POTUS on AF1 incident: ‘Mistake … Won’t Happen Again’

Oh-oh…the fly-over and teleprompter faux paus in same day? Now that 100 days are nearly over, will he PLEASE stop making nearly hourly statements? I am sick of it.

Caldera also planned a military excercise alongside the photo op that is why the panic lasted for 30 minutes.
If Bush had done this the press would be saying why isn’t the person responsible for this being replaced.
The fact that Caldera was involved with a bank that collapsed last year and was hired would have set off alarm bells with the press if this had happened under bush.
At today’s white house breifing they would be saying why isn’t he being fired.
Obama isn’t being open. He isn’t announcing directly to the public the decision he made not to fire the person who was responsible for this.

It great to finally have someone in the White House who can actually admit when his administration makes mistakes.
Get over it haters…it’s a new day!

This is just bull obama had no business letting that happen yesterday, This many needs to find a bananna republic to run not the US

The President found out about it when WE did???? You mean this President has some failings ??? Can you imagine if a President Hillary Clinton or a John McCain had said that ??

Misty, get a grip. John McCain didn’t know the difference between Sunnis and shiaas. John McCain said the “fundamentals of our economy are strong” last September. Get a grip.

Are we really supposed to believe that the POTUS only heard about this when we did?

“I’m furious–end of story”
Obama is a joke and so are those who defend his incompetence.
At what point do even his own supporters get tired of the huge blunders that are piling up?

Just stupid, pure and simple. The
side story is that it is a ridiculous
waste of tax payers money.

It’s clear Republicans (e.g. George Will ,Ann Coulter ,Rush Limbaugh ,Fox Propaganda Network ,etc) don’t have much that is substantive or meaningful to contribute to the current political discussion .
Republicans = ignored for at least the next 3.5 years.
Get your act together ,come up with some REASONABLE BIPARTISAN SOLUTIONS ,then you MIGHT get some attention.
Crying and whining and passing the buck responsibility -wise is not going to cut it . Grow up or be left out.

But Louis Caldera is the only one capable of doing his job.
No one else in the world can do Caldera’s job.
He is as vital as tax cheat Tim Geithner.

oh my god do you republicans just wait for Obama to make a mistake get a life and do something constructive instead of bitching about everything he does. Bush did alot worse but its over with we now have a new president that is doing his best for what was left over from Bush. I for one back our president and so should you people that have nothing better to do than blog. EJ

D’OHBAMA!

Interesting-usually the anti-Obama crabbing shows up early morning on most blogs, the counter statements by his supporters show up later in the day. So, either the anti-Obama crowd is retired, non-working slackers, or putting in their gripes while on the job (dishonest). The counter statements coming from the center and left are the people who work and pay taxes and get on their pc once they get home.

I can bet that those of you who are sooooo upset about that plane over New York haven’t spent one minute denouncing the fact that thousands of Americans have been killed or injured because Bush took us into Iraq on a calculated and purposeful lie. Give your outrage a little perspective!

With operating costs over $60,000.00 per hour to fly Air Force One it would have only seemed reasonable to do that fly-over during an actual use of the plane rather than just a dry run for no apparent reason. Air Force One doesn’t need exercise. With all that has happened surrounding 911 it should have been noted publicly in the media. The American public should have been notified so all could share and enjoy the photo op.

Arlen Specter just switched parties. He joins millions of other lifelong Republicans who have said “ENOUGH” to the Bush/Limbaugh/Hannity sector of the party that has held the GOP hostage and is driving it into the ground. You screamers on this board may want to take notice…

To all lefties whining that bush sucks so it doesnt matter what obama did yesterday:
Think about this:
Since a few months after 9/11, the Dems have consistently vilified Bush for using RHETORIC which caused Americans to be afraid. On and on and on, Bush is the devil because he used rhetoric which caused fear.
Now we have Obama, within the first 100 days, STRIKING ACTUAL FEAR OF DEATH FROM TERRORIST ATTACK IN THE HEARTS OF AMERICANS, CAUSING PANIC IN THE STREETS OF NYC AND BUILDING EVACUATIONS.
that is ACTUAL fear. Caused by Obama. ACTUAL FEAR OF DEATH.
Somehow lefties can’t find the strength of character to criticize the Dear Leader Obama for doing more to strike ACTUAL FEAR OF DEATH FROM TERRORIST ATTACK INTO THE HEARTS OF AMERICANS THAN BUSH DID FROM 9/11 TO PRESENT.
GREAT JOB OBAMA!
GOOD THING YOU BROUGHT SUCH INTELLIGENCE AND ACUMEN TO THE OVAL OFFICE SO AS TO SIMULATE A TERRORIST ATTACK ON NYC !!!!!!

Arlen Spector a Democrat. Only a
formality. No loss.

we have air force one scaring new yorkers, a swine flue outbreak, ecomonic crisis and where is president Obama well he is playing golf or searching for his telepromter.

Do the lefties on here not care that Obama’s Air Force One photo op caused hundreds of thousands of Americans in NYC to fear for their lives and think another 9/11 was happening?
Do you lefties really have such a ideological blinder on that you think this doesnt matter?

Bravo for Obama, he understands that he works for the people. He also understands that he he is accountable to the people. His apology proves that. How things have changed! Case in point “Mission Accomplished” photo-op. Amen!

“Do the lefties on here not care that Obama’s Air Force One photo op caused hundreds of thousands of Americans in NYC to fear for their lives and think another 9/11 was happening?”
Hundreds of thousands, huh? LOL. Okay. Just like those tea-baggers, huh?

The commander in chief can’t coordinate a useless PR stunt with any tact or respect at all…with 2 planes. We should all be safe right b/c this administration doesn’t believe in that terrorism exists.
I’m affraid for the country.

this spector thing is clearly timed to take the media off this story and has been a fait accompli for weeks.
More Obama media control, and more lefties lapping it up.

I see the Democrats convinced Arlen Specter to switch parties today.
Now the media can focus on him.
Where is Distraction Dog?

“Do the lefties on here not care that Obama’s Air Force One photo op caused hundreds of thousands of Americans in NYC to fear for their lives and think another 9/11 was happening?”
Hundreds of thousands, huh? LOL. Okay. Just like those tea-baggers, huh?
Posted by: Silky | Apr 28, 2009 12:25:47 PM
Silky – there are 10 million people in that area, and those on the streets were panicking and running for a good 10 minutes. 100′s of buildings with thousands of workers were evacuated.
Yes, hundreds of thousands, AT LEAST, IF NOT MILLIONS, were scared to death by President Obama yesterday.
And he says:
Uhhh…..im furious…uh…im sorry…..i didnt knwo about what MY WHITE HOUSE WAS DOING.
Sounds a lot like the false AIG outrage.
This presidency is a joke.

and this guys president great he knew when we did wonderful.

Why is it that every time the White House under Obama makes a unforgivable error (the 9/11 simulation flyover, AIG bonuses) someone OTHER than Obama is at fault?
AIG – Geinter did it
flyover panicking NYC – Louie C. did it.
Obama is not a leader, he passes the buck like the average associate attorney.
what a joke.

And I’m pretty sure that the 10 million people who live in the Tri-State area don’t all work in Jersey City, Newark or Battery Park.

And another thing about this photo-op disaster. Yes it was unfortunate and insensitive to N.Y. regarding 911 but Obama has owned up to it with his apology. Now let’s compare George W. Bush and his “Mission Accomplished” photo-op disaster. Since Bush’s milked every second of his aircraft carrier landing and staged speech over 5,000 American soldiers have died. No apology ever from Bush. Sure Bush lamented that he wish he had done it differently but never an apology. America is a much better place with the neo-con nut jobs out of power. God Bless America, coming from me that means a lot!

Obama said this will never happen again whats next? oh i need my telepromter.
WHERES MY TELEPROMTER?

bailey:”At what point do even the die hard BO supporters feel embarrassed trying to defend this guy?”
Probably sometime after Republicans quit trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. I wait breathlessly next weeks scandal, perhaps it will be a shocker about how Obama didn’t know presidential limo #4 might run over a beloved kitten while enroute to a parade in Vermont.

“I saw the video of New Yorkers evacuating and running for cover from their office buildings…”
Where did you see video of people evacuating?

hopesprings52:”This was an outrageous mistake. Obama should can the bozo that gave the go-ahead for this.”
I place the blame on the local authorities or no one. The New York Mayors office WAS NOTIFIED IN ADVANCE. The New York Police Department WAS NOTIFIED IN ADVANCE. These local authorities raised no concerns – the mayoral aide didn’t even feel it necessary to notify the mayor.
If there was incompetence, it was at the local level. They were properly notified and given a chance to raise any concerns. It’s their job to identify contingencies like this and they missed it entirely.

Actually I would like to know where Joe Biden was yesterday. I bet Obama wanted to know his where a bouts when he heard about this too. “AF1 is WHAT? WHERES JOE!”

Silky…F14′s were in Top Gun…therfore they musta been part of the Air Force. :)
I’d like to see every person that was involved with planning that mission to be paraded thru the middle of NYC carrying a sign saying “I’m as dumb as I look…sorry NYC” Guess who leading the way!

If the president schedules AF One, then I guess he also determines when the limosine goes off property for oil changes and maintenance…at least so goes the Limbaugh-Loving logic. LOL.

this administration doesnt want to say that Obama was playing golf when the fly over happen i wonder if he bothered to look up and see air force one there waving to him. thats my plane way to go!

iceman: leading that parade would be Caldera.

“Silky…F14′s were in Top Gun…therfore they musta been part of the Air Force. :)”
Top Gun is a Navy program.

Photo Shop and a clever graphic artist could have managed to pull this photo off without scaring thousands of people.

Diversion, diversion, diversion!!!
All these things we are hearing are just diversions from what is actually happening in the government. We are worrying about this kind of bs and not the real important stuff. Does anyone know: isn’t the health care
program to be approved within the next 48 hours?

“…the locals were ordered to keep the flight classified under penalty of federal prosecution.”
Gee, thanks thetruth. Did not realize that you obviously have a top secret clearance and access to this information. You must be a big wheel in the CIA? NSA? Homeland Security?

Give me an intellectual break. Obama knew of this. Does anyone really think that one the presidential aircrafts could be taken out without his knowledge?

IT IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE WILLIAM. WSJ:
As secret missions go, this one was a flop.
On Monday morning, one of the 747s used to ferry around the U.S. president was dispatched to the Statue of Liberty, escorted by a fighter jet. Assignment: Get some fresh glamour shots of the plane.
The Air Force said the flight needed to remain confidential. So while New York police knew about it, as did at least one person in the mayor’s office, regular New Yorkers remained in the dark.

This stunt was so incredibly dumb that even the MSM couldn’t ignore it.
But they conveniently ignored BO using 9,000 gallons of fuel on Earth Day just to give a 20 minute speech.

There is no way this was a photo-op. What? Did they have some guy on the ground taking pics with a 35mm camera? Something very serious was going on, and the Whitehouse is covering it up. So is the media.
Posted by: T Hanks | Apr 28, 2009 11:56:20 AM
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This was a payoff to Obama donors. Obama needs to release the list of those on board so that we know who the taxpayers are reimbursing for their support of Obama!
Obama needs to come clean and release the list…if he can!!

the Truth:”HEY, LEFTY GENIUS, THE LOCALS WERE ORDERED TO KEEP THE FLIGHT CLASSIFIED UNDER PENALTY OF FEDERAL PROSECUTION. ”
They did NOT make a single comment of concern about the upcoming flyby. None of them – local New York residents – saw any potential problem. If the police chief had said “bad idea” to the Air Force, this would have been canceled on the spot.

MNM:”This was a payoff to Obama donors. Obama needs to release the list of those on board so that we know who the taxpayers are reimbursing for their support of Obama!”
Right on! And the Republicans need to quit hiding the list of donors on that 2004 flyby of Mt Rushmore! Why are they still refusing to come clean about Bush’s payoff to donors? Was one of the Bin Laden clan on that flight? Taxpayers paid for that flight over North Dakota, why won’t Republicans come clean about who was on board? We have the pictures of it, we know it happened, what are Republicans hiding?

Tapper.. Why us is it that when crap hits the fan with this guy he always finds out at the same time as the outraged. Is he that clueless?? Yeah I am so sure that he didn’t know that 1 of his 2 planes were not in the hanger. He is making friends with despots one day and scaring the day lights out of Americans on another. This guy is a running joke…

“It had a classified footnote that said “information in this document shall not be released to the public or the media.”"
LOL. The footnote was classified, huh? You’re killing me, smalls.

The Air Force is not in the habit of making route vectors public information.

Obama was completely in the dark once again.
I feel safer.

Lynn, I had two repsonses to your post which required no response, but both were denied by the site filter.

stupid stupid stupid…

Obama completes them.

Who was the idiot that even suggested flying Airforce over ground zero? And these are our leaders? Great.

Jake: Please put some investigative reports on this and find out who was on board and why. If I could do it I would.

Everyone was angry about this incident and no one, especially those of us who support President Obama, found it hilarious. It definitely was stupid and I am sure the President did not know about it and didn’t approve it. He needs to get rid of the guy who authorized it, and why would the FAA keep it quiet except to tell NYPD? They should have made it public to avoid all the panic. Fortunately, no one died from this fiasco–unlike the fiasco in Iraq!

If it was Bush it would have been aired all day long and he would have been racked over the coals for a bonehead move. DOUBLE STANDARDS.

making light of the situation, i find it hilarious that obama dodged the question if they should get rid of louis caldera. i think they should, AND that WH rep who was stumbling over his words when he was asked about the incident!

Not surprising Obama didn’t know what his people were doing- doesn’t seem like he knows much of what is going on with any of his appointees.

I believe Janet napolitano didn’t know about it because I doubt she knows there exists and AF1. There is NO WAY Obama didn’t know.

MSNBC said that President was doing an interview for jet magazine and they needed some shots of the president’s ride.
george
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Are you kidding me. Do you think that is an improvement.
So it was for Jet magazine, or it was a training mission , or it was to update file photo’s of Air Force One.
The ever changing story so that we don’t ask who was on board.
This was a donor / supporter 100 day victory lap at taxpayer expense.
Obama needs to release the manifest and the question will be easily answered.

I believe Pres. Obama did not know about this and yes I agree it was scary, I live in the NYC area, and I can imagine the fright people felt when they saw that plane…That being said the NYPD knew about it, why didn’t they say something to prevent it? AND like another blogger said people should be more upset over the fact that Bush sent thousands to Iraq to be killed and injured for no reason.

The liberal media will try to blamed this on Bush somehow.
I can hear olberman stupid comments now; “….eight years in the making and this time Mr. Bush, you have gone too far blah blah blah blah blah balh……”

maybe vera baker was on the plane

“What is all this crazy, silly panic all about???!”
It’s nice that kids who’ve been born since 9/11/01 are already getting on the Internet.
“They prefer tea-baggers.”
No, you do.

bush and cheney made obama mess this up. it’s not obama’s fault. bush and cheney have been sabotaging Obama’s ‘prompter when Obama was sleeping or busy petting the new dog. Obama coulnot help this mistake.We all need to stregthen our hatred of Bush/cheney. United we win.Changing the hope to beilive and what not. Bush and Cheney should be punished for this mistake. They make Obama look bad. They are bad and not hip or kool like Pres. Obama.

The best of NY Post’s very extensive list!
1. “Obama criticized pork barrel spending in the form of ‘earmarks,’ urging changes in the way that Congress adopts the spending proposals. Then he signed a spending bill that contains nearly 9,000 of them, some that members of his own staff shoved in last year when they were still members of Congress. ‘Let there be no doubt, this piece of legislation must mark an end to the old way of doing business, and the beginning of a new era of responsibility and accountability,’ Obama said.”
3. This year’s budget deficit: $1.5 trillion.
4. Asks his Cabinet to cut costs in their departments by $100 million — a whopping .0027%!
And the list goes on and on. 100 points long, and the NYP could have added more to it.
11. The picture of Obama and Hugo Chavez shaking hands.
12. Hugo Chavez gave him the anti-American screed “The Open Veins of Latin America.” Obama didn’t remark upon it. At least it wasn’t DVDs.
And, of course:
20. “Yes, Canada is not Mexico, it doesn’t have a drug war going on. Nonetheless, to the extent that terrorists have come into our country or suspected or known terrorists have entered our country across a border, it’s been across the Canadian border. There are real issues there.” — Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. The 9/11 hijackers did not come across the Canada border.
And then there is this one:
24. Rasmussen finds 58% of Americans believe the Obama administration’s release of CIA memos endangers the national security of the United States.

I’m shocked that so many here think the President keeps tabs on the Air Force planes and day-to-day operations. No, the pair of planes designated as Air Force One aren’t parked outside the oval office so Obama can keep an eye on them. These planes can be anywhere at any given time and used for any reason. Do you really think Obama checks his blackberry regularly to monitor routine Air Force activities? He has a great big group of people, called the Air Force, to handle this information for him. The President is trying to manage the largest issues the world has faced in many decades, and to think he knew about the flyover beforehand is ridiculous. The person in Bloomberg’s office who didn’t bother telling the mayor needs to be flogged and fired, as well as the idiots in the Air Force who did not foresee the fear this event would inflict on the already traumatized New Yorkers.

It is NOT possible that this plane flew without Obama’s knowledge. Sorry!

“These planes can be anywhere at any given time and used for any reason.”
The hell they can. Just who do you think can order the President’s aircraft around?
The cleaning crew?

If Obama can’t blame Bush he will find someone else.

I’m shocked that so many here think the President keeps tabs on the Air Force planes and day-to-day operations. No, the pair of planes designated as Air Force One aren’t parked outside the oval office so Obama can keep an eye on them. These planes can be anywhere at any given time and used for any reason. Do you really think Obama checks his blackberry regularly to monitor routine Air Force activities? He has a great big group of people, called the Air Force, to handle this information for him. The President is trying to manage the largest issues the world has faced in many decades, and to think he knew about the flyover beforehand is ridiculous. The person in Bloomberg’s office who didn’t bother telling the mayor needs to be flogged and fired, as well as the idiots in the Air Force who did not foresee the fear this event would inflict on the already traumatized New Yorkers.
Posted by: Catherine | Apr 28, 2009 1:39:50 PM
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Do you really think that out of all the people that knew way ahead of time that BO and Bloomberg were the only 2 people that did not know? Get real.

So.. if it’s an accepted ‘fact’ here by some that Obama as president knows about everything happening by all staffers 24×7, no matter how far removed from his official duties….
it then follows that Bush knew and was complicit in torture policies that are illegal, and should be proscecuted….

But no, we will make a big deal out of nothing, people will scream and hem and haw until someone looses their job to appease all those that are so ‘fearful’ of any little thing out of place. Too bad all those same people do not put this kind of effort into taking care of our Veterans… maybe then they would not be living on the streets and struggling just to pay for food and a place to live. Could you imagine that!
But no, we will instead put all our efforts into some stupid story about this instead.
Posted by: Todd | Apr 28, 2009 1:43:09 PM
IF BUSH HAD DONE THIS YOU WOULD BE LEADING THE CHARGE TO CASTIGATE BUSH.
OBAMA’S SIMULATED 9/11 FLYOVER THE WTC ATTACK SITE IS THE MOST OUT OF TOUCH THING EVER DONE BY A PRESIDENT.
OUT OF TOUCH.
OUT OF TOUCH.
THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PANICKED NY’RS FEARING FOR THEIR LIVES IS EVIDENCE OF HOW OUT OF TOUCH OBAMA IS.

I wonder why the links in my name were deactivated? Let’s see: the first was to a tea party website (but liberal media doesn’t believe they’re real protests) and the other was to the “100 Mistakes/100 Days” article from the NY Post (but O doesn’t make mistakes – they’re all Bush’s fault).
If Obama supporters think this is a coincidence, there will be no sympathy for you when he literally rules the airwaves. (Did you see the great article on his huge teleprompter malfunction yesterday? Yeah, they didn’t write it. But if Bush did it…)

Posted by: Lin Taylor | Apr 28, 2009 1:55:02 PM
Lin, all links are deactivated. Uniformly.

djn:”Can we please have a release of the passenger manifest that were sight seeing on Air Force One?”
Just like past administrations released? What about the manifest for the 2004 flight over Rushmore? Or the Grand Canyon photo op? Why does this have any bearing whatsoever?

just to be fair, I’m on the progressive side of the dial, and this incident is about as dumb as dumb gets….. according to the story N.Y officials were alerted, but why weren’t the radio, TV outlets and newspapers given the story to ease public anxiety?…… if they were given the story why didn’t they alert NYC citizens the days before the fly over?
I’d be up for this bozo who decided to do this sitting in front of a large LCD screen for about 48 hours and watching the entire Sept 11th day over and over…..and over…………

Air Force One is a prominent symbol of the American presidency and its power.[2] The aircraft are among the most famous and most photographed in the world.[3] SO WHY DID WE NEED MORE PICTURES? AND YES OBAMA KEEPS UP WITH WHERE HIS RIDE IS.

jhw539 – I’ve heard and tend to believe that the decision not to notify the public came from the same folks in DC who planned this disaster in the first place, so citing the NYC mayor and police seems more or less irrelevant. They weren’t permitted to release details. So no, the insensitivity falls entirely in the lap of the flight’s planner.
At the very least, it would have been nice if the AF had told NYC officials “Um, tell the public we’re going to be flying some planes around some day soon, and not to panic.” Or something. Anything beats sending these people running out of buildings (don’t forget they SAW the planes coming and couldn’t get out of the way fast enough, so this was “once bitten…”)
We need more details, but I have to say that it appears the administration dropped the ball on this one.

dr john: I might agree that my comments were insensitive… if this was not so ridiculous. First, flights of Air Force Once equipped planes ARE classified period. Imagine the security issues if everyone knew all the details and so forth. Next, 9/11 occurred almost 8 years ago!!!!!!
This is not a year or two after it occurred. Time passes and LIFE GOES ON and to have this kind of reaction, this kind of ‘fear’ this long after 9/11 is just bordering on .. heck I do not even know what to call it.
You called me insensitive? So be it. What do you call every American that so conveniently forgets about taking care of returning Veterans, especially those disabled and needing help? I call those people insensitive.
But no, the way this country has now become, everyone lives in their own little bubble and unless something directly impacts their secret little life, their little organized space in this world, they make no effort to do the right thing nor help anyone in need. There are still some people who DO care and DO try to help. But with 300 million in this country, the few thousand that do try to make a difference and the few thousand that try to keep our individual constitutional rights intact are fighting alone and uphill because all we can worry about is whether the person who made a MISTAKE will be fired or not.
Insensitive? Nah. Ridiculous issue? Yes. People not using ANY common sense? Right on.
It is time to GET OVER IT PEOPLE. We will never forget, but that does not mean we have to live with this kind of fear until the day we die. At least I have NO intention of doing that. Will it happen again? Maybe, maybe not. But you cannot do anything about it.
If your time is up, your time is up. I prefer to LIVE each day and ENJOY each day, not run in fear because something looks out of place and I MIGHT get hurt or even be killed because of it… and I especially will not do it without using some COMMON SENSE first to figure out what is going on BEFORE panicking.

Silky – Specter was not a well-respected member of the GOP. He has been regarded as a defector since the stimulus.
Thanks for playing.

With the President himself? What nonsense. Do you think they need Whitehouse approval to do a minor maintenance on the engines too? I would be VERY concerned if the President did not allow the Air Force to do their job of managing the VC-25s. It’s not like Obama didn’t have one still ready and in place in case of need.
Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 28, 2009 1:59:40 PM
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You are absolutely right. They told the pres they needed to be sure his travel schedule was and remained clear but DID NOT tell him why.
Or do you assume he so intellectually incurious that it wasn’t an issue and he just bobbed his head and stuttered OK.
This was a prearranged payoff to donors and Obama needs to come clean and release the list of who was on board!

“”Stupid is as stupid does”. Glad you guys believe that Obama didn’t know anything about the flyover. I am sure you believe in the tooth fairy, and Santa Claus too!”
Nope. How about you and Jesus Clause?

“dr john: I might agree that my comments were insensitive… if this was not so ridiculous. First, flights of Air Force Once equipped planes ARE classified period. Imagine the security issues if everyone knew all the details and so forth. Next, 9/11 occurred almost 8 years ago!!!!!!
This is not a year or two after it occurred. Time passes and LIFE GOES ON and to have this kind of reaction, this kind of ‘fear’ this long after 9/11 is just bordering on .. heck I do not even know what to call it. ”
OK, Todd, now we know in addition to insensitive you’re monolithic and interested only in your perspective.
All you have to do is watch the reactions of those who have not forgotten.

Obama desperately needs this to go away. If the list of donors and campaign supporters on board is released it will mar his big 100 day celebration.
If he were not afraid to do so he would release the list.
They want to bury the story!!
We pay for Obama donors through so many earmarks but the people may just get a bit more upset with this taxpayer funded payoff.

MNM:”They told the pres they needed to be sure his travel schedule was and remained clear but DID NOT tell him why.”
You may be surprised to find the guys who schedule the president’s travel equipment and Air Force One KNOW THE PRESIDENT’S SCHEDULE. It’s kinda, oh, their primary job.

Uh, that’s what I said. The other NC-25 was available and at hand for Obama’s use. That is what back up means – one is always available for its primary mission of supporting the President. You are supporting my EXACT point.
Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 28, 2009 2:10:56 PM
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No. Both of them need to be back and available. One to use and the second one present and accounted for as back up!
This was a well planned donor payoff.
Release the manifest!

I hope there are plenty of questions about this for the President during his “First 100 Days Victory Lap Press Conference.” There is more to this than meets the eye. Either the people in charge knew about it and are lying to us for some reason or they are incompetent and actually did not know what was happening with the most recognized and protected plane in the world.

Obama knew about this, authorized it, and lied about his not knowing about it.
Obama wanted a photo op with Air Force One and the Statue of Liberty so he could try to make the claim he, as President, is restoring liberty to the United States.

Obama has changed America’s image.
We are still hated and now we are being laughed at.
-from the London Times
The TOL? Today?

MNM:”No. Both of them need to be back and available. One to use and the second one present and accounted for as back up! ”
Then they would have three NC-25s. One will be regularly unavailable due to routine maintenance tear downs.
Reality really isn’t supporting your hyperbole.

I love the liberals here.
Obama knew about this, authorized it, and lied about his not knowing about it and many of the liberals here say “gee it’s great we have a President who admits his mistakes”(and causes mass panic in New York City by his stupidity).

jane:”Who, what, why and how are they going to use these photos for?”
Probably the same as the photos over Mt Rushmore or the Grand Canyon. For some Air Force and Executive branch PR items (posters, recruiting literature, etc.). Same as the last forty years of air force one promo shots have been used.

“I hope there are plenty of questions about this for the President during his “First 100 Days Victory Lap Press Conference.” There is more to this than meets the eye. >>Either the people in charge knew about it and are lying to us for some reason or they are incompetent and actually did not know what was happening with the most recognized and protected plane in the world.<<" (Posted by: bkm | Apr 28, 2009 2:14:29 PM)(emphasis added by Lin)
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Had to repost this – thanks, bkm.
Regardless of the number of presidential aircraft (jhw539), these points are valid and need to be addressed. This is either incompetence or dishonesty, period, and neither is particularly attractive in a president or his administration. Details will make it clear.

Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 28, 2009 2:15:00 PM
Let’s see- one over Ground Zero and one over a non-populated area.
Sorry, this is a lame argument. You’re grasping at straws. This proves that had Bush done something as stupid as Obama has done, you’d have been calling for impeachment. Now you’re falling all over yourself trying to defend this idiocy with moral equivalence.

the real secret is that ‘prompter totus took his “friend” BOTUS, offical dog of the WhiteHouse for a little ride.

I’m surprised Obama hasn’t blamed the republicans for this. Or Bush. I’m sure that’s coming. Maybe he’ll blame Wall Street – they were closer to the plane at the time.

“I love the liberals here.
Obama knew about this, authorized it, and lied about his not knowing about it”
ROFLMAO!
These right wing delusions are hilarious.

“WHO CARES if President Obama knew or did not know??? Man cannot any of you Obama haters not let it rest already? The ELECTION ENDED MONTHS AGO in case you have not heard.
Were I President and HAD known about it and HAD made the decision to do this, I would laugh at all of you for being so anal. Then I would tell you to get off it and let the past go. Time to move on not dwell on things you cannot change or control.”
Todd, you keep making my argument about lack of sensitivity. I sort of think Obama would laugh at those New Yorkers who were frightened by the sight. Maybe Obama’s laughing at Mike Bloomberg who is outraged at what happened. Maybe Obama is laughing at Brian Williams, who also took this seriously. You have to be pretty callous to think this is much ado about nothing.

There are two NC-25′s. One was available for Presidential use during this standard photo-op, just like when the designated backup plane is undergoing routine maintenance like turbine disassembly and inspection.
Posted by: jhw539 | Apr 28, 2009 2:22:55 PM
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You don’t tell us anything. The fact remains that two functional, available AF1 planes are to be available when the president travels. If one is being used for campaign donor payoffs they keep close tabs on it just in case an emergency arises and it needs to back in place as the back up plane.
You can’t have it both ways. You claim one is always in maintenance and I claim 2 must always be present and accounted for if Pres needs to travel.

Cnn had a story that totus was trying to excape that madhouse after big boy yelled at him yesterday. sources cited included totus’reported breakdown from thunder thighs aka lighting hips constant demeaning glare since she got her eyebrows ‘Fixed’. Sources also say Bo keeps urinating on totus. It seems that teleyprompter has finally had enough and hit the skyway.

dr John: Yep you are probably right about me.. Why? Because I am so tired of watching this country I fought for and was injured for go right down the tubes. From the ridiculous to the insane… This country is loosing its very essence of what it once was.
I am tired of trying to do the right thing, trying to be the one that helps those in need. I am tired of those with money taking away MY RIGHTS just because THEY think their morals are better than mine… just because THEY think they know better than me on how I should live MY OWN LIFE.
I am tired of watching, seeing, listening and reading about people who just no longer give a dam and simply crawl in their own little hole every time something happens. As long as it does not affect them, they do not care.
This is one BIG reason that in this country now, we are GUILTY until proven innocent in the court of media. This is why in this country people are being thrown in jail WITHOUT EVEN SEEING a judge, being charged with a crime, or even having stepped into a court room…
oh and how do I know that? Because I AM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. I was finally released after 3 weeks under a writ of habeas Corpus for violations of my 2nd and 4th constitution rights as well as NO due process not to mention no charges for anything.. 60 days in jail without ever having stepped into a court room or even charged with a crime or sentenced for anything. Simply picked up in front of my kids at my home because someone wrote something that was untrue. BTW, at that particular time, I worked in law enforcement.
No, you can label me any way you want. It does not change the fact that people have stopped caring for anything but themselves and their own little world. And that people have stopped using any common sense or in seeing the truth about things BEFORE reacting.

jhw539 – whether the blame for failure to notify the public falls squarely on the administration (supposedly the memo said not to release the info, according to an ABC report) doesn’t change the fact that either 1) they knew about the exercise/photo op/whatever it was and are lying, or 2) they didn’t know and are incompetent.
In either case, an actual apology to the citizens whose lives were disrupted would be nice.

“Further a former secret service agent was interviewed who gave the information on the positioning of the AF1 planes and that the Pres always knows if one is used for alternate purpose”
Secret Service do not discuss procedure so I doubt that one.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN A BAD 8 YEARS BUT ITS GOING TO BE A HORRIFIC 4 YEARS ANYBODY LISTENING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

“something we found out about”?!?
Did Obama just use the royal we?

Lin Taylor:”1) they knew about the exercise/photo op/whatever it was and are lying, or”
OBVIOUSLY they knew about it. Just like the Mayor’s office and the NYPD. But it’s absurd to think the President, with everything on his plate, is keeping track of photo-ops with the VC-25s.
Is this really a signature issue you want to pillory Obama on? That he personally doesn’t keep track of all photo ops? That he didn’t demand that more than the FAA, local mayor, and local police were contacted in advance?
I am starting to suspect you are a Democrat trying to perpetuate the stereotype of the petty and wholly out of touch Republican.

millie:”Why can’t the most transparent president in history provide a list of who was on that plane?”
Why can’t Republicans release a list of who was on the 2004 photo-op flight over Mt Rushmore? What are they trying to hide?

It wasn’t a photo-op. It was an RPG-op. There may have been intel such an RPG attack was imminent. That’s why this flight was Top Secret.

And the Republicans need to quit hiding the list of donors on that 2004 flyby of Mt Rushmore!
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So the Manhattan stunt was just Obama engaged in politics as usual.
OK

jhw539 (and Silky, et al) – It’s for the president to lie about knowledge he has? It’s disheartening that some Obamaphiles will sacrifice rationale and common sense in the Great One’s name. But I’m “wholly out of touch”…!
What matters is that he and his administration have been caught in too many lies and too much hypocrisy, and the only explanation we hear is “the past administration did this and said that.” This man has broken every one of his campaign promises to you and you still drink…
BTW, I’m affiliate with neither party – registered as a Rep at 18 and have since realized the middle is best. I have conservative and liberal values, issue dependent. Thanks for asking, though (oh wait, you didn’t ask – you made a weakly-veiled character assault.)

PS The plane flew yesterday and specter flipped today. Your timeline is off.

“BTW, I’m affiliate with neither party – registered as a Rep at 18 and have since realized the middle is best. I have conservative and liberal values, issue dependent. Thanks for asking, though”
Oh come one you know you’re a member of the Bund.
Be proud.

Ryan C – it’s not about the plane itself, nor are partisan politics a factor. [Besides, new information usually comes out in the days after a story breaks and we're on ABC's board, not FOX's.] Stick to the issue.
You don’t care about the president and his administration lying? I do. I want transparency and accountability, don’t you?
If you want to argue about the plane, your president didn’t even apologize on behalf of his administration to those in NYC who were terrified by the flight. That sounds like an accountability issue, not a right-wing parrot issue.

jhw539:
Grand Canyon and Mt. Rushmore
were not sights where planes were used
to kill American citizens….guess you have forgotten. That makes your point
moot. Try again…..

Well this donor payoff /flyover at taxpayer expense has been massively dwarfed today in yet another taxpayer, yes SOCIALIST, ripoff and supporter payoff.
Today Obama nationalized 50% of GM
HE THEN GAVE THE UNION ORGANIZATION THE UAW 40% OF GM
He did let the stockholders of GM keep- 10% in his government run reorganization.
The upshot is:
1. Never ever will there be a UAW salary/benefit concession
2. No company or supplier will do business with GM if not unionized thereby over-ruling the “right to work” laws in other states and forcing unionization and higher costs to survive
3. Now that he has nationalized half of GM he can sink as much money as he wants into it without the advise and consent of anyone
4. Obama can dictate what cars can and will be made, at what price, and supplement the production with taxpayer dollars to keep the prices down and drive out the non-union automakers.
He is so busy screwing us in so many ways no one has the time to catch their breath and follow each one. Which is of course the intent.
It went completely over the heads of the liberal dems that Obama’s legal team went to court to advocate denying the right to representation by counsel when being interviewed or interrogated, for US citizens,
Before you get hysterical and claim this is fabrication look it up.
Even the AP covered these stories! Albeit in a buried cursory fashion.

More idiocy from Gibbsy – the Pres is “reviewing” the cost….what a joke.
First question, shockingly, about the Air Force One flyover. (2:16 p.m.)
Gibbs says the president doesn’t think the flight is a good use of government funds, and Jim Messina is reviewing the incident.

“It went completely over the heads of the liberal dems that Obama’s legal team went to court to advocate denying the right to representation by counsel when being interviewed or interrogated, for US citizens,”
Probably because right wing liar mischaracterize it (shocking)
The case at issue is Michigan v. Jackson, in which the Supreme Court said in 1986 that police may not initiate questioning of a defendant who has a lawyer or has asked for one unless the attorney is present. The decision applies even to defendants who agree to talk to the authorities without their lawyers.
Anything police learn through such questioning may not be used against the defendant at trial. The opinion was written by Justice John Paul Stevens, the only current justice who was on the court at the time.
The justices could decide as early as Friday whether they want to hear arguments on the issue as they wrestle with an ongoing case from Louisiana that involves police questioning of an indigent defendant that led to a murder confession and a death sentence.
The Justice Department, in a brief signed by Solicitor General Elena Kagan, said the 1986 decision “serves no real purpose” and offers only “meager benefits.” The government said defendants who don’t wish to talk to police don’t have to and that officers must respect that decision. But it said there is no reason a defendant who wants to should not be able to respond to officers’ questions.
At the same time, the administration acknowledges that the decision “only occasionally prevents federal prosecutors from obtaining appropriate convictions.”
To be honest, Obama’s position on FISA is much more upsetting to me than this from a civil rights standpoint.

MNM (3:33P) oblabla did this today, what will it be tomorrow? This AM
heard that we will have a healthcare
plan in the next 48 hours. We are
looking and listening at the wrong
things while they hornswaggle us with
more bs that nobody read. He wants it
so just pass it…we will have to live with it.

At least he’s consistent. Never takes any responsibility.

MNM (3:33P) oblabla did this today, what will it be tomorrow? This AM
heard that we will have a healthcare
plan in the next 48 hours. We are
looking and listening at the wrong
things while they hornswaggle us with
more bs that nobody read. He wants it
so just pass it…we will have to live with it.
Posted by: Angie | Apr 28, 2009 3:53:48 PM
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It is unbelievable but true. Obama wants everything done for his 100 day celebration, and we will pay and pay for generations to come.
He actually GAVE 40% of GM and 55% of Chrysler to the Unions.
Biden wasn’t joking when he told the union party in florida “you dance with the one that brung you, you want unions, you got unions”
The right to a lawyer according to Obama has “meager benefits” thankfully the right to remain silent they still support. BIG DEAL.
He is altering this country in a way that we will never recover from.
And when he finished nationalizing the banks, as he spoke of doing, HE WILL CONTROL EVERYTHING.
Today they also determined that they will unilaterally lower mortgage balances, and shock of all shocks, banks did not like it. OH well , too bad, he has the banks and us by the cojones.
Then you have a silent media who fail to report and analyze any of this. They should no longer have the constitutional rights afforded the press when they behave as a state run media, advocating and controlling information to keep Obama’s slight of hand secret until it is tooo late. Which it is.
WE ARE SCREWED!

Ryan, I made a mistake, I didn’t a lie. Guess I was confusing this bonehead with the other unqualified boneheads on the payroll.
You are entirely right: he’s not part of the campaign fiasco, he’s part of the bailout fiasco: “Caldera served on the board of directors for IndyMac Bank from 2002 until its failure and subsequent seizure by the government in July 2008.”
My bad, and thank you for pointing it out.

Hi again, Silky, how was nap time?
“Bonehead” was Ryan’s word, not mine. Besides, did you forget that Obama’s unmanned drones in Pakistan killed dozens of civilians? Sure, not Americans, but our civilians are “worth” more than they are, right?
Your president is up to shenanigans whether you know it or not. This situation is a smokescreen.

AT LEAST OBAMA IS CONSISTENT – AS IN HIS ADULT LIFE, HIS JUDGMENT IN THIS MATTER HAS BEEN AWFUL. HIS DENIAL OF THIS AFFAIR IS PROBABLY BOGUS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FOR SECURITY REASONS, THE PRESIDENT IS ALWAYS KEPT INFORMED RE. STATUS AND LOCATION OF BOTH HIS FIXED WING AIRCRAFT. THIS MAN IS NOT QUALIFIED TO LEAD ANYTHING. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE GOT SUCKERED IN TO VOTING FOR THIS INCOMPETENT. I HOPE THAT THE USA SURVIVES THIS NIGHTMARE.

Oh look! There’s Distraction Dog and Teleprompter playing in the Whitehouse yard. That should take some of the heat off.

This is the soup de jour for Republicans ,i.e. squabbling over nothing. Nice ,love it when they form a circular firing squad bi-weekly or so.
Here’s something nice and cogent for you Republicans to munch on…a Republican senator for 40+ years just quit your side and joined us Democrats (something about Republicans not being electable …)
Anyway, after the Franken vote is eventually settled in his favor once and for all ,we liberals will deal your party the final death knell. Say your political prayers ,your time is just about up.
Adios amigos!

Very interesting = in a two minute take on Charles Gibson last night he mentioned about the planes in NY. He was protecting Obama. Of course, Obama knew about this = there is just something wrong with this man, the teleprompter, he has attention deficit disorder, he cannot talk without it being in front of him. You call this intelligence, I call this stupidity. We are just beginning to see== we will all be deceived before these next years are over with. What is he?

What really happened was that the Air Force ONE was chasing a UFO.The hope was to land the craft and negotiate with the aliens our national debt. The so called aliens belong to a planet called .YES WE CAN. Of course our Government could not explained this bizarre saga to all those scared newyorkers. Maybe Spielberg can work on it. Hollywood is always ready.