Gingrich: Pelosi ‘Disqualified Herself’ From Being Speaker

But George Tenet is “worthy?” Hehe. Newt needs to get him a job! He left in shame from government office. He’s still stucked! Angry. George Tenet DID lie to the American people, and pleeeeze, does he really think the CIA told the Democrats or “anybody” that they was backing the BUSH administration to Torture our Captives! Newt Gingrich, you can go back in your “hole” now, and practices what you preach. Nancy told the truth. They Didn’t brief her about their plans to Torture.

Newt’s just mad he got caught with poor ethics and had to resign the speaker position so he wants to see Pelosi do it as well. His time is past.

The previous administration had contempt to spare for the CIA professionals whose analyses it twisted to suit its foregone conclusions, and endangered them (with Mr.Cheneys right-hand man taking the fall for him and going to jail in the Valerie Plame scandal). Mr. Gingrich was possibly the most hypocritical (e.g., his multiple affairs while hounding Clinton over Lewinsky – this distraction tangibly weakened our national security), partisan and dishonest (e.g., 22 bounced checks) speaker in history. Why then listen to him?

Pelosi disqualified herself when she declared illegal aliens the “true patriots” and proposed giving all of them amnesty and citizenship and allowing each of them to bring in 10 relatives. (A little over a year ago) Thank God most House Democrats and Republicans alike showed no support for the idea.
Plain and simple, the lady is dangerous. She has no idea what she is doing beyond worshiping Obama and opposing anything any Republican proposes.

Line me up with Machod. Pelosi should step down and eventually will. If not for this fiasco it will be for something equally flamable. Come on folks this is a stupid person. I would have liked to have been in the room when she met with Assad a couple of years back, the Syrians were probably thinking “Holy Allah”, “is this woman actually in a position of responsibility in the U.S. Government”?

Many of you are correct. Bush is no longer the President. Sooo since he authorized the torture, he should be brought up on war crimes! You call it deflecting, huh? Bush and Cheney BROKE THE LAW! Both the US law and International law! Bush LIED to the nation, “We do not torture!”, remember that? But all your interested in is if Nancy knew!

Why does everyone assume that Pelosi is being untruthful? Has the CIA ever told the truth about anything? CIA operatives are paid to lie, that is what a spy does. The CIA certainly lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Most of the good information we have had about terrorists probably comes from other organizations – like the FBI.

Many of you are correct. Bush is no longer the President. Sooo since he authorized the torture, he should be brought up on war crimes! You call it deflecting, huh? Bush and Cheney BROKE THE LAW! Both the US law and International law! Bush LIED to the nation, “We do not torture!”, remember that? But all your interested in is if Nancy knew!
Posted by: try the truth | May 20, 2009 8:12:04 AM
— Show us the laws that were broken. Dont you wonder why bush has not been tried and convicted if what you are saying is correct??? Could it be you are WRONG????

Gingrich and Pelosi are of the same ilk. They have both used their position as Speaker to promote partisan politics of the worse kind. For Gingrich to criticize Pelosi really takes unmitigated gall. It is really dreadful to think that Gingrich was, and Pelosi is, in line for the Presidency after the Vice President.

Gingrich is just the lastest lame GOP voice to try to bring division and devisivness into the mix. A childs game to take out a competitor so they can slip one of their own into the position. Getting tired of the GOP ranting and raving and attacking while holding no cards.

I hope the Democrats keep Pelosi as Speaker. She is confused and incompetent and just what the Democrats need to push Obama’s socialist agenda. So far, we have double-digit unemployment in some major states and key commodity prices are rising. By the way, Democrat voters, how’s that “hope and change” working out for you? When national unemployment is over 10% and when inflation is climbing to double-digits (thanks to over $2 trillion in “stimulus”) will you still be bitterly clinging to Obama’s bogus “hope and change”?

Pelosi has shown herself to be untrustworthy and incapable of taking responsibility for her actions. (Lying to save her political skin). The Dems will not do anything to remove her. She will not step down.
“Power corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely”

I can’t take any more of Reid and Pelosi–they both ought to resign and in a hurry! She’s been a thorn in the Dem’s side ever since she took office and started bashing the Bush Administration for everything but the weather. No, wait. She’s blaming him for Global Warming too!!!

He has it right!

Having had an affair is quite different than calling the CIA liars, and George Tennent was a Clinton appointee, and stole and destroyed records on behave of the Clintons, not Bush. It should scare people just as much that Biden is second in command, as it does Pelosi is third. What a scary bunch of poloticians we have in charge right now. What the heck were you people thinking? We’re all going to be driving smart cars and eating humus.

We have been over this before

“He was leading the charge for Clinton’s impeachment for the Lewinsky affair while he was cheating on his wife.”
Gingrich was leading the charge to impeach Clinton NOT because he was having an affair, no one cared who about that, it was because Clinton “LIED” about it, and was caught in his lie.
Pelosi isn’t in hot water because she either knew or didn’t know about the EITs; its because in her partisan zeal she “LIED” about knowing and was caught in her own lie.
Turns out she isn’t even a very good lier because she can’t remember what she said from one news conference to another, and she apparently forgot they get recorded.
Bush and Cheney didn’t lie about EIT’s, because in the interest of National Security and your safety, THEY DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING.
Do you see the difference?

Bush didn’t lie, he did what he believed was necessary to put an end to the threat that continued to come from Iraq. Weapons were found, just not in the volume that Saddam said he had them. And we had stocks were at an all time high of 17000 in Oct. 2007, right before the Dems took over both houses and decided they needed to do something to mess things up so they could win the White House. You can believe all the rhetoric you want, but look back at the facts. If we could have been getting some type of substative legislation out of the house for the past 2 years, instead of 18 attempts to bring the Bush adminitration up on impeachment charges, and outlawing light bulbs, maybe we wouldn’t be sitting where we are now.

exactly,….Newt Gingrich continues to Newt the republic party

What was done, was not classified as torture at the time, and it saved thousands of American lives before it did. If you’d have know people that died on 9-11, or if it had been your child, or father, or mother, perhaps you would look at this through different eyes. I don’t see anyone wanting to take Clinton or Reno to court for decimating our intelligence services and passing rules that made it against the law for them to communicate to each other, which led to the lack of responce to all the separate signals as to what led up to 9-11.

GLSn – No, on Monday Nov. 7th, 2005 Pres. Bush stated in Panama City that the nation is at war with an enemy “that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again. And so, you bet, we’ll aggressively pursue them, but we’ll do so under the law.” Bush, who spoke to reporters during a brief visit to the capital of Panama, also asserted, “We do not torture.” Washington Post

First off, the GOP went after Clinton for committing perjury, he committed a felony, and admitted it in front of the whole nation, yes his lie was about sex but given that he lied about it in a sexual harassment suit it was a big deal. Second republicans don’t think Nancy should be prosecuted for not saying anything or approving torture, we don’t think anybody should be prosecuted. All we’re saying is that she’s a hypocrite for not doing or saying anything about this until she could gain from it politically. Nancy has already lied about this subject and has offered no proof while the CIA has not been caught in a lie and has offered proof for their side of the story so saying that the CIA is lying and acting like it’s ridiculous to think it’s Nancy is just partisan crap.

My grandfather was a veteran of the second world war. He landed in Normandy and fought his way right to the end. He also beat up prisoners, ‘torturing’ them for information far worse than anything done today. I’m sure waterboarding is a lot less traumatic than getting your teeth knocked out with an entrenching tool. Prisoners in war are always tricked, tormented, pressured and tortured for information by all sides that have any sense of self preservation. Happily during a real shooting war the lawyers stay far away from the front lines, so we are not afflicted with their prattle.
Nancy is a scatterbrained liar and has the leadership qualities of a chicken. She agreed with the torture at the time but is unwilling to confront the destructive anti-American insane left of her party. She would rather dump on the CIA than offend this disgusting rabble. Now that she has crippled our intelligence gathering ability, I hope that the first nuke goes off in the Bay area.

Are people really thinking that it’s impossible that the CIA lied? How depressingly naive.

what i dont get is everyone forgets that of the three guys waterboarded, one of them was directly responsible for 9-11 and the deaths of over 3000 americans that day, and he had information they were able to extract to prevent a second wave from hitting L.A. So all those who think these techniques are so bad, what you are realy saying is that it is preferable to let hundreds if not thousands of americans die in an attack we could have prevented with a little persuasion. i would prefer we gut the terrorists if it saves one american life. but this is the liberal way, befreind and protect your enemies, sell your allies down the river. pelosi needs to resign, she lied about what she knew, and in her position this is unacceptable. so all you liberals who think youre always right, your side could never lie, grow up and face reality

The CIA, black planes, snatching people away in the night,oooohhhhh.
Get real, could they have lied? Maybe, except the meetings were with other people also, that said they didn’t. The only one that says she was lied to is Pelosi, and that was only after she got caught lying herself. So don’t be so blinded by your partisan beliefs that you refuse to understand, ALL our politicians are lying, and care only about keeping power and milking us of as much tax money as they can.

Are people really thinking that it’s impossible that Pelosi lied? How depressingly naive. I mean shes a carrer politician. its a requirement they tell a certain number of lies a day.

Pelosi is so bad that she has become an asset to the Republicans. The more she screws up, the more her staff has to compensate for, the more they have to compensate for, the less Obama poison legislation gets done. That’s a good thing. 9000 pork items in the stimulus program really helped most Americans see thru their duplicity. Expensive, but a very valuable lesson. As unemployment exceeds 10%, inflation approaches 15%, oil returns to $125 a barrel, tax increases choke business and job creation, doctors decide to retire because they don’t get paid enough, and everyone realizes that no one qualifies for mortgage assistance, the Socialist revolution will die hard and fast. Then again, if Iran nukes Isreal or another 9/11 happens first – it will die even faster. Hopefully, the electorate will be more careful next time about voting in another duplicitous fast talker.

I find it interesting and rather sad, that when confronted with actual statements, the date of those statements and rules of law, many of you are so blinded with your bias that you are only interested in who knew, not who perpetrated these acts! Here’s an analogy you may be able to understand. A drunk driver plows into anther car killing people, but the police go after a person who was at the bar who may or may not of spoken with them because they feel that person should have know they were drunk! That’s what Newt is asking and your falling for it hook, line and sinker!

The ones that didn’t know about the waterboarding were those of us that didn’t need to know, because then the enemy would know and could prepare for it. Pelosi is not in trouble because of what she knew, or when she knew it. She’s in trouble for standing up all self rightious and asking for criminal investigation, and then lying about the fact that she was involved in it. It’s never the act, it’s the cover-up.

Can we be clear about something… Newt was ACCUSED of ethical violations. By the left. Who was trying to smear him. And he was COMPLETELY EXONERATED. A minor point… but to some of you who keep slandering the guy… READ YOUR HISTORY!!!

This is news? Please! Let us know only if any of the GOPer is doing something constructive for the country.

I believe next election is going to be quite a sweep, hope it’s not to late by then. I also hope the GOP doesn’t make the same mistake and make so many concessions to the Dems to try and be bi-partisan only to get hacked in the neck again. The far left socialist agenda doesn’t work, look at California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Rode Island, and all the other liberal controlled states, they are in the worst shape, and have their hands out for federal bailouts.
Come on people, go to the tea parties on July forth, and take back your rights.

George – Thank you! Facts, laws and common decency seem to confuse many people here. They get distracted by the “shiny object”! Have a good day!

Ok, if you want to bring Bush up on war crimes, How about bringing Clinton up on war crimes for failure to prevent 9/11?? While he was busy getting hummers in the oval office?

Bush lied. He’s gone. Cheney lied. He’s gone. Gingrich did other things. He’s gone. Nancy lied AND did other things. She should be gone too.

The Dems have got themselves into a pickle. They supported Bush when it was politically acceptable. Then had to turn on him to keep the hard left happy. Now they want to burn Bush, but realize they’re to close to the fire. That’s why we have Pelosi lying and caniving. What a silly woman she is! Not a leader, but a back bencher and a fool!

To those defending Pelosi by indicating that the milk can is calling the swill bucket sour, I can only point out that the swill bucket is still certainly sour, no matter how much your own political persuasions color your vision. Diane Sawyers pretense that a republican house member’s view of the CIA should be equated to the SPEAKERS distrust, shows which side of the RED-BLUE divide she lives on. Newt makes an intellectual case that Pelosi is NOT qualified to be third in line. Ad hominem attacks against Gingrich, or unsound arguments by false comparisons do not change the validity of Gingrich’s rational. Pelosi is in fact unfit to serve as speaker.

It’s really not that difficult, people.
Pelosi lied with regard to knowing about enhanced interrogation techniques, and the C.I.A. lied to Congress about the extent to which the techniques were used. That’s the uncomfortable truth for everyone. Both sides are lying, and they’re doing it for very obvious reasons.
Pelosi is attacking the C.I.A. now because she has lost the faith of her constituents since it has become known that she authorized waterboarding. The C.I.A. is attacking her because there is a lot more to the enhanced interrogation story that they don’t want us to know.
She’s a politician and they’re the C.I.A.! These people are all professional liars. Stop picking sides and wake up to the sad fact that your government is less than trustworthy.

Pelosi has done nothing but continue the LONG-STANDING liberal tradition of demeaning our service men and women.
Liberals in power hate our military, capitalism, and America in general. Yet somehow, the idiot masses keep voting these people in office because they actually believe they ware going to make their lives better with more gov’t.

Anyone remember Trent Lot? Comments at a birthday party for Strom Thermon led the Dems to demand his resignation. How does a private birthday party with a vague comment interpreted as racist by those who are the most racist compare with this, a vastly more serious comment pointed at likely innocent people. If we don’t police these rogue politicians we are in deep trouble. Mexico’s current troubles are due to past appeasements of evil. Pelosi appears willing to lie to the nation and bear a false witness against innocent people. She should be required to resign from congress.

Pelosi is a liar. Biden is a buffoon. Obama is a child. Reid is a whiner….These are the people leading our great country…We have all gone insane! These people will attempt to destroy our great country by FOLLOWING europe down its path to mediocrity. Change…Yes we can!

Connie, EXACTLY, I say dump them all and start over, like 3 election cycles in a row, starting at home and working our way through Washington, and keep getting rid of them until they get rid of the lobbyists and start doing what’s right for the people.

Speaking of torture. I spend 30 days in the Navy brig run by US Marines. We would have welcomed waterboarding as something cool and refreshing. The Marines do worse things to each other just to break up the boredum!

Nancy Pelosi hates the Republicans so much she’s looking to do damage whenever she can. All of a sudden the tables were turned by Cheney who reminded the public she bought into it. Rather than own up, her hate forced her to deny she was briefed, because owning up meant she was part of the deal. Her disconnect is so great that she probably didn’t even realize she was lying. Waterboard her and the results will show she thought she was telling the truth. I mean, she doesn’t lump herself in with the evil Bushies on a gut psychological level. She needs a psychologist for Bush derangement syndrome. As for Newt, when he was speaker, his mistake was he didn’t smile while he was sticking it to them. He needed to learn that from Bill Clinton. Hate does strange things to people and Newt was and Nancy is caught up in it. Newt appears to be recovered. Ms Former Speaker will have to recover after she steps down.

spiffeb:”Have you noticed that no other Democrat who was a part of these briefings has spoken up to corroborate Ms. P’s version of events? Doesn’t that seem odd? ”
Have you noticed that Sen. Bob Graham (retired) spoke up last week to corroborate Pelosi’s version, and as support pointed out that the low level staffers in the meeting would not have been there if such sensitive issues were discussed in detail? Or how the CIA has as attending at least one of these briefing a staffer who was explicitly banned from attending?
Doesn’t it seem odd how the right wing is lying and exaggerating to try to make this into a big scandal?

Why do democrats defend Pelosi by putting down others?
Because that’s their only means of defense. For years whenever a Democrat does anything wrong their defense is to deny, deny, deny, and attack the accuser. The Democratic party has always been a bunch of anti-American Socialist liars and hypocrites. Now Hussein Obama is trying to shove their Socialist agenda down everyone’s throats. Real Americans won’t stand for that but nobody ever accused a Democrat of being a real American.

The evolution of Pelosi’s lie:
1) I knew nothing, wingnuts!
2) OK, I knew something, but I didn’t know what!
3) OK, I knew it was waterboarding, but I didn’t know they were actually going to use it.
4) OK, I knew they already had used it after I signed off on it from previous briefings that I for some reason failed to attend, but my staffer didn’t tell me everything I needed to know, even though they did.
5) IT’S BUSH’S FAULT!
6) The CIA LIES ALL THE TIME TO ME!
This, ladies and gentlemen, is the Democrats’ idea of “an adult” running the Congress. This is their idea of competence, integrity and honesty.
No wonder the first 100 days and many more to come have been and will be an economic, employment and national security disaster. By the way, Iran just tested a long-range missile.
All that talking Barry’s been doing – that tough, smart diplomacy – sure looks like it has them shaking in their boots, doesn’t it?

jhw539 – have to say I missed the Bob Graham statements. Even so, I would have expected more speaking out if Ms. Pelosi stated something that many involved agreed with.
I don’t think we should make this a partisan issue at all – to your statements about ‘right wing lying and exaggerating’. I think the same discussion would/should be happening if the current speaker was republican. Don’t you?

Like tychisum says Nancy told the truth because she told it in so many ways it has to be the truth

Oh, and here comes the “socialist” and “real American” posts. The ones that have nothing to do with the topic, but are brought up when the “Do as I say not as I do” Repubs can’t debate the facts! A real American should be outraged that the previous commander in chief broke US and International Law! A real American would use the tools that we are blessed with, unlimited access to information not just what the government wants us to know. You should try using it instead of spouting of your very old talking points and showing your true self by the way you refer to OUR PRESIDENT. As much as I didn’t care for Pres. Bush or his policies, as you see from my posts I was always respectful because He was my President and with that office he did, no matter how much I didn’t like him deserve my respect. Maybe you should try it!

Baja_ha, At 8:48 today, try the truth posted the laws and conventions on torture. Read them, then you’ll know what the law was and is.
Note that Ronald Reagan signed the UN convention on torture and made a firm statement against the use of torture.
You can google this all for yourself.
Furthermore it has been posted on numerous other posts before. Those who have their minds made up (hardening of the heart) choose to ignor the truth.

spiffdeb:”I think the same discussion would/should be happening if the current speaker was republican. Don’t you? ”
At the time of the briefings, the speaker WAS a Republican (Hastert). Where is his statement for the record?
And there was no indignation when the Republicans launched their attack on Clinton’s Monica Missiles, implicitly accusing the CIA of lying to provide Clinton a context to distract from his ongoing impeachment.

Water boarding is not torture!! I know many of you want to hang onto this notion. Water boarding is a technique to simulate the act of drowning. Due to the position of the person being water boarded it is impossible to actually drown. This process is very similar to having a tazer on someone. It hurts like hell, but once the process of water boarding or tazing is stopped all pain and discomfort stops. Within seconds you return to the same physical state you were in prior to the techniques being used.
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How do I know this information, because I have endured both and many others in training while in the military.

AFineMess:”People keep deflecting the topic, which is Pelosi’s culpability and integrity. If it makes you feel better to point your finger at the Bush camp would you then agree to bring Pelosi up on charges if team-Bush were too? I doubt it. You’d find another reason to back her due to your bias.”
Amazing. You see no problem making Pelosi, who was the minority whip and then minority leader at the time, EQUALLY culpable as the administration who sanctioned and execute the torture program based on the he said/she said accusation that she was told about it? Talk about blind bias.

The former speaker of the house from Georgia in the 1990s as a short memory. He was trying to bring Clinton down while doing the same thing with a younger woman. He is a total hypocrite and reminds me of the archaic Dixiecrat’s in his philosophy. Not the segregation I’m sure he covers that up fairly well. At the downgrading of another political party or political purposes is idiotic.

try the truth.
You wouldn’t know the truth if it hit you in the head with a 2by4. You and others who are repeating the media’s distortion of what happened and is happening in our country is typical of their liberal education. In the past it was called indoctrination. I would venture to guess half of the posters on this sited were young children at the start of the Gulf War that was ended by a cease fire. If you all think that President Bush invaded Iraq unlawfully you are mistaken. Saddam Hussein did not comply with the cease fire conditions. The repeating of innuendos and misrepresenting what happened does not mean it is the truth.

Ron, I’m not sure you know the difference between a fact and an opinion.
FACTS: By definition these are statements and events that can be proved or disproved.
OPINION: By definition these cannot be proved or disproved.
Saying that torture is illegal can be proved or disproved by looking up the laws and conventions.
Saying that Obama has a socialist agenda is an opinion. Calling Pelosi a liar on this issue is an opinion because there is nothing but hearsay to prove otherwise.
If you are going to say that something is a fact, then you must be able to prove it. If you cannot prove it then it is opinion.

Live Free or Die – when you start out the way you did says more about what your lacking than I. That said, there is nothing retroactive when it was already illegal to torture! Your the one changing the facts. And if in your world Nancy is as guilty as the lawyer, what about Bush and Cheney who requested and rubber stamped it?
————-Ron – I’ve been posting facts, links and statements that can be verified. You are spouting ignorance and hysteria. Your not worth replying to, do to your irrational statements. I was waiting for the “birth certificate” idiocy. It has been already been shown to be untrue, numerous times! Take your head out of your butt and get some fresh air!
Ok, gotta go, have things to do! Have a good day all!

Posted by: tychisum
“They Didn’t brief her about their plans to Torture.”
This is the problem, a person is a making an absolute statements, like the one above with ZERO first hand knowledge. Unless and they live and breath in Washington and Pelosi’s office, this person just shows blind support and calls everyone else liars….hmmmm, sound familiar.

Live Free or Die and gator, I hope you listen to what you said. You just condemned your own words.
I’d say you’ve been brainwashed to believe that invading Iraq was necessary. Now that’s an opinion because it can neither be proved nor disproved.
But the issue here is torture and what was contained in the briefings and Newt Gingrich’s opinions about Nancy Pelosi.
FACT: torture is illegal.
OPINION: If the one many of us call “the way, the truth, and the life” told you that waterboarding is torture and therefore illegal, you would reject it and want to crucify him because you have been brainwashed to believe that it’s okay because it’s being done to “protect us”.

Have you noticed that LIBERAL and LIBERTY have the same root? I conclude that if you are against liberal ideas you must be against liberty.
“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, with LIBERTY and justice for all.”

Speaker Gingrich states “It is illegal to lie to Congress.” Why is it not illegal for Congress to lie to the American People? (Ex. Social Security will be there for you when you retire). It is past time to clean House (and Sen ate).

George,
You continue to call it an invasion it was a continuation of the Gulf War. The UN and other countries supported the Gulf War because Saddam had invaded Kuwait.
Democrats always support and defend those in their party no matter what they have done. President Clinton lied to a grand jury and the liberals defended him and continue to do so to this day. So much for standing up for truth.
If you bring in the one we call “the Way and the Truth and the Life”, how can you defend those who support killing unborn children and are indignant about waterboarding.

Newt should do the nation a favor and shut up. He had his chance. He shot his wad. Time for him to fade into the background………ala Bob Dole.
Newt is a has been. Time for him to give it a rest. It’s rather sad to see burned out folks struggling to stay important. Say good night, Gracie………I mean Newt.

As someone who despises both democrats and republicans, I can only shake my head in awe. Pelosi’s defense is the CIA lied to me? She has come up with SEVEN versions of her story – why not tell the ‘truth’ to begin with? And all you pro-left types posting here say is: Bush, Cheney and Newt are nogoodniks so what Nancy did was OK! BULLPOOP! A lie is a lie NO MATTER WHO SAID IT! The woman IS a disgrace – I dont care how many woman that Newt slept with while married, were talking the safety of our nation here – Pelosi needs to go!

The fact that democrats are not asking her to step down reinforces the fact the left hates this country and will do anything for power. A 2 year old could tell you she needs to go after watching her news conference. (And I use the word “NEWS” loosely.)

Heya Gator,
Those are the only tactics they have. Their hero has taken away any bragging about anything he has done, because it’s all bad for everyone. They seem to think they will escape the deliterious effects of his “bounce off the wall” policies and dictums. I wonder when it will sink in to them? They have to support leaders(??) such as Clinton, Frank, Dodd, Reid, Pelosi, et.al. because “That’s all they have.”
It gives one an insight as to exactly why they are so angry all the time. Anyone who, or who supports anyone who, is an advocate of partial birth abortion (or its real term “infanticide”) or its twin abomination “allowing a child who managed to survive an abortion to die due to no medical intervention” (manslaughter) must have tremendous conflicts haunting them.
You can present these misguided unfortunants with fact after fact (Gulf War, etc.) but you are wasting your time. It does not fit into their template. But I suppose we must continue trying……
Ta-Ta

All this brouhaha over Pelosi is only to obscure the facvtr that waterboard torture was used…NOT to protect American lives,,, But to show a false link between al Qaeda and Saddam…for political purposes, which by Bush’s own standartds was indefensible. Bush’s only ddefense to using torture was to protect American lives, but it was not used to that purpose. Waterboarding was used for political purpose. Defend that if you can.

Many Dems also agree with Newt on this one. Obama probably would wish Pelosi into the cornfield if he could.

Dems: I know you just LURVE Obama, he’s the sun, the moon, and the stars to you. But how can you defend Pelosi??

Let’s stop using the word “torture” to describe harsh questioning.
Have you undergone any of these techniques? I have, as did every member of my flight crew, in the Navy’s SERE (Survival Evasion Resistance Escape) school. The only one I personally did not experience was the waterboarding (thanks goodness) but some of our class did. No, it was not a fun week, but no one came out of it injured or mentally scarred for life.
And yes, some of the harsher techniques (such as waterboarding) could be quite persuasive. But let’s not confuse the relatively benign methods our people use with real torture, as was practiced by the Viet Cong or by Saddam Hussein and his sons, and as is still being carried out in various despotic regimes around the world.
Even so, our people have used remarkable restraint in our treatment of detainees. They obviously recognized that waterboarding was serious business, since it was used on only three individuals. Curious, isn’t it, that the Obama administration refuses to release any documents that would indicate what the effectiveness was. Are they afraid that a large majority of Americans would think it was well worth it to put pressure on terrorists?
And let’s not quibble about the Geneva Conventions and Constitutional rights for these people. As non-uniformed combatants who have targeted civilians and attacked from behind civilian cover, they are not covered by the Geneva Convention, except to note that their actions constitute war crimes. And since they are not US citizens, and are not being held on US soil, the only legal rights they have are those which our Supreme Court has magnanimously granted them. Thie arguments against “enhanced interrogation” are all matters of ethics and comfort level, which are inherently subjective. Attempts to argue against the legality are nothing but political theater.
It’s pretty presumptuous of you to look back with 20-20 hindsight and judge the decisions of people, privy to information you don’t have, who were simply doing their level best to ensure the safety of the United States, and yet still exercised a helluva lot more restraint than any of our enemies would have (or ever have in the past.)
Pelosi DID have the information, and was all in favor of harsh interrogation while it was politically expedient for her to appear so. For her to backtrack now, and to slander devoted and patriotic public servants as part of an attempt to cover her slimy trail, is beneath contempt.

George–what do you call Obama’s agenda–just government control over everything? Robin Hood and the Merry Thieves? or simply “spreading the wealth to lazy people”?

p3orion,
That was very well put, now watch what happens.

Until its proven that she falsified her knowledge, there is no need for her to step down…
Innocent until proven guilty… or did we throw that out the window?
I am no fan of Pelosi, but right now its only he said, she said and thats not enough to oust a person from their position.
Someone is not telling the truth…. but until its proven who it was… no one should lose their job.

pelosi needs to go. It is one thing as a congresswoman to get away from using such harsh words as Lie – but as third in line for the Presidency and to be able to pull the legislature together and be a leader who is losing respect on both sides of the aisle – she cannot and does not now get that respect. The Speaker must be a statesman (woman) and refrain from such disgusting behavior.

Sawyer is an awful interviewer…her biases are so obvious.
Her dismissive bearing is too much to watch

It’s very interesting to see the Liberals on this board attacking Newt Gingrich rather than considering the substance of what he’s saying. It’s clear that political discourse for many has regressed to the point where they are ‘rooting for their team’ rather than actually examining what their team is doing- sort of like rooting for a sports team and actually being happy that they got away with cheating because they won the game- the only difference is the sports team won’t take away your freedom. It’s become obvious that there are many people posting on this message board who don’t care what Pelosi, Obama, etc. do to them, as long as their side wins- their immediate reaction was to attack Gingrich, with no discussion whatsoever about what Pelosi has done. Be careful- the sheep that you think you’ve been looking at is actually your reflection.

Apparently every Republican who thinks government-endorsed torture in the name of national security is “no big deal” has forgotten that the government has labeled many of them as domestic security threats. Please think on that for a minute.
All these people down in Guantanamo are in the same boat: labeled a certain way by our government. That’s not to say there aren’t actually terrorists being held there, but we can’t ignore the hundreds who have already been released without charge.
If you’re all waterboarded, will you take it like men since it’s in the name of national security? Will you consider it your patriotic duty to be punished the same way folks did in ’1984?’ Are you loyal to this county’s ideals or are you loyal to the government?
I ask this in all seriousness, as I am also considered a “right-wing extremist” by the government. But since I don’t support torture or an intrusive government, I guess I’m not welcome in the Republican Party anymore.

Libs are an incredible group as a whole. They continue to try to re-write history. Yes, Newt had an affair; no crime. Yes, Clinton had lots and lots of affairs; no crime. Clinton was not impeached because of his numerous affairs; his lack of morals; his lying to the Country. He was impeached, and properly so, for undeniably committing perjury; a crime. Newt’s Contract for America was flawless.

I wish someone would finally correct the record on Clinton….he lied in court…this is purjury, which is a felony, it is illegal for the president in this country to be a felon. So gingrich did what he was required to do…which is impeach the felon. It had nothing to do with sex, but the Demo spin doctors mounted a massive campaighn to make it about sex…
Clinton should have been impeached and should have been forced out of office in shame!

Diane Sawyer is an absolute moron, the quote she had cherry picked from Hoekstra’s letter is out of context and is not a blatent acusation…Pelosi specifically & directly accused the CIA of lying to congress on a regular basis. Hoestra was commenting on one sepcific incident & more importantly HE WAS NOT SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE….she is. She goes. Diane Sawyer is a tool of the democrat party, no more no less, no cred.

Gator, on April 6, 1991, President Bush declared a cease fire, Kuwait had been liberated, the cease fire was negotiated and signed. On June 8, 1991 there was a Victory Parade in Washington.
12 years later George W. Bush ordered the invasion of Iraq. This had nothing to do with the invasion of Kuwait, therefore it is a different case—new war.

So if waterbaording is SO effective, why was it “needed” 83 times in a month on one person and 266 times on two people? And how was the “truthful” admissions separated from the “false” ones? Any false intel obtained would overwhelm any truth by leading to wild goose chases. The only thing they wanted was the one “admission” that Saddam and alQaeda were in cahoots. Once that was obtained, the mission as accomplished. Is this any different from what Iran or the Ruskies do and we can see as corupt justice…and condemn so thoroughly?

Time for Nancy to step down as speaker, PERIOD.

Joes – FYI the reporter said lying, Nancy said misled. She didn’t “specifically & directly” accuse the CIA of lying. Still wondering why no out rage at Pres. Bush lying on 11/7/05 in Panama City? Say what you want about waterboarding, it’s torture, how many of you could stand it? Hannity said he’d do it for charity, still hasn’t happened. Jesse V got him on that one, did you guys see that interview? An ex navy seal and as I state before, John McCain, and ex POW says it’s torture. Yet none of you even let that phase you. Stop the Rush talking points and imagine if it was your son or daughter, oops forgot the Repubs not as a whole, but still don’t allow their children to enter the military if it means they actually may see battle. Take care, your talking to a woman who’s boyfriend served. He is missing 3 of his 5 fingers, he was tortured. He was a graphic artist. He served his country. When Abu came out, thats when he lost his fingers. Wake the heck up!

The Contract with America was designed to “overthrow” the President. The Republicans were not happy that George H. W. Bush had lost the election and decided to investigate the newly elected president and his wife adnauseum in an attempt to discredit them. When nothing seemed to stick, up popped the Lewinsky affair and that gave them a hook to bring him down.
Had the Republicans actually had the national interest at heart all along, the earlier investigations would have ceased when it was determined there was nothing to them.
They kept looking instead of governing, found it, milked it for all it was worth. To bad Bill Clinton gave them something. Yes, he lied. Can we go on?

Give me a break. Calling what was done to a few detainees torture is laughable when you consider they wouldn’t think twice about sawing off their own daughters head for talking to the boy next door un-escorted.
Lucky for us, announcing the methods used against a few detainees have likely caused the death of many would-be terrorists as they go through their training camps. You can be sure those camps now include the very techniques we used to be able to use against them.

Bobo – No, you are by not sighting any facts or links. I’ve posted them, you?

Pelosi’s resignation is long past due…She is a disgrace and has no clue..She out and out lied about what she knew about torture, but they keep on letting her lie.

Hey why is everybody getting on Newt? If anybody knows when it’s time to step down as speaker, he does.

…please remind us what Peolosi’s qualifications are? Might want to do a DNA-reference check on Pelosi and Goebbels, they both have the spin-gene.

Newt is correct on this one, but he has disqualified himself as a conservative leader. When he trashed Rush Limbaugh, he lost my support. When an apology comes from Newt, I may reconsider. Now he is only a smarmy wannabe.

p3orion- Stop Cherry picking the Geneva Convention! Read the all of it! We declared war on Terror! If you label one a terrorist and capture them under that guise… oh, dear forgot, I understand it, remember, your part of the party that doesn’t LIKE education. I have a good one! So in your world, one can be held without proof of wrong doing or intention, without legal counsel. That is not what our country was founded on! You do realize that could be used against you. In the Bush Admin. you were unpatriotic if you disagreed with the Pres. one could be labeled an enemy combatant, with NO PROOF! I’ve read it, I know. So technically all of you on here, who say the these things about our Pres. could be labeled as such and taken away. One could only hope!

This is not about honesty or integrity, except for the fact that neither of thos character traits can be found in MS. Pelosi. This is about her crippled ability to lead a nation that will not follow her as a leader given her remarks. Censure is in order here.

srcamachonj – Yes Bush did lie, he said we do not torture, read my above post and it’s been considered torture what they did since 1948! Do some research!
* So then by your logic other people should be brought up on charges of torture since the same “harsh interrogation” techniques are USED ON OUR OWN people first?!

Speaker Pelosi is a ture american hero!! Not only is she the first woman speaker of the house, but she is smart brilliant, and beautiful. the only one in congress with a higher IQ than her is President Obama. we need to keep our smart persons in the congress!!!

Originalist- May we try it on you so you know what it is like to feel like your being drowned? Are you saying Jesse Ventura, ex navy seal and John McCain are lying when they say it is torture? While the death of Daniel Pearl, who for some reason you all point at (talking points?) was awful. Because they do it, makes it right for us? Have you checked to see how many detainees are missing? Most likely not, what happened to them? Maybe dead from water torture? By the way that wasn’t the only means they used, do some research. Oh, that’s right , party of no education. Sorry, my bad! (sarcasm intended!)

Femjoy: You should really go back on your meds. I’m no fan of W, but I find the thought that Pelosi – a brainless, vain, power-hungry incompetent is in a position of power to be scary indeed. She – or her advisors – has mis-handled this situation, and she comes off looking like a dolt. NOT good for the country or the democratic party. She needs to step back – and quickly.

Look who’s talking? Gingrich is the formerly disgraced house majority leader who had to step down from his leadership post because he was screwing his aide while majority leader. His extremist views is what made his republican party turn quickly into a minority party. Your time has come and gone Mr. Gingrich. Whether you like it or not the elected house majority leader Nancy Pelosi is not subservient to the CIA. The question is who are the primary suspects? Who designed it? Who ordered it. This is why we need an independent council. Neither party nor the president could do so objectively. The A.G. must appoint someone that both side respects. We are a democracy. Gingrich is a bomb thrower, a political terrorist. The republicants are now doubling down on fear and division. You have no plan for America but to oppose, accuse and slander the democrats. I rebuke you and all that you stand for Mr. Gingrich!

[Originalist- May we try it on you so you know what it is like to feel like your being drowned? Are you saying Jesse Ventura, ex navy seal and John McCain are lying when they say it is torture? While the death of Daniel Pearl, who for some reason you all point at (talking points?) was awful. Because they do it, makes it right for us? Have you checked to see how many detainees are missing? Most likely not, what happened to them? Maybe dead from water torture? By the way that wasn't the only means they used, do some research. Oh, that's right , party of no education. Sorry, my bad! (sarcasm intended!)]
In response – Yes, I have been waterboarded as part of my SERE training. It wasn’t pleasant, but didn’t leave any lasting harm.
I am aware of the other minor techniques that were used; again, nothing that I haven’t encountered in SERE training. It is you libs who have latched on to the waterboarding, thus the reason it is addressed.
Since you know so much, what are the numbers missing? You, nor anyone can point to anything that shows people missing. This is a pointless argument that you bring up to infer guilt. Show some proof about anyone missing (real proof, not some BS organization or individual saying his friend disappeared).
It is obvious that I am the intelligent one, because I do not fall for some BS yellow journalism story. I check the real facts. Anyone can make stuff up and post it on the internet, that doesn’t make it the truth.

Bye Bye Nancy – the country deserves better.

Finally a voice of reason. Newt 2012!

Originalist – How about you look them up! Go thru the comments, I have been posting facts, figures, and links which all of you (Repubs) have ignored. I don’t think some of you, maybe not you, but other (Repub) posters would pass a 3rd grade comprehension test! Here is my question. Are Jesse V. and John McCain lying? They both say it’s torture. Are they lying? I almost drowned as a child, I will never forget that. You have had it done in a controlled and lets not kill one of our own arena.
Obvious your the intelligent one? If that makes your night go for it! I had my masters by 22! Was raised Repub, did the research found the lies, with a boyfriend that was tortured after the pics from Abu came out. Don’t talk to me. You have no clue! Question, where did you serve? Or did Daddy and Mommy have enough pull to keep you stateside, Bush junior?

No Democrat ever does. No honor and no integrity. It’s all about the power and holding onto it. Cowards they are.

Porkchop- And still not one fact, just your biased vitriol! You know what that means, right? If not use Webster’s tired of teaching the unteachable! Yes, the tax cut, smaller gov’t. worked so well! Gov’t grew bigger under Bush as did the deficet. Say what you may about Obama, he’s attempting to get us out of the mess YOUR GUYS created! But you won’t see that, your too busy being rude and obnoxious with nothing to back you up! Now, I have to go and interview my 3rd possible employee. You? Oh, that’s right just an angry repub that doesn’t want anyone else to succeed because you, yourself can’t! Sad!

Way to go Originalist!!!!
Winner by unanimous decision!!!
Go home “try the truth” you have been pwned!

What’s scarier than Pelosi being 2nd in line is know that Biden is 1st!

Oh, Sith430. Also, Clinton was the first President sued for sexual harrassment. The questions about sex with subordinates is mandatory in such a case.

People, don’t you think it’s time for another party to be established. The two knuckleheads (repubs and dems)both seem inept and self serving. Remember, it’s congress that created the financial crises along with those greedy wallstreet bankers. Does anyone realize that last year the people in congress got richer when the rest of the country suffers. It’s time for a change alright. Time to throw all those bums out.

Why does it take 266 waterboardings on 2 detainees in a month to get or force the desired? statements? Just a question. How about a straight answer, if y’all are capable.

Originalist:
You, like most people, seem to believe the fact that these people are in custody means they must be guilty. Yet hundreds of detainees have been released without charge because they were simply unlucky people handed over to us by Afghan bounty hunters in exchange for money. On top of that, hundreds of detainees have in fact died while in U.S. custody, and many of the deaths have resulted in charges against the interrogators.
The people charged often argue that “classified military information” was withheld from the court, information which could have proved them justified in their harsh interrogations. It is withheld because it would implicate the higher-ups in the military and intelligence communities.
“Enhanced interrogation techniques” is a euphemism for “torture that leaves no physical evidence.” That we inflict it upon some of our own soldiers is not something of which we should be proud. We charged Japanese soldiers during WWII with war crimes for, among other things, waterboarding our prisoners of war.
The SERE program itself was designed to help our captured soldiers withstand the barbaric interrogation methods of communists during the Korean War and after, and the Office of Legal Counsel under President Bush acknowledged that the CIA’s interrogation techniques came directly from the SERE program.
When we use those same methods on prisoners in our custody, we render ourselves no better than the monsters who tortured our men over fifty years ago.

“I get a laugh out of Democrats who, instead of trying to defend Pelosi — an impossible task — they prefer to attack Bush.”
That’s because Bush is the Torturer. If you didn’t know it, you’d think that Pelosi was the one who had some in the Justice Department rewrite the laws on torture. Nice subterfuge my flailing Republican friends, but the core remains the same….THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION AUTHORIZED TORTURE. If they hadn’t done that, Pelosi’s name wouldn’t be mentioned now.

“We charged Japanese soldiers during WWII with war crimes for, AMONG OTHER THINGS, waterboarding our prisoners of war.” — posted by gb8898
Correct, GB, waterboarding was among other things. NO ONE was charged for conducting the simple type of waterboarding as practiced in the SERE program or by the CIA. The waterboarding for which some Japanese officers were indicted was a bit different.
Some prisoners were waterboarded until they drowned. Others died of water intoxication after having gallons of water forced down their throats. Still others were forced to drink water and then their abdomens were jumped on until their bowels burst. Medical personnel were not in attendance as with the Gunatanamo interrogations, for the simple fact that the Japanese didn’t care if the prisoners died.
These are quite different things from what our people have done; only those who don’t care are confused by the fact that the procedures share the same name.

I guess one of the underlying questions that needs to be answered is does anyone care that terrorists were tortured? HELL NO! give me a shovel, a water board, whatever. I would torture the crap out of these pieces of dung in a heartbeat if it meant keeping America safe. I could CARE LESS if Bush and Cheney knew about this so called torture. And if you dumb ass libs care so much then you should totally be for getting rid of Pelosi because just looking at her face is a form or torture!

Fascism is alive and well in the democrat party. Don’t expect them to kick out Pelosi. After all, they still have KKK member Robert Byrd as one of their senators.

trythetruth, if you really want to do as your namesake implies, ask yourself why all the other dems on that committee are not coming out to defend Pelosi. Perhaps it is political, but then the whole thing is political isn’t it. The dems want to punish Bush and Cheney because they hate them for whatever reasons. I do not want to see anyone prosecuted or punished, however, if we are going to do it, thyen we must include those that were aware and said nothing until it was politically expedient for them to speak up. Honestly those people are even more despicable than the ones thought to be perping the crimes. So Pelosi is lying in order to perpetuate the myth that dems were in the dark. BS, they knew just like everyone else but they were just as complacent as the repubs. Let’s move on. You leave Bush and Cheney alone and we leave your liars and cheaters alone.

CIA Director Leon Panetta maintains that she was fully and accurately briefed!
Why is he saying that she was fully briefed? Panetta has no allegiances to the previous administration.

Mike_C – Your right, and that needs to be investigated. But, why all the vitriol on what Nancy knew? You say she lied, so did Pres. Bush! He stood there and said “we do not torture” Not one of you has been able to give a reason why she is more responsible than our ex leader! He lied to the American public and the world and ordered an illegal act, both domestically and internationally. (I already posted the laws for both, he broke them) Why no out rage with him and Cheney?

can someone please wake up????
Tourture of terrorists? So?
Pelosi? Like she will be voted out of her district in San Fran…
In fact, Americans don’t even know what congress does. They keep blaming Bush, and now Obama etc… when the country’s undoing has been directly through congress. they are the ones wanting to get re-electd without making the tough choices need to continue the country’s former greatness.
We need mandatory turnover in congress!

Good grief people… folks are so blinkered by ideology that they can delude themselves from believing simple fact.
1) Valerie Plame was NOT ‘outted’. She was not an undercover agent. And if she was concerned about her ‘cover’, then her husband shouldn’t have been writing NYT Op-Ed pieces (in which he lied) about his CIA-sponsored trip. There was no crime involved, just a crass political attempt to undermine a critic (Mr. Wilson) by pointing out that that critic was, in fact, lying in the pages of the NYT – that is, of course, until Scooter Libby obfuscated during the investigation, making the only crime perjury, which itself is dumb, because there should have been no investigation in the first place. The next time some lib brings this up, I am going to puke. I’ve been watching the revisionist history/total disregard for fact in the coverage (and now conventional wisdom) over this affair, and it is simply disgusting.
2) ‘Torture’ is a legal term, carrying specific meaning. Waterboarding is NOT torture under the law- and Congress has had ample opportunity to define it as such. It may be morally reprehensible, for which I agree, but it is NOT torture under the law. Hence- Bush did NOT lie when he said we weren’t torturing. Like with Scooter Libby, there was no crime here- UNTIL Madam Pelosi lied about it, accused the CIA of lying to her, and now there IS a problem here. The problem, though, is that we now know that Ms. Pelosi’s seemingly high moral stance, was actually disgustingly craven political opportunism- and you want to talk about politicizing national security, well, there you go…

Colby A- First off waterboarding is torture, please link your source that says it is not besides faux news. Also, that is not the only method they used, you know that right? If not look that up! How did Nancy Pelosi saying she wasn’t told, which hasn’t been proven yet to be a lie a crime? She didn’t say it under oath? Are there new laws I don’t know about? As for facts I’m tired of posting them, they are ignored. As far as I’m concerned there needs to a full fact finding. It needs to include Nancy, Pres. Bush, Cheney and others. But for some reason people on here only want Nancy investigated? Why? Oh, that would be because she didn’t break the law and they did! Not only my opinion but legal scholars and many around the world!

As far as all the BS of “lying” goes, please people grow up already. EVERY president has lied to the people. There are ALWAYS national security issues that are denied and lied about. We can go back and start asking what Clinton REALLY knew about Bin Laden, why didn’t his administration kill or capture him….etc. Do you think Eisenhower was honest with the public about intelligence issues of the day when questions were asked? Do you think he told the truth about our capabilites to ALL our allies of the day ? Please stop trying live in your dopey Utopia where we are the ones on the hill in white robes who never do anything outside our high moral standing. It is not real & it never has been, no matter what political party was in power.
When Obama leaves office, do you people really want the opposition to sit there and demnd investigations and trials for any controversial decisions he makes?

Remarkable how many of the commenters who hate Gingrich completely fail to address THE ISSUE. Can you legitimately have someone who demonstrably lies about our intelligence agencies by second in line for the Presidency? This is not about Gingrich or Bush or Cheney or any of the other people that the Democrats love to have their “1984″ style 15 minutes of hate. It is about whether Pelosi is qualified to assume the Presidency as she is Constitutionally second in line to do.

Mike_C – some on this board are already demanding investigations of Pres. Obama, where have you been? Also, 3 finger, how dare you make light of his plight! He was an artist! Oh, and don’t pull out the 9/11 families. 2 cousins in the towers, alot of friends and a childhood friend that was a fireman! I’ve buried more dead from that day than you will ever know! As for my BF, he fought for his country because he loves it and believed we are the ones many aspire to be. He is a man of honor. He was tortured, he saw no honor in his torturers, he doesn’t see it in those that ordered it here either. They are no better.

newt needs to shut up and go back to cheating on his wives.

pelosi has broken no laws. she has done nothing wrong. and evidently the record keeping of the cia leaves a lot to be desired. reports are coming in from all sorts of people in congress that the cia records do not match what really happened.

Waterboarding is not torture. It is an effective interrogation technique.
Or perhaps U.S. military students at Navy S.E.R.E. school (and probably AF S.E.R.E.) have been tortured by staff for decades.
Maybe ‘try the truth’ should link a source where Nancy reveals that Americans are being “tortured” in a military training school.

Rick- YOU STATED FACTS! Oh, dear…I can even find the links to support what your saying. Be ready for the name calling! That’s all they know! :)

None of this would be happening if Speaker Pelosi hadn’t been pushing to investigate the previous administration. If history repeats itself mistakes will be made in the future. We could probably spend 75% of our time investigating wrongdoing in our government. In the past democrats and republicans worked to solve problems not play the gotcha game. I have been registered as a democrat, republican and independent. I vote today as an independent who views both parties as being too partisan. I don’t like people citing the UN or International law because both entities stand by and let events like Darfur happen without any response. What happened to the UN workers who were raping children? You don’t hear about that in our media. They let the Oil for Food program become a vehicle for fraud and corruption. Enough for today.

Try the truth-
I’m happy to address the legal question of whether waterboarding is or is not ‘torture’ under the law. But before I do that, one of your subsequent questions indicates that you don’t seem to understand the distinction between morally reprehensible behavior, and what is legally considered torture – the question is whether waterboarding is, under law, torture, not what we personally think of it (and again, I find it reprehensible). As such, your observation that:
“For all of you saying waterboarding is not torture, I guess John McCain a POW that was tortured is lying then? They have medical personnel standing by because oh, ones heart can stop… But in your world thats not torture so maybe we should try it on you!”
is COMPLETELY irrelevant. We’re not talking about whether it SHOULD be legally considered torture, but whether it legally IS torture. That would seem to be an important distinction, when you’re point is that Bush ‘lied’ because he said we weren’t torturing people. Since waterboarding is NOT legally torture, the litany of terrible consequences you mentioned is, again, irrelevant.
As for sourcing the supposition that waterboarding is NOT torture, I will decline spending the time writing a full legal brief on this important subject, and merely point out that the US statutes relating to torture are silent on waterboarding. Moreover, I would point out that, as confirmed by the current AG in a recent 6th circuit filing, torture is a specific intent crime, for which waterboarding clearly falls short.
Bobj72- What is legal or illegal is, apparently unbeknownst to you and many liberal legal ‘experts’, a subject of AMERICAN jurisprudence. What the rest of the world thinks on the subject is irrelevant, unless we in the US have ratified such foreign laws (as with the Geneva Convention, which also doesn’t consider waterboarding torture).
And Truth- I was very careful not to accuse Pelosi of a crime- rather, I stated that there was now a “problem” as far as she was concerned. Of course, I do believe that, if the AG office so desired (ie if she were a Republican) some way would be found of defining her statements as a crime, but that is a different matter…
Anything else I can help you with?
To summarize, I’ll try to simplify since logical, coherent thought seems difficult for libs at times:
1) Waterboarding is bad
2) Torture is illegal
3) Waterboarding is not torture
4) So, waterboarding is not illegal
5) So, Bush did not lie when he said we were not torturing
6) Pelosi knew we were waterboarding but pretended she didn’t
7) Pelosi is a craven scum, disguising crass political opportunism beneath taking high-minded moral positions
8) The entire Valerie Plame affair was ridiculous, and everything you think you know about it is wrong.
Finally- I’m opening the floor- please tell me one instance, one at all, where President Bush actually lied. One. Please. I’m so damned sick of hearing “Bush Lied” that I’m dying to hear of one actual instance.

MST asked “Why does it take 266 waterboardings on 2 detainees in a month to get or force the desired? statements? Just a question. How about a straight answer, if y’all are capable.”
Because the interregators were not allowed to torture the terrorists, which could have gotten answers a lot quicker. They had to settle on waterboarding because it is NOT torture.

Arsii- just to back you up- these terrorists are well-trained in torture. They’ve even got handbooks, that go into detail on how to rip people’s eyeballs out, rip off fingernails, etc.
You are right- waterboarding is NOT torture, specifically because it does NOT cause lasting physical harm- and the terrorists know that from their extensive education on REAL torture, like cutting off heads…

Colby – that was breathtaking. Bravo.

Is it wise to have a Speaker who is so easily misled?

Don- If Pelosi is lying which HASN’T been proven, gee the CIA doesn’t have the notes she requested be made public, she should step down. Either way, she didn’t nothing illegal. Plain and simple. But the ones who ordered this should be held accountable also, Pres. Bush and VP Cheney, lied, “we do not torture” and ordered what is against the US law and International law. I already posted it, so don’t ask go look! Also, because we attempted to change the meaning of the laws without once again including other counties who made this agreement, doesn’t make it rigt!

Pelosi is the Republicans best friend as was Gingrich the Democrats best friend. He resigned and she should asap.
She has lost what little credibility she had. She is an anchor around the Dems neck.

Newt, I am a strong supporter of yours, and believe that you should be President. However, you did make a comment in the article that didn’t make sense to me. You stated that being only second in line to the Presidency, she should excuse herself from being speaker if she doesn’t believe in the men and women protecting America. Why not, the number one person, Barack Obama, does not believe in the men and women protecting this Country, why should Pelosi? Keep up the good work Newt!!

Try the Truth – Quit yelling! I was asking questions, and not accusing anyone of anything. And you addressed me but didn’t answer my questions. If everything you say about President Bush is true, WHAT was his motive? Why only 3 people?

An article about waterboarding appeared in the Washington Post on Sunday, November 04, 2007. The writer, Evan Wallach, includes the following:
“Here’s the testimony of two Americans imprisoned by the Japanese:
‘They would lash me to a stretcher then prop me up against a table with my head down. They would then pour about two gallons of water from a pitcher into my nose and mouth until I lost consciousness.’
“And from the second prisoner: ‘They laid me out on a stretcher and strapped me on. The stretcher was then stood on end with my head almost touching the floor and my feet in the air. . . . They then began pouring water over my face and at times it was almost impossible for me to breathe without sucking in water.’
“As a result of such accounts, a number of Japanese prison-camp officers and guards were convicted of torture that clearly violated the laws of war. They were not the only defendants convicted in such cases. As far back as the U.S. occupation of the Philippines after the 1898 Spanish-American War, U.S. soldiers were court-martialed for using the “water cure” to question Filipino guerrillas.”
So is waterboarding torture? Is it illegal? It appears so.

An article about waterboarding appeared in the Washington Post on Sunday, November 04, 2007. The writer, Evan Wallach, includes the following:
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listen here “George” americans do not use the Japanese form of waterboarding which is much more cruel and excessive. are you not paying attention?

One thing I noticed today. At about 10:00 this morning this discussion turned noticeably sour. I left to go to work, came home and for the most part, it still is. Wonder why?

Read “The Great Explosion” by Eric Frank Russell.
There is no honor among career politicians. Fire them all.

Off with her head.

Pelosi is an embarassment to every U.S. citizen. She is obviously lying. It makes no difference what Bush did or didn’t do. This is about Pelosi and lying and lying to cover up the previous lie. They’re really all corrupt, Dems. and Reps. So stop trying to defend either side and start realizing we need to get rid of all of them. Vote them all out. Term Limits by us.

Reading these comments I am amazed to see the statements such as “pot calling kettle black”. He(pot)was ousted was isn’t the Pelosi (kettle)? I find it interesting that only GOP offenders are the ones ousted but not the Dems who you all are saying are doing the same things “pot calling the kettle black”. I say if it is good for the pot it is good for the kettle.

Who appointed George Tenet? Oh that’s right, Bill Clinton

NO DEMS are asking for her to step down?Hmmmm that’s odd..I always thought they were so fair, and believed in our country..What Nancy did is almost what Spy’s do, they give away US intelligence..and Nancy is putting a shadow over the CIA..
THIS has NOTHING to do with the BUSH Administration at all.. HE is out of office now, and Nancy and the dems will somehow some way find a reason to blame someone else for their own IGNORANCE.. While she is being replaced…maybe we could find a replacement for Biden as well..He might as well be working for the enemy.. It doesnt matter if any Dem’s are asking for her to step down, IT is the CITIZENS of this Country who dont want an idiot liar like her to represent us anymore. We deserve someone intelligent in her place.

I think Newt is right about this one. He’s angling himself for a 2012 Presidential run, granted. However, he is right in calling for Speaker Pelosi to resign.

To all who immediately discount Gingrich because of his role in President Clinton’s impeachment: please, please, *please* remember that there is a legal and a moral issue to keep separate about the past. The President lied under oath. No matter that it was about an affair, and no matter that Gingrich himself was just as morally bankrupt; Article II of the Constitution simply demands that a president or vice-president “shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.” You can still debate whether lying under oath is a “high crime” or a “misdemeanor,” but the question is NOT whether an affair is a removable offense.
No one here wants to rehash the past, but you simply cannot discount what Gingrich is saying here because of his role in the impeachment. If he’s wrong, then he’s wrong. If he’s right, then he’s right.
It should be worrisome that Speaker Pelosi is second in line to helm our country, *especially* after the wiggling she’s doing to give a clear answer about what she did or didn’t know. “The CIA lied to me” is NOT going to cut it.

pelosi leading all the other America haters toward big democrat election losses in the future.

i notice that not 1 liberal can deal with the very important point that an elected politician stood up in fromt of the media and made a claim that our intelligence services, tasked with the mission to protect america, blatantly lied.
this is fundamentally wrong on so many levels it is impossible to list and explain them. not that most would understand. here are a few: pelosi is made out to be some grand, pure leader in other countries of the world thanks to her statements about bush. she helped push the perception about a lying president. the media ate it up and repeated it over and over, with no evidence. now she says the cia lies. that will be used to discredit the cia the world over also, thereby undermining our ability to gather intelligence. this plays right into the hands of our enemies.
it is very simple: if the cia did lie, there are other ways for congress, who has oversight, to deal with it.
a cornered politician, especially a high ranking one, caught with multiple stories, makes a comment that is meant to deflect attention and blame with no basis other than to save themselves is exceedingly dangerous.

NEWT-THE-NAFTA-MAKER. Still full of himself and will do so as long as people will give him a TV showing and a mic. He is one of the causes of 32 consecutive years of trade deficits – along with his friends, the “moderate” Republicans.

I agree Libs. It’s Bushes fault Pelosi lied to the country!

War crimes? The President’s responsibility is to protect the nation. Imagine, If a sitting Prez did not use every tool at his disposal to protect. What crimes of ommission would the Prez be guilty of if he allowed the sacrifice of an entire U.S. City? All of this anti-bush sentiment is actually a testament to the job he did. instead of worrying about your safety. you are secure and now free to spew your liberal agenda. Seriously we are talking about waterboarding while at the same time obama is directing attacks wiping out afghani and pakistani villages. How many terrorist does that create? No. waterboarding three people that a village never met is more enraging than the killing of a loved one. Is obama a war criminal…No he is protecting the U.S. All this other B.S. is political and not based on U.S. security interests

only half the country thinks socialism is better than capitalism.
The identity of america has been lost.
No more land of the free. it is the beginning of the great nanny state.

I live in Washington DC and have spoken with people who personally have met Nancy Pelosi. It is an open secret that she is a bit odd and not the sharpest tack in the box. What’s sad is that people take her seriously. Even sadder is that a major political party would give her a position of such prominence.

Now how long will she be able to serve. Oh that’s right, forever. Please, someone vote her out before she becomes worse than she already. Please. I don’t thank I can stand another year, month, or day watching her idiot smile. Bring back someone like Newt…please