President Obama Calls New Women-Oppressing Afghan Law “Abhorrent” — But Suggests It Won’t Change US Mission

This raises some interesting questions.
Do we have the right to interfere with law making in Afghanistan?
What would the repercussion be if the law is changed by NATO or us pressure on Karzai?
Was the existence of this law known to Obama previously and is the reason he changed the policy eliminating “democracy” as a goal?

Interesting observation Sigmond. I’m not sure of the implications of one democracy telling another: “hey, you are doing it wrong.”

I understand Obama’s Real Politic view of the situation, but installing harsh sharia law on women is so reprehensible and against everything that we stand for that I feel that he HAS to stand up for the women. Karzai needs to know that he needs to not go back to Taliban policies.
Our troops are very valiant and will continue to do a great job to protect us. So, I don’t thin this will effect them much even if it does bother them.
Are we going to see women covered in all wool covering and girls not allowed to get an education next? That is just reprehensible.

Interesting, Iran and many other nations under sharia? Why the fuss? Or does the left just wanna be anti-war some more?

Hmmmmm, a situation that is just as bad as slavery warrants no action, no words, just nothing?
Just what kind of message is Obama really sending?

I understand these points, all of them good ones. However, we ARE there now. American military and civilian men and women are dieing in that land. As long as American blood is being spilt in their land it should be strongly suggested to them that certain ideals and concepts of basic human rights be accepted into their society and culture.
Perhaps some new ideas might be a good change.

Hmmmmm, a situation that is just as bad as slavery warrants no action, no words, just nothing?
Just what kind of message is Obama really sending?
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Why the hell aren’t we in a war in Africa then? We should have been based on your premise for the last four decades.

To Jake Tapper:
Hillary didn’t even know that Karzai had done this.
On Wednesday when the Belgium Foreign Minister brought it up to her Hillary wasn’t aware of this.
Isn’t she breifed on anything or does she ever research news online?
This law by Karzai and the parliament had already been in the news for weeks.
Reminds me of the time Clinton called Helen Clarke the prime minister of new zealand at the time the former prime minister.
Please report this major Clinton gaffe.

To all of those that said Obama is not a Socialist ………….
The banks are now trying to give back our tax dollars because they no longer need the money. Obama is refusing to take it back!! The only reason he will not take it is that he is looking for Power and Control of the financial industry. Socialist. Thanks to all of you that voted for him!! …… you sold out our country. Don’t worry the rest of us will bail you out as usual.
God Bless America! God Bless Liberty!!

When I was growing up, it was part of the marriage law in every state (of the U.S.) that a wife could not refuse her husband. I haven’t checked recently, but it wouldn’t surprise me if that provision was still on the books in a number of states.

The Teleprompter does not care about the Afghan women. We are sending billions to rebuild the armpit of the earth and we can’t demand basic human rights? But we loan an American car company GM money and he fires the CEO. Controls the banks too. It will continue to be a haven for terror as long as liberty and freedom is absent. BOs fascist mind can’t seem to understand. History will find GWB had much more wisdom that he gets credit for.

I supported the war in Afghanistan because of the Taliban’s treatment of women. I find it interesting that this new Afghan law was brought in after Bush left and Obama took office. The Republican’s would never tolerate this! OF course if I were president I’d invade the Congo to stabilize the US Chocolate supplies!

No one should be surprised by the status of women in Afghanistan anymore than they should be surprised by the status of women in Iran, Iraq, ad nauseum.
These “living in the Stone Ages” societies will treat women as possessions forever – as they have forever. The absence of equality for women demonstrates how invalid their “religion” is.

The first step to peace and stability is to normalize their legal system, however keeping in mind of their
Heritage, The history of their lands should be kept in part, however in order for their Government to move forward for the full betterment of the people, They { Afghanistan Government} must be willing step forward and move ahead by Granting full Rights to a compete education and fair treatment to all both boys, Girls, Women and men alike is the only true way that the nation of Afghanistan Will ever over come it’s many problems and be a productive part of main stream in the modern World today.
I truly believe if the government of Afghanistan is not willing to do such, Then either the Union Nations – NATO or the UNITED STATES, should take them over to stabilize not only Afghanistan, but the entire region.
My personal and professional views, such as they are
Bill Adams, President.
Adams Consulting International

Sounds like typical islamist bullshlt. Of all the problems going on in Afghanistan I’m sure glad the idiots are confronting the real problems. We should have used the LSD bombs.

“These “living in the Stone Ages” societies will treat women as possessions forever – as they have forever…”
While we find these laws to be backward and unjust indeed, let’s be fair. These societies are nowhere near ‘stone age’. We had slavery right here in America 150 years ago.

This new Afghan law is cruel and abhorrent.
But I am very happy President Obama has enough wisdom to NOT allow such disgusting law to sidetrack America from its al Queda focus. This anti-women law can and probably will be amended, but now is not the time to back off al Queda.
America was sidetracked for the past 6-years in Iraq. Yes, this anti-woman law is repugnant and repulsive, but America does not need to get sidetracked again.

Obama needs to tell The Mayor of Kabul Karzai, if thats the law you are going to live by we are pulling all our troops out. Putting acid in women’s eyes. When are these people going come into the twentieth century much less the twenty first?

Mr. Obama is getting very predictable. Something in the news that people is showing outrage. A day or two later, Mr. Obama would make a statement, “I am outrageous with what happens; we should work together.” Then a few weeks later, nothing is accomplished and everything is forgotten then another outrageous story capture the media attention, then the cycle begins again.

That’s because all Obama has are “words, just words.”
Most of us already know that Obama’s words are not worth anything.

Until governments figure out that you have to separate religion from governing you will continue to see situations like the one in Afghanistan. Bush may have messed up but his basic idea was correct. A thriving democracy in Iraq would be a great model for other nations in the area. The problem is that these countries, including Iraq, cannot force themselves to separate religion from government. Get the Taliban and get out and continue to help Iraq form some sort of democracy.

I am very glad President Obama has the wisdom to limit his mission in Afghanistan to something definable and just possibly, achievable. We cannot really change the social customs and Dark Ages religious mentality of people who have no other frame of reference, and are totally brainwashed by their trusted leaders. The hope might come in the next generation, or the one after that, as the world grows inevitabley smaller and more intertwined. Some young Afghans may observe that we are not their enemy. they may have to quietly file away that impression until they reach their own adulthood. Very slowly, we can hope for change. Until then, we can be grateful for the blessings of a free country, where mothers, sisters, daughters, wives, friends and lovers are encouraged to reach for their own fulfillment, and respected for their own contributions to society.

POSTED BY COMMONSENSE:
“So yes. We should most definitely interfer if necessary on such a law that so willingly and openly supresses and harms women”.
“I understand the statement and concerns on such action, but to do nothing would in my opinion be worse than the consequence of doing something.”
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Dear Commonsense,
Your logic sounds noble but is not WISE. Also, your assumption is that President Obama is doing nothing regarding that anti-woman law. This is flat out wrong! You need to pay attention!
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This repulsive and disgusting law is primarily supported by Taliban extremist. The Taliban pushed this law to sow seeds of division between pro-President Hamid Karzai supporters and pro-Taliban supporters, with hopes that the Afghan men will vote Hamid out-of-office if he oppose the new law. With Karzai out of office, a candidate more sympathetic to Taliban and al Queda will win. COMMONSENSE, IS THIS WHAT YOU REALLY WANT FOR THE WOMEN OF AFGHANISTAN; IS FOR THE TALIBAN TO BE IN-CHARGE AND THEREBY SEND WOMEN FURTHER BACK TO THE STONE AGE?
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President Obama is providing “ACTION” for Afghan women that will help lead to the elimination of this law. Again Commonsense, you lack the wisdom to see further down the road.
Obama’s “ACTION” (as oppose to IN-ACTION) is in the form of helping Hamid Karzai to root out al Queda and those Taliban extremist that harbor al Queda members. With al Queda eliminated and Taliban extremist neutralized, Hamid Karzai can eliminate laws that treat Afghan women as second-class citizens.
DON’T FORGET = = Commonsense is a good thing, BUT WISDOM is a far better jewel.
May GOD Bless the United States of America!
May GOD Bless the “Obama-Biden-Clinton-Gates” Leadership Team!

Think about it. Judging by him committing more troops to Afghanistan with no clear purpose, not to free its people, advance womens rights and democracy, not to stop the flow and growing of opium. Obama appears to be George Bush in blackface military policy-wise but without showing good judgement, insulting us, not promoting freedom and democracy to Afghanistan & acting like U.S. President and statesman should. He is saying we want to deny Al-Qaeda and the Taliban safe-haven but its ok if Afghan citizens rape their wives. We arent here to free them like G.W. Bush would. I’m just Obama dont you just love me Europe and NATO? Obama what a humanitarian. What a joke!

As long as Islam exists in militant form, it is a danger to freedom — anywhere.

Janet – Oh yes the MSM should latch on to this latest right wing talking point and report it widely. There’s so many of them – how can they keep up?
btw – do you think Odinga and Pastor Muthee hang out together?

To the poster who said the Afghans would never have allowed laws mistreating women to be passed under President Bush, who are you kidding? The radical Muslim view of women is rooted in oppression that has taken place for a millenium. This has never been an “enlightened” society. President Bush made limited headway with the politicians he had placed in power. Behind the scenes, the abuses and “honor killings” continued unchecked. To blame Obama for not wanting to beat our collective heads against a stone wall, costing untold lives that might not have to be lost, is to fly in the face of reason, just to spite our president, and to undermine the real and necessary mission in Afghanistan.

Hmmm, is ‘zat so????
How ’bout ACORN?
ROFLMAO!
The only “pants on fire” are Obama’s. Don’t stand too close to him – yours might catch on fire too.

How ’bout ACORN?
ROFLMAO!
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Acorn – the right winger boogyman – You said it best
ROFLMAO!

“Acorn – the right winger boogyman – You said it best
ROFLMAO!”
Um, I am no right winger.
However, I am glad you are laughing with me. Prepare to laugh some more in the coming months. We will be sharing much more with you and it won’t be nonsense. :D

We must bring an end to “Manifest Destiny” in countries that don’t want to be Christianized, or have numerous versions of Christian faiths bombard countries just to mandate “Manifest Destiny”. Americans pushed Manifest Destiny onto native Indians, and anyone who came into American paths in the growth of America. American women of the New Frontier wanted to give manners lessons as well as teach Christian religion to those who were different.
There are reasons for multiculturalism in the world. God did not make us one of a kind, but made us in His likeness, meaning in His Spirit, not looks, not religion, not faith, but in His goodness. Christians aren’t the only ones who are “good”. There are many great people in all religions, countries, and cultures, therefore, we must be willing to respect other religions and cultures in their respective regions and countries.
As we took measures in America to bring change for women’s rights, women in other countries have the same rights to challenge their laws as well, if they so choose. Are there risks, yes many. If these cultures want to make changes, they will do so for their own freedoms, not placed upon them by other countries.

commonsense, since the beginning of time human beings have been considered food to cultures. In the days of the Vikings, if they didn’t like someone, that person or those persons were dinner that night. This practice continues in some countries and cultures in the 21st century — it’s reality. Fortunately in civilized America, it’s forbidden.

Obama is right once again. We are not there to impose Western values in Afghanistan. Nor are we there drag Afghanistan kicking and screaming into the 21st century. We are there to prevent Afghanistan from returning to a haven and training ground for terrists wishing to attack the US and other countries around the world. We can offer non-military assistance to increase their economic and governmental infrastructure, and provide alternatives to growing poppies and narco-trafficking.

Islam isn’t the problem but extremist in any form is — extreme Christianity and extreme Islam are the very same — religions of control and hatred towards others who are different.

obamaisbad4u, what did Bush.Cheney do about all the American women who were stolen and sold in human traffic for sex and drugs during their reign? What about the young woman who lived in Italy who was killed? What about the Alabama high school senior who was stolen? How many run aways in Las Vegas and LA become in that number, all under Bush.Cheney’s reign? How many? The numbers were staggering.

Yet North Korea starves their people, while blustering and threatening for concessions from the world. Whom will we first take to task?

Nick, if you know anything about strategies, you will know that we mix it up — sometimes zone, and sometimes man to man. Always find out the opponents’ weakness, and play only to win against the weakness. Wear down the opponent. America only has one option — win on all fronts. It’s all mental, physical, and spiritual.

As in the movies Home Alone, Kevin says before the house crooks invade his abodes “Don’t get scared now”. As women were left to continue the needs of the homestead in the “old West”, women had to say to themselves and their children “Don’t get scared now”. They had to be tough and lead their families with unbelieveable strengths in their husband’s or man’s absence. These same strengths were seen in women during WWI and WWII. Women must realize that standing up, being strong, and utilizing mental, physical, and spiritual strengths are very feminine. Being weak isn’t an option. Being strong for the men in our lives assists them in knowing they can be stronger, better, and do the right things without worrying about any weaknesses in us. Strong women make strong men. Let’s work together in building greatness and getting the jobs at hand done. Winning is our only option.

this is treating women as slaves. this law is horrible, I hope the Afghan men will stop oppressing women.

Mr.Obama, I think you had better pay attention to North Korea rather than worry about Afghan women covering their faces.

Messing in politics and cultures is not the business of any president!!! It certainly is not in the best interests of Obama to interfer in this matter even though it’s unacceptable to our beliefs. Better he should pay attention to matters affecting US security and also focus on the good that Americans do rather than insult them in a world-wide speech!!

You guys are crazy to not say Afghanistan should be a free democracy and we are trying to stop Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda is an ‘idea’ we may have stopped what the Nazi’s were doing but arent there still neo-nazi’s all over the world to this day? Why let give these people the right to rape their wives and grow and ship us heroin unless the USA/CIA has a hand in it? Dont you think Al-Qaeda makes money from the opium they grow in Afghanistan its 90% of their gross national product for God sake! Why dont those people deserve to be free? We set up Karzai as their government. We did. The USA. You can say George Bush didnt help this one or that one but guess what hes not in charge anymore! Obama is! This is North Korea and Afghanistan testing the waters to see what they can get away with they know Obama is being too politically correct to other countries and tied to it.

A good point was made earlier: Did we go to Afghanistan to root out al Queda that was being protected by the Taliban or, did we go there to give women rights and change their laws?