President Obama and Immigration Reform
President Obama for months has been talking about taking on immigration reform this year.
In a February interview with Eddie “Piolín” Sotelo, the nation’s most popular Spanish-language radio host, Mr. Obama said, "we’re going to be convening leadership on this issue so that we can start getting that legislation drawn up over the next several months."
The plan, he said, is to "start by really trying to work on how to improve the current system so that people who want to be naturalized, who want to become citizens, like you did, that they are able to do it; that it’s cheaper, that it’s faster, that they have an easier time in terms of sponsoring family members. And then we’ve got to have comprehensive immigration reform. Now, you know, we need to get started working on it now. It’s going to take some time to move that forward, but I’m very committed to making it happen."
The New York Times today offers a timeline: "Mr. Obama plans to speak publicly about the issue in May, administration officials said, and over the summer he will convene working groups, including lawmakers from both parties and a range of immigration groups, to begin discussing possible legislation for as early as this fall."
Asked about the issue at a town hall meeting on Costa Mesa, Calif., on March 18, 2009, President Obama noted that very day he had met with members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus to talk about this issue directly.
"Now, I know this is an emotional issue, I know it’s a controversial issue, I know that the people get real riled up politically about this," he said, "but — but ultimately, here’s what I believe: We are a nation of immigrants, number one.
"Number two, we do have to have control of our borders. Number three, that people who have been here for a long time and put down roots here have to have some mechanism over time to get out of the shadows, because if they stay in the shadows, in the underground economy, then they are oftentimes pitted against American workers. Since they can’t join a union, they can’t complain about minimum wages, et cetera, they end up being abused, and that depresses the wages of everybody, all Americans.
"So I don’t think that we can do this piecemeal," he said, noting that the government would also have to crack down on employers who are exploiting undocumented workers and provide a verification system to find out whether somebody is legally able to work in the U.S.
"And then you’ve got to say to the undocumented workers, you have to say, look, you’ve broken the law; you didn’t come here the way you were supposed to. So this is not going to be a free ride. It’s not going to be some instant amnesty. What’s going to happen is you are going to pay a significant fine. You are going to learn English….You are going to go to the back of the line so that you don’t get ahead of somebody who was in Mexico City applying legally."
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“And then you’ve got to say to the undocumented workers, you have to say, look, you’ve broken the law; you didn’t come here the way you were supposed to. So this is not going to be a free ride. It’s not going to be some instant amnesty. What’s going to happen is you are going to pay a significant fine. You are going to learn English….You are going to go to the back of the line so that you don’t get ahead of somebody who was in Mexico City applying legally.”
This sounds awefully familiar. I remember! This is the stuff Democrats didn’t like about the last round of Immigration Reform! I wonder if they will reject it now that The One is supporting it?
Don’t get me wrong, I support Immigration Reform. It’s not perfect, but as long as it’s not instant amnesty, I will support it.
Posted by: BigGator5 | April 9, 2009, 8:50 am 8:50 am
Democrats will KILL THIS. Ain’t going to happen.
The Democratic Congress doesn’t want to lose in 2010 and this is a LOSING issue.
Posted by: nancy | April 9, 2009, 8:54 am 8:54 am
you can’t fathom? thats easy, the dem’s see more voting base. they could care less about this country, just see votes.
Posted by: chad | April 9, 2009, 8:58 am 8:58 am
And these new “voters” will be entirely dependent on Democrats’ largesse.
That largesse comes courtesy of those of us who actually work.
Posted by: drjohn | April 9, 2009, 9:00 am 9:00 am
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Apr 9, 2009 8:38:28 AM
Your point is well taken. Here’s how it will go: make the illegals legal, sign them up for the unions, and then they’ll have to be paid union wages or at least minumum wage.
That will leave no one to do the jobs Americans won’t do and that will induce more illegals to enter while many of the the newly “legal” will find themselves out of work because the jobs they once held for under the minumum wage won’t be there.
Collecting that $13 a weeek from Obama.
Posted by: drjohn | April 9, 2009, 9:04 am 9:04 am
We need to freeze immigration NOW ! The days of, “give us your tired, your poor ” are long gone. We have plenty of our own poor now. The U.S. has over 300 million people and alot are in tent cities. Put a sign up NO Vacancy, and throw a dust cloth over the Statue Liberty.
Ex Republican
Posted by: RGeier | April 9, 2009, 9:13 am 9:13 am
There are many benefits to having people immigrate to the US: increased tax base, increase of small businesses, new business models (think Ebay, Google).
Even illegal workers have contributed to our social security system and pay taxes, even if they cannot file for refunds. Our country’s best economic growth has been because of immigrant contributions (think Carnegie). How many innovations has our economy lost because of post 9/11 xenophobia?
My ancestors came here long before laws restricting entry, as late as 1850, so I find it hard to hold it against others for wanting a better life, legally or not.
Posted by: C. Wilson | April 9, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am
The Democratic Congress will lose big in 2010 because of their poor immigration reform policy. Obama and the Democratic Congress has broken promise to the America people. We need don’t need anymore of the immigrates come into our country. We had enough of them here in the US! They need to sent back to home.
Posted by: anonymous | April 9, 2009, 9:31 am 9:31 am
“Go to the back in the line? ”
Do you know how long is this line?
Some are LEGALLY waiting in the line since 2001 ……
Posted by: SRS | April 9, 2009, 9:32 am 9:32 am
Right discussion, wrong timing.
With everything else going on, especially with ECON 101 needing so many resources. Focus needs to be the economy, jobs and a verifiable set of statistical data pointing to a positive rebounding of the economy, maybe not all segments, that will take years.
But make damn sure that we are collectively out of the financial Forrest BEFORE you try and tackle immigration. These subjects/needs are for the most part mutually exclusive.
Timing is everything!
Posted by: Darryl the Contractor | April 9, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am
I don’t think it is a good idea to hasten the naturalization process. It should be long by design. I believe there should be some sort of path to citizenship for some of the undocumented, but not all and it should not be accelerated in any way. I would also say that we should slow all legal immigration and also better secure our boarder from any more illegal immigrants. We have taken more in than we can handle.
Posted by: Joe C. | April 9, 2009, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Cue the incessant chatter about Obama overextending his administration and trying to do too much, too fast.
Posted by: matt | April 9, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Twelve million illegals but how many relatives will they sponsor and bring into the US? Some guesses are 40 to 50 million more. Will there be a border rush when Obama announces this? Will our border guards be killed in the process? How many gang bangers will Obama allow to enter the country — with amnesty no background checking was allowed? Will the black population riot when Obama gives away the jobs that they want? Do you really think the illegals will stay in low paying jobs or will they take over higher paying unionized jobs? This amnesty didnt work when Eisenhower did it after WWII nor when Reagen did it in the 1980′s. US citizenship will mean nothing once Obama does this. Is this Obama’s real intent to make the US (remember he called us arragant) a non entity in the world?
Posted by: jpjgamas | April 9, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
How about letting some white Europeans immigrat Mr Obama, from Germany, Italy, England. Why are immigants always from Africa, India, Cuba, Mexico, Latin America, and the Middle East. Diversity makes us weaker not stronger, it causes most of our problems. America has never been a melting pot, that is a lie. The new immigrants no longer assimilate like the white Europeans did.They fly there own flags, and want there own language to be spoken and taught in public tax payer schools. The American tax payer can not afford to support the worlds poor.
Ex Republican
Posted by: RGeier | April 9, 2009, 10:09 am 10:09 am
President ChiaPet will do what he does best..SCREW the American public
Posted by: Obama cabinet of corruption featuring TURBOTAX TIMMY | April 9, 2009, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Myth #1: Undocumented immigrants come to the United States to get welfare.
Undocumented men come to the United States almost exclusively to work. In 2003, over 90 percent of undocumented men worked—a rate higher than that for U.S. citizens or legal immigrants (Passel, Capps, and Fix 2004). Undocumented men are younger, less likely to be in school, and less likely to be retired than other men (Capps et al. 2003). Moreover, undocumented immigrants are ineligible for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits (Fix, Zimmermann, and Passel 2001).
Myth #2: Undocumented immigrants all crossed the Mexican border.
Between 60 and 75 percent of the more than 10 million undocumented immigrants entered illegally and without inspection—mostly across the Mexican border. The other 25 to 40 percent entered legally and subsequently overstayed visas or otherwise violated the terms of their admission (Passel 2005).
Myth #3: Undocumented immigrants are all single men.
Over 40 percent of undocumented adults are women, and the majority (54 percent) of undocumented men live in married couples or other families (Passel 2005). Fewer than half of undocumented men are single and unattached.
Myth #4: Most children of the undocumented are unauthorized.
In fact, two-thirds of all children with undocumented parents (about 3 million) are U.S.-born citizens who live in mixed-status families.
Myth #5: A large share of schoolchildren are undocumented.
Nationally in 2000, only 1.5 percent of elementary schoolchildren (enrolled in kindergarten through 5th grade) and 3 percent of secondary children (grades 6-12) were undocumented. Slightly higher shares—5 percent in elementary and 4 percent in secondary schools—had undocumented parents.
Myth #6: Undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes.
Undocumented immigrants pay the same real estate taxes—whether they own homes or taxes are passed through to rents—and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The majority of state and local costs of schooling and other services are funded by these taxes. Additionally, the U.S. Social Security Administration has estimated that three quarters of undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes, and that they contribute $6-7 billion in Social Security funds that they will be unable to claim (Porter 2005).
Posted by: reason | April 9, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Time to deport the imposter in the WH.
Where are the real Americans??
Posted by: slumerica | April 9, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Myth: IMMIGRANTS SEND ALL THEIR MONEY BACK HOME
FACT: In addition to the consumer spending of immigrant households, immigrants and their businesses contribute $162 billion in tax revenue to U.S. federal, state, and local governments. While it is true that immigrants remit billions of dollars a year to their home countries, this is one of the most targeted and effective forms of direct foreign investment.
Myth: IMMIGRANTS TAKE JOBS AWAY FROM AMERICANS…
FACT: The largest wave of immigration to the U.S. since the early 1900s coincided with our lowest national unemployment rate and fastest economic growth. Immigrant entrepreneurs create jobs for U.S. and foreign workers, and foreign-born students allow many U.S. graduate programs to keep their doors open. While there has been no comprehensive study done of immigrant-owned businesses, we have countless examples: in Silicon Valley, companies begun by Chinese and Indian immigrants generated more than $19.5 billion in sales and nearly 73,000 jobs in 2000.
Myth: IMMIGRANTS ARE A DRAIN ON THE ECONOMY
FACT: During the 1990s, half of all new workers were foreign-born, filling gaps left by native-born workers in both the high- and low-skill ends of the spectrum. Immigrants fill jobs in key sectors, start their own businesses, and contribute to a thriving economy. The net benefit of immigration to the U.S. is nearly $10 billion annually. As Alan Greenspan points out, 70% of immigrants arrive in prime working age. That means we havent spent a penny on their education, yet they are transplanted into our workforce and will contribute $500 billion toward our social security system over the next 20 years
Myth: IMMIGRANTS DONT WANT TO LEARN ENGLISH OR BECOME AMERICANS
FACT: Within ten years of arrival, more than 75% of immigrants speak English well; moreover, demand for English classes at the adult level far exceeds supply. Greater than 33% of immigrants are naturalized citizens; given increased immigration in the 1990s, this figure will rise as more legal permanent residents become eligible for naturalization in the coming years. The number of immigrants naturalizing spiked sharply after two events: enactment of immigration and welfare reform laws in 1996, and the terrorist attacks in 2001.
Myth: TODAY’S IMMIGRANTS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THOSE 100 YEARS AGO
FACT: The percentage of the U.S. population that is foreign-born now stands at 11.5%; in the early 20th century it was approximately 15%. Similar to accusations about todays immigrants, those of 100 years ago initially often settled in mono-ethnic neighborhoods, spoke their native languages, and built up newspapers and businesses that catered to their fellow migrs. They also experienced the same types of discrimination that todays immigrants face, and integrated within American culture at a similar rate. If we view history objectively, we remember that every new wave of immigrants has been met with suspicion and doubt and yet, ultimately, every past wave of immigrants has been vindicated and saluted.
Myth: MOST IMMIGRANTS CROSS THE BORDER ILLEGALLY
FACT: Around 75% of todays immigrants have legal permanent (immigrant) visas; of the 25% that are undocumented, 40% overstayed temporary (non-immigrant) visas. Undocumented immigrants estimated to be less than 2% of the US population.
FACT: From 1986 to 1998, the Border Patrols budget increased six-fold and the number of agents stationed on our southwest border doubled to 8,500. The Border Patrol also toughened its enforcement strategy, heavily fortifying typical urban entry points and pushing migrants into dangerous desert areas, in hopes of deterring crossings. Instead, the undocumented immigrant population doubled in that timeframe, to 8 milliondespite the legalization of nearly 3 million immigrants after the enactment of the Immigration Reform and Control Act in 1986. Insufficient legal avenues for immigrants to enter the U.S., compared with the number of jobs in need of workers, has significantly contributed to this current conundrum.
Myth: THE WAR ON TERRORISM CAN BE WON WITH IMMIGRANT RESTRICTIONS
FACT: No security expert since September 11th, 2001 has said that restrictive immigration measures would have prevented the terrorist attacksinstead, the key is effective use of good intelligence. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were here on legal visas. Since 9/11, the myriad of measures targeting immigrants in the name of national security have netted no terrorism prosecutions. In fact, several of these measures could have the opposite effect and actually make us less safe, as targeted communities of immigrants are afraid to come forward with information.
Posted by: reason | April 9, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am
It is unbelievable as some position themselves Extremely naively against immigrants where, nevertheless, just these people by immigrants let themselves clean the garden or allow to do her house repair, streets are repaired, restaurants are pursued – and a lot more! One can learn with certainty still an amount from the immigrants what even Americans can profit from. President Obama and his team are on the absolutely right way, because therefore more taxes will come to the country and the procurement criminal activity and the claim of any organizations drastically sink. Also the treatment time with the USCIS needs a strafe restructuring, because the waiting periods of any applications stand beyond any reasonableness. With pleasure I would have the possibility to talk to the President what will never be granted to me, nevertheless, unfortunately. Finally, America must wake – and President Obama is the alarm clock !!!
Posted by: Mr.T | April 9, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Obama has done little to nothing to protect Unemployed Americans!
There are 13,000,000 Unemployed American families out there that need work, yet corporations import Legal foreign workers to replace American workers every day.
Obama and his dogs made sure that E-verify was pulled from the stimulus package to keep the millions of Illegal Aliens taking middle class blue collar jobs….again Obama is doing nothing to help the 13,000,000 Unemployed American families.
Posted by: HernandezUSA | April 9, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Anybody and everybody that supports this needs to be bounced out of power on their arse. That goes for Obama as well.
Represtative Republic, remember that Obama and congress.
They are going to make sure that the Republicans are going to get the majority in ’10 and the whitehouse in ’12. Then with a swoop of a pen within seconds of being sworn in, the executive orders will start to fly.
Posted by: kate | April 9, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am
He rode the backs of the human rights issue when he needed it in the campaigns..both of them…he used the cover of racial injustice when he needed it…wrung it out…with the diligence of a wash woman wringing wet towels before hanging them on the clothes line…now..in true Alynsky fashion…he will wring the last from us in service to those who are pulling his marionette strings. He is a “facilitator”. Clearly in these two months
we see for whom he is facilitating…Take your pick.
They are Legion…For me…I see nothing within the interest of this Republic that is being facilited. Every day in every way..the dissembling of the Republic continues.
Posted by: saygoodbyetoamerica | April 9, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am
Obama would love to grant amnesty to illegals.
He’s creating a voter base for himself that will for the most part not be affected by the inevitable tax increases the rest of us will be hit with.
The voting majority will not be the taxpaying majority if he gets his way on this one. And that is cause for alarm.
Posted by: ALARM BELL ding ding ding | April 9, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am
Obama:Since they can’t join a union, they can’t complain about minimum wages, et cetera, they end up being abused, and that depresses the wages of everybody, all Americans.
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Hmmm…I sense Andy Stern pushing this issue somewhere/somehow.
I’ll be shocked if President Obama actually proposes specific legislation. His MO so far is to list all the things he thinks about an issue, then let Congress work out the details.
I don’t know how we can come up with a comprehensive health plan without addressing the issue of illegal immigrants.
Finally, Congress failed to require companies receiving stimulus funds to use e-verify to ensure they weren’t hiring illegal immigrants. I don’t think they are serious about immigration reform.
Posted by: MayBee | April 9, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am
“The Democratic Congress will lose big in 2010 because of their poor immigration reform policy. Obama and the Democratic Congress has broken promise to the America people. We need don’t need anymore of the immigrates come into our country. We had enough of them here in the US! They need to sent back to home.”
You are a gift that keeps on giving.
Posted by: silky | April 9, 2009, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Undocumented immigrants paying more taxes than you think!!
Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.
The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.
Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.
In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.
The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.
Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.
But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.
According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.
One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.
No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.
Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.
The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.
The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.
To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.
Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.
With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.
The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?
Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.
Posted by: American Patriot | April 9, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Ignorance is Bliss: Those who have NO CLUE or QUALIFICATIONS about Immigration are those who show their IGNORANCE :)
In the 20-plus years I have spent studying, lecturing and litigating immigration issues, two things have always amazed me. The first is the amount and intensity of hate spewed against undocumented workers. The second is the amount of misinformation that is published about them.
On this second point, the quote from Mark Twain is illustrative. “A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.” I suppose this may be true in part because misinformation, like a lie, requires no accuracy, validation or research; all of which are time-consuming practices.
The recent letters alleging that all undocumented workers are “criminals,” and specifically Veronica Suarez, whose plight was written about in the Tracy Press recently, is a criminal are factually incorrect.
According to the facts (as stated in Sharon Franceschi’s Sept. 7 commentary) Saurez entered the U.S. on a valid visa, overstayed her visa when it expired, resulting in her unlawful immigration status. None of these acts, as stated by Franceschi, constitute a crime under federal or state law. Overstaying a valid visa under the Immigration and Naturalization Act is a civil violation of the law, not a criminal violation. Being in the U.S. in under undocumented status is not a criminal violation, but a civil violation of the INA.
The facts, as stated by Franceschi, do not indicate that Suarez has committed any crime. To call her a criminal is erroneous at best, and libelous at worst.
Furthermore, it is an Americanism that a person is innocent until proven guilty. So until Suarez (or any other undocumented person) is charged and found guilty of a crime, it would be inappropriate to call them “criminals.”
It is important to note that there is a very large difference between civil and criminal violations of law. The distinction is so important that the law makes the erroneous allegation that one has committed a crime of slander or libel, (which means liability is automatic even without proof of damages). One who violates the civil law is no more a criminal than someone who has breached a contract or accidentally damaged another’s property.
It is true that entering the United States without inspection is a misdemeanor under the INA. The misdemeanor is completed once an individual’s entry is complete. Suarez, according to Franceschi, did not enter without inspection; she entered with a valid visa. According to U.S. Immigration and Citizenship Services statistics, about 40 percent of undocumented persons enter legally and overstay their visas (which, as stated above, is not a crime). Consequently, at least 40 percent of the undocumented population has committed no crime in regards to their immigration status.
Therefore, one cannot assume that a person has committed a crime simply because they are undocumented.
Franceschi is also in error in her allegation that getting married and having children while being undocumented in the U.S. is a violation of the law. It is not. Franceschi goes on to say that Suarez “apparently bought a house illegally.” It is unlikely that Franceschi knows exactly how Suarez purchased her home. Consequently, any allegation of illegality is, at a minimum, irresponsible.
It is also important to note that the Immigration and Citizenship Services doesn’t consider all undocumented persons criminals. When the Immigration and Citizenship Services publishes information about its enforcement activities involving undocumented workers, it are always sure to make a distinction between “criminal” and noncriminal aliens.
Another myth is that the term “illegal aliens” is a term of art or is legal jargon. This term is not found anywhere in the INA or in Blacks Law Dictionary. The INA refers to undocumented persons as either an EWI (entered without inspection) or as someone who has overstayed their visa. “Illegal aliens” is a term invented by anti-immigrant groups designed to put undocumented persons in the worst possible light and to instill fear in Americans. It is intentionally designed to associate undocumented persons with criminality.
This xenophobic view that undocumented persons are “simply criminals” comes from the historical stereotype that the foreign-born, especially undocumented immigrants, are responsible for higher crime rates. This misconception has deep roots in American public opinion and popular myth. This myth, however, is not supported empirically and has repeatedly been refuted by scientific studies. Both contemporary and historical data, (including U.S. governmental studies) have shown that immigration is associated with lower crime rates.
The studies have uniformly shown that recent immigrants (including the undocumented) are less likely to be involved in violent crime, and that when there is an increase in immigration patterns, violent crime decreases. This has been shown to be true in large cities with heavy immigrant populations.
In the most recent of these studies, The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Paradox of Assimilation (2007), from the Immigrant Policy Institute, it was found that among men age 18 to 39 (who are the vast majority of inmates in federal and state prisons and local jails), immigrants were five times less likely to be incarcerated than the native-born in 2000.
During the Proposition 187 debate, then-Gov. Pete Wilson published statistics that stated that
12 percent to 15 percent of the state prison population had Immigration and Citizenship Services holds or potential holds. The Department of Corrections analyst who compiled these numbers said Immigration and Citizenship Services holds are placed on inmates who were born outside of the U.S. (therefore 12 percent to 15 percent of the prison population was immigrants). The immigrant population at the time in California hovered at about 25 percent, showing immigrants were much less likely to be incarcerated than the native born in California.
In short, the data shows you are much safer if your neighbor is an immigrant.
Franceschi owes Suarez an apology. I am also surprised that the Tracy Press allowed a commentary to run without checking the facts. Although commentaries are designed to allow for the expression of differing opinions, the First Amendment is not as generous with misstatements of facts — especially when the facts can be libelous.
For the immigration debate to be a healthy one, we should strive for a debate based on facts, not myth or tired stereotypes. We should also not let our position on this topic strip us of one of the great qualities we possess as people — the ability to be compassionate.
Arturo E. Ocampo of Tracy has been a practicing attorney since 1985, with an expertise in immigration rights and class action lawsuits on behalf of immigrants, including the way the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 was implemented, Border Patrol’s raids and Proposition 187. He is director of diversity and equal employment opportunity for the San Jose/Evergreen Community College District.
Posted by: Native American | April 9, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am
“That means we havent spent a penny on their education, yet they are transplanted into our workforce and will contribute $500 billion toward our social security system over the next 20 years”
Nonsense.
California spend $42 billion a year on illegals, mostly for education and the rest for healthcare.
They cannot possibly be taking less than minimum wage and contributing back more than that.
And this analysis omits the chain illegals- the extended families who come and don’t work.
Posted by: drjohn | April 9, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am
HernandezUSA—”13,000,000 unemployed families.” sorry, but could you please site your source. “families” indicate more than one individual in a family are unemployed. do you even have evidence that there are 13,000,000 “individuals” unemployed. you can call the president a dog all you want it doesn’t make your statistics true. if 13,000,000 families were unemployed that would imply at the very least 39,000,000 unemployed individuals. but hey, whatever Rush says.
don’t forget houses are affordable in most places in this nation because illegal immigrants built them. i’m all for shutting the borders and deporting workers. maybe your 13,000,000 unemployed will take their labor-intensive (back-breaking jobs), in fact i’m sure the average unemployed american will work over 40 hours a week and get paid below minimum wage. get serious, if you want to buy a little tiny house (1,000 sq feet) for more than $700,000 and $20 bucks for an orange go for it. immigrants are what make things affordable. maybe we should show them so respect. although someone who calls the president a dog doesn’t command much attention.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 9, 2009, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Ok, Mr. Obama. Then tell us please, in addressing foreign relations, national security, and global trade, what, exactly ARE your priorities?
According to your own words and actions:
HUMAN RIGHTS IS NOT A PRIORITY
How this will affect your policies?
1. Foreign Relations: no expectations for countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, China, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Israel to commit to ending specific, egregious abuses (including torture, mass killings, forced sterilization, and of course brutal gender apartheid) in exchange for meaningful negotiations with the United States
2. National Security: Wiretapping American citizens without warrants; Spying on American citizens without warrants; Secret detentions of American citizens.
3. Global Trade: Serious and measurable efforts to end human trafficking, human slavery, including the sexual enslavement of children for mostly Western male “masters,” will NOT be a pre-condition of entering and renegotiating trade agreements with Asia, Africa, or Eastern Europe.
Posted by: seriously we are in BAD hands | April 9, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am
It is very simple. If the people of the United States, as a whole, disapprove of slavery, gender apartheid, torture, and mass killings (as we, obviously, DO) then our government has two options:
1. Isolate completely from the worst offending countries — no diplomatic, economic, or political ties whatsoever. Such as how we treat North Korea, Iran, and Cuba.
2. Negotiate WITH CONDITIONS. If the United States’ bargaining position is SO WEAK that we cannot extract ANY measures to curb oppression, torture, and apartheid in Asia and the Muslim world then why the hell are we at the table in the first place? Shouldn’t we be regrouping, rebuilding, and preparing to negotiate from a position of strength? Why is the United States purposefully engaging these countries with our tail between our legs? What possible good can come of negotiating from a position of weakness?
Obama’s negotitiating skills are so pathetic it has moved beyond a national embarrassment to a national tragedy. John McCain, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton were CORRECT during the primaries. Each of them chided obama for his utter ignorance about dealing with the bad guys.
Obama will never move the hearts and minds of Muslims committed to Islamic rule in their countries. And if he does, at what cost to America’s values and integrity? There ARE no moderate Islamic states. There may be moderate individual Muslims; there are certainly secular Muslims, reform-minded Muslims, and peaceful Muslims. But that’s a straw man argument. The existence of a minority of relatively moderate individual people spread across the globe in various countries is irrelevant to how the United States formally treats with the governments of Afghanistan, North Korea, Uganda, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, and Iran. Negotiating with those countries by dismissing human rights as an “ideal” is exactly the same level of evil as allying or negotiating with Apartheid-ruled South Africa.
If Obama chooses to sweep human rights off the table in order to make friends with Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Middle East that would be pretend peace — and a peace at too high a cost. Islamic fundamentalists BELIEVE in their way of life. They are not going to moderate it. If anything, Obama’s blundering admission that human rights are not important to the United States will EMBOLDEN them to pass more laws oppressive to women, to FURTHER restrict individual rights in their countries, and to EXPAND the tyrannical reach of their blood-thirsty imams.
With friends like that I’d rather have enemies.
Posted by: be careful Americans | April 9, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am
not now border fence first.and of course its the americans who caused mexicos illegal guns and our desire for drugs come on can anyone say fence fence fence make it electric why your at it.
Posted by: natale from mass. | April 9, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Most Americans are not aware of how difficult it is to immigrate here legally. Without a close relative or employer to sponsor you, the only options are marriage to a US citizen or E2 investment.
E2 visa holders invest in small enterprises across America. Collectively, we employ tens of thousands of US citizens, yet we have no path to permanent residence. We must renew our visas every fve years. If we want to retire or sell our businesses, we must leave the US immediately. Our children are required to retun to their country of origin at age 21, regardless of how many years they have lived here.
Why should illegal aliens or their children have a path to permanent residence when those who abided by the laws do not?
America will continue to have a huge illegal immigration problem until the system is overhauled to make it possible for desirable immigants who will contribute to the economy to come here and stay.
Because of E2 restrictions, foreign entrepreneurs are turning to Australia and other countries where their contributions to the economy are recognized, appreciated and rewarded.
Posted by: Nina Mold | April 9, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
The truth is we do not have ulimited resources. It’s about quality of life issues. For example, the U.S. currently does not have enough water to meet the needs of the population we already have. The current and coming water wars will put state against state and citizen against citizen. It will be ugly. It’s already happening. We simply cannot continue to allow immigrants to pour into this country. We must set limits on legal immigration and enforce the laws against illegal immigration. As a nation we must decide how we want to live going forward. Obama does not appear to want to follow the rule of law on immigration. That’s a problem. We told you so.
Posted by: R | April 9, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
DON’T REWARD LAW BREAKERS !
Posted by: Ron | April 9, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am
Just about everything Obama does is helping to ensure the Democrats lose big in 2010/2012, but this is by far the most polarizing thing he’s done. Nothing brings Republicans together like abortion and illegal immigration. I wouldn’t count the Republicans out. They were supposedly dead when Jimmy
Carter got elected, too. What did they come back with? Ronald Reagan! Never count out the Republicans.
Posted by: Andrea | April 9, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
One part of the illegal alien problem that I haven’t heard addressed is that of our coming population explosion. We already have 10% of the population of Mexico here and a U.S. population of some 325 million. What will quality of life be like for your grandchildren when population reaches 600 mil., 2 billion, 4 billion ?
Posted by: Ron | April 9, 2009, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Obama is very, very, very, very wrong when he claims that “human rights are not a priority of the U.S.”. Stunning. Human rights have ALWAYS rightly been a top priority of this great country. We have led the world on human rights issues. It’s what sets us apart from every other country on earth. What a disgraceful comment for the President of the United States to make. Outrageous. That single comment will haunt him more than any other mistake he’s made (so far….).
Wake up America! As Hillary, John McCain and all of the other primary candidates stated, Obama is not ready to be President. Isn’t it obvious to everyone now?????
That’s why this Hillary supporting Democrat refused to drink the kool aid the media and my party tried to shove down my throat. Obama was not and is not ready for prime time despite the ever continuing 24/7 media promotion of their creation, Barack Obama.
Posted by: R | April 9, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
The Kennedy-McCain bill that went down to defeat was a great solution. It provided for securing the borders. It provided for getting the thousands already here on the tax roles. It provided a path to legitimacy if the illeagals learned English and paid a fine. Of course the neo-cons screamed “amnesty” and the bill went down to defeat.
Posted by: EdDoc80 | April 9, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Call your Representatives in Congress and the U.S. Senate and tell them NO on the so-called “Cybersecurity Bill of 2009″ co-sponsored by Republican Senator Olympia Snow of Maine and Democratic Senator Jay Rockefeller of W. VA. It’s an outrageous bill that gives way too much power to the President and government. You thought Bush was bad? Obama is proving to be far worse. You thought the illegal wiretapping was bad? What Obama wants to do is far worse. Dear God, help us.
Wake up America!
Posted by: R | April 9, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
What is this trash supposedly quoting president Obama as saying “human rights are not a priority of the U.S.?” LIES of course. More Limbaugh-loving koolaid.
Posted by: William J. LePetomane | April 9, 2009, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
The illegal immigration issue will indeed blow up in Obama’s face, but the issue that will really bring him down is his attempts to spend us into oblivion. Even when the recession ends, we are headed for disaster. Individuals can’t spend their way out of debt, and neither can governments.
Posted by: Janet | April 9, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
R: leave the country now while you have a chance.
Posted by: William J. LePetomane | April 9, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Obama has to hurry before his Aunt’s deportation hearing comes up again.
So he’s got about 10 months left.
He’s such a great guy.
Posted by: sam | April 9, 2009, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
“The story is officially ‘in play’ now that the White House has spoken, albeit from an anonymous source. Bowgate. American citizens are implicitly asked to view the demi-prostration and decide for themselves. The evidence simply does not support the official position of the Obama administration.”
Why doesn’t he just bow to the illegals, and then say he didn’t?
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | April 9, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Let’s give illegal immigrants our jobs and pay for their health insurance too.
And they won’t even have to pay taxes.
Obama is looking out for his future voters in 2012.
Posted by: tyler | April 9, 2009, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
“You thought the illegal wiretapping was bad?”
The wiretapping done by Bush wasn’t illegal. Contrast that with JFK, LBJ and Bobby Kennedy illegally wiretapping Martin Luther King, Jr.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | April 9, 2009, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
I am appalled at Obama’s plan to reward illegal aliens for breaking the law and if he runs in 2012 I will do whatever I can to be sure he is not re-elected.
Posted by: Marlene | April 9, 2009, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
So….in 1984 Reagan and the Dem congress agreed to naturalize all 5M illegals in exchange for “fixing” the problem, securing the border, etc. We were lied to.
Now we have 20M illegals and not only does Obama want to natrualize them, he wants to make it “easier for them to bring their family members too”. So we’re looking at what? A total of maybe 50-100M new legal hispanic immigrants in the next 10 yrs?
Think that might permanently shift the balance of power to the Dems for generations? Ya think??!!
Posted by: JohnR | April 9, 2009, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Here’s the apparently trashy Mrs. Clinton announcing Mr. Obama’s human rights policy:
“Saturday February 21 2009
“Hillary Clinton told China’s leaders yesterday that America considered human rights concerns secondary to economic survival.”
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | April 9, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
BUILD A FENCE!!!
This is a bad policy decision at a bad time. obama wants to all these people in that came here ILLEGALLY!!! By their very actions, they broke the law. Send them back and make them wait in line, like all the rest have to. Why should someone who came here from south of the border be giving better rights than someone who come from across the pond or north of the border??!??
What every land owner on the southern border should do is put up a sign that says trespassers will be shot since they are coming onto the land illegally. If that sounds racist, I’m sorry. I emphathize with these people, but that does not mean that I should give my job to them
Posted by: DJ | April 9, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Illegal Immigrants steal jobs, use stolen social security cards, and commit fraud on a daily basis. So how is this not illegal? Paying taxes on someone else’s SS #. How is this not illegal? anyone who tries to explain how this is legal is either an illegal immigrant or someone who profits from them. Bottom Line…illegal immigarnts do not put in as much as they take. We only count the workers, for every (1) undocumented worker, there are (5) at home. stop trying to convince us based on lies. Why don’t the illegal immigrants just say “we’re sorry” what do we need to do to become legal. they don’t because they expect us to make them citizens. If I move to Mexico, and live there illegally, how long will it take for me to become a citizen….yea, it will never happen
Posted by: beau | April 9, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Mrs. Clinton continued with further apparent “lies”:
“Our pressing on those [human rights] issues can’t interfere on the global economic crisis, the global climate change crisis and the security crisis.”
So human rights comes after economics, global warming and security. Tell us with a straight face that human rights are nevertheless a “prority” of this administration.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | April 9, 2009, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
tyler: apparently you do not bother to read or at least read carefully. The provisions that Obama said he wanted in an immigration reform bill are very, very similar to what was in the McCain-Kennedy bill.
Posted by: William J. LePetomane | April 9, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
I am curious to know how a self-described “fascist” would know anything about human rights?
Posted by: Howard Beale | April 9, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
All 50 US states are sovereign. In so, they have a right to limit who comes into their states. If some southern border guvs go together and said no, it would definitely drop the number of illegals coming across
Posted by: DJ | April 9, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
To the good middle class people of America who voted for Obama and the liberals, with the flood of Mexicans and Central Americans coming, good luck in keeping your job!
Posted by: Mihann | April 9, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
tyler: apparently you do not bother to read or at least read carefully. The provisions that Obama said he wanted in an immigration reform bill are very, very similar to what was in the McCain-Kennedy bill.
Posted by: William J. LePetomane
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William,
that was a bad bill as well. And I opposed it then
Posted by: DJ | April 9, 2009, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Apparantly many of the bloggers here do not understand the subtleties of language and context. Rather they tend to read in statements what they want to read, and use it to conform to their own political beliefs. Thus Clinton supposedly saying that “human rights cannot interfere” with dealing with pressing issues becomes, in the minds of those already pre-disposed to hate Obama “human rights are not a priority.”
Take those kinds of comments with a block of salt.
Posted by: EdDoc80 | April 9, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
I’m all for legal immigration, but this notion that non-citizens who have been here for long periods breaking our laws are somehow entitled to rights is absurd. They are criminals.
They should be deported and “sent to the back of the line” as far as ever entering the country legally and gaining citizenship.
Of course in an administration where one doesn’t pay one’s taxes for years and then becomes the head of the Treasury Department, I could not expect fairness, logic or legality.
Posted by: paul | April 9, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Terry is RIGHT! Obama is a Manchurian Candidate! He ain’t a citizen! He is a spy! Somewhere along the line the trigger will be pulled and he will begin the destruction of democracy!
Posted by: Carl Spackler | April 9, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Hi Carl,
I don’t think we can say he is a Manchurian candidate. The most we can say is we don’t know a lot about him since he has placed much of his history under seal. In my opinion should begin by releasing a copy of the birth certificate, the his undergraduate and post graduate college records.
Posted by: Terry | April 9, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Paul: who, exactly, is going to round them all up (thousands) and physically deport them? We could not possibly hire enough INS agents. How would we pay for it? I say we first secure the borders. Secondly we recognize that thousands of them are HERE. We get them on the tax rolls, legitimatly under their own identities. We levy fines. We require them to learn English. Then, and only then, we consider allowing them to study to become citizens. If they fail to comply anywhere along the line, THEN deport.
Posted by: William J. LePetomane | April 9, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Terry: how many modern presidents have released their college records?
Posted by: EdDoc80 | April 9, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Hi EdDoc80
Well the MSM made a big deal of Mr. Bush’s college record (among his other records) in an attempt to show him in a bad light. Why not equal treatment for the current president. Try to google “George Bush College Grades”.
I’ve somewhere that Mr. Obama may have attended his first undergraduate college on a scholarship intended for foreign students. Could that be true?
Posted by: Terry | April 9, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
Once again Obama does not consider the best interests of the US, and the high unemployment rate that will certainly go higher when illegal aliens are awarded citizenship as payment for their illegal acts.
Not only will this make unemployment worse, as Obama rams this amnesty through he also intends to simultaneously ram through health care proposals that will require we add millions of illegals to our proposed health care program, lets pile on the welfare expansion that was included in the faux stimulus bill and it looks like those americans that actually pay taxes just bought another onerous mega debt.
No problem for the self serving empty suit in the Whitehouse. No price to the taxpayers is too high if it garners the dems a few million more votes.
By the way did you know that when the dems discuss 40 million without insurance they do not subtract out illegals, or those on medicare/medicaid, or any other public health care insurance program for low income families.
When they are subtracted out, and those that simply choose not to pay for health care, even if they can afford it, we are left with 15 million uninsured roughly.
It would be a whole lot cheaper and a leave us with a better health care system if we simply find a way to deal with those that are truly, currently uninsured!
Posted by: Nobama | April 9, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
I’ve somewhere that Mr. Obama may have attended his first undergraduate college on a scholarship intended for foreign students. Could that be true?
Posted by: Terry | Apr 9, 2009 12:56:54 PM
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Yes he did. It was Occidental college and the whistleblower that informed us that he attended as a foreign student of Indonesian citizenship, using his foreign passport, not american was promptly threatened into silence. The college is now on info lockdown and all info has been scrubbed from the web to protect Obama.
Why do you think Obama has spent more than a million dollars fighting release of these records and original birth records. Not the short form birth record, but the long form with the real information.
What is worth more than a million dollars to hide?
I thought this was supposed to be the most transparent administration in history.
If this is all so innocent why waste more than a million donor dollars to hide the records?
I’m not making accusations, but you have to wonder.
Posted by: MNM | April 9, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Secondly we recognize that thousands of them are HERE. We get them on the tax rolls, legitimatly under their own identities. We levy fines. We require them to learn English. Then, and only then, we consider allowing them to study to become citizens. If they fail to comply anywhere along the line, THEN deport.
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How much is that fine, and what if they can’t pay it?
If they are allowed to stay here and work, is citizenship that much of a carrot? They have 90% of what they want- legal residence and a job in the US. Citizenship for their children.
Posted by: MayBee | April 9, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Wouldn’t it be poetic justice if out of work BO supporters had to compete for jobs with illegal immigrants?
Obama’s number one concern is supporters for the next election.
Posted by: meggie | April 9, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Obama has to hurry and push his agenda before American’s wake up.
But hey if people are dumb enough to believe Obama didn’t bow down to the Saudi king they will believe anything he says.
You can bet the Obama administration thinks Americans are dumb–or at least their supporters.
Posted by: sam | April 9, 2009, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
I would like to know what is going to happen to the millions of people who were deported, who have families here in the states. My husband was deported over two years ago after living here legally for seven years. We paid legal fees to lawyers when he was here, and also when he was deported. Along with waivers fees and the expenses of therapy and suddenly living alone, the heartbreak and longing are the toughest to weather. Two months ago we were notified that his waivers were denied. This is unbearably painful to us and our families. I have heard this story many times from others. My husband lives in Belarus. The denial letter said I should live there with him for eight years and then he may be able to apply again. We are both exhausted. How will immigration Reform address this issue?
Posted by: Debra Gorr | April 9, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Republicans see immigrants taking jobs from legal immigrants/Americans.
Democrats see potential voters.
Posted by: bailey | April 9, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
REPUBLICANS will try to KILL this. They got their asses kicked in 2006 and majorly in 2008 Nov Elections. Now they are a minority party with NO REAL SOLUTIONS. Some of their RIGHT WING NUTs pander to NUMBERs USA and VDARE and LIMBAUGh to get their talking points. THEY DONT have any real solutions! The supporters of these ANTI-Immigrant groups usually live on Welfare and support from the state. They are mostly middle school drop outs. They have never held a real job. They lie to advance their racist agenda.
AMERICANs understand that these are the RACIST XENOPHOBes who are trying to create hystria and hype that the entire population is against CIR. But the truth is this group of about 1.6 million (all the members of NumbersUSA which ROy Beck claims to be authentic)voted for Tom Tancredo during the GOPussy Primaries.
1.6 million is about 0.5% of the Entire US Poplulation and they can be safely ignored!
The Administration has the MANDATE of the AMERICAN PEOPLE! 84% of those polled across the Nation favor CIR NOW!
CIR WILL PUSH THROUGH WITH EASE!
DEMOCRATS have the MAJORITY in both House of Reps and Senate.
NUMBERSUSA, VDARE, RUSH, MICHEL, SEAN and other dogs belong to the GOPussy party. Party of NO and We don’t want and no leaders!
Posted by: GOPundit | April 9, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Terry is RIGHT! Obama is a Manchurian Candidate! He ain’t a citizen! He is a spy! Somewhere along the line the trigger will be pulled and he will begin the destruction of democracy!
Posted by: Carl Spackler | Apr 9, 2009 12:42:47 PM
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I think that ship has sailed. He is sending us into deficit/debt territory unimagined when he took office. Multiplying over and over again that which he inherited.
He cuts military spending while increasing by billions spending to special interest groups assuring they will vote for him, illegally and repeatedly if necessary.
He allots 80, 000 military troops to quell unrest in the US. What is he expecting? What about the posse commitatus law that makes this illegal?
Dems have passed an expansion of Americorp that moves it closer to that of an internal military force, (thier words not mine) the bill speaks of youth centers, uniforms (read youth indoctrination) and so on. Now their is a bill in congress to make membership in this indoctrination corp mandatory. I though the constitution abolished indentured servitude and slavery?
While at the G20 Obama voluntarily handed over our sovereignty to a group of unelected Euro financiers who will be allowed to set rules for our financial entities such as banks. I thought we declared independence quite a few years ago, but Obama on his own repealed that declaration.
I am sure the dem footsoldiers will deny all the above but it is easily available on the web in Obama’s own words and in the congressional bills.
Obama has a goal to double overseas aid.
Obama, in addition to that has a plan to commit a percentage of our gross domestic product (read trillions more dollars) causes overseas..he calls this the “global poverty act”
He has nominated a judge who believes sharia law should be considered in US courts.
There is another dem bill in congress giving the government access to ALL private computers and their content, at will.
While complaining about Guantanemo, Obama has set up an alternate prison in Bagram for “enemy combatants” and anyone else he personally deems is a threat and they have absolutely no rights, not even those accorded the prisoners at Guantanemo.
Obama is moving very very quickly to dismantle the support structures, financial and military, of the US while simultaneously planning for the expected uprising.
Whatever he is planning and whatever his intent is , we can be sure it is not in the best interests of the
US. Obama is
He is up to something. He may just hate America but I thin.
This is a very dangerous time for the US. Unfortunately the media has lain down much in the way Obama bowed to the Saudi minister, the media is bowing to Obama and doing his bidding.
Posted by: Nobama | April 9, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
As usual all the world,s problems are American,s fault! What makes it so bad is this view is shared and proclaimed by most American Democrats and especially our President! When will this Nation get Politicians that put American Citizens and this Nation first and let other Nations take care of their own problems?
It seems like our Politicians of both parties want American to apologize & American tax payers to pay and be accountable for every Corrupt Nation, Crook, Greedy bankers, Welfare leeches, Peons, Criminals, All Disease including AID,s, and Marxist & Racist Hate organizations like ACORN, & La Raza in the world!
While every article on the USA and Mexico,s relations points out how the USA is failing Mexico & Latin American little is ever said about Mexico,s & Latin Americans policy to send their Criminals and poverty North for American tax payers to support!
It is official polity, seeming, on both sides of the border and else where in the world to blame everything on the USA and never point out the far more serious crimes against this Nation by Mexico & its Citizens!
The remittance monies Mexico receives from it invading horde of Illegal Aliens from the USA is right up there with drugs and oil. Illegal Aliens blessed, encouraged & assisted in crossing the border and violate USA sovereignty by the Mexican Government. Transporting Illegal Aliens across the border is also an big source of income for the drug cartels, but no attempt is made by the Mexican government to even slow down the invading horde because of the remittances received. Transport of Mexico’s Criminals & Uneducated peons to the USA for American citizens to support and be the victims as they Rob, Rape and Kill Americans citizens at an rate Bin Laden and the terrorist can only dream about. It also relives the pressure of over population, uncontrollable breeding & poverty in Mexico and a possible revolution by its citizens!
It should be acknowledged that the invasion is also supported by American Politicians pandering for the Latino vote. The USA constitution, Article IV Section IV against invasion, The rule of Law and their Oath of office seems to be of little value or hindrances to nearly all of the Democrats including POTUS and many of the Republican politicians!
Welfare votes and cheap labor are more important than our Constitution, the rule of Law, or the future of this Nation and the Welfare of American citizens to politicians on both sides of the border!
Poll after poll shows Americans citizens want our borders closed and our laws enforced! American Citizens have about had it with both Mexico and its invading horde of fast breeding, welfare loving parasites & the corrupt politicians that support them!
Until corrupt/pandering/worthless politicians on both sides of the border are held accountable and forced to obey their Constitution, The Rule of Law, and the selling out of their Nation and citizens for bribes where it be by drug cartels in Mexico or lobbyist in the USA, or in the pursuit of votes, cheap labor, or any other reason that is counter to and in conflict with the Constitution & the Rule of Law, the deterioration of our nations and increases in Crime, Corruption, Poverty and Misery for its citizens will continue!
Posted by: Black Saint | April 9, 2009, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Undocumented immigrants paying more taxes than you think!!
Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.
The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.
Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.
In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.
The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.
Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.
But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.
According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.
One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.
No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.
Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.
The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.
The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.
To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.
Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.
With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.
The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?
Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.
Posted by: American PAtriot | April 9, 2009, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
12 million new voters for Obama.
ACORN will be quite busy.
Posted by: reese | April 9, 2009, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
Terry: my point remains. So supposedly the Washington Post somehow clandestinely got copies of transcripts. So did Bush release them as you want Obama to do?
Posted by: EdDoc80 | April 9, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
Google the phrase “human rights are not a priority” if you want to compile a list of those so “predisposed to hate Obama” that they use those exact words as their headline for the story. Among them you will find the hatefully-predisposed Independent, which evidently does not understand the subtleties of language (John Kerry might have said “nuance”).
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | April 9, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
From the Hatefully Predisposed Huffington Post:
“Hillary Was Right to Downplay Human Rights in China. International legitimacy depends on consistency. The less we sound like we preach human rights only when it’s to our advantage (and we’re not prepared to back it up) the better.”
They didn’t understand the subtlety of Mrs. Clinton’s language.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | April 9, 2009, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Amnesty means that Mexico has colonized this Nation and did what no military power on earth could take this Nation without fired an shot! Unless you count all the American killed each year by the invading horde of Illegal Aliens! They kill more American citizens each year than the terrorist have in 20 years! Amnesty will add 200 million Uneducated Gang joining, Welfare loving Hispanic and change this Nation into an Spanish speak third world cesspool in 25 years!
Posted by: Black Saint | April 9, 2009, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
Ronald Reagan signed the 1986 Amnesty engineered by the liberal hero, the Socialist, Womanize, Drunk and Killer Ed Kennedy. Thereby, increasing the welfare and crime rate more than any single bill ever passed, (with the possible exception of probation on crime) while encouraged millions of uneducated peons & criminals to pour across our borders until now we have suffered the largest invasion in the history of the world, of any Nation, at any time, by any means!
The 20 to 40 millions of uneducated illegal aliens currently residing in this country is turning the USA into the largest Socialist Nation in the world. Each head of household with less than a high school education, Legal or Illegal is an net drain of 20k per year on the backs of American tax payers.
The cost for their Medical, Schooling and Welfare makes them the most expensive manual labor in the world. Now we have both parties pandering for the Latino vote and promising Amnesty which will compound the problems allowing them to access even more social benefits!
The businesses employing the Illegal Aliens are in effect enjoying nearly slave labor while pocketing the profits and driving down our standard of living while passing on the actual cost to American tax payers of not only his employees but all of their family members residing with them.
The globalist, multiculturalism, open border advocates, liberals & businesses profiting from and exploiting Illegal Aliens argue that they, the Illegal Aliens, pay tons of taxes, sure they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books approximately 35 % using stolen Social Security numbers or other fraudulent documents pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they’re mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working. In fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! Of course, the remaining 65% of the Illegal Aliens working off the books typically work for cash and pay nothing except real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states).
The Latinos that make up the largest group of the Illegal Aliens population has the largest school drop out rate of any ethnic group in the USA, second highest illegitimate birth rate, second highest crime rate, highest total birth rate and recent studies confirm they start dropping out of school, using drugs, having illegitimate kids, joining gangs at an earlier age then any ethnic group in the USA.
This behavior continues even after citizenship and down through each generation. This culture characteristic explains why Mexico and Latin American, while having more natural resources and moderate climate than most First World Nations are still mired in an Third World Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty and Misery!
Mexico’s and Latin American’s primary economic policy is to send their Uneducated peons and Criminals to the US for Tax payers to support and be the Victims as they rob, rape and slaughter Americans by the 10,s of thousands, Businesses to Exploit and profit from, and for Corrupt Politicians to Pander and Cuddle! While Mexico has one of the most punitive and strictly enforced immigration policies in the world!
Amnestying them & with chain immigration for their relatives and their relatives in an never ending chain will add 100,s of millions, a vast underclass of fast breeding, uneducated citizens that will make it impossible to continue the social network for American tax payers. When that occurs you will see riots, fires and pillage from coast to coast that will make the recent rioting in French by Muslim immigrants look like an cook out!
A recent study by the International Monetary fund confirms that remittance is not only is bad for the remittance country but for the country receiving the money. It allows the home country (normally third world nations) to keep from addressing the problems and improving their citizens standard of living and continue the same policies and keeping in power the corrupt government without facing an revolution and demands from citizens for improvements. So, our open borders and amnesty for the invading horde of illegal aliens is not only bad policy for this Nation but perpetrates the poverty and misery in the home countries.
We are now seeing that the Illegal Aliens can not only impact this Nation but the global economy as well. Many of the Sub-Prime loans & defaults were to Illegal Aliens that started the unraveling of the Global Economy! Just like our Declining standard of living, Bankrupt Hospitals, Failing Schools, Welfare costs, Identity fraud, Welfare fraud, Voter fraud, Gangs, Crime, Crowded prisons, Destroyed communities, Exploding population, Congested roads, Pollution, Insurance costs, Balance of payments, (Imported oil etc. to support the illegal alien population) Trashed Constitution and the Rule of Law, they have now spread their negative impact & misery across the Globe.
It looks like with American heading into a very bad recession or more likely an depression, The 100,s of billions the Illegal Aliens are costing American tax payers for free medical, schooling, welfare etc. needs to be spend on American citizens, not invading criminals from third world counties, plus the 40 to 50 billions remittance by Illegal aliens needs to stay in the country to simulate this economy and force Mexico & Latin American to address their problems!
Last but not least, all Nations immigration policies are by design & intent suppose to enhance the Nation and its Citizens that immigrated legally, obeyed the laws, paid the taxes, fought the wars and built the nation! Clearly for the reasons numerated above Amnesty for the invading horde of uneducated peons and criminals does not meet this criteria.
They certainly must not be used to further the political careers and lust for power of Corrupt/Pandering Politicians that refuse to abide by Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution against Invasion, Enforce our Immigration Laws, or Honor their Oath of Office!
Posted by: Black Saint | April 9, 2009, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Obama has some former La Raza activists on his Staff. Will this affect his objectivity in making a decision for Immigration Reform? Of course! But I am not anti-immigration. I just want a bipartisan solution. Some people may arguably claim that illegal aliens are not a real drain to state coffers except that they do not include law enforcement, prison, and border safety, the latter of which are under-funded in bankrupt California.
Posted by: T961585 | April 9, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Ronald Reagan signed the 1986 Amnesty engineered by the liberal hero, the Socialist, Womanize, Drunk and Killer Ed Kennedy. Thereby, increasing the welfare and crime rate more than any single bill ever passed, (with the possible exception of probation on crime) while encouraged millions of uneducated peons & criminals to pour across our borders until now we have suffered the largest invasion in the history of the world, of any Nation, at any time, by any means!
The 20 to 40 millions of uneducated illegal aliens currently residing in this country is turning the USA into the largest Socialist Nation in the world. Each head of household with less than a high school education, Legal or Illegal is an net drain of 20k per year on the backs of American tax payers.
The cost for their Medical, Schooling and Welfare makes them the most expensive manual labor in the world. Now we have both parties pandering for the Latino vote and promising Amnesty which will compound the problems allowing them to access even more social benefits!
The businesses employing the Illegal Aliens are in effect enjoying nearly slave labor while pocketing the profits and driving down our standard of living while passing on the actual cost to American tax payers of not only his employees but all of their family members residing with them.
The globalist, multiculturalism, open border advocates, liberals & businesses profiting from and exploiting Illegal Aliens argue that they, the Illegal Aliens, pay tons of taxes, sure they all pay real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states). Those working on the books approximately 35 % using stolen Social Security numbers or other fraudulent documents pay FICA and, perhaps, income taxes. But they’re mostly ill-educated and low-skilled and pay very low taxes connected to their working. In fact, most claim the Earned Income Tax Credit, i.e. negative income tax! Of course, the remaining 65% of the Illegal Aliens working off the books typically work for cash and pay nothing except real estate taxes (in rent) and sales taxes (most states).
The Latinos that make up the largest group of the Illegal Aliens population has the largest school drop out rate of any ethnic group in the USA, second highest illegitimate birth rate, second highest crime rate, highest total birth rate and recent studies confirm they start dropping out of school, using drugs, having illegitimate kids, joining gangs at an earlier age then any ethnic group in the USA.
This behavior continues even after citizenship and down through each generation. This culture characteristic explains why Mexico and Latin American, while having more natural resources and moderate climate than most First World Nations are still mired in an Third World Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty and Misery!
Mexico’s and Latin American’s primary economic policy is to send their Uneducated peons and Criminals to the US for Tax payers to support and be the Victims as they rob, rape and slaughter Americans by the 10,s of thousands, Businesses to Exploit and profit from, and for Corrupt Politicians to Pander and Cuddle! While Mexico has one of the most punitive and strictly enforced immigration policies in the world!
Amnestying them & with chain immigration for their relatives and their relatives in an never ending chain will add 100,s of millions, a vast underclass of fast breeding, uneducated citizens that will make it impossible to continue the social network for American tax payers. When that occurs you will see riots, fires and pillage from coast to coast that will make the recent rioting in French by Muslim immigrants look like an cook out!
A recent study by the International Monetary fund confirms that remittance is not only is bad for the remittance country but for the country receiving the money. It allows the home country (normally third world nations) to keep from addressing the problems and improving their citizens standard of living and continue the same policies and keeping in power the corrupt government without facing an revolution and demands from citizens for improvements. So, our open borders and amnesty for the invading horde of illegal aliens is not only bad policy for this Nation but perpetrates the poverty and misery in the home countries.
We are now seeing that the Illegal Aliens can not only impact this Nation but the global economy as well. Many of the Sub-Prime loans & defaults were to Illegal Aliens that started the unraveling of the Global Economy! Just like our Declining standard of living, Bankrupt Hospitals, Failing Schools, Welfare costs, Identity fraud, Welfare fraud, Voter fraud, Gangs, Crime, Crowded prisons, Destroyed communities, Exploding population, Congested roads, Pollution, Insurance costs, Balance of payments, (Imported oil etc. to support the illegal alien population) Trashed Constitution and the Rule of Law, they have now spread their negative impact & misery across the Globe.
It looks like with American heading into a very bad recession or more likely an depression, The 100,s of billions the Illegal Aliens are costing American tax payers for free medical, schooling, welfare etc. needs to be spend on American citizens, not invading criminals from third world counties, plus the 40 to 50 billions remittance by Illegal aliens needs to stay in the country to simulate this economy and force Mexico & Latin American to address their problems!
Last but not least, all Nations immigration policies are by design & intent suppose to enhance the Nation and its Citizens that immigrated legally, obeyed the laws, paid the taxes, fought the wars and built the nation! Clearly for the reasons numerated above Amnesty for the invading horde of uneducated peons and criminals does not meet this criteria.
They certainly must not be used to further the political careers and lust for power of Corrupt/Pandering Politicians that refuse to abide by Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution against Invasion, Enforce our Immigration Laws, or Honor their Oath of Office!
Posted by: Black Saint | April 9, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
The Democrats under Obama, Reid & Nancy are intending to bankrupt the USA & then they can complete the ghettoizing of the rest of the USA population, the same way they did the blacks population, get most of the Nation on welfare beholden to the Democrat party and they have an lock on power forever!
It has worked very successfully with the blacks, now with amnesty for the 20 to 30 million, invading illegal aliens alone with chain immigration for their relatives & their relatives in an never ending chain means within a few years over 200 million , uneducated, welfare loving, gang joining, fast breeding Hispanics! This combined with the black population and you have an Socialist Third World Welfare state, controlled lock, stock and barrel by the Democrat party!
Long live the Dear Leaders Obama, Reid & Nancy!
Posted by: Black Saint | April 9, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
If he rewards lawbreakers he will be a one term president. This is one issue that the overwhelming majority of legal US citizen from both parties agree on. NO REWARDING CRIMINAL ILLEGALS LAWBREAKERS. We cannot let illegals take jobs from US citizens. Jobs in the US should be given to US citizens for a living wage. This makes my blood boil. This is in direct violation of the constitution. This act is treason!
Posted by: AM | April 9, 2009, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
The law is the law is the LAW….period. They only want to work…don’t care! They contribute so much to our economy…don’t care! Each and everyone of the millions of illegals here now are common criminals….not undocumented citizens, undocumented aliens workers withot papers or whatever the nickname du jour is. They are criminals….each dollar they use in benefits is stolen from a deserving American, each fake SS number they use is fraud, and a felony at that…..they are criminals. Any open eyed look at what illegals have done to this nation over the last 20 years will show that they have done little good…and caused great harm.
Posted by: Jpgd | April 9, 2009, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
It is time we start to talk about this problem. The republicans has ‘fooled’ us year after year….nothing has been done. Why….wanted their votes, and their slave labor. THIS HAS TO BE DEALT WITH, EVENTUALL. The immigrates will have to do it right….border patrol has to be taken seriously. This should have never happen…..I blame Texas, Arizona and the rest of the Republican states.
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 9, 2009, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Posted by: be careful Americans | Apr 9, 2009 11:28:34 AM
This is an excellent post. Some of the comments that President Obama is saying are going against the policies of our State Department, supposedly his policies.
President Obama has to be called out on this. We must be “careful” least our State Department is undermined. These reckless comments by President Obama are only weakening our supposed “renewed” commitment to human rights.
What is he thinking? “HUMAN RIGHTS IS NOT A PRIORITY”!! Our Secretary of State stated otherwise in her “confirmation” hearings. He needs to google these transcripts to remind himself of his own “supposed” policy. (Especially the exchange between Senator Boxer and Clinton.)
President Obama needs to catch up or stop talking about Foreign Policy and let our State Department take the lead on issues of human rights least we are once again seen as “hypocritical”, as we were clearly viewed under the Bush Administration.
Posted by: No More | April 9, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
I believe that students who were brought into the United States by their parents years ago and have been lived the “American life” their whole lives diserve the right to have an American Dream. It is unfair to them to have their American Dream regected because of their legal status.
Posted by: Judith | April 9, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
sngeorgia: “This should have never happen…..I blame Texas, Arizona and the rest of the Republican states.”
what about california? Last I checked, they are a border state with an extremely large population of illegal immigrants.
It’s the law. They are called ‘Illegals’ for a reason. Send them back. As for the ones who support McCain’s plan vs. just deporting all of them now, what’s the cost differential between the two? I would imagine deportation would be a lot cheaper. Let’s face it, we are not in a position to be spending money right now…even though our gov’t is doing it daily.
Posted by: stdntDrvr | April 9, 2009, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
When you’re born in Hawaii, something
happens to the brain early in life.
Must be the water.
Posted by: Trajan | April 9, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
before we kick out all the illegal/undocumented workers we had better make sure that we have Ameriican citizens who will perform the immigrants’ work. if not we will have a very serious problem. does anyone posting want to lay bricks for 12 hours a day far below the minimum wage, or work on roads in the middle of the summer? anyone up for some fruit picking and farm labor in 100 degree heat seven days a week at below the minimum wage? where are these US citizens who will do this work?
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 9, 2009, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
people are stupid. How long do you think that once the illegal criminals are made legal that they will continue to “lay bricks 12hrs a day for less than minimum wage” or do these other jobs. Nope. Sorry. Firstly, they will demand legal wages. Secondly, they will avail themselves, to even a greater degree, or social programs. Thirdly, they will unionize or otherwise agitate for higher wages. So this argument from the amnesty-fans is ridiculous! I also wonder why people who like “human rights” justify people working in near slave conditions for bad wages like its a good thing! Weird. How about better pay for these jobs and give the jobs to AMERICANS!
Posted by: Ed | April 9, 2009, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Ed—i agree with what your saying. i think using illegal workers to finance our lifestyle is a humans rights abuse. i didn’t mean to imply it wasn’t. but as you must know the cost of home construction, road repairs and foods will be catastrophic to the economy. i agree with you on your premise, deport them or nationalize them and pay them fair (legal wages). yes of course they’ll ask for union wages, etc. as any american would. but who can afford a cheaply-built, 1000 square foot house for $5 million dollars? or eat a $300 orange? our economy is dependent on the system using undocumented laborers.
so lets nationalize or deport, whichever you choose. the costs will be staggering, truly. either way. things only stay the way they are if we leave well enough alone.
but using human beings to support our economy and then lok down upon them and deport them when they get sick and can’t work is a human rights violation and i don’t want to be part of that.
so let’s all get ready to pay up.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 9, 2009, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
I think all American citizens should take this plan as an insult to each and every one of us. The cities an local municipalities are strapped by increasing expenses and declining tax revenue, as well as dealing with job losses and the corresponding negative effects. If businesses need the laborers, then changes need to be made to the immigration laws.
Posted by: deanbob | April 9, 2009, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Trajan | Apr 9, 2009 3:45:39 PM….PLease don’t assume all who were born in Hawaii have socialistic tendencies! Maybe it was the Texas influence on me (been here for 40 years).
Posted by: deanbob | April 9, 2009, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Ed—or we can just do the math:
an illegal/undocumented worker is paid $4.50 an hour for 10 hours per day, six days a week, no holidays. his employer contributes nothing (no insurance costs). a legal citizen, who fairly deserves the job, will demand 8 hour a day job, five days a week and will start after (union union wages, retirement, benefits) at $50/hr (no holidays, no rainy days, no days over 100 degrees).
how much is a house going to cost made by our citizen-worker? and can you afford that?
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 9, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Paul Wall | Apr 9, 2009 4:48:32 PM…..What state do you live in? In Texas, I don’t think the rate would be anywhere near that ($50/hr). The union presence is sparse.
Posted by: deanbob | April 9, 2009, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
deanbob—i agree with you sir. i actually do live in Texas and we have undocumented workers. and houses are cheap and affordable. and you are correct Texas is a right-to-work state. i seriously doubt any US citizen would work in home construction for under $20/hr. (plus health, retirement). even though there are many unions in Texas (GM, Bell) people still make fairly good salaries and low cost of living. but that would still place a $125,000 house at nearly a million dollars. and people who live in apartments will see massive rent hikes because apartments will be made by citizens.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 9, 2009, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
deanbob—i would add , sir, since i read you are in Hawaii but are originally from Texas that you could understand cost difference in buying a nice 2,500 sq foot house in Honolulu versus suburban Dallas. i don’t know if homebuilders have unions in Hawaii but you could imagine how cheap homes would be there if they were built by people being paid under the legal minimum wage.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 9, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
I guess Obama wants to be a one term president.
Posted by: ken | April 9, 2009, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
Illegal “aliens” as they are frequently reffered as, are simply people….who have a hard background. They want to escape poverty, lack of opportunity to suceed in their native homelands or are in the pursuit of improving their lives by coming to america to pursuit the american dream. All you people look down on them like if they were literally “aliens”, which to me is such an ignorant and derogatory term to be reffered by. But guess what you unsimpathetic people … THEY ARE THE ONES WHO DO THE HARD WORK THAT AMERICANS DON’T WANT TO DO!!! Ofcourse a reform is needed…I’m not saying amnesty towards all the illegals is the answer, because I know the republicans will never allow it. Those who have a felony criminal background should be deported, but those hard working people who want to stay here with their families, who want to better themselves, who love America should be given an opportunity to come out of the shadows and work with the rest of us to make America a greater and more prosperous nation. Have some sympathy for them…. you don’t undertand what they go through…you people pass judgement towards them like if you were God…. don’t judge them like if they all perform criminal activities in this country, who don’t contribute….. Remember Love your neighbor and Only GOd can judge.
Posted by: Valery | April 9, 2009, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
When you’re born in Hawaii, something
happens to the brain early in life.
Must be the water.
Posted by: Trajan | Apr 9, 2009 3:45:39 PM
————————————-
Or maybe it was the Cocaine!!
Posted by: Peggy97478 | April 9, 2009, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm
Brilliant Mr President……….JUST BRILLIANT !!!!!!!!!!
With the Latino vote, your second term is GUARENTEED !!!!!!!
Posted by: Can rush get any FATTER? | April 9, 2009, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
there is no way the gop will be able to beat this guy. he is going to make them look like they hate mexicans. and you better believe that the latino vote is going to be the major group in four years. he must be one heck of a chess player.
Posted by: thomas | April 9, 2009, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm
Valery—what you wrote was really nice and very true. i live in Dallas and my neighborhood is primarily Hispanic. they are hard working people and they do jobs no “American” would do. they are polite and i don’t know or care if they are citizens or not. they are building the community i live in. their children are becoming doctors and lawyers and that is as it should be.
please do not be discouraged by the hateful comments you read here. many believe the are the judges instead of God. everyone who disagrees with them is a socialist traitor. they live in their inexpensive, affordable well-built homes, built on the backs of immigrants and want those same immigrants deported.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 9, 2009, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
More of the cheap labor policy. There was amnesty in the past and no enforcement. Each time the immigration law cheaters say give us a pass enforce the law on future cheaters. In a sense the path to citizenship goes beyond amnesty. In most cases amnesty is granted for some past crime that has stop. In this case the amnesty is granted for the past crime and you get a license to continue to commit the act. The gang led by Reid, McCain, Pelosi seem to care little about the rule of law and the interest of American citizens. A little enforcement would have reduce the magnitude of the problem. Legalization of the illegal immigrants will just make it easier for them to take more desirable jobs.
Posted by: merchantilist | April 9, 2009, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
More of the cheap labor policy. There was amnesty in the past and no enforcement. Each time the immigration law cheaters say give us a pass enforce the law on future cheaters. In a sense the path to citizenship goes beyond amnesty. In most cases amnesty is granted for some past crime that has stop. In this case the amnesty is granted for the past crime and you get a license to continue to commit the act. The gang led by Reid, McCain, Pelosi seem to care little about the rule of law and the interest of American citizens. A little enforcement would have reduce the magnitude of the problem. Legalization of the illegal immigrants will just make it easier for them to take more desirable jobs.
Posted by: merchantilist | April 9, 2009, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
He just wants an extra 12 million votes in 2012. That’s all this is about.
Posted by: Indie | April 9, 2009, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
People here don’t understand the real culprit: NAFTA.
NAFTA was designed to push millions of Mexicans, especially farmers, off of their land. Remember, the government there isn’t allowed under NAFTA to give their farmers subsidies like we do.
So the poor farmers and others have to flee north to find work so they can survive. Calling them “cheaters” and other derogatory names ignores the corporate forces behind this.
If people focused on overturning or renegotiating NAFTA, it would be more productive than just complaining about “illegal aliens.”
Posted by: Joan | April 9, 2009, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Re: “Why do you think Obama has spent more than a million dollars fighting release of these records and original birth records.”
If Obama were born in a foreign country his mother’s passport would show that she traveled outside of the US the year Obama was born.
Obviouisly there is nothing to this story…
Posted by: Joan | April 9, 2009, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
Re: “They are going to make sure that the Republicans are going to get the majority in ’10 and the whitehouse in ’12.”
Republicans are finished. They are a regional Southern party and that’s all they will ever be.
Posted by: Joan | April 9, 2009, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Illegal immigration out of control…State Assembly held by a Democrat majority…HIGH TAXES that discourage business and tax paying citizens moving and leaving the State…Medical/welfare/food stamps/sec. 8 housing increasing 50-60% in some areas a lot due to illegal immigration..Over crowded hospital emergency rooms..our education system crying for funds due to illegal immigration..EIGHT BILLION DOLLARS GOES STRICTLY FOR SUPPORT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION…Where your ask?? You want to look into your future just look into my home state of California
Posted by: Parallax View | April 9, 2009, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
Valery, So, what you are tiring to tell me is that construction jobs, truck driving, and factory jobs are jobs we don’t want to do? Or is it that we don’t want to do them for poverty wages. Is $20.00 per hr. to high of a wage? Or should all American Labors work for $2.00 per hr. like they do in Mexico. Where is Obama going to get his trillion’s of dollars when he taxes businesses out of the country and what ones that are left are paying poverty wages. Maybe he can sell the country to China.
Posted by: Rich | April 9, 2009, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm
The people in this country, Repubs, Dems and Independents are in no mood for a massive Amnesty in a time of economic meltdown. Any member of Congress who tries to push this through will be thrown out on his keester in 2010! Take it to the bank!
Posted by: Peggy97478 | April 10, 2009, 3:49 am 3:49 am
A “legal way to citizenship” for people who are using fake Social Security cards, have driven wages down, are raping our social programs, commit crimes higher than average rates, etc…etc… YOU’VE GOT TO BE KIDDING! OBAMA is doing everything possible to HURT this nation and any politician who endorses any form of amnesty, will find that there still is a great number of us who will oppose this tooth and nail! THIS IS NOT MEXICO! DEPORT THEM ALL NOW and watch how quickly wages increase, hospital and school overcrowding ends,and insurance fraud drops. People who are in this country illegally have worked the system and are captitalizing in every way possible. They have NO LOYALTY to this nation (in fact – Latino groups in Los Angeles are currently bragging about how they “won the war without a single bullet fired”). We have to stop giving these thieves jobs and put them on buses back to the nation they’re so proud of. THIS IS AMERICA!!!!!!
Posted by: DEPORT THEM ALL | April 10, 2009, 6:43 am 6:43 am
For turning the United States into a third world nation. His speaking skills can no longer mask the fact that he hates this country and is doing everything he can to see us falter.
Posted by: Impeach Obama | April 10, 2009, 6:51 am 6:51 am
I guess that the U.S. should always put immigration near the top of our priority list – if only the Native Americans had implemented similar policies!
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | April 10, 2009, 7:36 am 7:36 am
The majority of legal US citizens have already spoken loud and clear on this subject. Enforce the laws on the books, secure the border and no rewarding illegal lawbreakers. Even if the chamber of commerce and the new world rules say so. Our constitution and the rule of law are being violated by our treasonous govt – both parties. Many Americans died for the sovereignty of our nation, the rule of law, and for our constitution, ensuring us life, liberty and persuit of happiness. Our bill of rights all to be stolen from us, like our economy. Why should illegal lawbreakers be rewarded to break our laws? They are here not only for a better life but to steal jobs for less pay — and that is the reason they are allowed to break out laws. Our govt is bought off by greedy business. Business should benefits all employees not just a few.
Posted by: AM | April 10, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am
AM | Apr 10, 2009 10:01:56 AM…….Articlulated very well and I agree.
Posted by: deanbob | April 10, 2009, 10:40 am 10:40 am
everyone loves to bash the illegal/undocumented workers. i hope you are willing to pay the high price once your “shut the border, expel all the immigrants, ALL OF THEM” comes true. the prices of homes will rise at least 10-fold and many foods will become highly priced.
do some research and math to figure out what anti-immigration policies will do to our economy.
most of you are living in homes that were probably built by illegal immigrants making it affordable to you. that’s pathetic to let someone build your home and then turn around and demand their deportation. good luck with that.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am
Hey Paul: I believe you must be making money off them. I have eaten in this country since I was born over 50 years ago. That is why we have a legal process already on the books for guest workers. If the food price do go up it is only because the greedy are going to punish us for not letting the lawbreakers become citizens and supply them with non living wage cheap labor ($Millions for upper management and $1 for the worker). AND Thank god my house was not built by illegals. I was more intelligent that that. The ones built by illegals, were supposed to be bought by the lawbreakers, but the scam did not work out correctly. Those are toxic assets now built by lawbreakers to ruin our economy and wipe out the value of our biggest asset. To bring us to our knees and beg the illegals to stay! No way Hosea – never!
Posted by: MO | April 10, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
MO, i don’t know who you are or where you’re from. it’s nice your house was built by american citizens, hopefully union workers. in the southwest people can afford to live in homes because it doesn’t cost $1,000,000 to live in a 900 sq foot squat. i don’t make money off immigrants. they live in my community and work hard and do jobs no american would do. when american workers do their work at $20/hr you can kiss this economy goodbye. half the homes in this country were built using immigrant labor at below minimum wage (and without benefits)—finds some good patriotic americans to do that. you built you own house, good for you. most houses are built on the backs of immigrants and most people spit at those same immigrants that built their homes and demand their deportation.
once they are gone everyone will be begging on their knees to come back. not you of course, since the economy doesn’t affect you. but i’m concerned if we deport all undocumented workers no americans will fill those holes and if they do what will they be paid. show me an american citizen who will work for minimum wage, six days a week with no benefits doing hard labor. just one.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
MO—you’re saying i illegally bought my home because illegal, undocumented workers built it. it’s not just my house, ma’am or sir, it’s every house and building and apartment complex in my city. your hero President george Bush lives in one. even people who build their own homes use illegal immigrants. why pay $20,000 for a plumber and $30,000 for the electrician when you can find illegals to do for 1% of that?
send all the food handlers, crop workers and fruit pickers back to Mexico. your orange is going to cost $30 not because the company owner is mad it’s because he has to pay a citizen $20/hr with benefits.
i do confess that i like your stick-it-to-the-rich attitude. because they will make a profit either way. it comes down to what we are going to pay.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
MO, who’s HOSEA anyway?
don’t ever say i make money off of people when you do the same. every american does including you. you reap the benefit of having illegal workers do the hardest work and get little for it. our economy will be in terrible shape without them. i am ashamed as an american that these people are used, abused and then builders call INS and have them deported without even making a dollar. some never get paid. in my city a guy fell 30 stories building a townhouse building and as soon as he was well he was deported. it was in the news. but you don’t care about these people at all. you would them, hispanics/latinos and blacks to all be gone don’t you?
you think illegal workers only build houses for ACORN? are you serious??? ROFLMFAO.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
This path to citizenship is basically amnesty. It’s amnesty with some fees attached. It isn’t fair to people who are waiting in their country to come here. The only way it wouldn’t be amnesty is if they have to go to their country and wait. Also included is a stipulation that they prove they’ve been in the country illegally for 5 years or more. How hard is that going to be when they can have documents forged like they did with the last amnesty. He also wants to make it easier to bring family too, that way we will end up with about 75 million immigrants within a short time frame. With our economy and unemployment the way it is, can we sustain that many illegal immigrants? It’s possible we could end up with more than that even after 1.illegal immigrants 2.illegal immigrants families 3. the illegals that will rush here and have documents forged when they hear of an amnesty.
Posted by: Melissa | April 10, 2009, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
People keep saying the amount of money illegal immigrants contribute, that alone doesn’t say much. What do they contribute versus what they cost? That’s what we need to know. Also, they don’t only do jobs Americas won’t do. Americans lined up for jobs after an ICE raid. Hundreds of Americans lined up to flip burgers. So that excuse is old. We have laws for a reason, we need to enforce them. The previous amnesty was a disaster, not only was their substantial fraud, who knows how many people received citizenship that shouldn’t have, it also sent the message that you can’t ignore the law and be rewarded. Why would the US want to repeat the exact same mistake.
Posted by: Melissa | April 10, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Myth #6: Undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes.
Undocumented immigrants pay the same real estate taxes—whether they own homes or taxes are passed through to rents—and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The majority of state and local costs of schooling and other services are funded by these taxes. Additionally, the U.S. Social Security Administration has estimated that three quarters of undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes, and that they contribute $6-7 billion in Social Security funds that they will be unable to claim (Porter 2005).
What you don’t mention is that they are using a stolen social security number.
Posted by: Melissa | April 10, 2009, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Melissa—flipping burgers for $7 is very different than laying bricks far below the minimum wage. please suggest links where we can also view the millions of americans in line to flip burgers. standing in line to get unemployment benefits doesn’t mean those people are waiting for fast-food jobs.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
“Schmierer realized she had a problem in February 2005, when she got a statement from the IRS saying she owed $15,813 in back taxes — even though she had not worked since her son was born in 2000.
Perhaps even more surprising, the taxes were due from jobs in Texas.
Schmierer called the IRS and learned that numerous people were using her Social Security number. Officials said the erroneous balances would be eliminated, but the agency would have to correct the problem again in future years.”
She had her social security number used by illegal immigrants.
Posted by: Melissa | April 10, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Melissa—”What you don’t mention is that they are using a stolen social security number.” so what? their employer wasn’t contributing anything. everytime an immigrant buys food, pays for a place to stay, buys gas he or she is paying taxes. at the end of a long year of hard labor they don’t get a nice fat refund like the average american married couple.
these people aren’t welfare leeches. they are building this nation and not being compensated anywhere near what their labor is worth. the have the jobs they have because no american, NOT ONE, would take their jobs, much less the thousands you see in line waiting for their jobs. no american is ever going to do this back-breaking work for $4/hr, 6-days a week, no benefits, no holidays. time to wake up.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
I didn’t say millions, I said hundreds. Besides that, there shouldn’t be jobs below minimum wage, that’s the only reason they are hired. Of course legal citizens don’t take jobs below minimum wage obviously, they shouldn’t have to, it’s illegal. That’s exactly why employers need to have stiff penalties for hiring illegal immigrants and paying below minimum wage.
Posted by: Melissa | April 10, 2009, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
So basically you think it’s acceptable to use illegal immigrants to work $4 an hour? If employers raised the wages, then citizens would do them.
Posted by: Melissa | April 10, 2009, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
“EDWARDS – Jeremy Lepore lost his Social Security number and identity to illegal immigrants.
The 27-year-old Edwards resident misplaced his wallet in Denver earlier this year. He kissed the Social Security card, credit cards and other items inside good-bye. And in May, the Internal Revenue Service sent Lepore a letter asking for $4,600 in unpaid taxes for three jobs in Golden, Colo. and Wisconsin that he had never held.
Two illegal immigrants had used Lepore’s Social Security number to get jobs, he said.
“I literally was dumbfounded because I had no idea this was possible,” Lepore said.”
These taxes didn’t get paid either.
Posted by: Melissa | April 10, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Melissa, my apologies, you did say there were hundreds of citizens waiting in line to flip burgers. the last time i got a burger there wasn’t anybody waiting in line to get an application. but that’s just where i live.
i agree with your premise that $4 is an illegal wage. so where is the enforcement? there is no enforcement because the US thrives on these peoples’ backs. go ahead and hire an american citizen, legally, to lay pipe, bricks, cement at $7/hr. you won’t see citizens standing in line until that figure goes way up ($15-20) and americans want benefits and retirement.
i’m all for enforcing the law and legal immigration. the only reason there is illegal immigration is that American citizens will have a meltdwon at the cost of homes built by US citizens (and US citizens have a right to unionize don’t they?) or the cost of an orange picked by a US citizen, a member of a union. middle-america cannot pay $3 milli for a 900 foot home ot eat a $40 orange.
all the immigrant haters think that when the immigrants leave they won’t have to see anymore brown faces. once they see the cost of a house ar an apple they will beg for imigration reform and amnsety. anything to lower costs.
you may live in an area of the country where homes are built and fruit is picked by union workers and don’t mind the cost. the poor and entire middle-class do care about the cost. and unless you can explain how you will keep costs down after your mass deportations
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
and Melissa, you using one or two examples of identity theft and trying to pin that on the entire immigrant community is misleading and not factual, AT BEST. your average identity theft perpetrator is, as you know, a US citizen.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
“If employers raised the wages, then citizens would do them.”
and when citizens do them the cost goes where? up, you guessed right. how far up? far enough that the american people won’t tolerate it.
that’s why President Bush never acted and why Senator McCain is opposed to deporting working immigrants. Romney a businessman, knows the situation well and will not enforce. only a president Limbaugh will deport all aliens and then we will have an economy like Mexico’s.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
I was not trying to blame all identity theft on illegal immigrants. How many of these people leave tax bills to people whose SS#’s were stolen?
Posted by: Melissa | April 10, 2009, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
To know the actual amount prices would go up, it would need to be analyzed. You can’t pretend illegal immigration is all sunshine and rainbows. You have to actually see both sides, which I do, but to actually know the real benefits/negatives, we would need a non biased study.
Posted by: melissa | April 10, 2009, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Melissa—”how many of these people leave tax bills”? by “these people” you mean immigrants? who knows, probably very few. those that try to get SSI cards are doing so only to get employed or give an employer someevidence that the employer tried to verify immigration status. the immigrants are working all day not pulling scams. they are no legally paid anyway. the percentage of immigrants who get legal visas and are paid minimum wage is miniscule compared to those doing work far, far below the minimum wage and poverty line.
if you are concerned about SSI fraud, by all means address that. but don’t amke it seem like SSI fraud is a problem caused by immigrants. identity theft is a crime practiced predominantly and almost exclusively by our little white brothers and sisters (full US citizens) on the US side of the border. these are the lazy fool who need the incentive of union wage jobs to built a house, otherwise they just stay at home on the pc and steal people’s identities……meanwhile back at the ranch the illegal workers are laboring long hours on hot days doing backbreaking work that american citizens just wont do. and when the pay is high enough for them to do it, no one will afford to buy.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
Melissa—i did not mean to imply it was all sunshine at all. far from it. i do believe that the US economy benefits enormously from immigrant labor. you said “we would need a non biased study.” i agree completely with you. you seem to seek an objective understanding instead of political grandstanding. i hope universities and non-governmental organizations study this issue and determine what effects our economy would have without these workers. for a sociology student there are PhDs to be had on this issue alone.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
from a purely subjective, anecdotal perspective, i live in the southwest. on any morning i can see pick up points, where immigrants gather at about 5:30 in the morning. there are usually between 30 and 50 men waiting. by 10 a.m. they have all been picked up. the do odd jobs for people (white US citizens), usually digging trenches for piping (to have a US plumber bring in a tractor would cost $3000-$5,500). these men dig these trenches. late at the end of the day they are dropped off and walk home. they also do landscaping work, work in construction and are skilled in all kinds of trades. they make nowhere near the minimum wage, receive no benefits and if they are injured during their work it is their problem alone.
the face of these immigrants is one of hard work, hours of labor in the southwest summer sun. cities like Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles and i’m sure much further north are dependent on these workers dispite political grandstanding. in Farmers Branch Texas an ordinance passed which required apartment renters to prove the residency status of all applicants. Farmers Branch has many undocumented workers. the mayor who fought so strongly and obviously hatefully against the immigrants lives in a home built by illegal immigrants. the stupidity and xenophobia is astounding.
my brother-in-law thinks all immigrants should be deported and allowed to never return. he is your typical racist who wants america white and for white citizens to have all privileges. imagine how hard i laughed when he built his family’s home and used day-laborers for almost all of the work.
americans are definitely two-faced when it comes to immigration.
Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
MY SUGGESTION FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM. . .
IMPLEMENT OUR CURRENT FEDERAL LAWS ON THE SUBJECT – ALL THE TIME – THAT’S WHAT THEY ARE THERE FOR -
DEPORTATION. . . NO EXCUSES !!!
Posted by: KELLI2L | April 11, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Paul Wall said “americans are definitely two-faced when it comes to immigration. ” Most Americans have no probably with people who come here legally. It’s the people who are here illegally with whom they have a problem. If they are here illegally, then they aren’t immigrants, they are criminals. They should be deported and they should not be permitted to return, since they are criminals. That leaves more space for immigrants who follow the law. They are more than welcome to come here.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | April 11, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Here is one for you guy’s My daughter in law is from Germany. She came here on a legal visa. She is a licensed home provider for handi capped childern. Also workes at a home for the handi capped. She married my son who works in concrete every day. They had a baby girl 2 yrs ago. In the mean time her visa ran out and my son did not fill out some form that he suspose to. Neither of them knew he had file it for her. Now they are going to deport her. She will not be able to come back for at least 10yrs. So now we are going to lose her and 2 American citizens my son and grand daughter. What do you think about this problem?
Posted by: jene | April 11, 2009, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
GUYS AS WE ALL KNOW THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION IS HAVING HARD TIME AND THEY WILL BE NO PONSSION TO BE PAID IN 30 OR 40 YEARS WHAT DO YOU THINK IF I TELL YOU THAT THE NEW IMMIGRANT WILL BRING A NEW BLOOD TO THE SS ADMI SPECIALY WE TALKING MINIMUM 12 MILLIONS PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE FOR WORK AND WILL WORK AND PAY THE SS AND TAXES !!!!!!!!!!!
DON’T BE HYPOCRIT , DO THE MATH AND TELL ME WHAT DO YOU THINK ????????
Posted by: joe | April 11, 2009, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
jene – That’s sad, but they should have filed the paperwork. It’s infuriating that they are doing that to your daughter-in-law, but illegals are permitted to stay here & get everything for free. And in a lot of cases, service industries are not allowed to report these criminals.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | April 12, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Amnesty has been tried. It only resulted in more illegal aliens crossing the border. We need to station military troops along our border like every other nation on Earth. All illegal aliens should be deported and we need to change ‘anchor baby’ laws. United States sovereignty should be restored.
Posted by: Oonogil | April 13, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am
80% if immigrant dont get rebate check every year or paid time off or even any type of benefits these people work sun rise to sun down they desever i better immigration reform,after all america belonged to the indian not the american
Posted by: monica | April 15, 2009, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
i think most of us , are just too blind to see what’s goin on.
there’s millions of people out there that are getting mistreated, that are been taken advantage of only because they don’t have the requirements that an ” american ” has.there’s people who came over here to work. to help their families back home.and also there’s the type of people that are been here for more that 7 years and they still in the same position as they were when they first got to the u.s.
Posted by: Luis | May 7, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am
he better do something about the immigration reforms or else all those hispanic votes he got will be gone !!!!!
Posted by: Mellisa Cuertito | May 8, 2009, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
What happens to immigrant children? Are they too consider delinquents’ for coming in to the US illegally? A child has very few choices when they are TWO months old…what happens when this child grows up and is pursuing a PHD in nutritional Science and has to keep it in hold because he/she can’t afford tuition. What does the President say about this? WHAT ABOUT THE IMMIGRANT CHILDREN?
We need this reform for the students!!!!
Posted by: :::::::: | May 18, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
I am in this country for 20 years, I came here legally and overstayed my time the judge told me i had to go home voluntary i did not go and now my son who is a us citizen sponsored me for a green card and they turned me down because I did not leave the country I do not know what to do they have me on removal I have a 17 year old daughter who is going to graduate next year I would like to remain in the country until she graduate how do I get a relief
Posted by: Sylvia | June 2, 2009, 9:18 am 9:18 am
The people that came to this country in the late 1800′s and early 1900′s were hard working people that became Americans first and there own nationalities . They learned how to speak English and made this a great nation . Now we let the illegals in and support them threw taxes from my and others , hard work . If they want to come here , it is as an American learn the language and 0bey the laws and stay off the welfare list
Posted by: albert Nigg | May 6, 2010, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm