The Note, 4/21/09: Hard Choices: Obama takes on meat of legislative process
By RICK KLEIN What’s of greater importance to the Obama White House this week?
Finding $100 million in budget cuts? (Cue Dr. Evil’s pinkie finger . . . )
Making sure the photos with Hugo Chavez aren’t the only thing people remember about his first trip to Latin America? (Isn’t there a book they could send him back in return?)
Wins over these next eight days — determine how the first 100 are recorded in newspapers of record?
Dictating what the first 100 days will say about the second 100?
What President Obama will be able to say about why these 100 days (and the 100 after that) really do represent all the change he promised?
It’s time for some of those tough choices President Obama keeps telling us we have to make. (He gets to play decider here.)
This is the chewy meat of the legislative session — the start of the real committee work that either will or won’t fulfill the president’s vision.
Team Obama has grasped the symbolism of its actions, both at home and abroad. But the battles ahead will be waged on substance. (And did the White House start one of those battles — budget-cutting — by misplaying the symbols?)
Obama signs the service bill Tuesday, and then the tough stuff starts now: “With Congress back from its spring recess and many of the big, expensive pieces of Obama’s plan for turning the economy around now in place, the president is pivoting to the nitty-gritty details of implementing his plans to expand health care, encourage production of renewable energy and improve education — all while demonstrating he is serious about cutting the federal deficit,” Michael Fletcher writes in The Washington Post.
Even this push may not be comfortable: “Senate Democrats hope to boost President Obama’s credentials among the party’s left wing by advancing several legislative measures in the final stretch of his first 100 days in office,” The Hill’s Alexander Bolton reports. “The forthcoming agenda includes granting bankruptcy judges the power to write down mortgages for homeowners in default and possibly tying war funding to benchmarks that could lead to a speedier withdrawal from Afghanistan.”
David Brooks makes the frame: “Obama imposes hard choices on others, but has postponed his own. He presented an agenda that bleeds red ink a trillion dollars at a time. Now he seems passive as Congress kills his few revenue ideas (cap and trade) and spending cuts (agricultural subsidies). Huge fiscal gaps are opening this decade that can’t be closed by distant entitlement reform. They can’t be closed by cynical Potemkin cuts, a few million at a time,” he writes in his New York Times column.
“This is not a matter of economics only, but credibility. Obama understands that this is primarily an authority crisis. A system Americans have trusted — the market — has failed in important ways. He has found a theme and bids to reassert authority. But he will seem like an impostor and a manipulator if he imposes responsibility on everybody but himself,” Brooks writes.
Pretty much not the way he would have preferred to start: $100 million in requested savings. (Channeling late-night talk joke, on the chatter between Cabinet members: Well, we could always pay our own taxes. . . . )
“Budget analysts promptly burst out laughing. A reporter declared at the White House briefing that the initiative would become fodder for late-night talk show hosts. The Republican Study Committee, a group of fiscal conservatives, put out a news release with the headline ‘Obama’s 0.0025% spending cut,’ ” Sheryl Gay Stolberg writes in The New York Times.
“Cut a latte or two out of your annual budget and you’ve just done as much belt-tightening as President Barack Obama asked of his Cabinet on Monday,” per the AP’s Andrew Taylor and Calvin Woodward. “The thrifty measures Obama ordered for federal agencies are the equivalent of asking a family that spends $60,000 in a year to save $6.”
“Republican leaders deemed it ironic that the Obama administration is touting $100 million in spending cuts, but pushing a budget that would add to the national debt,” ABC’s Sunlen Miller writes.
Remember when a goal was bipartisanship? “Widespread peace and harmony aren’t likely to break out in Washington any time soon,” the Los Angeles Times’ Mark Z. Barabak writes. “Lawmakers returned to Capitol Hill on Monday after a two-week recess. Before they left town, congressional leaders handed out separate talking points — one for Democrats, one for Republicans — explaining to folks back home the problem with the other party.”
Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner on Tuesday appears before the Congressional Oversight Panel on the cause of the financial crisis.
A taste, from Geithner’s prepared testimony: “Our central obligation as your government is to ensure that the financial system is stable, that there is no bank run and that confidence remains in our long term outlook. To that end we have made significant progress.”
“But that is not enough. We must also ensure that a financial system which may be stable is not hurting the economy and deepening the recession. And we must ensure that the pace of recovery is not constrained. It must come about as quickly as possible. History’s lesson here is to take, as we’ve done, aggressive action early and until sustained growth comes about.”
Some of what he’ll be asked about: “I think there we’ve identified some potentially very, very dangerous and significant fraud risks regarding price fixing and those types of frauds,” Neil Barofsky, the special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), told ABC News.
ABC’s Matthew Jaffe and Charlie Herman: “In a quarterly report to Congress released Tuesday, Barofsky highlights a wide variety of problems with the government’s financial rescue programs. The nearly 250-page report documents how the initial $700 billion TARP has grown to become ‘a program of unprecedented scope, scale and complexity’ of 12 separate but interrelated plans involving taxpayer dollars and private funds totaling almost $3 trillion.”
Good luck getting buy-in: “Treasury Department lawyers have determined that firms participating in a $1 trillion program to relieve banks of toxic assets could be subject to limits on executive compensation, contradicting the Obama administration’s previous public position, according to a report to be released today by a federal watchdog agency,” Amit R. Paley writes in The Washington Post.
Watching every dime: “Federal investigators said Monday they have opened 20 criminal probes into possible securities fraud, tax violations, insider trading and other crimes” involving bailout funds, the Los Angeles Times’ Ralph Vartabedian and Tom Hamburger report. “The cases represent only the first wave of investigations, and the total fraud could ultimately reach into the tens of billions of dollars, according to Neil Barofsky, the special inspector general overseeing the bailout program.”
The Hill’s Silla Brush: “In addition to the 20 investigations, his office has opened six audits into, among other issues, the role of outside lobbying and other influences in winning federal money; the $165 million in bonuses at insurance firm AIG; Bank of America’s participation in four different government programs; and an overview of how the banks receiving equity from the government have used that money.”
More Geithner: “Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner indicated that the health of individual banks won’t be the sole criterion for whether financial firms will be allowed to repay bailout funds, a position that might complicate their efforts to give back the cash,” per The Wall Street Journal’s Deborah Solomon. “In an interview, Mr. Geithner laid out some broad principles, including the need to consider the overall health of the financial system and the flow of credit in judging whether banks can repay their government investment.”
At the White House Tuesday: Former President Bill Clinton reunites with Sen. Tedd Kennedy, D-Mass., to celebrate President Obama’s signing of the Edward M. Kennedy National Service Act. (Who’s on body-language watch?)
(On ABCNews.com’s “Top Line” today, Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., the chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee and one of the service bill’s main cosponsors. Noon ET.)
Healthcare angst: “Prominent left-leaning organizations and liberal House members are issuing a warning to their Democratic allies: Don’t cave on us,” The Washington Post’s Ceci Connolly writes. “Disputes over whether to create a new government-sponsored insurance program to compete with private companies shine a light on the intraparty fissures that may prove more problematic than any partisan brawl. More than 70 House Democrats recently warned party leaders that they will not support a broad health reform bill that does not offer consumers a government-sponsored policy, and two unions withdrew from a high-profile health coalition because it would not endorse a public plan.”
The easy part? “The physician in charge of the federal government’s massive push to move health care to electronic records from paper files faces ‘huge challenges’ as he starts his new job in Washington this week,” Jacob Goldstein writes in The Wall Street Journal. “That phrase comes from a paper David Blumenthal himself published recently in the New England Journal of Medicine. He cited low adoption rates, high costs, technical complexities, and physician and patient concerns about privacy.”
Last week’s story has spilled into this week: “The president’s decision last week to release secret memorandums detailing the harsh tactics employed by the C.I.A. under his predecessor provoked a furor that continued to grow on Monday as critics on various fronts assailed his position,” Peter Baker and Scott Shane write in The New York Times. “On Sunday, Rahm Emanuel, the White House chief of staff, said on the ABC News program ‘This Week’ that ‘those who devised policy’ also ‘should not be prosecuted.’ But administration officials said Monday that Mr. Emanuel had meant the officials who ordered the policies carried out, not the lawyers who provided the legal rationale.”
“Even though President Barack Obama is inclined to turn the other cheek on Bush-era torture memos, Congressional Democrats are saying, ‘Not so fast,’ ” Roll Call’s Emily Pierce writes. “[Sen. Dianne] Feinstein has been conducting her own review of how the U.S. government got into the torture business after 9/11, and she said that, ‘until people understand the whole picture,’ making comments about who would or would not be held accountable is ‘not advisable.’ ”
(More DiFi news, with a Drudge boost: “On the day the new Congress convened this year, Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation to route $25 billion in taxpayer money to a government agency that had just awarded her husband’s real estate firm a lucrative contract to sell foreclosed properties at compensation rates higher than the industry norms,” the Washington Times’ Chuck Neubauer reports.)
What Obama is trying to do: “This wasn’t, of course, the audacity of hope but the audacity of realism – of a president trying, simultaneously, to maintain national security, preserve American credibility, follow disclosure laws without sacrificing executive privilege, and avoid a divisive legal battle,” Peter Canellos writes in The Boston Globe. “The best guess is that Obama’s decision will ensure that both sides will keep on debating — with civil libertarians demanding prosecutions, while conservatives insist the tactics were justified — to diminishing effect. Meanwhile, Obama will achieve his stated goal of keeping the country looking forward, not backward.”
“That is a disappointment, because that isn’t change. That’s still the same old politics, and I think that’s problematic,” Jane Hamsher of FireDogLake.com said on ABCNews.com’s “Top Line” Monday.
Making it tough not to look back: “Former Vice President Dick Cheney last month formally asked the Central Intelligence Agency to de-classify top secret documents he believes show harsh interrogation techniques such as waterboarding helped prevent terrorist attacks against U.S. targets,” Politico’s Mike Allen and Josh Gerstein write. “On Monday, Cheney disclosed the request to Sean Hannity of Fox News’ ‘Hannity.’ The request was made in late March, before President Barack Obama unsealed top-secret memos about past interrogation techniques last week.”
This cuts in a few uncomfortable directions: “One of the leading House Democrats on intelligence matters was overheard on telephone calls intercepted by the National Security Agency agreeing to seek lenient treatment from the Bush administration for two pro-Israel lobbyists who were under investigation for espionage,” Neil A. Lewis and Mark Mazzetti write in The New York Times. “One official who has seen transcripts of several wiretapped calls said [Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif.] appeared to agree to intercede in exchange for help in persuading party leaders to give her the powerful post.”
CQ had the beat: “Harman was recorded saying she would ‘waddle into’ the AIPAC case ‘if you think it’ll make a difference,’ according to two former senior national security officials familiar with the NSA transcript,” per CQ’s Jeff Stein.
Coming from another (growing) field entirely: “As a senator, Barack Obama led the charge last year to pass a bill allowing black farmers to seek new discrimination claims against the Agriculture Department. Now he is president, and his administration so far is acting like it wants the potentially budget-busting lawsuits to go away,” the AP’s Ben Evans writes. “The change isn’t sitting well with black farmers who thought they’d get a friendlier reception from Obama after years of resistance from President George W. Bush.”
Key to the opposition? “One form of inflation — rhetorical — may become a short-term hazard for Republicans seeking an effective strategy to oppose Mr. Obama’s activist-government agenda. As the Democratic Congress returns this week to juggle administration initiatives on energy, health care and financial regulation, the minority party faces an internal debate over striking the right tone,” John Harwood writes for The New York Times.
Bob Shrum sees the “tea parties” as playing to “the paranoid style”: “It’s just a shame that instead of seeking common ground or offering genuine alternatives, the GOP is pandering to the paranoid style in American politics,” he writes in The Week.
New from the DNC Tuesday morning: a Web ad highlighting Republicans’ support for Bush budgets that expanded the deficit. Asks the DNC: “In light of their change of heart we wonder: has the Party of No turned into the Party of Hypocrites?”
Some surprises in the numbers: “The RNC collected $25 million between Jan. 1 and March 31 as compared to the nearly $17 million raised by the DNC. The RNC also stood in a far stronger cash position with $23.9 million in the bank to the DNC’s $9.7 million,” Washingtonpost.com’s Chris Cillizza writes. “Some Democrats dismissed the numbers as simply a reflection of the fundraising strictures on DNC Chairman Tim Kaine (Va.) while he is still the governor of the Commonwealth but unless things pick up in the near term there will be significant grumbling within the party. Meanwhile, the numbers should buoy RNC Chairman Michael Steele.”
The EFCA fight resumes with a Web video, plus a call to action.
From the Workforce Family Institute script for calls to lawmakers, going out Tuesday: “Hello, my name is [first name, last name] and I’m a constituent from [your state] and I wanted to leave a message for Senator [name]. I am strongly opposed to Card Check, the poorly named ‘Employee Free Choice Act’ or EFCA. The binding arbitration provision within EFCA would result in a government takeover of American business. Senators Lincoln and Specter have come out against EFCA and I believe Senator [name] should do the same. Please tell the Senator to join the growing movement to stop Card Check.”
Kudos to the St. Petersburg Times, whose indispensable PolitiFact.com nabbed a rare Pulitzer for campaign coverage.
From their write-up: “During the campaign, PolitiFact had a staff of five Times reporters and editors, plus the support of researchers and writers from Congressional Quarterly, a sister company of the Times. PolitiFact re-launched in January to fact-check Congress and the White House, and added the Obameter, a feature that tracks President Barack Obama’s campaign promises.”
Why they might be less (or more) popular at the next dinner party: “This summer, we plan to expand our coverage of pundits and talk show hosts and our state and local fact-checking.”
The Kicker:
“There are those who would argue, you always have to have a campaign like mine before you have a campaign like Barack Obama’s.” — Howard Dean, maybe one of those who would argue that.
“It’s not a normal way to look at a president of the United States but this is not a normal president.” — Garrett Graff, editor-at-large of Washingtonian, on his decision to put a bare-chested President Obama on his magazine’s cover.
Don’t miss “Top Line,” ABCNews.com’s new daily political Webcast, hosted by Rick Klein and David Chalian, at noon ET. Tuesday’s guests: Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., and Republican strategist Kevin Madden.
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Posted by: matt | April 21, 2009, 8:17 am 8:17 am
I agree, no one cares about the Chavez pics. And I don’t have a problem with the $100 million budget cut. You have to start SOMEWHERE! I haven’t read one article which states what % this is of his budget – not the deficit. That is a ridiculous comparison. If every federal budget line was cut by the same % represented by this $100 Million, what impact would that have on the deficit? That’s what I’d like to know. Got we find some REAL reporters?
Posted by: Nichole | April 21, 2009, 8:49 am 8:49 am
Obama just give it up already.
You called returning brave soldiers who fought for this country “POTENTIAL TERRORISTS”
you called known terrorists nothing more than common criminals and want them tried in an American court of law and then will live in America when they sue us for billions of dollars and win the money – laughing at Obama and the American fools.
you bring a PIRATE to this country who will now forever live on American tax payers dime on welfare. HIS DREAM CAME TRUE.
You befriend know dictators and brutal murders of innocent civilians.
You insult our past presidents and the American people to foreign countries.
have tax cheaters run the IRS
Posted by: scab head | April 21, 2009, 9:12 am 9:12 am
It’s a start. The important thing is to begin making curs where they can be made.
Posted by: George | April 21, 2009, 9:19 am 9:19 am
Didn’t he tell *each* Cabinet Secretary to cut $100M?
Posted by: Silky | April 21, 2009, 9:23 am 9:23 am
scab head: returning soldiers were not called potential terrorists—the DHS report included returning soldiers in a list of those who might be TARGETED by extremists—
I believe the pirate will be tried, not put on welfare.
The President told the Europeans that their anti-American attitude was misplaced.
Terrorists are criminals and should be tried in our courts. They should be imprisoned if found guilty of their crimes. That’s the American way of doing things.
If you make a mistake on your taxes you are not a cheater.
Posted by: George | April 21, 2009, 9:29 am 9:29 am
100m is being propped up by the MSM. How stupid. 100m is a drop in the bucket compared to Obama’s spending. Yes, 100m up against 1 tillion is pocket change. 100m is easy to save and should have been done all along and not celebrated by the MSM. i expect cost cutting. But keep up the hoopla MSM.. never mind the man in the back spending trillions… yes trillions!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: chad | April 21, 2009, 9:36 am 9:36 am
It is really sad that Obama is, literally, selling out black farmers “down the river”. If anybody has a claim of historical governmental discrimination it is not the rich blacks trying to get into Harvard, the rich Hollywood gays trying to change the definition of marriage, or illegal alien hordes trying to become legal- but the black farmers primarily in the East Coast and South. And now Obama, after writing legislation and promising to help thier claims, says “only $2,000-$3,000 per farmer”! Contact the National Black Farmers Association for more details on another Obama sell-out. Once he gets the votes he moves on, apparently.
Posted by: Al | April 21, 2009, 9:55 am 9:55 am
I don’t know about you guys, but my pocket change can sure add up. My sister took her daughter on a trip on pocket change they had saved.
Every bit the goverment can carve off, a little here and a little there, helps. Even the American people are not going to Starbucks as much for their morning coffee and brewing it themselves. LOL
We finally have people in the White House that care about the people. It shows. Thank you Mr. President.
Posted by: scentsofroses | April 21, 2009, 9:56 am 9:56 am
“You befriend know dictators and brutal murders of innocent civilians.”
Like Bush did with Mugabe? or when Bush met with Chavez? or when Bush met with Karimov?
ALL our past Presidents have met with dictators and suddenly you grow a conscience when this one does?
Posted by: Archie | April 21, 2009, 9:57 am 9:57 am
BO wants to cut .0000125% of his socialist spendulous package. I feel sooo much better now.
Posted by: BO stinks | April 21, 2009, 9:58 am 9:58 am
I vote waterboarding for scab head.
D i c k C h e n e y says it brings forth results. He’s got to get his head right!
Posted by: meaner than a snake | April 21, 2009, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Archie
Simply meeting with these people, as Bush did, is one thing. Meeting with the these people, and being their lapdog, is another.
BO sat and listened to ortega, the idiot from nicaragua, denigrate the USA for 50 minutes. Surprise, BO said nothing!
He also told chavez “thank you” when he handed him an anti-American book. The photos of the book exchange were immedietly rushed to chavez’s propaganda website.
BO has turned into the posterboy for anti-American sentiment. He has done nothing but help tyrants in South America bolster their images.
Posted by: BO stinks | April 21, 2009, 10:08 am 10:08 am
BO Stinks accurately reflects the problem with the Republican Party which is: it’s okay if we do it – but we will be totally outraged regardless of the truth if Obama does it.
ROFLMAO
Posted by: Archie | April 21, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am
President Obama, in gathering his full cabinet together for a meeting, ordered his Cabinet to find cost saving in their departments, in order to cut $100m from the budget.
He acknowledged that $100m was a “drop in the budget”, but that the government needed to win back the confidence of the American people by showing that money was not being wasted.
“We’ve got to earn their trust,” he said.
Thank you Mr. President for setting a positive example for the nation.
Posted by: meaner than a snake | April 21, 2009, 10:16 am 10:16 am
The biggest thing is most of that 100m in cuts has already been implemented and take effect soon and he will be claiming them as his…at any rate so what, his budgets will be costing us 100m a day, every day…he cut nothing…it’s all smoke and mirrors and some people are dumb enough to believe it.
Posted by: samhiguchi | April 21, 2009, 10:22 am 10:22 am
The Justice Department has released four much-anticipated Bush-era memos written by staff at the Office of Legal Counsel in 2002 and 2005. The documents gave legal authorisation for harsh interrogation techniques regarded by many as torture.
Civil liberties groups had long sought to see the contents of the memos, but their publication had been the subject of fierce debate within the administration. Many in the CIA had feared that full disclosure would open agents up to the threat of legal action.
Before publication, civil rights campaigners had warned President Obama that a failure to publish the memos in full would leave his reputation for transparency in tatters.
Well, President Obama has opted to publish the memos in full (virtually – the names of the CIA interrogators have been redacted). But he has also given an assurance to CIA employees involved in the interrogation programme that they will not be prosecuted.
Thank you, President Obama. Your positive message is well-received. By acknowledging mistakes by past administration’s practices
and focusing on moving beyond this, we can both prevent similar occurances, as well as focus on the present and future.
Posted by: meaner than a snake | April 21, 2009, 10:23 am 10:23 am
The Environmental Protection Agency has ruled that carbon dioxide is a health risk, a ruling that could lead to regulation of emissions around the nation and may encourage Congress to pass far-reaching legislation on greenhouse gases.
This is another of those hand-brake turns from the Bush route to the new course set by Obama. Not an unexpected change of direction, but nonetheless hugely significant; a policy change that will alter America forever.
The Environmental Protection Agency’s announcement contains the simple assertion that greenhouse gas pollution is a serious problem now and for future generations. The gases, the agency says, contribute to air pollution and may endanger public health or welfare.
Back in April 2007, the Supreme Court ruled that the EPA’s previous refusal to consider regulating emissions of carbon dioxide was unlawful, but the justices did not force the agency to begin regulation, only to come up with a view on whether or not carbon was harmful.
The agency decided it was, but the Bush administration took no further action.
Thank you President Obama, for caring about the air our children breathe.
Posted by: meaner than a snake | April 21, 2009, 10:29 am 10:29 am
Former US Vice-President D i c k C h e n e y has urged the CIA to release memos which he says show harsh interrogation techniques such as water-boarding work.
His comments follow the publication of memos written by Bush administration lawyers which justified the techniques.
Mr Cheney said that the decision to publish the memos was a mistake.
And it was misleading, he said, because the documents did not include those demonstrating that harsh interrogation delivered intelligence “success”.
“One of the things that I find a little bit disturbing about this recent disclosure is that they put out the legal memos… but they didn’t put out the memos that show the success of the effort,” M r. C h e n e y told Fox News.
Thank you, President Obama for rejecting the principles of torture, which disrespect our constitution and comprimise our democracy.
Posted by: meaner than a snake | April 21, 2009, 10:39 am 10:39 am
PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE LOSIONG JOBS EVERY DAY AND WE ARE BEING TOLD WE MUST TIGHTEN OUR BELTS. $100 MILLION IS JUST A SPIT IN THE BUCKET OF OF THE FEDERAL BUDGET. MAYBE OBAMA CAN LEAVE AIRORCE ONE ON THE TARMAC FOR A FEW DAYS INSTEAD OF JETTING AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WORLD LOOKING FOR THE NEXT PHOTO OP.
THER IS PLENTY OF WORK TO BE DONE IN WASHINGTON DC.
Posted by: M | April 21, 2009, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Kudos to the president, for making cuts where he can..Its what he promised, and its what he is doing..Its what we are all doing…we will get out of this together..I would prefer that the corrupt be prosacuted..thats why we have laws…heads should roll at the top…we do not want to set a standard of moving forward without using the law to punish transgressors..as a lawyer, the president should not ignore the criminal behavior of the past.
Posted by: cowgirl | April 21, 2009, 10:44 am 10:44 am
You are doing an excellent job mr president! I am proud that you are our president. It feels good to be able to say that after eight years!
Posted by: Stanley | April 21, 2009, 10:52 am 10:52 am
cowgirl
“Kudos” to BO for cutting .000025% of his socialist budget???
Obamabots really are lemmings if they congratulate him for this “budget cut”.
For every miilion dollars he that spends of OUR tax $$$, he shaved off $25.00, wow.
Posted by: BO stinks | April 21, 2009, 10:57 am 10:57 am
cowgirl -
I hear you with seeking accountability from the top with corruption – specifically, torture.
However, if we allow prosecution of top cabinet now, precident to allow any current or future cabinet will follow. An executive office ‘can of worms’ we might say.
President Obama is handling this situation well.
Posted by: gus amaral | April 21, 2009, 11:05 am 11:05 am
“A penny saved is a penny earned.” Pennies do count up. I toss my change in bottle in the evening. Eventually I have $20 to $50 in change—that puts gas in the car—food on the table—make for a night out for dinner—trip to the movies—tickets for a concert. Don’t knock when spending can be cut even small amount or “drop in a bucket”.
Posted by: George | April 21, 2009, 11:06 am 11:06 am
If George W. Bush had made a joke at the expense of the Special Olympics, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given Tony Blair a set of inexpensive and useless (to Tony Blair’s UK video formatting) DVDs, when Tony Blair had given him a thoughtful and historically significant gift, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had visited Austria and made reference to the non-existent “Austrian language,” would you have brushed it off as a minor slip?
If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had ordered the firing of the CEO of a major corporation, even though he had no constitutional authority to do so, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?
If George W. Bush had then proposed to double the debt again within 10 years, would you have approved?
So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can’t think of anything? Don’t worry. He’s done all this in 10 weeks — so you’ll have three years and nine-and-a-half months to come up with an answer.
Posted by: Conservative Gal | April 21, 2009, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Thank God we waterboarded the terrorists and were able to extract life-saving info from those animals.
Why is it that liberals hold America to an impossibly high standard, but then seemingly make excuses for brutal dictators/tyrants around the world?
Why is it that the terrorists cut our heads off and we drop water down their noses, but yet MSNBC and the rest of the liberal loons have no problem calling America evil?
It is true that the terrorists have no greater allies then liberals in power.
Posted by: Dave | April 21, 2009, 11:20 am 11:20 am
BO Stinks: when you meet with people you talk with people and listen to those people—that’s part of having a conversation—that’s not being “someone’s lapdog” as you put it.
Winston Churchhill, FDR, and Joseph Stalin are seen in a number of photographs when they were meeting together. That wasn’t a problem then, it shouldn’t be one now.
“Engaged” means paying attention. We need to be engaged in order to lead.
Posted by: George | April 21, 2009, 11:23 am 11:23 am
So Dave, you think it is appropriate behavior to fight terrorism by becoming a terrorist? Fight bullies by becoming a bully? That doesn’t make sense. Even John McCain said it didn’t make sense.
American values are imbedded in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. They are quite high. We’ve had to struggle to maintain them and still do.
Posted by: George | April 21, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Conservative Gal
Very well said.
We can truly only imagine what would have happened if Bush went on a late nite television show period. Then, once he was on that late nite show, mock handicapped individuals.
Barry also appeared on sportscenter shortly thereafter and showed everyone his NCAA bracket as the rest of Rome was burning. Very unprofessional.
The liberal elite idiots would have called for Bush’s head had he done something like that.
Posted by: Dave | April 21, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am
George
Actually in times of war our consitution has been suspended. Have you ever heard of Lincoln suspending habeascorpus during the Civil War? He did so 3 times.
Also, dropping water down the terrorists’ noses is not torture. Ripping peoples’ fingernails off and/or severing their heads is torture.
Posted by: Dave | April 21, 2009, 11:36 am 11:36 am
I guess if I’m a “liberal elite idiot” that makes you a conservative elite idiot. The only difference is liberal vs. conservative. The problem is trying to compartmentalize everyone—doesn’t work. Humans are much more complex. We tend to be on a continuum from liberal to conservative rather either or.
Posted by: George | April 21, 2009, 11:39 am 11:39 am
George:
When FDR, Churchill, and Stalin met together, it was to defeat the Nationl Socialist German Worker’s Party (Nazis).
As I recall, FDR didn’t sit there and listen to the other heads of state denigrate America. If they tried it, I bet FDR would have either walked out or told them to shut up.
BO on the other hand, just sat there and smiled as they blamed America for everything wrong with their poorly run countries.
You call listening to someone blame America for all their problems being “engaged”. I call it being weak.
Posted by: BOstinks | April 21, 2009, 11:43 am 11:43 am
“If George W. Bush had proposed to double the national debt, which had taken more than two centuries to accumulate, in one year, would you have approved?”
Posted by: Conservative Gal | Apr 21, 2009 11:14:15 AM
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With no fanfare and little notice, the national debt had grown by more than $4 trillion during George W. Bush’s presidency.
It’s the biggest increase under any president in U.S history.
On the day President Bush took office, the national debt stood at $5.727 trillion. By September 2008, the number from the Treasury Department showed the national debt now stood at more than $9.849 trillion.
That’s a 71.9 percent increase on Mr. Bush’s watch.
apparently you weren’t watching.
Posted by: gus amaral | April 21, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Dave, anything that causes a person to fear for their lives, create a sense of discomfort without end is torture. Terrorizing is torture. Bullies torture their victims until they get their way.
Beheading is not torture, it’s execution.
Did the suspending of habeas corpus result in torture?
Posted by: George | April 21, 2009, 11:45 am 11:45 am
I don’t care who is doing whatever – I am a tax payer, retired, have to work am close to 70 – I feel like I am doing the best I can, I pay my taxes, and then there are the big boys in D.C. and Wall Street, that say we need to tighten our belts? What are they doing?
Posted by: artinthewild | April 21, 2009, 11:46 am 11:46 am
If George W. Bush had bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, would you have approved?
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He did, and kissed the man and held his hands….
Posted by: Hypocrisy 101 | April 21, 2009, 11:50 am 11:50 am
gus amaral –And you are saying it is less now with what is sitting in the cockpit now?
Posted by: Conservative Gal | April 21, 2009, 11:51 am 11:51 am
BO Stinks, in view of the fact that no one was shadowing the President at all times, you don’t know what his response was to Chavez or Ortega. All we have is a photograph. I did see a photograph of him and Chavez where neither of them were smiling. Sometimes we have to listen to find out why they say the things they say.
No, I don’t believe FDR would have stormed out of the meeting, but then we don’t have audio recordings to know exactly what any of them said.
Posted by: George | April 21, 2009, 11:52 am 11:52 am
If George W. Bush had filled his cabinet and circle of advisers with people who cannot seem to keep current on their income taxes, would you have approved?
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Linda Chavez comes to mind…..
Posted by: Hypocrisy 101 | April 21, 2009, 11:59 am 11:59 am
George
Just how do you expect to beat an enemy that is 150% committed on on destroying our way of life here, if you rule out interrogations that involve droppping water down murderers’ noses?
Liberals refuse to believe that the terrorrists HATE democracy and freedom and will do whatever it takes to destroy us.
Smiling or hugging them will not make them like us more. History already has a neville chamberlain and we should learn from his mistakes and not try and emulate them.
Just as the islaminc extremists HATE the Jews simply for being alive, they HATE America for simply being in existence.
Posted by: Dave | April 21, 2009, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
If George W. Bush had given the Queen of England an iPod containing videos of his speeches, would you have approved?
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AND a rare songbook signed by Richard Rodgers?
By the way – I know that having videos of “his speeches” makes it more right-winger juicy, but it still doesn’t make it true.
The Apple music player was loaded with video footage and photographs from her 2007 trip to the U.S., London’s Daily Telegraph reports.
Posted by: Hypocrisy 101 | April 21, 2009, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
then there are the big boys in D.C. and Wall Street, that say we need to tighten our belts? What are they doing?
Posted by: artinthewild | Apr 21, 2009 11:46:23 AM
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tightening their belts.
Posted by: gus amaral | April 21, 2009, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
Hypocrisy 101 Only one name???
Posted by: Conservative Gal | April 21, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
“Just how do you expect to beat an enemy that is 150% committed on on destroying our way of life here, if you rule out interrogations that involve droppping water down murderers’ noses?”
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how do you spell ‘idiot savant’?
Posted by: gus amaral | April 21, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
If these jokers in DC really want to make a statement…..how about ALL of them relinquishing their exhorbinate salaries for the balance of their terms??? Maybe even give back…aren’t they supposed to be dedicated public servants????????
Posted by: Conservative Gal | April 21, 2009, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
All the world leaders seem to have Nobama wrapped around their fingers. Sarkozy even said he could make Nobama walk across the Channel if he wanted to. This is so sad for America. And to think that I once respected your country.
Yeah, keep apologizing Mr Nobama.
Posted by: JohnPostus | April 21, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
gus
Are you just another liberal who is rooting for the terroristists FAR more then you are rooting for America?
Like I always say… the terrorists have no greater allies then liberals.
Posted by: Dave | April 21, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Hypocrisy 101 Only one name???
Posted by: Conservative Gal | Apr 21, 2009 12:08:48 PM
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Off the top of my head.
We could address the billions that our government lost in off-shore tax evasion the past 8 years because Bush did not want to adequately address it due to crys from the far-right.
Obama closed that loophole.
Posted by: Hypocrisy 101 | April 21, 2009, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
“Just how do you expect to beat an enemy that is 150% committed on on destroying our way of life here, if you rule out interrogations that involve droppping water down murderers’ noses?”
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how do you spell ‘idiot savant’?
Posted by: gus amaral | Apr 21, 2009 12:09:59 PM
gus, I believe you are an idiot. And same sex marriage is a sin no matter what you gays may think.
Posted by: John Potus | April 21, 2009, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Look up disingenuous in the dictionary and you will see obama, pelosi, reid and all the kook-aid drinkers!
Posted by: Conservative Gal | April 21, 2009, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
I heard Nobama will be going to Germany next month to apologize to the Nazis for WWII.
Apologizing to Osama bin Laden would be a good idea too!
Posted by: JohnPotus | April 21, 2009, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
… French President said. “But he was elected two months ago and had never run a ministry. There are a certain number of things on which he has no position. And he is not always up to standard on decision-making and efficiency.”
World News
Posted by: JohnPotus | April 21, 2009, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm
“gus
Are you just another liberal who is rooting for the terroristists FAR more then you are rooting for America?
Like I always say… the terrorists have no greater allies then liberals.”
Posted by: Dave | Apr 21, 2009 12:29:12 PM
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Dave
I personally do not know anyone who encourages ‘terrorism’ – domestic or abroad. Perhaps you are confused.
I’m not sure how your meaning of ‘liberal’ is defined, nor what it encompasses, so I wouldn’t even begin to guess whether I fall into your definition of that category. Your language is conflicting, angry and the content confused.
Are these your own thoughts, or ideas from someone else?
Posted by: gus amaral | April 21, 2009, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
“gus, I believe you are an idiot. And same sex marriage is a sin no matter what you gays may think.”
Posted by: John Potus | Apr 21, 2009 12:33:42 PM
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what ARE you talking about?
teeHeeHEE…you think I’m ‘gay’?
Posted by: gus amaral | April 21, 2009, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Gus
Of course I am angry. I have watched my president parade around the world apologizing for everything wrong with the world- just as I have heard liberals do for years. They are the orginal “blame America first” gang. They call Bush evil, the 9/11 terrorists “freedom fighters” and invite the anti-Semetic, anti-American whackjob ahkmadenijacket to speak at columbia.
Barry simply continued the looong standing liberal tradition of blaming America first. He said and did nothing in response to chavez and ortega in south America as they continually bashed America.
Here is an idea though-how about calling on those 2 leaders to stepdown and be advocates for democracy instead of squashing free speech? How about calling them out as the slimebag dictators that they are?
No, no, that might actually show that barry actually has a backbone.
Posted by: Dave | April 21, 2009, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
We will never ever be pleased with any government. Try praying.
Posted by: rose chic | April 21, 2009, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Hypocrisy 101 | Apr 21, 2009 12:32:05 PM
it’s obammy’s watch now…and he ain’t doin’ good!
Posted by: Conservative Gal | April 21, 2009, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Cheney has NO BUSINESS asking the CIA to release other documents. He is now only a citizen; and a pretty bad one at that. Why did he now do it when he was VP? He is irrational! Also the ends do not JUSTIFY THE MEANS!! May he R.I.P.
Posted by: Juez7 | April 21, 2009, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Conservative Gal|Apr 21, 2009 1:49:00 PM
“it’s obammy’s watch now…and he ain’t doin’ good!”
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Your Virulent Disrespect for the Office of The President of The United States of America, completely “Voids Out” any possible valid points you may wish to share.
Posted by: bobj72 | April 21, 2009, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Obama is counting on our public school indoctrination. After all, it’s really hard to think.
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Posted by: charles | April 21, 2009, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Reminder: Congress makes the laws – spends the money. The President enacts the laws when he signs them. Ergo: Congress has the power to spend or save.
Reminder: Obama PROMISED to cut pork filled earmark spending. He signed the Omnibus bill – the bill that Bush said he would NOT sign so Pelosi kept it and then pushed it through because we were in crisis. Just like the last Stimulus package – crisis. Now we learn it was because Pelosi, (and her hubby), DiLauro and Larson had to rush to catch an AF jet to Italy so Pelosi and her hubby could visit the Popl.
Obama blew it when he signed – in private so that there will never be any pictures of the action to use in further campaigns. He lied to the American public and we fell for it. Shame on us.
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