By Lindsey Ellerson

May 27, 2009 4:46pm

Gingrich Calls Sotomayor “Racist”

“Imagine a judicial nominee said ‘my experience as a white man makes me better than a latina woman,’” former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., blogged today.

“Wouldn’t they have to withdraw? New racism is no better than old racism. A white man racist nominee would be forced to withdraw. Latina woman racist should also withdraw.”

He also tweeted similar comments, in so doing joined the ranks of conservative voices such as Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh accusing Judge Sonia Sotomayor of being a racist for her 2001 comments.

The conservatives are decrying a comment made by Judge Sotomayor in 2001, addressing former Justice Sandra Day O’Connor’s famous quote that "a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases."

"I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement," Sotomayor said. "First, as Professor Martha Minnow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life."

"Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society,” she said.

(For the full context of the remarks, see HERE.)

Asked about the comments, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, "I think it is probably important for anybody involved in this debate to be exceedingly careful with the way in which they’ve decided to describe different aspects of this impending confirmation.  I think we’re satisfied that, when the people of America and the people of the Senate get a chance to look at more than just the blog of a former lawmaker that they’ll come to the same conclusion that the president did.”

-jpt

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“I think it is probably important for anybody involved in this debate to be exceedingly careful with the way in which they’ve decided to describe different aspects of this impending confirmation
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Somewhere, Ari Fleisher thanks his lucky stars and whispers, “It’s your turn, Gibbs”

Posted by: MayBee | May 27, 2009, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

Breaking News:
Pot calls Kettle Beige!!

Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | May 27, 2009, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Skip Calls Gingrich “Disingenuous”
“Imagine a judicial nominee said ‘my experience as a white man makes me better than a latina woman,’” former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., blogged today.
Except that she didn’t say her experience AS a wise Latina woman. But you know that very well don’t you Newt?

Posted by: Skip | May 27, 2009, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

Newt, Coulter & Limbaugh,,
the ‘bright lights’ of political discourse for the ‘right’………
Dems just need to keep a low profile and let the fringe ‘right’ hang themselves with their own words.

Posted by: Oh Yeah | May 27, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

Maybe, finally, a confirmation hearing that gets beyond c-span coverage.. if Tiny Tim non-Taxpayer can get confirmed..the sky is the limit…

Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | May 27, 2009, 5:00 pm 5:00 pm

Being chastised by Newt might be more positive than negative, the guy kind of gives a lot of peeps the willies.

Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | May 27, 2009, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm

May-be just may-be this will be the wake up call the Republicans so desperately need. They need to shed the anchor of the far right wing the likes of Newt, Cheney, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, etc. and allow the opportunity for decency and dignity to be restored to the party. It can not be as long as they continue to be the Republican Mouthpieces.

Posted by: Stella | May 27, 2009, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

Newt Gingrich 2007:
“The American people believe English should be the official language of the government. … We should replace bilingual education with immersion in English so people learn the common language of the country and they learn the language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto,” Gingrich said to cheers from the crowd of more than 100.
Keep it up right wingers, you thought the shift after 2005 was bad?
2010 is gonna be a massacre.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

give it a rest, Newt…you are done, finished. take a walk around your block. this isn’t a white-protestant-right-wing-conservative-male nation anymore. you are a racist, Gingrich, pure and simple.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm

How come liberals never answer the question at hand? Newt said that had the tables been reversed a white man would have been labeled a racist for saying the exact same thing she said.
So how do liberals respond? By avoiding the topic altogether and instead throwing ad hominem attacks against him. Much like Obama.

Posted by: JJ Jones | May 27, 2009, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

“give it a rest, Newt…you are done, finished.”
Actually I think this signals a run in 2012.
The aggrieved white male is Newt’s bread and butter.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

h—”New racism is no better than old racism.” when will he repudiate and quit practicing the old racism? Gingrich and Limbaugh are the true ugly face of the republican party. if republicans don’t endorse the views of these men, they need to choose new leaders.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

What a sleazy thing to say, Newt.
But you know that the dittoheads are gonna guzzle this vomit down like a fratboy with a beerbong full of Keystone.

Posted by: borneo | May 27, 2009, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

How is her statement not racist and sexist? There shouldn’t even be debate over this! Why do liberals ALWAYS get a pass for racist and sexist comments? Why does the MSM ALWAYS cover for liberals and make mountains out of mole hills when it comes to conservatives? She is saying that some people, by virtue of their race and gender alone, are better than others. This is clearly both racist and sexist, and her nomination ought to be rejected.

Posted by: Dave | May 27, 2009, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

I love all the chastising of Newt here and ignoring racism
“Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”
Were Justice Roberts to have ever said
“I would hope that a wise White Man with the richness of his experiences, shared by the majority of the people would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a minority who hasn’t lived that life.”
Jessie Jackson would have broken the sound barrier, on foot, getting to DC to protest.
But yea, Newts a jerk so lets ignore the racism.

Posted by: MN Moderate | May 27, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Professor Gingrich is more than capable of reading through the full essay and understanding the context of that remark. This is pure political posturing, an effort to cement the base so they’ll stay with him when he tacks a bit more towards mainstream and makes a run in 2012.

Posted by: jhw539 | May 27, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

“Newt said that had the tables been reversed a white man would have been labeled a racist for saying the exact same thing she said.”
Actually Next had to butcher the quote and remove context to make it seem racist.
Just another day for the dishonest right wing.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

MN Moderate:”Were Justice Roberts to have ever said”
Ah, right off into that fantasy land of the persecuted and oppressed white man, held down by all the nasty Mainstream Media, which is all owned by very wealthy oppressed white men. It rings a bit hollow after the 2008 elections where half the argument against Obama was that he was an empty suit that only got elected by white guilt.

Posted by: jhw539 | May 27, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

“I would hope that a wise White Man with the richness of his experiences, shared by the majority of the people would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a minority who hasn’t lived that life.”
Jessie Jackson would have broken the sound barrier, on foot, getting to DC to protest.
Again, right wingers need to embellish and lie to make their case of racism.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

JJ Jones | May 27, 2009 5:13:57 PM—it’s all historical, JJ. “what ifs” have never been. white males have indeed said since the beginning “white males can do it better.” that’s white male privilege for you. reality has shown that white males are no better at doing anything than anyone else. white males have a long history of prejudicial behavior in this country, almost solely its only practitioners. white males need to compete now, for once, and not ride in on the white stallion of white/male privilege they always have claiming they can do everything better.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

Thanks Newt. What a delight to read the blather of upset leftists.
Sotomayer is an overt racist. Fortunately she is fielded by the antisemitic, racist party.

Posted by: FJ Harris | May 27, 2009, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Those of you suggesting Sotomayor’s comments are racist have no concept of true racism or sexism. Your faux outrage is disguised behind an extreme political agenda which logical people see right through.

Posted by: JKS | May 27, 2009, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Dave:”How is her statement not racist and sexist? There shouldn’t even be debate over this! ”
It was a rhetorical device that was used during a detailed exposition using herself as the example about how she would hope that life experiences made for a better judge. The full essay is linked – why don’t you read it? It is pretty structurally complex, but you should be able to get a general feel for the gist of it.
And mindlessly calling her a racist in light of her documented record is really pretty stupid. For example, check out her dissent on Pappas v. Giuliani, 290 F.3d 143 (2d Cir. 2002), involving an employee of the New York City Police Department who was terminated from his desk job because, when he received mailings requesting that he make charitable contributions, he responded by mailing back racist and bigoted materials:
“To be sure, I find the speech in this case patently offensive, hateful, and insulting. The Court should not, however, gloss over three decades of jurisprudence and the centrality of First Amendment freedoms in our lives because it is confronted with speech it does not like and because a government employer fears a potential public response that it alone precipitated.”

Posted by: jhw539 | May 27, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

“Your faux outrage is disguised behind an extreme political agenda which logical people see right through.”
JKS,
LOL, kinda like the Dems ‘outrage’ at the AIG bonuses? Kinda like Bumblin, Stumblin Barney Frank’s horrific acting job in those “hearings” ?
Please, don’t be such an obvious moron, this is Politics. It is indeed the way the game has been played for centuries. you absurd comments are not going to have any impact on how the process works.

Posted by: Mike_C | May 27, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

MN Moderate – Did you read her entire talk from Berkley or are you just pulling out the lines to best serve your pre-determined extremist position?
I can go ahead and answer for you. You did not read her entire talk because if you had, you would not have posted such rubbish.

Posted by: JKS | May 27, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

That moaning sound you here in the national background noise is the Republican party losing the Hispanic vote for at least a generation. Today, Democrats should be thankful for Newt, Ann, and Porky.

Posted by: B. Bear | May 27, 2009, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

Asked about the comments, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, “I think it is probably important for anybody involved in this debate to be exceedingly careful with the way in which they’ve decided to describe different aspects of this impending confirmation.
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Once again this White House, and in particular Gibbs, uses thinly veiled threats to those who have may have difference of opinion and dare voice it.

Posted by: jennifert7 | May 27, 2009, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

“you absurd comments are not going to have any impact on how the process works.”
Posted by: Mike_C | May 27, 2009 5:28:31 PM
ROFLMAO – my comments are “absurd”? I’m not the one crying racism where there isn’t any. Good luck with that.

Posted by: JKS | May 27, 2009, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

Well, what if the tables were turned? Is Gingrich off base with his comments?

Posted by: Tyrone | May 27, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

jennifert7 | May 27, 2009 5:30:17 PM—what? people with different views like Rush, Newt, Coulter, O’Reilly, Hannity have all made their racist views known. the campaign against Judge Sotomayor began the moment her name was uttered as a possibility. no matter who Obama chose would be attacked viciiosuly from the radical-right. it’s ironic you see Gibbs comments as infringing upon the radical-right’s freedom of speech, when all they do is speak, blog, etc. the very rights the radical-rights abuses they have denied minorities.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

“Fortunately she is fielded by the antisemitic, racist party.”
Exit Polls 2008:
Obama/McCain
African Americans: 96/4
Hispanic Americans: 67/31
Asian Americans: 62/35
Jewish Americans: 78/21

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

It is not embellishing to rephrase what SoSo said in another context to understand the absurdity of calling out a sex and a color in her statement of her agrandized self-betterment.
Too many Americans believe that white men (even more so, white, Christian men) are fair game for racial stereotyping and insults.
No other demographic would allow this derision without protests, impassioned rebuttals, calls for apologies, at the very least, and dismissal.

Posted by: NoNo | May 27, 2009, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

jhw539—Oh good, you brought up Pappas vs. Guiliani again–you didn’t answer my questions about the case on the other thread, so I’ll ask again.
Were either the defendant or the plaintiff a minority and/or female? Did her dissenting opinion support a person having the protection under the 1st Amendment to make racist comments outside of performing their work duties? In other words, was she of the opinion this person was wrongfully terminated from his position with the NYPD because his racists comments were made outside of work? Did she make mention if her decision would have been different had this police officer had direct contact with minorities in the community through his duties with the NYPD.

Posted by: jennifert7 | May 27, 2009, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm

“Too many Americans believe that white men (even more so, white, Christian men) are fair game for racial stereotyping and insults.”
The poor aggrieved white male again.
You guys do realize you attempt at reliving 1994 with Joe the Impostor ended in disaster last fall.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

NoNo | May 27, 2009 5:39:03 PM—i’m a white male and i’m not at all offended by what she said. i am much more offended by the racism of the radical right (epitomized by Gingrich, Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly) which is vile and putrid and has lasted for centuries.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

jennifert7:”Were either the defendant or the plaintiff a minority and/or female?”
The plaintiff was a white man, the defendant was New York city / Giuliani (mayor at that time).
“Did her dissenting opinion support a person having the protection under the 1st Amendment to make racist comments outside of performing their work duties?”
Yes, to the extent of the filed case. She did not say he had that protection, that was not the scope of the court’s review, she did say he had a reasonable first amendment case that should not have been dismissed as it was.
“In other words, was she of the opinion this person was wrongfully terminated from his position with the NYPD because his racists comments were made outside of work? ”
Yes, and they were not shown to impact his ability to do his job. For example, it would be perfectly legal for a Catholic school to fire a teacher who showed up on the front page of the local paper marrying his boyfriend since that off hours activity would reasonable impair his ability to perform his job. Likewise, a beat officer patrolling Harlem who showed up in the NYTimes wearing a KKK robe would have impaired their ability to do their job.

Posted by: jhw539 | May 27, 2009, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

Likewise, a beat officer patrolling Harlem who showed up in the NYTimes wearing a KKK robe would have impaired their ability to do their job.
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Hmmmm, ok….how about if a white man being accused of sexual harrassment by a latino woman is having his case heard by Ms. Sotomayor. Given her statements listed here, although not made while performing her duties as a judge,…could that pose a potential problem? Might her beliefs impair her ability to perform her duties as granted by the constitution and which she is sworn to uphold?

Posted by: jennifert7 | May 27, 2009, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

If you are indeed a white male, Mr Wall, you are the definition of the truism “A liberal is someone who won’t take his own side in an argument.”
You are being dismissed and disrespected as a human being and you are trained to say, “Thank you, Ma’am, may I have another?”
The eunuch who keeps his manhood in a jar so he can be the politically correct exemplar. Hooray for you!

Posted by: Giggles | May 27, 2009, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

jennifert7:”Might her beliefs impair her ability to perform her duties as granted by the constitution and which she is sworn to uphold? ”
It has never been seen to in her 17 years on the bench.

Posted by: jhw539 | May 27, 2009, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

Yet another completely misses the point of Sotomayor’s talk at Berkley. Jennifer7 – go read the ENTIRE thing and hopefully you’ll catch on. Your hypotheticals are pitiful, at best.

Posted by: JKS | May 27, 2009, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

jennifert7 wrote ” Might her beliefs impair her ability to perform her duties as granted by the constitution and which she is sworn to uphold?” might you ask that of Alito, Thomas or Scalia?

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

“If you are indeed a white male, Mr Wall, you are the definition of the truism “A liberal is someone who won’t take his own side in an argument.”
Apparently Paul is a race traitor according to racist right wingers.
Knowing his posts, I am sure he will wear it as a badge of honor.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

Jake, is Sotomayor a member of La Raza (“The Race”)?

Posted by: Questions | May 27, 2009, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

you know Obama has made the correct choice when you have the new RNC of Rush, ‘Newt’ & and Coulter crying racist..

Posted by: Sasquatch | May 27, 2009, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm

Newt Gingrich is a toad. Either that or he isn’t able to understand English.
The context of Judge Sotomayor’s remarks are quite clear, and her insights are far from racist statements.
Have these toads even examined her record, or just jumped on the racist bandwagon and one quote taken out of context?
Forgive me for calling Gingrich a toad, but what a pathetic lot the slop heap remains of the Republican right have become.

Posted by: danita | May 27, 2009, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

Ryan C | May 27, 2009 6:11:33 PM—
“Apparently Paul is a race traitor according to racist right wingers.
Knowing his posts, I am sure he will wear it as a badge of honor.”
i do indeed, Ryan, i do indeed.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

might you ask that of Alito, Thomas or Scalia?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Absolutely. Did they make similar comments as the ones Ms. Sotomayor has made in regards to making judicial decisions based life experiences, gender and ethnicity?

Posted by: jennifert7 | May 27, 2009, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm

Fresh off coming out in support of torture, Newt delves into racism. Newt is in a schoolyard popularity contest.

Posted by: doug | May 27, 2009, 6:30 pm 6:30 pm

We are about to become a three party government. The Democratic Party, The Grand Old Party, and the Nutball Party led by the drug addict Rush, Hannity Insanity, Nutjob Beck, and the other 21% of racist Americans.

Posted by: jim | May 27, 2009, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

JKS said: Yet another completely misses the point of Sotomayor’s talk at Berkley. Jennifer7 – go read the ENTIRE thing and hopefully you’ll catch on. Your hypotheticals are pitiful, at best.
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JKS, I have read the ENTIRE thing. Several times, in fact. I score pretty high on reading comprehension skill tests. There are several here who have read it as well and have the same concerns I’ve expressed. Just maybe it’s not all of us who are having difficulty comprehending the entire piece.

Posted by: jennifert7 | May 27, 2009, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

Giggles | May 27, 2009 6:04:03 PM, i do not live sir, or madame, according to radical-right wings “truisms” (an oxymoron). i am indeed a white male. and i am not ashamed of that. and i would not respect someone who disliked me because of my race alone. perhaps you should endeavor to read the entirety of Judge Sotomayor’s speech, something i doubt you, or Gingrich or Limbaugh have done. too much like work. you’d think these “gentlemen”, so sensitive to race issues (when it happens to be sensitive white men who make their living off of being racists) would want to live up to the stereotype of doing hard academic work. unfortunately they, like you, have not read the entire speech which is available above. it looks like some white men are lazy and cannot or will not read.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

jennifert7 | May 27, 2009 6:26:57 PM—you weren’t writing about Sotomayor’s speech but her beliefs which Alito, Scalia and Thomas have as well.
if you read her speech, not the full article, but the entirety of her speech you will see be able to appreciate her comments in their rightful context instead of “ditto Rush” talking points.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

“new RNC of Rush, ‘Newt’ & and Coulter crying racist..”
Something for everyone
Rush: He came over three or four times, had Ron Burkle with him and the mayor of Los Angeles, who I thought was either the shoe shine guy or a Secret Service agent.
Newt: “The American people believe English should be the official language of the government. … We should replace bilingual education with immersion in English so people learn the common language of the country and they learn the language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto,” Gingrich said to cheers from the crowd of more than 100.
Ann: In her new book she defends the Council of Conservative Citizens as unfairly maligned as racist just because their founders and boards members were segregationists.
This is a group that CPAC banned….CPAC!
What nothing from the Queen of Racism Michele Malkin?

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm

One only needs to substitute ‘black female’ for ‘white male’ to know tht her speech was racist and sexist.
It is what it is…shes sees the world through race colored glasses. What else is new in the Democratic party?

Posted by: J House | May 27, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

Of course she is a racist. But if she think’s she is going to run the court, she has a big surprise coming. Remember this Obama pick in 2012. I think alot of people who wanted ” change ” will have had there fill of these people.

Posted by: RGeier | May 27, 2009, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

J House | May 27, 2009 6:46:17 PM—it’s all about history. there is a history of racism in this country. it is the history of white man, white rule, white gun, white rope. Judge Sotomayor’s comments, when read in their entirety (there is even a link to the entire speech, yes it is a speech, not a whimsical comment) you will see that her comments are not racist. context is everything. and if you think that Limbaugh or Gingrich have read it or know what they are talking about you are seriously confused. but hey “ditto Rush”…whatever works for you.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 6:52 pm 6:52 pm

my pologies the link Jake has above goes to another article which provides more quotes from her speech. in that article there is a link to to her full speech.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

Okay, let me state this as clearly as I can. I have read her entire speech. It is posted right on this site. Not in this particular article, but in another one posted earlier today. It did offer additional context to the quotes previously posted, and it (that speech) did not, at all, lesson my concerns on how Ms. Sotomayor may perform her duties as a SCJ. Quite to the contrary, in fact.

Posted by: jennifert7 | May 27, 2009, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

I wonder which GOP leader can get to the bottom, first.

Posted by: Thinking | May 27, 2009, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

I’ve read the entire speech and there was no reason to single out males or whites as coming to a worse conclusion simply because they aren’t Latina and female (redundency noted) with regards “race and sex discrimination cases.”
“Justice O’Connor has often been cited” – that was our first female justice – “has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and a wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases.”
She says, “I’m not so sure I agree with that statement” inferring being a Latina would afford her to “more often than not reach a BETTER conclusion as a judge.” This is racist and possibly self aggrandizing and delusional.
BTW ~ Labeling someone right wing just to dismiss what they say is getting old. It must be a favored liberal talking point in trying to shut down meaningful discussions.
Self-hatred, self-loathing, also sometimes autophobia refers to an extreme dislike of oneself, or being angry at oneself. The term is also used to designate a dislike or hatred of a group to which one belongs. For instance, “ethnic self-hatred” is the extreme dislike of one’s ethnic group.
The term “self-hatred” is used infrequently by psychologists and psychiatrists, who would usually describe people who hate themselves as “persons with low self-esteem”.

Posted by: Giggles | May 27, 2009, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

She is a racist bigot who has NO PLACE on our highest court.
EVERY Dem Senator needs to understand that bigotry against whites IS NOT ACCEPTABLE EITHER!
And we will remember any senator who votes a racist onto the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Texas Mom | May 27, 2009, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

Dodomayor is also a legal moron … read her opinions. They sound like they were written by someone who doesn’t understand what she is doing.

Posted by: tarpon | May 27, 2009, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

“I think alot of people who wanted ” change ” will have had there fill of these people.”
These people?
What do you mean these people?

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

Ryan,
Are Newt, Rush or Ann up for a SCJ position? Are any of them in office or running for office? What’s your point? I’m certain you’ve heard some of the idiotic comments from Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, etc. on the far left side. Is that all you got? On second thought, maybe that’s not a fair comparison because Newt, Rush and Ann all have very large followings and/or are repeatedly on the best sellers list while Olbermann and Maddow….eh, not so much.

Posted by: jennifert7 | May 27, 2009, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

Jake, is Sotomayor a member of La Raza (“The Race” “The People” “The Community”)?
Anyone? I’ve found conflicting information.

Posted by: Questions | May 27, 2009, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

I prefer Sotomayor refer to herself as an American.

Posted by: mad | May 27, 2009, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

“Labeling someone right wing just to dismiss what they say is getting old.”
Nope its just getting started.
The right wing should be called out for their lies and hatred every time they utter them.
The aggrieved white man as exemplified by Joe the Imposter is perfect analogy to the right wing.
A complete fraud given the spotlight as the GOP desperately tried to relive 1994.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 7:08 pm 7:08 pm

“Let us not forget that wise men like Oliver Wendell Holmes and Justice Cardozo voted on cases which upheld both sex and race discrimination in our society,” she said.
When you are raised in a society soaked in racist beliefs (first slavery and then segregated schools, washrooms, swimming pools, buses, etc as recently as a few decades ago), it is entirely possible your decisions might be influenced by this and you have an entirely different point of view than someone raised ‘on the outside looking in’ to the racist society.
To be labelled ‘racist’ for pointing this out is ridiculous, and yes . .. she might bring more wisdom to the table.

Posted by: danita | May 27, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

RNC stars
Rush Limbaugh …no military service, but expert on all things military
Newt Gingrich …no military service, but expert on all things military
Cheney…no military service, but expert on all things military
Rush Limbaugh …overweight middle aged white guy, but an expert on racism
Newt Gingrich …overweight middle aged white guy, but an expert on racism
Cheney …overweight middle aged white guy, but an expert on racism
Real
Nut
Charmers

Posted by: doug | May 27, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

I wonder which GOP leader can get to the bottom, first.
Posted by: Thinking
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Where’s the current bottom? Bork or Thomas?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 27, 2009, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

“Are Newt, Rush or Ann up for a SCJ position? Are any of them in office or running for office?”
Look for Newt in 2012.
And my reference to those three was because those 3 have all cynically called Soon to be Associate Justice Sotomayor a racist, ironically (in a ad way) ignoring their own racism.
These chuckle heads actually think this is some sort of payback for the years they got called out on their racist crap.
But all its going to do is cost the Republican party votes.
“from Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, etc. on the far left side”
If you can find racist comments by either feel free to post them.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

The right wing should be called out for their lies and hatred every time they utter them.
Posted by: Ryan C
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Like General Betrayus was.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 27, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

“Where’s the current bottom? Bork or Thomas?”
Thank god Bork was turned away.
His writings since have revealed a disturbingly authoritarian view when it comes to government.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

…and in this “new” Democrat party, we have a leader who just might still be using cocaine. At least that would explain his poor decision making abilities.

Posted by: jennifert8 | May 27, 2009, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

“Like General Betrayus was.”
Feel free to disagree with MoveOn’s tactic.
That is what freedom of speech is all about.
Unfortunately Republicans (and far too many Democrats) felt the need put forth a resolution condemning the ad.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

“nd in this “new” Democrat party, we have a leader who just might still be using cocaine”
jennifer ran out material I guess.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm

“On second thought, maybe that’s not a fair comparison because Newt, Rush and Ann all have very large followings and/or are repeatedly on the best sellers list”
Hate sells and the right wing is buying.
BTW, Ann Coulter’s book sales are down tremendously.
Guess too many right wing men noticed the adam’s apple.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm

“Like General Betrayus was.”
Feel free to disagree with MoveOn’s tactic.
That is what freedom of speech is all about.
Unfortunately Republicans (and far too many Democrats) felt the need put forth a resolution condemning the ad.
Posted by: Ryan C
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Running an advertising campaign accusing a general of betraying his country is a tactic? Never mind that it was hateful and dead wrong. Condemning right wing lies and haters will giving moveon a pass is simply hypocritical. Smugly embracing it is something worse.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 27, 2009, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm

“Running an advertising campaign accusing a general of betraying his country is a tactic? Never mind that it was hateful and dead wrong…”
What did you think of Swiftboat Veterans for Truth?

Posted by: Skip | May 27, 2009, 7:58 pm 7:58 pm

Ryan,
Have you checked out the ratings Olbermann and Maddow lately? They were never good and now they’re even worse. I don’t think you want to go there. BTW, why must you inevitably go for the personal attacks?

Posted by: jennifert7 | May 27, 2009, 7:59 pm 7:59 pm

Giggles | May 27, 2009 6:59:18 PM—ma’am or sir, how is labeling someone “liberal” in a dismissive fashion differ from calling someone right-wing? moderate republicans will be voting for this Judge Sotomayor. right-wing senators will not. Limbaugh and Gingrich ( and Hannity, Voulter, O’Reilly) will foment xenophobia as they always do.
as to autophobia and other such psychobabble. some people can objectively look at their race, the history of their race and their fellow man. i am a white male and not at all ashamed of that. i love myself and get along with many people of both genders of my own race. just because i can see gross racism in white males from the inception of our republic to the present moment does not at all make me autophobic. you are accusing me,as Ryan_C predicted, of being a self-loathing race-traitor. call me whatever you want, Giggles, i would rather hang out in the “ghetto” (Gingrich’s word) than with some uneducated, white, racist, bigoted, xenophobic fool like Limbaugh.
the “phobia”, that loathing and hatred is coming from, as always, bigoted white males. that a perspective different from Gingrich’s might be coming to the Court is refreshing.
you may be suffering from a hystrionic disorder of some sort, perhaps a narcissism that makes you so sensitive, perhaps pathologically so about issues regarding your own race.
white males have done some very bad things Giggles, throughout history. just in the US—slavery, racism, lynching…need i go on. the radical right, and i’m not saying you are from the radical right, endorse this history fondly. there’s something not quite right about that.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm

“Running an advertising campaign accusing a general of betraying his country is a tactic?”
Yup a brutal one along the lines of fetus posters or some of the stunts PETA has pulled.
The problem I had was with the target.
General Petreaus did not make the policy.
Moveon thought it was a moot point to hit Bush.
“Condemning right wing lies and haters will giving moveon a pass is simply hypocritical”
*chuckle* I love this “if you don’t criticize them all, you can’t criticize anyone” cowardice embraced by the right wing whenever they are getting their butts handed to them.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 8:10 pm 8:10 pm

jennifert7 and jennifert8? do you write for each other?

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 27, 2009, 8:17 pm 8:17 pm

“Have you checked out the ratings Olbermann and Maddow lately? They were never good and now they’re even worse.”
ROFLMAO!
Jon & Kate Plus 8′s completely scripted and fake reality show drew 9.8M viewers to see which adulterer would have better zingers.
Ratings do not make one right, they just make one watched.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 27, 2009, 8:19 pm 8:19 pm

I agree with what he said. If a white person was to say something like that he would have been tarred and feathered. But instead the “left” has twisted this idea of what racism is and who is allowed to say racist remarks. People who dislike the right, dislike and hate it for no other reason than jus because the left says to.
Also, wisdom does not come from race or gender or status, and to think that it does is racist.

Posted by: Obamadeception | May 27, 2009, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

This is a statement that is truly outrageous and beyond the pale. Newt needs to deliver an immediate apology.

Posted by: matt | May 27, 2009, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

“Condemning right wing lies and haters while giving moveon a pass is simply hypocritical”
*chuckle* I love this “if you don’t criticize them all, you can’t criticize anyone” cowardice embraced by the right wing whenever they are getting their butts handed to them.
Posted by: Ryan C |
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Did it take a willful suspension of your reading comprehension skills to make that response?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn | May 27, 2009, 8:39 pm 8:39 pm

“Also, wisdom does not come from race or gender or status, and to think that it does is racist.”
No, wisdom comes partly from experience, education, accomplishment which Judge Soromayor has plenty of . .. it also comes from circumstances, and this was part of her point. A person (white male) raised in a society steeped in racism, may not see the blind spots inherent in the system, whereas someone raised ‘on the outside looking in’ may well see – and experience – things the ‘insider’ does not . .. and may in fact bring more relevant experience, insight and wisdom to the table. Not necessarily, but perhaps.
And that’s more or less what she said. It was an observation made by a person of race, not a racist observation.
Judge Sotomayor has long career of legal decision and judgements that can be studied and show no signs of favoratism or racism.
But you go right ahead and call her a ‘racist’ – it shows the depth of your own insight.

Posted by: danita | May 27, 2009, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

“My family’s immigrant experience shaped my judicial outlook.” (Family’s experience as immigrants influenced [this person’s] outlook on immigration cases.)
“…. when a case comes before me involving, let’s say, someone who is an immigrant ” and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases ” I can’t help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn’t that long ago when they were in that position.”
“When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that
into account.”
Words by Sonia Sotomayor? No words spoken by Alito during his confirmation hearing.

Posted by: sandy | May 27, 2009, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

Wow. Newt outs a racist after about 2 days. His history of spotting racists should be legendary but it isn’t. One would think being in the GOP as long as he has, Newt would have a very full resume of outing racists.

Posted by: doug | May 27, 2009, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm

This really is a brazen pick by Obama:
He has chosen someone that is on record as stating that the appellate court is where “policy is made”. And no: she was not saying it in jest – listen to the audio recording.
He has chosen some someone that is on record as believing in racial/ethnic/gender superiority of a “Latina women” over “white male”. And, no: this was not “taken out of context”. In fact, putting it in context makes it far worse. The context: she was speaking before an organization that calls itself “The Race” (La Raza) specifically about the qualifications of a justice and then went on to profess a belief in inherit philological differences in race to support her claims.
She is on record as ruling (Ricci vs. DeStefano) that a person meeting objective qualifications for a civil service position may be denied that position solely on the basis of race.
Her record is an affront to the principles of the Constitution. Fortunately for her though, she is not a “white male” – and as such will not be held to the same standards of decency that would have otherwise disqualified her based on any one of the three points outlined above.
And I haven’t heard one liberal answer the charge that Gingrich (or others) have levied. Would a “white male” be cast as a racist for making the same statements? We all know the answer – but all we will hear is how “outrageous” and “divisive” that the charge is.
More “change we can believe in” from the teleprompter of Americas first “post-racial” President…

Posted by: rs | May 27, 2009, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

I like that even the left is painting Sotomayor as an intellectual lightweight. She’ll be confirmed, they have the votes, but in the meantime I hope she is treated with the same respect and decency as was afforded Robert Bork. We might as well have a lefty lightweight as opposed to a lefty who might actually write opinions that will change the court for years to come. She won’t vote any differently from Souter anyway and Scalia will eat her lunch.

Posted by: ConservativeWoman | May 27, 2009, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

Is Sam Alito a racist, too? I doubt Newt would say so, b/c Alito is conservative. Nevertheless, Alito had this to say:
“Because when a case comes before me involving, let’s say, someone who is an immigrant — and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases — I can’t help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn’t that long ago when they were in that position.
[…]
“When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account.’

Posted by: Myron | May 27, 2009, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

“I like that even the left is painting Sotomayor as an intellectual lightweight”
Who on the left is claiming she is an “intellectual lightweight’?

Posted by: JKS | May 27, 2009, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

Why did Obama choose Sotomayor? What does his choice tell us about him? What message is he sending?
Most of us believe the Constitution should be interpreted as a colorblind document. Recently the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case of Ricci v. Destefano, which centered on charges of reverse discrimination at the New Haven, Connecticut fire department.
The Supreme Court is likely to side with Ricci and his fellow plaintiffs, Sotomayor’s silent endorsement of New Haven’s reverse discrimination is certain to come back to haunt her during her confirmation hearings.
Read up on this case and try to understand a president who would nominate someone integrally involved in this case presently before the Court.
It is a bold tell by President Obama.

Posted by: Hmmm... | May 27, 2009, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

Recently the Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case of Ricci v. Destefano, which centered on charges of reverse discrimination at the New Haven, Connecticut fire department.
***********************
She was part of a unanimous panel regarding this case. The 2nd circuit felt they were bound by law to uphold the district court opinion which blows any argument she’s an activist judge.
What a “bold-tell” is the right wing extremist who use this as their mantra against her. Who better to defend the white male than the party that’s only got those members remaining?
Do you want a firefighter who can write down what he is supposed to do or one who can actually perform those abilities in the field?

Posted by: Padma | May 27, 2009, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

She’s a straight up RACIST. So this is the “change” we were promised? Known racists on the Supreme Court and the great new “Indefinite Detention” program — all in addition to continuation of the Bush era spying on American citizens.
Amazing.

Posted by: paul | May 27, 2009, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

Of yes of course, President Obama is stupid enough to be nominating an obvious racist to the Supreme Court. NOT!
What is happening is certain people are stupid enough to be attempting to label Judge Sotomayor a racist. How sad . . .
Go ahead and a call her a racist. It says far more about your views than hers.

Posted by: danita | May 27, 2009, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

Paul:
another in a long list of drivel that you post, but,
go ahead and prove she’s a racist……

Posted by: Oh Yeah | May 27, 2009, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm

Parallax View – Go see the documentaries Driving While Black and Flying while Muslim and come back and tell us a white male has had the same experiences as other ethnic groups.
Are you going to tell us that knowledge or familiarity with a wide range of cultural experiences is somehow a detriment?

Posted by: Spencer | May 28, 2009, 12:51 am 12:51 am

Parallax
if you don’t understand the following and how it relates to your ‘quote’ there’s no discussing the issue with you
“each day on the bench I learn something new about the judicial process and about being a professional Latina woman in a world that sometimes looks at me with suspicion. I am reminded each day that I render decisions that affect people concretely and that I owe them constant and complete vigilance in checking my assumptions, presumptions and perspectives and ensuring that to the extent that my limited abilities and capabilities permit me,
that I reevaluate them and change as circumstances and cases before me requires.
I can and do aspire to be greater than the sum total of my experiences but I accept my limitations.
I willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage but attempt, as the Supreme Court suggests, continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate.”

Posted by: Oh Yeah | May 28, 2009, 12:58 am 12:58 am

Parallax & Paul
just in case you didn’t see Sandy’s post it would be of value to you if you made at least an attempt to realize that Sotomayor’s comments have been made by others.
Some accuracy on your part, would be a good thing.
Justice Samuel Alito’s views on family and ethnic influences as a judge:
“My family’s immigrant experience shaped my judicial outlook.” (Family’s experience as immigrants influenced [this person’s] outlook on immigration cases.)
“…. when a case comes before me involving, let’s say, someone who is an immigrant ” and we get an awful lot of immigration cases and naturalization cases ” I can’t help but think of my own ancestors, because it wasn’t that long ago when they were in that position.”
“When I get a case about discrimination, I have to think about people in my own family who suffered discrimination because of their ethnic background or because of religion or because of gender. And I do take that into account.”

Posted by: Oh Yeah | May 28, 2009, 1:06 am 1:06 am

oh yeah..A racist is a racist is a racist..doesn’t matter if your white black brown whatever there is no justification for singling out one group over another..so stop trying to justify racism with racism itself or else that makes you just as bad as the very people you are accusing of past or present wrongs…Makes it very difficult to take your views seriously…….

Posted by: Parallax View | May 28, 2009, 1:17 am 1:17 am

How about some intellectual honesty?
She made a broad sweeping statement that white males are inherently inferior in their ability to uphold the constitution because of the color of their skin and gender.
This is NOT the same as saying that the breadth of and individual’s personal experiences enrich their decisions, it is a blatant dispersion of an entire group of people.
Will she be protecting the Constitution as an American first and foremost? Her comments raise questions about her ability to rise above her personal experiences and protect all citizens equally under the law.
“An individual has not started living until he can rise above the narrow confines of his individualistic concerns to the broader concerns of all humanity.” – Martin Luther King Jr.

Posted by: Voice of Reason | May 28, 2009, 1:33 am 1:33 am

as with the election of Pres. Obama you boys are going to be disappointed when her nomination is approved, you can make all the false comparisons you want to, but in the end reason will win out and she will be on the supreme court..with any luck Pres. Obama will get to make many more picks for the court.

Posted by: Non-Revisionist | May 28, 2009, 1:44 am 1:44 am

She made a broad sweeping statement that white males are inherently inferior in their ability to uphold the constitution because of the color of their skin and gender.
Voice of Reason
talk about ‘broad sweeping statements’.. LOL
re” ‘How about some intellectual honesty? LOL
how ’bout it…..

Posted by: Rexy | May 28, 2009, 1:51 am 1:51 am

How about some intellectual honesty yourself Voice of Reason. Judge Sotomayor did not make “a broad sweeping statement that white males are inherently inferior”.
She said, “I would hope that . .. ”
“I would hope that. . . “.
Not even an “I think that” – she was aspiring to hope the breadth of her experience and circumstances might bring a more full understanding, a type of wisdom and a fuller perspective to the process – a perspective that might be missed by a white male steeped in his own type of limited experiences.
She did not say latino women are wiser than white men, nor that white men are inferior. Don’t misquote and demean her with that trash.

Posted by: danita | May 28, 2009, 1:59 am 1:59 am

“I WOULD HOPE THAT a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would MORE OFTEN THAN NOT reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn’t lived that life.”

Posted by: danita | May 28, 2009, 2:15 am 2:15 am

“I am reminded each day that I render decisions that affect people concretely and that I owe them constant and complete vigilance in checking my assumptions, presumptions and perspectives and ensuring that to the extent that my limited abilities and capabilities permit me, that I reevaluate them and change as circumstances and cases before me requires. I can and do aspire to be greater than the sum total of my experiences but I accept my limitations. I willingly accept that we who judge must not deny the differences resulting from experience and heritage but attempt, as the Supreme Court suggests, continuously to judge when those opinions, sympathies and prejudices are appropriate.”

Posted by: danita | May 28, 2009, 2:20 am 2:20 am

When I have a case involving someone who’s been subjected to discrimination because of disability, I have to think of people who I’ve known and admire very greatly who’ve had disabilities, and I’ve watched them struggle to overcome the barriers that society puts up often just because it doesn’t think of what it’s doing — the barriers that it puts up to them… Justice Alito
i guess if Sotomayor said something like that the crazies would be screaming… ‘she’s prejudiced for the disabled’… and can’t be trusted with guarding the constitution’

Posted by: Oh Yeah | May 28, 2009, 2:21 am 2:21 am

Gingrich’s mistake here is attempting to hold her to the “white male” standard. I.e. would a “white male” who said the following be forced to withdraw:
“I WOULD HOPE THAT a wise white male with the richness of his experiences would MORE OFTEN THAN NOT reach a better conclusion than a Latina woman who hasn’t lived that life.”
- commenting on judicial qualifications before all-white group calling itself “The Race”

Posted by: rs | May 28, 2009, 4:59 am 4:59 am

If I never heard anything else about Newt or Sonia.. I would be ok with it.. this is a non-event.. not even worth an argument.

Posted by: DontGet818OnMeNow | May 28, 2009, 9:05 am 9:05 am

I can’t say for sure whether Sonia Sotomayor is a racist, but I think she needs to go to a diversity-training workshop after this.

Posted by: Vanessa | May 28, 2009, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Hmmm… | May 27, 2009 10:28:43 PM—”ry to understand a president who would nominate someone integrally involved in this case presently before the Court.” all supreme court justices nominated from a US Court of Appeals post have cases they have decided before the court. they do not decide these cases, they recuse themselves. judges recuse themselves everyday in courts all over the country for conflict-of-interest reasons. and supreme court justices recuse themselves as well. that Judge Sotomayor has cases she decided and which have been appealed to the US Supreme Court is not surprising. every justice has had to deal with conflicts and recusals. why don’t you read up?

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 28, 2009, 10:42 am 10:42 am

“another in a long list of drivel that you post, but,
go ahead and prove she’s a racist” Posted by: Oh Yeah | May 27, 2009 11:53:05 PM
No need. She’s doing it herself.
Problem is most of America has it’s collective hands over it’s eyes, ears, or mouths.

Posted by: Dr. Robotnik | May 28, 2009, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Paul Wall: “I can’t say for sure whether Sonia Sotomayor is a racist . . . I think she needs to go to a diversity-training workshop after this.”
You answered your own question. Only racists would need “diversity-training,” and she has sufficiently proved to be in need of some. Apparently, her “tapestry” of “rich experiences” isn’t rich enough to realize that the Constitution doesn’t account for gender or race, and neither should she. Judge Sotomayor should be ashamed of herself.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2009, 11:17 am 11:17 am

Vanessa: “this is a non-event.. not even worth an argument.”
Hmm? I wonder who you voted for. In addition, I’d guess you belong to a minority race then. Maybe even Latina? I say this because only heavily biased people can’t see racism and discrimination when it is plainly exposed for all to observe.
Not only is this worth an argument, it’s worth a Supreme Court justice. Justice is suppose to be blind, but Obama and Sotomayor insist justice take a peak and let cases be influenced by gender and race. They are both a disgrace to our constitution and true justice.
Vanessa: “If I never heard anything else about Newt or Sonia.. I would be ok with it..”
If there are any fair-minded, principled individuals left in the Senate, you will get your wish, Vanessa, and never hear about Judge Sotomayor again.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2009, 11:31 am 11:31 am

I get that the Repubs are down and out, and are desperate to find a cause to rally around, but really guys, for own good, choose your battles. Obama puts up a very non-controversial, moderate judge and you guys take the bait and go for the jugular. The public is not going to be galvanized by your lame semi-coordinated attacks on a hard-working, second-generation American. I’m sure she reminds most people of the friendly librarian more than the bitter racist. In the end, she will be approved anyway, and all you’re doing is digger your 2012 hole deeper.

Posted by: debator | May 28, 2009, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

Anonymous | May 28, 2009 11:17:32 AM—you quoted someone else’s post: “Paul Wall: “I can’t say for sure whether Sonia Sotomayor is a racist . . . I think she needs to go to a diversity-training workshop after this.”
i never would write that. i know Judge Sotomayor is not a racist and whoever you quoted has it twisted and needs the training themselves.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 28, 2009, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Anonymous | May 28, 2009 11:17:32 AM—Anonymous it was Vanessa who wrote that. (Vanessa | May 28, 2009 10:14:30 AM)

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 28, 2009, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

Why does everyone think negatively when someone brings up racism? Why don’t we all be proud of where we came from, and actually believe that “My roots,” which are directly related to my heritage, culture and race, are better than “the other guys?” This correlates to being the best you can be, and once you have acheived a goal in that journey of life, then you have the right to be proud of it! There is nothing wrong with “Cheering on” your own race. Everyone is a racist, whether they admit it or not. Why do we root for the USA in the Olympics and not China? Because that’s where our roots are. So the question is…does the Judge(who will have a preference on race whoever they are) have the ability to interpret the consitution without having race sway him/her?

Posted by: Define Racism..... | May 28, 2009, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Pall Wall: “Anonymous it was Vanessa who wrote that.”
I apologize to Paul Wall and Vanessa for transposing their comments. However, my sentiment on the subject still stands for those who made the original comments.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2009, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

I just love it, with every issue we all become ‘experts’… I include myself….
law, security, morals, medical…etc.
I guess it’s good that at least most of us here do some reading on the issues of the day and try to have a somewhat reasonable chat about it….

Posted by: Yo | May 28, 2009, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm

Why does everyone think negatively when someone brings up racism? Why don’t we all be proud of where we came from, and actually believe that “My roots,”Define Racism..
you don’t understand the difference between pride in one’s heritage and the ugliness that racism represents

Posted by: Oh Yeah | May 28, 2009, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

what’s an amazing thing is that everyone seems to forget that in the age of the internet that all ‘facts’ & claims can be checked and verified somewhere for accuracy…. and politicians seem to forget that somewhere there is audio or video on what they’ve said and done.
it’s one thing to have some fun with ‘politics’ but making up stuff and claiming it’s true is dumb. This applies to both sides.

Posted by: Yo | May 28, 2009, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

Oh Yeah: “Why does everyone think negatively when someone brings up racism?”
Because racism by definition is the preference or disfavor of someone based on their race. We should all be color blind and treat each other equally regardless of race or gender.
Oh Yeah: “you don’t understand the difference between pride in one’s heritage and the ugliness that racism represents”
Pride in one’s heritage is fine. Although, I fail to see how a pride in one’s heritage has anything to do with fairly judging cases based only on law. Too often is the case, as we see with Judge Sotomayor, that pride in one’s heritage can quickly turn to racism (or what some refer to as reverse-racism). It’s a fine line that all minorities need to be sensitive to. Race and gender should not be a factor in our justice system — period.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2009, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Sotomayor is a racist and Obama is just another cynical, manipulative politician who picked her based on her demographics.

Posted by: paul | May 28, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Anonymous
yes, it’s always a fine line for a Justice to be objective.. you mention that you ‘don’t see how pride in heritage’ would play a role a fair hearing..
I don’t think Sotomayor’s expalnation is any different then when Justice Alito suggested that his heritage, and family history would no doubt influence his decisions.. there was no outcry of racism then….

Posted by: Oh Yeah | May 28, 2009, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Anonymous
Justice Alito further suggested that his observing the struggles and difficulties society places on the disabled would also ‘affect’ his decision making process..

Posted by: Oh Yeah | May 28, 2009, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm

“I don’t think Sotomayor’s expalnation is any different then when Justice Alito suggested that his heritage, and family history would no doubt influence his decisions.. there was no outcry of racism then….”
She flat-out said that someone of a particular RACE and GENDER was better at something than anyone of another RACE and GENDER. Sorry you don’t understand that that is the very definition of RACISM.
Though I think you do understand but are saying otherwise due to your own cynicism and hypocrisy.

Posted by: paul | May 28, 2009, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm

Gingrich.. and you are a womanizer. Could not even remain loyal to your wife while she was going through breast cancer. I think I can deal with a racist because that is a sign of ignorance….what is your excuse..not able to keep commitments. You cheated on the second wife also and I think there is a third one who I feel is brave to go with you in the first place.
You had to resign from your position also and had some financial problems to sstraighten out re book deal so people who live in glass houses should not be calling anyone, anything. By the way, your disrespect for Colin Powell shows your ignorance.

Posted by: talmag | May 28, 2009, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

Racism is hate. She’s not being hateful. Get over it. She’s being blunt and honest, and I’m sure she has stories to back it up. She is already as qualified as any White man by going to Princeton and Yale Law. But were those White men originated from the Bronx, where it’s hard to even pass classes in school because your cognitive resources are taken up by trying to fight poverty, and skin-color discrimination? I think not.

Posted by: Jeffrey | May 28, 2009, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

Oh Yeah: “I don’t think Sotomayor’s expalnation is any different then when Justice Alito suggested that his heritage, and family history would no doubt influence his decisions . . .”
If Justice Alito said what Judge Sotomayor said, then I would disagree with both of them and find them both unqualified to serve in the Supreme Court. Of course, Justice Alito didn’t say the same thing, therefore I have no problem with him. It’s one thing to acknowledge one’s experiences in life inevitably affect one as a person, but it is quite another to act as if someone would be a better judge of the law based on a specific race and/or gender. That’s where you, Obama, Sotomayor, and the rest of you liberals fail to see a distinction and fail at nominating Supreme Court justices.
I suggest you stop blindly following your left-wing sites like HuffPo and do some independent research on the full context and full quotes of what both Alito and Scalia said before you continue to bandy about what you think is a political-gotcha. You liberals are classic for taking conservatives out of context as well as redirecting criticism. Neither are valid defenses, and neither will the American people care about. However, they will care about some of Judge Sotomayor’s choice racist and sexist quotes.
Scalia and Alito already went through their confirmation process and have been sitting on the court for years now. Now is Sotomayor’s time for confirmation, and the American people have every right to criticize and question her — especially in light of her racist and sexist comments. I will be very disappointed if she does indeed get confirmed. Although, I am already plenty used to disappointment with Obama in office.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2009, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

Jeffery: “Racism is hate. She’s not being hateful.”
Wrong. Racism involves the belief that one race is superior to another which is exactly what Judge Sotomayor said (Judge Sotomayor: “a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male”). Hate may or may not be involved. I suggest you look it up. The definition is included below for Jeffery and the other lazy and ignorant people here. Based on her comments and the definition of racism, there’s no doubt Judge Sotomayor is a racist — through and through.
Racism: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2009, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

So anonymous, is this statement racist?
“The American people believe English should be the official language of the government. … We should replace bilingual education with immersion in English so people learn the common language of the country and they learn the language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto,”

Posted by: Ryan C | May 28, 2009, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm

Ryan C: “So anonymous, is this statement racist?”
Another liberal taking a conservative out of context. Who would of thunk it? Further, Newt already apologized for the misunderstanding in Spanish and clarified his position.
To answer your question — no. Newt was speaking to the fact that English is the language most used in the “land of prosperity,” and in order to share in that prosperity, everyone must speak it’s language — English. This isn’t a racist idea, but instead a responsible and necessary one. This idea that we should graduate students in America without requiring they learn English is nothing but political pandering and will only serve to graduate ill-prepared Americans into the workforce — making the public school system even less effective than it is. Newt and conservatives are on the compassionate side of the issue. It’s a shame your bias blinds liberals like you from such simple and important facts.
Regardless, this isn’t about anyone else other than Judge Sotomayor and her struggles with racism and sexism. You can try to redirect criticism toward Republicans, but logical and conscious people know that has no bearing on her confirmation. She alone will determine her qualifications for the Supreme Court. To this point she has proven unqualified.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2009, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm

“Another liberal taking a conservative out of context. Who would of thunk it? Further, Newt already apologized for the misunderstanding in Spanish and clarified his position.”
So he doesn’t think Spanish is the language of the ghetto, he just said so by accident?
The right wing is really too cute by half thinking that they have been unfairly maligned for saying racist things that somehow justifies their calling Sotomayor a racist.
2010 is gonna be fun.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 28, 2009, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm

“We should replace bilingual education with immersion in English so people learn the common language of the country and they learn the language of prosperity, not the language of living in a ghetto,”
RyanC, do you seriously not understand what that statement means? First of all, a language is not a “race”, nor is any language exclusive to any race, so your point is moot.
Aside from that, what that statement means is that the better people can communicate with those around them, the more successful they will all be. I hardly think I would be very successful if I moved to China and spoke only English. When one refuses or is unable to communicate with the majority of the people around them, they are isolated and ghettoized. The same could be said for illiteracy.

Posted by: paul | May 28, 2009, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

“logical and conscious people know that has no bearing on her confirmation.”
She will be confirmed because she is highly qualified.
The right wing racist base will be angry that an uppity Latino woman dared say she was better than a white man (regardless of the truth) and their sure to be public hatred will blow what little Hispanic support the GOP has left.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 28, 2009, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

“do you seriously not understand what that statement means? First of all, a language is not a “race”, nor is any language exclusive to any race, so your point is moot.”
He called Spanish the language of the ghetto.
Not sure what is more pathetic, trying to call Sotomayor a racist or defending actual racist statements by racist right wingers.

Posted by: Ryan C | May 28, 2009, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

Anonymous wrote “She alone will determine her qualifications for the Supreme Court. To this point she has proven unqualified.” if it’s her determination wouldn’t she be qualified. if it’s your or my determination isn’t that a matter of opinion and politics. ultimately it is up to the US Senate. i hope she is approved. i believe she is correct in her assertion that someone with her background and life experiences would make better decisions (especially issues of equality and social justice as she asserts) than many white men. it is a fact that white men in this nation have been historically privileged and continue to be so. most have no idea what it is like to endure racism. there are legends on the court, like Justice William J. Brennan, who would be exceptional. i feel her perspective and views are valid and relevant. her education and judicial experience only add to that.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 28, 2009, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

Anonymous | May 28, 2009 5:30:28 PM—aren’t you the race-baiter ma’am or sir? Gingrich did call spanish a “ghetto” language. so what if he apologized. it’s what’s in his heart. he is an irrelevant racist just like O’Reilly, Coulter, Hannity. he’s just a Limbaugh with an education. make no mistake he is a racist, a lifelong believer in white male privilege. those days are over.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 28, 2009, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

“He called Spanish the language of the ghetto.”
Spanish is a language of a ghetto if you are in an English speaking country and that is the only language you speak. How successful do you think people who live in Spanish-only neighborhoods in this country? Or in Brazil? Or Quebec?
How successful do you think I will be in China speaking only English? I will have two choices — learn to speak Chinese and function and succeed in their society — or refuse to learn Chinese and isolate myself into a small enclave of people who speak only English and try to get by.
Again, you know this is true, but you are arguing merely for the sake of defending your partisan position.

Posted by: paul | May 28, 2009, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

paul | May 28, 2009 5:45:06 PM—everyone, including Gingrich, knows what he meant by calling Spanish a “language of the ghetto.” it has nothing to do with political views. it’s racist pure and simple and disingenuous to imply otherwise.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 28, 2009, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

“everyone, including Gingrich, knows what he meant by calling Spanish a “language of the ghetto.” it has nothing to do with political views. it’s racist pure and simple and disingenuous to imply otherwise.”
I believe you may be projecting your own views, however repressed, onto others. A language is not a race. A language is a tool to communicate with the people of a given time or place. If you don’t have that tool, you will not succeed in that time or place, and you will be ghettoized. That’s a fact.
I say this based on the assumption that you actually know the definition and history of the “ghetto”, rather than familiarity with it only from an American rap song. Ghettos exist in every country and culture of the world, and race is only one of many determinants of becoming ghettoized. Language barriers are another.

Posted by: paul | May 28, 2009, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

Ryan C: “So he doesn’t think Spanish is the language of the ghetto, he just said so by accident?”
No, you and other liberal race-baiters like you just misunderstood. Again, your weak attempts at redirecting criticism from Judge Sotomayor’s racism and sexism and her confirmation hearings are pathetic and irrelevant. Let’s get back to you defending a racist, sexist, liberal.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2009, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

cool, Paul. i challenge you to go to ask Latinos how they feel. yeah language is a tool but people use tools and Gingrich was talking about people not tools. i live in an Hispanic community in a large american city and predict a fat lip to anyone who uttered any such foolish drivel as Gingrich did. it’s only not racist when you say such things to special groups on university campuses or AM radio. Gingrich would never make those comments to certain audiences and not because he would be misunderstood but that he would be understood.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 28, 2009, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

“i live in an Hispanic community in a large american city and predict a fat lip to anyone who uttered any such foolish drivel as Gingrich did.”
So you’re saying that the people who live there are irrational and violent? That really is what you’re saying, though I know it’s not what you intended…but it’s evidently what you think.
“Gingrich would never make those comments to certain audiences and not because he would be misunderstood but that he would be understood.”
Of course he wouldn’t! He’s a politician (like Obama) and they are generally quite cowardly and they seem to have an inability to tell people anything other than what they want to hear…even when it’s the truth and hearing would actually be beneficial to them. But as audiences are also generally quite cowardly and unable to handle the truth, this practice would greatly cut into the politicians vote tally. Can’t have that, can we?

Posted by: paul | May 28, 2009, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm

Paul, you will have to forgive many of us who have listened and read over the years to people like Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly, Gingrich and Savage and come to the conclusion that these men are racists. Gingrich because of his comments (not just his recent ones) has lost credibility. Limbaugh never had any. to hear Limbaugh talk about other people being racists is pathetic. some people will never be taken seriously. those who take them seriously are white, mostly uneducated, males who do nothing but make Judge Sotomayor’s point.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 28, 2009, 6:39 pm 6:39 pm

oh, Paul, he’s a politician! i get it. the people in my community are neither violent nor irrational. if they heard Gingrich’s speech they could comprehend very well what he was saying. if Gingrich doesn’t want to give his “Spanish as a ghetto language” speech to certain communities you have to ask yourself why. Gingrich isn’t a politician right now is he? or perhaps he is running for office and i am unaware? he wouldn’t give his little hate speech because that’s what it is and he and people like Limbaugh (et al) are cowards who would never dare address the people they disparage and not because they are politicians but because they are cowards.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 28, 2009, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

Paul Wall: “. . . are white, mostly uneducated, males who do nothing but make Judge Sotomayor’s point.”
What is it that makes Judge Sotomayor’s point? Being male, being white, or being uneducated.
According to Judge Sotomayor, just being male and white makes you a lesser judge than your average Latina. Apparently, one’s level of education is completely irrelevant. After all, Latina’s are naturally smarter, according to Judge Sotomayor. Obama and Democrats should be ashamed of their racist, sexist, nominee.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 28, 2009, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

This article is bogus. Imagine a white male saying “Imagine a judicial nominee said ‘my experience as a white man makes me better than a latina woman,’” VS what she actually said are two completely different statements. When she refers to herself as the “latina woman” having experience that the “white man” wouldnt have are completely different than saying than simply saying she is better for the job, or even smarter. It is true that she may have experience than a white man would have, and a black man, and a chinese man, she simply said “white” because we live in a country well that has always been the dominant race, and yes, she would have knowledge that a white man wouldnt have, and he would have knowledge that she doesn’t have. It’s about equality.

Posted by: Emily | May 28, 2009, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

some rather ‘easy’ usage of the word racism here, I’m sure many here are not trying to equate what Sotomayor said to the KKK or Aryan Nation.
it’s easy to understand why Obama chose her just by reading some of the posts here, she will bring common sense with her as Justice.
Is there a political calculation to the nomination,.. of course.., does that mean she is somehow unqualified,.. no.., historically, is she an ‘activist’ judge, …no… are there some who disagree with some of her opinions ,, of course…….is what she said ‘racist’… of course not and if you bother to read or watch all of it you could not come to the conclusion that she was ‘racist’ unless you are interested in playing semantic games.

Posted by: Dewde | May 28, 2009, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Anonymous | May 28, 2009 6:59:07 PM—you know very well she did not say “smarter.” please, for God’s sake liste. or view the ENTIRE speech. not what Rush said, not what O’Reilly said. she said that minority judges bring to the table experiences that (most) white males don’t have. Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, and the whole laundry list of radical-right hate spinners have no idea of what it is like to live as a minority in this nation and they are fully and venomously dismissive and contemptuous of the minority experience in America. these white men foment racial hatred and divisiveness. please never compare Judge Sotomayor with any of these right wing bigots. she is no racist, no by a long shot. just read or listen to HER words and perhaps you shall finally understand.

Posted by: Paul Wall | May 28, 2009, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

So many people are looking to scuttle the nomination of Sonia Sotomayor by talking about little things she may have said. However, they are all looking in the wrong place. Sonia Sotomayor either buried or ignored the complaint (and evidence) of very serious judicial misconduct by one of the judges she was supervising. No one should be on the Supreme Court who does that.

Posted by: Angel Justice | May 28, 2009, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

Dewde: “some rather ‘easy’ usage of the word racism here”
Racism takes many forms and can have many shades. Often times racism is subtle and can be difficult to detect for those perpetrating it. By definition, Judge Sotomayor holds racist views and therefore is a racist. That’s not my opinion, that’s fact based on what she said and the definition of racism. Sadly, because Judge Sotomayor is a minority many are unable or unwilling to acknowledge these facts and hold her accountable.
Dewde: “does that mean she is somehow unqualified”
I think it’s the racism and sexism that makes her unqualified.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2009, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Paul Wall: “you know very well she did not say “smarter.”"
She didn’t need to as it was implied when she said: “. . . a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male . . .” To say a “wise” Latina will reach “better conclusions” is the same as saying Latinas are smarter. Just read what she said for what she said.
Paul Wall: “she said that minority judges bring to the table experiences that (most) white males don’t have.”
No she didn’t. Read the quote I provided above. She said Latinas and their “rich experience” will frequently reach a “better conclusion” than white males without that rich Latina experience. Again, she asserts that Latinas are inherently capable of better judgments.
Paul Wall: “not what Rush said, not what O’Reilly said . . . Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, and the whole laundry list of radical-right hate spinners”
For your information, I have come to my own conclusions on Judge Sotomayor without the aid of any outside conservative influence. Think of it this way — great minds think alike. In any case, the conclusion is the correct one — Judge Sotomayor is a racist and a sexist.
Paul Wall: “. . . have no idea of what it is like to live as a minority in this nation”
This is very similar to Judge Sotomayor’s views on race. One cannot properly or fairly “judge” a situation without having been a minority. I disagree and thankfully, so does our Constitution. Which brings us to what this is really about. This isn’t about minority experiences or the experiences of anyone. Instead, this is about nominating a supreme court justice who believes justice is blind and that our Constitution is the strict law of the land.
Paul Wall: “she is no racist, no by a long shot. just read or listen to HER words . . .”
That’s the problem — I have listened to here words, and have found her to be racist, by definition. Not only is Judge Sotomayor a racist, but she’s sexist too. If you don’t like it, I suggest you lobby your liberal representatives for a new nominee that is actually qualified.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 29, 2009, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

I’ve read her entire Berkeley speech, and contextualizing her comment about a Latina woman being a better judge than a white man doesn’t really change the meaning – it is still racist. This, combined with her role in upholding Ricci v. DeStefano, makes me very concerned about her ability or willingness to judge citizens of all races and both sexes equally before the law.
If a white man nominated for the USSC had said a similar thing, he would be pilloried as a racist. Sotomayer also goes on saying more things about her being a “Latina” woman being such a unique thing. I would prefer someone nominated for the court to be concerned with equality of the law and not so hung up on her skin color.

Posted by: Done | May 29, 2009, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm

I really did not think the Republicans would go there. But they did!

Posted by: sue gold | May 29, 2009, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

sue gold: “I really did not think the Republicans would go there. But they did!”
Go where exactly? In your criticize of Republicans, you’ve revealed that you too detected racially insensitive tones in Judge Sotomayor’s past comments. Apparently, Republicans weren’t the only one’s to “go there.” Thanks for the confirmation.

Posted by: Anonymous | June 3, 2009, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

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