9. You cannot build character and courage by taking away man’s initiative and independence.
Also true. Many people were loosing some of their independence under the Bush regime, but now they have regained some control over their destiny.
10. You cannot help men permanently by doing for them what they could and should do for themselves.
In other words we should all think for ourselves. Never have talking heads like Limbaugh and Hannity think for us.

A pack of carnivores and a heard grazers will never come to a meeting of the minds. Man seems to be the only animal that has both carnivores and grazers. The grazer’ learns nothing from observation; they persist in asserting that if you are nice to the carnivores they will turn into grazers. There are both “liberal” and “conservative” carnivores and grazers. The carnivores are really the same pack feeding off the grazers while the two groups of grazers argue about the best way to turn the carnivores into grazers.

All I have to say is the photo of the BO shaking a dictator’s hand and smiling is disturbing and shows his tendencies to respect for the type of leader he wants to become. It sends a message to all the free world that we will oppress you. And Stanley, its liberals like you that will keep the Conservative Republicans alive and well. All are welcome to our party, but when you have a black candidate running, and blacks are racist and stick together, then no, you won’t see many over here. BO could have been running in the communist or nazi party and 99% of blacks would have voted for him anyway. Besides who would you vote for… someone who wants you to work for what you get… or someone who promises to entitle you to the wealth of others, freebies, reparations?

Who taught all these political pundits that our US foreign policy has anything whatsoever to do with our president pretending to be a Republican or Democrat? The two-party system is a fraud meant to offer an illusion of change every 4-8 years. They have virtually the same agenda, and differ only in trifles with no importance to them.
Look at the past 100 years– has our federal government done anything but grown larger and more costly in that time? Both parties have gotten us into and out of wars, both have eliminated civil rights, both lie, cheat and steal. Both parties spend far more than we as a nation can afford.
Politics isn’t some dark art or magic– it is cheap theatrics meant to distract the masses. It is people with power seeking personal advantage at our expense. Everything else is advertising.
The sooner we realize this, the sooner we can address and resolve the underlying problems with our form of government.
Our Founders KNEW that leaders with power would invariably abuse that power– and it makes zero difference which

I don’t believe that there was a plot against Evo Morales! It’s just a story that Chavez probably told him to make it up so thay can have all the attention focused on them! That stupid Chavez loves the limelight! You saw what he did with that book that he gave Obama!

Obama should not waste his time even thinking about Evo Morales! He is a nobody! More like a puppet!

CORRECTION: Obama’s TELEPROMPTER denied involvement