President Obama to Lift Restrictions on Cuba
ABC News’ Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller report:
At today’s daily White House briefing, White House Spokesman Robert Gibbs will announce that the administration will lift travel, remittance, mail and business restrictions relating to the Communist nation of Cuba.
The changes will allow unlimited visits to family members on the island as well as unlimited remittances — the cash recent immigrants to the U.S. send to relatives back home. President Bush imposed stricter restrictions on both in 2004.
"As hard as we search, we can’t find anyone who thinks the limitations Bush put on family travel and family remittances in 2004 were a good idea," a senior administration official tells ABC News.
The Obama administration will also take steps to enhance the flow of information by allowing U.S. telecommunications networks to link the U.S. and Cuba; and will allow an expansion of humanitarian items that can be sent to the island (including clothing, personal hygiene items and fishing equipment). It will remain illegal to send items to senior government officials and members of the Communist Party.
"These steps are being taken in support of the Cuban people’s desire to freely determine their own future and to open up the space needed to see democratic progress in Cuba," says a White House official.
The announcement is timed to the president’s trip on Thursday and Friday to Mexico City and then Saturday and Sunday to Trinidad and Tobago for the Summit of the Americas.
Central and South American leaders ranging from Mexican President Felipe Calderon to Venezuela’s Hugo Chavez will likely pressure President Obama to also lift the embargo, imposed by President John F. Kennedy six months after President Obama was born.
The Obama administration says there is both a moral and strategic argument in favor of lifting the restrictions. Morally, families will able to visit and help one another, the senior administration official says. Strategically, the official says, "family members in the U.S. will be good messengers of change and hope."
During the campaign, the president signaled that these would be moves he would make, while maintaining the embargo.
“I have said that I will immediately allow unlimited family travel and remittances to the island," then-Sen. Obama said in Miami Florida on May 23, 2008. "It’s time to let Cuban Americans see their mothers and fathers, their sisters and brothers. It’s time to let Cuban American money make their families less depended upon the Castro regime. That is the committeemen that I’m making right here. I will maintaining the embargo. It provides us with the leverage to present the regime with a clear choice, if you take significant steps toward democracy, beginning with the freeing of all political prisoners, we will take steps to begin normalizing relations.”
– Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller
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Finally! Common sense towardss Cuba!
Posted by: linda n carolina | April 13, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
GREAT news! Well done Prez.
Posted by: badfish2829 | April 13, 2009, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
linda: finally a common sense president
Posted by: Desperado | April 13, 2009, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm
This is lovely news. Well done Obama! Now if you can lift the embargo altogether, that would be great. Cuba hasn’t been a threat to us for years.
Posted by: Kevin | April 13, 2009, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Another small step towards stripping away the partisan hackery that was put into policy during the Bush administration. The only point of these 2004 restrictions was a pander to some slice of one of Karl Rove’s pie charts, not meaningful policy.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
They really aren’t a threat to begin with Kevin lol. I could go for some cuban cigars. If we lift the embargo, we could slowly improve our economy with improved trade.
Posted by: badfish2829 | April 13, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm
Now where’ve we heard that before? Hmmmmm…?
I would extend that sentiment to the notion that we should allow Americans to keep more of their own money, to make their families “less depended(sic)” on the U.S. government.
Posted by: Leo Pusateri | April 13, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
What if anything did we get in return?
Isn’t anything even humanitarian aid requisite on a quid pro quo with an avowed enemy. Cuba may be weak and its leaders old and feeble but its “friends” with money are now multiplying again
Looking at the sunny side, maybe I SHOULD go in to the nearest GM car lot , I can get any deal I ask for if Barack’s the boss.
Posted by: robert b | April 13, 2009, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
so…. I take it that I, a non relatvie to any cuban still can’t just go there as a tourist, you have to have family there?
Posted by: Carl | April 13, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
robert b:”What if anything did we get in return?
Isn’t anything even humanitarian aid requisite on a quid pro quo with an avowed enemy.”
American citizens regained a freedom to associate that was taken away in 2004 for no reason other than garnering a few extra votes in swing state Florida. Personally, I fall on the side of having to justify TAKING AWAY THE FREEDOM OF CITIZENS, rather than your view that the government can arbitrarily restrict its citizens without cause. The administration could not find justification and did away with the undue government restrictions.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Robert B….there’s always one of your ilk trying to tear down anything good. What has this country’s policies of the past 50 years done for us or Cuba? Be glad all these families can be reunited again.
Posted by: linda n carolina | April 13, 2009, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
I think that’s awesome! Its about time!
Posted by: Maggie Rivera | April 13, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
yay! i could care less about the embargo, im absolutely thrilled about the unlimited travel :D
Posted by: nessa | April 13, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Good for President Obama! Good for the United States! Man, this President is the best thing that’s happened to this country in a long, long time! I’m glad I voted for him! Keep up the good work!
Posted by: leftyintexas | April 13, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
Finally….rebuilding the bridges that separates families forever. Now, I want to know when can I go to Cuba. I want to go.
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 13, 2009, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Now–let that “proverbial” wall come down! Awesome, Mr. President!
Posted by: cynthia | April 13, 2009, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Modest step, but the start of something big. Next.
Posted by: sngeorgia | April 13, 2009, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
If Obama continues with or without Congress’s help and ends the embargo WITHOUT serious concessions from the Castro Regime, the dictators who have impoverished and oppressed their people for 50 years, THEN Obama and America have lost the moral high ground and common sense negotiating position ANYWHERE in this world, so that real and potential oppressors will take heart and redouble their efforts to maintain tyranny on their people!!
Posted by: robert b | April 13, 2009, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm
I just returned from visiting family in Cuba that I had never met. It makes me very happy to hear that I will be able to visit them more often now and am able to help them more often. It is a sad thing what Bush did to begin with. Our family is incredibley dependent on what little bit we can send them and now that we can do so more often, it is fantastic. Thank you Mr. President.
Posted by: Denise | April 13, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
The Castro’s are old and Cuba isn’t exactly a major power. Let’s give them a chance and see what happens.
Posted by: Keith | April 13, 2009, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm
Dang, I hope they lift all travel restriction soon. I’ve always wanted to visit Cuba, but don’t have family there.
Posted by: Trent | April 13, 2009, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Does Cuba have a voice in this? Will Cuba allow people to come in and out of Cuba? Will any money transferred to Cuba really get to who is supposed to get it? If people that escaped Cuba go back to visit, will they let them back into the US? Yes, this is a good thing for people with friends and family in Cuba, and should have been done long ago (before Bush too), but you got to figure it takes two to tango. Is the Cuban government OK with this? And all you Bush Bashers, Bush tightened the restrictions, not impossed them. They have been on Cuba for a long, long time.
Again, I didn’t like Bush either, but I’m getting tired of him getting blamed for everything.
Posted by: Willy | April 13, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Let’s give WHO a chance, Keith? Do you see a Gorbachev in Havana??? I see a Chavez gathering dictatorial power as we speak and if petrodollars don’t fund their mischief, narcodollars will come along nicely in Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador.
Posted by: robert b | April 13, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Obama got his first 3AM phone call and it took him three days to answer it–probably with someone telling him what to say.
While Obama was trying to resolve the crisis with his American/Islamic popularity in tact–a man’s life was at stake.
Obama is dangerously naive.
Cheney was right.
Posted by: ross | April 13, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Yeah, I can’t wait til the next Communist Internationale conference is meeting in Havana — and Trent and SNGeorgia and Mike Moore and I can go. Cool!!
Posted by: robert b | April 13, 2009, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
I’ve waited ten years for this to happen. I have always wanted to go to Cuba, which has the best musicians in the world! Thank you Obama! Don’t forget about us plain old Americans who want to go to Cuba as well!!!!!!
Posted by: Patricia | April 13, 2009, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
kevin…Can’t tell if your a comic or just uneducated in world events…”Russian could use bases for it’s strategic bombers on the doorstep of the United States in Cuba and Venezuela.” “This is Possible in Cuba.” General Anatolyu Zhikharev, chief of the Russian air force Strategic Aviation staff…March 14, 2009 AP…Think ..lifting the restrictions for family members to send MONEY, AMERICAN DOLLARS..NOT GOOD, BUT TO LIFT AN EMBARGO THAT WOULD SEND GOODS AND SERVICES TO A COUNTRY WHO SUPPORTING RUSSIAN BOMBERS…..INSANE…There is a reason WHY Cuba has not been a threat to us for years…IT’S CALLED AN EMBARGO..
Posted by: Parallax View | April 13, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Wow this president is becoming more of a disgrace by the moment. What a disaster this guy is! This is what happens when the media elects a totally, 100% unqualified stuttering squawkbox.
Posted by: dva | April 13, 2009, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
What an Idiot!!! The Us is rapidly coming to a close. A little over 200 years…not bad for country to reach highs and then plummet to the bottom. All in all, Obama’s collapsing the country faster than we thought.
Posted by: Bobby G | April 13, 2009, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Classic Democrat party pandering in an attempt to gain a stronger foothold with the key state of Florida in future elections. Thanks for putting country first.
Posted by: Mike | April 13, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Amen, DVA
Posted by: Bobby G | April 13, 2009, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Great news! Its about time.
Posted by: CAW | April 13, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Why is it good now? President Kennedy thought it was something that should have been done. I guess under our new socialist President it is time to support a Communist dictator. I think it is nice that the Cuban Americans can visit their families in Cuba but will Cuba let their people come visit their relatives in the US. I don’t think so, dictators don’t care about their people. But, we should support them anyway.
Posted by: dsimms | April 13, 2009, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Finally, the finish & last of the cold war paranoia.
Thank you President Obama for
progressive action.
Posted by: gus amaral | April 13, 2009, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Oh how sweet. Now we can be one big happy family again. Let’s all hug. Then let’s impeach Obama.
Posted by: Lee | April 13, 2009, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
If we truly believe in the free market, as opposed to communism, shouldn’t we go head to head with Cuban communism without any restictions? Why do we have to cripple the Cuban economy with an embargo if we believe the free market would prevail?
Posted by: OldBob | April 13, 2009, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
This is great news! I can’t wait to visit!
Posted by: najnicola1 | April 13, 2009, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
“If we truly believe in the free market, as opposed to communism, shouldn’t we go head to head with Cuban communism without any restictions? Why do we have to cripple the Cuban economy with an embargo if we believe the free market would prevail?”
Because that would make too much sense. We have to vilify our political adversaries and maintain a healthy level of fear.
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
dsimms:”Why is it good now? President Kennedy thought it was something that should have been done. I guess under our new socialist President it is time to support a Communist dictator. ”
These restrictions on private American citizens were put in place in 2004, NOT by President Kennedy. By your rationale, Nixon, Reagon, and both Bushes were also socialist Presidents who wanted to support a Communist dictator in the exact same way.
(There is also the little issue of no more communist threat/USSR, and the retreat of Fidel Castro from the reigns of power, but your argument is so transparently false on its face I don’t feel motivated to spend any more time on it.)
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Is bHo putting a special TAX on the travel & mail to boost another project??
Posted by: Denisea213 | April 13, 2009, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Skip:”Why do we have to cripple the Cuban economy with an embargo if we believe the free market would prevail?”
There is a place for showing the will to hold grudges. I think the time for the embargo may have passed, but the rise of the current regime and its early provocations offered ample rationale for a response. Getting rid of Bush’s silly 2004 window dressing is a no brainer. Getting rid of all the embargo restrictions is a much more weighty issue, which has to wait its turn to receive the attention it’s due.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
I am a cuban-american, and I am outraged, I thought the United States of America did not negotiate with Terrorist, what are Fidel and Raul Castro? Is very easy to give opinions when you have not had family members killed because the only they wanted was Freedon of Speech. Way to go Mr. President.
Posted by: Mary Diaz | April 13, 2009, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
How will the administration deal with the Cuba’s confiscation of private property 50 years ago? Former Cubans who are now U.S. citizens had their homes, land and possessions confiscated with no compensation. Internationally, property has been returned to rightful owners post Communist confiscation. Eminent domain in the U.S. must involve monetary compensation. Will the Justice Department fight for the right of return or compensation for those whose property was taken by the Cuban government?
Posted by: bct | April 13, 2009, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
—”Classic Democrat party pandering in an attempt to gain a stronger foothold with the key state of Florida in future elections. Thanks for putting country first.”—
Sorry Mike, but you’re a little uninformed. Cuban-Americans in Florida are staunchly opposed to lifting restrictions on Cuba, which is why up until now they have been reliable Republican voters.
If Obama wanted to secure Florida for reelection, he would have kept the Bush restrictions in place. In fact, he would probably have never made it known during the campaign that he was willing to engage Cuba diplomatically at all.
This isn’t about winning Florida in 2012, it’s the right thing to do. Fortunately we have a president who knows the difference.
Posted by: Chris | April 13, 2009, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Explain your “weighty” issues, jhwetc, please that would advise against hasty end to the embargo.
I know what they are and Mary and Parallax and I have been listing them but why don’t you describe them to your impatient lefty friends.
Posted by: robert b | April 13, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
GREAT NEWS!!! I wonder what kind of travel bargains we’ll be able to get next year. And the Cubans will finally be able to trade in all those 1950′s cars for some new American made cars, even if all the repub’s here are buying foreign cars…
Posted by: pt | April 13, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Who’s dangerously Naive? Yet the republican Presidents since Nixon had trade and business relations and friendly relations and backed friendships with the Peoples Republic of Communit Red China. Why is one considered good and the other bad? Shouldn’t Nixon’s, Ford’s, Regan’s, Bush Sr’s, and Bush Jr’s supporting Communist Red China be also considered wrong? Or do you consider it right since they were Republican Presidents who backed Communist Red China?
Posted by: mere | April 13, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Mary Diaz….What would you like to see happen? Continue on they way we have the last 50 years? You apparently know more than all of us as to the conditions the Cuban people live in today.Give us your solutions.
Posted by: linda n carolina | April 13, 2009, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Our Cuba policy is idiotic and driven by a bunch of whack jobs in Florida. It. hasn’t. worked.
This policy is a failure, so why perpetuate failure? Why not try openness and increased communications as more effective ways to dissolve the regimes grip.
Our national policy debate is so dumb…
Posted by: Andy Olsen | April 13, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
How will the administration deal with the Cuba’s confiscation of private property 50 years ago? Former Cubans who are now U.S. citizens had their homes, land and possessions confiscated with no compensation. Internationally, property has been returned to rightful owners post Communist confiscation. Eminent domain in the U.S. must involve monetary compensation. Will the Justice Department fight for the right of return or compensation for those whose property was taken by the Cuban government?
They don’t get their land back. Aristocracy propped up by a military dictatorship is no better than communism. How about Cuba’s sugar barons (and their descendants) just get jobs?
Posted by: ACS | April 13, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
bct:”How will the administration deal with the Cuba’s confiscation of private property 50 years ago?”
Mary Diaz:”I am a cuban-american, and I am outraged, I thought the United States of America did not negotiate with Terrorist”
Were you both equally outraged by Nixon ending all attempts to overthrow Castro? Or Reagan holding the same policy as Obama has now reverted to? Bush’s policy was a meaningless pander to a small segment of Florida’s voters that Rove felt was necessary to buy enough votes in 2004 to avoid another 2000 tie vote. It was embarrassingly worthless as a tool of international pressure, which is why Bush was the first President to apply it in 2004.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
Obama is a left-winger and accordingly he is going to help the leftiest all over the world
Posted by: silver | April 13, 2009, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
I was part of the last university sponsored trips to Cuba to leave from Miami before Bush’s restrictions went into place. If you go to Cuba, you’ll see it’s just another Latin American country with poor and well-to-do people. See it for yourself and make your own judgement, but don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. Ignorance is not always bliss. Aside from the beautiful places, you’ll see that people adjust to their accommodations and try to live with what they can. Hopefully this silly “blockade” will be lifted once and for all.
Posted by: Enrik Van Depaalm | April 13, 2009, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
common sense? Not sure about that, but I am looking forward to go to Cuba one day with ‘direct flight’. Castros are old and it seems to be a good time to start laying down good connections with the island in preparation for the overly prideful dictators departure from this earth. spending time with Cubans eating and listening to Flamenco guitar and scuba diving their fabulous reef system sounds great to me, but at the right time. Restrictions still have to be in place for Cuban gov’t!
Posted by: russtex | April 13, 2009, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Robert b:”I know what they are and Mary and Parallax and I have been listing them but why don’t you describe them to your impatient lefty friends.”
Impatient lefty friends? Who are they? They’re surely not in Congress, where other than a handful of house reps for whom this is a pet project, dissolving the embargo is clearly not on the agenda. Even among my furthest left friends, the war, economy, healthcare – even gay marriage – is higher on the agenda than the Cuba embargo (which is in the same form now as it has been most of my life).
This action is just reverting to the status quo as it has been for quite a while before Bush’s 2004 pander.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
I’m not completely against this. 1) The government has print & pump money and closed tax havens. 2) Now they’ll just stash all the spare cash in Cuba to keep inflation down. Allowing them more control over both the US & Cuba. HELLO SHORT-TERM FREEDOM, BYE BYE LONG-TERM FREEDOM!!!
Posted by: Hmm | April 13, 2009, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
How nice!!! Thanks god for giving us a reasonable and understanding President. Bless him!
Posted by: Rita | April 13, 2009, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Yes, finally a president with common sense. I’m so glad he’s our president…I’m tired of all the old politics and also of the few people who blame him for everything…they are just sore losers. As you can see the economy is horrible and this did not happen overnight…it took many years to happen. He is doing things he said he would do and he is calm and reasonable and he was a huge success overseas…
Posted by: Barb | April 13, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Even Obama can do something right for once! This is maybe the second time I think he’s done right. Obviously, we don’t want to reward the Castro regime, but what we’ve done for nearly 50 years just isn’t serving any real purpose. It’s time for something new. Allowing people to visit family, support family, and to open up – even a little – the free flow of information (something we Americans take for granted) can’t hurt at all. It’s something that can be done w/out rewarding the Castro regime. Cuban Americans should use this opening as a way to convince their families/friends on the island to reject the Castro regime and start a true democracy. As for removing the trade embargo, I think the Prez is wise to keep it as a bargaining chip to use w/ the Castro regime. I would love to see a truly free Cuba in the next 10 years. I think it would flourish once U.S. corporations and tourists flooded the island. We just need to get rid of the filth that is the Castros!
Posted by: Obama, the second coming | April 13, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
This idiot, president kennedy, who said, “ask not, what YOUR country can do for you, but what YOU can do for you country” was a JOKE, him and his illegal embargo cost us BILLIONS…Cuba should be open to everyone, there should be NO restrictions..Our borders need not be defended but open to all people…Our government owes it to us to be free from restrictions…eat that you right wing neocons and so called m oderate democrats.. The government OWES me, I pay taxes to live here with NO restrictions… to go anywhere i please.. TO HELL WITH REPUBLICIANS AND DEMOCRATS. Obama, Bush, Kennedy they are ALL alike, secret wiretaps, spying, killing innocent childrens in foreign countries.
Posted by: The government OWES me | April 13, 2009, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Good political “dodge” jhw but I asked you to detail the weighty issues that keep us from going beyond the status quo ante.
The left is anxious for us to fall into the majority of the United Nations as indicated by the 179 to 4 annual votes to condemn us for the embargo. Why should we keep it from the internationalist and progressive point of view.?? (Though you have a point that the Castros aren’t “hip” to the gay marriage” thing and other new minority interest “communities” but Mike Moore “proved” their health care was SOOOOO much better than ours.
Posted by: robert b | April 13, 2009, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
attn ABC: you gotta LOT of typos here:
jpt quotes:
“It’s time to let Cuban American money make their families less [depended] upon the Castro regime. That is the [committeemen] that I’m making right here. I will [maintaining] the embargo. It provides us with the leverage to present the regime with a clear choice, if you take significant steps toward democracy, beginning with the freeing of all political prisoners, we will take steps to begin normalizing relations.”
Well … now, unrich Cubans who made the mistake of immigrating to the US will have somewhere to go to get medical care. Wonder how many zillion of them will repatriate …
For smiley-face fascist Obama — who’s bought and swindled his way to the top of the political heap — to lecture CUBA about “democracy” would be funny, if it weren’t so pathetic.
Posted by: Pants on Fire | April 13, 2009, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
“I think [Cuba] would flourish once U.S. corporations and tourists flooded the island.”
THAT was exactly the kind of “flourishing” that brought about the Revolution in the first place … now, of course, people in the US no longer have to go offshore for gambling and prostitution.
Cuba is waaay better off NOT to be in bed with the US.
Posted by: Pants on Fire | April 13, 2009, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
This is such a humanitarian decision on Pres. Obama’s part and hopefully should not affect our position with Cuban government. It will mean so much to our country’s Cuban immigrants to be able to visit and help their loved ones that are living in economic distress.
Posted by: Ruby | April 13, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
Don’t kid yourself on Cuban health care in spite of that idiot Michael Moore’s lies. Here are the real facts about the system, if you can stand it.
From a cuban escapee:
Ask any Cuban who has recently left the island (because they can’t talk freely about this inside of Cuba) about their health care system and they will tell you that it is often a challenge just to get aspirin and they often have to get it on the black market. The run-down, dilapidated and unsanitary conditions in the facilities that the average Cuban must go to for care are a far cry from the hospitals and clinics reserved for high-ranking members of the communist party or the military. There are actually special facilities in Cuba that serve foreigners who can pay in foreign currency.
If the lauded Cuban healthcare system is so wonderful, perhaps someone can explain to me the following:
* Why some patients are taken to the hospital in wheelbarrows instead of ambulances?
* Why patients must bring their own linens for the hospital bed and often, a fan, to combat the stifling heat and lack of air-conditioning?
* Why cockroaches and other vermin are present in what is supposed to be “sanitary” health facilities? Why many common medicines are not available? If Cuba can export cutting-edge biotechnological products to other countries, surely the US embargo cannot be blamed for not allowing medicine to enter Cuba.
* Why, in a 185-bed cancer center in Santiago where some 6,000 people are treated MONTHLY, there is a shortage of basics such as codeine, anti-nausea drugs, anti-inflammatory drugs, antibiotics, antacids, laxatives, high blood pressure medicine, antihistamines, anti-depressants, contraceptives, vitamins and minerals? This particular hospital, sadly, is the norm, not the exception
* Why 41% of patients in Cuban hospitals are undernourished, particularly after surgery. Malnutrition risks increase with extended stays in the hospital, according to the U.S. National Institute of Health.
Was any of this mentioned in “Sicko?” Of course not! The reason why is one to which I alluded earlier– Michael Moore is so anti-American, despite the fact that he makes millions off of the American people every time he makes a film, that he will do anything he can to exaggerate and distort the truth to make the Bush Administration look incompetent, evil and silly.
Well, Michael, I hate to tell you but the American people are on to you.
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
The right decision on a wrong headed policy.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
I am so thrilled! My mother and the majority of her family left Cuba over 40 years ago. Left behind was a sister who was taking care of elderly in-laws at the time. She is now still in Cuba with her husband who suffers from heart disease. Every 3 months my mother sends her $300, which is all she is allowed to send. With that money my aunt manages to survive, since other brothers and sisters have died and only siblings and sons/daughters are allowed to send money. I don’t care what anyone says. My mother has worked hard in this country and paid her taxes for many years. I think she has won the right to help her family in need. So forget the politics, and let families help each other. That is what really matters.
Posted by: Sue | April 13, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
To your answer I would love to visit my country that I left when I was only 5 years old, but I would love to see Freedon of Speechm, Freedon of the Press, I would to see each and every cuban make more than $20.00 a week, I would love to see been able to go to the hotels in Habana which they cannot visit because they are not tourist, they cannot even use their own beeches, and you ask me why not. If the Castro’s brothers are willing to give all these freedoms to my country I will be the first one in the next flight to Habana.
Posted by: Mary Diaz | April 13, 2009, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
More commentary on Cuban human rights abuses in medical care.
Criticism of Moore from an unexpected corner: MTV! Yes, MTV’s Kurt Loder:
Fidel Castro’s island dictatorship, now in its 40th year of being listed as a human-rights violator by Amnesty International, is here depicted as a balmy paradise not unlike the Iraq of Saddam Hussein that Moore showed us in his earlier film, “Fahrenheit 9/11.” He and his charges make their way — their pre-arranged way, if it need be said — to a state-of-the-art hospital where they receive a picturesquely warm welcome. In a voiceover, Moore, shown beaming at his little band of visitors, says he told the Cuban doctors to “give them the same care they’d give Cuban citizens.” Then he adds, dramatically: “And they did.”
If Moore really believes this, he may be a greater fool than even his most feverish detractors claim him to be. Nevertheless, medical care is provided to the visiting Americans, and it is indeed excellent. Cuba is in fact the site of some world-class medical facilities (surprising in a country that, as Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar noted in the Los Angeles Times last month, “imprisoned a doctor in the late 1990s for speaking out against government failure to respond to an epidemic of a mosquito-borne virus”). What Moore doesn’t mention is the flourishing Cuban industry of “health tourism” — a system in which foreigners (including self-admitted multimillionaire film directors and, of course, government bigwigs) who are willing to pay cash for anything from brain-surgery to dental work can purchase a level of treatment that’s unavailable to the majority of Cubans with no hard currency at their disposal. The Cuban American National Foundation (admittedly a group with no love for the Castro regime) calls this “medical apartheid.” And in a 2004 article in Canada’s National Post, writer Isabel Vincent quoted a dissident Cuban neurosurgeon, Doctor Hilda Molina, as saying, “Cubans should be treated the same as foreigners. Cubans have less rights in their own country than foreigners who visit here.”
As the Caribbean sun sank down on Moore’s breathtakingly meretricious movie, I couldn’t help recalling that when Fidel Castro became gravely ill last year, he didn’t put himself in the hands of a Cuban surgeon. No. Instead, he had a specialist flown in — from Spain.
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Obama is such a hero.
According to his supporters/MSM he passed his first national security crisis–4 teenage thugs in a raft.
Obama basically sat back eating his pizza (for 5 days)waiting for someone with experience to tell him what to do.
If it was up to Obama they probably would still be negotiating.
Posted by: sammy | April 13, 2009, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
“If you take significant steps toward democracy, beginning with the freeing of all political prisoners, we will take steps to begin normalizing relations”.
DO WE PLACE THESE SAME REQUIREMENTS ON CHINA? WHY NOT? THE CHINESE GOV’T ARE TEN TIMES WORSE THAN THE CUBAN GOV’T.
Posted by: Rick | April 13, 2009, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
This is such a humanitarian decision on Pres. Obama’s part and hopefully should not affect our position with Cuban government. It will mean so much to our country’s Cuban immigrants to be able to visit and help their loved ones that are living in economic distress.
Posted by: Ruby | Apr 13, 2009 2:15:22 PM
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While I am sympathetic to the families the end result of this policy will be to put American dollars squarely in the pocket of the cuban communist regime, Castro and company.
These dollars will not filter down to the people (just like they did not filter down and N. Koreans starve).
Castro does not even allow Cuban citizens on their own beaches because it may inhibit euro tourist dollars.
This is just another payoff to another dictator with nothing in return.
Posted by: WEAREINSERIOUSTROUBLE | April 13, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
We’ve been to Cuba twice on vacation. There is an irony that folks from around the world vacation in Cuba…countries trade with Cuba, etc but, Americans claim that any conact will somehow damage some ‘fantasy lesson’ being taught to the commies.
hint: Communism in East Europe, China, etc. collapsed largely because of more contact with western ideas and not because of more restrictions. Want reform in Cuba?….swamp it with American tourists.
Posted by: Arnie | April 13, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
“I think [Cuba] would flourish once U.S. corporations and tourists flooded the island.”
THAT was exactly the kind of “flourishing” that brought about the Revolution in the first place … now, of course, people in the US no longer have to go offshore for gambling and prostitution.
Cuba is waaay better off NOT to be in bed with the US.
Posted by: Pants on Fire | Apr 13, 2009 2:12:54 PM
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I don’t mean the type of capitalism that was going on then. Under their old leadership, the general Cuban was not benefitting that much (hence, they allowed themselves to be fooled by Castro). What I mean is a free and open Cuba benefiting from real tourism, and American (and similar) products, and investments. Not saying everyone becomes prosperous overnight (not everyone is prosperous here, in the most prosperous country on earth), but its gotta be far greater than what they have now
Posted by: Obama, the second coming | April 13, 2009, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
we deal with china why not cuba
Posted by: jil | April 13, 2009, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
These dollars will not filter down to the people (just like they did not filter down and N. Koreans starve).
Castro does not even allow Cuban citizens on their own beaches because it may inhibit euro tourist dollars.
This is just another payoff to another dictator with nothing in return.
Posted by: WEAREINSERIOUSTROUBLE | Apr 13, 2009 2:27:15 PM
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SO right I fully anticipate this money will be used to further arm cuba. So let’s see, russian missiles and warships, help from Chavez, and we will now line Castro’s pocket. Anyone out there sensing a pattern in this moron Obama’s plans?
Posted by: Nobama | April 13, 2009, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
“They don’t get their land back. Aristocracy propped up by a military dictatorship is no better than communism. How about Cuba’s sugar barons (and their descendants) just get jobs?”
Respect for private property rights is essential to upholding basic human rights. No government should be able to walk in and take everything you have – your home, your food, your business – without compensation no matter who you are rich or no matter how poor. Without respect for private property there is no respect for human dignity and no basic human rights.
Posted by: bct | April 13, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
We’ve been to Cuba twice on vacation. There is an irony that folks from around the world vacation in Cuba…countries trade with Cuba, etc but, Americans claim that any conact will somehow damage some ‘fantasy lesson’ being taught to the commies.
hint: Communism in East Europe, China, etc. collapsed largely because of more contact with western ideas and not because of more restrictions. Want reform in Cuba?….swamp it with American tourists.
Posted by: Arnie | Apr 13, 2009 2:27:44 PM
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Gotta agree w/ you there. This right-winger (me) encountered many Canadian tourists when I vacationed in the Dom. Republic. All of them went on and on about how much they loved to vacation in Cuba. Took me totally by surprise. Good point about China. While they are no shining Democracy, their people are far better off since biz relations w/ us started. And long-term, that can only lead to more freedoms there, as the people demand it. Think Yao Ming doesn’t like freedom and capitalism??
Posted by: Obama, the second coming | April 13, 2009, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
“SO right I fully anticipate this money will be used to further arm cuba. So let’s see, russian missiles and warships, help from Chavez, and we will now line Castro’s pocket. Anyone out there sensing a pattern in this moron Obama’s plans?”
No, but I have a long time ago sensed a pattern in right-wingers plans to try and spread fear. There is no longer any need to be afraid of Cuba.
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
“SO right I fully anticipate this money will be used to further arm cuba. So let’s see, russian missiles and warships,”
Cuba’s navy consists of PT boats.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
we deal with china why not cuba
Posted by: jil | Apr 13, 2009 2:28:28 PM
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This is a frighteningly simplistic, empty thought. Neither is a good thing, but Cuba is near our border and they are not our friends. They allow russian warships and missiles, they are buddies with Chavez, and they are in an easy strike zone to hit and hurt us. You have heard of the “cuban missile crisis” you know, the one another dem screwed up.
We are now financing our own destruction by allowing american dollars in Castro’s pocket.
While China is a problem and you can thank Bill Clinton for tying us so closely to them, in spite of his initial campaign rhetoric that Bush Sr was too friendly with a human rights abusing country.
The fact is we have no choice, based on money and military, than to deal with China.
Let’s not forget that Clinton, after receiving a 750,000 dollar donation from Loral corporation owner, over-rode a state department and military ruling regarding missile technology sales. Clinton was paid to allow missile technology to be sold to China that advanced their program,( as was told to us in the media at the time), by 20 years.
The argument at the time was that they would have gotten there anyway. An empty argument that assumes we were stagnant in our progress and a move that forced us to ramp up military defense spending. But , hey, Clinton did get a big donation and he did win re-election, and isn’t that what counts. Isn’t that what counts for Obama as he works to harm our country and promote himself as well!
We have to deal with China as our borrowing from them, and Clinton’s assistance in advancing their military capabilities leaves us no choice.
In addition all
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
4 linda n carolina: …and the common sense from Cuba towards USA? Cuba is ruled by communists and we all know that communism are criminals from the first to the last and a dialogue with them it’s a waste of time.
Posted by: silver | April 13, 2009, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Untethered capitalism will kill democracy deader than socialism or even communism ever could because it will make us all so POOR that we’ll be fighting over scraps of food in the street and defending our homes from roving bands of armed robbers.
Alright, maybe that’s hyperbole. Or maybe not. That’s what’s happened in Mexico in the past five years.
But this IS true: In order for democracy to flourish, capitalism must be tethered with:
Regulation. If you let capitalism get away with murder it WILL start murdering everything in sight.
Separation of Bank and State. Once the capitalists and their bankers are in control of the Treasury and the Executive Office, they WILL do all they can to become richer and more powerful.
National Borders. A global world run by a very few rich men is NOT good for democracy. Our president should be prosecuting a foreign policy of Us VERSUS Them because that’s what will KEEP US SAFE and PROSPEROUS.
And excuse me for being so bold, but isn’t that what we elect the president to do? To keep US safe and to keep US prosperous? No offense to foreign countries — I think most of you are great and would love to visit. And I wish you all the best of luck with all your efforts to elect presidents who will work to keep YOU safe and prosperous. Heck, I want our governments to work together and help each other where and when they can because most forms of peace and prosperity really AREN’T zero-sum propositions. But I gotta say that the president of the United States is supposed to be doing everything he can to ensure that the American people (not the people of Earth) are the healthiest, richest, best educated, and most safe citizens in the world.
I have heard ENOUGH of New World Orders and Global Citizens. I want to hear a hell of a lot more about a New American Order and American Citizens.
For goodness’ sake — when did all the grownups become so stupid?
Posted by: poor us | April 13, 2009, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
“Want reform in Cuba?….swamp it with American tourists.”
Amen Arnie. Our 50 year old policy of isolationism vis a vis Cuba remains the driving force behind Castro’s ability to remain in power. Normalize relations with Cuba and their communist government will implode faster than you can order an Egg McMuffin.
Posted by: Chris in Texas | April 13, 2009, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
“we all know that communism are criminals from the first to the last and a dialogue with them it’s a waste of time”
Silver, can you say “people’s rebublic of China”? From who, pray tell, do we get all of the stuff that Wal-Mart sells to us? From who, pray tell, do we get the money to fund stupid wars against other countries and bailouts to failing US industries?
Posted by: Chris in Texas | April 13, 2009, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
I’m a Cuban American and most of you that have not idea of what the Castro Regime has done to our Country including Obama. All this Embargo talk is just an excuse that Castro has to submit this country into the misery they live in. Castro has relations with other Countries like Canada, Mexico, France, Italy etc to name a few. He could buy food, medicine clothes etc for the country…give the people freedom through those countries,no, you people have no idea how controlled the government has the Cuban people and that has nothing to do with the Embargo.. What Obama is doing is helping the Cuban Government all this monies going to Cuba a big percentage is going to the kept by the government and as far a visiting is just more money for Cuba to update their military and enrich the Castro’s more if not we will talk in five years and you will let me know how prosperous Cuba got.
Posted by: mcastro | April 13, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
NO wonder Obama keeps funneling money to ACORN. They are going to need to seriously step up their voter fraud efforts or risk losing florida in future elections.
Does anyone remember the ELIAN GONZALEZ travesty. Clinton rifles in the face of a young child,.
Of course he had already murdered many minority children in the WACO tragedy so I guess for him just guns in the face, well, no harm done.
I am sure Hill and big O are proud and in agreement of these efforts.
Posted by: WEAREINSERIOUSTROUBLE | April 13, 2009, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
“You have heard of the “cuban missile crisis” you know, the one another dem screwed up…”
Are you referring to President Kennedy? And how exactly did he ‘screw up’? -by not getting us all blown up?
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
“We have to deal with China as our borrowing from them, and Clinton’s assistance in advancing their military capabilities leaves us no choice.”
I guess we can blame Richard Nixon for opening up the whole can of worms through his “ping pong diplomacy” in the late ’60s eh silver? This is not a democratic/republican issue, no matter how hard you try to make it so.
Posted by: Chris in Texas | April 13, 2009, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
mcastro. I respect your opinion here because you claim to have lived in Cuba under the Castro regime. If true, then you alone can speak to the conditions with some degree of believability. That said, how long ago did you leave Cuba for the US? Just curious.
Posted by: Chris in Texas | April 13, 2009, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
we deal with china why not cuba
Posted by: jil | Apr 13, 2009 2:28:28 PM
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This is a frighteningly simplistic, empty thought…”
Posted by MNM
I have to agree with ‘jil’. -Why China?
Your response is a ridiculously complex, completely manufactured piece of propaganda.
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Are you referring to President Kennedy? And how exactly did he ‘screw up’? -by not getting us all blown up?
Posted by: Skip | Apr 13, 2009 2:47:54 PM
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He saved us by the skin of his teeth, but the problem of the crisis was precipitated by Kennedy’s disasterous Bay of Pigs invasion, where he nearly got everyone on our side killed, and paid ransom to retrieve those that survived. It was the single most important factor in Cuba’s deteriorating relationship with us, by us.
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
MNM:”They allow russian warships and missiles, they are buddies with Chavez, and they are in an easy strike zone to hit and hurt us.”
Another proud member of the party of fear I see. If Russia wants to nuke us, they don’t need Cuba as a stepping stone. If we want to nuke them in retaliation, our boomer subs are more than ample that we don’t need to see it coming.
We have nothing to fear from Cuba. Any assault from them would actually be the quickest way to eliminate the Castro regime.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Its about time we started moving on from this. I wasnt even alive well all that happened. God, Its like a breath of fresh air swept away all of the rotten sewer smell bush left behind.
Posted by: Brendan | April 13, 2009, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
“Cuba is ruled by communists and we all know that communism are criminals from the first to the last and a dialogue with them it’s a waste of time.”
Don’t look now, but without communists the US would never have had the (now merely theoretical) 8-hour day, prohibition of child labor, etc.
Posted by: Pants on Fire | April 13, 2009, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
The two times we in Cuba it was clear that most of the people did not like communism… the people have very little. BUT it was even clearer that Castro is extremely popular and Cubans will not give in to American bullys. Castro represents an independence that is less to do with communism that it is with Cuban self-esteem.
Castro is about to die. Open up better relations before his death and there will be no turning back. However,if not, on his death there ‘may’ be an anti-American fervour fueled, in part, by rejoicing in the USA. This isn’t just about Cuba but also Venezuela, Bolivia, Columbia, etc. The USA should position itself now not to be trapped by its own myopic rhetoric of ‘us vs them’.
Posted by: Arnie | April 13, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
“NO wonder Obama keeps funneling money to ACORN. They are going to need to seriously step up their voter fraud efforts or risk losing florida in future elections.”
I guess it will be our perpetual duty to point out that there has never been even one single proven case of anyone casting an illegal vote because of a phony registration by ACORN.
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
MNM:”He saved us by the skin of his teeth, but the problem of the crisis was precipitated by Kennedy’s disasterous Bay of Pigs invasion”
Ah yes, that ill advised invasion planned and prepared for under Republican President Eisenhower. An excellent demonstration of why it is so critical that when a Democrat comes in to clean up a Republican’s mess they need to act very quickly to ‘quit digging.’
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
Perhaps Barry will now lift sanctions against other American enemies.
Afterall, according to his pastor/spiritual advisor of 20 years- rev wright,countries that have been led by brutal dictators such as Iran, Venezuala, North Korea have all been misunderstood. It’s America that has been the evil country all along.
Yeah right
Posted by: Dave | April 13, 2009, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Skip
So you are defending the nutty organization ACORN (no pun intended) because they have never been PROVEN guilty of helping to throw an election?
So by using that logic, you would be okay with letting oj simpson date your sister or daughter?
ACORN is an insane, far-left organization that has PROVEN itself to be extremely dangerous to our free society.
They act like brownshirts rounding up anyone they can, often with bribes of cigarettes/booze, to get them to vote for their welfare promising canidates.
They have been caught ILLEGALLY registering people all over the country, in hundreds of elections, and they should be shut down immedietly.
Posted by: Dave | April 13, 2009, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Pants on Fire:”Under the mush-minded reign of the “Obama” organization, His operatives — supposed “Democrats” — now disparage “Republicans” in much the same way the right (and Obama’s new right) disparages “communists”.”
What? Who is “his” referring to? Are you saying Timothy McVeigh was a Communist? Why is Obama in quotes – is he actually a lizard man impostor now? I think you should stick to insult Mrs. Obama’s fashion sense like in the other thread.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Dave:
“They act like brownshirts rounding up anyone they can, often with bribes of cigarettes/booze, to get them to vote for their welfare promising canidates.”
That’s just what the brownshirts did – they gave Jews cigarettes to go be worked to death or be murdered by the millions in concentration camps! Woman and children too! Some were even tortured to death and used as human lab rats! JUST LIKE ACORN!!!
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
I could use a Cuban cigar.. when will we get them?
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | April 13, 2009, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
“So you are defending the nutty organization ACORN (no pun intended) because they have never been PROVEN guilty of helping to throw an election?”
Dave, ACORM can’t be too bad. After all, everyone capable of searching on “ACORN and JOHN MCCAIN” on the internet can watch the You-tube video of Senator McCain speaking at one of their events in which he called them “the best of what America has to offer”. So is McCain a ACORN loving, commie, pinko, terrorist, queer too?
Posted by: Chris in Texas | April 13, 2009, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Skip
So you are defending the nutty organization ACORN (no pun intended) because they have never been PROVEN guilty of helping to throw an election?
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
Smartest move made in years. Maybe that old missile site can be turned into an amusement park now. Lets hope they send some honest business men there not people trying to steal their country.
Posted by: rightbehind | April 13, 2009, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
This is all off topic.
Obama is surrendering to yet another human rights violator, anti-american country.
He will line the pockets of a country collaborating with Russian to bring in warships and missiles within strike distance of our coast, and along with Hugo Chavez who mirrors the virulent anti-american sentiment.
Now Obama will line the pockets of this cuban communist regime so they can arm well against the US.
Obama does not make a move unless he is certain it will be against our long term best interests, be it security or financial.
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
“ACORN is an insane, far-left organization that has PROVEN itself to be extremely dangerous to our free society.”
No, ACORN is a right-wing bogeyman that has proven itself to be dangerous to the GOP and high-society because they register lots of young people, minorities and lower income people to vote instead of putting up posters in poorer neighborhoods reminding people to vote on the wrong day and other dirty tricks.
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Smartest move made in years. Maybe that old missile site can be turned into an amusement park now. Lets hope they send some honest business men there not people trying to steal their country.
Posted by: rightbehind | Apr 13, 2009 3:20:29 PM
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YOU DO remember that it was Castro/Cuba who confiscated all privately owned business and land, including american interests, NOT the other way around?
It was violent and bears similarity to the Obama plan to take over all private business.
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
“They have been caught ILLEGALLY registering people all over the country, in hundreds of elections, and they should be shut down immedietly.”
More Republican party members have been convicted of voter fraud and voter intimidation than ACORN (which has never had an employee convicted of voter fraud but has had employees convicted of voter registration fraud).
I guess the Republican party should be shut down.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
jhw539
As long as you are defending the insane organization known as ACORN, I would love to know your take on all of the massive protests/sitins they held in chicago (with the help of an overly ambitious community organizer) to FORCE the banks there to make loans to low-lifes who could NEVER pay them back.
As I recall, one of the only cases Barry O ever tried was representing ACORN who was sueing one of those “mean” lenders who were against giving loans to dirtballs that could never repay them- shocking!
Posted by: Dave | April 13, 2009, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
MNM:”they have never been PROVEN guilty of helping to throw an election?
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
“YOU DO remember that it was Castro/Cuba who confiscated all privately owned business and land, including american interests, NOT the other way around?”
You do know that American Mafia, American Business and the Batista regime were in an alliance to control that “privately owned” business and land, don’t you?
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
No, ACORN is a right-wing bogeyman that has proven itself to be dangerous to the GOP and high-society because they register lots of young people, minorities and lower income people to vote
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The danger is that they register them, dead or alive, real or fake, over and over again, in many states. Having been convicted several times and under indictment in 27 additional incidents.
The danger is to democracy. It is truly against what dems used to stand for, but today they don’t stand for anything unless it is a handout and power.
Everyone and everything else be d*mned,
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
“These were all voter fraud cases…”
They were accused of stealing from ACORN, not voting illegally.
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
“I would love to know your take on all of the massive protests/sitins they held in chicago (with the help of an overly ambitious community organizer) to FORCE the banks there to make loans to low-lifes who could NEVER pay them back.”
ACORN protested banks that rejected minorities while serving whites with the same credit histories.
Its called discrimination and its something I would think all Americans would be abhorred by.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
You do know that American Mafia, American Business and the Batista regime were in an alliance to control that “privately owned” business and land, don’t you?
Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 13, 2009 3:27:29 PM
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I notice you mix American Business in between to bury the fact that Castro confiscated legitimate US interests in Cuba, unilaterally and without all that due process Obama wants to give to the terrorists.
Castro unilaterally confiscated legitimate US interests in Cuba.
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Did anyone proofread the transcription of the Obama quote at the end? It’s clear it’s based on an oral statement, not a press release. Terribly done!
Posted by: Joyomama | April 13, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
“YOU DO remember that it was Castro/Cuba who confiscated all privately owned business and land, including american interests, NOT the other way around?”
And of course this is balanced by your remembrance that the Cuban government under Bautista had been taken over by US organized crime and was being run for the benefit of US organized crime, as opposed to the Cuban people?
Hey, lots of PAST HISTORY here. We can neutralize this 3rd world country 90 miles from Miami by opening governmental and trade relations with them again. Why oppose them militarily when we can obliterate their communist government with American pop culture?
Posted by: Chris in Texas | April 13, 2009, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
MNM:”The danger is that they register them, dead or alive, real or fake, over and over again, in many states. ”
You were LYING about them being convicted of voter fraud (I highly recommend the factcheck site Cheney recommended in his first VP debate for a concise version), why do you think repeating lies is going to convince people? If I’m registered a dozen times and only vote once, how does that change ANYTHING?
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
“The danger is that they register them, dead or alive, real or fake, over and over again, in many states. Having been convicted several times and under indictment in 27 additional incidents.
The danger is to democracy.”
So voter registration fraud is a imminent danger to democracy?
Man the barricades because Mickey Mouse is coming to a voting booth near you!
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Its called discrimination and its something I would think all Americans would be abhorred by.
Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 13, 2009 3:29:26 PM
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It was called discrimination in an attempt to force banks to give the loans. Even though they, and now we, knew they could not be paid back.
This is exactly where the home mortgage crisis had it’s foundation.
Forcing bankers to make bad loans by threats, intimidation, and calling them racists,.
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Well said.
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I’m a Cuban American and most of you that have not idea of what the Castro Regime has done to our Country including Obama. All this Embargo talk is just an excuse that Castro has to submit this country into the misery they live in. Castro has relations with other Countries like Canada, Mexico, France, Italy etc to name a few. He could buy food, medicine clothes etc for the country…give the people freedom through those countries,no, you people have no idea how controlled the government has the Cuban people and that has nothing to do with the Embargo.. What Obama is doing is helping the Cuban Government all this monies going to Cuba a big percentage is going to the kept by the government and as far a visiting is just more money for Cuba to update their military and enrich the Castro’s more if not we will talk in five years and you will let me know how prosperous Cuba got.
Posted by: mcastro
Posted by: cubanita | April 13, 2009, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
I was not born when all the Cuba mess happened. I cannot see how sanctions have helped them become more democatic.
We can travel to China and other less democratic nation than Cuba. Whats the big deal with Cuba? Why cannot we not do business with Cuba? We do with lots of other so called non democratic nations.
It would be a great vaction destination and terrific business for both nations.
Lets go to Cuba!
Posted by: scott jeffries | April 13, 2009, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
So voter registration fraud is a imminent danger to democracy?
Man the barricades because Mickey Mouse is coming to a voting booth near you!
Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 13, 2009 3:31:50 PM
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Absolutely.
It is being organized in an unprecedented massive scale, funded with billions of US taxpayer dollars, directed at “community groups” for which ACORN is eligible. And now they will have ACORN participate in the census count offering unlimited opportunity to steal votes, and slant districts and representative distribution for the democrats,
This is all off topic.
Obama is surrendering to yet another human rights violator, anti-american country.
He will line the pockets of a country collaborating with Russian to bring in warships and missiles within strike distance of our coast, and along with Hugo Chavez who mirrors the virulent anti-american sentiment.
Now Obama will line the pockets of this cuban communist regime so they can arm well against the US.
Obama does not make a move unless he is certain it will be against our long term best interests, be it security or financial.
Posted by: MNM | April 13, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
“I love those broad-sweeping and 100% COMPLETELY false, statements you liberals love to make such as “republicans have been involved in more fraud then democrats”.
No I said ACORN, not Democrats.
Not a single ACORN employee has ever been charged with voter fraud.
Some ACORN employees have been charged with voter registration fraud.
But since you asked.
The owner of a firm that the California Republican Party hired to register tens of thousands of voters this year was arrested in Ontario over the weekend on suspicion of voter registration fraud.
State and local investigators allege that Mark Jacoby fraudulently registered himself to vote at a childhood California address where he no longer lives so he would appear to meet the legal requirement that all signature gatherers be eligible to vote in California. His firm, Young Political Majors, or YPM, collects petition signatures and registers voters in California and other states.
Jacoby’s arrest by state investigators and the Ontario Police Department late Saturday came after dozens of voters said they were duped into registering as Republicans by people employed by YPM. The voters said YPM workers tricked them by saying they were signing a petition to toughen penalties against child molesters.
The firm was paid $7 to $12 for every Californian it registered as a member of the GOP.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
“It was called discrimination in an attempt to force banks to give the loans. Even though they, and now we, knew they could not be paid back.”
I don’t get the argument. I can “demonstrate” in favor or in opposition to any policy of any organization in the US. By doing so, I hope to have an influence over the object of the “demonstration”. However, no one, not even the dreaded ACORN, the alleged masters of the New World Order with their fleet of black helicopters, can FORCE anyone to make a bad loan. It didn’t take ACORN to force US banks to make stupid loans. Greed did that for them.
Posted by: Chris in Texas | April 13, 2009, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
“It was called discrimination in an attempt to force banks to give the loans. Even though they, and now we, knew they could not be paid back.”
Those mortgages were structured so that lower income folks COULD afford to pay them back. The crisis came when those same standards were applied to anybody.
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
“Pants on Fire:”Under the mush-minded reign of the “Obama” organization, His operatives — supposed “Democrats” — now disparage “Republicans” in much the same way the right (and Obama’s new right) disparages “communists”.”
What? Who is “his” referring to? Are you saying Timothy McVeigh was a Communist? Why is Obama in quotes – is he actually a lizard man impostor now? I think you should stick to insult Mrs. Obama’s fashion sense like in the other thread.”
Posted by: Pants on Fire | April 13, 2009, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
“It was called discrimination in an attempt to force banks to give the loans. Even though they, and now we, knew they could not be paid back.
This is exactly where the home mortgage crisis had it’s foundation.”
“Forcing bankers to make bad loans by threats, intimidation, and calling them racists,.”
Not at all.
Telling banks that if they give white people with a certain credit history, minorities should also get that same loan if they have the same credit history.
Banks were rejecting minorities based on skin color not credit history.
The whole blaming the economic crisis on minorities instead of greedy and unscrupulous bankers is gonna work wonders for the right wing in 2010.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
MNM:”This is exactly where the home mortgage crisis had it’s foundation.”
Moving right onto the next lie I see. So ACORN protests invented derivatives? I suppose in your fantasy land Lehman Brothers went down due to all those bad mortgages they gave?
Do you really believe all this nonsense you parrot? You sound even further out of touch with basic reality than the old hippie pot heads I occasionally met when I lived near Berkeley.
Posted by: jhw539 | April 13, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
“Man the barricades because Mickey Mouse is coming to a voting booth near you!”
Been here and gone …
Posted by: Pants on Fire | April 13, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
“It isn’t that liberals are ignorant, it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so”. -Ronald Reagan
Quotes from a man suffering from Alzheimers.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Well said.
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I’m a Cuban American and most of you that have not idea of what the Castro Regime has done to our Country including Obama. All this Embargo talk is just an excuse that Castro has to submit this country into the misery they live in. Castro has relations with other Countries like Canada, Mexico, France, Italy etc to name a few. He could buy food, medicine clothes etc for the country…give the people freedom through those countries,no, you people have no idea how controlled the government has the Cuban people and that has nothing to do with the Embargo.. What Obama is doing is helping the Cuban Government all this monies going to Cuba a big percentage is going to the kept by the government and as far a visiting is just more money for Cuba to update their military and enrich the Castro’s more if not we will talk in five years and you will let me know how prosperous Cuba got.
Posted by: mcastro
Posted by: Obama=socialist | April 13, 2009, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
The election is over, so Cuban-American support isn’t necessarily vital, and ordinary Americans support the president’s campaign promise.
This is a decision that is shockingly without real controversy.
Posted by: matt | April 13, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
“You people are absolutely ridiculous- beyong my comprehension. ACORN and Barry O staged sit-ins in chicago that were solely meant to intimidate the banks into LOWERING their lending standards”
Wrong an several accounts.
1) Obama was not part of any sit in with ACORN. He was one of several attorneys on 1 of ACORN’s lawsuits.
2) Sit-ins were not about getting banks to lower standards but to get banks to treat minorities the same as whites when it came to loans. Look up redlining.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Ryan C
I am pretty sure when Reagan helped defeat your communist comrades in the soviet union he was not suffering from alzheimer’s.
Posted by: Dave | April 13, 2009, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
“I notice you mix American Business in between to bury the fact that Castro confiscated legitimate US interests in Cuba, unilaterally and without all that due process Obama wants to give to the terrorists.”
Because American business enjoyed a corrupt relationship with the Batista government, you cannot call them legitimate.
Its funny how you demand then disparage due process in a single sentence.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Bush was all about adhereing to old worn our policies and rhetoric. The 1984 book “The March of Folly” best described his presidency. The march of folly being “the perverse persistence in policies demonstrably unworkable and counterproductive”
Posted by: Ken | April 13, 2009, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
“I am pretty sure when Reagan helped defeat your communist comrades in the soviet union he was not suffering from alzheimer’s”
You do know the comic book Reagan’s Raiders was not real, don’t you?
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Elian G. can now watch Diego .. on cable or satellite.
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | April 13, 2009, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Before Castro came to power, Cuba was basicaly under the ownership of US thugs. Had we not grown a yellow streak down our back and set up the Cubans for a mass slaughter during the Bay of Pigs invasion, Things would be different right now. Thousands suffered because of Kennedy and he darn near got us nuked. Castro has not allowed nuclear weapons in his country, so far. But, we need a friend 90 miles away from our coast. So stop the political poustering already.
Posted by: J France | April 13, 2009, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
I find it disgusting that the US government can tell its own citizens where they can, and can’t, travel.
Posted by: Eric | April 13, 2009, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Gee, Eric “the govt telling its own citizens where they can, and can’t, travel ”
It’s called a passport, and like a driver’s licenses it presumes responsibilities as well as granting rights, unless it is completely denied for good cause.
Posted by: robert b | April 13, 2009, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Ryan C
You do know that America really isn’t an evil country that deserved 9/11, don’t you? Despite all of the liberal, anti-American, propaganda you have obviously submerged yourself with, this truly is the best country the world has ever seen. Turn off those rev wright tapes you have been watching!
I recommend saying the Pledge of Allegiance every day for a week, and thanking God that you don’t actually live in the socialist/communist regime that liberals are so desperately wanting America to become.
Posted by: Dave | April 13, 2009, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
“Before Castro came to power, Cuba was basicaly under the ownership of US thugs.”
And it could be that way AGAIN, unless the Cubans are careful about “allowing U.S. telecommunications networks to link the U.S. and Cuba”. There seem to be some unadvertised features to US telecomm in general …
The mob-friendly White House’s desire to “open up the space needed to see democratic progress in Cuba” should fool NO one.
Posted by: Pants on Fire | April 13, 2009, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
“I recommend saying the Pledge of Allegiance every day for a week,”
Never ceases to make me laugh when some right winger screams about freedom right after telling me I need to take a daily loyalty oath.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
“Ryan C….Don’t you just love how the trolls holler the “commies are coming” with their socialism.. till they go to collect their unemployment, their medicare, their social security.”
The hypocrisy can be astounding, can’t it?
Also that right wingers are screaming about Cuba being a danger to the US shows they are the most frightened of creatures.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Just look back at history and ask yourself one question…What has changed between Cuba’s political scene and ours between February of 1962 and now? Not a GD thing. The only thing that has changed are the players…Russia still wants to put bombers in Cuba, and for those that are too thick to understand what bombers carry today, please look it up…that is too close for my liking today as was too close for JFK’s liking back in the 60′s….Pandering now will only extend the Welcome mat for a likely conflict later….LISTEN TO THE OLDER GENERATION OF CUBANS EXILES THEY KNOW TO WHICH THEY SPEAK…Don’t trust Castro and company…
Posted by: Parallax View | April 13, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
“Just look back at history and ask yourself one question…What has changed between Cuba’s political scene and ours between February of 1962 and now? Not a GD thing.”
Right! So let’s try something different.
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
Ryan C
I know that you are about as loyal to America as the rest of the liberals are patriotic. Atleast you admit it.
You see, if barry O would have only been honest with Americans and said that he agreed with rev racist and bill ayers, we could have hillary or mccain as our president and been 1,000 times better off.
Instead, he simply played chicago-style politics. Barry lied over and over again about his beliefs regarding America and with the help of the nutty liberal media, was able to pull it off.
Posted by: Dave | April 13, 2009, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
When governments of past, still have not adhered to what we ask, the people suffer, and unlike ours, they have no choice…but when Our Nation gives to those under extremes this is humanity against regimes…but Cuba has a stronger connection, to the south with repetative subjection…and to this why! What does our President know, that the people of the USA do not…sanctions lifted to do, and at what price will they be true! What Price President Obama….Cuba has had riches for the rich, falanders of the USA and more hidden within the church…Why does many who speak, refuse the humanity you solidify to give…a direction that is questionable for the ships that will come hidden with agendas for money laundering and more…I stand, and listen to what has been stated..this is not good with all respect to those who have suffered under a regime of evil at best…it is alive, and we offer an olive branch to exchange to give service, but we are not as easy as some may think….there must be more to the subject…Apache
Posted by: Apachecheynne | April 13, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Skip…At what cost???
Posted by: Parallax View | April 13, 2009, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
Let me reverse the question if I may: If we establish good relations with Cuba and they do indeed start to move toward democracy, then why would there be any greater threat from them in any way?
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
Americans are allowed to travel to Iran and China for godsakes. Why are Americans not allowed to travel to Cuba? That makes no sense.
Posted by: Mike C | April 13, 2009, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
The embargo on Cuba only hurts the people of Cuba not Castro. We only drive people further away by allowing policies that do not work to remain in place. You can catch more flies with sugar than vinegar!! Republicans wake up the stick has not worked for the past 40 years, lets try the carrot !!!
Posted by: Real american | April 13, 2009, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Great! It’s about time we have a President that truly represents the People of the U.S. and the People of Cuba. He is worthy of admiration.
Posted by: Tony | April 13, 2009, 5:11 pm 5:11 pm
Skip…I have absolutely no concern with the Cuban people my concern lies with them..I have a great distrust of the present government and Castro; as well as General Anatoly Zhikharev, Chief of Russian air force Strategic aviation staff who would like to place Russian bombers in Cuba..If there is one thing that cannot be denied nor ignored it is History…
Posted by: Parallax View | April 13, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
“I know that you are about as loyal to America as the rest of the liberals are patriotic. Atleast you admit it.”
You confuse blind loyalty and nationalism with patriotism.
Don’t feel bad though, most of the other fascists make the same mistake.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
“as well as General Anatoly Zhikharev, Chief of Russian air force Strategic aviation staff who would like to place Russian bombers in Cuba.”
You’re worried about Russian bombers being 90 miles away
Yet just a scant week ago you were adamant that the US putting its missile defense of Russia’s border was no big deal and certainly not provacative.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Finally, I’m very glad this president is taking a stand between the old Cuban ideology of resolving issues by maintaining distance and suffocating the Cuban people instead of engaging in communication and trade with the island. Has anyone ever resolved an issue by the previous ideology which has taken this country 50 years to realize it has been the wrong one. To quote a very famous musical group “All you need is love.”
Posted by: Alejandro Rodriguez | April 13, 2009, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Even if Putin consented to such a rash move, which I highly doubt he would, wouldn’t it be more likely that we could influence Cuba to not allow it if we had better relations with them? We’ll deal with Russia about the bombers.
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm
Ryan C,
Its not really blind loyalty, its more like primitive tribalism.
Posted by: Flash Override | April 13, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Again…Would you support your neighbor and his right to keep a vicious dog (Russian Military) unchained running free in your neighborhood even if that dog was tranquilized??? I do not support Castro..
Posted by: Parallax View | April 13, 2009, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
Cuba never had any real military significance, even during the ‘missile crisis’ when the US was forced to give up its missiles in Turkey – what effect did this have? None whatsoever.
The ‘threat’ from Cuba, as the ruling class of the US has readily admitted, is that it could represent a successful socialist experiment. The goal of the blockade was always to destroy their ability to lead by example, as in Vietnam where the US strategy was never to win the military war, but instead to destroy the country.
Cubans now have better health care than the US, a lower infant mortality rate, higher literacy and full employment. Not only that, they are the only ‘sustainable’ economy on the planet, according to the UN. The blockade therefore, has been a miserable failure.
Posted by: Flash Override | April 13, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
“Would you support your neighbor and his right to keep a vicious dog (Russian Military) unchained running free in your neighborhood even if that dog was tranquilized?”
Which reminds me, where is Cheney these days?
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Skip I do not WANT to deal with Russia and their bombers I do want my kids to deal with Russian bombers…JFK did this country’s future generation a favor by the embargo so that we would not be supporting a government with our goods and services who would allow Russian bombers…Obama is taking a first step toward reducing embargo with his action today….With that I can only say Time Will Tell
Posted by: Parallax View | April 13, 2009, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
Skip I do not WANT to deal with Russia and their bombers I do want my kids to deal with Russian bombers…”
Nice transition from the deficit talking points last week.
“JFK did this country’s future generation a favor by the embargo so that we would not be supporting a government with our goods and services who would allow Russian bombers”
JFK did this country a favor by instituting a policy that has resulted in ZERO progress of our goals in implementing the policy?
Did Cuban and Russian military cooperation end after the Cuban Missile Crisis?
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
RyanC…Kept it out of my back yard!!!
Posted by: Parallax View | April 13, 2009, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm
I don’t understand this irrational fear about Russia. They have an appalingly bad death rate – Their population is shrinking faster than Europe’s. The majority of their military is outdated and badly needs modernization.
Posted by: Mike C | April 13, 2009, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
“RyanC…Kept it out of my back yard!!!”
Could you possibly be more petrified of a non existent threat?
Is this why right wingers buy so many guns?
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm
Is there a direct link between the missile shield and the bombers? -Such as during the debate about the missile shield in Europe the Russians did a little saber rattling about bombers in Cuba?
Posted by: Skip | April 13, 2009, 5:56 pm 5:56 pm
Right on, and hopefully we’ll see the end of the stupid embargo. Finally, a little dose of common sense here.
Posted by: Tungsten | April 13, 2009, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
“Is there a direct link between the missile shield and the bombers? -Such as during the debate about the missile shield in Europe the Russians did a little saber rattling about bombers in Cuba?”
Russians have upped their military exercises with Venezuela and Cuba around the same time period as argument over the missile shield (the last year or so) but I am not sure if you can draw a direct cause-effect.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm
Carl, FYI US citizens who do not have family in Cuba have been traveling to the island for some time. They fly in from Mexico, Panama, perhaps even Guatemala. The Cuban officials don´t mark the passports so there is no visa as “evidence.” This is just another example of how idiotic the ban is. If we can travel to Russia, China,and other non-democratic states, then why not Cuba?
Posted by: BachisBest | April 13, 2009, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
Mike C whose worried about their population???? I am concerned about their weapons and their ambitions to become king of the hill…
Posted by: Parallax View | April 13, 2009, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
Well, this will be interesting. I think it might actually be a good idea. Why not give it a try. My prediction is that Cuba won’t put up with it, and will look like the dictatorship that it is. Or, more US dollars to family members, makes the country wealthier, less beholden to the gov for support. Win win I hope.
Posted by: Wade | April 13, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
RyanC Non-existent threat?? Guess that’s why liberals attempt to re-write history to conform to their agenda; perhaps, it’s easier than facing reality…
March 8, 2009…President Dmitry Medvedev vowed to press ahead with an ambitious overhaul of Russians armed forces..promising weapons upgrades…
Posted by: Parallax View | April 13, 2009, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
“RyanC Non-existent threat?? Guess that’s why liberals attempt to re-write history to conform to their agenda; perhaps, it’s easier than facing reality…”
Please tell me the military threat we face from Cuba.
“March 8, 2009…President Dmitry Medvedev vowed to press ahead with an ambitious overhaul of Russians armed forces..promising weapons upgrades…”
Now the whole truth
President Dmitry Medvedev vowed Tuesday to press ahead with an ambitious overhaul of Russia’s armed forces despite the nation’s economic problems and vocal opposition from within the military. Medvedev promised weapons upgrades but also endorsed organizational changes that will cut the officer corps by more than half, or as many as 200,000 positions.
By mentioning NATO, Medvedev seemed to be trying to answer critics who say the plan represents a downscaling of Russian military ambitions because it focuses on regional conflicts and gives up on trying to maintain an army capable of winning a war against the West.
But Alexander Golts, a Russian military analyst who has written a book about failed efforts to revamp the armed forces, said the facts of the plan undermine the Kremlin’s rhetoric about the threat posed by NATO. “If you really believed in the possibility of military confrontation with NATO and the United States, you can’t move to an armed forces of this kind,” he said.
Posted by: Ryan C | April 13, 2009, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm
Mike C said ” I don’t understand this irrational fear about Russia. ” I’m guessing you didn’t grow up during the Cold War or you wouldn’t be asking that question.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | April 13, 2009, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
ellsbells930, I’m sorry to break it to you. But the Soviet Union no longer exists. Welcome to like 20 years ago.
Our military is light-years ahead of Russia. Like I said, I simply don’t understand the constant need for the Right-wing to be terrified of someone all the time. If it’s not Russia, it’s China, if it’s not China, it’s “Muslims.” I mean honestly, it’s not healthy guys.
Posted by: Mike C | April 13, 2009, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
Parallax View, do you know how devestating a shrinking population effects one’s military and economy.
When you have a shrinking population, that means less babies are being born, less babies means less young adults. Less adults means a smaller army and a smaller consumer market. Not to mention an older population means more strain on social services. I’m sorry but your Russia-phobia is irrational – geo-politically, they’re not a threat to us.
I’m sorry to inform all you right-wing guys, but the Cold war is over, we won – remember?
Posted by: Mike C | April 13, 2009, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm
Allowing limited visitation as an initial step toward instituting sensible relations with Cuba is significant. However, it needs to be the first of a series of steps toward establishing a “good neighbor” policy. The rigor mortis of our past protocols needs to give way to mutually beneficial exchanges of goods, ideas, intellect, services, etc. Moreover, segregation of the right to travel to an exclusive domain of Americans conflicts with our core principles. In truth, the current travel restrictions that have been placed on American citizens is categorically undemocratic. It is important to move our country in a direction of hemispheric partnership. Our nearly-fifty-year-old carrot / stick diplomacy with Cuba is futile, because as time has proven, we have no carrots that they need, and no stick that they heed. Full diplomatic relations with Cuba is a change in which we can believe.
Posted by: LAB 550 | April 13, 2009, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
I haven’t read the other comments so I might be redundent – at least I hope so.
Again, I wish to push the idea that Cuba is far too close to us to allow them to be our enemy. Besides, friendship is usually better than enemies anyway.
Since several important changes are already being made between the USA and Cuba; why not go a step or two further. First – lift the embargo. Our might as a nation should be enough leverage by its self. Second – Close Gitmo and return the area to Cuba. We shurely can come up with some other place to house the terrorists. Please don’t misunderstand me. I am a loyal natural born American. I fought in Vietnam and am 100% disabled. I have paid my price. I just feel it is to our great advantage to have Cuba as much on our side as possible. Heck – we don’t seem to have any problem “normalizing” relations with China. And we seem, at least, to be tring to made advances where N. and S. Korea are concerned. Anyway – change is fundamental to progress. If the need ever should arise – we can always evaporate Cuba. (Just kidding). As an aside: I am of Irish descent. BK
Posted by: Bob Keeney | April 13, 2009, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
“allow them to be our enemy”
I don’t get this notion that the U.S. somehow decides whether or not other countries are allies or enemies? Those governments and populaces make that decision on their own. If someone only takes from you and never does anything for you, they aren’t your friend.
These restrictions will not improve the lot of the Cuban people, but is a move to cozy up to the Castro brothers’ regime and to introduce cash flow into their system thus increasing their power and legitimacy.
Tell you one thing, if these guys had the name “Batista” no such policies would be forthcoming from this administration.
Posted by: RR GOP | April 13, 2009, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
I would imagine than an avalanche of Wall Street bankers and their buddies, are now on their way to Cuba as we speak, in an attempt to gain a foothold on property they can over develop with their ill gotten loot from the American taxpayers that has been stashed away in foreign off shore accounts that they failed to pay taxes on.
Posted by: devilkev | April 14, 2009, 12:20 am 12:20 am
osted by: Obama=socialist- I absolutely
agree with you that Obama is so naive socialist. I am Korean-American who came from Seoul, Korea. Two Stupid former presidents in South Korea from 1998 to 2008 had aided huge money $4,300,000,000.00 for resolving of hungry in North Korean for last 10 years. The aids never ever helped the innocents people in N.Korea, but paranoiac Kim, Jung Il has thrown all the money to produce missiles and nuclear arms. It’s evidence the cockamamie Kim, Jung Il launched the missiles against S.Korea and USA on Apr. 5, 2009. HOW DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY, PRESIDENT OF USA CAN TRUST HALLUCINATORY AND SOCIALIST LEADERS ??? THE CASTRO HAS NOTHING CHANGED SO FAR.
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“I’m a Cuban American and most of you that have not idea of what the Castro Regime has done to our Country including Obama. All this Embargo talk is just an excuse that Castro has to submit this country into the misery they live in. Castro has relations with other Countries like Canada, Mexico, France, Italy etc to name a few. He could buy food, medicine clothes etc for the country…give the people freedom through those countries,no, you people have no idea how controlled the government has the Cuban people and that has nothing to do with the Embargo.. What Obama is doing is helping the Cuban Government all this monies going to Cuba a big percentage is going to the kept by the government and as far a visiting is just more money for Cuba to update their military and enrich the Castro’s more if not we will talk in five years and you will let me know how prosperous Cuba got.
Posted by: Obama=socialist | Apr 13, 2009 3:42:38 PM
Posted by: DNC must be changed | April 14, 2009, 1:20 am 1:20 am
It is pathetic. Can’t trust the Cuban government. It is exactly what happened to the Clinton Admin. when they lift restrictions on Cuba. It is going to cause some more problems. It will get worse.
Posted by: anonymous | April 14, 2009, 5:56 am 5:56 am
Just great :)more $ sent out of country not doing anything for our economy.
Posted by: lvh | April 14, 2009, 6:24 am 6:24 am
Woo hoo, could use some Cuban cigars!!!
Posted by: Neutral Nancy | April 14, 2009, 9:32 am 9:32 am
“It is pathetic. Can’t trust the Cuban government. It is exactly what happened to the Clinton Admin. when they lift restrictions on Cuba. It is going to cause some more problems. It will get worse.”
How so?
“Just great :)more $ sent out of country not doing anything for our economy.”
Lol. Okay.
“Woo hoo, could use some Cuban cigars!!!”
Been smoking them for years. It’s the rum and partying in Havana that I’m most looking forward to. This should be interesting.
Posted by: Silky | April 14, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am
if you are going to complain about american dollars being diverted from the economy to cuba, what about all the money america gives to Israel? Exactly, how does that help the economy?
Furthermore, I think it is a tremendous move. Enough of the John Wayne type foreign policy. In a global economy the interests of one nation are intricately interwoven to that of others. The days of posturing and running rough shod over other countries are a thing of the past.
Posted by: peg | April 14, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am
30 years ago i was a student in Cuba, I myself was a victim of the communist regime.Time has moved on and so should we.However did the (revolution) achieved it’s purpose ?.The (BLOSKADE) for almost 50 years has.(1) The Cubans are mentally scarred with rationing, ENGINERS, DOCTORS,TEACHERS etc. etc dont know what will be their next meal,(2)The Cubans are enslaved by an ideology that was born, bred, and burried by the Soviets more than a decade ago.(3)The Cubans are in need of medicines,and other basic materials to help them respect heir dignity.(4)The USA must end the hostility towards the Cuban people.(5)The USA should respect these words (LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF)I believe with all respect to PRESIDENT OBAMA that he should consider lifting the (BLOCKADE) ENTIRELY.
Posted by: Christino | April 14, 2009, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Let us be clear and let us be historically accurate. The nearly-half-century-old trade embargo was begun as a reaction to Castro, and had nothing to do with human rights. The U.S. had assisted in the overthrow of Batista, and we expected to exercise leverage in the internal affairs of Cuba. That did not happen. Additionally, Fidel Castro, Che Guevara, and Raul Castro saw fit to assist the Black Africans in Cuito Carnavale, Angola stemming the tide of South Africa’s Apartheid regime. At that time, the U.S. was an ally of South Africa. If human rights had been a salient issue for us, without hesitation, we would have enacted a trade embargo against South Africa, which we did reluctantly, eventually, but not as a first course of action. To be historically transparent, it was the nation of Cuba that demonstrated the most visible action and attention to human rights in the eradication of Apartheid, sending troops, doctors, and medical supplies.
To be concerned with human rights is an unassailably correct consideration. Nevertheless, it was not our original priority with Cuba. We have grafted human rights to our current nuanced stance, but it is not a part of the initial charter. As we continue to renovate our posture regarding Cuba and human rights, we need to sunset the embargo, immediately and unequivocally. The trade embargo has not produced one iota of measurable benefit to the United States, Cuba, or the region. This is a change whose time has come.
Posted by: LAB 550 | April 14, 2009, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
Mike C said “ellsbells930, I’m sorry to break it to you. But the Soviet Union no longer exists. Welcome to like 20 years ago.” No! Really?? But Russia does exist & has been rattling their sabres in Georgia & other former Soviet republics. They would like nothing more than to “reaquire” those areas. And if you think they don’t, you are being naive.
Posted by: ellsbells930 | April 14, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm
When the OAS meets in Trinidad, I hope President Obama initiate the dignity of lifting the BLOCKADE on Cuba without any concessions. As in the words of the late civil rights leader Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. (LET FREEDOM REIGN)why punish 11 million people for so long, Cuba is in a state of deterioration,It appears as if a nuclear bomb has dropped on it.The world is watching.
Posted by: Christino | April 15, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am