President Obama Discusses Possible Prosecution of Bush Administration Officials
"For those who carried out some of these operations within the four corners of legal opinions or guidance that had been provided from the White House, I do not think it’s appropriate for them to be prosecuted," President Obama said today. "With respect to those who formulated those legal decisions, I would say that that is going to be more of a decision for the attorney general within the parameters of various laws, and I don’t want to prejudge that. I think that there are a host of very complicated issues involved there."
The White House also suggested, for the first time, that any public investigation of interrogation policy should be like the 9/11 Commission.
"There needs to be a further accounting of what took place during this period, I think for Congress to examine ways that it can be done in a bipartisan fashion, outside of the typical hearing process that can sometimes break down and break it entirely along party lines, to the extent that there are independent participants who are above reproach and have credibility, that would probably be a more sensible approach to take," Obama added.
White House press secretary Robert Gibbs added that the president would see the 9/11 Commission as a model of how an investigation into the torture memo matter should take place.
"I think the president said that he is fearful that … this could become overly politicized," Gibbs said. "And I think that the president would see a 9/11 Commission as a … in all honesty, a model for how any investigation or commission might be set up because I think we can all understand that the 9/11 Commission was comprised of very respected members that, despite being Democrats or Republicans, put their party identification away in order to answer some very serious questions."
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Posted by: Omentum | April 21, 2009, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
Jake, I can’t tell you how much I appreciate your coverage of the administration – truly outstanding. You are a credit to the profession.
I would love to see this pursued in more depth – the Washington Post piece today by Marc Thiessen. I found it frightening and would love to hear the administrations position.
Posted by: J.D. Johnson | April 21, 2009, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
How about holding Nancy Pelosi and the other members of Congress who were informed about the harsh interogation techniques and thought they were fine, to the same standards and prosceute them as well. Their support was required for techniques to be used, or is this just a political witch hunt.
Posted by: Philip V. | April 21, 2009, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm
There is a serious error in this post as well as in your article on the subject, Jake.
What Obama said was: “IF AND WHEN there needs to be a further accounting of what took place during this period…”
Two small words can change the entire meaning of a quote.
Posted by: El_Pajaro | April 21, 2009, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
“For those who carried out some of these operations within the four corners of legal opinions or guidance that had been provided from the White House, I do not think it’s appropriate for them to be prosecuted,”
With that stated, I feel better about this moving forward. It should not be focused on the grunts following orders, it should be focused on the people who set the policies and gave their professional judgment about the legality of the policies and the bosses who approved or demanded them. Professional like lawyers, doctors, and engineers are regulated and bound to offer honest and accurate guidance or else they are legally liable for the repercussions (usually just loss of license, but also can be big fines and even imprisonment in extreme cases).
Posted by: jhw539 | April 21, 2009, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm
It is pathetic! To investigate this?? It is waste of our taxpayer’s money. What’s a waste of time? Obama will lose the election in 2012 and the Democratic Congress will lose the election in 2010.
Posted by: anonymous | April 21, 2009, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm
Obama and his aides had been fairly clear on the undesirable nature of prosecutions. That POTUS would say what he did today is nothing but a bow to the left. We’ll see if he follows through.
Posted by: matt | April 21, 2009, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Obama should be impeached and tried for treason.
Posted by: GregR | April 21, 2009, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
I agree with the previous poster. EVERYONE who was informed on the program details is complicit…Congress was informed per the law.They should not get off the hook.They had the opportunity to stop it in its tracks, and they didn’t..why?
Because they feared American blood on their hands if they stood in the way.
This is going to be worse than the Church Committee hearings…will decimate CIA morale.
By releasing the memos, the President followed his agenda and gave the story ‘legs’.His words were somewhat hollow today given he has already politicized this issue.
Posted by: J House | April 21, 2009, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm
I have to take a minute too and say Mr. Jake Tapper, you do deserve credit for holding this admin accountable to their own words and deeds.
If only a fraction of the WH press corps could work on behalf of the people, not the President…
Posted by: J House | April 21, 2009, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
The CIA released today info that said waterboarding the 9/11 mastermind provided them with information to PREVENT a 9/11 type attack on Los Angeles
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Nope that was a former Bush official and guess what the torture saved LA claim was debunked when Bush made it 4 years ago.
The claim is that KSM captured and subsequently tortured in 2003 stopped an attack in LA that was to take place in 2002 is ridiculous on its face.
Lets look at responses during the time this was revealed vs the Bush admin rewriting of history.
But how serious was the threat? Cannistraro says it was quite serious and the plot was far along until it was compromised.
“One might say whether or not it was a viable plot,” he said. “But it certainly was the intention of Khalid Sheik Mohammed to carry it out. And we know that since he’s been arrested, we know that this was a serious plot. We know that they had gotten to the point of recruiting volunteers to commit suicide in carrying out the plot. So whether it would have been successful or not, we’ll never know. But we do know that it was pre-empted.”
But Micheal Scheuer, who was the leading al-Qaida expert in the CIA’s counter-terrorism center in 2002, says he is not aware of any such serious threat against the West Coast in 2002. As the man in the CIA who knew more about Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida than perhaps any other agency officer, he says it is unlikely that he would not have been kept informed on such a plot
However serious the plan really was, security sources say it was completely compromised in 2002 with the arrest of Zaini Zakaria, a Malaysian who had been recruited to be one of the suicide pilots.
Posted by: Ryan C | Apr 21, 2009 5:10:48 PM
Posted by: Enough | April 21, 2009, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
Prosecuting a previous administration would distract attention from the actions of the current administration.
Posted by: mad | April 21, 2009, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
Non-Political? Like Jamie Gorelick, creator of the “wall” serving on the 9/11 commission?
Or like the Iraq Study Group, which came to the genius conclusion that we pull out of Iraq?
Along with Congress, perhaps SERE training developers should be included in the investigation.
Posted by: MayBee | April 21, 2009, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
It is sad that weak Obama doesn’t keep his
word.
Posted by: Mihann | April 21, 2009, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
“outside of the typical hearing process that can sometimes break down and break it entirely along party lines,”
Because if they went through normal hearings nasty little secrets, like how the entire democrat leadership was on board with the enhanced techniques at the start.
So if Obama is going to go after Bush admin officials, he also has to go after the accessories, like the people who gave congressional approval like Nancy Pelosi and Harrey Reid. Thats why Obama wants it behind closed doors, so their roles can be silent.
Posted by: Zaggs | April 21, 2009, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
Here’ what Eric Holder (not a former Bush official, so far as I am aware) had to say on CNN in January, 2002:
“One of the things we clearly want to do with these prisoners is to have an ability to interrogate them and find out what their future plans might be, where other cells are located; under the Geneva Convention that you are really limited in the amount of information that you can elicit from people.
“It seems to me that given the way in which they have conducted themselves, however, that they are not, in fact, people entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention. They are not prisoners of war. If, for instance, Mohamed Atta had survived the attack on the World Trade Center, would we now be calling him a prisoner of war? I think not. Should Zacarias Moussaoui be called a prisoner of war? Again, I think not.”
I rather doubt that he will elect to bring any prosecutions.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | April 21, 2009, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
I am certain that there will be absolutely no prosecutions in this case, because precedence has already been set by past administrations. Lawyers for the defense will point this out, line by line, from FDR to LBJ to Clinton…NO PROSECUTIONS! At the end of the day, taxpayer dollars will be wasted, Democrats will be humiliated and elections will be lost to Republicans. Nothing good can come of this hypocritical interpretation of the law…and Bush Administration Officials know it.
Sorry Liberals, but your hatred is misguided. I disagree with many things the Bush Administration did, but taking extraordinary measures during extraordinary times to protect our nation cannot be punished. If our country can justify Japanese Internment Camps, dropping Nuclear Bombs on two Japanese Cities and the countless acts of torture in Southeast Asia under President’s JFK, LBJ and Nixon…what the Bush Administration did pales in comparison.
Posted by: Gary | April 21, 2009, 11:26 pm 11:26 pm
It should be noted that a former Clinton CIA director, George Tenet, has repeatedly and forcefully stated that the waterboarding of the principal three guys unquestionably saved thousands of lives.
I would welcome prosecutions for the backlash they would create, but they’re just not going to occur.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | April 21, 2009, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
“Non-Political? Like Jamie Gorelick, creator of the ‘wall’ serving on the 9/11 commission?”
Let us not forget the reliably non-partisan Richard Ben Veniste, who so badly humiliated himself on that commission.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | April 21, 2009, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
But, as first reported by the New York Times’ Peter Baker Tuesday night, President Obama’s own Director of National Intelligence, former Admiral Dennis Blair, wrote a memo to his staff last week in which he said the methods, some of which are said to be torture by legal and human rights groups, were effective.
“High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,” Blair wrote.
Does this president only listen to the
likes of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and
George Soros(the true leader of the
Democrat Party)?
Osama Bin laden and his band of
cutthroats are laughing histerically at
this naive and foolish president!
If Obama follows through on this
every new administration from this day
forward will attempt to prosecute
members of the previous administrations
for policies and actions they don’t
agree with!
Will Obama be prosecuted for trying
to nationalize our banks?
Will Obama be tried for treason for
releasing the CIA memos when we’re
fighting two wars as well as the
larger war on terror?
Posted by: reaganfan | April 21, 2009, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Admiral Blair was obviously confused–for a moment there he thought he was a former Bush official.
Posted by: Fascist Hyena | April 21, 2009, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
Obama is going to put his cousin D ck Cheney in prison.
hilarious!!!
Posted by: Omentum | April 21, 2009, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
Since 1952, the Republicans have held the White house for 36 years, the Dems for 20 years. The Republicans have come back from worse conditions then present (Watergate). The Dems are riding high now, but they should be careful of overreaching. Can the precedent of prosecuting former administrations (like we were some banana republic) can be turned against them in the future?
Posted by: Terry | April 21, 2009, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
After all Bush’s talk about “Accountability and consequences” during his 2000 campaign, his underlings and followers SURE LOOK SCARED.
TIME TO FACE THE MUSIC, AND PAY THE PIPER.
Word to the Republican Party:
DON’T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN’T DO THE TIME.
Posted by: R Mutt | April 21, 2009, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
Posted by: R Mutt | Apr 21, 2009 11:49:48 PM
YES!!!!
THE STATEMENT OF THE DAY
Strategery gone Awry!!!
Posted by: Omentum | April 21, 2009, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
It is sad that weak Obama doesn’t keep his
word.
Posted by: Mihann | Apr 21, 2009 11:11:49 PM
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awwwww!!!!! wittle Mihann is upset. Cheer up Mihann. At least you weren’t some iraqi getting tortured, or some family who will not see their loved one again because they were lost in a senseless war.
see there… you’re feeling better already!!
Posted by: Omentum | April 21, 2009, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm
Democrats are setting themselves up for a massive disappointment by making such sweeping changes that sound great on the surface, but do not take into account the consequences for getting it wrong. President Obama will only be the first to suffer the affects, as the ripples will filter down through the Senate and House of Representatives. 2012 seems far away and irrelevant now, but by the end of the year, the prospect for change will captivate the independent voters.
Posted by: Gary | April 22, 2009, 12:25 am 12:25 am
The Democrats could proceed cautiously and make gradual changes in case of setbacks or disaster, but no…they get a pair of Queens at the Poker Table of politics and go ALL IN with overconfidence…then they can’t even bluff their way out, as their opponent has a full house!
Posted by: Gary | April 22, 2009, 12:28 am 12:28 am
I don’t agree much with Republicans, but I can’t stand Democrats even more. Ted Kennedy…a hero?! Other than leaving a woman to drown and losing to Jimmy Carter in 1976, what did he “really” do?
Posted by: Gary | April 22, 2009, 12:30 am 12:30 am
What are the Great accomplishments of Caroline Kennedy?
Posted by: Gary | April 22, 2009, 12:31 am 12:31 am
Other than comparing our Soldiers treatment of Guantanamo Bay detainees to the millions of murdered civilians at Nazi Concentration Camps and the Russian Gulages, what has Durbin done?
Posted by: Gary | April 22, 2009, 12:34 am 12:34 am
I think of all those Democrats who have served and sacrificed for this country that didn’t get recognition, but these ones did?! President Obama’s policies seem to mirror the misguided honors during the “Serve America” legislation signing today.
Posted by: Gary | April 22, 2009, 12:41 am 12:41 am
Obama’s foreign policy is so weak. He have a lack of inexperience and leadership.
Posted by: anonymous | April 22, 2009, 6:39 am 6:39 am
All I can say folks is that when we are hit again Obama will have nobody to blame but himself and his weak policies. He kind of ruined the blame game by dumbing down our security and interrogation techniques.
Odumba should also remember that he is setting a standard of looking backwards to legally challenge previous administrations. I suppose that teleprompter did tell Odumba that one day he will be out of office as well, and will then by subject to the same standards he helped create. You know, what goes around comes around they say.
Posted by: TxBoB | April 22, 2009, 7:52 am 7:52 am
After all Bush’s talk about “Accountability and consequences” during his 2000 campaign, his underlings and followers SURE LOOK SCARED.
“TIME TO FACE THE MUSIC, AND PAY THE PIPER.
Word to the Republican Party:
DON’T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN’T DO THE TIME.”
And in the case of the current administration – DO THE CRIME AND GET AWAY WITH IT. All this righteous indignation over Guantanamo and interrogation. These yoyos would probably ghave done the same thing. Oops, no they would have offered them tea and crumpets and a free ride home. People these are folks caught on the battle field. get a grip.
Posted by: m | April 22, 2009, 8:12 am 8:12 am
Hyena’s fact digging has brought out the COMPLETE & TOTAL hypocrisy of the people in this administration.
How easy it is to now play Monday Morning QB on this issue. Back when it was obvious that the mass majority of people in this country were INDEED ready to whatever it took, Holder’s opinion was these “people” were NOT pow’s nor entitled to the protection of the Geneva Conv.
Now, after years of safety, when the political climate allows for everyone to criticize, now these “people” seem to have more rights than most American citizens.
Posted by: Mike_C | April 22, 2009, 8:43 am 8:43 am
Obama is basically saying, “Even though your policies worked in stopping terrorism in this country, guess what, we’re going to prosecute you …. have a nice day.”
Posted by: Obama, the second coming | April 22, 2009, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Now, after years of safety, when the political climate allows for everyone to criticize, now these “people” seem to have more rights than most American citizens.
_________________________________
Like healthcare.?.
The detainees receive better healthcare than many of our 9/11 rescue workers.
Afterall, we can’t let them die after they are tortured and they must have the best medical care possible.
A shame, our country refuses to do that for its own citizens.
Posted by: Jesse | April 22, 2009, 9:18 am 9:18 am
“It is sad that weak Obama doesn’t keep his word.”
He knows it’s not going to happen and is just playing it as any savy politico would. Get the additional political capital for appeasing the Dems while getting the intended result anyway. He’s good.
Posted by: Silky | April 22, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am
Mike_C
(side note)
Were you impacted by the discontinuation of the Raptor?
Posted by: JKS | April 22, 2009, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Here is part of the conundrum:
According to Gibbs, it is the attorney general’s office that can determine if the memos were outside the law and legal.
However, the attorney general’s office at the time of the events determined that the memos and actions were legal.
If a decision was made by the AG then how can it be illegal now?
Posted by: jb | April 22, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am
JKS,
No, I personally am not working on raptor program. I do know some people however who are going to be impacted by its future.
My point on this one all along was it was a relatively (comapred to the $$$ we now talk about in regards to budgets and programs) small investment for keeping nearly 100,000 good paying American jobs.
Has anyone had time to look up how many jobs the “stimulator” has created?
The so-called saved category is useless unless you use it for scenarios like the Raptor. For most businesses, it would mean publically reporting future lay-offs, hence the number will in most cases be based on vapor when you hear it used.
Posted by: Mike_C | April 22, 2009, 10:45 am 10:45 am
This entire discussion is right out of Alice in Wonderland. For years, we listened to Bush and Cheney claim “we do not torture.” Now that it’s clear that we did, we’re listening to the likes of George Tenet claim that it was effective. So according to former Bush administration, that which we didn’t do was effective.
How does George Tenet, the man who claimed that the case for WMD’s in Iraq was a “slam dunk,” have the nerve to offer his opinions on anything? Crawl back into your cave, George.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | April 22, 2009, 11:02 am 11:02 am
It’s not the least bit clear that we tortured anyone. Waterboarding is not torture. We know the current president is murdering Somali teenagers and Pakistani families. Let’s prosecute him for that. It’s not like Congress said it was okay.
Posted by: Plumber | April 22, 2009, 11:15 am 11:15 am
It’s not the least bit clear that we tortured anyone. Waterboarding is not torture.
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“As a former Master Instructor and Chief of Training at the US Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School (SERE) in San Diego, California I know the waterboard personally and intimately. SERE staff were required undergo the waterboard at its fullest. I was no exception. I have personally led, witnessed and supervised waterboarding of hundreds of people. It has been reported that both the Army and Navy SERE school’s interrogation manuals were used to form the interrogation techniques used by the US army and the CIA for its terror suspects.
What was not mentioned in most articles was that SERE was designed to show how an evil totalitarian, enemy would use torture at the slightest whim. If this is the case, then waterboarding is unquestionably being used as torture technique.”
(Malcom Nance – just part of an informative article written 10/31/07)
Posted by: Enough | April 22, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Waterboarding doesnt sound like torture to me. Listening to B Hussein Obama and his lies is more like torture to me.
Posted by: Mitch in NC | April 22, 2009, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
it’s been revealed that Bush & Co. used torture to try and elicit phony info about the justification for starting the Iraq war………this has nothing to do with 9/11….. it’s about Bush & Cheney starting a war, getting Americans killed and maimed because Bush and Cheney lied.
Posted by: Dewde | April 22, 2009, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
Actually dewed that rumor was debunked years ago.
Posted by: Plumber | April 22, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Nobody will be prosecuted and the
president knows it.
The definition of torture is not set
in stone so good luck with that!
One man’s torture is another man’s
enhanced interrogation technique.
This is a diversion to take away the
attention given to President Obama’s
disasterous trip to Latin America where
he shook hands with Chavez and Ortega
and stood by while they denounced our
country.
Obama’s foreign policy of Blah, Blah.
Blah is a joke.
His outrageous spending will bankrupt
our economy not fix it.
Therefore the president needs a
theme for his re-election campaign
in 2012.
The idea is to have numerous hearings
in the House and Senate denouncing
the “unlawful” acts of the Bush
Administration and hoping the
maniacal hatred of Bush by his
base will carry him to victory!
It won’t work, Mr President!
The media can’t protect you forever.
You will be a one-term president.
But don’t worry maybe your pal, Chavez
will give you a job, or Ortega, or
Raul Castro!
Posted by: reaganfan | April 22, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Plumber:
debunked? by who Cheney? Rumsfeld? Bush?
from the news: TODAY
A former senior U.S. intelligence official familiar with the interrogation issue said that Cheney and former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld demanded that intelligence agencies and interrogators find evidence of al Qaida-Iraq collaboration.
“Cheney’s and Rumsfeld’s people were told repeatedly, by CIA . . . and by others, that there wasn’t any reliable intelligence that pointed to operational ties between bin Laden and Saddam, and that no such ties were likely because the two were fundamentally enemies, not allies.”
Senior administration officials, however, “blew that off and kept insisting that we’d overlooked something, that the interrogators weren’t pushing hard enough, that there had to be something more we could do to get that information,” he said.
Posted by: Dewde | April 22, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
reaganfan:
you said:
“One man’s torture is another man’s
enhanced interrogation technique.”
Why were the Nazi’s prosecuted then?
Why was anyone concerned with Saddam’ oppression of his people?
Why was anyone in an uproar about Pol Pot?
I could go on…..
Posted by: Dewde | April 22, 2009, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Dewde: You make a compelling case for not prosecuting anyone for the “enhanced interrogation techniques” during the War On Terror.
Since no one was prosecuted in previous administrations for such acts during World War II, Korea, Vietnam, etc., nor was President Truman prosecuted for authorizing the A-Bomb attacks on Japan…your point is dead-on!
Posted by: Gary | April 22, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
gary:
you forgot that Clinton was ‘prosecuted’ for having sex……
you can review all of history if you care to, and point out that many incidents you somehow want to equate with the Bush torture policy were not ‘prosecuted’, that does not set precedent for current events ….
Posted by: Dedwe | April 22, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
The Obama Administration should put an end to this political witch hunt, A man that associated with the like of Areys and Dorn whose weather under ground terrorist org. actually killed innocent people with acts of violence, doesn’t have the moral athority to attack people that saved american lives
Posted by: Philip V. | April 22, 2009, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Dewde:
Comparing the waterboarding of
those responsible for 9/11 to
Hitler, Saddam, and Pol Pot is
ridiculous.
Like it or not the techniques kept us
safe after 9/11.
Bush and Cheney deserve our thanks
not our scorn for that.
Posted by: reaganfan | April 22, 2009, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
This is an easy one.. even a new leader should be able to figure out.. imagine the world.. eight years fast forwarded..
Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | April 23, 2009, 7:48 am 7:48 am