By Caitlin Taylor

Apr 10, 2009 7:56am

Rove: Biden is a “Liar”

ABC News’ Rick Klein reports: The sniping between the Bush and Obama White Houses is taking a significantly sharper tone, with former Bush adviser Karl Rove calling Vice President Joe Biden a “liar” in a television interview. “I hate to say this, but he’s a serial exaggerator,” Rove told Fox News on Thursday. “If I was being unkind I would say ‘liar.’ But it is a habit he ought to drop.”  “You should not exaggerate and lie like this when you are the Vice President of the United States,” he added. Rove was referring to recent comments by Biden on CNN, where the vice president recalled an incident he said occurred while George W. Bush was president. “I remember President Bush saying to me one time in the Oval Office,” Biden began, ” ‘Well, Joe,’ he said, ‘I’m a leader.’ And I said: ‘Mr. President, turn and around look behind you. No one is following.’ ” Rove said Biden made the exchange up. “It didn’t happen," he said. "It’s his imagination; it’s a made-up, fictional world. . . . He ought to get out of it and get back to reality . . . He’s making this up out of whole cloth.” Rove also questioned a claim Biden made in a 2006 interview, where he said that he had spent “a lot of hours alone with” President Bush. “Joe Biden was never alone with the president for more than few moments,” Rove told Fox. “There was staff in the room the whole time.” Biden spokesman Jay Carney told Fox: “The vice president stands by his remarks.” Rove’s account is being backed up by former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer, who said he reviewed notes of Bush’s White House meetings with Biden before talking to Fox about the exchanges. “I never recall Biden saying any of that,” Fleischer said. “I find it odd that he said he met with him alone all the time. I don’t think that’s true.”  UPDATE: ABC’s Matthew Jaffe, who covered the Biden vice-presidential campaign for ABC, reminds us that Biden told the same story regularly on the trail.

In October, he said in Missouri: "President Bush once said to me in the Oval Office, he said ‘Well, at least I’m leading.’ . . . And I said ‘Mr. President, look behind you, I don’t see anybody following you.’ So folks, you can’t lead if people do not follow. And Barack Obama is a leader."

User Comments

So nice to see Rove acting as a true patriot, ignoring the differences in ideology and supporting our new president!
Oh, wait…
http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | April 10, 2009, 8:05 am 8:05 am

Rove needs to shut the hell up.

Posted by: Sara | April 10, 2009, 8:08 am 8:08 am

Truth is the truth…Biden and BHO have no religion, therefore no morals, they lie just like all politicans….support our new president, not if you don’t agree with him..patriot….ha paying higher taxes does not make a patriot…look the word up in the dictionary before you start using it.

Posted by: beau | April 10, 2009, 8:11 am 8:11 am

Rove calling anyone a liar…HA HA HA HA HA

Posted by: jim | April 10, 2009, 8:11 am 8:11 am

Biden is a LIAR!And so is Obama so what’s the big deal?

Posted by: IMPEACHOBAMA | April 10, 2009, 8:31 am 8:31 am

Carl Rove calling someone else a liar…what a hoot! These noecons live in a distorted fantasyland.

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 8:34 am 8:34 am

Hey Sara…..do you make more than a quarter of a million per year? Problly not! So guess what…your taxes will go down under Obama. Stop spreading conservative lies. If you are going to post something, you should really post things you can back up instead of GOP talking points. In case you didn’t get the memo, I’ll share with you: the days you tells lies for the truth and aren’t called out on it are OVER!

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 8:37 am 8:37 am

The pot calls the kettle black.

Posted by: wehadbetterwakeup | April 10, 2009, 8:38 am 8:38 am

Hey liberls!! Your favorite day of the year is comeing up. April 15th.The conservative’s will have to wait for there favorite day of the year 4th July.

Posted by: Mike | April 10, 2009, 8:38 am 8:38 am

Oh yes, Sara, one more thing. Do you consider yourself a moral person? Sure you do….so why do you post lies. Biden and Obama have no religion? That’s a LIE!!!!!! Stop this verbal diarrhea!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 8:39 am 8:39 am

Sorry, those posts were directed at Beau…sorry Sara

Posted by: hakroi | April 10, 2009, 8:40 am 8:40 am

I find it interesting that those criticizing Rove here…..that’s all you are doing. Attacking the messenger, not the message.
Is there any truth to the fact that Biden is a serial liar? You don’t care…you would prefer to crucify the Rove because you don’t like him. Whether Rove is an angel or a demon, it doesn’t change the fact that he could be dead right or dead wrong on any particular issue. Attacking him instead of the message either means you have no ammo to attack the message or you are too incompetent to do so.

Posted by: John | April 10, 2009, 8:43 am 8:43 am

Biden is a huge liability to Obama. He can’t open his mouth without either lying or saying something incredibly stupid. I saw this on another site and someone commented that Obama picked Biden so that people would pray for Obama’s health.

Posted by: Amy | April 10, 2009, 8:43 am 8:43 am

Beau, you’re a fool. Morals don’t descend from religion. Religion gives us a framework for morals. And Biden is Catholic while Obama is protestant. And unless you’re a millionaire YOU are not paying higher taxes, but lower taxes. Kindly shut up, you moron.

Posted by: Beau is an idiot | April 10, 2009, 8:44 am 8:44 am

IMPEACHOBAMA, are you still giving tea bagging demonstrations in Atlanta??Hannity is counting on you to tea bag him for at least 30 minutes, or whatever comes first. We are planning on tea bagging Rick Perry here in Texas…it’s gonna be DELICIOUS!! We have a lottery and will draw which one of us gets to go first. Rove has bought 1000 tickets, so we think he will get first dibs with Perry.

Posted by: TeaBagging Texas | April 10, 2009, 8:45 am 8:45 am

John, when it’s one man’s word against another, ALL YOU HAVE IS the credibility of the people involved. With Biden you have rumors. With Rove you have a piece of garbage who’s been discredited already (ahem… Valerie Plame)… Therefore, your argument is garbage.

Posted by: Not John | April 10, 2009, 8:47 am 8:47 am

Biden is a bumbling idiot that can only talk by sticking both feet in his mouth at the same time. FACT.
Rove is hated by the left. The left blames him alone for getting Bush elected, twice. FACT.
So Biden claims to have yelled at Bush and nobody, I mean nobody else from the Bush Administration heard about it. Yeah right. Show us the audio Biden. Show us the video. As you found out yesterday, a president can’t even talk by a swingset without it being documented.
Where is your proof. Put up or shut up. Biden, YOU are causing political divide in this country with your partisan hackish antics.

Posted by: Kate | April 10, 2009, 8:50 am 8:50 am

Rove is not noted for exact honesty. Don’t all of you wish that politics would be honest and courteous and stop all of this stupid bickering. Our nation needs help, not Democrats or Republicans. We need to work together to get out of this mess.
What we need is a strong third party to give us a better choice than what we have at present.

Posted by: Sue | April 10, 2009, 8:51 am 8:51 am

Doesn’t really matter who called Biden a liar — he is. Biden always has these “cute” smart alek statements and they are never true. He makes stuff up to make himself look good and it always backfires. Like being shot down in Afghanistan. Like plagiarizing his campaign speech a few years ago. He’s well established himself as a liar. It’s just another “got a three letter word for you: J O B S” moment for that moron Joe Biden.

Posted by: Texas Libertarian | April 10, 2009, 8:52 am 8:52 am

So ole “Executive Priviledge” is calling Biden a liar. Talk about the pot calling the kettle. The Republicans need to distance themselves from Rove, Palin and all these other knuckleheads before they will have any chance of fixing itself. (But they wont of course.)

Posted by: CAW | April 10, 2009, 8:52 am 8:52 am

Mike, I pose the same question to you…do you make more than a quarter of a mill per year? If no…your taxes decrease under Obama. It’s not the fault of Liberals that you support the party of for and by the reich…I mean rich. It’s not the fault of liberals you’ve been brainwashed by conservative fascists. The fourth of July…Liberals understand what that means. We have more patriotism in our little toes than in your entire conservative carcus. We aren’t the ones who supported the treasonous Bush. Let’s see: you supported totrute, you supported illegal war based on NOTHING but lies, you supported the shredding of the Constitution….Liberals hold dear all articles not just the fourth, you supported spying on Americans. So don’t start your harping about a President who understands and defends the Constitution. Bush was a traitor! If you supported this war criminal, I question your not only your patriotism, but your sanity! Just go to your pathetic little girls tea party and shut talk some more smack with the peanut gallery.

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 8:54 am 8:54 am

The libs are attacking Rove but they and all of us should be worried about Bidens mental state. The first time I saw him make that comment Flags went up. It was like a little kid telling a lie and everyone knew it was a lie but no one wanted to say “come on little joey it is not nice to make things up”. And this is the VP of this country and could end up being president, very scary.

Posted by: billy bob | April 10, 2009, 8:54 am 8:54 am

Well, it takes one to know one!

Posted by: BachisBest | April 10, 2009, 8:54 am 8:54 am

Sara: I am a Chiistian, but I ground my opinion in reality. Just consider your assertion that: no religion=no morals. Can you back that up? In my experience there are many, many very ethical agnostics, freethinkers, and unbeilievers. Yes, they have rejected the grace of Christ, and so will be judged for what they do, but goes to their religious status, not their ethical status. You will never argue someone to your point of view if when they read your comments they find you not credible because you make overbroad assertions and come accross as full of needless anger.

Posted by: gloria | April 10, 2009, 8:55 am 8:55 am

Last time I checked the record, Karl Rove had a longer list of “whopper” lies than Biden. Now he’s added hypocrisy to the list, not that that wasn’t already strongly present.

Posted by: Kellybelle22 | April 10, 2009, 8:56 am 8:56 am

Is any big liar than the Bush Administration including Rove himself for going to Iraq war?????
Rove better think first, before lip-ping up!!!!!

Posted by: RST | April 10, 2009, 8:58 am 8:58 am

Hakori You are wrong about your taxes decreasing with Obama. First he let Bush’s tax cut lapse and second, as soon as his cap and trade tax goes into effect you will be paying a lot more in taxes than you are now. You have been scammed.

Posted by: billy bob | April 10, 2009, 8:59 am 8:59 am

What difference does it make? All politicians are rotten, filthy, putrid, and disgusting habitual liars. Some things will never change. Wash, rinse, repeat…

Posted by: Robert | April 10, 2009, 9:00 am 9:00 am

Consider the source. Rove is a pasty, fat pig. What is interesting is that he, cheney, and the rest f “their kind” (moronic repukelican imbeciles) actually still think we care what they do or say. The bottom line is they are old, irrelevant hacks and nobody gives a flip about what they think. If people (and these freaks aren’t people – they are roach like insects) can’t be part of the team and part of the solution they need to shut up and get out of the way so we can straighten their mess out!

Posted by: durrs | April 10, 2009, 9:01 am 9:01 am

There is already a political divide. THe right, who blames the left for everything wrong in the country & vice versa. Both sides are also resistant to compromise etc. especially the right.

Posted by: STO | April 10, 2009, 9:01 am 9:01 am

LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE.

Posted by: billy bob | April 10, 2009, 9:01 am 9:01 am

Hakori, I don’t call $13 a significant tax advantage. And on the matter of Bush’s shredding of the Constitution, Obama has gone on record as saying that the Constitution is an old document that does not apply now and should be changed dramatically if kept at all. Give him time; he’s working very hard to put his agenda in place. If you love the principles that this nation was founded on – personal responsibility, freedom to pursue business unhindered by punitive taxes, personal charity to others, national security – then you should be wary of Obama. Bush is gone. Worry about now.

Posted by: Amy | April 10, 2009, 9:02 am 9:02 am

Biden dreams it therefore it MUST have happened.

Posted by: Mark | April 10, 2009, 9:02 am 9:02 am

Posted by: Eric | April 10, 2009, 9:02 am 9:02 am

Rove the biggest liar(No we don’t torture) is like having Mike Vick as spokesman for the Humain Society.

Posted by: E.R. Meddows | April 10, 2009, 9:03 am 9:03 am

OH That Joe! No. 257 in a series.
It seems that someone has a long history of sticking his feet in his mouth.

Posted by: Joe act like a veep | April 10, 2009, 9:03 am 9:03 am

Rove is a well known LIAR. Nothing he says can be believed….except by those who think Bush is a “leader”. Hahaha!

Posted by: leftyintexas | April 10, 2009, 9:04 am 9:04 am

Actually it isn’t the word of one vs the other. If anyone beleives that Biden would have been along with Bush, they need to have their head examined. There would always be staffers or other senators there as well. Biden wasn’t that important.
As far as taxes going down under Obama…I’m assuming you are believe his BS about taxes going down for 95% of working families…even though that is statistically impossible. Obama raised taxes on cigs, wants to tax energy, wants windfall taxes on oil companies and other large corporations. Taxes on any of these will get passed to the consumer. So, Obama might be clever in how he phrases things so that morons beleive him, but at the end of the day….he is a liar.

Posted by: John | April 10, 2009, 9:04 am 9:04 am

The repubs can say whatever they want and use whatever names – The fact is, the whole country, and in fact, the rest of the world knows what Cheney, Rove and Limbaugh are, and they are considered lower than the dirt in a pigsty. Ask anyone of them to stroll out in any area of the free world, whether east or west, and they would be cursed at, spit upon or have more shoes thrown at them. They can remain prisoners in the US, for they dare not venture any place outside. This is what they are looked upon, regardless of their name-calling. All their lies have come home to roost and the more is said, the worst off they are.

Posted by: Karen | April 10, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am

Biden has been proven to be a pathological liar.
This is nothing new, he has been caught many times over.
I dated someone like him they are big story tellers which include many, many lies.

Posted by: Jane | April 10, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am

What most of you seem to be saying that are defending Biden is “hey, your guy lied, so it’s OK for our guy to lie, too”.
Newsflash: Rove wasn’t VP and his lies weren’t OK. Biden’s lies aren’t OK.
Maybe it’s just me, but our elected officials should be able to make statements without resorting to childish made-up stories. And everyone should be worried about Biden and his lies.

Posted by: Texas Libertarian | April 10, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am

Wasn’t it Joe Biden that in 1988 plagarized a story of someone elses life and played it off like it was his own. Yeah thats him and no he is a completely honest man and always has been. Playing someone elses life as your own is kind of weird and sick in my mind, only a serial liar would do such a thing.

Posted by: Eric | April 10, 2009, 9:06 am 9:06 am

Well Joe is lied so what the democrats are famous for it and the followers dont care. Its all just a bunch of words since they dont understand anything but whats fed to them by hatred. Democrats are the largest hate speech hate group there is an yet they never get arrested. When they brought down death threats on AIG employees did anyone get arrested? No because democrats did it. Here is my suggestion we abolish all political parties. NO more parties. Then we can truely judge people by the content of the character instead of their party logo. ABOLISH all parties NOW.

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:06 am 9:06 am

Yes, yes, the pot called the kettle black they are politicians after all…but the fact is that Joe Biden seems to have diarrhea of the mouth, is he feeling left out so he has to say something to get his face on the news. If he would just STHU there would be no need for a counter punch…Joe just needs to hibernate like Cheney did for the longest time…

Posted by: samhiguchi | April 10, 2009, 9:06 am 9:06 am

All you libs – still attacking the messenger but not the message. We know you hate all things Bush…
but do you beleive what Biden said here? That is the point of the article. I guess if you can’t argue that then just crucify the messenger.

Posted by: John | April 10, 2009, 9:07 am 9:07 am

HARKI>>>>
I’ll share with you: the days you tells lies for the truth and aren’t called out on it are OVER>>>> ALL you have been getting for months have been lies. Didnt you get the memo?

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:07 am 9:07 am

I 100% believe Karl Rove. Joe Biden has been lying for years and years. He just doesn’t know when to shut up. Biden doesn’t know the truth. My guess BO will change VP’s during his next run. Why would he want this man to stand beside him? He is a LIAR LIAR LIAR. This HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RIGHT OR LEFT. It has to do with the TRUTH. Not executive privilege nothing but the truth which Biden swore on the Bible to tell. He is dipicable and should not be a VP when he can’t tell the truth on simple matters!!!!!

Posted by: Linda | April 10, 2009, 9:08 am 9:08 am

Hey Rove, project much?

Posted by: cat | April 10, 2009, 9:08 am 9:08 am

There is already a political divide. THe right, who blames the left for everything wrong in the country & vice versa. Both sides are also resistant to compromise etc. especially the right.
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The problem is that you have 23% of the public demanding that the other 77% do what they say. The political divide belongs with the 23%, not with the rest of us.

Posted by: Thinking | April 10, 2009, 9:08 am 9:08 am

Rove is an animal. But he is probably telling the truth about Biden.
Biden has never talked Bush down. He knows this, but yet again he puts his foot in his mouth.
Trust me when I say that the first REAL hit that Obama takes in his administration is going to come from something this idiot says….

Posted by: opedanderson | April 10, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am

Lol. The repugs are in a circular firing squad.

Posted by: HellsEye | April 10, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am

Eric, you guys are sooooo lucky to have Bill Cunningham to teabag!! Bet he loves it! You know those old grumpy right wing radio perverts just love teabagging! We heard that the organizers (NRA, Heritage Soc., etc.) are asking you guys in Cinci to bring a covered dish.

Posted by: TeaBagging Texas | April 10, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am

Mike…you communicate like most Repubs I’ve come across. No wonder you call the rest of the country “elitists”! Rove would be proud of you.

Posted by: leftyintexas | April 10, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am

Kate…you should really think before you accuse people of putting both feet in their mouths. Do you remember your bumbling bufoon boy president Bush. You remember, the one who won one election and was appointed to his postition by five justices of the Supreme Court back in 2000….FACT…GORE WON FLORIDA…FACT!!!!!!!!!!!! And if you are so into facts….HAHAHAH….a conservative into facts….DOUBLE HAHAHAHA! Like I said, if you are so into facts get your facts straight at least on something as simple as the body of this article. The article says he told bush to look behind him: no one is following. The article doesn’t say Biden yelled at bush. You can’t even get this right. Don’t talk to us about facts when you fell hook line and sinker for the fabricated lies bush used to lie us into war. The problem with you conservatives is you have horrible judgement. You believe whatever you conservative leaders tell you even when it’s an obvious lie. That’s the big difference between thinking people and conservatives: we question! We question not only conservative leaders but also liberal ones when crap comes out of their mouths. You conservatives NEVER question your leaders. You’re lemmings that would gladly go over the cliff for your “leaders”. Just go to your litte tea party and SHUT UP!

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 9:11 am 9:11 am

Thinking<<<<<
The problem is that you have 23% of the public demanding that the other 77% do what they say. The political divide belongs with the 23%, not with the rest of us.<<<<<
If you went issue by issue I think there is far more divide than unity. Divide is based on individual beliefs and those have been eroded by continual lies and distortions about history.
Just Thinking.

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:12 am 9:12 am

I bet tat even Obama whishs he had picked Sarah Palin as his Vice-President.

Posted by: we_are_not_amused | April 10, 2009, 9:12 am 9:12 am

“The fact is, the whole country, and in fact, the rest of the world knows what Cheney, Rove and Limbaugh are, and they are considered lower than the dirt in a pigsty.”
I see we have another liar: Karen.
Karen, I, along with 23 million other people in this country, like Limbaugh. You lied. But it’s OK — you are a lib and it’s what you do.
Hint, Karen: back up your statements with some actual facts, leave your emotion out of it. Try something new for a change.

Posted by: Texas Libertarian | April 10, 2009, 9:13 am 9:13 am

Hey Linda and anderson, how come rove and fleischer didnt say this last year?

Posted by: Hellseye | April 10, 2009, 9:13 am 9:13 am

John….just stop with your hypocritcal bs. Imagine that, a conservative hypocrite…oh I forgot. You’re all hypocites. In fact, hypocisy is part of the GOP platform is it not.

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 9:14 am 9:14 am

Kill the messenger libs. I cannot imagine this country being run by Joe Biden. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Posted by: billy bob | April 10, 2009, 9:14 am 9:14 am

What was Obama thinking when he picked biden. I guess it was just another “bonehead mistake”.

Posted by: billy bob | April 10, 2009, 9:16 am 9:16 am

Only a total fool would believe anything that dribbled out of roves yapper. Have we learned nothing in the 8 dismal years of bush presidency folks? Why is this even making news?

Posted by: Fools Believe Rove | April 10, 2009, 9:17 am 9:17 am

Only a total fool would believe anything that dribbled out of roves yapper. Have we learned nothing in the 8 dismal years of bush presidency folks? Why is this even making news?

Posted by: Fools Believe Rove | April 10, 2009, 9:17 am 9:17 am

2000….FACT…GORE WON >>>>
This is the ramblings of a person who isnt connected with reality. Gore lost because we are a republic not a populist country. Each state has such different needs that to be a populist country would be bad. Next, is the fact that your anger is misplaced in history and not in present day events. Are you ready to tax your childrens, childrens, children for an economy that is recovering on its own?
The stimulus money has not hit the street yet and the economy is recovering. What you need is to stop being a hater, basher and get connected with today

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:17 am 9:17 am

Obama the Chia pet head president, is the biggest LIAR, he now ask for 83 billion dollars for a war he voted against 2 years ago
And now bows to a Saudi king, his master

Posted by: Obama cabinet of corruption featuring TURBOTAX TIMMY | April 10, 2009, 9:17 am 9:17 am

Stand Up Chuck… Stand Up

Posted by: Obama cabinet of corruption featuring TURBOTAX TIMMY | April 10, 2009, 9:18 am 9:18 am

“So folks, you can’t lead if people do not follow. And Barack Obama is a leader.”
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Yes, but the VP forgot to mention that the language of his followers is sheep speak :)

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am

billy bob wrote: “Be afraid, be very afraid”.
You NeoCons are such wuzzies. Always afraid….dumb nutzs

Posted by: Trent | April 10, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am

billy bob ………………no bubba YOU ARE WRONG! Why do you people side with the party of the rich when you’re not rich!? Yes your taxes will decrease under Obama if you make less than 250,000 per year. You really should do some fact checking. And if you haven’t noticed, trickle down didn’t work! All the bs you people push about we have to give the rich huge tax cuts because they create the jobs is BS! Well, I guess if you count the jobs they ship overseas you’re right. They do create jobs…for foreigners! YOU”VE BEEN BRAINWASHED! But that’s an inherent quailty you conservatives have. Don’t blame us for your shortcomings!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am

Still can’t believe Obama picked Biden. There were so many others to choose from that wouldn’t cause all this embarrassment.

Posted by: TEX | April 10, 2009, 9:20 am 9:20 am

Fools Believe Rove >> WOW the democratic fact machine is out in force. Slander is the only facts they can provide. Nonsense you all know Biden is a loose cannon and almost sunk Obama more than once. In fact he did tell the truth about Obama being a socialist.

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:20 am 9:20 am

“Eric, you guys are sooooo lucky to have Bill Cunningham to teabag!! Bet he loves it! You know those old grumpy right wing radio perverts just love teabagging! We heard that the organizers (NRA, Heritage Soc., etc.) are asking you guys in Cinci to bring a covered dish.”……………………
>>>>>>Just another uneducated suck from the teet of the U.S. government. Poor begger can’t make it on his own. Call me names and whatever, but is it too much to ask for the government to let me keep my own money that I work hard for. Maybe I will decide not to in the future and they won’t have any of my money to throw around to worthless lazy losers. I like to help those that truely need it, but not those that suck the teet all day long.

Posted by: Eric | April 10, 2009, 9:20 am 9:20 am

I would think had Biden said this it would have came out before he mentioned it in the interview. But regardless, Biden appears, again as seems to be his habit, to try and make himself look big while making someone else look small. As Vice President Biden should not be engaging in such petty nonsense.

Posted by: david | April 10, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am

LMFAO
c’mon Rove is a POS … end of discussion. ANyone who even supports Rove Cheney or Bush deserves to be ____

Posted by: Flip Floppin | April 10, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am

hakori >>> Yes the democrats who have given 100′s of BILLIONS to Wall Street but wont give a nickel to GM without severe restrictions. Thats the new Democratic party, The party of Bankers and Wall Street.

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am

John….just stop with your hypocritcal bs. Imagine that, a conservative hypocrite…oh I forgot. You’re all hypocites. In fact, hypocisy is part of the GOP platform is it not.
Posted by: hakori | Apr
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Speaking of hypocrisy, didn’t Obama run on a platform of fiscal responsibility, yet has out-spent the Bush administration in only two months? All I can say to those on the left that speak of hypocrisy is BAA.

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 9:22 am 9:22 am

Amy…….HOW DARE YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION! Bush shredded it and YOU supported it!! Yes BUSH is gone, and hopefully he’ll eventually do time for his crimes. You’re a partisan hack…NOTHING MORE! I don’t need to be lectured by someone who doesn’t even know what it means to be an American! I didn’t support the policies of a treasonous president..YOU DID!

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am

“Only a total fool would believe anything that dribbled out of roves yapper.”
Replace roves (sic) with Biden’s and your statement has some merit. This story is about BIDEN and his lie.

Posted by: Texas Libertarian | April 10, 2009, 9:24 am 9:24 am

Joe Biden once again sticks foot in mouth. I don’t know about serial liar but he is a blowhard. He wants the center of attention all of the time. He has the typical big mouth mentality and just can’t keep his mouth shut. He is also a kiss a__ of the 1st degree so if anyone thinks he was alone with Bush and said that kind of thing needs to buy a bridge. Perhaps Obuma could sell you one of the bridges repaired by illegal aliens.

Posted by: madvtr | April 10, 2009, 9:24 am 9:24 am

Hakori – thank you for proving my point. You attack me yet you don’t actually say anything…just I’m a hypocrite…not what I am saying that is incorrect or anything.
Still no lib on here has given anything to counter the point that Biden is a liar. Guess there isn’t any evidence to support that notion….
Conclusion – BIDEN IS A LIAR.

Posted by: John | April 10, 2009, 9:24 am 9:24 am

If you went issue by issue I think there is far more divide than unity. Divide is based on individual beliefs and those have been eroded by continual lies and distortions about history.
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Perhaps, but we do not go issue by issue. The fact is that some issues have higher priority then others and people are willing to give on some to gain on others. No I do not agree 100% with either party, it does not mean that I can’t get along.
The devide comes when one party acts like children who pout in the corner, stomp their feet, cross their arms, purse their lips, and scream no, I am not going to play untill I get my way. When I was a child even we children had enough sense to go ahead and play with out them.

Posted by: Thinking | April 10, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am

“Obama has gone on record as saying that the Constitution is an old document that does not apply now and should be changed dramatically if kept at all.” THIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!! COMING FROM AN OUTRIGHT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 9:25 am 9:25 am

lets bust up the union and allow the producing people to move to where they can do the best and allow all the unproductive people to move to their spots. When New York City is kept afloat by the taxes of 40,000 people you still say the rich dont pay their share? What are you drinking? I cant wait till they leave in large numbers. That will be fun to watch. The collapse of New York and all its liberal views.
You regular joes will be left with 100% of the BILL which means HUGE tax increases.
Do you know the actuary table has been changed for taxes? It starts at zero now. So you are all paying more and didnt even notice.

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:26 am 9:26 am

HIS IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!!!!!!!!!!!! COMING FROM AN OUTRIGHT LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
hakori>>>> I heard the interview on radio. He did say this. Who is a liar now?

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Karl Rove looks like an enormous, oily, constipated chipmunk. He is so inspiring.

Posted by: euro.guy | April 10, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Amy…….HOW DARE YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT THE CONSTITUTION! Bush shredded it and YOU supported it!! Yes BUSH is gone, and hopefully he’ll eventually do time for his crimes. You’re a partisan hack…NOTHING MORE! I don’t need to be lectured by someone who doesn’t even know what it means to be an American! I didn’t support the policies of a treasonous president..YOU DID!
Posted by: Hakori | Apr 10, 2009
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Speaking of treasonous hacks, apparently you didn’t see of the coverage of the current Presidents European visit?

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am

ChicagBob …if you’r going to speak, at least do so in an manner that makes sense. Did you even read your post before you clicked “post”. If your thinking process is as muttled as your post, it’s uderstandable why you conservatives believe in your leaders lies so easily.

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Eric>>>>>>”Just another uneducated suck from the teet of the U.S. government”.
Gosh, I see you are fascinated with sucking. I know you will be the belle of the balls at your tea bagging little get together! Tell Bill that Rick Perry says “hey” when you tea bag him.

Posted by: Teabagging Texas | April 10, 2009, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Obama now bows to a Saudi king, his master >>>> Least now we know where he gets his orders from.

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Biden is a big windbag who is trying
to elevate himself as someone with
clout. He is a second rate wanna be.

Posted by: wis134 | April 10, 2009, 9:30 am 9:30 am

hakori Just remember one thing. In the near future you will go to fill up your car ang gas will be a lot higher than now but the cost of a barrel of oil has not changed. Think back to this day and remember “I told you so”. It is called “cap and trade tax” and it is comming to a fossile fuel source near you soon.

Posted by: billy bob | April 10, 2009, 9:32 am 9:32 am

hakori >>>. First we dont believe in the lies of our leaders. We toss them out and gladly. Unlike democrats who keep people like the cash in the refrigerator congressmen in office. Or keeping in Dodd who is obviously involved in pay to play. Your anger has blinded you to the failings of a party that is leading the country into a abyss. They are using your anger at the previous president to lead you into the abyss. You need to become more objective.

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Wow. No one cares about the poisonous, angry comments of a disposed administration. The country danced in the streets when they were disposed from office. We, the people, were tired of their venom and hatred. Now the phone isn’t ringing at all at their dens of retreat and they are lashing out in their hateful manner. Go away, Rove, Cheney and all the rest of the Evil Empire.

Posted by: Nelle | April 10, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am

Obama says there is no religion in the US because he is trying to create his own. Soon the left will be kneeling to his whims and calling him the great one and having there babies blessed by him. Joe Bidon will be the water boy for the babtismals.

Posted by: Jim Rod | April 10, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am

ChicagBob….sorry bozo. You really do need to do some fact checking and stop relying on your talking heads to do your thinking for you. All it takes is a simple google search. YES..GORE WON FLORIDA. He not only won the popular vote nationwide…do you dispute this too? He won the popular vote in FL when all the recounting was done. True it didn’t matter because five justices on the US SP had already made their decision, but GORE won the popular vote…PERIOD. I’m not the one who denys reality!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 9:34 am 9:34 am

ChicagBob “Obama now bows to a Saudi king, his master >>>> Least now we know where he gets his orders from”.
GW frenched kissed Bandar Bushie and held hands. Of course that’s okay cause we all know ALL NeoCons are A– kissing fools.

Posted by: Chuck | April 10, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am

John…BUSH, ROVE, CHENEY are also LIARS….. you can’t admit it can you!?

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Nelle >>> It doesn’t justify Joe trying to change history for his benefit does it? Joe has lied several times before. We are not talking about small lies. We are talking about complete fabrications. Doesn’t that make anything he says suspect?

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:37 am 9:37 am

Rove is a draft-dodging sack of lying crap who let another liar, Scooter Libby take the fall for him. Coward.

Posted by: Brother in Arms | April 10, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

I did not vote for Obama, but I will support him 100% because he is our President. I am giving him a chance. I did vote for Bush. I pray that nothing happens to Obama, because I a very afraid of what Joe Biden will do. I feel he is a liar. I bet Obama wishes he wasn’t his VP.

Posted by: blaze | April 10, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Come on….you know that Biden is a loon….

Posted by: h8thelies | April 10, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Rove is a god damned snake, and Biden needs to whack him over the head with a metaphorical shovel.

Posted by: dmx | April 10, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am

ChicagBob….sorry bozo. I’m not the one who denys reality!hakori >>>>Lets start with the facts. Does it matter now? Did you fight it then? What was the result? You lost right? Stop letting this anger control you and misguide you. The current administration is out of control and it will effect all of us. This is far more important than the past because its the present. You want to live in the past go ahead but it doesnt change whats happening now. Does it?

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am

The white house is a joke. They act like a bunch of high school kids putting on a play! Our boy an officer in the Marines. This is not good America – White House is in over their heads. They don’t understand and are acting like they are playing school. Makes me sick. And to bow and then lie like we are all blind.

Posted by: Fae | April 10, 2009, 9:40 am 9:40 am

for those that say Obama will not raise taxes on those making under 250K, I say that number changed during the campaign to 200k,125k and 75k so which is it. And if you don’t think the increase in energy costs due to cap and trade, or increases in corp tax rates that trickle down to consumers, or the cost of national healthcare is going to cost, then you don’t know a tax when you see it. Biden is a fool and we all know that. He said the stimulus most of which has not been delivered yet built a fire station that Bush funded. So Biden and Obama have been pretty sketchy when it comes to the truth.

Posted by: jschmidt | April 10, 2009, 9:41 am 9:41 am

Brother in Arms >> So your entire way of dealing with this is to generalize and call names. VERY mature. How about Obama is a muslim who was not born in the US.
There I made some stuff up you feel better?

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am

The biggest lie of all was telling the country that there were weapons of mass destruction to sell us a war. Didnt Bush call Rove his architect?

Posted by: Amanda | April 10, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am

I guess Rove would know where GWB was every moment since GWB had his head Rove’s butt every waking hour. Rove needs to crawl back his rock….that slime ball.

Posted by: indy_voter | April 10, 2009, 9:42 am 9:42 am

No John, we are not shooting the messenger. We’re shooting the guy is who shooting the messenger.

Posted by: godef | April 10, 2009, 9:43 am 9:43 am

Biden, like Obama(who lied about not taking a bow before the Saudi King), is a slick salesman.
The term “liar” is not inappropriate.

Posted by: ConstantXI | April 10, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am

“Ask anyone of them to stroll out in any area of the free world, whether east or west, and they would be cursed at, spit upon or have more shoes thrown at them”
Yes, Karen that is true. One thing I want Americans to take out of the last 8 years is that the rest of the world actually loves America and Americans. But the Bush regime brought war and conflict to our countries so we hated that administration.
The worst question bush ever said was “Why do they hate America”. ‘they’ never did hate america, they hated the white house. (I’m not talking about the evil scum who did 9/11, I’m talking about ‘the world’)

Posted by: dmx | April 10, 2009, 9:44 am 9:44 am

dmx Rove is a god damned snake, and Biden needs to whack him over the head with a metaphorical shovel. >>> Again with the mature generalized slander. OBAMA is a communist and is in league with the Chinese and bowed to the Saudi KING because he still a Muslim. I made those up and how do you feel about that? Those cheep shots are getting OLD. Biden has been on caught the record making up the truth many times before this. His creditability is ZERO

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Anyone with a brain knows rove is a fat manipulator and spin doctor….and he now tries to call the kettle black. What a dufus.

Posted by: godseyesore | April 10, 2009, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Kate: “Rove is hated by the left. The left blames him alone for getting Bush elected, twice. FACT.” Sooooo… is that anything to brag about?

Posted by: godef | April 10, 2009, 9:46 am 9:46 am

Karl Rove calling someone else a LIAR?
This man has a pair of”Kahuna’s”bigger than his belly.

Posted by: Johnathan Schoening | April 10, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Rove was involved in covering up the Plame affair. And it isnt name-calling to state the facts. Rove IS: 1) a liar, 2) a draft dodger, and 3) a coward. All facts.

Posted by: Brother in Arms | April 10, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am

ChicagBob….sorry bozo. You really do need to do some fact checking and stop relying on your talking heads to do your thinking for you. All it takes is a simple google search. YES..GORE WON FLORIDA. He not only won the popular vote nationwide…do you dispute this too? He won the popular vote in FL when all the recounting was done. True it didn’t matter because five justices on the US SP had already made their decision, but GORE won the popular vote…PERIOD. I’m not the one who denys reality!
Posted by: hakori | Apr
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Perhaps a google search of how the President of the U.S. is elected in in order. The President isn’t elected based on the number of votes he receives from the citizens, but from the number of electoral votes he gets from each state.

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 9:47 am 9:47 am

It’s comical to hear liberals defend Biden here.
The evidence just doesn’t matter, does it?
It’s not just Rove, but Ari Fleischer, who’s saying Biden is a liar.
And noone else seems to be able to verify what Biden has said.
Rove may not have told the truth at times but the only person supporting Biden here thus far is Biden(whose credibility as a past plagiarist is suspect).

Posted by: ConstantXI | April 10, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am

Rove was involved in covering up the Plame affair. And it isnt name-calling to state the facts. Rove IS: 1) a liar, 2) a draft dodger, and 3) a coward. All facts.
Posted by: Brother in Arms
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He must’ve taken draft doding lessons from Slick Willy :)

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am

I bet Obama cringes every time Biden opens his mouth. It is like the uncle that you have to put up with but wish you could stick a sock in his mouth.

Posted by: billy bob | April 10, 2009, 9:48 am 9:48 am

If ever the expression, “pot calling the kettle black” has been true, it is now. Rove is a liar, and he KNOWS it.

Posted by: Bogie | April 10, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am

dmx The worst question bush ever said was “Why do they hate America”. <<<<<< They hate up because we were a success we are powerful. We won the WWI, WWII and the cold war. They are jealous. Its not hatred. EVERYONE wants what we have. People from all over the world want to come here. I dont see long lines wanting to get into China or Russia or Cuba do you?

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Hearing this from Karl Rove is akin to the pot calling the kettle black. *L*
Karl, no one has missed you. Go crawl back under your rock.

Posted by: IndependentPatroit | April 10, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am

“pot calling the kettle black” has been true, it is now. Rove is a liar, and he KNOWS it. Bogie >>>> So the Vice President isnt trustworthy and you should not believe anything he says correct?

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:50 am 9:50 am

Given the obvious fact that nearly ALL politicians sometimes “exaggerate” to make a point, when you look at the overall work and reputation of the two men, for kindness, fairness and devotion to helping the little guy, I’ll have to go with Joe Biden any day. He’s not perfect, but he’s a very good guy.

Posted by: phoenix lady | April 10, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am

I agree, but that doesnt change the fact Rove is cowardly, scum-bucket of a liar. He was politically protected but should be in jail for treason.

Posted by: Brother in Arms | April 10, 2009, 9:51 am 9:51 am

Most politicians lie—but when onc of them calls another one a liar, that seems like high comedy to me.

Posted by: Margot | April 10, 2009, 9:52 am 9:52 am

Amen, Brother in Arms.

Posted by: IndependentPatroit | April 10, 2009, 9:53 am 9:53 am

Hakori: wow are you ignorant. The Bush tax cuts gave the middle and lower class (as long as you made enough to pay taxes) a 20% tax cut. So when Obama ends the Bush tax cut he will raise everyones taxes not just people making more than $250,000. You see Obama doesn’t see this as a lie because he says he’s going back to the taxes under Clinton not setting new taxes…but its a lie Obama will raise the middle classes taxes without a doubt…do some research for a change you won’t look like such a fool.

Posted by: mike | April 10, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am

Margot…. I agree. It is high comedy and in Rove’s case high treason, as well.

Posted by: IndependentPatroit | April 10, 2009, 9:54 am 9:54 am

IndependentPatroit >>> Though I dont miss him, I also dont want Biden to get away with making more stuff UP. I am tired of all the truth bending in the last few months. I thought all that stuff was over. Fact is, its worse than its ever been. Transparency? Waiting to vote after people could read a bill? Its all a pack of lies. How about resending Bushes ability to wire tap?

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am

This crap the right keeps pushing here about Obama and the “flawed” Constitution is just that……CRAP. Once again, the right lies through its teeth. And yes, half truths are just as much a lie and an outright lie. What Obama was refering to when he said the Constitution was “flawed” was that it allowed salvery to continue. This is the fact of the matter, so don’t buy conservative bs at face value. If you did a little deeper, you always find the root of their arguemnt is as rotten as their party! I’m sorry, but your lip service to the Constitution is just that. You sat by and cheered Bush as he shredded the Constitution, then you smear a man who actually understands what that document means to us as a nation. You are embarrasing yourselves and you don’t even know it. You people need to start using your atrophied minds before they completely wither away.

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am

“I agree, but that doesnt change the fact Rove is cowardly, scum-bucket of a liar. He was politically protected but should be in jail for treason.”
Posted by: Brother in Arms
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Brother in Arms, did you not watch either Biden or Obama during the campaign? Both men lied all throughout. This current administration told many lies. So wouldn’t that make them scum buckets as well?

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am

Rove was Bush’s brain–enough said.

Posted by: Vet in Houston | April 10, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am

Yeah, and after I told him he was a weak leader we agreed to an arm wrestling match where I dominated George Bush with my huge biceps.

Posted by: Brian | April 10, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am

Actually April 15 is my favorite day of the year, not because of taxes though it’s my birthday! :D I finally get to vote, it’s a bad idea for ROVE to call Biden a liar, dangerous grounds…

Posted by: Gluck4 | April 10, 2009, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Margot…. I agree. It is high comedy and in Rove’s case high treason, as well.
IndependentPatroit >>> How do you figure this? The Vice President is a liar and its been show over and over again. He is untrustworthy. Rove did nothing but call him on one of his many big lies.

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Rove helped perpetuate a lie that got my life nearly blasted apart over there. This article is about Rove, we ain’t talking about anybody else except THAT scum-bucket.

Posted by: Brother in Arms | April 10, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Maybe you hated Bush and Rove but at least they were up front with their agenda. Barack Obama has broken so many campaign promises and it isn’t even the first 100 days yet. Remember- no lobbyists were going to be in his administration? Not one? Remember the transparency we were going to have, with legislation posted on the internet before a vote? Then he and Pelosi and Co.jammed the largest spending bill ever down our throats without one legislator even READING it!!! So, all the Bush haters out there, at least he was who he was- not an underground socialist like Obama, who said whatever he had to say toget elected, and has never done a darn thing in his life. Also, I remember how the press crucified Dan Quayle for mispelling the word “potato”- and yet all the stupid things Biden has said and done go by without comment! At least he has had the sense to shut up lately and not stick his foot in his mouth again. I don’t doubt for a minute that he would make up a story like that about Bush, because he knows the media will cover for him.

Posted by: ja | April 10, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Rove is a “killer” literally ask his friends, the ones he hasn’t hunted with and shot dead that is lol.

Posted by: Hege! | April 10, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Karl Rove needs to go home and understand he is not in any type of authority anymore and hopefully never again. He is one of the idiots left over from Bush and is is becoming more rotten and needs to be put in the garbage. He needs to shut up and go away.
Bush is keeping his mouth shut, but maybe he is telling Rove what to say and it appears Bush is being quite.

Posted by: Flo Puryear | April 10, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am

mike …………I have done my fact check. Now you need to, but go somewhere that’s neutral. And yes the tax rates on the wealthy will go back to 1990′s levels….but not on people who make less than 250,000…..FACT! Why do you people continue to vote agaist your own self interests. What do you want….more of the last 8 years. Are you that stupid? Oh, yeah you are. I forgot!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 9:59 am 9:59 am

The only person who would know if Joe Biden really did say this to George Bush is George Bush. Karl Rove – were you within earshot of George Bush 24 hours a day, 7 days a week for the entire 8 years GB was President of the US? No I didn’t think so. The simple fact and truth is, you don’t know if Biden ever said that to Bush; the only thing you know is that you didn’t hear him say it. That makes you, Karl Rove, the liar.

Posted by: Hangfire | April 10, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am

ChicagoBob… I find Biden to a whimsical, less than accurate fellow. Rove and Cheney are simply outright liars and manipulators. Yes, the truth from all viewpoints would be refreshing and I’m waiting for the transparency, too.

Posted by: IndependentPatroit | April 10, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am

That’s right, Brother in Arms. Thank you for your service.

Posted by: Vet in Houston | April 10, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am

Biden lies all the time…he is known for putting his foot in his mouth and he’s done it again. There is a easy way to prove this…white house logs! Rove wouldn’t call him out if he didn’t know for sure… Remember Biden in the debates he just heads down to Katies Diner in Scranton to talk with the average men and women…oh woops Biden Katies closed 20 years ago…maybe he had this conversation with Bush at Katie’s Diner now that would make sense.

Posted by: Mike | April 10, 2009, 10:00 am 10:00 am

Hakori >>> no one cheered I can assure you. Everyone knew Bush chose a dangerous path. It was not the first time this path was taken by a president though. Let me ask you what has Obama done to undo this? I think he has kept all the wire tap and information gathering in place. Those were the most dangerous parts. I think the current president is paying more lip service that you realize.

Posted by: ChicagBob | April 10, 2009, 10:01 am 10:01 am

“Rove helped perpetuate a lie that got my life nearly blasted apart over there. This article is about Rove, we ain’t talking about anybody else except THAT scum-bucket.”
Posted by: Brother in Arms
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Brother, the minute you signed on the dotted line, you “VOLUNTEERED” to go over there at the Presidents whim, just as I did.

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am

ja …yes I am a proud Bush hater. You think that’s a bad thing? He was a dictator! But then again you types like that as long as the dictator is saying what you want to hear.

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am

ja…where the hell have you been? The Bush administration WAS NOT upfront about ANYTHING. They lied to this country in the biggest, most disgusting way possible and people died for it. Your kind should be sent out of this country for that kind of crap.

Posted by: Vet in Houston | April 10, 2009, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Global Fraud!….and your point is…..GORE still won FL! I’m familiar with the electoral college, idiot!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:03 am 10:03 am

Carl Rove is roadkill. He needs to be pushed aside for the crows to finish off. He words are not note-worthy.

Posted by: gdguynbalt | April 10, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am

The truth hurts. YOWCH!

Posted by: jcarob | April 10, 2009, 10:04 am 10:04 am

ChicagBob>>>>>Who’s changing history? Who’s lying? Rove and the RootorRooter Clan that he runs with have “changed history” and lied about anything to benefit themselves. From Weapons of Mass Destruction, exposing the identity of government agents (and putting lives at risk) to who really profited from Halliburton (Cheney!). I think it is great that we live in a free nation that we can all be on a forum like this and defend our individual beliefs and You (ChicagBob) can defend Rove and his Bandits…..but watch your back because they would NOT defend you or look out for your best interests if it did not benefit them and line their pockets. That, dear sir, IS factual history!

Posted by: Nelle | April 10, 2009, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Maybe you hated Bush and Rove but at least they were up front with their agenda…. posted byPosted by: ja | Apr 10, 2009 9:58:18 AM
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*LMAO* Yeah… sure… right… NOT!

Posted by: IndependentPatroit | April 10, 2009, 10:05 am 10:05 am

billy bob …and you just remember when the artic ice cap is gone and methane is being pumped into the atmosphere from the melting permafrost heating the planet beyond anything thought possible what we stupid libs told you about climate change!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:05 am 10:05 am

Global Fraud!….and your point is…..GORE still won FL! I’m familiar with the electoral college, idiot!
Posted by: hakori | Apr
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Kisses, sheep boy :)

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:06 am 10:06 am

It so sad that we elected a known liar as VP. What happened to morals? Biden certainly doesn’t have any.

Posted by: jim | April 10, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am

Yeah–I volunteered because I believed the LIES at the time. God help me, but I just bring myself to think Bush was gonna be betray us like that

Posted by: Brother in Arms | April 10, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am

ChicagBob…oh yeas Bob. And you conservatives were so against a continued recount in FL in 2000 because you were afraid that Gore might win. I remember you people protesting to stop the recount. Now that a dem is ahead in the Senate race in MN, you want to drag it out to doomsday. Now that’s hypocrisy! Why don’t you include hypocrisy in the GOP platform? I mean, it’s at the root of ALL your agruments!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am

Karl Rove calling someone Else a liar and a blowhard? That would have to work it’s way up to being ridiculous. When it comes to liars and blowhards, Rove is their king.

Posted by: Tricia | April 10, 2009, 10:09 am 10:09 am

year? Problly not! So guess what…your taxes will go down under Obama. Stop spreading conservative lies. If you are going to post something, you should really post things you can back up instead of GOP talking points. In case you didn’t get the memo, I’ll share with you: the days you tells lies for the truth and aren’t called out on it are OVER!———————
Hey Hakori, just curious…are you counting when Obama chooses to not continue the Bush MIDDLE-CLASS tax cuts in 2010 or the apparent ENERGY carbon cap taxes that he’ll impose on anyone using electricity, oil, or gas??? GET A CLUE! STOP BUYING THE SOUND-BITES!!!

Posted by: HA! | April 10, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am

hakori: God are you a fool. Tell me the percentage genius of middle class tax rates under Clinton and WOW you will find that under Bush they are 20% lower. If you made $50,000 under Clinton you paid $5000 under Bush you paid $4000. You are a stupid sheep…there’s nothing worse than someone who knows very little but thinks they know a lot. You are so dumb because Obama has already stated what i just said but he words it only talking about the rich but the Bush tax Cuts affected everyone you idiot. Thanks for making my day

Posted by: mike | April 10, 2009, 10:10 am 10:10 am

Yawn…Karl Rove and Joe Biden. There’s a pair whose scrapping is definitely worth my attention, because neither of them is a complete windbag. Not at all. Their little fight in no way resembles a battle between Courtney Love and Amy Winehouse over their respective drug histories.

Posted by: Hil | April 10, 2009, 10:11 am 10:11 am

ChicagBob…oh yeas Bob. And you conservatives were so against a continued recount in FL in 2000 because you were afraid that Gore might win. I remember you people protesting to stop the recount. Now that a dem is ahead in the Senate race in MN, you want to drag it out to doomsday. Now that’s hypocrisy! Why don’t you include hypocrisy in the GOP platform? I mean, it’s at the root of ALL your agruments!
Posted by: hakori | Apr
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Definition of hypocrisy: (1) The root of any Democrat political campaign (2) Anyone on the left calling anyone else a hypocrit after they themselves put other hypocrits in the White House :)

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:12 am 10:12 am

ChicagBob …finally bob…something we can agree on. I’m extremely dissapointed about Obama’s decision about wiretapping. I’m uspset- furious-about the provision that makes it impossible to sue the government over such matters as well. But I still trust Obama immensly more to protect our civil liberites than the dictatorial bush anyday.

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:12 am 10:12 am

October 20, 2004 8:30 a.m. EST
By MARY DALRYMPLE, Associated Press Writer
WATERLOO, Iowa – Democratic presidential candidate JOHN KERRY is questioning whether President Bush is the exemplary leader he claims to be and points to the war in Iraq as evidence that he is not.
“This president likes to say he’s a leader,” Kerry said in remarks prepared for delivery Wednesday. “Mr. President, look behind you. There’s no one there. It’s not leadership if no one follows.”
Kerry said U.S. leaders must stop treating other countries with “contempt,” driving them away from a role in Iraqi security and reconstruction. He also repeated charges that the president’s conduct has made the United States weaker, not stronger, in the war on terrorism.
“America is fighting and must win two wars. The war in Iraq, and the war on terror,” Kerry said. “Iraq was a profound diversion from that war and the battle against our greatest enemy, Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda network. But now that we’re fighting two wars, we must and we will prevail in both.”
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/1098275402

Posted by: Lee | April 10, 2009, 10:12 am 10:12 am

Mike…..”there’s nothing worse than someone who knows very little but thinks they know a lot.” I agree, and you fall flatly into that categroy!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Global Fraud…that wasn’t a response to my comment. That was a cop out! But what do you have when you have nothing?

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am

And the arrogance of the crooks from the Bush administration just keeps going. Rove belongs in jail. Perhaps when criminals get off scott free, they feel invinsible…but Rove will hopefully face the halls of justice one day, and he will come up wanting.

Posted by: Lifesajourney | April 10, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am

Hakori- ChicagBob…oh yeas Bob. And you conservatives were so against a continued recount in FL in 2000 because you were afraid that Gore might win.
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OMG he just brought up the recount!!:) CLASSIC! It’s been a decade already, aren’t you supposed to be the forward looking party? (in theory, not really, otherwise you’d see the train wreck the dollar is in for in 6 years)

Posted by: HA! | April 10, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am

Rove personifies the “banality of evil.” Just look at him, banal + evil.

Posted by: Ivy | April 10, 2009, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Amy – the only reason Bush made it through 8 years as President without getting impeached was because we hated Cheney even more. Cheney was Bush’s insurance policy – believe it!!!

Posted by: geecee | April 10, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am

Well, if Biden is a liar, then Rove is surely a HYPOCRITE for calling him on it.

Posted by: Jesus Chang | April 10, 2009, 10:19 am 10:19 am

“Global Fraud…that wasn’t a response to my comment. That was a cop out! But what do you have when you have nothing?”
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Which comment, the one you made calling an idiot or the continuous posting of sheep speak you keep flooding the page with? Be sure to see my earlier post of the definition of a hypocrit. Fits you to a tee :)

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Biden is an embarrassment to our president. I don’t know how you expect the president to control what he says….he’s an adult responsible for his own lies. I’m just so glad he wasn’t chosen Sec. of State…..we need someone more responsible for that position.

Posted by: Kathy | April 10, 2009, 10:21 am 10:21 am

Rove again? Shouldnt he be in prison? No, Bush still needs someone to do late night burger runs and other errands.

Posted by: Ivy | April 10, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am

“Rove’s account is being backed up by former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer, who said he reviewed notes of Bush’s White House meetings with Biden before talking to Fox about the exchanges.” is Rove’s evidence. Where’s Biden’s?

Posted by: deanbob | April 10, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am

Nothing like watching the losing side on this one just whine and whine about the dividers on that left side now. After 8 years of putting me down if I made a peep about something I didn’t like. You guys have such short term memories it’s ridiculous.
As far as this story goes? Pot meet kettle. I’d so trust Biden over Rove it’s not funny. Rove is the biggest immoral twit to EVER be involved in politics. Not to mention this outgoing administration is proving to be the most classless outgoing we’ve EVER seen.

Posted by: FedUp | April 10, 2009, 10:24 am 10:24 am

Between Palin and Cheney the political scene is turning into something worse than a reality tv show and now Rove is joining in the fray. But even with that said, Biden should think before he speaks. His comment was in poor taste, even if it is true, which it might not be. C’mon people, grow up! You’re all supposed to be leaders!

Posted by: Ken | April 10, 2009, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Global Fraud….Rove is the biggest hypocrite for calling Biden a liar. And you need to get your facts straight.

Posted by: cup of joe | April 10, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Karl, you’ve done enough damage by getting our villiage idiot elected president, just shut up and go away.

Posted by: Jim Bob | April 10, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Now we can judge a book by its cover? Should be manking a mint in the market!

Posted by: deanbob | April 10, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Global Fraud…you still didn’t respond in an intelligent coherent way to my comment, lemming.

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:28 am 10:28 am

Global Fraud…you still didn’t respond in an intelligent coherent way to my comment, lemming.
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Because you haven’t posted any comments that are intelligent or coherent, neo-marxist sheep :)

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:30 am 10:30 am

The Bush team was so busy in 2001 trying to upend America’s global relationships in accordance with a neo-conservative agenda that the then national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, did not see any urgency in reports that Al Qaeda was determined to strike in the United States. Mr. Tenet later helped hype the “slam dunk” intelligence that Mr. Bush used to justify diverting the military from the war of necessity against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan to the war of choice in Iraq.
Another disturbing aspect of the C.I.A. report released in August 2007 was its date, June 2005, which neatly sums up Mr. Bush’s (and Mr. Rove’s and Mr. Cheney’s) policies on transparency and accountability — they did not believe in either. Perhaps it’s not surprising that the report wasn’t released in 2005.
But it’s distressing that the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, Gen. Michael V. Hayden, still said that he would not have released the report if the Democratic-led Congress had not required it. Like his predecessor, Porter Goss, who also quashed the report, General Hayden did not seem to have much confidence in the American people.
Unfortunately, the Bush administration’s obsession with secrecy and refusal to accept public scrutiny made a tragic mess of our national security policy.
Americans still don’t have the full story of how Mr. Bush hustled them into a war in which United States soldiers are trapped without hope of clear and absolute victory. Congress rushed to pass profoundly dangerous changes to the constitutional fabric — the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act of 2006, recent changes to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act — without real deliberation.
Ignoring the mistakes of the past dooms a nation to repeat them.

Posted by: IndependentPatroit | April 10, 2009, 10:30 am 10:30 am

HA! ………….an injustice never goes away…but then agian that doesn’t matter to non-thinking people like you. Just think, if Gore had served his term, we wouldn’t be in an immoral war in Iraq and the economy wouldn’t be a WRECK! You don’t think things out before you speak, do you? Of course not…you’re a republicant!

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am

I CAN’T STAND Joe Biden…he so full of cr*p. I wouldn’t believe anything that comes out of his mouth. I think his hair plugs poked a hole in his brain and they leaked all over the Senate floor!!

Posted by: dlg | April 10, 2009, 10:31 am 10:31 am

Global Fraud….Rove is the biggest hypocrite for calling Biden a liar. And you need to get your facts straight.
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Cup of Joe, see my earlier definition of hyprocrisy :)

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Regardless of how you feel about Rove, is there honestly a single person on this board who doesn’t believe that Joe Biden is a serial liar?

Posted by: coloradorocket123 | April 10, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am

“HA! ………….an injustice never goes away…but then agian that doesn’t matter to non-thinking people like you. Just think, if Gore had served his term, we wouldn’t be in an immoral war in Iraq and the economy wouldn’t be a WRECK! You don’t think things out before you speak, do you? Of course not…you’re a republicant!”
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Hakori, is that what all of your babble is about, Gore not being elected? He must be paying you a cut of the millions he is making from his carbon credit scam :)

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Global Fraud…the hypocriosy about the right demanding the recount in FL end, now that the shoe’s on the other foot they’re willing to delay the inevitable until doomsday in MN if necessary.. You know, the unadultered hypocisy on the right that’s wearing pretty thin but never goes away. in other words, LEMMING SPEAK!

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am

Biden may be unstable, is disconnected and insulting. I still can’t get over his remark that paying more in taxes is patriotic. What an arrogant public servant he is. Obviously, some of us are more patriotic than others. I’ll match my patriotism to his, any day.

Posted by: fedup_11 | April 10, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am

But then again, better a neo-marxist sheep than a deranged neo-con like me.

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:34 am 10:34 am

coloradorocket123
All politicians and their lackeys are serious embellishers.

Posted by: IndependentPatroit | April 10, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Global Fraud…the hypocriosy about the right demanding the recount in FL end, now that the shoe’s on the other foot they’re willing to delay the inevitable until doomsday in MN if necessary.. You know, the unadultered hypocisy on the right that’s wearing pretty thin but never goes away. in other words, LEMMING SPEAK!
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LOL

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Truth and facts are no longer operative.

Posted by: Rasputin3.14 | April 10, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am

I better get back to my Rush Radio program and my meds now.

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Global Fraud!……….no it’s not about Gore. It’s about pointing out GOP hypocrisy. You demanded the recout end then, now you’re all for the people of MN lacking half their representation in the Senate because your guy lost and he won’t accept it. THAT’S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT: HYPOCRISY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am

Karl, if you’re going to pretend to be educated and erudite learn how to use the subjunctive. “If I were being unkind…” not was. Didn’t you resign from the Bush White House Karl? Aren’t you done? Shouldn’t you just shut up and become the footnote in history that you are? You are a failure and so was the administration you so fiercely defend? George Bush is not impugning the new administration. It’s called taking the high road, but I suspect Rove couldn’t find the high road with a Garmin. It’s interesting that he seems to be claiming to be omnipresent. He was there all the time, whenever anyone talked to Bush, he heard everything and knows all, believe him because he is so very trustworthy.

Posted by: CaffeineHat | April 10, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am

Rove is the one who needs to be checked out. Rove is a stand alone squalking while taking advice from Cheney at this time. No…. the election proved it, away with the liars..

Posted by: charlie | April 10, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am

Hakora, You are living in a dream world if you don’t think your taxes are going up. Who is going to pay for all the spending….not just the people making more than $200k. He’s going to raise your taxes by imposing taxes on corporations and they don’t pay taxes. They pass it along to the consumer and I bet most consumers don’t make $200k.

Posted by: dsimms | April 10, 2009, 10:37 am 10:37 am

“Rove’s account is being backed up by former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer, who said he reviewed notes of Bush’s White House meetings with Biden before talking to Fox about the exchanges.”
What’s hilarious is that everyone is so busy calling Rove a liar, that they ignore his statement is backed by another source.
And BTW – if you think that a debt of 2-11 trillion dollars is only going to be paid by the millionaires of this country, I have some beachfront property I’d like to talk to you about… Cash only, small bills preferred.

Posted by: grok666 | April 10, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Think I’ll join Global Fraud and listen to Rush. Hey, I believe there is a Hannity marathon on later…I’ll bring the popcorn :)

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Global Fraud!…LOL Yeah that! You know I’m right but can’t admit it….now that’s hypocisy!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Hey Mike — Your favorite day is coming up too — they day you learn to spell!

Posted by: John Beresford Tipton | April 10, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Takes you back to the great analogy “I did not have oral sex with that girl”! Joe Biden is so full it – he has told so many fibs that he can’t tell the truth and doesn’t realize when he is actually telling a fib or lying.

Posted by: nevpatriot | April 10, 2009, 10:38 am 10:38 am

dsimms…………not interested in your tired gop talking points. GIVE IT UP!

Posted by: hakori | April 10, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am

Karl Rove is a Republican political strategist. Would we expect anything less from him?
The latest attempt at attack on the new administration reveals the level of GOP desperation. Guess Jindal and Limbaugh are losing ground.
Rove, affectionately known as “Bush’s Brain does not hold a college degree.
During Roves years in Texas, he earn a reputation for being a savage political strategist, willing to engage in dirty tricks. Some of the tricks associated with Rove have been detailed by journalists James Moore and Wayne Slater in their book ‘Bush’s Brain’.
Austin Chronicle’s Robert Bryce wrote in 2000 that “Rove has the same killer quality that [Republican strategist] Lee Atwater had. He’s super-confident, and a bit of a show-off.”
Karl Rove was a paid consultant to Philip Morris from 1991 to 1996, earning $3,000 a month from the relationship. His contact for payment at Philip Morris was Hartina Fluornoy. Rove continued his relationship with Philip Morris while he was an advisor to then Texas Governor George W. Bush.
A February 15, 2000 article from the New York Times revealed that Rove, helped draft a 1996 push poll against then-Texas Attorney General Dan Morales in an attempt to pressure Morales out of filing a lawsuit against the major American Tobacco companies. The push poll was financed by tobacco companies.
According to the article, George W. Bush, then Governor of Texas, threatened to fire any campaign staffer found to be involved with push polls. Bush’s spokesman, Ari Fleisher, denied that Mr. Rove was involved in drafting the poll questions, saying Rove only reviewed a fifth draft of the survey. But in a deposition given in 1997, Rove admitted he had offered suggestions about the poll’s questions. Despite this, Karl Rove was never fired.
During Bush’s first term, Rove was credited with influencing and shaping White House policy to best support the President’s reelection bid.
Although he was never directly implicated, fingers in Washington pointed on several occasions at Rove as the source of underhanded stunts to discredit and undermine critics of Bush. In particular, the American Prospect’s Murray Waas ties Rove to the outing of CIA agent Valerie Plame in retaliation for her husband Joseph Wilson’s exposure of White House exaggerations concerning the nuclear threat posed by Iraq.

Posted by: gus amaral | April 10, 2009, 10:40 am 10:40 am

Global Fraud sounds like he’s losing it.

Posted by: Ivy | April 10, 2009, 10:40 am 10:40 am

Hmm, Rove believes he’s still in the loop of power.

Posted by: newz4i | April 10, 2009, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Rove should be in prison.

Posted by: Maggie | April 10, 2009, 10:42 am 10:42 am

More change we can believe in from the inept Obama administration. Without doubt the most idiotic, lying, plagiarizing member of congress in the modern era – chosen to be VP. What a disgrace. Just goes to show how far over his head Obama is in this job. We can only hope this country, and world, survives four years of this incompetent buffoon.

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 10:43 am 10:43 am

Hakori, the truth is not a talking point but then again liberals don’t believe in the truth. Case in point ,,,,Biden. He would rather lie than tell the truth if it was going to make him the wealthiest man in the world.

Posted by: dsimms | April 10, 2009, 10:43 am 10:43 am

adfe

Posted by: Kara | April 10, 2009, 10:43 am 10:43 am

First Cheney, then Palin and now Rove. You Republicans are the laughing stock of America! I can’t wait until the head jester weighs in with the memoirs of his presidency. I hear it’s going to be a coloring book!

Posted by: New Yorker | April 10, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am

“Global Fraud sounds like he’s losing it.”
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I’m pretty peeved, I must admit. Hakori stole my front row seat not only to Rush, but to Hannity as well. Next thing you know, he/she will have my season tickets to the Neal Bortz show :)

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am

Go check out Drudge or Fox News….ABC News only gives half of the story that shows examples of Biden’s exagerrated stories over the years. Why is it that they cut out half of the story????

Posted by: Kara | April 10, 2009, 10:45 am 10:45 am

If you truly believe that Biden is telling the truth and Obama didn’t bow before the Saudi king, then you’re going to love the emperor’s new clothes.

Posted by: MaryS | April 10, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am

I’m not a liberal, but that Rove is not to be trusted. Biden can act like a fool but Rove in that Plame mess lied through his teeth.

Posted by: Louis | April 10, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am

This stupid claim fits exactly with the kind of thing an old BS’er like Joe Biden would say. My guess is it is a lie. I’d make book on it.

Posted by: N'erdowell | April 10, 2009, 10:46 am 10:46 am

What I can’t understand is that Bush is no longer president. Obama is and when is he going to get off of Bush. Bush has not said one unkind thing about Obama or anyone else since he left office. He refuses to comment when asked. NOW WHO HAS THE MOST CHARACTER -I wish our former president would go out and defend himself, but he won’t, he has too much dignity for that. SO BIDEN, OBAMA DN ALL THE REST OF YOU LIARS LET HIM BE.

Posted by: Jane | April 10, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am

Biden is a proven liar and plagarist.

Posted by: Sluggo | April 10, 2009, 10:47 am 10:47 am

In 2005, Rove, President George W. Bush’s “top strategist” and Deputy Chief of Staff, became the man Republicans said was is in charge of the Hurricane Katrina reconstruction effort.
“The President literally changed horses in the middle of the stream last week, putting ‘Heckava Job’ Brownie out to pasture and wagering his last bit of political capital on a nag by the name of T-Blossom, who is used to slogging it out on a muddy track. Yes, Bush saddled his favorite political steed, Karl Rove, with the enormous political and economic task of rebuilding the Big Easy. To make the job more alluring he threw in—for starters–$200 billion to excite all the participants,” Jean Carnahan wrote September 19, 2005.
“For now it looks like Karl is the go to man for the job. Never mind that this is not Karl’s line of work. But it might be his salvation. Who would indict a man engaged in so noble a work? The administration gets a ‘double whammy:’ Karl’s atonement and Bush’s revival.”
Bush dispatched Rove and “other aides to assemble ideas from agencies, conservative think tanks, GOP lawmakers and state officials to guide the rebuilding of New Orleans and relocation of flood victims,” Jim VandHei and Jonathan Weisman wrote in the September 14, 2005, New York Times. “The idea, aides said, is twofold: provide a quick federal response that comports with Bush’s governing philosophy, and prevent Katrina from swamping his second-term ambitions on Social Security, taxes and Middle East democracy-building.”

Posted by: gus amaral | April 10, 2009, 10:48 am 10:48 am

I think I’m just lonely.

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Carl rove is an idiot, years from now we will not look at this comment by bidden and go what a liar, but years from now we will look back and say that Carl Rove and GWB sured screwed this country up. oh Wait! we are saying that now. To the dude complaining about paying taxes. Everyone pays taxes, tax revenue is what keeps this country rolling, it pays all those government employees, it pays for social programs. If the rich people didn’t skip out on their taxes and did hide them in overseas accounts perhaps there would not be a need for the increase. I am considered low middle class but I gladly will pay higher taxes if it pays for the things this country needs. I am not some selfish republican worried about how many cars I can own, how many vacation homes I can have. I am an American who cares about fellow Americans who are even less fornuate than myself. You selfish ingrate the world is not about you. We either come togeather and we do the things that our leaders either did not have the courage to do or the forsight to see the need or we will pass off a worse country to our kids. A country with 75% poverty, a broken down healthcare system, a crubling electronic grid, while we are being left behind by every other industrilzed nation.
Mike you are the idiot man. The tax rate under Bush was so eskewed to the better off, Sheep no man it appears you don’t what you are talking about. Under Clinton and the dot com era, we grew, everybody did better. Name one economist that disagree’s with that. Under Bush not only did GDP suffer but now look you have less Billionaires, less millionaires our economy shrank, US government was forced into bailing out the financial sector. Your comparison is flawed.
Now for Obama fans, this is the greatest Preasident we have ever had in America. The majority of us think this. It shows in every poll ecept for FOX. We know that for the last 30 years our republican friends have done nothing to promote the future for our country. The have used idealogy instead sound policy to govern. But now is our time, the things that our President is offering is a hard pill to swallow but our children will reap these sacarfices. Don’t listen to the yammering of the right about the debt. They said the same thing in the 80′s and we are doing just fine. The private sector can not be counted to move this country foward. If they were capable they would of already started. The US Governemnt has the resources and can provide the funds for these critical projects that not only can help stabalize America’s freefall because of greedy people. Our President is counting each one of us to be active in our government, we can not bring about these changes unless we make the efforts and heed the call. Don’t worry about the republicans they are dying party and will soon be with the Wigs and the Moose party. They have splintered and now in search of a voice.
I was not fond of GWB, Cheney, or Rove but their stupity and lack of forsight has brought about the reduction in their base, for that I am eternally gratefull.

Posted by: greg from nashville | April 10, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am

Louis… You have no idea Rove lied in the Plame deal. You don’t even know what he said. I can assure you that if he had lied the prosecutor would have indicted him also. I know Fitzgerald and he doesn’t care who you are if you break the law you break the law.

Posted by: dsimms | April 10, 2009, 10:49 am 10:49 am

If I remember anything about Joe Biden, this is one of his most famous traits. I don’t know that Rove could have any first hand knowledge about whether Biden said it or not, but a good politician never would say this to the president because he might need a political favor in the future. So my money would be on Karl Rove.

Posted by: LongT | April 10, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am

I think I’m just lonely.
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Of course I’m lonely. I can’t get my daily dose of Rush or Hannity with flakes like Hakori sitting in my seat and eating my popcorn. Guess I’ll just have to stay here and tick off they left by telling the truth and point out their hypocrisy :)

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:51 am 10:51 am

You serious? Biden plagiarized a speech decades ago and puts his foot in his mouth on occassion and you think that is WORSE than Rove’s act of high treason? Rove should be in JAIL for the Plame cover-up. He has helped the Bush administration lie about WMDs, he was the damn “architect’ of it all. Wake up.

Posted by: BigWheel | April 10, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Calgary, AB – September 22, 2008: A group of concerned Canadian citizens are coming together to speak out against Karl Rove’s address this week in Calgary and Toronto. Partisan think tank, the Fraser Institute, is charging $5000-$7000 per table for Canadian elites to dine with and learn from the architect of George W. Bush’s two controversial presidential campaigns. The Fraser Institute has long held connections to political campaigns in Canada. Tom Flanagan, former Harper campaign manager and author of Harper’s Team: Behind the Scenes in the Conservative Rise to Power, is also a Senior Fellow at the Fraser Institute.
“We are concerned that the Conservative campaign is importing Republican campaign tactics and Bush-style governance,” Andy McIntyre, an organizer of the citizens’ group said. “Personal smears, voter fraud, bribery, blackmail and the politicization of Canada’s justice system have no place in Canadian politics or our elections.”

Posted by: gus amaral | April 10, 2009, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Yeah, it’s awful when a vice president lies. Like Cheney, even to this day, saying that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 and al Qaeda. What about that, turd blossom?

Posted by: william | April 10, 2009, 10:54 am 10:54 am

Yea because Rove is all of the sudden someone we all are going to listen to and trust. Really the previous administration needs to realize that they messed up and all the trash talking about the new administration isnt going to make them look any better. It just makes a few extreme republicans happy in their world of conspiracies and predictions of the collapse of the world because Obama is now president. No surprise that this was a Fox News thing, its probably the only place that will actually listen to these people. I would say that I hope that these people would start putting their energy towards solving our problems but we already know what happens when we let them try to help the country.

Posted by: Ashley | April 10, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Wow…I guess he knows a few things about lying….What an American! Good thing he has the Hannity show to go on as no one else cares what he thinks.

Posted by: talmag | April 10, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am

“Yeah, it’s awful when a vice president lies. Like Cheney, even to this day, saying that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11 and al Qaeda. What about that, turd blossom?”
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You mean like the current president running on fiscal responsibility, no more pork/ear marks, etc. etc. etc.?

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am

a fool is known by the multitude of his words!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: wisdom | April 10, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am

Rove needs to shut up. Shouldnt he be helping America by not stoking up the Hannity and Glenn Beck low-lifes and realize he should just admit he’s done enough damage to our country?

Posted by: Joey | April 10, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Biden is an idiot anyway…. who cares??

Posted by: FreeinNH | April 10, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Cheney, Palin, Rove?
I hear Wayne Newton needs a few opening acts in Vegas.

Posted by: crassandra | April 10, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Karl Rove started his political career by breaking into the office of a Democratic opponent, stealing his stationary and printing slanderous statements on this stationary and handing out these lies in order to defeat him. He is calling Joe Biden a liar? Excuse me, I automatically assume when he opens his mouth that lies are coming out. A real piece of slime in my opinion.

Posted by: Sharonkathleen | April 10, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am

How do you think Obama and Biden got where they are? Lying thats how…
And all you Democrats are SUCKERS for believing them….Bush never lied once!
False Hope Loose Change

Posted by: dean | April 10, 2009, 10:58 am 10:58 am

Rove on Hannity = One boring blow hard talking to another boring blow hard. Rove is a political has-been.

Posted by: sewingcircle | April 10, 2009, 11:00 am 11:00 am

crassanda: maybe they can take Pelosi, Frank and Clinton too, now that would make a hell of a show!

Posted by: FreeinNH | April 10, 2009, 11:01 am 11:01 am

Just what the Republicans need: Karl Rove replacing Rush Limbaugh as the face of their party. Don’t they have any decent Republican leaders anymore?
Joe Biden is who he is: open, warm, talkative, insightful, very experienced and highly regarded by people on both sides of the aisle. Karl Rove, on the other hand, has a reputation for deviousness unlike anything the political world has seen since Lee Atwater. Am I right or am I right?

Posted by: Amy in Maine | April 10, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

crassanda: maybe they can take Pelosi, Frank and Clinton too, now that would make a hell of a show!
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Don’t think Pelosi is available. She’s too busy trying to generate sales of her God-awful book so she doesn’t have to return the advance she received.

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 11:04 am 11:04 am

Teabaggingtexas….you are an idiot. We finally have a president who will bring respect back to our country. The troops were happy to see him because they know he will bring them home. The man has tried to do all that he has promised and still you people will find something to dislike about him. I know the real reason you dislike him …enough said. He is our president and deserves respect something that you, Hannity, Rove, Rush have not given him yet. What great American’s you all are. You should be ashamed.

Posted by: talmag | April 10, 2009, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Two different kind of liars. Biden lies like a tipsy drunk who likes to tell stories and forgets where he is sometimes. Rove lies like a man who would send America to the brink of destruction by covering up incompetence at the highest level of office. I’m gonna say Rove is the bigger liar.

Posted by: Geez Louise | April 10, 2009, 11:05 am 11:05 am

The Neo-Cons including Rove, Limbaugh, Hannity and the Lemmings on this blog are a bunch of pathetic crybaby losers. I’m betting their parents never taught them to be graceful in defeat.

Posted by: dan | April 10, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am

“Joe Biden is who he is: open, warm, talkative, insightful, very experienced and highly regarded by people on both sides of the aisle. Karl Rove, on the other hand, has a reputation for deviousness unlike anything the political world has seen since Lee Atwater. Am I right or am I right?”
Posted by: Amy in Maine | Ap
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LOL ROFLMAO. Excuse, I’ll return in about 2 hours when I’m able to stop laughing.

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am

So Rove was with Bush every single time he ever saw Biden? Rove’s comment doesn’t even pass the Jr. High logic test. It’s quite telling of the contempt Rove has for the Republican base’s critical thinking skills that he would even make such a clearly false or exaggerated comment.

Posted by: jhw539 | April 10, 2009, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Rove calling someone else a liar? That’s rich. What a joke.

Posted by: Mike | April 10, 2009, 11:09 am 11:09 am

This is rich! We all know Karl Rove knows a thing or two about lying and being a blow hard – but at least Joe Biden is no criminal and doesn’t have to ignore subpoena’s and then throw his aids under the bus to go to jail for him. Rove should be behind bars for his actions in the Bush Administration and I am tired of the media printing evry word this meglomaniac says. Shut up Rove and go away. You and your corrupt friends are out of power and the way the Republican Party is going it is likely to stay that way for a long time. The Republican Party used to be the party of rich white people and business types, but now it is the party of the nut cases and crooks.

Posted by: Kate1149 | April 10, 2009, 11:10 am 11:10 am

I’ll be back, because all I have is this blog and picking on the easy comments.

Posted by: Global Fraud! | April 10, 2009, 11:11 am 11:11 am

Why would anyone defend Rove? He’s done some shady things while at the White House. Never got caught, though.

Posted by: the bluest eye | April 10, 2009, 11:12 am 11:12 am

I’ll be back, because all I have is this blog and picking on the easy comments.
Posted by: Global Fraud!
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Why doesn’t Global Fraud just leave me alone. I mean, all I did was call him an idiot. And in return, he keeps throwing the truth at me and hurting my feelings (sniff, sniff). I wonder if Rush will let me cry on his big, manly shoulders.

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am

On peut mentire a une femme , mentire pour une bonne cause ,mais pas mentire pour detuire

Posted by: Robert Salnave | April 10, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am

biden has put his foot in his mouth so many times he has foot prints on the roof of his mouth. he starts talking and i get my b. s. shovel out

Posted by: footinmouth | April 10, 2009, 11:13 am 11:13 am

Rove who?

Posted by: vicki | April 10, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am

why is this Limbaugh look-alike not in prison? Rove is a liar and a criminal.

Posted by: Paul Wall | April 10, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am

Carl Rove called it right. The Vice-President is lying through his shark-like teeth and these whining liberals are all massing around their second-in-command looney tunes Al-Bore wanna-be. As for the guy calling the Republicans the party of nut-cases and crooks – witness “Code Pink” – Acorn – The ACLU – Nancy Pelosi – And you call US crazy? Amazing and a case study in revolting.

Posted by: Jon | April 10, 2009, 11:16 am 11:16 am

Yep Biden needs to support truth – Put KARL ROVE in jail for lying to US, leaking information and leading to War.

Posted by: JS | April 10, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Just checked in to see all the same players….. is this really news to you? We have an American waiting for the strongest military in the world to save him. Why don’t you focus elsewhere? Global Fraud and footinmouth, I suggest you get out of here with me before these people keep insulting our intelligence. This is not news people, step up to the plate in the big league….

Posted by: FreeinNH | April 10, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Well, we know that Joe Biden has diarrhea of the mouth. he makes so many gaffs, who can take him seriously?

Posted by: Fran | April 10, 2009, 11:18 am 11:18 am

anyone else notice?,
the ONLY news source listed above by Klein is FOX news. I wonder why.

Posted by: gus amaral | April 10, 2009, 11:19 am 11:19 am

Wow…there’s some nasty posting going on. If Joe Biden is indeed lying he needs to fess up and admit it. He wishes to lead the country/world? Does he plan on leading based on false pretenses or genuine respect?

Posted by: John | April 10, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am

Now THAT’s a good one! Rove calling someone else, anyone else a liar and blowhard!!!! Ari Flieshcer backs him on this!? That’s like the number 2 guy in Al Queda saying Bin Laden is a social reformer!!! My question is: who bleedn cares about a conversation which may or may not have happened 7 or 8 years ago? And also I cant believe that Rove et al are STILL in the business of trying to rewrite history–SHAMEFUL!

Posted by: Ginette43 | April 10, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am

What do you know about this, Mr. Rove?
Better start talking. Truth is coming:
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/thy-speech-shall-whisper-out-of-the-dust/

Posted by: ghost | April 10, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am

Book Karl Rove under UnPatriotic Act for not supporting President and Vice President and calling them liar. KARL ROVE is UNPATRIOTIC.

Posted by: JS | April 10, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Rove also admitted that Rush is gay.

Posted by: crassandra | April 10, 2009, 11:24 am 11:24 am

Hakori, you are a very angry person. Go look at the President’s budget on-line. In 2009, they will take in 958 Billion in our tax dollars. By 2015 that number will rise to over 1 1/2 Trillion. Do you really think that the top tier of tax payers can handle that increase by themselves? REALLY? I’m sorry I just don’t.

Posted by: DanaS | April 10, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am

I was one who really liked Biden, boy was I wrong – what they have been saying about Biden all these years was right Joe has a big mouth. And even more scary he believes the garbage he says. God was looking after America I would have voted for him as President.
This being said Joe my have a big mouth, but he is not as bad as reid and pelosi those two. We would better off if Iran sent two of their worst to put in their place.
Our government is broken and it needs to be fixed before we become like Mexico.

Posted by: a Citizen | April 10, 2009, 11:26 am 11:26 am

Rove should be in jail, along with the rest of the criminals from the last eight years.

Posted by: Concentration Camps for all Conservatives | April 10, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Biden’s been caught plagiarizing & lying about it. Even that ‘right wing nut job’ Sen. John Kerry called him out on his lie about being under attack when the chopper they were both in was out of services.
The political class in this country is by & large a pack of self-serving preeners and it’s getting to be nearly impossible to tell Democrats from Republicans.

Posted by: Mac | April 10, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Rush is gay? Wow. I knew he was a criminal and a drug addict, but gay? Who knew?

Posted by: Concentration Camps for all Conservatives | April 10, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Rove is on his way to Somalia, to help subdue the pirates.
- FOX

Posted by: crassandra | April 10, 2009, 11:28 am 11:28 am

DanaS:”In 2009, they will take in 958 Billion in our tax dollars. By 2015 that number will rise to over 1 1/2 Trillion. Do you really think that the top tier of tax payers can handle that increase by themselves? REALLY? I’m sorry I just don’t.”
Do you understand even the basics of what a recession is? Or project population growth’s impact on the tax base? It is breathtakingly ignorant – or a classic Big Lie – to suggest even a majority of that additional tax revenue will be from the top tier of tax payers.

Posted by: jhw539 | April 10, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am

maybe we can dredge up some Swift Boaties too.
dirty, dirty.

Posted by: crassandra | April 10, 2009, 11:30 am 11:30 am

Do any of the neocons remember Rove’s biggest lie, “Mission Accomplished.” I think the body count is still going up in Iraq.

Posted by: William | April 10, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am

This is what the Republican party has become, thanks to Rove primarily–a bunch of propagandists! Rove and Cheney have been criticizing everything Obama and his administration have been doing, trying to do and saying, with little or no remorse or sense of accuracy. So, the fact that Biden says one critical thing and all else they’ve said is well, true the reps start stirring the pot again—-making a mountain out of a mole hile…. just regular playbook for them. That’s just it isnt it? It’s all a game to them–who cares about who gets hurt, the damage to this country and our crediblity abroad?

Posted by: Ginette43 | April 10, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am

Biden even lied about his first wive’s car accident, putting the blame on the truck driver, when it was his wives’ fault!!! That is DESPICABLE! He’s got a major problem. Oh well, what else is new with lying, sleazy dems!

Posted by: Josh | April 10, 2009, 11:32 am 11:32 am

It’s well known that Joe Biden is given to hyperbole. And since Rove and Biden are on the extremes of the political spectrum, there’s really no story here.

Posted by: LongT | April 10, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am

With the lack of solutions and substance, the GOP enlists Rove to focus
the base Republicans on nasty, non-issues.
you lose GOP!
all that’s left of the dying GOP are the nasty non-educated. Not enough to win a campaign again. You can’t fool the christians anymore. no one left, boys.

Posted by: crassandra | April 10, 2009, 11:37 am 11:37 am

I LOVE IT! I love that the liberals hate Hannity, Beck, Rove, Limbaugh! You know why? Because they can’t do anything about them. Hate them if you want but that’s about all you can do. Thank God that they are able to tell the other side of the story and sometimes, even the whole story. That burns the liberals so bad too!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Kara | April 10, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am

everyone has known for 15 years that biden has touble with the truth. when he speaks obama and most democrats cringe because can say the darndest things. rove is telling the truth and calling the frauds to the mat. if thats unpatriotic so be it.

Posted by: catman | April 10, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am

Believe Cheney is hiding behind the curtains orchestrating this behavior as usual. How would Rove know if anything is true or not? No… smoke and mirrors began with the last administration with so many resignations, lies, and misguided/unlimited spending leaving us in an economic mess.. The evidence remains and gets more exposure each day.

Posted by: Columbo | April 10, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am

If anyone else but Rove or a former member of the GWB administration would have said this, this just might be believable.

Posted by: Ron | April 10, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am

…I’m watching you fade out GOP losers!
this blog and FOX news are the only forum you have?
hahaha!

Posted by: crassandra | April 10, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am

This enrages me more than anything else in recent history! To Rove, Bush, Cheney, Fleischer and all of you other facists: It’s done! Truth and doing what’s right actually won. Before the election, I thought I was going to die from puking so much or by what felt like a drill each time Bush opened his mouth. Obama and the administration are trying their best to climb this steep mountain of mud their predecessors created…. Please SHUT THE BLANK UP and sink to the bottom where you deserve to be! You are damn well lucky and should be praising the gods each minute that you’re not in jail!

Posted by: Ginette43 | April 10, 2009, 11:40 am 11:40 am

You won’t let us post what we really think of that dirty firthy lying stinks to high heaven piece of something I scrape off my shoes. He is a fat ugly scum of the earth pig. Well let’s see if any of my truths get to stay up. Rove, go roll over a hill… into hell where you truly belong. No one with a brain believes a word out of your big fat ugly mouth. Go away, take ALL republicans with you, the American people are sick to death of the robber barons, cheating and war mongering that is your party.

Posted by: Jo Minneapolis | April 10, 2009, 11:41 am 11:41 am

Biden is a pig that should be led to slaughter. He should do what he wants to but dosn’t have the cojones to. Commit suicide. He is a worthless liar and coward. Both he and his rump humping lover Borat Hussain Obamoron should commit to a mutual suicide pact and follow it through doing society a huge favor!

Posted by: 10th SFGroup Mike | April 10, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Speak the truth, Rove! Biden is the biggest moron EVER! Actin’ like he dressed down Bush – HA! He is Obama’s “token white guy” and Obama is our “token black president”.

Posted by: the real me | April 10, 2009, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Takes one to know one…..lire lire pants on fire!

Posted by: Bonnie Kimberly | April 10, 2009, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Joe Biden, a joke as a senator, and an even bigger one as VP. Rove is 1000% correct in stating Biden as an exaggerator. It is his legacy.
Someone should kick our “illustrious” VP in the @ss and remind him to start doing his job on oversight of the monies this administration is pouring forth as well as his “large” duty in leading up that Middle class Task Force.
America doesn’t need more of Joe “the Fiction Writer”!

Posted by: Mike_C | April 10, 2009, 11:43 am 11:43 am

I have never seen so much hate on a comment post in my life. Is this the new America? Be a complete tool to someone who doesn’t think like you? Sounds like thinking for yourself is no good and you must be told what to think and feel. I rather make a case and have people realize the truth, than to throw cheap shots and carpet bomb everyone with your uneducated attacks with no good substance. Its like America skipped class and never went back. Wake up you loons and think for yourself and stop with the childish attacks, thats stuff I did when I was in elementary school. Pretty pathetic if you ask me, but I know to some of you attacking like a punk kid is cool and hip.

Posted by: Eric | April 10, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am

WHAT????!!! Karl ROVE is calling Biden a liar???! Isn’t that like the pirates calling the Navy scurge for taking back the boat?! This guy is unbelievable – Eat em for breakfast Joe!
Rove should be in JAIL!

Posted by: American Woman | April 10, 2009, 11:44 am 11:44 am

Felt like a drill to my head each time Bush spoke that is… At that time, I knew I was living in a nation med up of a lot of idiots, who were eating up each word the idiot-in-chief spat up… Whatever was said or not said between Biden and Bush 7 or 8 years ago is HISTORY to me. I’ve just begun to heal up from those years so please stop dredging them up again!

Posted by: Ginette43 | April 10, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am

It is laughable to see Karl Rove, the author of the debacle that was the Bush administration call the current vice president a liar.
My suggestion is that when NASA launches the next space shuttle, please include Mr. Rove in the manifest, and relegate him to the space station forever.

Posted by: Ray Flores | April 10, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Obama is already a great president and Biden a great VP as well. I dont care who said what—just prefer to go on with my life, with dreams and hopes for the future due to that FACT. I honestly didnt have that a few months ago. This is all just pooh pooh to me.

Posted by: Ginette43 | April 10, 2009, 11:49 am 11:49 am

republicans are drilling, er, i mean digging themselves deeper every day… the more bush and sarah palin and rush limbaugh are kept in the media, the better for obama and the democrats… wow, the dems are playing them to the max! gotta love karl rove, talk about the ultimate liar, soon him and cheney and many other bush dittoheads will be in jail

Posted by: earth_not_flat | April 10, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am

10th SFGroup Mike | Apr 10, 2009 11:42:04 AM
_______________
melting, melting….
…almost gone.
I’ll attend the wake.

Posted by: crassandra the Marine | April 10, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am

Karl Rove calling anybody a liar. FUNNY!

Posted by: Jaylah | April 10, 2009, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Why is this news? Everyone here in Delaware knows that Biden & Truth are like oil & water.

Posted by: Tyrone | April 10, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Look, try to dissociate yourselves from partisan trumpeting and be honest. Joe Biden is the Joe Isuzu of American politics. The fact is this conversation only took place in the fantasy world of Biden hyperbole. No record, appointment book, associate recall or transcript exists, only the childish “we stand by the statement”. Joe Biden could be asked about his high school athletic career and his answer would morph in being recruited by Notre Dame but deciding to enter public life instead! The truth may not be the template the Dems and their media cohorts want to portray, but, Biden is a sad vaudevillian act! Pity would be the appropriate response to Bidens pathology if he were not the V.P., however embarrassment for the U.S. is more appropriate giver his position.

Posted by: pauldia | April 10, 2009, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Biden isn’t the only one given to hype. Politicians do it all the time. It’s almost as if they actually believe it themselves. Remember Hillary saying she was name after Sir. Edmond Hillary, when she was already 4 years old before the world even knew who Sir Edmond Hillary was? It’s a sociopathic trait they share.

Posted by: LongT | April 10, 2009, 11:58 am 11:58 am

For once in what seems like a very long time, I am confident about the future. I know I’ll be ok because the drill to my head has been removed, I no longer feel nauteous when my legitimately elected president and vp speak, the ice under my feet has melted and it’s actually ok to be myself again. Life if good people, as tough as things are right now, because it’s an honest struggle we’re in… Just open your eyes and you’ll see that.

Posted by: Ginette43 | April 10, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am

Let me get this straight. One politician is calling another politician a liar?? LMAO Imagine that!!

Posted by: eliza | April 10, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am

LIAR, LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE.

Posted by: billy bob | April 10, 2009, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

ROVE… calling someone else a liar? That bloated sleaze ball Rove made a living out of lies. Go Back into your hole carl!

Posted by: Squierghia74 | April 10, 2009, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

Most American has realized that Joe Biden has been liar and serial exaggerator for a long time ago. My family never trust what he said.
Joe Biden’s 14 Lies during the campaign in 2008
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically on Sept., 2008, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

Posted by: DNC must be changed | April 10, 2009, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

How shameful and un-dignified for Obama and Biden keep bashing Bush. It truly diminishes their integrity and shows they have no moral values or ethics whatsoever. They need to stop this juvenile playground behaviour and get about the business of being – not acting – as President and VP.

Posted by: grannysunni | April 10, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

If anyone knows liars and lying , its anyone with anything to do with the Bush administration.
Everything after 9-11 was lies and hyperbole from W. Thank God for term limits.

Posted by: CanMan | April 10, 2009, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

This “Porky Pig” Karl should be in jail by now. Hey Karl, how much money did you made from the Iraq war?

Posted by: Junior111 | April 10, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Karl Rove should be in jail. And what Biden said was spot on: 25% of Americans were marching zombie-like behind Bush. The rest of thinking Americans wouldn’t call him their dog catcher, must less their leader.

Posted by: Reality Check | April 10, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Politicians always make things up. Don’t we all know that by now? Remember Obama saying Caterpillar would be hiring back 1000′s of workers when there was absolutely no basis for such a statement. Personally, I’m no longer surprised at anything they say, really!

Posted by: LongT | April 10, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

this is Karl Rove………..anything for a headline………..The same Karl Rove who refuses to testify………..should we be surprised at this point?

Posted by: Mark | April 10, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

Pretty sad to have a Vice President who makes stuff up. SAD!

Posted by: dfesta | April 10, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

With the lack of solutions and substance, the GOP enlists Rove to focus
the base Republicans on nasty, non-issues.
you lose GOP!
all that’s left of the dying GOP are the nasty non-educated. Not enough to win a campaign again. You can’t fool the christians anymore. no one left, boys.
Posted by: crassandra
_____________________________________If the event Biden talks about never happened, then what Biden said really WAS a lie wasn’t it?
I don’t think lying is non-issue crassandra. If we can’t trust Biden to ttell the truth, can we trust him to fix the economy?
No, the GOP hasn’t lost. AMERICA lost, because Biden can’t tell the truth.

Posted by: marco | April 10, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

What is wrong with you people? The VP of the United States makes up stuff about the former president and you don’t want anyone to call him out. I understand you don’t like Bush, Rove, Cheney, etc., but it is not about them. They are not our government. If my government is lying to me I want someone to tell me regardless of what party or what lies that whistle blower has told in the past. Enjoy the Koolaid!

Posted by: ace636 | April 10, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Is this the way he wishes to “stay relevant”. He’s possibly a bigger idiot than Newt Gremlin. Hey Nazi, that “feeling” on your rump, it’s the door “hitting you”. Take advantage of it, before this nation grows a pair and jails you for being the scoundrel you are and mess you helped cause. When is the “media” going to stop putting a microphone in front of his fat, tired, pharmaceutically addicted face?

Posted by: phinnious | April 10, 2009, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

That man has balls calling someone else a liar!!!! Rove, Bush and Cheney should be tried and convicted of war crimes. They know how to lie and lie and lie and lie and lie somemore. They coined the word.

Posted by: Cat | April 10, 2009, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

I agree with Joe is liar and he’s a serial exaggerator. Obama,Joe Biden,Nancy Pelosi, Frank Barney, Charles Rangel(D-NY, Rep. my distric-tax cheater)and Chris Dudd are all LIARS, LIARS……

Posted by: Janet-NY | April 10, 2009, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

So a liberal posts using the name Concentration Camp for all Conservatives. This individual makes me sick to my stomach and should be banned from ever using this board again. Is this what the libs have come to, hate filled political facists?

Posted by: dave d | April 10, 2009, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

I start laughing by just looking at Biden. Surely no one in this country believes anything that he says?

Posted by: billy bob | April 10, 2009, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Did everyone forget what we had eight years of? The bush whitehouse lying thru its teeth led by Karl rove and he has the nerve to say Biden is a liar? And all of you Obama haters out there, do you REALLY thing things were great under Bush?

Posted by: Keith T.Gilbert | April 10, 2009, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

Karl Rove is an expert at lying….he’s been doing it for at least 8 years. What a joke! The Republicans just don’t have any morals! They hide behind their mighty Christian Mask! Their not religous at all!

Posted by: Sheppy | April 10, 2009, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

What is Karl Rove still doing giving commentary on “FoxNews”?? Shouldn’t he be held in federal prison for “Contempt of Congress” for flaunting the subpoena for the political firings of US Attorneys???
At this point in Dubya’s first term he was already planning his vacation to Crawford, TX, while his chief terrorism head, Richard Clarke, was warning him of the Al-Queda threat. He wasn’t given the time of day because he was a Clinton hold-over!!
Karl….it’s time to go quietly off into the sunset.

Posted by: Rich | April 10, 2009, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

Joe was an old Scranton coal miner during the campaign, although he left when he was six. Must have been child labor

Posted by: jamescbuilder | April 10, 2009, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

karl rove calling someone a liar?… too funny! … you can never compare bidens quaffs with the bush administrations war crimes, never!

Posted by: earth_not_flat | April 10, 2009, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

Does anyone know where I can send Mr. Rove coloring books so he and W. will have something to do at the new Presidential library

Posted by: Paul | April 10, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

serial exaggerator vs. lying about a war … talk about hyperbole

Posted by: earth_not_flat | April 10, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

The smear on Anne Richardson by Rove for the benefit of “the boy who would be king” is all anyone needs to know about who virtually wrote the book on lying and apparently how to get away with it. He won’t even testify to anything he did “on the record” these past 8 years. Get off the “kick” republican sheeple, this man has more to do with our present economic plight than 99.999%. He should/would be jailed for what he’s done in almost every other country. Just the fact that he won’t testify “on the record” to anything authorities ask, should speak volumes to those who take his side, but it’s possible they might be taking the same drugs he’s on/be just as evil.

Posted by: phinnious | April 10, 2009, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

ace636, Karl Rove is hardly an impeccable character witness. You say Biden lied. I say Rove lied. It wouldn’t be the first time. Have some more TExas Koolaid yourself.

Posted by: Reality Check | April 10, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Sadly Mr. Rove much like Mr. Cheney still think they are relevant. It is appropriate to show respect for the Republic and our Democratic process to step off the stage when your time in power is done. Rove, Cheney and their ilk simply have no concept of respect or patriotism. It’s sad their ego’s prevent them from behaving like their former boss who has for the first time done the patriotic thing and stepped off the bully pulpit. Why is it the irrelevant are always the last to know?

Posted by: SFRussel1963 | April 10, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

How dare Rove. Biden is a piker compared to the President’s comment “I was stunned” on leno about the AIG bonuses. The Prsident had a better story than Joe.

Posted by: jamescbuilder | April 10, 2009, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

it’s amazing that people defend karl rove but call biden a liar… these crazy people are what’s left of the republican party and it’s quite enjoyable to see them squirming (except for those who are so paraniod and buying guns preparing for some mental war they have in their heads)

Posted by: earth_not_flat | April 10, 2009, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

THE Liars accused someone of lying? Give me a break. We are still dealing with the consequences of their bloody lie in Iraq.

Posted by: teddymaniac | April 10, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

Rove is spot on.
Biden is not only a liar he is a
proven plagarist!
Having this Buffoon as a Vice President
is a disgrace to this country.
Biden lives in his own delusional
world and makes up stories and
conversations as he goes.
President Obama continues to show extremely poor judgement in his cabinet
choices as well, Geithner the tax
cheat, Larry Summers, Eric Holder.

Posted by: reaganfan | April 10, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

I am a longtime Biden supporter. Met him Chicago once. They guy’s mouth can get out ahead of his brain, no doubt. Rove is a calculated political hatchet man. He will not hesitate to ruin another man’s career, should it interfere w the repub agenda. Rove’s chickens will come home to roost. And when they do, not too many folks will feel sorry. Also, is it just me, or does Rove’s face look like a bowl of vanilla pudding?

Posted by: mahi 200 | April 10, 2009, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

Let’s see, we have a choice between believing Joe Biden or Karl Rove? Hmm, do you think for a minute that Joe Biden, whatever else you think about him ,is not an honorable man.How many of you right wing nuts would even dare to make that statement about good old Karl.

Posted by: bill | April 10, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

“No, the GOP hasn’t lost.”
Posted by: marco | Apr 10, 2009 12:09:24 PM
________________
Hahahaha! really?

Posted by: crassandra | April 10, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

It’s SOOO funny seeing these neocons get all PC haughty about Biden being Biden.
You folks played the game rough for the last eight years. You lost. Worse, you taught us libs how to play smashmouth. If you folks had any dignity I would advise you to quit whining to preserve what little you had left.
Can’t wait for Palin and Joe the VP in 2012! Until then, keep the chuckles coming, as we look forward to those Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Gonzalez (and just maybe even you Karl boy) war criminal indictments!!

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

Why is it that dems can only talk about a fictional tax cut for people making less than 250,000 a year? Does anyone out there smoke? The majority of people who do make less than 100,000 a year and he just instated the largest single tax on them ever? Or how about the engery tax for cap and trade that will increase everyones taxes, the piddley little 400 tax credit he is promising and remember it is only a promise, will fall way short of covering any of the taxes he is going to levy on all of us.

Posted by: ROBERT | April 10, 2009, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

If Karl Rove knew where reality was, maybe he could lead someone there. Meanwhile, “no one is following.”

Posted by: jock59801 | April 10, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm

And saying “We know where the WMD’s are” isn’t considered lying? Bush Admin personnel have no room to call out anybody out. Their lies cost us thousands of American lives. I’ve been 2 too many USAF memorial services to forget that fact. Y does nayone even continue to put microphones in fron of these dudes faces? There has to be something better to report Rick.

Posted by: RJ | April 10, 2009, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Patriots support their President and country.
Shame on you idiots.
Rove, Cheney and the rest of the draft dodger swindlers have left their filthy imprint on the morale of the country.
The soldiers know.

Posted by: General lee Apathetic | April 10, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

We all know that Biden is a plagiarist.
We all know Obama has yet to keep his word on sunsghine laws, lobbists, tax cheats, terrorists, still waiting for the Blargo dead fish thug hatchet man. So yes they are lairs and they are also scum.

Posted by: Ramonna | April 10, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

The only way Biden can get to the whitehouss is on someone else’s coat tails. Does anyone remember why he failed in his bid for the presidency years ago: Plagerism. Yes he is a liar.

Posted by: John | April 10, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

Kellybelle22 said:
Last time I checked the record, Karl Rove had a longer list of “whopper” lies than Biden.
Kelly care to back that statement up
with some examples(facts)?
I mean specific comments that Rove
made that were proven to be
“whopper lies” not imagined or perceived
but proven!

Posted by: reaganfan | April 10, 2009, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

Obama just signed a patriot act bill much stronger than Bush. This new bill records all email, all phone conversations, all electronic databases, without any warrant. Suppose Bush did this? Where are the Bush haters now? Where is the press?

Posted by: heavenislikethis | April 10, 2009, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

I’m no Rove fan but Joe (Walter Mitty) Biden did eat at a diner for twenty years after it closed.

Posted by: NoMoreMr.NiceGuy | April 10, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

we have the Devil himself Karl Rove, trying to label someone else a liar? Wait, this wouldn’t be anything like the lies you coached GWB with regards to the two wars being fought, would it?

Posted by: Dan | April 10, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

General lee Apathetic:
When Exactly did President Obama
serve this country?
What service was he in?
Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines,
National Guard, Coast Guard?

Posted by: reaganfan | April 10, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

I think most of us can agree on this: Dems fear Rove, and Repubs fear Biden. Why? Repubs fear Biden will finally get on message and develop a substantial following. Dems fear Rove will get on television and call one of them a pedophile. Ex A-1994 AL Suprme Ct race. Rove hired to run repub’s campaign and starts rumor that sitting dem justice is a pedo. That was helpful. Thanks Karl.

Posted by: mahi 200 | April 10, 2009, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

Oh, Rove is my favorite weasel. He’s great. I thought the GOP knew we wore out on him long ago

Posted by: matthew | April 10, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Has anyone else noticed that Hannity constantly calls people names and that his followers and fans repeat those same names? Also, that he, Limbaugh, Michael Savage, etc. are totally obsessed with Obama? That’s where much of the distortions about everything comes from. Thinkers don’t believe a word of anything they say. It’s just juvenile, vented anger and hate mixed in with a lot of libel and slander. Of course if you didn’t want Obama to be POTUS, you love it and they know it.

Posted by: Mike from Carolina | April 10, 2009, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Even if you ignore the incriminating (in most rational people’s belief systems) behavior of fleeing from congress’ subpoenas, and then refusing to testify “on the record” when subdued or cornered, what do you have left… A man we truly know nothing about. Who even knows where he calls his home? I’d safely bet he owes a good amount of taxes to say the least. One thing’s for sure… He’s got a fat-face (child like) for his age (grey hair), worse than Newt Gremlin. And he seems to have an affection for wearing pin-striped suits with Benjamin Franklin like glasses. This is probably the extent of what most people can say they know for sure about Karl Rove. Yet, he spouts with impunity about whoever he wants with very little scrutiny from the press (bought and paid for). The late governor Anne Richardson of Texas developed cancer shortly after a Rove designed smear campaign designed to catapult Jr. onto “the bigger stage”. That’s a good place to start with this neocon fascist piece of crap.

Posted by: phinnious | April 10, 2009, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

Karl has the scruples of a gabon viper
[apologies to the reptile species]
..but he’s still not as effectively malicious or devious as Lee Atwater. Lee had a massive brain tumor helping him develop his own special psychotic talent.
Come on Rove, you can do better than second!
loser.

Posted by: crassandra | April 10, 2009, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

While it is true that Biden may stick his foot in his mouth, no one could know how to lie better or more than Rove. What an idiot. No one was following Bush, that is a fact. And if the former president was never left alone in meetings with anyone other than Darth “cheney” Vader, I don’t wonder why. That bumbling idiot could not string a sentence together much better than Palin, and he obviously needed to be “guided” in meetings. Rove should be in jail.

Posted by: Blynn | April 10, 2009, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

He’s got a fat-face (child like) for his age (grey hair), worse than Newt Gremlin.
_______________
Karl is a likely candidate for a massive myocardial infarction [heart attack]

Posted by: Dr. McMillan | April 10, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

Posted by: heavenislikethis
It’s ok for Obama to do everything above and beyond what Bush did, spend money, send people to war, break promises, alienate the groups that elected you, screw your rights etc. etc. etc. Didn’t you get the manual on how to behave during an Obama presidency?

Posted by: NoMoreMr.NiceGuy | April 10, 2009, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

It is so nice to know that Biden has no clue about ANYTHING. And you buffoons (opps, contingency plan liberals) still whine and complain about Palin.
Biden will surpass Quail and others as the most foolish looing and completely irrelevant V>Ps in history! He is off to a wonderful start, His boss gives him a series of tasks, and yet his public appearances are about everything under the sun (and table) EXCEPT those tasks!!!!!!
Good Work….”Fictious Joe” !!!!

Posted by: Mike_C | April 10, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Rove, Cheney, and Rush get into a boat, what happens? It sinks! Sound ironic? This pork is now for entertainment purposes only.

Posted by: matthew | April 10, 2009, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Rove said “I hate to say this, but Biden is a serial exaggerator.”
This is a clear lie. Rove loves to say that people are exaggerating. He loves to say bad things about people. He love to try to change the perspective. He has done this 13,042 times in the last year. Why would anyone hate to say the truth, it it really was the truth. He is so simpleminded. I am surprised so many Americans believe or even listen to him. I loved to say this!

Posted by: slim | April 10, 2009, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Karl is believed to be linked with a reported child molestor.

Posted by: damien | April 10, 2009, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Hakori:
Any one who consumes energy is going to have a huge increase in bills because of cap and trade. Also our money is going to be worth substantially less because of the inflation caused by printing money tied to nothing (1 trillion and counting). Additionaly I don’t have to make over 250K to know it’s stupid to penalize the producers in this economy. Try getting a job from a poor person.

Posted by: Chris | April 10, 2009, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Who else thinks ChicagBOB needs to get a life ?

Posted by: Rick | April 10, 2009, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

OMG….Biden has a history of lying. He got caught cheating in law school, and had to drop out of an earlier election after getting caught plagarizing the works of a British politician. Its unfortunate but true…he is a serial liar. Why shouldn’t Rove call him on it. And do you Obama fans justify the Vice President being such a liar just because you don’t like Karl Rove??? That’s stupid. I’d have more respect for you if you came down on Biden for lying instead of trying to justify it.

Posted by: websww | April 10, 2009, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

yea, first they [unsuccessfully] tried to bring down the highly popular President Obama, so now they’ll try the Vice President.
Really, really obvious you bloated false desperado [desperate-dough],
Rove.
everyone’s on to the game. including the christians [that you tried to swindle for your cause] know the truth.

Posted by: crassandra | April 10, 2009, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

Rove loves to say that people are exaggerating.
———————————-
DUH….Biden LIED, people called him on it. Rove was only one of those people.
For all you liberals who spend days here claiming Bush lied, Biden has been doing this his entire political career. Why are you not scolding Biden? so much for the idea of applying a standard of behavior across party lines – but then you libbies live by DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO !
He is the typical squeaky wheel who wants to greased.

Posted by: Mike_C | April 10, 2009, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

“Has anyone else noticed that Hannity constantly calls people names and that his followers and fans repeat those same names? Also, that he, Limbaugh, Michael Savage, etc. are totally obsessed with Obama? That’s where much of the distortions about everything comes from. Thinkers don’t believe a word of anything they say. It’s just juvenile, vented anger and hate mixed in with a lot of libel and slander. Of course if you didn’t want Obama to be POTUS, you love it and they know it.”
Posted by: Mike from Carolina |
—————————————
What’s amazing is that of all of the people on these boards that talk about Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Boortz, etc., it’s always Liberals. Occasionally, you’ll see a conservative or two mention them, but usually only jokingly or to tick off a Lib. For all of the hate the left claims to have for right wing radio, they know more about it than the right wing. If these radio hosts tick you guys off so much, stop listening to them and start listening to left wing radio. Oops, I forgot, there are no successfull left wing radio hosts :)

Posted by: Hakori | April 10, 2009, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

“yea, first they [unsuccessfully] tried to bring down the highly popular President Obama, so now they’ll try the Vice President.”
LOL, are you kidding, Biden is completely irrelevant. In truth he has ALWAYS been irrelevant. That is one of the reasons why he has always been exaggerating his comments. It appears in his own mind to make himself relevant again.

Posted by: Mike_C | April 10, 2009, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

Okay, so Rove is a liar too. Now we get to pick sides and pretend that our guy never tells a lie. Partisanship is such small minded crap, and anyone who thinks there’s purity on any side is just delusional.

Posted by: dan | April 10, 2009, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

Hakori,
for now, that is the marchin gorder for the Obamabots. The more they can make the debate about talk radio hosts, the more is keeps people for paying attention to the administration.
One of the issues that should have been followed by the media and was not is almost a forgotten thing now. What REALLY happened to the language in the stimulus bill? WHO really wrote that final draft? Why was the language changed?
Anyone who thinks that we need a government run universal healthcare system had better be able to provide answers to the above questions. If these buffoons cannot even control their own closed door meetings, what chance does does aNY healthcare system run by these same idiots have ?

Posted by: Mike_C | April 10, 2009, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

“LOL, are you kidding, Biden is completely irrelevant. In truth he has ALWAYS been irrelevant..”
__________________
have you been in a coma? ..or just reading FOX?
The Vice President of the United States was a United States Senator from Delaware from January 3, 1973 until his resignation on January 15, 2009, following his election to the Vice Presidency.
Not too irrelevant.

Posted by: Captains Courageous | April 10, 2009, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

If you take politics out of it, the people who were in the room with (then Pres. Bush) say this conversations didn’t happen. Mr. Bidden has been known for a few “fibs” in his time. I really think he “fibbed” this time. People may be mad at Mr. Rove, but that doesn’t make what Mr. Biden said the true.

Posted by: Jacque | April 10, 2009, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

Mike_C:”For all you liberals who spend days here claiming Bush lied, Biden has been doing this his entire political career. Why are you not scolding Biden? ”
Compare the consequences of Bush lying to warm-bucket-of-spit Biden lying. Most “liberals” live in reality where telling your wife a bad haircut looks just fine is a lie on par with falsely claiming to the local papers that your pastor molested you as a child.

Posted by: jhw539 | April 10, 2009, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm

It isn’t surprising that a college dropout [Rove] would to try to denounce a highly educated, respected former attorney, U.S. Senator and current Vice President.
It’s the same on the blogs, where the dumb & uneducated [along with the GOP paid bloggers] try to discredit those with progressive ideas, advanced degrees & credentials.
sad.

Posted by: gus amaral | April 10, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Someone says that “Obama is already a great president and Biden a great VP as well”. NO WAYS. Many Americans say that “Obama is already a great liar and Joe Biden is a great serial exaggerator. PERIOD.

Posted by: Unhappy W 3.6 Trillions Budget | April 10, 2009, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

“Patriots support their President and country.
Shame on you idiots.”
Thank you for calling out all the idiots that did nothing but bash Bush the last eight years.

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm

Why does Karl Rove hate America so much? Rush, too. they are actively trying to weaken America’s faith in government and institutions to make themselves look good. This makes us weaker and more vulnerable to attack.

Posted by: USMC | April 10, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

Whomever said Obama is already a great president just demonstrates the unfathomable lunacy of the left. Obama and Biden thus far have been unmitigated disasters. They have failed to keep campaign promises, failed to deal effectively with the economy, failed overseas, are failing miserably to deal with very real threats with Iran and N. Korea.

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

So anyone that criticizes the current administration “hates America”? Is the left really that far gone that it thinks no one sees the incredible hypocrisy of this stance? Especially when the left spend the last 8 years doing exactly the same thing? Absolutely stunning…

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

“You should not exaggerate and lie like this when you are the Vice President of the United States,” he added. — First and foremost he is a politician, it is their nature to exaggerate and lie… they can’t help it.

Posted by: NoSpin1600 | April 10, 2009, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

“It’s the same on the blogs, where the dumb & uneducated [along with the GOP paid bloggers] ” — How does one get a job as a paid blogger? Hell I can make up things just as good, if not better than most politicians.

Posted by: NoSpin1600 | April 10, 2009, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm

“Thank you for calling out all the idiots that did nothing but bash Bush the last eight years. ‘
Posted by: Tom | Apr 10, 2009 2:02:37 PM
———————————-
Tom
Are you saying that you continue to support the activities of the Bush administration?

Posted by: Karla | April 10, 2009, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm

gus amarol said:
It isn’t surprising that a college dropout [Rove] would to try to denounce a highly educated, respected former attorney, U.S. Senator and current Vice President.
Highly educated? He sure doesn’t
show it. Respected? By Democrats
maybe.
Biden is a Buffoon and a disgrace to
the U.S.A.!
In his 36 plus years as a U.S. Senator
Biden has few if any accomplishments
to point to.
Please name one.
Biden is a Liar and a plagarist.
Nuff Said.

Posted by: reaganfan | April 10, 2009, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

I present for your perusal a 2004 AP story, is this once again plagiarism?
October 20, 2004 8:30 a.m. EST
By MARY DALRYMPLE, Associated Press Writer
WATERLOO, Iowa – Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry is questioning whether President Bush is the exemplary leader he claims to be and points to the war in Iraq as evidence that he is not.
“This president likes to say he’s a leader,” Kerry said in remarks prepared for delivery Wednesday. “Mr. President, look behind you. There’s no one there. It’s not leadership if no one follows.”
Kerry said U.S. leaders must stop treating other countries with “contempt,” driving them away from a role in Iraqi security and reconstruction. He also repeated charges that the president’s conduct has made the United States weaker, not stronger, in the war on terrorism.
“America is fighting and must win two wars. The war in Iraq, and the war on terror,” Kerry said. “Iraq was a profound diversion from that war and the battle against our greatest enemy, Osama bin Laden and the al Qaeda network. But now that we’re fighting two wars, we must and we will prevail in both.”
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/1098275402

Posted by: Fred Hambrecht | April 10, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

If you believe that Obama didn’t bow then you surely believe that Biden is telling the truth. This administration’s words and actions do not match with regard to what is happening now, so why should we believe the words about past actions are any more truthful!

Posted by: Tea Party Patty | April 10, 2009, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

My money is on.. Biden- to kick Roves fat butt while rove hollers Suuueeeee..rove is just looking for a job besides paper delivery boy..and thought maybe he could get a posistion as Rushs body double..

Posted by: cowgirl | April 10, 2009, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

“Tom
Are you saying that you continue to support the activities of the Bush administration?” Karla
I supported some of their polices, others I did not. But that is irrelevant to the point here – that Obama supporters now equate any criticism of Obama policies as “America haters”, even though they did the exact same thing for 8 years. The hypocrisy of the left is beyond belief…

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

cowgirl, Rove has multiple jobs, he doesn’t need another. However, the pathological liar Biden will be looking for a job in 4 years…

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

cowgirl — I am not a fan of either Biden or Rove but that is funny!!!!!

Posted by: NoSpin1600 | April 10, 2009, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

Tea Party Patty — I saw a small portion of this on the news.. what was deal? Did Obama actually bow to another leader? Why would he do that?

Posted by: NoSpin1600 | April 10, 2009, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Rove’s account is being backed up by former Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer, who said he reviewed notes of Bush’s White House meetings with Biden before talking to Fox about the exchanges.
“{I never recall} Biden saying any of that,” Fleischer said. “{I find it odd }that he said he met with him alone all the time. _{I don’t think} that’s true.”
UPDATE: ABC’s Matthew Jaffe, who covered the Biden vice-presidential campaign for ABC, reminds us that Biden told the same story regularly on the trail.”
_____Sorry but” I don’t think,” and I don’t recall” don’t sound like statements that would stand up in a court of law…someones just passing gas…rove and fleischner in a duet perhaps????

Posted by: cowgirl | April 10, 2009, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm

I am guess some of you are not familiar with the customs and protocol of other countries..How embarrassing would it be for our president not to know and adhere to their customs on his visit there…Of course i realise republicans think its pefectly fine to throw up on a prime minister, or fart in the queens precense like GWB

Posted by: cowgirl | April 10, 2009, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

Obama violated protocol. American presidents do not bow before foreign dignitaries, whether they are princes, kings, or emperors. Right-wing blogs went nuts over Obama’s deep bow, but left-wing blogs and mainstream publications ignored the affront to American tradition.

Posted by: NoSpin1600 | April 10, 2009, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

“UPDATE: ABC’s Matthew Jaffe, who covered the Biden vice-presidential campaign for ABC, reminds us that Biden told the same story regularly on the trail.”
Which just proves the point that Biden is indeed a serial liar. Take note of the post above where Kerry is attributed to saying the exact same thing. Perhaps Biden doesn’t always know whom he is?

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

Not only did Obama bow to the king of Saudi Arabia, he then has the audacity to lie about it. Gee, this really is “change we can believe in.”

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm

Joe Biden has a history of never letting the truth get in the way of a good story, and to deny this is foolish, as much of his deranged rhetoric is available online, if you really want to search. The Democratic excuse of “Joe just being Joe” is no longer acceptable when he crosses the line to make up stories about the former President. There is nothing funny or “folksy” about a pathological liar a step away from the White House, and perhaps Karl Rove would not have to now call him on it if the MSM had done their job during the campaign and called Biden to task when he lied over and over again.

Posted by: Babs | April 10, 2009, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

“There is nothing funny or “folksy” about a pathological liar a step away from the White House,”
Yeah, I’m glad Cheney is gone too!

Posted by: Amy in Maine | April 10, 2009, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

Being called a “liar” by Karl Rove immediately qualifies one to be canonized as a Saint – even while still living – doesn’t it???
I think Karl Rove and Sarah Palin should both go hunting with Cheney: the outcome could make for some exciting bookmaking.

Posted by: Jordan | April 10, 2009, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm

considering how many of you republicans “Miss State” the “facts”..this blog would be fairly empty if we used your criteria…and kicked your butts off here for mistating the facts..LOL

Posted by: cowgirl | April 10, 2009, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

Once again libs attack the messenger because they can’t defend the message. It’s getting old, folks, but Alinsky and the Obama White House are proud of you.

Posted by: Babs | April 10, 2009, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Come to think of it..If this is ALL rove has to complain about in this administration..everything must be pretty smooth…And hey its not our fault..historians and the american people think you are the worst administration in the history of America..you did all that without any help from Joe Biden…LOL..truth hurts huh?

Posted by: cowgirl | April 10, 2009, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

At a 27% approval rating..Biden was right..no one was following Bush…so whats the problem??/ wasn’t a lie according to statistics…

Posted by: cowgirl | April 10, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

Seems like the chamber pot is calling the stew kettle “soiled”! Rove is just looking for someone else to “Plame”.

Posted by: Jordan | April 10, 2009, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

Well cowgirl, just hold your horses. In four years, the Obama admin will very easily take the title from Bush. He’s already well on his way!

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

Gee, Obama is already the most divise president in modern history – after only three months? And 60% of Americans STILL think the country is heading in the wrong direction – well done, Obama!

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

“but left-wing blogs and mainstream publications ignored the affront to American tradition.”
Because it’s not important.
Hello? Don’t make me feel sorry for the Republican Party. I can’t believe this is what they have come to: ridiculing President Obama over a gesture. Oh boy. Better start the impeachment trial.

Posted by: Amy in Maine | April 10, 2009, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

Biden – like Obama – at least seems to know how to speak and spell English, and how to think, walk and chew gum. That puts him miles ahead of Bush and so many Bush apologists such as those posting here! As for Rove, he seems to be blinded by the light in the rear-view mirror! He needs to pull over and stop.

Posted by: Jordan | April 10, 2009, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

Democrats have incredibly short memories. Are they really this mentally deficient? Remember all the criticisms of Bush’s verbal faux pas? But I guess it isn’t important when one’s “hero” does the same thing. What was that again about not knowing how to say something in “Austrian”? Hilarious.

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

Karl Rove calling someone a liar, guess he would know what one looks like.
This hypocrite really has no room to throw any stones.
Hey Babs, how are you doing?

Posted by: Darryl the Contractor | April 10, 2009, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Some one tell Butter ball to go to Hell!

Posted by: Angie In PA | April 10, 2009, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm

Biden has been making it up his whole career. Every time he ran for office in Delaware he had to defend his plagiarism charges when he was in High school and College. He has been copying off the best and brightest his whole career. He survived in Delaware on the sympathy vote for the loss of his 1st wife and child, which was a pity. He is just another politician which by definition must lie to survive. If he spoke his mind and told the truth a let you know how much he doesn’t know, no one would ever vote for him. Why do you think Obama picked him? Because he is one of the few that has accomplished less than himself! Enjoy.

Posted by: Phil | April 10, 2009, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

Don’t any of you conservatives know how to spell OR type??
The point being made is that rove is a liar, so one always assunes that whatever words dribble out of his venomous mouth are of course going to be LIES! Actually, that applies to Ari Fleisher, Spokesliar-in-Chief for Bush as well.

Posted by: paula | April 10, 2009, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

“He has been copying off the best and brightest his whole career.” In the IT business, we call that billion-dollar entrepreneurship! That is precisely how a well-known Redmond firm got its start and has conducted business ever since!
Maybe there is something good to be said for “copying off the best and the brightest”; it SURE AS HECK beats explanifying what you haven’t a clue about using “Texas terminogragy” – or routinely copying off Dumb and Dumber!

Posted by: Jordan | April 10, 2009, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

Looks like plagerizing Biden ain’t no
slouch in the lying department either.
Rove told the truth. No need to call Rove or anyone else names because Joe got busted.

Posted by: ceeLeelee | April 10, 2009, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

to all,
how dare karl roves critize anyone. when he and bush caused the deaths and murders of over 4,000 18-35 year old kids, and thousands more who are wounded. and hundred of thousands of iraqi men, woman, and babies that were murdered. and its his fault.
karl roves is a murder and he’s the one, that is a liar. ask him why they didn’t land the plane while people were dying on the side of the street in new orleans during the katrina ordeal, he was celebrating john mccains birthday at the airport with george bush and taking pictures like if they were on a picnic. these republicans doesnt care about anyone but themselves.
president obama if you do not file charges against these people, then all those people would have died, will have died in vane.
patricia

Posted by: patricia ward | April 10, 2009, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

Dems won, Repuks lost, Dems won, Repuks lost, Dems won, Repuks lost, Dems won, Repuks lost, Dems won, Repuks lost, Dems won, Repuks lost, AND THAT’S NO LIE!!!

Posted by: Richard in Texas | April 10, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

Oh, rich! The topmost LIAR OF ALL LIARS advising Joe Biden who was not lying, that he should not lie!!! In case anyone out there hasn’t made the connection, ROVE IS A LYING REPUBLICAN!!!

Posted by: karen | April 10, 2009, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

dIt is a known, documented fact that Joe Biden is a fan of plagiarizing and fictitious exaggerations. Regardless of anyone’s feelings towards Rove or Bush administration, Biden’s past leaves him in no shape to make commentaries that are at best, unfounded, and at worst, out right lies. His past history of plagiarizing and elaborations should give any person pause to take his word on much of anything subtantial. His well known plagiarizing word for word of British politician Neil Kinnock’s speech is widely regarded as the “killer” of his 1988 campaign. Also of note:
“”Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., a Democratic Presidential candidate, was accused of plagiarism while in his first year at Syracuse University Law School, academic officials familiar with Mr. Biden’s record said today. [....]
According to the people familiar with the record of the 44-year-old Senator from Delaware, he was called before the disciplinary body at the law school during his first year because of charges that he had committed plagiarism on a paper. Mr. Biden entered the school in 1965 and graduated in 1968.
An academic official said Mr. Biden had been found guilty, “threw himself on the mercy of the board” and promised not to repeat the offense.
As one noted journalist noted: Vice Pres. Cheney is arrogant; Vice Pres Biden is arrogant and simply stupid. Amazing that stupidity falls on both sides of the fence in DC.

Posted by: DCJournalist | April 10, 2009, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

Do your homework Karen. The lying in this instance is solely at Biden’s door. Those in DC familiar with the past administration know that Biden was never privy to Bush’s counsel nor was Biden made available to offer it. In so many of his exaggerations, Biden simply feels the need to give himself illusions of grandeur. As much as Bush and Co were despised and journalists loved going after them, this time Biden is the liar. Your bias is showing. Factual history bears out Biden’s penchant for his elaborated past and love for plagiarizing.

Posted by: DCJournalist | April 10, 2009, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

Joe Biden LIED.
Biden made a conscious, deliberate choice to attempt to take ownership of words which were actually uttered by Kerry.
Whatever Rove, Cheney, Bush, etc. did or did not do does not excuse Biden lying.
It is what it is.

Posted by: ceeLeelee | April 10, 2009, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm

Biden is known for stetching the truth, check out why he dropped out of the last presidential race. I wouldn’t let this guy alone in a room with my dog let alone the President of the United States.

Posted by: Roger | April 10, 2009, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm

“Don’t any of you conservatives know how to spell OR type??
The point being made is that rove is a liar, so one always assunes that whatever words dribble out of his…” paula
“Assunes”? Paula, don’t you know how to even spell? Sheesh. The real point is about Biden’s lies. Please try to keep up…

Posted by: Tom | April 10, 2009, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm

I heard Presidential hopeful for the Democratic nomination, Joe Biden, repeat the same conversation!
Additionally, in an interview with Rolling Stone magazine June,2004, Senator Biden said, “About six months ago, the president said to me, ‘Well, at least I make strong decisions, I lead.’ I said, ‘Mr. President, look behind you. Leaders have followers. No one’s following. Nobody.’”
Question: Why didn’t Karl Rove and other Bush Administration officials go beserk when Joe Biden repeated the same conversation time after time?
Why? Because Rove and the others presently feigning indignation – over the airwaves – are simply posturing.
The Republican Party is floundering; members can only spew invectives in place of legitimate ideas or solutions for the many problems facing the country today.

Posted by: Denise | April 10, 2009, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

Dear ceeLeelee,
In order to get those murderous bums out of office, I would excuse Bidens lies any day of the week, so there.

Posted by: Richard in Texas | April 10, 2009, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm

Anyone who doesn’t know that Biden has always been a habitual liar is completely clueless and probably shouldn’t be wasting anyone’s time by posting comments.

Posted by: putinsweasel | April 10, 2009, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

Maybe many of you are too young to remember, but Lyin’ and Stealin’ Joe lost his presidential bid back in 1992 I think when it was revealed that he had plagarized on an assignment in law school — a fundamental violation of the student honor code. Theft, after all, is theft.
More recently, he was caught stealing, er plagarizing again by copying the speech of a Canadian politician, taking the Canadian’s story and repeating it as if the story were his (Joe’s). Joe is a liar, but a sad one. On capital hill I understand the standing joke is to divide by 2 anything that he says.

Posted by: ProtectFreedom | April 10, 2009, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

For the eight years Bush was in office there was one thing you could count on and it was not being truthful. Lying was continuous and never ending. You could never get Rove to testify under oath. Why would that be? The man is a pathological liar and he is one of the most ruthless hateful people in America. I would never believe his word over another person, certainly not over Vice President Biden who happens to be Catholic.

Posted by: Vicki | April 10, 2009, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm

Um, Richard -
They are already out of office.
I am not willing to excuse lies – Biden or any other representative should not be in the habit of lying to the American people. It is better to say nothing at all rather than tell an outright lie.
He will not get a pass from me on this matter. There was just no need for Biden to tell that lie.

Posted by: ceeLeelee | April 10, 2009, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

ROVE spelled forwards and backwards translates to OVER.

Posted by: JoAnn | April 10, 2009, 7:50 pm 7:50 pm

Isn’t Biden overdue for his annual MRI brain scan to determine if he still has one?

Posted by: James | April 10, 2009, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

Hehe…the neocons are nutz. Rove ‘was’ part of the biggest and worst liars in history. Killing 4,000 plus Americans for their self-serving needs….Biden didn’t lie….that happened….Rove wouldn’t know, he was too busy running from his testimony on the hill. Biden’s been in Washington for years and nobody has ever said he was a “liar”, but Rove. Rove? Can you imagine that ‘thing’ calling someone a liar…..He’s a nobody, washed up and a liar…want to still be important.

Posted by: sngeorgia | April 10, 2009, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm

All you Bush haters were so supportive the President Bush when he was in office with the constant demonstrations and the attacks that he lied about WMDs and stole the 2000 election. Neither of which he did. And the Dems are so hypocritical about not supporting Bush in his illegal war except for all those quotes from them supporting the invasion of Iraq and take down of Saadam. Well the tables are turned and it is now time for us supporters of Pres Bush to point out all the lies of Obama and his VP, his broken campaign promises, his socialist agenda that will bankrupt the country, his plans to all the UN to rule by proxy and all of the corruption in the Democratic party, namely Rangel, Murtha, Frank, Waters, Jackson and Dodd and Pelosi and Reid who protect them. Well now you can listen to us criticize Obama’s policies at every turn when they are not in the best interest of the country. That is what the loyal opposition does. The Republicans and moderate Dems are the only ones that can prevent the socialist policies of Obama and Pelosi that are sure to drive the economy down.

Posted by: jschmidt | April 10, 2009, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

rove is a poor excuse for a man….see what network he went on….so not anybody! A big faced red fat liar. This thing has a following….the stupid people. Now he will be running to bank just as Rush and girlie man Beck…selling distortion, lies, militia and anti-americans to the “goons”. How sad for the followers who are so disappointed with their own lives that they have to be angry, just angry at anything and gravitates toward other angry “goons”, that keeps them angry and them rich! Suckers.

Posted by: sngeorgia | April 10, 2009, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

For his part, Beck, Fox’s conspiracy-theorist-in-chief, managed to escape his “doom room” — Beck’s words — where he regularly hosts survivalist fringe characters prophesying our impending demise as a nation, long enough to encourage his viewers to come “[c]elebrate with Fox News” at any of four “FNC Tax Day Tea Parties.”
It’s sounding more and more like a nerdy third-grader begging classmates to show up for his birthday party: “Come on, guys! There’s gonna be pizza and a clown — you’ve gotta come!”
media matters:
In all seriousness, it’s one thing for a news outlet to cover a political protest — that’s pretty logical. It’s quite another for a news outlet to repeatedly encourage its viewers to attend a political protest. Far from practicing legitimate journalism, it’s blatantly and unabashedly political

Posted by: cowgirl | April 10, 2009, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm

Isn’t it TREASON to out a CIA agent? especially when you do it because they are a political enemy?? Disgusting anti American Commie SOBs and that includes anyone who is so anti american to defend them…you are pukes not worthy of this country, take your Roves and Your Cheneys and get the hell out…and take your pigs and chickens with you, along with your closely related wife and inbred kids, and your hounddog with fleas-bunch of frickin redkneck, noknecks…I am glad I got that off my chest…

Posted by: cowgirl | April 10, 2009, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

Conspiracy-theorist-in-chief? Surely you are talking about the blithering idiot and failed sportscaster Keith Olbermann. That nitwit actually believed the U.S. government was behind 9/11 – you know, the moronic LIHOP and MIHOP lunatics. No wonder the poor fool gets trounced in the ratings.
Sure Fox is biased to the right, but at least they put opposing viewpoints on, unlike MSNBC. One presumes they are doing so poorly in the ratings they are now just flailing away. Pitiful, really.

Posted by: bobnj | April 10, 2009, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm

Sounds like cowgirl is describing the Obama folks – tax frauds/cheats and Clinton hasbeens. Fortunately this bad dream will be over in four years and we’ll get our country back. We can only hope there is anything left.

Posted by: bobnj | April 10, 2009, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm

Joe Biden is a disgrace of a VP. Not only is he without doubt the dumbest VP ever, making even Dan Quayle seem intelligent, but the boob continues to put his foot in his mouth. Obviously president Obama only chose him because of his age and years in the senate, nothing more. Obama is not stupid, he will keep Joe on a very short leash and give the idiot nothing of substance to do.

Posted by: Jimdog | April 10, 2009, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Richard in Texas:
You are a typical Liberal Democrat.
You can’t back up your post with facts
so you resort to name-calling.
We may be Repukes as you say but you
are an ignorant A-Hole!

Posted by: reaganfan | April 10, 2009, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Joe Biden is a habitual liar and is an embarrassment to our country. I wish Democrats would hold their leaders to a higher standard.

Posted by: Pat | April 10, 2009, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

By now we alll know that Mr Hussein Obama and Biden are liars.
Biden needs medication that is a fact.

Posted by: picogg | April 11, 2009, 12:39 am 12:39 am

Biden’s latest chimerical revelation was plagiarized from a John Kerry speech in Waterloo Iowa in 2004.
I offer for your perusal the item below.
October 20, 2004 8:30 a.m. EST
By MARY DALRYMPLE, Associated Press Writer
WATERLOO, Iowa – Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry is questioning whether President Bush is the exemplary leader he claims to be and points to the war in Iraq as evidence that he is not.
“This president likes to say he’s a leader,” Kerry said in remarks prepared for delivery Wednesday. “Mr. President, look behind you. There’s no one there. It’s not leadership if no one follows.”

Posted by: Fred Hambrecht | April 11, 2009, 1:45 am 1:45 am

Yeah, I somehow have difficulty believing that Karl Rove objects to Vice Presidents exaggerating things in general, much less objects to Vice Presidents lying.
There seems to be quite a bit of Freudian projection going on in politics now… despite things occurring during the Bush administration such as Americans being spied upon by the government and people getting tortured in secret prisons, I keep hearing people say things like “Obama is tearing up the Constitution!”
…and this is supposedly about rich people having to pay Cold-War-era taxes to support things like VA hospitals and special education in Alaska, but not getting the defense industry spending they want along with it? Yeah, so those people aren’t actually very concerned about the Constitution at all, just like Rove isn’t concerned at all about Vice Presidents lying.

Posted by: Mr. Hand | April 11, 2009, 2:43 am 2:43 am

Fatboy Rove is a PATHOLOGOICAL liar! This lowlive belongs in Gitmo with Cheney. Rightwingers always support criminals like Rove.

Posted by: AJ | April 11, 2009, 8:41 am 8:41 am

Ever notice how the Rightwingers heros are fat,ugly and love trashing our Constitution and only support the wealthy. Their motto is truly: greed is good! Many commit criminal acts. Rush and Rove are two that come to mind. Joe Biden is 100% right! Rightwingers can’t fathom they are like Dinosaurs: a dying species! True losers!

Posted by: AJ | April 11, 2009, 8:46 am 8:46 am

Why does the American people continue to send the same liars, cheaters, and crooks to Congress ? The answer, we’re not very smart. Most voters vote Republican or Democrat because their Daddy did, the person has been in office since God was a Kid, or some other “emotional” attachment. If every Congressman and Senator was removed from office for taking illicit money over $100,000 the halls of congress would be empty.

Posted by: fieldon2 | April 11, 2009, 8:58 am 8:58 am

Hmmm,looks like some people can’t deal with Biden lying.
It is ok for Biden to lie because other people lie.
Got it!!!

Posted by: ceeLeelee | April 11, 2009, 9:10 am 9:10 am

Rove got it right. Plugs is a liar stand up chuck

Posted by: daniel | April 11, 2009, 10:26 am 10:26 am

I think it’s very interesting that liberals protecting Joe Biden justify his behavior by pointing out the lies/mistakes of others. Last time I checked, two wrongs don’t make a right and failing to acknowledge lunacy because you’re in protection mode is in itself insane.
Long live the Emperor and his New Clothes. Long may you live in a fantasy world where wrong is right (or is it left?)

Posted by: MaryS | April 11, 2009, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Joe Biden is a joke!

Posted by: jodyrae4 | April 11, 2009, 10:32 am 10:32 am

beau…so Biden, Obama and all democrats I suppose have no religion ergo no morals. Well the best I remember Bush did have religion but that didn’t stop him from torture and lying a nation into war. Do you consider torture and war based on lies moral? If you do, maybe you should consider switching religions or becoming an athiest.

Posted by: hakori | April 11, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am

ABC, people from FOX are not news. This article should be in your TABLOID section.

Posted by: newz4i | April 11, 2009, 11:21 am 11:21 am

US Code 18, Part 1, Chapter 115
Section 2382. Misprision of Treason
“Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.”
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/thy-speech-shall-whisper-out-of-the-dust/

Posted by: ghost | April 11, 2009, 11:27 am 11:27 am

ABC, Biden and other Obama administration officials lying is not news. Just the status quo from the most corrupt and inept administration in modern history. God help us.

Posted by: jimbo | April 11, 2009, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm

WE HAVE THE WORST PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE EVER.

Posted by: ROD | April 11, 2009, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Are you kidding Rod?!?!? Obama is worse than Bush? Not by a long shot. Obama is certainly not perfect, but the Bush regime was such a momunmental disaster that we may never see a worse administration ever.

Posted by: Jim | April 11, 2009, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

Are you serious Jim? Obama has only been in office for 3 months and he’s been an unmitigated failure on all fronts. Obama could very well do more damage both at home and abroad in 4 years than Bush ever did in 8.

Posted by: Jayne | April 11, 2009, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

The left’s hypocrisy is absolutely silly. Remember when a 400 billion deficit was a tragedy that our children’s children will have to deal with? Now with president Obama at the helm, they suddenly see no problem with a 2 trillion deficit, and at best, an 800 billion deficit after 4 years. Incredible!

Posted by: Alice C. | April 11, 2009, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

Hehehehehehe….I wonder if ol’ Joe was drunk (again) when he said this one. I swear, watching this administration is kind of like watching a fricking cartoon! Only this cartoon is scary…

Posted by: TxBoB | April 11, 2009, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm

Karl Rove needs to find a decent rug to hide under. The only difference between Rove and his former boss are about 50 pounds. The only issue pressing George juniors presidential legacy is his moronic caricature of saint-hood. 50 cent has more street creds than these 2 roving crack heads.

Posted by: Chance | April 11, 2009, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

I’d take Rove’s word over Biden’s any day–it’s not like good ole Joe hasn’t stretched the truth before!!!

Posted by: ssmith | April 11, 2009, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

Libs, when confronted with bad news about one of their own even if it is the truth, start reciting the litany against George W. Bush. I ask you, what has Bush got to do with the fact that Joe Biden is a pathological liar? And why is it wrong to call him out when he lies? Certainly there was no compunction to hold the tongue when Bush was president. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Posted by: MaryS | April 11, 2009, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

Biden is a proven IDIOT! Just look at some of his past comments. It’s truly frightening that he’s second in command (and Pelosi is 3rd). He can’t be trusted with anything, let alone trusted to provide a balanced account of his interaction with President Bush. The entire Obama administration is trying to blame all their shortcomings on the previous administration. Enough–the American people know better! Biden–SHUT UP!

Posted by: SSS | April 11, 2009, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

Well well, it’s so nice to hear from the heartland. So many informed citizens throwing down their gauntlets.
Truthfully none of us will ever no the absolute truth of the matter. I’d have to say Rove, a dispicable malignancey whos win at all cost and by any means necessary “political tactics”is a blight within our democracy,is a bigger liar than Fletcher Reede. There is a difference in a guy who embellishes a true story to make it sound a little better and a guy whos whole story is a lie. ie like lieing about weapons of mass destruction and links to a terrorist group then starting a war and causing the deaths of thousands of people. Or outing a CIA agent because their husband didn’t support those lies and in fact had truth to the contrary thus causing the deaths of operatives that were also exposed due to her outing. How about lieing about the job performances of attorneys working for the Attorney Generals office because these fired attorneys didn’t carry out politcally motivated actions against people Rove wanted actions taken against.
You might say there is a history of liars in the Bush 2 Whitehouse’s top advisor , vice president, and appointed secretaries. Just maybe a history of liars

Posted by: chuckster | April 11, 2009, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Interesting how someone like chuchster who talks about liars spews so many lies attempting to make his case. Not a convincing way to make an argument!

Posted by: james c | April 11, 2009, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm

obviously james c is a ditto head and did not give one shread of his non exsistant proof to support his claim of my lies. ‘
tell me when were the weapons of mass destruction found?
Didn’t Scotter Libby pay the price to make the Valeri Plame embarassment to the Busheys go away?
And wasn’t the improper dismissal of U.S. attorneys approved by A.G. Alberto Gonzales one in a list of controversies that forced his resignation?
Let me help you with the answers “james c”…Never, YES and YES.
If you want to accuse me of lieing at least support it with some form of factual information. And just so you know… what you, “james c” think or what your gut feeling is, is not factual or evidence of truth. Like a nice gal’ from the bluegrass state once said, they’re just some words out your mouth

Posted by: chuckster | April 11, 2009, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

Karl Rove’s comments aside, you have to remember that Joe Biden is somewhat notorious for hyperbole and exaggeration.Let us not forget he dropped out of a presidential campaign for plagarizing a Neil Kinnock speech.
If Joe says this happened, he should back it up…what date was it?
It is interesting someone here posted that AP article of Kerry’s near word for word of Biden’s comment.

Posted by: J House | April 11, 2009, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

The single most interesting thing about Obama and Biden’s constant critiques at the former administration, Bush particularly.Why?
Is it because they need to define an enemy, and there is no one in the Republican leadership right now to point the finger at ? (notice they first went after RW talk radio pundits, like Rush and Hannity).
When that doesn’t work, blame the former President for all our troubles!
Of course, Obama can only blame him for so long…most of the public will get wise to it a year into this.

Posted by: J House | April 11, 2009, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

Look who’s calling the Vice President a liar.
Didn’t he himself commit prejury in the CIA leak case?
Better watch what you say Mr. Rove because people don’t forget. Best for you to stay out of the media before you get burned.

Posted by: Fran | April 12, 2009, 12:19 am 12:19 am

Obviously chuckster is the usual dimwitted, uneducated, uninformed liberal. To wit:
“I’d have to say Rove, a dispicable malignancey whos win at all cost and by any means necessary “political tactics”is a blight within our democracy,is a bigger liar than Fletcher Reede.”
Lie number one.
“…ie like lieing about weapons of mass destruction and links to a terrorist group then starting a war and causing the deaths of thousands of people.”
Rove did that? Lie number two.
“Or outing a CIA agent because their husband didn’t support those lies and in fact had truth to the contrary thus causing the deaths of operatives that were also exposed due to her outing.”
Wow, two lies in this one. Proof that Rove “outed” Plame? He was never even indicted. And deaths of CIA operatives because of Plame’s “outing”? Laughable!
“How about lieing about the job performances of attorneys working for the Attorney Generals office because these fired attorneys didn’t carry out politcally motivated actions against people Rove wanted actions taken against.”
Lie number five.
Gee chuckster, you sure are a liar. No wonder you vainly attempt to defend Joe Biden’s blatant lies.

Posted by: James C | April 12, 2009, 1:18 am 1:18 am

One more of chuckster’s laughable lies for the road…
“And wasn’t the improper dismissal of U.S. attorneys approved by A.G. Alberto Gonzales one in a list of controversies that forced his resignation? ”
No. Yet another lie. Rove originally planned to resign in 2006, later deciding to stay with Bush another year. He was not forced into resigning in any way. Sheesh, chuckster, where on earth do you get your information, from Democratic Underground? No wonder you have no idea what is really going on!

Posted by: James C | April 12, 2009, 1:27 am 1:27 am

Even Obama knows Biden gets a little confused sometimes. Democrat idiots

Posted by: Kelly | April 12, 2009, 4:06 am 4:06 am

Rove is a liar. He’s a sleezy political operative. Pleasseee

Posted by: david | April 12, 2009, 5:29 am 5:29 am

Can anyone tell me why Karl Rove hasn’t been indicted by a grand jury for his role in outing CIA agent Valerie Plame? And how did he get away without being arrested for contempt of Congress when he refused to obey a subpoena?

Posted by: JL | April 12, 2009, 6:46 am 6:46 am

The Bush people are all criminals and yet they feel free to go on the offensive and feel free to be unpatriotic when they accused everyone who spoke out against them of being unpatriotic. Can anyone tell me why the criminals who engineered our current national economic nightmare feel so emboldedned? A lot of them ought to be frog-marched over to the International Court in the Hague and tried, like the Serbian dogs were tried, for their crimes against humanity.

Posted by: steve_detroit | April 12, 2009, 6:49 am 6:49 am

“James C” You can say what chuckster said about Rove is a “lie” but you have not adduced any evidence to back up your claim that what was said about Rove are according to you, “lies”. In fact Karl Rove did have a role in outing Valerie Plame. Karl Rove did participate in Bush’s administration and directed many of the dirty tricks against Bush’s political critics and did support the War in Iraq with all the attendant falsehoods about WMD’s put out by Bush Administration. Rove was never indicted for Valerie Plame’s outing because other people took the fall for him and Cheney. And because Bush controlled the political scene and hid Rove behind ‘executive privilege’ from the prying eyes of Congress. So you get YOUR facts straight, Limbaugh-dittoer. I am sick of you reich-wingers. Sick to death of your outrageous BS, especially after the mess YOU made of this country. Shut the “F” up with your usual “because I say it, that makes it true.” Give us actual evidence. Not your repetition of “lie” “lie” ‘lie’. Says YOU.

Posted by: antonio_glanderas | April 12, 2009, 7:02 am 7:02 am

Wow, some of you guys are simply amazing! Somehow, if we can just tie it all back to Bush it’ll make it okay. Some simple facts for the simple minds. First, Bush is out of office, which would also include Rove not having anything but an opinion. Second, we have elected a moron for president. Third, we have elected a drunken, pathological liar as vice president, and this has been proven over time….just research it. Fourth, we have a ding bat idiot as speaker, who would be third in line for the presidency.
So I suppose we should all just get over it. I mean, we are currently being held hostage by a handful of thug pirates while president Barry flies in a chef to fix him pizza, Biden is lying again like that is something new, and I’ll bet some of us are wondering how we got here. Now hold on while I bow to a Muslim king, find a mosque with an Easter service, and gimme another bite of that pizza!

Posted by: TxBoB | April 12, 2009, 7:26 am 7:26 am

Joe Biden is an embarrassment as a VP. Unless he is reading from cards or a teleprompter he makes up stories and says idiotic stuff. It is about time Biden as well as Obama, keep their mouth shut about Bush.

Posted by: sanjose56 | April 12, 2009, 9:12 am 9:12 am

OMGosh!!! Rove!… this is so funny… Only on Fox news would Rove have any credibility…”a serial exaggerator” LOL… “A made up fictional world, he ought to get out of it and get back to reality”…Considering the Source being Rove himself… That’s just hilarious and really pathetic… as in pathological liar…
These guys, Rove, Cheney and the like…are just trying to re-write history because they know how bad the Cheney/Bush years really were. Pathetic and sad that they seem so disconnected from any kind of sane reality…
If they would take the Republican rule of “just do nothing”, history might fix itself… As in “just do nothing” and the economy might just fix itself,,, Oh, and don’t forget to give more tax cuts to rich and to big corporations… so you know,,, it can trickle…once they get big enough, once they get all they want,,, it will trickle down this way won’t it…??? I mean that’s surely better than all this Spending… Right?
Yea Right…

Posted by: theafalcon200 | April 12, 2009, 9:39 am 9:39 am

u dumb liberals, listen. If Biden is a liar, then he’s a liar. Do u know what lying is? Lying is saying something that didn’t happen. So stop with the happy faced fascism already. Criticizing the Obama administration isn’t criticizing GOD!

Posted by: dumb liberals | April 12, 2009, 10:06 am 10:06 am

“Can anyone tell me why Karl Rove hasn’t been indicted by a grand jury for his role in outing CIA agent Valerie Plame? And how did he get away without being arrested for contempt of Congress when he refused to obey a subpoena?”
Occam’s Razor – because he’s not guilty. Sheesh, liberals sure are idiots.

Posted by: James C | April 12, 2009, 10:50 am 10:50 am

Looks like antonio glanderas is another uneducated, liberal nitwit.
“Rove was never indicted for Valerie Plame’s outing because other people took the fall for him and Cheney.”
I guess you don’t even know what a fact is – that is your opinion, nothing more.
“Sick to death of your outrageous BS, especially after the mess YOU made of this country.”
The mess I made? Wow, you really are delusional. Even you think the last 8 years were bad, you’ve seen nothing yet.
“Shut the “F” up with your usual “because I say it, that makes it true.”
Nice attitude from a so-called liberal. When you figure out what a fact is, let me know. Hilarious!

Posted by: James C | April 12, 2009, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

JamesC…..as I posted, simple facts for simple minds. As you see for yourself, not much more than left wing rhetoric from most of them. And typically not one single fact mixed in to be found.
No wonder they have absolutely no issue with all the spending. To them, facts, numbers, figures, etc. are meaningless. It’s all about the libby rhetoric and an ice cold glass of that libby Kool Aid. Mmmmmm!!

Posted by: TxBoB | April 12, 2009, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

Look you republican numbnuts…Scooter Libby took the fall for Cheney..good ole cheney said..look..I’ll get you a pardon..no problem…why the Hell do you think cheney turned on bush..he is afraid scooter is going to do a tell all on him since he did’nt get him pardoned..LOL you repubs are just plain “blind by choice”..and rove was in to it- to his double chins. And thats the story of the “Three Little Pigs…..

Posted by: cowgirl | April 12, 2009, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

Howdy, cowgal! That’s quite a yarn yer spinning there, a might bit entertaining to boot. Unfortunately, that’s all it is, a story. You see, if there were any proof, Cheney and Rove would’ve been indicted. Nice try, though!
Hey, speaking of tall tales, why don’t you tell us all again the whopper you and your delusional and dimwitted ilk like to spin about how bad ol’ Bush planned and executed the 9/11 attacks all by himself – shoot, Al Qaeda had nothing to do with it, right? Oh, and what about the one where Bush rigged and stole the 2004 election perfectly – without a hitch.
Yee haaa! You go, girl!

Posted by: James C | April 13, 2009, 8:13 am 8:13 am

Is this the same Karl Rove who has zero credibility because of illegal activities committed while he was at the White House? The same Karl Rove who was neck deep in the fired attorney generals scandal. The same Karl Rove who was the architect of the campaign of lies and misinformation about Iraq, spreading fear in order to futher the immoral agenda of the Bush administration? And he is calling Joe Biden a liar? People in glass houses should not throw stones. And in this case, he should move to a big stone prison…

Posted by: DaveM | April 13, 2009, 11:38 am 11:38 am

I thought we were done with Rove. Like a bad penny, if one has one, he keeps turning up. Isn’t it enough he ruined eight years of this country’s history, he has to keep mouthing off. Somebody sedate him, please.

Posted by: Michael | April 13, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Hahahah – Rove calling anyone else a “liar”? Hey Karl, check out the glossary of defense mechanisms in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. Look up “Projection”. Classic.

Posted by: Go Navy | April 13, 2009, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

“Can anyone tell me why Karl Rove hasn’t been indicted by a grand jury for his role in outing CIA agent Valerie Plame?”
Obviously, because he put Scooter Libby in front of the bullet.

Posted by: Silky | April 14, 2009, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

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